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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kick Off Live

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Speaker 1: right here on Giants dot Com. It's all presented by

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Speaker 1: Coors Light. My name is John Chamille. Joining me is

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Speaker 1: Paul Detino. The phone numbers two oh one nine three

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Speaker 1: the course of the show. O t A Week number

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Speaker 1: two of I Guess Week two of a four week

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Speaker 1: phase three of the off season program. Uh, the Giants

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Speaker 1: messed with their schedule a little bit this year, Paul,

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Speaker 1: So instead of having the mandatory mini camp, is the

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Speaker 1: last thing on the schedule UM, which is three days

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Speaker 1: of basically O t a s except the mandatory and

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Speaker 1: not voluntary. There's no difference. The mandatory portion of the

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Speaker 1: off season program, which is mandatory mini camp, will be

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Speaker 1: next week Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. Then you have four

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Speaker 1: O t a s the final week before the guys

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Speaker 1: schedattle for about six weeks. Yes, then we'll see him

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Speaker 1: that final week of July when they come back for

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Speaker 1: training camp. John the one guy who has stood out

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Speaker 1: from the consistently I don't even ask that question, but

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Speaker 1: go right ahead, that's okay. Well, I want to go

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Speaker 1: there because I think I think it's important because remember,

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Speaker 1: you're at every practice. The media does not have access

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Speaker 1: to every practice. I can actually tell you what happened

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Speaker 1: today too, but you go ahead, okay. And and the

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Speaker 1: reason I want to bring this up is because I

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Speaker 1: believe that Sam Bale has gotten plaudits whenever the media

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Speaker 1: has been around. You've seen every one of the practices.

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Speaker 1: I've seen probably somewhere in the middle because I've been

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Speaker 1: around doing Big Blue Kickoff Live, and it does give

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Speaker 1: me the chance to to get a glance at some

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Speaker 1: of what's going on. I can't say enough about him

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Speaker 1: right now. In terms of all of the newcomers, rookies

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Speaker 1: and veterans included, Sam Bale to me has consistently been

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Speaker 1: the one new face that has just stood out time

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Speaker 1: after time after time. I though a two couple of

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Speaker 1: things out about that. One. I've been impressed by him too.

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Speaker 1: Number Two, I don't watch him every play, so when

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Speaker 1: the ball doesn't go in his direction, I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: what's happening over there, you know what I mean. So

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Speaker 1: I can't judge that have I seen many passes completed

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Speaker 1: on him. No, I also have seen him get flagged

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Speaker 1: for penalties, which maybe something you can't tell from your

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Speaker 1: vantage point, which is tough. So he has been flagged

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Speaker 1: a few times on some of the places like oh,

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Speaker 1: that's really nice play. A lot of times there's some

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Speaker 1: penalties on those plays too. I was down behind the

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Speaker 1: end zone and John's on the forest. And this is

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Speaker 1: what I try to tell people when they call into

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Speaker 1: the show, and it's not the media's fault, it's simply

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Speaker 1: their viewing angle. It's tough to see a lot of

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Speaker 1: the stuff that's going on. It makes it very, very difficult.

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Speaker 1: And a lot of those plays there are flags on

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Speaker 1: those plays. But he's sticky, he's long, um, he knows

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Speaker 1: what he's doing. His side the side is pretty good.

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Speaker 1: I would say, I'm encouraged by what I've seen. I

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Speaker 1: and based on the fact, like if you told me

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Speaker 1: he was a rookie third round pick, I'd say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's playing really really well. Yeah. So of course, once

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Speaker 1: get the pans on and then they play preseason games,

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Speaker 1: we'll learn a lot more. The point is his first

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Speaker 1: impression is good, absolutely, and look at a guy coming

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Speaker 1: off an injury like that, who we really didn't have

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Speaker 1: much exposure to it all last year. You know, he's

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Speaker 1: one of the guys I was really interested in seeing.

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Speaker 1: I think we did a factor fiction or cover three

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Speaker 1: the guy you're excited to see, And he was one

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Speaker 1: of the guys on my list because he's a guy

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Speaker 1: that we simply didn't see a lot. And the way

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Speaker 1: the Giants have constructed their roster, it's going to be

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Speaker 1: essential for some of those young guys in the defensive

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Speaker 1: think DeAndre Baker has been really good too. I think

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Speaker 1: I've seen a couple more passes caught in him than

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Speaker 1: the other guys. But I also think it's really tough

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Speaker 1: think Jabrol Peppers and Evan Ingram has some really fun battles.

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Speaker 1: And you know you won't have a tougher cover when

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Speaker 1: seen it before. We've seen we've seen Clinton Synom look

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Speaker 1: really good in the spring. To see we've seen the

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Speaker 1: nothing meaningful. If they're in the backfield, that's great, but

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Speaker 1: you can't judge Offen No. I totally concur with that,

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Speaker 1: and and I will say this, Peppers how to play yesterday,

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Speaker 1: and it was to your sideline where he wound up

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Speaker 1: and he went all the way to the boundary and

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Speaker 1: that said, m athleticism, covered skills can stay with a

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Speaker 1: I I get it. No pads, you know, pads slow

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Speaker 1: But yeah, but the fact that he was able to

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Speaker 1: it was a really good sign for me. Yeah. Look,

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Speaker 1: Jibrol Peppers has the speed to cover anybody, But the

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Speaker 1: that's the stuff he's gotten better at over his time

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Speaker 1: but a little better than advertised to this point. For example,

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Speaker 1: I was I was very bullish on him in terms

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Speaker 1: by I did not understand why Cleveland to come off

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Speaker 1: you know he's somebody that if you simply line up

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Speaker 1: The question is whether or not he can actually take

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Speaker 1: take those athletic traits and become a good coverage player? Look,

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Speaker 1: it's year three for him. This is it. This is

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Speaker 1: when you gotta come out and show exactly what you

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Speaker 1: can be. You can still improve, but this is when,

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Speaker 1: all right, this is the player I'm gonna be. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I thought one thing that was said yesterday by Bathet

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Speaker 1: You remember last year how many times it looked like

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Speaker 1: Collins and Riley were running in different directions and they

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Speaker 1: Riley just took some bad angles and missed a lot

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Speaker 1: itself means those guys will be on the same page more.

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Speaker 1: And regardless of what you think about Pathabian thirty four

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Speaker 1: the mental part of the game should be dramatically improved

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Speaker 1: between those two guys. He might get be physically sometimes,

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Speaker 1: he can close and make the play. We'll see, but

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Speaker 1: the mental parts should be good. A couple other notes.

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Speaker 1: The one other thing that I found was really interesting

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Speaker 1: The one that I'll touch on first, Paul Schwartz was

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Speaker 1: I believe it was Befet at the podium and I

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Speaker 1: in and watch the Giants defense last year? And he's like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Betcheer defense? And BEF, they didn't flat out and say no,

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Speaker 1: put his team on the field in September. The blitz

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Speaker 1: got to do this because he doesn't have that. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say it's unfair, because life is unfair, okay,

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Speaker 1: and you have to deal with the cards that you're dealt.

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Speaker 1: But last year he didn't have a full deck to

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Speaker 1: By the way, the fact that he didn't try to

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Speaker 1: force it's a good thing that the coach is able

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Speaker 1: to adjust to his personnel. We and and that's my point,

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Speaker 1: is that he knew he didn't have it, so he

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Speaker 1: didn't try to force feed it. And at the same time,

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Speaker 1: with the Cardinals, which we're very productive top ten defenses.

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Speaker 1: I think we said three years in a row, correct, Yes, Okay,

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Speaker 1: really does need to almost get a more a good

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Speaker 1: last year, and let's see what he does when they

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Speaker 1: give him a better hand of cards, and let's see

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Speaker 1: if he can in fact implement most of the things

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Speaker 1: Cardinals and get something close to similar results. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if I have to give him a mulligan.

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Speaker 1: I think you just say, all right, that's what it was,

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Speaker 1: and now you see what he can really do. Do

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Speaker 1: you pass judgment off of last year? No? And I guess, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: not that important. Um, So read everything and you can

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Speaker 1: decide what's important to you and what's not. I'll go

429
00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,479
Speaker 1: a little further with that though, because I do believe

430
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Speaker 1: what the coaches are looking for from Eli is physically.

431
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,399
Speaker 1: They want to know what kind of shape he's in.

432
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,440
Speaker 1: They want to know if his arms still looks sharp

433
00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,760
Speaker 1: and fresh, and those things are important. But the performance itself,

434
00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 1: the the completions, the incompletions, that's not so much a

435
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,639
Speaker 1: big deal. They just want to see that the arm

436
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:03,760
Speaker 1: still has the zip he can still spin it. He

437
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 1: can still get it out there with the proper velocity,

438
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,840
Speaker 1: get the distance that he needs to get that stuff.

439
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,200
Speaker 1: You still want to see because at some point in time,

440
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,359
Speaker 1: every pro quarterback is going to start losing something out

441
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,760
Speaker 1: of his arm. Eli really has not lost anything yet. No,

442
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,520
Speaker 1: I think its fine, you know, so I do think

443
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,879
Speaker 1: that's what they're looking at. Now. As far as what

444
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 1: what the newspaper folks are looking at, just remember something,

445
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,160
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham's Jr. Is not on this team anymore, say,

446
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:34,160
Speaker 1: Kwan Barkley is as Derek Jeter like vanilla as they come.

447
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,119
Speaker 1: And you can't really write about running back storing on

448
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 1: pad of practices, correct, So what are they going to

449
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,359
Speaker 1: do to get their clicks? What are they going to

450
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,400
Speaker 1: do to draw attention to them? By the way, that's

451
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,400
Speaker 1: what the editors want them to do. Yes, that's also true.

452
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 1: They're gonna go after the quarterback and so you will

453
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 1: see ad infinitum. I mean, look, do you know said, well,

454
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Speaker 1: this is great, you had your rant. Now Paul's gonna

455
00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 1: hit his randy because you know, you know I I

456
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 1: I asked, I asked John, and I asked some of

457
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 1: other the other folks around here. I said, you know what,

458
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:12,440
Speaker 1: when's the next writer gonna ask uh coach Pat Schumer

459
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 1: if Eli Manning helps Daniel Jones blow his nose? Because

460
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:21,439
Speaker 1: that's how ridiculous and how repetitive these questions have gotten.

461
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 1: Every single media avail that coach Pat Schumer has had

462
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:33,400
Speaker 1: since the draft has been loaded loaded with the majority

463
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Speaker 1: of questions about Eli Manning and Daniel Jones. Am I

464
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 1: right or wrong? John? It's been a lot, every single

465
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 1: media avail, every single one. It's a joke. But that's

466
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: also because it's the easy target. And when you need clicks,

467
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 1: you go right to the quarterback. You know, this team

468
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 1: doesn't have any other headline grabbers who are gonna give

469
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Speaker 1: them hot takes, said hot clicks like I said, say

470
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 1: Quanta is classy and boring, you know, and that's not

471
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: meant to be a disrespectful comment. Say Kwan Barkley is

472
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 1: so Derek Jeter, Like he's not gonna give you any

473
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 1: hot clicks, although I believe somebody yesterday tried to force

474
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 1: a hot click on him about the Levi on bell

475
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 1: Com when he said it wasn't good that the guys

476
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 1: wasn't around. Quant If you read the whole context of

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Speaker 1: the quote, or if you saw the video of the quote,

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Speaker 1: you would see he was not being overly critical and

479
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 1: trying to cause a problem. But of course we have

480
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 1: who described. Um, I don't need to I didn't see it. Okay,

481
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 1: you folks out there understand what we're talking about, because

482
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 1: you gotta read this garbage every day. I get it,

483
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 1: I get it. That's okay. Well, well you started it,

484
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 1: my man. It's a pet. It's a pet. People mind.

485
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to throw anybody under the bus, or

486
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: you know it says they honestly probably bothers me more

487
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 1: than I bothers Eli. But that's another day. You know what.

488
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Speaker 1: I'm glad it bothers you because it shows you're an

489
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: intelligent fan. Because it's insulting to you to be served

490
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: slap every day. You shouldn't be happy with that. Speaking

491
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: of speaking of intelligent fan, let me see if I

492
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: can keep up with that here for a second and

493
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Speaker 1: talk about the offense with you for a moment um.

494
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Speaker 1: What I want to talk about is the offensive balance,

495
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Speaker 1: and a lot of times that gets looked at within

496
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 1: a bubble of just run versus past fifty fifty doesn't

497
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Speaker 1: look at personnel packages or anything like that. And what

498
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 1: I want to kind of dig into a little bit,

499
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 1: and I think you'll appreciate this call, is how the

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00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: offensive line is going to play a very positive role

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00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 1: in the offensive balance this year. And that's within the

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Speaker 1: different personnel packages. When you look at how many times

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Speaker 1: Sa Kwan faces seven man or more box, it was

504
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: three quarters of the time, which I think is just criminal.

505
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: It's one of the highest in the league. And a

506
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: lot of that is because when he had to run

507
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Speaker 1: the ball, it had to be in a twelve personnel

508
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Speaker 1: to accommodate the poor offensive wine uh, And we actually

509
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 1: ran the ball when we were in a twelve personnel

510
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,360
Speaker 1: the run percentage was close to seventy percent of the time,

511
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Speaker 1: and versus in the eleven personnel, we passed the ball

512
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: seventy of the time. So the defense knows what's going

513
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: to happen based off of the personnels on the field.

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00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: When we're in a twelve personnel, they have a very good, yeah,

515
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: that we're going to run the ball. We're in the eleven,

516
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 1: they have a very good they were gonna pass well, honestly,

517
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Speaker 1: real quick. Well, well, I would bet based on the

518
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: numbers I saw end of last year. I think those

519
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 1: numbers became far less predictable in the second half of

520
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 1: the year, where they ran a lot of play act

521
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: question question agreed, And again because the offensive line got

522
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Speaker 1: better and yes, even better year, we'll be able to

523
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: see a little bit more of a balance of, Hey,

524
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: we can run the ball an eleven personnel more because

525
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 1: our offensive line is better. And then by being able

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Speaker 1: to pass the ball in twelve personnels extremely beneficial too,

527
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Speaker 1: because then the linebackers want to, you know, bite up

528
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: off of a play action fake, and then you get

529
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 1: someone like you know Ingram running that stick nod route

530
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,040
Speaker 1: he does so great where he thanks the block and

531
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: kind of leaks into that cover too, steam along the sideline,

532
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 1: and you know, just being unpredictable and having the defense

533
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 1: have to guess what's going to happen rather than no

534
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: based off the personnel. That all is completely based off

535
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 1: of an improved offensive line, and I'm so excited to

536
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: see it this year. That's all I got. Well, hold

537
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: on a second, I want to make you happier, Okay,

538
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 1: I really do want to make you happier. I talked

539
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: to a veteran offensive lineman yesterday and I specifically addressed

540
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 1: this particular philosophy to him, but I also said to him,

541
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Speaker 1: you know, you've got a lot of young pups on defense,

542
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: and they're gonna be times where they're scrambling out there,

543
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: and they may make mistakes and it may cost you

544
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Speaker 1: some points. But I think you have an offense who

545
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 1: may be able to overcome those situations. And I said,

546
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Speaker 1: even more important, you may have an offense that can

547
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: dictate and control the tempo and control the clock and

548
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: even keep those guys off the field in dangerous situations.

549
00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: And he said, that's exactly right. We expect to control

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00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: the tempo of the games this year, which we hadn't

551
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: been able to do in the past. That all plays

552
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: into what you're talking about. It starts with the offensive line.

553
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: It always will, and anybody who knows anything about this

554
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: game understands that. I agreed. I'm gonna make one more point,

555
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: and it actually kills me to say. And I think

556
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: this has actually talked about between U and lands Boat call.

557
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: I think our offense is gonna look very similar to

558
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: the Cowboys offense over the past couple of years, and

559
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: that's a good thing. The offensive in the offensive, the

560
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: couple has has been very good and hell good offensively.

561
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna look very similar, So I appreciate

562
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: gouty to take him a call. I'm gonna let you

563
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: go for that. Thank you. Well, yeah, that was on

564
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 1: the conversation point I had at one of the ends

565
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: of one of our shows last week. We did we

566
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Speaker 1: did two, one, four or five one. It's all presented

567
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 1: by Corps Light. Let's go to Tim and Jackson, New Jersey.

568
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: He's up next, Tim, Hi, Hi, Hi, Tim? Hello, Okay,

569
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Speaker 1: I got question. I'll get three ft the Giants wool

570
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: toy Eli maitials him a round pick to the Condos.

571
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: They change, but challenge sixth pick and trade b J

572
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: good second round pick and a pick to the pack

573
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 1: that they saved for Davante Adam and a twenty fourth

574
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: mail pick. Tim, I think you're getting too clever by

575
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 1: half and and thanks for the call. I appreciate it. One.

576
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: The Packers are not turing Davante Adams first and foremost,

577
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: And why would the Cardinals want Eli Manning. I don't

578
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: have an answer for you. Yeah, so, good attempt, but pass.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Charlie in Portland Main Charlie. What's up, hey, Paul,

580
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: Hey John? How are you? How was your Memorial Day weekend? Charlie?

581
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: Did you get out to do a little barbecue and

582
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: what did you do? No? I didn't do it was raining. No,

583
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: actually was a good weekend. It was. It was fine.

584
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: Now I didn't do any barbecueling, but we went out

585
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: to dinner and met some friends. Yeah, it was a

586
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: great time. It was it was like seventy year. That

587
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: was the first seventy we've had since last September, so

588
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: it was very nice. Well another question for you, so

589
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: do you do you go like buy your friends from overseason?

590
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: I've shipped in. How does that work for you? No? No, No,

591
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: it's unbelievable. The people that drive past my house and

592
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: they and they just have to stop and see the

593
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: shrine of will Beattie. And do you charge them for

594
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: that too? A little to mission to go with the deal.

595
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: So that's how I'm going to get to New York

596
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: to see a game. He speaking of offensive lineman, there

597
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: is somebody available, Mr Dallas, bring him in for a workout.

598
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: It won't harm anything, it won't hurt anybody, just to

599
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: see what he's got I can't believe I'm going to

600
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: say this, Charlie. I would investigate it. Wait, who who

601
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: are we talking about her? Anthony Davis, the forty Nights tackle,

602
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: has come out of retirement. He filed his papers yes okay,

603
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: and the forty nine is have released it at his

604
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: own request. He he wants to come back and does

605
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: not want to play there. He's a Jersey guy has

606
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: actually always wanted to play for the Giants. Here's what

607
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: I would do, Charlie. I would make some phone calls

608
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: to find out what what his medical is. I would

609
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: also probably wish to talk to him as well as

610
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,959
Speaker 1: some other people on the background check to see exactly

611
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: where his mentality is at, because this is the second

612
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: time now that he has retired and come back from

613
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: concussions right and and and injuries. So before I even

614
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: got to the point where I physically brought him into

615
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: the building, I wouldn't need to do some background investigation

616
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: and find out from people who know him, from people

617
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: who've been around him. I would need to make some

618
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: phone calls, and once once I found out that all right,

619
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: maybe there's something here, then I would reach out and

620
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: say Okay, let's bring him in for an interview when

621
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: to work out and see what's going on. I would

622
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: be leary, but I would absolutely do my due diligence.

623
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: So in that regard, I concur thank you, Paul, because

624
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: I agree there's no harm and you know it, Charlie.

625
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: I am also okay with that. This is not somebody

626
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: that's been lingering on the street that nobody has wanted

627
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: for years at a time, like your other favorite pet cat.

628
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: So I would be okay rolling the dice on something.

629
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: And by the way, Davis resume when he played it

630
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: pretty good, Yeah, he really wants to play secondary investigate.

631
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: You know how good the secondary looked, bro. I wish

632
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: O'Dell was here because I don't know how secondary would

633
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: look as good as it does. Well, Charlie, here's the

634
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: funny thing. If well that was on the roster, you

635
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: still want to be a practice anyway, So you don't

636
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: you don't want, Charlie. Let me be very fair about

637
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: this though, because we have watched this, and John's gonna

638
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: second me on this, I don't think there's any doubt

639
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: about it. We have watched at practice, like when William

640
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: Gay was here and Sterling Shepard fry him like an

641
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: onion ring. Um. I mean it was it was sad

642
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: to watch, uh, And I'm not trying to to disparage

643
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: him in any way, but you can tell when guys

644
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: are running routes. That's one of the few things you

645
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: can tell during these spring drills when a road receiver

646
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: comes off the line and he's he's letting it go

647
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: and running his route. If the dB literally has no

648
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,719
Speaker 1: chance to be within three or four yards of him

649
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: because he either can't move or has no speed, that's

650
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: a bad sign. Yeah, we haven't had one on one's

651
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: wide receiver dB since either the first or second O

652
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: t A, So I'm looking forward to to getting those

653
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: guys out there again with more experience at it to

654
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: see how they do in those one on ones against

655
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: the veterans and by the like Corey Valentine got his

656
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: first action. That looks quick. But anyway, between Shepherd, Tate

657
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: and Ingram, you've got some pretty dawn good route runners there.

658
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: And you know, if if they lose the secondary during

659
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: their one on one drills and during practice drills, that's

660
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: a bad sign. But I haven't seen that happen. Hey,

661
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: let me leave you with this. Remember this, one man's

662
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: ceiling is another man's floor, so you can contemplate that today.

663
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: Thank you, Confucius. I appreciate it. That's Charlie, Thank you, buddy.

664
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: Thank you easy pal. Two one four, five, one three.

665
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: I gotta take one more call and then I gotta

666
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: run out to get this podcast done with David Deal,

667
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: Kevin Zeitler, and Will HERNANDEZI should be fun. It's going

668
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: to be very fun. It'll be a little offensive line

669
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: round table. I'm just doing doing audio. You want to

670
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: hear me, but you Deal talk to those other two guys,

671
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: which should be a good time. Get a little offensive

672
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: one one on one from that group. Daniel in Brooklyn's

673
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: up next. Hey Daniel, Hey, what's going on? John? What's

674
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: going on? But yeah, John, you said you have Daniel

675
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: Jones as the number two week winn and cool. You

676
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: said you have Alex Tanney, so whees at least calamta

677
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: in your guys. I think Kyloletta has an uphill battle.

678
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: I think he has a lot to prove once he

679
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: gets on the field, and he's not even practicing in

680
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: full yet because he's recovering from this knee surgery. He's

681
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: only doing individual stuff in drills. He's not even participating

682
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: in seven on sevens or team portion and frankly he

683
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: could do seven on seven. There's no pass rush, so

684
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: there's no worry of him getting hurt in those drills.

685
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: So until I see him out there, Daniel and actually

686
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: working in team drills, I can't really pass judgment on

687
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: how he looks. But look, I think that that the

688
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 1: coaching staff is more apt to trust a veteran like Tanny,

689
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: So Lolette is gonna have to prove that he's that

690
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 1: much better of a quarterback when they get the practices

691
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: in the summer to find the roster spot on this team.

692
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: Can you do it? Absolutely, but he's gonna have to

693
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: win it. It's not gonna be given to him. The

694
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: only thing that works a bit in low Lett his

695
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: favor is that he told us yesterday he does expect

696
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 1: to be a full go by the time training camp starts,

697
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: so he will in all likelihood be given that opportunity

698
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: to try to fight his way to stay on the roster,

699
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: as opposed to if this thing was expected to linger longer,

700
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: and then you'd have to worry about him being on

701
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: pop and That's never a good sign for a guy

702
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: trying to maintain a spot. Yep, okay, uh, And can

703
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 1: you guys let me know how Ryan Connley is doing,

704
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: because at first I didn't like that draft pick, but

705
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: I'm starting to love it. You know. The funny thing

706
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: about Conley is that I did not do a lot

707
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: of work on him pre draft. He's been a little

708
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: bit faster and a little bit more agile and mobile

709
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: than I thought he would be coming out of Wisconsin. Uh.

710
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 1: He showed up in rookie minicamp a lot. I haven't

711
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: noticed him a tough a ton during ots, to be

712
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: honest with you, I've noticed some of the other guys more.

713
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: I have not noticed him a lot. I agree with John,

714
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: But when you consider that T. Davis and and Snate

715
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: Stupar are your two backup inside linebackers, you can't necessarily

716
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: be against draft and a young guy who may be

717
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: able to supplant one of them. Well, I just don't

718
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:52,879
Speaker 1: think a lot of people knew anything about him before

719
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: the Giants took him. I think that's more. That's fair path,

720
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 1: but certainly comes from a big program that that that

721
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 1: values you know, tough heart knows blue collar football players.

722
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: There a chance that he could possibly start. I'd be

723
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: surprised by that. Yeah, I mean, who knows what his

724
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: upside is over the course of time. But this year,

725
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's going to be a core

726
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:20,479
Speaker 1: special teams guy. I agree. Oh alright, thanks, Sorry, disappointed, Daniel.

727
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: He was a fifth round pick, right, Yeah, but let's

728
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: let's fifth round pick the Star Week one. Well, let's

729
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: say this. Uh, he does have speed. We know that

730
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: coming out of Wisconsin. We know he's got speed that

731
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: will help him on specials. And apparently he's got some

732
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: pretty good cover skills for an inside backers what we

733
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: were told. Now, I hate to say this because I

734
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 1: don't want to jinx him, but b J. Goodson's had

735
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: trouble staying on the field. Yeah, and Ta Davis will

736
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: have a chance to Yeah, and so so could connily

737
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: start a game at some point during his rookie season.

738
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 1: It's not impossible. No big book Off Live is presented

739
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: by Corps Life folks that got one caller on the line.

740
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: So Paul's got into the last fifteen years twenty minutes

741
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: on his own. So he's gonna need your help. So

742
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: get on the line to one, one, three. You better

743
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: get those tweets loads. I got him right here. So

744
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: let's go. I'm gonna go to Jeffy Rhode Island. I'm

745
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: gonna say goodbye. Okay, you slide over. We'll go from there.

746
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 1: You got it, John, Jeff, Go ahead, Hello, Jeff, your

747
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: next up, Big Blue Kick Off Live. Hello. Hello, nice

748
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: to talk to you. Okay, I couldn't. Can you hear me? Okay,

749
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 1: I thought I got I know, we got you. Fine,

750
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: let me just let me just slide my chair a

751
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: little bit, so you go ahead and start your question. Okay, No,

752
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: I get a I get a little story for you, Paul.

753
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: I think you'll enjoy it. Uh. I heard you talk

754
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: in a few days ago about the number seventy seventy

755
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: one bench bench warm up Bob. That's him. He's he's

756
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: a great guy to talk to. I I wish every

757
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: fan you know what, I'm gonna try to get him

758
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: on the show at some point during the course of

759
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: the summer. The problem is, I don't know how many

760
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: other people in our Giants broadcast division know who he is. Yeah, well,

761
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: you know, he was a pretty decent player for the

762
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: Giant was at one point, Uh, This happened in his

763
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: last season with the Giants, which I believe was sometime

764
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 1: during the course in nineteen seventy one. UM. I read

765
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: this in one of my many Giants book I've read

766
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: over the years. At one point in time, I guess

767
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: Wellington Marry had a little chat with him in took

768
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: him aside in the locker room or wherever it was,

769
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: and he wanted learns to talk to some of the

770
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: fellas on the team and uh get the temperature about

771
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: what they actually thought about Wellington. So Bob did that,

772
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: and when he came back to report the Mr Mara

773
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,919
Speaker 1: and tell him what he had learned, apparently it didn't

774
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: paint I don't remember the exact quote because I wouldn't

775
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 1: know where to go to find it, but it didn't

776
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: paint Mr Mara in a very very good color as

777
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 1: far as he was concerned. And shortly thereafter, and Bob

778
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: was the union rep for the Giants at that time

779
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 1: as well, and shortly after Buff found this himself traded

780
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 1: to the Vikings. So I always thought that was kind

781
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 1: of a funny story, you know. It's like, I don't

782
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: know if it was the same day, the same afternoon,

783
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: or the day after. It was very soon after he

784
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: reported back to Mr Mara, I will uh, I will

785
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: see if I can find something here here it is.

786
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: It's actually a story in in the Sports Illustrated Vault,

787
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: a story that was written back in nineteen seventy two.

788
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 1: It says here he called in Bob Lurtzima and asked

789
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 1: him to survey what kind of report he had with

790
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: the players and what they thought of the Giants family image.

791
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: Lord Sima went to the players one by one and

792
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: as Lrdzimer recalls, and this is now from a nineteen

793
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: seventy two Sports Illustrated article, he went to Seemara on

794
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: a Tuesday afternoon at one o'clock. Quote he asked for

795
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: an honest report, and I gave it to him with

796
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: both barrels. Lutzema said, I told him, you have no

797
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: report with the players, and the Giant family image is

798
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: not there. There was no question about it. He was

799
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 1: crushed when I told him I wasn't trying to hurt

800
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: the guy, but to tell him the truth he asked for.

801
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: He sat back, maybe asked me a couple of questions,

802
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 1: then shook my hand and said, at least I know

803
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: you gave me an honest answer, and at four thirty

804
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: I was on waivers. Oh my, I knew that you'd

805
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: appreciate that story. And I'm sure you probably knew about it. Well, no,

806
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 1: I did not know about it. But but here, here's

807
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: here's what Mara says. Now. According to the article, Mara

808
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: says he did not know until after the meeting that

809
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: the coaches had already decided to release Lard Sama, and

810
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: he did not want to interfere. Oh I see that part.

811
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I thought I thought he was let go.

812
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: I traded simply because of the report that he gave

813
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: back the minute. That is not that would be erroneous.

814
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: According to this nineteen seventy two Sports Illustrated article, now, lord,

815
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 1: you remember after he was waiverding, I picked up by

816
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: the Vikings and became one of the rotating members of

817
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: the Purple People leaders, right exactly. So we had a

818
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: lot more success with the Vikings, and oh he did well. Yeah,

819
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,760
Speaker 1: and then after that he was on his last legs.

820
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: He got waived or cut by the Vikings, was picked

821
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: up by the Seahawks. It might have even been in

822
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: the expansion draft, and he played his last year in Seattle. Yeah,

823
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: that's correct. Well, it'd be great if you could get

824
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: him on the show. And uh, you know, it's always

825
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: fun to have a little chit chat about the old

826
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: Time Giants because uh, I know, I just I really

827
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: enjoyed that, and I'm sure you do as well. So yeah,

828
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: but he was he was roommates with Bob Tucker just

829
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: as an f y I because I ran into larnsim

830
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: up at at a Giant's V I P function, which

831
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: was I want to say, Oh, I want to say.

832
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: It was just prior to the last Super Bowl in

833
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 1: two thousand and eleven when they went out to play

834
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: the Patriots, and and I met Bob and had a

835
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: really great talk with him. Great guy to talk to,

836
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: tremendous storyteller, real friendly man. Was a huge fan favorite Minnesota,

837
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: still is to this day. And and Bob always said

838
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: to me, he said, you know, even though I was

839
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: with the Vikings and everything, and he was better at

840
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: the time when the Giants waived him. He he is

841
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: a Giant through and through with hard and loves absolutely

842
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: loves the Giants fan base tremendous affection. So I would

843
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: love to get him on the show one night. One day,

844
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 1: I really would. I gotta tell you also what I

845
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: have a autograph picture from nineteen seventy two from Bob.

846
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: I wrote a alta many years ago and he did

847
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: that for me. And that nine things on my War

848
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: with the rest of my Giants memorabile I collected over

849
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: the years. Very cool. Number three real giant Bob, Bob Tucker.

850
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: We're talking about now, not learn some what we're talking about,

851
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: Bob Tucker. Bob. Bob and I actually got to know

852
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 1: each other very well over the years, and I can't

853
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: tell you what a class act he is. I I've

854
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: I value that friendship. Bob Chucker on one of the

855
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: true Giants legends and unfortunately played during a very difficult error. Yeah, well,

856
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: thanks for anytime, my man. Always good to talk old

857
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: school Giants football. Thank you be well. Two four five

858
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 1: one three. Freddie uh J twenty three on Twitter says,

859
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: I know it's only O T A S. But how

860
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: has r J McIntosh been looking so far? Uh r

861
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: J has worked very hard since he was able to

862
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: get back on the field after having an illness and

863
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: an ailment last year as a rookie, and as you know,

864
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: we got some time during December showed some flashes, has

865
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 1: really kind of sculpted his body, and you could see

866
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: he's already matured now into being a second year pro.

867
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: I think that Macintosh and we got a call about

868
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: him yesterday and Lance and I were not we're not

869
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: making fun in anyway. But I don't know that he's

870
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: got a cemented roster spot. I think he has to

871
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: earn it, you know, a show me player in other words,

872
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 1: because see to me, let me let me call up

873
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: the giants unofficial depth chart right now, and it's strictly

874
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: just a projection because quite frankly, the team doesn't put

875
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: out a depth chart, you know during O T A S.

876
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: If you consider the Giants will probably keep six defensive linemen,

877
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 1: maybe seven, but I think they're gonna have to steal

878
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: a spot for either an extra linebacker or an extra

879
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: defensive back, maybe even an extra offensive lineman. So I'm

880
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: gonna go six defensive linemen because they want to start

881
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: out of the base three four and then they're gonna

882
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 1: play a lot of multiple Okay, so who's on the

883
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 1: team for sure? B J. Hill, Dalvelin, Tomlinson, Dexter Lawrence.

884
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: Those three are locked up you would think that that

885
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: oldson Pierre, who they signed as a free agent from

886
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, one of the guys you know that that

887
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 1: they brought in, uh, you know, during the off season.

888
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: You would think they brought him in because he's getting

889
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: a roster spot. So that means four defensive line roster

890
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: spot are pretty much account at for. So does that

891
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: mean there's two or three left to be fought for?

892
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say two for argument's sake. So now you

893
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: look at uh Seresna, the guy they picked up off

894
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 1: a free agency from the UH from the forty niners. Um,

895
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: you look at McIntosh, You look at um Jens John Jenkins,

896
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: who they had on the team last year after they

897
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: signed him from the Bears. You look at Alex Jenkins,

898
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: who was a guy who just made it onto the

899
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: roster a few weeks ago. Uh, these are guys who

900
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: are gonna fight for two, potentially three spots. And then

901
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,240
Speaker 1: of course you got the seventh round pick Chris Slayton

902
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: a Syracuse So you know, to me, I'm gonna say

903
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 1: four the spots are accounted for. And I'm saying that

904
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: about pure Olson even though he's he's been banged up

905
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: and hasn't done much here in the spring. He's been

906
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: working with the trainers. The fact that they brought him

907
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: in from the Cardinals makes me feel like, you know,

908
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: they brought him in earlier in free agency, that he's

909
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: going to get one of the four spots that I'm

910
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: talking about, which means there's two or three spots up

911
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: for grabs on the back of the depth chart with

912
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: all those other names that I just I just mentioned.

913
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,479
Speaker 1: So is McIntosh a lock? I don't think he's a lock.

914
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: I think he's got a nose ahead on on those

915
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: other guys. Why wouldn't He's been here before, He's young,

916
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: came from a good program, you know, with Miami, a

917
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,439
Speaker 1: large program. I think he certainly has the the opportunity

918
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: and has a leg up. But I don't think he's

919
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: locked anyway. Um all right, two h one nine, nine

920
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: four or five one three? Matt, Who's next on the show.

921
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: Let's see Jose You're next on Big Blue Kickoff Live.

922
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: Hello from Jersey City. I'm good. How are you? I'm

923
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: doing good? Um My, someone's going to be about Dave Gentleman.

924
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: But this hearing you talk about how much depth we're

925
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: looking at and who's sliding in and who's not sliding in?

926
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: In and out? How is our secondary actually looking? I

927
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: know the names are there, but you've been around football

928
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: a very long time. I coached baseball, so it's all

929
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: a team sport. Yeah, how are they looking together? Because

930
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: individually you can do but so much. We won't know

931
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: that until we actually see these guys start playing preseason games.

932
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: Even even in practice, you know, you can only tell

933
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: so much. Now during the spring drills, which are basically

934
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: flag football, you can even tell less, you know, because

935
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: we remember something. One of the things that that the

936
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: Giants want to be a hallmark of their secondary is

937
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: man coverage and particularly press and jam at the line.

938
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: You can't do that, don't You have to have some

939
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 1: type just in my opinion, communication, So sure you do,

940
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 1: Sure you do. But here's the thing. That's what I mean,

941
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: like visualizing how they're communicating. Because we can talk fifty

942
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: members in the Hall of Fame and put them together.

943
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: If they're not communicating, they're gonna have Well, I'm gonna

944
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 1: answer your question in two ways. Number one is you know,

945
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: part of the whole communication process is kind of stunted

946
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: because you're not allowed to play all the stuff you

947
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: want to play. There's no contact. So like if a

948
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: corner and it's safety, have to communicate as to who's

949
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,479
Speaker 1: gonna pass off who, but who's gonna do the jam?

950
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: And then who's gonna help, you know, fight the pick

951
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: so to speak, which is the rub route. That's something

952
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 1: you can't do right now. Communication can help you deal

953
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: with that, but that's not a situation you're allowed to

954
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 1: run practice because there's no contact. So what I'm saying

955
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: is you can't really get the full picture until you

956
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: get those totals. This is why I tell people all

957
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: the time, I love preseason football because it's my chance

958
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: to start figuring out who belongs on this team. That's

959
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: to me, that's the best part of the summer. That's

960
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: when you see their conditioning question, Yes, interacting, you know everything? Yes,

961
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: all right. Now the second part of your answer is this, Um,

962
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: we know, and we addressed this earlier in the program,

963
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: how Landon, Collins and and Riley did not form a quality,

964
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 1: productive safety combination in the middle of the field. Now,

965
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: Collins again, I'll say this. I said it yesterday. He's

966
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: probably the best box safety of the NFL scene in

967
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 1: at least a decade. But unfortunately, because he did not

968
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: have a partner back there who complimented him well, or

969
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: quite frankly, who lined up the defense very well, it

970
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: turned into a very dangerous Bermuda triangle deep in the

971
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: Giant secondary. So so here's the thing. If you heard

972
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: earlier in the program when I asked or I was

973
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: one of the guys that I asked Bethet about it,

974
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: Antoine Baffet and someone else asked coach Shermer about it,

975
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: And what we got from both of those guys is

976
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: that Peppers and Bathet are communicating extremely well together because

977
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: each of those guys has played both strong and free

978
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: safety during their NFL careers, so they both understand what

979
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: the other guy is seeing, what he knows, what he

980
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: has to do, and how he has to relate to

981
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 1: the other safety on the field. That should help them. Now,

982
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: it won't automatically make it magical because one guy's a

983
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: fourteen year pro and the other guy's a three year pro.

984
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: They're both coming off of different teams. But of course,

985
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: be set, he knows a little bit about what Betcher

986
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 1: wants to do because he was with the Cardinal. So

987
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: I guess my My short version answer to part two

988
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 1: of this whole equation that you've laid out for me

989
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: is that the communication between those two guys seems to

990
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: be much more on the upswing and a much more

991
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: positive light than what the Giants had last year, and

992
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: that in itself should improve the secondary. Of course, what

993
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: that doesn't tell us, and we won't know until you

994
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: know much later on in the summer, is how are

995
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: those guys communicating with the rest of the defense, specifically

996
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: the cornerbacks who are young, okay, and young and inexperienced

997
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: and are going to make mistakes. I don't know how

998
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: long you've been watching the Giants, but remember Mark Haynes

999
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:55,959
Speaker 1: as a rookie. Oh my goodness, oh oh that was ugly.

1000
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 1: Because when I'm we get the practice my first thing,

1001
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: and I tell them all the time, I said, you know,

1002
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: what are we what are we allowed to do today?

1003
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: And everybody turns around like make mistakes? Coach? Okay, when

1004
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 1: do you do after that? We gotta learn from the coach.

1005
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: And I explained to them, I said, if you watch,

1006
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 1: whether it be baseball, football, hockey, this way, that way,

1007
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: grown men make mistakes. Me as a parent, I make mistakes,

1008
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: I said, but you have to understand that that's going

1009
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: to happen. And once you start understanding that, okay, the

1010
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,479
Speaker 1: you know, mistakes is gonna happen. But at that time,

1011
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do with that? Are you gonna

1012
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: continue being a child or are you gonna grow? Learn

1013
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: from that? Now, correct it and then move forward. That's it.

1014
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: That's why I don't really I'm not too fond of

1015
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: where people land as far as like draft picks and

1016
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Tom Brady, you know, I hate spitting

1017
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,919
Speaker 1: his name out, but I get it. But look where

1018
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: he's drafted, Look where he came, and then on top

1019
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: of that, he is at the top of the mountain

1020
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: right now. Sure, I appreciate it very much. Man, thanks

1021
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 1: for the call. We'll talk to you again soon. Alex

1022
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 1: Gordon hits us up on Twitter says, listening to Daniel

1023
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: Jones talk about learning from Eli, how do you think

1024
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: he will pick up a few notes from Eli's durability. Well,

1025
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 1: we all know how legendary Eli's durability has been. I

1026
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 1: would think that that Eli is also going to teach

1027
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones about how to make sure you you take

1028
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: a hit. I mean that's all part of it. Um.

1029
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: Eli Manning understood that when when it was closing in

1030
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: on him and he was going to get crunched, he

1031
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: knew how to fold his body up properly so that

1032
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: he could absorb the blow with less damage. And I'm

1033
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:51,879
Speaker 1: gonna say this again for what the five hundred thousandth time,

1034
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: Eli Mannings durability is one of the assets and one

1035
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: of the points of greatness that that he carries on

1036
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 1: his as a may as he goes into the Hall

1037
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:07,479
Speaker 1: of Fame. Reliability and dourability is a big, big, big

1038
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: deal in this league, especially when you have so much

1039
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: money invested into a quarterback, and it really hurts your

1040
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: salary cap. When that quarterback who's making big bucks in

1041
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: a high percentage of your cap cannot play. That is

1042
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: a very very bad and dangerous and painful situation for

1043
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: a team to have to deal with. So you know,

1044
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: let's let's give credit where credits due in Eli's case.

1045
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 1: And I do think that that Daniel Jones will be

1046
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: taught certain things about how to take a hit from Eli.

1047
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,720
Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, Daniel Jones is more athletic,

1048
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,959
Speaker 1: he will move around more. I get I I hope

1049
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: it's for escapability's sake as opposed to rushing forward, because

1050
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: those kinds of guys know, I'm a pocket passer guy. Eli, Man,

1051
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 1: He's a pocket passer guy. Love Daniel Jones. Pocket passer

1052
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 1: guy with a capability. That's all cool. All right, let's

1053
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:15,760
Speaker 1: go back to the phone lines. We go to Jose

1054
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: your next on Big Blue Kick Off Live. Hello, how

1055
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 1: are you today? I'm good man. How are you doing?

1056
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: I'm doing good. I see you're flying solo. Then that

1057
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,760
Speaker 1: John abandoned you, that's all right, hey, no no problem

1058
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 1: at all. He's got some stuff to do. You can

1059
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: handle it. Man. Hey, So first of all, I haven't

1060
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Speaker 1: called you guys in a very long time. I hope

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Speaker 1: you're all doing well, sir, you too, Thank you appreciate it. Uh, Polly,

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Speaker 1: I just have a statement, and just something that I

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00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: want to ask real quick. Uh. The statement. I heard

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00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 1: you talk about Mike McIntosh, and I'm gonna go out

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00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: on the limb here and I'm gonna say that I

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00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: think he definitely will make the team down here in

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Speaker 1: Florida where I'm at. I've seen a lot of Miami

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00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: Hurricanes games, and I know that his health was something

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00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: he's had a whole year to rebuild. But one thing

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00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: that you see if you see tape on Macintosh, he

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00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: has the ability to shoot gaps. Yeah, he has the

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00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: ability to make himself skinny and put himself in areas

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00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: to to make plays. And I'm not saying that he's

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00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: gonna win like two on one battles, but one on

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00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: one in gaps he's really good. If you surround them

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00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,399
Speaker 1: with like two other good defensive lineman, he's definitely something

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00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: that can put in work. So I think that's one

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00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: thing I wanted to say about that. Well, he's a

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00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: penetrator and I remember his last year with the Hurricanes,

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Speaker 1: he had double digits in terms of tackles for losses

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00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: because he was sleek enough and quick enough to be

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00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: able to slice through to get into the backfield to

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00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: nail guys behind the line of scrimmage. Now, the only

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00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: thing is pass rush wise, he never had a lot

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00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: of sacks. He might have had what about seven or

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00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: eight total in his entire Hurricanes career, So he's never

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00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: got to be considered a pass rusher, I don't think.

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00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,720
Speaker 1: But he is a penetrator against the run. The question

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00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: becomes if you're the Giants. Now he's out about two

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00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 1: eighty's he Matt's about two three pounds. I think they're

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00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,479
Speaker 1: listening to Matt. Let me see hold on a second,

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00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: before you do anything else, let me look him up.

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00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: Let me look him up. What are they putting him

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00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: at right now? Six eighty three is what McIntosh has

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00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 1: listed out on the current roster, which is actually down

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00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: a little bit from I think he was like to

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00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: ninety I think when he came in originally as a rookie.

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00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking if to me, he's not a defensive

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00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: tackle anymore, because when you look at the Giants depth chart,

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00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: you look at Tomlinson, who is more of a pure

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00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. Dexter Lawrence is obviously in the three four.

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00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: He's more of the plugger, the defensive tackle. You know,

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00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: who's gonna take up a double team, right, So they've

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00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: got two guys like that who can do that. And

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00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: if John Jenkins makes it not a load, he will

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00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: he's also in that mold. So to me, Macintosh is

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00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: more of a three four defensive end if you follow

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00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because you'll probably play a lot of

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00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: four and five man runts with three down linemen, and

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00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 1: I think McIntosh plays more of the role of like

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00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: what P. J. Hill does. He's more of the athletic,

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00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: penetrating type of defensive end in that style of alignment.

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00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: And to me, if he can prove at this level

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Speaker 1: that he can penetrate and get beyond the line of

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00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: scrimmage and get through those crasies you're talking about, that's

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00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: his way to make the team. If he doesn't, I

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00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: don't see how he can make it because he's not

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00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: going to take on NFL double teams, right and you

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00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: know what, And also you gotta think it. Yes, Betcheer

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00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: does run that three for but he changes it around

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00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: every now and then. I think a lot. He's somebody

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00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: to bring. Yeah, absolutely, I think he definitely. I honestly

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00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 1: think he'll make the team. I'll be surprised if he

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00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 1: doesn't unless unless his production like completely drops. I think

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Speaker 1: with a year to heal and him get use in

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00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: the system using because he's he's very athletic, and yes

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00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: he's a little light, but I think he worked his

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00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: way around that. But boy, I don't want to take

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Speaker 1: too much time out. The reason why I was calling

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Speaker 1: is I've been hearing I know I haven't been calling,

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00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: but I've been hearing your shows, and you guys talked

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00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 1: about the offensive line and how how veteran's gotten and

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00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: I completely believe it. With the players that we have

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00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: in the in our secondary as well, I just want

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00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: to caution some of our Giants fans and you'll probably

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00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: get calls maybe during the preseason of this. I can

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00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: tell you from again, I used to coach, and I

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00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: still coach a little bit down here in South Florida.

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00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 1: The cohesion of our offensive line is gonna need some

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00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: time to jail, and you know, there's there's gonna be things.

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00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: Like all these guys individually, they are very good players,

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00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: but they're gonna need to learn how to work with

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00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: each other, especially the right side of the line with

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00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: haw Apeo coming back. The same that said with the secondary,

1145
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: we have good veteran guys coming in there, but they

1146
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: got to learn their language and and be comfortable with

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00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 1: each other before we start seeing some extreme changes with

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00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 1: the way we play. And then just I just want

1149
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: to caution our Giant fans out that I have a

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00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: little patience and see what happens that the first couple

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01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: of games, you see that we might be giving up points,

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01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: or there's some misassignments or some misreads. It's gonna happen

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01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 1: because they needed a while to jail. And I think

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01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 1: by by week three or by week four, we'll be

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01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: up and running well. I think that's why when I

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01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: said on our on our question that was posted on

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Speaker 1: the Giants website, what what are the what's the toughest

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01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 1: group of games on the Giant schedule? And and I

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01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: didn't look at it from an opponent's perspective. I looked

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01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 1: at it from the Giant's own perspective. When you look

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01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: in the mirror, the first month of the season for

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01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: the Giants is gonna be tough because they're trying to

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01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: feel their way and find out who they are. And

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01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: you know that's the that's the correct answer here. It's

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01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: not about the opponents. It's about the Giants trying to

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01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: figure out what they're identity is. That's their toughest opponent

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01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:53,439
Speaker 1: right now because they're trying to improve. So so here's

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Speaker 1: what I will say to you, though. Here here's the

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01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 1: one thing I want to I want to say that

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01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 1: should give you a little bit of optimism. Last year,

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01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: midway through the season, Okay, when the Giants finally settled

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01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 1: on what was their third center, which was a Spencer Pulley,

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01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: right right the week before the bye and he played

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Speaker 1: terrific for the rest of the season. And if you remember,

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01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: right there at the bye week, they wound up picking

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01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 1: up Jimon Brown off of waivers and he wound up

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01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 1: being inserted into the starting lineup, and the Giants starting

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01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 1: five offensive lineman without any opportunity of an off season

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01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: or a chance to gel to five the odds and

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01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: actually played well as a five man unit during the

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01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 1: second half of the season. They didn't make any changes

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01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 1: to those five guys Soldier Hernandez, Pulley, Brown, and Um

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01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 1: and the Wheeler and and yeah, I understand Wheeler had

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01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: some trouble with with higher level players, and we get that,

1185
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 1: but it was clear that the Giants offensive line was

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01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: actually functional during the second half of the season, and

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01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 1: they did that without any training camp or extended time

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01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 1: to work with each other. So I do think, I

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01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 1: do think that Zeidler and Ramers, being longtime veterans in

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01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 1: this league, I have a hunch that the Giants offensive

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01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: line is gonna come together a lot quicker than they

1192
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: than they really should. I think it's gonna work out

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01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 1: real well for them. The secondary is another situation though,

1194
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 1: because there's so many young guys back there, right. But

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01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 1: that'll be a pleasant surprise to me, Paul. And the

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01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 1: reason why I say that is because what you mentioned

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Speaker 1: towards the end of the year. Yeah, we definitely saw

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01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 1: unimprovement in an offensive line, which you're looking at players

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Speaker 1: that were on the team. They are just in different levels.

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01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: Now we're bringing the whole right side of the line. Well,

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01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: Brown wasn't on the team. Remember he was claimed in

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01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: the middle of the year. He was He was a

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01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 1: total newcomer. Now, who did Jamon Brown? He started a

1204
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: right guard. He came in from the outside. He wasn't

1205
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: he wasn't on the team. He knew nothing about the

1206
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 1: Giants when he out here, and and he hit the

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01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 1: ground running right. And one thing that I am thinking

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01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 1: about two is actually was with Sherman, Yes, and also

1209
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 1: with coach Shula in Carolina. Yeah, he he knows Sherman's

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01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 1: offense in Minnesota, nos Schuler's offense from Carolina. And actually

1211
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 1: said the reason he came here was a because he

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01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 1: wanted to be a right tackle again, which Minnesota had

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01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 1: moved them the right guard last year, and he believes

1214
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 1: that right tackles his best spot. And the other thing

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01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 1: was he said, I know coach coach Shermer what he

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01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 1: does and how he runs an offense from being d

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Speaker 1: O C in Minnesota, and this is the perfect offense

1218
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 1: for me. So I I honestly got a feeling that

1219
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 1: the Giants offensive line is not gonna need as much

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01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 1: time to gel as an offensive line might usually in

1221
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 1: these days and times of the NFL. I suspect they're

1222
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 1: gonna come together pretty quickly. The secondary is where my

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01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 1: biggest question marks it to be, because those guys are

1224
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 1: young and they're going to make mistakes. The question is

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01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: when will they make them? Will the other teams take

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01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: advantage of those mistakes? And then will the Giants have

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01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 1: enough offensively in situations where they're giving up mistake filled

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01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: points that the offense can overcome them. And that's right there,

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01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 1: that's it, Y and I agree, and I think they

1230
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 1: need to go on sustained drives to understand that, you know,

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01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 1: and when they and I think when when they have

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01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 1: opportunities to be in the green zone, like Tommy say,

1233
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 1: take advantage, we need to get seven instead of three.

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01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 1: The right on the head there, But hey, listen, I

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01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 1: appreciate you taking my call. Alright, sir, all the best

1236
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 1: of healthy you and your family to enjoy the summer.

1237
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 1: Please call again again. This comes down to can the

1238
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 1: Giants offense now control the tempo of these games? Can

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01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: they dictate how often the defense is on the field,

1240
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 1: and can they make sure that the defense is not

1241
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 1: put in bad and dangerous positions on the field. Give

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01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: them long fields, give them long periods of rest on

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01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 1: the sideline. Go into the fourth quarter and into the

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01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: middle of the fourth quarter with more than a three

1245
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 1: point lead, with more than a seven point lead, so

1246
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 1: that these young defensive players are not walking a tight rope.

1247
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 1: That's the kind of thing that this Giant's offense wants

1248
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:33,919
Speaker 1: to be able to do. They want to be able

1249
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 1: to dictate enough so that they can create a safety

1250
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 1: cushion so that those youngsters on defense can have some

1251
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: time to learn and gel. This could be a much much,

1252
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 1: not only better Giants team, but a much more fun

1253
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 1: team to watch, because when your offense dictates a lot

1254
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 1: of things like that, it can be a real pleasure.

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01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 1: Two or one three is our number. We are here

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01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 1: Monday to at a twelve pm Eastern Time till one o'clock,

1257
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 1: or catch us on hashtag giants chat on Twitter. I

1258
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 1: am at Giants WFN, but John Schmilk, I'm Paul Detino.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you again next time.