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Speaker 1: Well three Super Bowl rings, a Super Bowl MVP, Fox

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Speaker 1: NFL kickoff every Sunday. He's in Boston right now. It's

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Speaker 1: Julian Edelman joining us here.

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Speaker 3: On a Thursday.

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Speaker 1: So I imagine being in being it's kind of like

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Speaker 1: your hometown. I know you're from the Midwest, but you

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Speaker 1: got your charities there. I imagine if you turn on

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Speaker 1: sports radio, Drake May is getting the love. I imagine

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Speaker 1: everybody in Boston is talking about Drake May.

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Speaker 3: What do you make of him so far?

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Speaker 4: I think he's been doing real well and he's definitely

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Speaker 4: the talk of town here in Boston. I mean, I

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Speaker 4: just went to breakfast, the guy over comes out, Oh,

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Speaker 4: Drake May, we're back.

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Speaker 3: We're back.

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Speaker 4: We have to be back, And the excitement is definitely

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Speaker 4: there and they should have it because I mean, he's

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Speaker 4: what he's throwing for ten touchdowns, he's top five and

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Speaker 4: passing yards, and he only had two interceptions. It's fumbled

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Speaker 4: the ball three times, which he fumbled ten times last year.

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Speaker 4: So he's getting better each week and they're winning ballgames.

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Speaker 4: So you know, I think this will be another good

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Speaker 4: test for them this week. And you know, I'm excited

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Speaker 4: just as much as everyone else because the better they are,

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Speaker 4: the more I get to talk.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, when whether it's Tiger Woods, Serena Williams,

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Speaker 1: your Dynasty, the Warriors with Durant, the Chiefs, I do

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Speaker 1: think and maybe football is different, maybe Belichick made it different,

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Speaker 1: but you know, when you're just humming in football, the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs right now feel like man the eye test. They're

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Speaker 1: getting Rashid Rice back. How do you stay self motivated

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Speaker 1: when you know we got a better coach, we got

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Speaker 1: a better quarterback, we got better schemes, we got better players.

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Speaker 3: Is it hard to be Kansas City? Was it hard?

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Speaker 1: Even though you mostly on Sunday have had the better

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I would say that the Chiefs are not

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Speaker 4: in that necessarily the category of we need to motivate.

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Speaker 4: I think they're in the category of we've been good

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Speaker 4: players a lah Toney in the middle of the line,

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Speaker 4: guys suspended like Rashi Rice, and they use this first

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Speaker 4: part of the season to really learn what they what

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Speaker 4: they're going to be this year, their identity, and it

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Speaker 4: took them a little more time because of the lack

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Speaker 4: and all that. So they're still learning their team now.

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Speaker 4: When you know it's week eleven and you're eight and

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Speaker 4: that that's when you have to start creating motivation. But

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Speaker 4: I don't think that's the category that these guys are in.

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Speaker 4: I think they're just trying to figure out what they're doing.

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Speaker 4: And the teams that really fall in love with the

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Speaker 4: process of improving each week are the teams that are

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Speaker 4: always there at the end. Because you've got to play

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Speaker 4: with the injury bug. You're gonna lose a couple of

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Speaker 4: guys in those first six seven weeks. Do you get

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Speaker 4: them back in the back end as long as the

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Speaker 4: team continues to improve each week, those are the teams

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Speaker 4: that succeed and That's what the Chiefs have done for

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Speaker 4: the last six seven years. They just continue to improve

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Speaker 4: their team, look at the things they're deficient at, try

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Speaker 4: to work on those scrap plays that they're not doing well,

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Speaker 4: bringing a couple of their drawn up plays that coach

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Speaker 4: Andy has them do on Friday after practice whatever, that

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Speaker 4: is just trying to learn their team and the league

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Speaker 4: better strap up because I think they're better than they

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Speaker 4: are last year at this point. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Same here.

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Speaker 1: The trade deadline a couple of weeks away. And my

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Speaker 1: I don't remember New England doing a ton of trade

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Speaker 1: You have this strong culture in New England. Hey, we're

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Speaker 1: going to bring in an outsider. What did you make

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Speaker 3: Did you like it?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I can't imagine busting my butt.

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Speaker 3: For years, all of a sudden, here comes a starter.

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Speaker 1: If you're a corner, can it affect chemistry on the team?

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Speaker 4: It can, But that's when you rely on your leadership.

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Speaker 4: I remember in twenty twelve we brought in a key

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Speaker 4: to lead during the trade deadline. Yeah, and because we

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Speaker 4: off that. The next year wins the AFC Championship and

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Speaker 4: But you know, I think that all comes back to

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Speaker 4: teams that are going to make these trades have the quarterback.

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Speaker 4: And if the quarterback's the guy in the locker room

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Speaker 4: that's the highest pig guy playing the best, everyone else

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Speaker 4: falls in line. So I'm all for bringing guys in,

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Speaker 4: especially if you have a great chemistry and in a

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Speaker 1: I remember Gronk one time going to the podium and

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Speaker 1: And then I watched Tua go to the microphone and

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Speaker 1: You wouldn't call out the coaching staff with Andy Reid.

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Speaker 1: You wouldn't do it, you know, with Mike Tomlin, and

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Speaker 3: I mean, what did you make of that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we never did that. If there was

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Speaker 4: talked about contracts. We never talked about drama. And we

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Speaker 4: to do it, because then it becomes a distraction to

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Speaker 4: the team. Now, I think the Dolphins are just fundamentally

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Speaker 4: designed this way. I mean, you got you bring it

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Speaker 4: when when stuff's hitting the fan, who's going to be

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Speaker 4: paid two after you know he's been he's been hurt

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Speaker 4: if there's a drama, you keep that in between your building,

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Speaker 4: this stuff with in Miami for the last however, long

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Speaker 1: You know, I would It's funny you hear these stories

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Speaker 1: about Brady and Brady was LFG. The difference is I

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Speaker 1: think he I think Brady had some Baker Mayfield in him.

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Speaker 3: But Tom was very measured.

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Speaker 1: When you go on EI radio or the podium, I

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Speaker 1: just think Tom hit it. I think he has some Baker,

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Speaker 1: he had Hootzpot, he could be at attitude. When I

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Speaker 1: just think Baker is not afraid to say it at

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Speaker 4: I love his personality because he's a dog. But the

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Speaker 4: reason why it's working right now is because he's performing.

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Speaker 4: And you know, when you can go out and show

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Speaker 4: it makes everyone on the team believe. I played on

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Speaker 4: a team where we thought we could win every week

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Speaker 4: because of our quarterback, and it seems like right now

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Speaker 4: Tampa they have such a belief in Baker, regardless if

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Speaker 4: They believe. And when they believe, the defense plays a

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Speaker 4: little better, the offense plays a little better, the special

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Speaker 4: teams plays a little better. Because it's a quarterback league

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Speaker 4: that's where the similarities are with Tom and Bake are

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Speaker 4: that everyone believes that they're the guy. If you believe

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Speaker 4: to believe. They're believing.

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Speaker 1: Finally, tonight we got too old forty year old quarterbacking

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Speaker 1: on Thursday night. Do you remember a game on Thursday

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Speaker 1: when you had a big Sunday. Let's say you had

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, here comes Thursday where you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, without a doubt, Thursdays your whole team key is,

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Speaker 4: let's just get out with a win. It's usually going

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Speaker 4: to be a fundamental week because there's no practice. Either

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Speaker 4: you're probably going to be in shells or you're going

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Speaker 4: to have accelerated walkthroughs. Everyone's trying to get their body

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Speaker 4: the best they possibly can. It'll be a real vanilla scheme,

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Speaker 4: you know, because you're going to run the best plays

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Speaker 4: be a Division game whenever it's a Thursday. I felt

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Speaker 4: gonna be that familiarity, there's gonna be that rivalry, but

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Speaker 4: it's whatever it takes to get to win, and Aaron

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Speaker 4: takes to win ball games, not put up huge numbers.

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Speaker 4: And I think he's doing a great job. And I

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Speaker 4: believe that they're gonna come in. I know they don't

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Speaker 4: do very well on the Pittsburgh Steelers don't do well

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Speaker 4: on Thursday nights on the road or whatever, But I

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Speaker 4: think this is a different year with Aaron. He seems

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Speaker 4: and you know, I know that they haven't played anyone

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Speaker 4: very special yet, but when you continue to collect wins,

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Speaker 1: Awesome, Thanks buddy, All right, guys, Julian Edelman, Yeah, Thursday

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Speaker 7: So what do you view as the marquee draw for

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Speaker 7: All right, let's start with a little quarterback. I don't

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Speaker 7: Colin in a revenge spot against the Eagles. I know

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Speaker 6: The paniclet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna stay away.

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Speaker 1: I mean I think Minnesota would at two and a half.

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Speaker 7: One more note on the vikings in McCarthy. So obviously

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Speaker 7: You know, he's played eight quarters in his NFL career

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Speaker 7: I think the Eagles eat him up here, and I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I think this is a big part

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Speaker 3: I think it's a big part of being a pro athlete.

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Speaker 7: All right, Let's move on to Mike Vrabel and the

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Speaker 7: Unbelievably, I had not seen this prior ten members of

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Speaker 6: That is incredible. Essentially, they were like, we don't trust

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 7: I know coaches leave all the time, and we see

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I think.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you go to the last three coaching

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Speaker 1: Every time I talk to a Patriot player, they will

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Speaker 1: I talked to Mike several times, we texted back and

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Speaker 3: He was rushless.

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Speaker 1: He wanted to coach, He really wanted to get back

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Speaker 7: Can I just say one quick thing when Brady and

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Speaker 7: I'm like, all right, you guys had your two decades.

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Speaker 6: We got next. We don't have We do not have next.

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Speaker 7: And the Jets have another coach who we don't know

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Speaker 3: Now, Jets for a mile from competency.

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Speaker 6: It's just unbelievable, Colin.

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Speaker 7: Even the Dolphins fans are like, damn, we thought when

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Speaker 6: Final story, Let's go to the NBA, Colin. I know

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Speaker 7: How about this Cooper flag last night starting at point.

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Speaker 7: Running the show is like a six to nine Magic Johnson.

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Speaker 1: Let me put this my bet. I think Dallas is easily.

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Speaker 1: I think Dallas would win the East. I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's the biggest I mean, if Cooper flat, you know

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Speaker 3: It's a matchup nightmare.

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Speaker 1: Look, look how big their front court is. They are huge,

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Speaker 7: Right now in the league, the Houston Rockets are experimenting

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Speaker 7: with a lineup where everybody is taller than six to six,

442
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Speaker 7: and now the Dallas Mavericks are doing the same.

443
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:02,879
Speaker 6: So we've ushered out.

444
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,360
Speaker 7: The small ball gunner era and we're not going big gunners.

445
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 7: Dallas and Houston could be the new prototype around the league.

446
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:11,800
Speaker 6: Keep an eye on San Antonio as well.

447
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,480
Speaker 7: They got big guards, a little changing.

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Speaker 6: Of the guard, if you will.

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Speaker 1: In the NBA, well, I mean last year Klay Thompson

450
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Speaker 1: was there. Last night, Klay Thompson was their smallest starter

451
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Speaker 1: in plays about six'. Five SO i never bought into

452
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,160
Speaker 1: the small. BALL i think you AND i talked about.

453
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,080
Speaker 1: This there's no such thing as small. Ball it Was

454
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 1: Steph curry And clay were the best shooting backcourt, ever

455
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 1: And draymond was a remarkably skilled six seven who played

456
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Speaker 1: at seven. Feet they had unique. Personnel small mall never

457
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 1: worked For. Houston it never worked for anybody. Else think about.

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Speaker 1: This THE nfl is a big man sport and THE

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00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,880
Speaker 1: nba basketball is a tall man sport and a late.

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Speaker 1: Sport let's get really. Small it didn't work with. Anybody

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Speaker 1: it worked because Of Steph clay And, draymond and even

462
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 1: by the, way they were at their best when they

463
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:07,879
Speaker 1: added the length the length Of Kevin. Durant SO i

464
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 1: never bought into small. Ball houston And Daryl morey tried.

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Speaker 1: It it didn't work BECAUSE i think sometimes you just

466
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Speaker 1: have you, know when The patriots ushered in like we're

467
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Speaker 1: gonna bring in two tight, ends the Late Aaron hernandez And,

468
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Speaker 1: gronk and people were, like, oh tight ends are. Undervalue,

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Speaker 1: No gronk's the top four tight end ever And Aaron

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Speaker 1: hernandez And gronk would tell you, this he might as

471
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Speaker 1: a little bit in AN nba. Player you could put

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Speaker 1: him in the, backfield you could put him at tight,

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Speaker 1: end you could put him at. SLOT i remember talking

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Speaker 1: To Patrick jung once for The. PATRIOTS i, said who's

475
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Speaker 1: the best guy you've ever? Covered he Goes Aaron. Hernandez

476
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Speaker 1: he's like he can run like a, receiver he cats

477
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Speaker 1: like a back or a. Receiver he can block like

478
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Speaker 1: a tight. End so size in my, lifetime has always

479
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Speaker 1: been a huge factor in THE. NBA i Think dallas

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Speaker 1: is so.

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Speaker 7: Undervalue well Remember dallas Lost Kyrie, irving you missed most

482
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Speaker 7: of the season small point.

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Speaker 6: Guard And houston Lost fred.

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Speaker 7: Van, vliet who's out for the season small point. Guard their,

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Speaker 7: answer let's just go Be it's just a fascinating.

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Speaker 6: Experiment we'll see what.

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Speaker 1: Happens J mack with the, News well that's the, news

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Speaker 1: and thanks for stopping by the Herd Line. News i'm

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Speaker 1: trying to think of another comp, where you. KNOW i,

490
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Speaker 1: mean it's like when The yankees Had Mariano. RIVERA i,

491
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: mean everybody wanted a good, closer But mariano's really.

492
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Speaker 3: Valuable if you have a.

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Speaker 1: Lead if you had to Put mariano on bad, teams you,

494
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Speaker 1: know he would have still Been Mariano. Rivera but he

495
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Speaker 1: was so valuable and so great on The yankees because

496
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Speaker 1: let's be, honest they were in big playoff, games they

497
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Speaker 1: had one run, leads And mariano was the greatest closer

498
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Speaker 1: of all time. Closers you, know we've said this with

499
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Speaker 1: there are certain players like pass rushers are really really,

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00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 1: effective Like Max crosby is, Great but how often to

501
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 1: The raiders lead late in the, Game like The raiders

502
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Speaker 1: play teams late that are running the ball to kill

503
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Speaker 1: the clock because The raiders trail. LATE i remember talking

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Speaker 1: To Bill pollym one. Time he talked about he. Goes

505
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Speaker 1: we knew when we Drafted Peyton manning we were gonna

506
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Speaker 1: lead ninety percent of our games in the fourth.

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Speaker 3: Quarter we had to get Like Dwight.

508
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Speaker 1: Freeney we needed pass rushers because we knew we would

509
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Speaker 1: lead late in. Games sometimes you, get Like Max crosby's

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Speaker 1: this unbelievable pass. Rusher can you imagine putting him Like.

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Speaker 1: Michaeh parsons To Green Bay dallas this, year last couple of,

512
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Speaker 1: years is not necessarily leading games with six minutes to.

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Speaker 1: Go micah With Green bay is going to be in

514
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Speaker 1: these games the next three. Months packers lead late and

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Speaker 1: they need a. Sack Derrick henry's not nearly as valuable

516
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Speaker 1: when you're losing, late you know WHAT i mean It

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Speaker 1: it's just the reality of the position In.

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Speaker 3: Chicago wrap it up next To.

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Speaker 1: Prizes i'll tell you what we've talked About Russell westbrook

526
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Speaker 1: not very. FREQUENTLY i thought he did a great job

527
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 1: With denver off the. Bench But Russell westbrook is going

528
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Speaker 1: to make The hall Of. Fame he's got three hundred

529
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Speaker 1: million plus, networth could be. More he's playing, now seven

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Speaker 1: team and seven. Years Sacramento kings a. Mess they're just a.

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Speaker 1: Mess could be the worst team in the league right.

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Speaker 1: NOW a couple of years ago they had the light the.

533
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Speaker 1: Beam now they're you, know couldn't light a, campfire so nobody.

534
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 1: Cares But Russell westbrook is on a seven team in seven.

535
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: Years his contract is like league minimum veteran, minimum like three,

536
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: million so he plays In. California who'll get half of?

537
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 1: That so one point five million for a guy with

538
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 1: three hundred. Networth the story About Russell westbrook And sacramento

539
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 1: is that guy loves. Ball that is a guy that loves.

540
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 1: Basketball he could close it. Down it'd be one thing

541
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Speaker 1: if he was on a like The celtics or The

542
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: pacers are like a real viable, team or The knicks

543
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Speaker 1: Or denver okc OH i get.

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Speaker 3: Played you got me losing every. Night you're In.

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Speaker 1: Sacramento it's kind of a nothing to do. TOWN i,

546
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Speaker 1: mean it's considered like the you, know not one of

547
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Speaker 1: the more dynamic places to. Live not much of a night.

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Speaker 1: Life he, didn't you, Know i'm sure didn't have a

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00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,479
Speaker 1: network of friends. There bad team doesn't need the. Money

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00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: legacy is. Set he's playing because he loves. Basketball you

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00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: gotta respect guys that do. This, oh LIKE i see

552
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: some of these. GUYS i mean, WHY i mean That

553
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: sacramento is bottom of the, league no chance to win forty,

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Speaker 1: games go five.

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Speaker 3: Hundred why is he? Playing he loves, Basketball.

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Speaker 7: Colin it reminds me Of Allen iverson And Carmelo anthony

557
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 7: at the, end two Other hall Of, famers legendary. Players

558
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 7: they just never adapted to what was going on around.

559
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 6: Them Russell westbrook never developed a three point.

560
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Speaker 7: Shot that's why he's on his seventh team in seven.

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Speaker 1: Years and he's a ORDINARY i would say, THIS i

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00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: will Defend Russell westbrook In, denver Whereas Carmelo anthony rolled

563
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Speaker 1: his eyes at everybody that suggested he was a bench. Player, yes,

564
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: Fair Russell westbrook totally embraced, it may not have loved,

565
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: it came off the bench and was unbelievably. Productive and

566
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Speaker 1: he's also when he's coming off the, bench he's going

567
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: up against backups a lot of the, time you, KNOW

568
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: i mean he's athletically. Insane so, AGAIN i always, Said

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00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 1: Russell westbrook has kind of one. Gear, yeah and as he's,

570
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: aged he's got more self awareness and his gear is

571
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: in his pedal to the, medal like he can play

572
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: with a little more. Tempo BUT i thought he was

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00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 1: great In. DENVER i thought his energy off the bench was.

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Speaker 1: Palpable he could get your. Reap he's always been a

575
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: good rebounding. Guard BUT I I carmelo was, Like i'm

576
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: not coming off the.

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Speaker 3: Bench westbrook's, like, Okay i'll come off the.

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Speaker 1: Bench selenia dominate the backups and HE i thought he

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00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 1: was great for The.

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00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 6: Nuggets so he was great for a great. Team denver

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00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 6: was an elite team With. Jokic now you're going to

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00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 6: the dregs of the.

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Speaker 7: League do you Think russ is going to be okay

584
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 7: coming off the.

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00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 6: Bench for one of the worst teams in the.

586
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 3: League i'm not sure he. Will i'm not.

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00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 1: Sure, no HE'S i can guarantee you. This he's one

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Speaker 1: of their two best.

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Speaker 3: Athletes oh, man.

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Speaker 6: This is that's gonna be. Dicey BUT i do thank

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Speaker 6: you for bringing up the. SECONDMENT O. Kings that's you,

592
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 6: know the only time we'll talk about them all.

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Speaker 3: Season, well well that's.

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Speaker 1: All that's and that's all they. Deserve can you guys

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Speaker 1: throw up THE nfl schedule this? WEEKEND i got my

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Speaker 1: blazing five. PICKS i sent him In, tuesday So i'm

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00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: way ahead of schedule. TONIGHT i Like, pittsburgh BUT i

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00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: think IT i Think Joe flacco at home keeps it.

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00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: Close you, KNOW i think it's very much twenty three

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Speaker 1: seventeen Ish. PITTSBURGH i, like you know what Without Poka.

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Speaker 1: Nakula keep your eye in an upset but potential For

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Speaker 1: jaguars and The rams dangerous. Overseas keep your eye on.

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00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: THAT i did not like The jags at all last.

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00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: WEEK i like him in this. SPOT i didn't like

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00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: him after The chiefs win last. Week they played. POORLY

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00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: i like The jags again this. Weekend i'm going to

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00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: stay away From vikings And. EAGLES i do think The

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00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: bears beat The. Saints it might be, close, Though. Colin

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00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: just be careful that numbers coming.

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Speaker 3: Down let me throw this at.

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Speaker 1: You you, know it could end up being the best

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Speaker 1: game of the.

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Speaker 3: Weekend Jets panthers Atta atlanta At San.

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Speaker 7: Francisco there's just too many questions For San.

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Speaker 6: FRANCISCO i don't know who's.

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Speaker 7: Playing, hey let me quickly go back real quick To tomlin.

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Speaker 7: Tonight our staff just came up with some staggering. Numbers

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Speaker 7: Mike tomlin On Thursday Night football on The. Road two

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Speaker 7: and eight in his last ten versus The, division two

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Speaker 7: and seven in his last. Ten for whatever, Reason mike

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Speaker 7: tom someone's struggling in recent years.

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Speaker 6: To get his team up For thursday night.

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Speaker 7: Football this is a real flat spot, tonight AND i

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Speaker 7: have a feeling.

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Speaker 6: Tomorrow you're gonna be leading with.

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Speaker 3: It what may maybe?

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Speaker 6: Here rogers isn't the answer In.

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh, no you, know that's what's fascinating about those. Numbers

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Speaker 1: why Would tomlin be bad On? Thursday how about? This

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Speaker 1: he's very much a player's. Coach he doesn't Love thursday Night.

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Speaker 1: Football he kind of resents it because he's a player's,

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Speaker 1: coach and he thinks it's unfair to the, players and

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Speaker 1: it's a money grab by THE. Nfl and he doesn't

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Speaker 1: give you his best motivational, tactics and.

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Speaker 6: His players feed off of his lack of.

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Speaker 1: Energy, yeah And i'm just Saying mike may look at

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Speaker 1: it as a survival.

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Speaker 3: Week it's not an inspired.

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Speaker 1: Week he doesn't get to use his strengths as a,

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Speaker 1: coach which are, motivational. ASPIRATIONAL i, Mean mike is a

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00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: guy that likes to get into the weeds and get

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00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: into have real relationships with. Players it's very. Hard you

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00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: only get a couple of days of. Practice it's mostly

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00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: walked through. Stuff, yeah it's it's a hard week For

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00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: Mike tomlin to lean into his straints as a. Coach

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00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: so on, THIRD i, mean nothing else makes. Sense it's,

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00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: like why Would Sean payton be so average In. September

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00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: there's a, reason because he puts so much on the

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00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: quarterback's plate because he wants to be ready By. December

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00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: belichick not good In, September tomlin not good On. Thursday

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00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,239
Speaker 1: these are not. Coincidental there's a. Reason SO i do

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00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: think it's really, close But i'll Take aaron Over flacco

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Speaker 1: late