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We also have a pretty stunning I wasn't 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:03.640 didn't have my eyes on this. Andy Ogles, who is 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:07.000 a top Trump ally Maga guy, has said some of 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:10.039 the most incendiary things of anyone in the Republican Caucus 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:14.320 defeated in a Republican primary in Tennessee. We've also got 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:17.199 some wild stuff happening with regard to Ai Garrison. Lovely 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:18.960 is going to join us to tell us just how 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:22.000 freaked out we should be. We got some third way 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:26.240 Shenanigans planning to thwart the rise of the left. I 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:29.399 think some of their true colors showing there. And then Ryan, 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:32.720 you've got a candidate from Minnesota who's planning to join 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:34.240 us as well. Give us the breakdown there. 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:39.800 Yeah, the primary Minnesota is this coming Tuesday, and there's 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:43.360 going to be the marquee race is Angie Craig, who 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:47.280 currently represents a second Minnesota district against Peggy Flanagan. So 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:51.120 it's kind of another centrist, kind of insurgent campaign. Peggy 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:54.160 Flanning in the kind of progressive lieutenant governor there to 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:57.200 replace Angie Craig, who's kind of corporate Democrat. There's a 0:01:57.240 --> 0:02:01.800 three way race among well, now I'm going to sound 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:03.880 like a fool. It's a three way race among three people. 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:07.480 One of them is Matt Little, who in the last 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:11.040 couple of months of the race was well ahead but 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:15.480 has seen this influx of money from three to fourteen 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:19.400 action you know, which is the pro Science, Pro Doctor pack, 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:21.120 which has gotten a bunch of money from a pack 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:25.000 but which says it doesn't do APAX stuff anymore. And 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:30.200 these three kind of women's rights packs who also have 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:31.919 gotten a lot of money from a pack, and d 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:34.959 MFI but some of them have said, well, this is 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:38.200 an APAC money below, although money is fungible, and so 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:40.239 a ton of this super pac money is flooding in 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:42.600 at the very end to try to stop Matt Little 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:46.799 from being kind of the next house insurgent. He doesn't 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:50.520 have the kind of entire Bernie Justice Democrats wing when 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:53.240 he's got the Congressional Progressive Caucus pack and Keith Allison 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:57.040 and he's so and he also has American priorities, which 0:02:57.120 --> 0:03:00.760 is the uh the anti a pack pack that came 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:04.080 in yesterday to start spending on his behalf against these packs. 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:06.400 So we'll be hearing from him later. 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:09.040 How's the Craig Flanagan race looking at this point? That 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:10.119 one looks to be pretty tight. 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:14.880 Flannagan has been up consistently throughout it by a few points. 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:17.520 A poll came out in the last couple of days 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:20.840 that had Antie Craig up by two points. Because of 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:26.600 the polling miss in Michigan, Flannagan's supporters are quite nervous. 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:30.079 They'd much rather be going in with a not neck 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:34.360 and neck against Antie Craig, who's gotten just absolutely enormous 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:39.560 amounts of dark money also, so it's going to be 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:41.000 they're thinking it's going to be very close. 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:41.920 Yeah. 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:43.680 I feel like Flanagan is a little bit less of 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:45.720 a lightning rod than Abdula side. I mean, she's the 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:50.000 current lieutenant governor, so more sort of acceptable within mainstream 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:55.280 Democratic establishment. Do you know if Minnesota closure open primary, and. 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:58.440 She's also Native American, which makes it harder for the 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:05.320 center to like demogo her racially inside the Democratic Party, 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:10.440 it's open so however, so they have open primaries. However, 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:14.280 there there's a competitive Republican Senate race, and there's a 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:19.320 Republican as well governor gluminatorial primary. So the expectation is 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:22.120 that ninety nine percent of Republicans are going to vote 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:24.520 in their own primary, whereas in Michigan there was nothing 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:25.720 for them to really vote on. 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:27.159 Gotcha? 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:30.159 Okay, all right, well let's jump into these job numbers. 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:32.440 This just is out this morning, so we haven't gotten 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:34.440 to see a whole lot of analysis about what is 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:36.839 going on here. But this is from Heather Long, who 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:39.520 is you know, really a go to in terms of 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:43.120 her economic analysis. She says, just in a surprisingly bad 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:47.160 job report, the US economy lost twenty three thousand jobs 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:50.520 in July, way below expectations of plus eighty k. May 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:53.880 and June were revised down by a combined one hundred 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:57.840 and three thousand, So the unemployment rate dropped by zero 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:00.800 point one of a percent, but down, she says, for 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:03.320 the wrong reasons. Over two hundred and sixty thousand people 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:07.680 left the labor force, and wage growth at just three 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:12.080 point two percent, was wiped out entirely by inflation. You 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:14.599 can see the chart here up on the screen. You know, 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:18.560 the job market had had been looking stronger than it 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:21.919 did last year. You could see prior to the past 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:24.360 couple of months you'd had these you know, you'd gain 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:27.640 a little, you'd lose some, back and forth. You had 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:31.480 three straight months of not amazing growth, but some growth, 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:35.040 and now we're back to the pattern of job losses 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:38.120 and once again, and this has really become a key pattern, 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:42.960 significant downward revisions for the previous months. So you know, Emily, 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:44.719 what are you what are you taking from this? 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:47.479 Well, yeah, I'm just looking at some of the early 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:50.360 coverage here. It's already been described as very disappointing on 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:51.640 Fox Business. 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:54.479 Entirely surprise. I'm not sure what the. 0:05:56.080 --> 0:06:00.680 One to say that, that's her language. Very disappointed the numbers. 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:02.520 I'm very concerned. 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:05.880 Not sure what else you would do with these numbers, 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:09.640 but at the very least call them disappointing. Also looking like, 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:12.600 as you mentioned, how they're long noting people dropping out 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:16.120 of the labor force, so obviously not a good sign, 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:18.520 not a good Uh, there's a little bit of a 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:20.560 red flag, we could say, right off the right off 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:24.440 the bat there and the downward revisions. Zero Hedge has 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:28.880 already referred to that as a Biden trick. So you 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:32.279 see the Trump administration just being flamed across the board 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:35.680 for the job report so far. And Ryan, is there 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:37.839 anything it looks like I was trying to look at 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:41.680 what Heather Lung saw the losses were in most is 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:44.880 there anything that stands out to you in the early 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:45.479 numbers here. 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:51.880 I'm still looking through the precise numbers by by industry, 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:53.880 but maybe by the end of the show some more 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:58.719 thoughts on that. But the only potential silver lining for 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:01.480 Trump as he's eyeing these job numbers, you know he 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:04.560 wants he wants rate cuts. You know, he put in 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:10.840 his new Federal Reserve chair, Kevin worsh who immediately implemented 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:15.440 a new policy of not giving guidance of where he 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:17.720 wants to take the FED in the future, which is 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:21.720 a very odd move because it's not really ideological in 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:25.160 the sense that there was nobody really clamoring for this 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:29.720 other than just some real kind of pedantic kind of 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:34.000 Fed numbers people who his argument is this takes this 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:36.560 requires the market then to kind of guess where things 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:39.480 are going more and so it's more market friendly. 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:42.120 But it's just a very odd approach. 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:43.520 And what it does is it creates a lot more 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:47.560 risk because now none of these traders know, you know, 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:49.920 what the Fed is trying to do meeting to meeting, 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:53.720 So you get a lot more volatility. And when you 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:56.280 get more volatility, you have to price that in as 0:07:56.400 --> 0:08:02.160 higher interest rates. You're paying a risk premium. So his 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:06.200 first policy, Trump wants interest rates down. Warsh's first policy 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:11.640 drove for no reason, interest rates higher. Now Trump is 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:13.400 going to look at these numbers and say, okay, good, 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:17.240 this is a very bad economy. Therefore we need to 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:22.240 cut interest rates. But the whole point of cutting interest 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:25.560 rates is to grow the economy. So killing the economy 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:27.120 in order to kind of grow it is is a 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:28.000 little bit backwards. 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:30.680 But if you're Trump, well, the other and the other 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:34.320 issue is that hiking. You know, if you lower interest rates, 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:38.360 you may fuel more inflation. And inflation also, you know, 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:41.880 continues to be an issue obviously created by the combination 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:47.000 of Trump's tariffs, but more significantly lately the Iran war. 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:51.560 Mac I sent a posts from Heather Long and inflation 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:54.160 that maybe could pull up, so we can see how 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:54.680 that's going. 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:57.880 Go ahead, Ryan, Yeah, yeah, no, exactly to your point, 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:02.520 even though you have some wage growth I think of 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:06.440 three point two percent or something, inflation is running hotter 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:10.440 than that. So if you're at the Fed chair, you're 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:12.440 looking at that and thinking, well, I can't cut interest 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:15.880 rates because inflation is still crazy, Like inflation is still 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:16.440 a problem. 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:19.560 Yeah, And I mean you can just see it really 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:22.320 clearly in the chart here. With the war in Iran, 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:26.440 inflation jumps right up and so where wage gains had 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:31.040 been for a time outpacing inflation, meaning that if you 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:33.439 get an increase in your wage, you're actually feeling it 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:37.480 and being able to gain from it. Now, with inflation 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:42.040 spiking immediately after the launch of the Iran War, that 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:45.679 trend has been crushed. So this is the dynamic obviously 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:49.240 we saw during much of the Biden administration where inflation 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:51.959 was eating up all of the wage gains and more. 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:54.440 And that is why, you know, I think I think 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:57.480 that's the single biggest reason why Kamal Harris ends up losing. 0:09:57.559 --> 0:09:59.720 I think it's the single biggest reason why you saw 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:03.920 incumbents and incumbent parties around the entire globe losing because 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:06.920 people could tell month to month the way that their 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:10.680 economic situation was getting worse. So you continue to see 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:14.520 that dynamic now, all because of this horrific war of 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:18.440 choice that Trump decided to launch. No external factor created this. 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:20.959 He created this whole dynamic his entire self. 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:23.240 And the first thing I always look for in these 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:27.400 jobs numbers is healthcare because we've seen this incredible trend 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:30.000 over the last and it's not just related to Trump, 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:34.880 that the entire economy moving, you know, shedding jobs everywhere 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:39.319 and except for healthcare, partly because we're just getting older 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:42.880 and sicker as a society, but also because we have 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:46.080 all of these monopolies, private monopolies in the healthcare industry 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:49.760 that are just driving up costs, and so that like 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:54.960 that actually creates jobs in some jobs in the healthcare field. 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:58.160 It's like, it's hard to imagine a kind of worse 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:02.040 way to grow an economy overall. Like you kind of 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:04.240 just as a society, you want to be spending less, 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:07.280 you want to be healthier and spending less on healthcare. 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:10.640 We are sicker and spending more and so yet, so 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:17.360 yet again, in July, we grew twenty two thousand jobs 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:21.720 in the in the healthcare industry. The pace was slightly 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:24.920 lower than before, so while the entire rest so in 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:28.360 other words, the rest of the economy lost what forty 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:31.880 five thousand jobs, and it was only offset by the 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:35.920 fact that we keep growing jobs in this corrupt healthcare 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:39.320 sector that is not necessarily making us healthier. 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:45.520 The job losses hospitality or local government education, that's where 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:46.640 the losses were. 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:49.720 Yeah, that's what had the longest pointing out and also 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:52.840 pointing out, this is the lowest labor force participation rate, 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:56.320 participation rate in five years. That is a very very 0:11:56.360 --> 0:12:00.400 bad sign, lowest in five years. So people just giving 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:04.800 up on looking for work. And that's where the unemployment 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:08.600 rate looks. The unemployment rate it dipped like a percentage point, 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:12.319 but that's partially because there are so many people who 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:16.640 have just left the labor force. According to Heather Lungs analysis, 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:18.760 that's two million people since November. 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:21.640 Well, and think about what was happening back in February 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:24.319 twenty twenty one when we last had this low of 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:28.560 a labor force participation, we were still in COVID. So 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:32.640 you know, it's pretty grim when fewer people are working 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:35.360 now or even looking attempting to find a job than 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:37.120 they were during like the peak of COVID. 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:41.120 And the open question is what's going on with immigration, 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:46.920 Like how we don't exactly know is how many undocumented 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:53.760 people are basically self deporting because you know, just for 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:56.920 obvious reasons, that's a very difficult thing to measure, and 0:12:57.120 --> 0:13:00.800 we are putting absolutely enormous press sure on the immigrant 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:04.000 population on that, on that in particular, you know, who's 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:06.360 afraid that at any moment they're going to get caught 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:08.720 up and wind up a niced attention for a year 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:12.920 and live in these horrific conditions where they're getting headlines 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:16.120 about abuse and people dying in detention. So a lot 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:20.280 of people are legitimately, as Steven Miller intends, just leaving 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:25.800 and how and are I don't think that our BLS 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:28.480 is set up to kind of measure that effectively. 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:32.560 Yeah, they do measure native born workers, and usually that's 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:34.439 used as a proxy for this. I'm trying to pull 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:37.520 up to see if any there's analysis on this yet. 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:40.080 Like the numbers as we're coming to, everybody just dropped 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:42.280 and that's why we're kind of metabolizing them in real time. 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:45.000 But I think people do usually look at the. 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:48.400 Native born number, but I haven't seen significant analysis of 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:48.839 that yet. 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:54.200 While we have a couple more minutes before Garrison Lovely 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:57.439 joins us on AI, let's go ahead and talk a 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:01.000 little bit about this shock race in Tennessee. So Andy Ogles, 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:05.400 who has said all sorts of very evil, inflammatory, horrific 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:09.440 things about gay people, about Muslims, et cetera, top ally 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:13.120 of President Trump backed by President Trump lost. He's a 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:18.040 House Freedom Caucus member lost in a Republican primary to 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:22.560 a more sort of mainstream positioned figure named Charlie Hatcher, 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:25.400 who I believe was the AG secretary and backed by 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:30.400 some Tennessee elected officials. It says, backed by several prominent 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:36.360 establishment aligned Tennessee Republicans. I was talking to Justin from Tennessee, holler, like, 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:39.720 what the hell happened here? And there's a dynamic. This 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:41.800 is a very you know, red district. It was redrawn 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:44.560 to be even more read, Tennessee did a big redistricting 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:48.800 and Democrats, though, we're still somewhat hopeful that if Andy 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:52.000 Ogles was the nominee. He is so disliked in such 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:55.720 an odious character and really very lazy. He doesn't fundraise 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:59.360 or do anything either to like try to secure his seat. So, 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:02.560 in any they were hopeful that if Andy Ogles ended 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:04.600 up being the nominee, they might actually have a shot 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:07.560 at it in the fall. That will obviously be much 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:10.280 more of a long shot now with Ogles having lost 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:14.640 this primary, however, pretty stunning after he got the Trump 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:18.000 endorsement to be tossed out like this, and he's had, 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:21.240 you know, outside of his like inflammatory positioning language, et cetera, 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:26.200 you know, downright horrific language and positioning. He also has 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:30.440 had several sort of corruption scandals. There's this terrible thing. 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:32.800 I didn't know about this, but again this is from 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:35.920 Justin Flagg. This for me, there's this terrible thing where 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:42.000 he fundraised money for a children's burial area and memorial 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:45.520 and then didn't do it, and the money disappeared, and 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:48.160 we'll never answer any questions about what happened with the money. 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:50.560 Just to give one example of the sort of thing 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:55.240 that local news was covering and that his constituency presumably 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:57.480 knew about when they decided, you know, we're kind of 0:15:57.480 --> 0:15:58.200 done with this guy. 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:03.280 Yeah, you know, I got I interviewed Andy Ogles once 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:05.440 and I got the sense that he was This was 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:07.600 like probably five plus years ago. I got the sense 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:10.440 that he was really ambitious, and so this is uh, 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:12.400 you know, he was kind of seen as somebody he 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:14.200 was on Fox News a lot. He was kind of 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:16.760 seen as somebody who was I don't know, up and 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:21.560 coming and would be a rising I guess star on 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:26.640 the right. And so this is obviously a sign that's 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:29.160 not going to happen for Andy Ogles, who I think 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:34.000 it's also worth noting, was probably the biggest backer of 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:41.680 trying this like total kakamane ridiculous stunt to have legislation 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:45.440 that would allow Trump to serve three terms, and that 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:48.840 was one of his He talked about that constantly. 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:51.680 He pushed that constantly, And. 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:54.320 That actually gives you a sense of how I think 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:58.160 ambitious Andy Ogles was because that was for uh, you know, 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:01.480 the audience of Trump, the audians of one Trump, and 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:02.000 trying to. 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:03.680 Get in his good graces. 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:08.640 And my understanding is that McConnell world took it upon 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:12.680 themselves to nudge Andy Ooguls out of the House. 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:14.840 But also interesting that he's. 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:17.560 In the Nashville area, which is seeing you know, like Atlanta, 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:23.680 not as significant as Atlanta or probably Dallas or Charlotte, 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:26.720 but is seeing some as people moved to the sun Belt. 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:29.960 The migration to the Sun Belt's been unbelievable. I guess 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:33.040 Tennessee's not totally part of that, but like North Carolina, 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:38.480 those types of areas, Georgia is seeing some political differences 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:43.280 with millennials, younger people flocking to those urban areas. So 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:47.440 that's probably why they withdrew his district, honestly, But interesting 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:49.760 that it's kind of a part of those changes too. 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:54.160 Yeah, so it's apparently a part rural part suburban district 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:58.200 that yeah, was redrawn to be more red But yeah, 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:00.959 and the other dynamic here is you didn't raise any money, 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:04.120 he didn't do any tv ads. His opponent did have 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:07.199 some money come in for him, you know, making the 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:10.240 case that Ogels didn't care about Tennessee, wasn't focused on, 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:12.800 you know, delivering for people in the district, and apparently 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:13.639 that message landed. 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:17.320 Yeah, and he the details on that scandal. In twenty fourteen, 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:20.119 he raised something like twenty three thousand dollars on a 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:25.600 GoFundMe to build a burial ground for stillborn babies, which 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:28.879 is which is a tremendous idea, Like it is because 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:34.240 stillborn babies, don't you know, they exist in this kind 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:38.199 of nether world. There's been a push to give them 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:40.880 you know, social Security numbers. We you know, we had 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:44.639 a post full term still born ourselves back back in 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:49.160 two thousand and nine. It's absolutely devastating to go through 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:54.440 to then to raise money for that extremely noble purpose 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:57.840 and then to pocket all the money is about as 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:00.639 evil a thing as you can possibly and see above, 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:04.879 like it puts like this George Santos to shame on 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:07.520 what like on some of the awful stuff that he 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:12.480 was doing. Uh, and so it's it's nice to see, 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:14.800 you know, somebody who would do something like that at 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:18.880 least finally uh, you get something coming back to him. 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:22.480 I mean, arguably even worse is that he also had 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:23.399 a stul born baby. 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:26.680 That was the yes, yes, exactly. 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:29.520 Like to to know that pain and then to exploit 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:35.280 it anyway, yeah, is just it just yeah, unconscionable. 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:39.480 He obviously denies it, but people clearly people are buying 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:40.440 it because. 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:44.199 People put money then and there is no there is 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:46.360 no thing that he promised. 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:49.439 So you never accounted for where that money went. So right, 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:54.760 there's but it's like, yeah, so where's the money? Then, 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:59.160 one quick mention before we get to Garrison here. There 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:02.280 were some other Democratic gains in Tennessee. There was a 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:05.879 mayor's race that I think was a Trump fourteen town 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:08.360 that a Democrat was able narrowly to win. 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:08.920 There were some. 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:12.560 School boards actually that control flipped on, so there were 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:17.440 and Justin Pearson also was able to win the Democratic 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:19.520 primary that was expected. That's going to be very difficult 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:21.840 uphill race in terms of the general election in the 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:26.119 newly drawn district, but someone that has a large, justifiably 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:29.240 so large national profile and a lot of support from progressives. 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:31.600 All right, with all that being said, let's go ahead 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:36.680 and get to Garrison. All right, we've had a few 0:20:37.000 --> 0:20:40.800 very scary AI incidents recently that we were wanting to 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:43.199 get more information on. So joining us this morning is 0:20:43.280 --> 0:20:46.159 Garrison Lovely, who has done a fantastic job helping us 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:49.800 understand previous scary AI incidents. And he is a journalist 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:53.760 and also author of the forthcoming book Obsolete, which everybody 0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:55.640 should go ahead and pre order now. 0:20:55.800 --> 0:20:59.320 There it is beautify and beautiful. I've already read it. 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:01.919 I think, oh, thank you. The final cover is going 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:02.560 to be even cooler. 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:04.439 It'll be like a little cut out and open it 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:05.560 up and see the guy following. 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:07.719 Oh that's awesome. 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:10.199 I love that. Garrison. Welcome, Great to. 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:12.159 See you, Great to see you. Thanks for having me. 0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:14.520 So there's a number of things that have happened too, 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:18.160 in particular that we're tracking. Number one, you have AI 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:23.680 that has now been able to develop novel viruses. That's uncomfortable, 0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:26.080 But the one that I wanted to start with here, Mac, 0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:27.879 if you can put this element up on the screen. 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:31.359 Is we already knew that you had had this open 0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:34.600 ai security breach where an AI basically escaped the lab 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:37.960 and hacked multiple companies, So it went on like a 0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:38.680 crime spree. 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:41.440 Effectively, this was not immediately. 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:44.560 Detected, and Hugging Face had to sort of notify open 0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:46.560 Ai of what was going on here. Then open Ai, 0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:49.000 which had been testing this particular model, it's not one 0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:51.720 that's available for public release, had to go back in 0:21:51.840 --> 0:21:54.280 and figure out what happened here. Well, now we're getting 0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:58.440 a lot more details, Garrison about what happened here. Let 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:02.080 me read from this Twitter synopsis. More details emerge about 0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:05.600 the events surrounding the Hugging Face incident, candidly much wilder 0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:08.320 than I originally imagine. In early May, Opening I was 0:22:08.480 --> 0:22:12.159 testing an unreleased model on cybersecurity other tasks. Agents were 0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:15.560