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Speaker 1: Conversations on life, style, beauty, and relationships. It's the Velvet's

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Speaker 1: Edge podcast with Kelly Henderson.

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Speaker 2: Shawna Van Bogart is here with us today. She is

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Speaker 2: a self leadership expert with an intuition edge, which intuitive edge,

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Speaker 2: which I love. I loved tying them both together and

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Speaker 2: I wanted to tell the listeners just a full disclosure

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Speaker 2: about what happened yesterday because they know me and they

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Speaker 2: will appreciate this because I think it will give them

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Speaker 2: insight into the work that you do. But Shauna and

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Speaker 2: I were supposed to record yesterday and I was just

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Speaker 2: having one of those impath days, like I have been

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Speaker 2: going through a little bit of a release of some sort.

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Speaker 2: And for all my highly sensitive people who listen to

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Speaker 2: this podcast, you know that sometimes when you're in it,

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Speaker 2: it just like takes you out. And thankfully Shauna was

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Speaker 2: a person that I've felt comfortable enough, not even knowing,

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Speaker 2: but knowing what you do and kind of how you're

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Speaker 2: wired based on your website, I just thought you might understand,

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Speaker 2: So tell me what happened when I reached out to

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Speaker 2: you where you you were like, I get a girl,

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Speaker 2: I could totally get this.

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Speaker 3: I was I knew exactly where you were at. We

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Speaker 3: had already done photo reads, so honestly, I wouldn't be

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Speaker 3: surprised if it was a little bit tied together. Really, yeah,

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Speaker 3: because a lot of times when I do those reads

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Speaker 3: for women later, like two weeks later, they're like, I

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Speaker 3: don't know what happened, but I've been so emotional, and

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Speaker 3: I'm like, well, you're probably releasing. I just think the

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Speaker 3: power of being seen, Oh yeah, levels that like other

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Speaker 3: people don't typically see that inner world is really powerful.

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Speaker 2: Well, as you said that, my eyes started twitching, So

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Speaker 2: I think that you might be right. I've been having

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Speaker 2: this weird eye twitch, which I learned in somatic therapy

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Speaker 2: is typically when emotions are ready to come out and

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Speaker 2: they're not.

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Speaker 4: Quite releasing fully.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, something you must be saying to me is

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Speaker 2: definitely resonating with my soul for sure.

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Speaker 3: Well, we can't hide from it anymore if we get

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Speaker 3: called out on something or we're yeah, like called out

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Speaker 3: in a good way, in a bad way, not bad

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Speaker 3: or whatever, you know, And so once something comes to

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Speaker 3: and then things can unfold.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're going to talk about the photoat in

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Speaker 2: a second, because I told you before the podcast I

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Speaker 2: find this skill set of yours so fascinating. But first,

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Speaker 2: just will you tell the listeners what is a self

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Speaker 2: leadership expert?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? So, I have been in the field of working

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Speaker 3: with people for over fifteen years and this is a

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Speaker 3: term that exists. I did not make it up, but

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Speaker 3: it is the best term that I have found presently

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Speaker 3: to capture what I do, and that's really to help

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Speaker 3: people have the best relationship they can have with themselves,

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Speaker 3: because I believe that to be kind of the core

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Speaker 3: facet of performance. And so I work with women that

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Speaker 3: are high performers, high achievers in various different careers, usually CEOs,

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Speaker 3: value in inside out approach to getting results in their life.

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Speaker 3: So I'm kind of the person who gets their inside

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Speaker 4: What do you mean an inside out approach.

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Speaker 3: Crafting and honing your inner world, your attitudes, your beliefs,

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Speaker 3: your energy systems, you know, operating from your intuition and

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Speaker 3: and determination, anything having to do with limiting beliefs, healing

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Speaker 3: anything that happens on the inside, because we know that

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Speaker 3: our you know, subconscious system is driving most of our

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Speaker 3: not allowing ourselves to be in our desire, chasing our goals.

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Speaker 3: So I'm really working with women on this mind but

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll also get into that a little bit because

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Speaker 2: But what I want to know about what happened in

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Speaker 3: Well, I loved knowing and seeing how we could use

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I identify with that so much, so many times

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Speaker 2: it is an inside job. You're so right, Like, obviously

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's it's I hate to be like

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Speaker 2: Wait, what is the difference between confidence and self esteem?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, confidence is definitely more of an external thing. You

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Speaker 3: So once an exterior game. You can use resources and

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Speaker 2: Like if you think about during COVID times, a lot

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Speaker 3: And it's not about not savoring and applauding and having

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Speaker 2: And you do you keep chasing the thing, and especially

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Speaker 2: So it's so easy to get wrapped up in that,

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Speaker 2: It's like the more success you get, you almost have

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Speaker 3: So I believe at our core, you know, we come

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Speaker 2: Literally, she sends me an email almost like send me

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really bizarre. So okay, what a photo read is?

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Speaker 3: I can see wounding. Sometimes I can see which side,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you've obviously tapped into yours.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: There are sometimes where yeah, you just to me, it's

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Speaker 2: feeling or a bad feeling, and.

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Speaker 4: It is a very like.

440
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Speaker 2: I can try to talk myself out of it, but

441
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,959
Speaker 2: my initial feeling is always the thing that ends up

442
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 2: being true years later, even like I can try to

443
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 2: convince myself to like someone and then it's something will

444
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,160
Speaker 2: end up blowing up in my life in that relationship,

445
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,680
Speaker 2: and I go gudy, that first initial thought was always right.

446
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 2: But it's a feeling for me. It's like a knowing

447
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 2: in my body.

448
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,920
Speaker 3: Now that's been studied. Actually, so back in image consulting,

449
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 3: what intrigued me about image consulting was not so much

450
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 3: like the styling and all that. It was the art

451
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 3: of first impressions. Oh okay, So really, as an image consultant,

452
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 3: you're working a lot with the first impression, and you know,

453
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,679
Speaker 3: when they've done studies on this, it is true that

454
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Speaker 3: usually our first gut instinct is the correct one over time,

455
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 3: so it usually doesn't change. But most people, I mean,

456
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 3: we have that gut reaction. Most people shut that down

457
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 3: so fast and then they come back. They it just

458
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 3: gets flooded with all this other stimulation that we either

459
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 3: miss it or we talk ourselves out of it, and

460
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 3: then you know, yeah, we miss red flags perhaps.

461
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Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean I'm starting to now say to

462
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 2: myself the second I feel like I don't try to

463
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Speaker 2: make it make sense. I used to try to make

464
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 2: it make sense, and it's like, no, I'm not gonna

465
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Speaker 2: understand it because this is such a deeper sensing thing

466
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 2: I'm getting with this person's energy, and so those those

467
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 2: things are not going to present themselves to way later

468
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 2: down the road, if that person is even still on

469
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 2: the life. Now, I'm sort of like, if I get

470
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 2: the ick, I'm like out.

471
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Speaker 3: Yep, yep. And that's why I like, I have been

472
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 3: doing this all my life, I think because I didn't

473
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Speaker 3: understand it was intuition. I just thought, I'm an incredibly

474
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Speaker 3: aware of person and this is a first impression thing.

475
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Speaker 3: I mean, I think it just was very like scientific

476
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Speaker 3: in my mind.

477
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

478
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 3: It wasn't like some thing I don't know.

479
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Speaker 4: So that makes sense.

480
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 3: It just was like, yeah, I just read people. Well. Now,

481
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 3: the discernment that comes over time and practice is is

482
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 3: it because the person's having a bad moment or is

483
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 3: it because there's something about character that is not blending

484
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 3: with my system? Right? So, you know, because our first

485
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 3: impression can definitely be like we just got pulled over

486
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,880
Speaker 3: by the cops, We're having a bad day, like whatever, right,

487
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 3: and so it could be circumstantial, not an actual character thing,

488
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 3: but discerning that just comes from a tremendous amount of practice.

489
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think I have clarity online.

490
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

491
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Speaker 2: Another thing you say on your website is be who

492
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 2: you need to be so you can do what you

493
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 2: came here to.

494
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Speaker 4: Do, which I loved.

495
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Speaker 2: And I think when we were talking about intuition, it

496
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,360
Speaker 2: is an easy thing to kind of go, oh, whatever, yeah,

497
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 2: or I'm not even that intuitive, you know, and everyone

498
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Speaker 2: has intuition, is what I'm always trying to say on

499
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Speaker 2: this podcast and one of the things that you brought

500
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 2: up to me yesterday when I asked you, you know,

501
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 2: really what you wanted to talk about was to help

502
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 2: that you're really your big purpose right now feels like

503
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 2: helping women cultivate this inner knowing for themselves and just

504
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 2: how that is really tied to reaching our goals and

505
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Speaker 2: having like peak performance. So why do we need to

506
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Speaker 2: be who we need to be so we can do

507
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Speaker 2: what we need to do?

508
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Speaker 3: First of all, it's easier, and second of all, when

509
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,400
Speaker 3: we claim, well, there's sort of like the general facets, right,

510
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 3: there's for women we need to claim this intuitive piece.

511
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Speaker 3: But then there's uniquely what is your expression to the world,

512
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 3: and that was unique to every single person. And usually

513
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 3: we can't get to the second one without the first

514
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Speaker 3: one because what shuts intuition down is reasoning, structure, facts, data,

515
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Speaker 3: And as you said earlier, intuition is very nonsensical. It's

516
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 3: knowing without knowing, and you have to be okay not

517
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 3: making sense of things. You just have to trust and

518
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 3: follow it. And some of the best inventors, leaders, innovators

519
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 3: in the world, they don't know why, they just feel

520
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 3: this is the right move to make, or this was

521
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 3: the right thing to create, you know, like and then

522
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 3: the context comes after the fact, so you know, and

523
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Speaker 3: then especially when you get into performance. One of my

524
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,880
Speaker 3: mentors years ago, when I was in this performance certification,

525
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 3: she was talking about fighter pilots in the Air Force

526
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Speaker 3: and how they ranked really high on intuition and how

527
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Speaker 3: you would find that really almost counterintuitive. You think they

528
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 3: would be high on logic and reasoning and all of

529
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Speaker 3: that to fly an airplane. And they were like, no,

530
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Speaker 3: we have to be in tutor. We're moving so fast,

531
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Speaker 3: we have to be in flow. You have to be

532
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Speaker 3: able to not only follow those instincts, but but trust

533
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Speaker 3: them so that you can follow them. So if you

534
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Speaker 3: want flow, and if you're here to perform and you're

535
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 3: here to do big things, at some point you're going

536
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 3: to have to own that intuitive piece because it's where

537
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 3: creativity lives, it's where ideas live. And you know, you

538
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 3: can't follow someone else's template into greatness. You've got to

539
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 3: carve your own path.

540
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 2: Oo, if I've tried that one, it doesn't work, just

541
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 2: doesn't work. Though you really can't. It's like, actually you can't.

542
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Speaker 2: So do men have the same level of intuition as women?

543
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Speaker 3: They do. They just don't. I would argue it doesn't

544
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 3: come as innate to them. Okay, but they do. I think,

545
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 3: you know, when we talk about the masculine feminine, it's

546
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Speaker 3: not gender based. It's more like the energy systems right

547
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 3: as humans, we embody both. It's more of a harmonizing

548
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 3: you know. It's not like a fifty to fifty that

549
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 3: we're looking for. It's more like having the right harmony.

550
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Speaker 3: And then we all have our unique style on top

551
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Speaker 3: of that, you know. And so you'll see men with

552
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 3: an incredible amount and women with an incredible amount of

553
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 3: drive and like, you know, discipline and structure in all

554
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Speaker 3: of that. And it's not that they're not using their intuition,

555
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Speaker 3: but if they were to go, you know what, there's

556
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Speaker 3: something to this intuitive piece that would allow me to

557
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,719
Speaker 3: perform faster, fly, higher, move quicker, you know, whatever it is,

558
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 3: they have the same ability that we do as women

559
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 3: to step into that. I don't know if it's as

560
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 3: well received as it is in women, because women instinctually

561
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 3: are When you think of intuition, usually a woman pops

562
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 3: into your mind, not a man. Yeah, so I think

563
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Speaker 3: men have just counted themselves out. But and by nature

564
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Speaker 3: of that. You know, it's hard to say, like because

565
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 3: they've counted themselves out of the stereotype of what we

566
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 3: associate with that word, they haven't cultivated it or are

567
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 3: they built in a way where they are at a

568
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 3: little bit of a deficit. I don't know the answer

569
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 3: to that. But everyone can cultivate it, and everyone has

570
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 3: the ability to be intuitive.

571
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Speaker 2: Also, wonder if it's like if if it's based on

572
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 2: different things, like maybe women can tap into more emotional intuition.

573
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Speaker 2: Men are more instinctual, like you were talking about in

574
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Speaker 2: the plane, like more the survivor instinct, the like fight

575
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: or flight, the protecting from predators.

576
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Speaker 4: I don't know.

577
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Speaker 2: I'm just thinking through like the difference between the masculine

578
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Speaker 2: and women in.

579
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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. And I think it's also the amount

580
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 3: of safety you carry with you in your system to

581
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 3: be authentic.

582
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

583
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 3: Again, if you've had a childhood where you've had to

584
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 3: minimize yourself and like you know, feel small, then usually

585
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 3: intuition is one of the first things that goes. And

586
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 3: so for men or women, if they have any kind

587
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 3: of dynamics like that, first you have to repair the self.

588
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 4: Trust God. That is so true.

589
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 2: I genuine like I had an experience with a person

590
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 2: last week that I'm in a relationship with that he

591
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 2: said to me when I reacted to this, which was

592
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: a really good reaction. When we first were having a

593
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 2: certain conversation, he totally chose based on intuition, and it

594
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: was such a healing emotion, like a beautiful conversation.

595
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

596
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 2: And then a week later we reconnected about that same

597
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 2: conversation and he started bringing in the narratives from his childhood,

598
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 2: the like structure he thought he should say, trying to

599
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: figure out the right thing to say, and it was

600
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 2: a disaster of a conversation. So it's so interesting that

601
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 2: we can just intuitively feel how to be with each

602
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: other and we end up getting ourselves into trouble, like

603
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 2: talking ourselves out of the actual beauty between each other.

604
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 3: See that's the self leadership piece right there, is like, Okay,

605
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 3: you're getting these hits, like women are getting these men

606
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 3: are getting these hits. Yeah, are they following them? And

607
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 3: there's so many reasons we interrupt the flow of those

608
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 3: and you know, part of it is self trust, but

609
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 3: also you know, because it's nonsensical. I'll tell a brief

610
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 3: story when I was pregnant with my daughter. I had

611
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 3: a dream during second trimester she was going to be breach.

612
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 3: And so then when they told me at about thirty

613
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 3: four thirty five weeks she's breach, I was like, okay,

614
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 3: well expected that and here goes and you know, we

615
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 3: were on a path of natural childbirth whatever, and so

616
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 3: they encouraged me to go do all these things. So

617
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 3: I did all the things to try to get her

618
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Speaker 3: to turn, and I just was like, I don't think

619
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 3: she's going to turn. And they wanted me to do

620
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 3: this ECV procedure, which is where the doctor, you like,

621
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 3: go in and they prep you as if you may

622
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 3: need an emergency C section, but the doctor will manually

623
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Speaker 3: try to turn the baby. And I've heard it's very painful,

624
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 3: like in your stomach. And they were really encouraging me

625
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 3: to do that because if they could get her to turn,

626
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 3: then I could stay the path. And I was like, listen,

627
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 3: I'm a flexible person. I'm not so rigidly holding to this.

628
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Speaker 3: And I was like, is it And I'm running this

629
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 3: through my system right and intuitively, I'm like, she's not

630
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 3: going to turn. She's not going to turn, And so

631
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Speaker 3: I went back and I said, I'm going to stick

632
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 3: with just having the sasareian. And I could see the

633
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 3: look of disappointment from the midwife and the nurse in

634
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 3: the room, and she was not coming down on me,

635
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 3: but I could tell that she really wanted me to

636
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Speaker 3: try it. And in that moment, I'm like, who am I.

637
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 3: I'm not an authority, I'm not an and here's this

638
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 3: person who knows better. And that happens a lot in

639
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 3: our lives. Is like the experts come in and they

640
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 3: tell us, you know, and so yeah, we want to

641
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 3: trust people, and there is a balance to that. For sure.

642
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 3: Self leadership is about having that really fine line of

643
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 3: discernment to go, I know you're an expert, and this

644
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 3: doesn't take anything away from you being an expert, but

645
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 3: I got to trust me here. And so then when

646
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 3: we delivered, the doctor was like, oh, I want to

647
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 3: have been able to turn her. She had one foot

648
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 3: stuck in my pelvis in one foot up doing the splits,

649
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 3: and so I was like, it was like the first

650
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 3: rite of passage into motherhood, like mother's intuition. I'm like, yeah,

651
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 3: we didn't do that, but it was I almost turned

652
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 3: back around and went back in there and said, you

653
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 3: know what, I'm gonna trust you and go do it.

654
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 3: It takes a lot of conviction to stick to that knowing.

655
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Speaker 2: It really does, and you would have just suffered through

656
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 2: something painful to note all you want.

657
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 3: It either and so traumatic for both of us.

658
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 4: Exactly. Yeah, crazy.

659
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 2: So you've talked about high achieving women, which I have

660
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 2: always been taught that when we are in our high

661
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: achieving state and we're really like there are a lot

662
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 2: of women who get into like a high business place,

663
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: start operating from their masculine and so it's like getting

664
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 2: back in touch with our women's intuition, our feminine energy

665
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 2: and all that stuff. But now we're talking about that

666
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 2: both men and women have intuition, So can you kind

667
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 2: of navigate that for me? Like, how if we're in

668
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 2: a masculine place in our work world, why do we

669
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 2: need to go back into the feminine or why are

670
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: we not able to tap into our intuition if we're

671
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 2: in the.

672
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 4: Masculine I don't know. Am I making sense with that?

673
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think I'm following you with that, Like why

674
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 3: the need to hone both systems?

675
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 4: Yeah?

676
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 3: Like why so anything taken to its extreme will become

677
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 3: its opposite. So if anyone is too extreme in their drive,

678
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 3: drive starts to become stubbornness or rigidity, okay, And the

679
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 3: way to harmonize that so that you don't fall into

680
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 3: the trap of being a workaholic and out and frankly,

681
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 3: when you're driving from that place, you're in such a

682
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 3: contracted state of sheer will power. There's no creativity flow there,

683
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 3: so you're probably not honestly thinking the best for the

684
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 3: state of growth for the stakeholders involved in the growth

685
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 3: of the company. It's sheer production, and there's a time

686
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 3: and a place for sheer production, and then there's a

687
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 3: time and a place for growth and creativity. But if

688
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 3: you are like driving and disciplined and highly structured in

689
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 3: all of this, it leaves very little room for flexibility

690
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 3: to pivot and to innovate. And so when we talk

691
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 3: about leadership, you really need both sides of the coin otherwise,

692
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 3: you know, and then on the other side, if you

693
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 3: don't have any drive or I put purpose in the

694
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 3: masculine category as well, if you don't have the discipline

695
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 3: and you're all just intuition, you're just kind of like

696
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 3: going over here and going over here and going over

697
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 3: care you know, like then the structure is not there

698
00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 3: to support the growth. So either way it has to

699
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 3: be harmonized correctly, otherwise it's going to become a limitation.

700
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 2: And so the okay, so it's basically learning how to

701
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 2: do the drive, have that balance, but then also take

702
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 2: a step back, pat back in really remember who you are,

703
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: the motivations, the creativity, all of that stuff will start flowing.

704
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, and even I work with a lot

705
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 3: of business owners, and so for them, it's so easy

706
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 3: to fall into the trap of thinking that it has

707
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 3: to look like this a steady growth. That's not how

708
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:33,240
Speaker 3: it looks.

709
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 2: It looks like this, yeah, or the cork screw is

710
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 2: the one I always do, like up and down and up.

711
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 4: That's just life.

712
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 3: It's just the way it's going to go. And you know,

713
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 3: for me, I've had many seasons in my career. Some

714
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 3: are highly productive and it's a lot about structure. And

715
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 3: then to me, it just kind of feels like weather,

716
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 3: Like weather comes in and I can just sniff it

717
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 3: out and I can tell time to step back, and

718
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 3: it's a season of almost regrouping and auditing and like

719
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 3: slowing down and maybe taking a down year in revenue

720
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 3: because to have the next big stage, I have to

721
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 3: have the space to regroup. There's a famous like adage

722
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 3: or metaphor about you know, shooting the arrow, and for

723
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 3: the arrow to have momentum, you have to pull it

724
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 3: back first. And there's an honoring of the seasons that

725
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 3: has to occur that I think sometimes women can struggle

726
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 3: with because again, stepping back to them looks like, oh

727
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 3: my gosh, I'm killing my momentum.

728
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

729
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, But to conceive and create the next big stage

730
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 3: it's equally as important.

731
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 2: That's the hard part, because that's what we talked about

732
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 2: at the beginning, where if if you're in the pullbacks eight,

733
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 2: you're trying to rest and relax, recoup all of the

734
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: things we shame ourselves. Yeah, we do. It's like a

735
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 2: constant cycle we do. Well, let's talk a little bit

736
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 2: more about the other things that you do. You've mentioned

737
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 2: a couple of times of high achieving women, and so

738
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 2: I know there's a business mentorship also paradigm shifts. So

739
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 2: can you talk through what both of those mean and

740
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 2: if people would be interested in working with you?

741
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, So everything we've talked about here without going like

742
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 3: too technical. It's like we can live in a paradigm

743
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 3: of worthiness or not. And a paradigm is a pattern.

744
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 3: And it's like again that worldview that gets set when

745
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 3: we're little and then it gets reinforced by our culture.

746
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 3: And for my audience of women, most of them live

747
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 3: in this paradigm of I've got to earn it. It's

748
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 3: got to be a struggle. If I didn't do it myself,

749
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 3: it doesn't count. You know, everything we've talked about, that's

750
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 3: a paradigm that they live in and it doesn't have

751
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 3: to be that way. So part of breaking out of

752
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 3: any kind of pattern is you have to pause, because

753
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 3: if you don't pause, then the pattern just keeps replicating itself.

754
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 3: And so the platform which you can find at start

755
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 3: Pausing dot com, the gateway to that would be this

756
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 3: five day mental reset, which is to really help women

757
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 3: who know they're in their heads too much, who know

758
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 3: that they maybe have a tendency to be like perfectionistic

759
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 3: and overly driven and they can't relax, you know, to

760
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 3: really find that harmony again, which will make everything, including

761
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 3: in their personal life, so much easier. So it's shifting

762
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 3: from one paradigm that our culture has told us and

763
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 3: prided this is the way, and really claiming and agreeing

764
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 3: with that there is another way to be in your

765
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 3: life that is not so much sacrifice.

766
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: I always talk about the power of the pause. That's

767
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:27,959
Speaker 2: why I was smiling when you were saying that. Yes,

768
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 2: the listeners are so familiar with that because I did

769
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: the opposite, and I, like I said, tried to follow

770
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 2: the rule book of someone else or many other people

771
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 2: for many years and it just led to such burnout

772
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:42,479
Speaker 2: and complete collapse. Yeah, but it was ultimately the best

773
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 2: thing for me because it has taught me a little

774
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 2: bit more about balance and I struggle with it still.

775
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 2: It's like an ongoing thing. But even allowing myself yesterday

776
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 2: to reach out to you was like such progress for

777
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 2: me because I would have just powered through in the past,

778
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 2: you know. And sometimes we just have to pause and

779
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 2: give ourselves a space.

780
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 3: Well, that's where life is actually created, is in the pause.

781
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 3: It's not in the do yeah, because the pause is

782
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 3: where we have that choice point of going do I

783
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 3: want to continue this way or is there another choice?

784
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 3: And there is and you can't do that if you

785
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 3: don't pause. So I'm curious for you, like what prevented

786
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 3: you from pausing before you kind of had it? Sounds

787
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 3: like you got a force pause.

788
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 4: I did have a forced pause.

789
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,720
Speaker 2: I think what prevented me was definitely feeling like opportunities

790
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 2: were coming and if I stopped, I would miss them.

791
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 4: That was a big one.

792
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 2: But then what happened is the more opportunities that came,

793
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 2: I did not really know exactly how to outsource, and

794
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 2: so I just had so much on my plate and

795
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 2: there wasn't any space in my.

796
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 4: Life for a life at all.

797
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 2: Like I couldn't date, I was only working basically, I

798
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 2: barely saw my friends, and I was in a season.

799
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 2: Sometimes I do think there's seasons of that where you're

800
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 2: just like, Yeah, these opportunities are here, I need to

801
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 2: like go into them. But then what happened is I

802
00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 2: would try to start having a life, and the the

803
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 2: decisions I was making in my personal life because I

804
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 2: wasn't allowing myself to tap into my intuition and stop

805
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 2: ended up being the thing that brought me to my

806
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,479
Speaker 2: knees because I was surrounding myself with people who weren't

807
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 2: good for me, you know, in relationship and work dynamics

808
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 2: and things like that. And so yeah, it just ended up.

809
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 2: I always I'm like, oh my god, I feel like

810
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 2: I had a mental breakdown, But I truthfully, I know

811
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 2: it was my own intuition being like you have to

812
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 2: stop and the contracts that I made before I came here.

813
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 2: If you're a sole person like me, like I always

814
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 2: just feel like those people just did exactly what they

815
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 2: needed to do in my life to get me to

816
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 2: actually stop and get to know myself again. Even though

817
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 2: it was painful, it was still the best thing. I

818
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 2: always say that, although like I went through some a

819
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 2: couple years of just really like kind of cleaning things

820
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: out and it was very painful and hard, it really

821
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 2: did bring me back to me. So that's why your

822
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 2: statement was so profound to me, because I'm like, that

823
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 2: is it. It's not like you have get to know yourself,

824
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 2: but it's like who am I? And where did I

825
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 2: get lost along this way? It's just like shifting you

826
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 2: back onto the right path.

827
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. I just so appreciate that approach because to me,

828
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 3: that's everything. It's like, Okay, challenge, challenge, challenge, and a

829
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 3: lot of times it is like the universe or whatever

830
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 3: getting louder and louder because you're not paying attention.

831
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 4: And I'll try.

832
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll definitely I'll be like like oh.

833
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 4: Like no, no, no, no, We're going on this path

834
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 4: for sure.

835
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 3: Because we don't want to stop. Because here's the thing.

836
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 3: It feels so good to achieve, and it feels so

837
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 3: good to be driven, and it feels so good to

838
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 3: experience the satisfaction of like being in our element. But

839
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 3: it also feels really good to be taken care of

840
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 3: and to relax and to be like and to receive

841
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 3: and to feel like, Okay, I felt this great in

842
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 3: my office, but the moment I walk out the store,

843
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be with my daughter, and I also feel

844
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 3: relaxed and like I want I want all of it.

845
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 3: I don't want to just feel good thriving in my career.

846
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 3: And I feel like for me that was such my

847
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 3: baby was my career, and it just started to feel

848
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 3: like like well and then in my personal life exactly,

849
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 3: and it's like I want it it all. I want

850
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 3: to feel good in all the spaces. I really want

851
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 3: to lay my head on my pillow at night and

852
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 3: genuinely feel like I'm a great wife and I'm a

853
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 3: great mom, and I want my kids to be able

854
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,479
Speaker 3: to see a relaxed mom, not just a productive, awesome mom,

855
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 3: you know, And so you shouldn't have to get to

856
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 3: burn out to learn those lessons, but we all do it,

857
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 3: and sometimes that's just how it's going to show up

858
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 3: for us. But I love that you're able to leverage

859
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 3: those as catalysts for massive growth because that's the only

860
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 3: way I know how to see it. And I'm like

861
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 3: so thankful for those moments in my life because they

862
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 3: fundamentally change everything for me in the most possible ways.

863
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 2: Me too, mostly in the way of having a relationship

864
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 2: with myself at all, because when you're in the doing

865
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 2: space of the go go go, go, go, achieve, achivachiev

866
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: achieve again, we're just such we're driving so much that

867
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 2: our intuition is the thing that tells us, like when

868
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 2: to stop, take care of yourself, when to eat for me,

869
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: when to sleep. When you know, it's like all those

870
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 2: basic needs go under the table. And then also like

871
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 2: I was just lonely. I didn't realize it, but man,

872
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 2: I mean I looked on the outside like I had

873
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Speaker 2: it all together. Yeah, the thing that was like the

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Speaker 2: driving force in most of my days was seeking connection

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Speaker 2: and mostly with myself.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Yes, there's like this longing that women

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Speaker 3: feel and they're like, I don't know what it is

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Speaker 3: because I've got this and I've got this and people

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Speaker 3: around me, and there's just this longing and it's in

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Speaker 3: my heart center and I what is that, Shauna. I'm like,

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Speaker 3: it's you.

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Speaker 4: You're right, you miss you.

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Speaker 2: Because if you're giving it all away, like you're just

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Speaker 2: giving it all away, that's it. And if you start

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Speaker 2: from it like that place and you're just achieving like

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00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 2: that and just giving and giving and giving, eventually it

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00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 2: does catch up with you. It is because we have

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Speaker 2: to give to ourselves first, is what I've learned. And

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Speaker 2: it gets so much harder than it sounds.

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Speaker 3: Well. And I do want to say this because this

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Speaker 3: is a good respective shift that I tell a lot

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Speaker 3: of my clients. It's like, here's the deal. No one's

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Speaker 3: telling you to give less, because I know I've worked

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Speaker 3: with women for a long time and listen, they there

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Speaker 3: is an addiction to giving a lot. If you're going

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Speaker 3: to give at that level, totally cool, and you should

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Speaker 3: because you have a capacity for it. Just meet it

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Speaker 3: with the same amount of receiving for yourself so that

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Speaker 3: you can give. And I think sometimes when we have

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Speaker 3: the giving conversation or like fill your own cup first,

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Speaker 3: women are like I have people that I'm responsible for

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Speaker 3: and they feel like you're telling them to give less

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Speaker 3: and that message really does not drive with women.

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Speaker 2: So it's so interesting. That is a great point. I've

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Speaker 2: never thought about that.

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Speaker 3: I just think like own it, like give what you're

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Speaker 3: going to give, but build the capacity, which is the

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Speaker 3: work that I do to be able to receive what

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Speaker 3: you need to receive to stay flu so you can

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Speaker 3: keep the cycle of energy going.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, ah, that is good. Okay, Shauna.

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Speaker 2: If people want to keep up with you or work

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Speaker 2: with you, where would they find you.

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Speaker 3: I'm Shanna van Bogart everywhere, including my website, Instagram, and

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Speaker 3: then check out start pausing dot com.

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Speaker 2: Start pausing dot com. I will put that all into

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Speaker 2: description of the this podcast for you guys, thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for yesterday, for today with the photo read

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Speaker 2: all the things you guys, go get your photo red.

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Speaker 2: It's fascinating. I mean, she nailed me so hardcore, and

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Speaker 2: before you know it, I might be behind a mic because.

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Speaker 3: That was a part of I'm telling you it can.

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Speaker 2: I'm behind a mic right now, but she kept saying,

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Speaker 2: I see you singing.

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Speaker 3: I still do. I'm like, there's something there, there's something,

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Speaker 3: even if it's just for your private little like, there's

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Speaker 3: something about it for you. I'm telling you it has

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Speaker 3: not left me and I'm like, there's something.

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Speaker 2: There that's hilarious because the listeners have also heard me

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Speaker 2: try to sing as a joke with my co host

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Speaker 2: on Fridays and it does not go well Shawna.

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Speaker 4: So we shall see.

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Speaker 2: But I will keep you guys posting on that singing again.

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Speaker 2: I will put all the Shana's info in the description

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Speaker 2: of this podcast co checker out. Thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for being here.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Velvet's Edge podcast with Kelly Henderson,

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Speaker 1: where we believe everyone has a little velvet and a

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