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Speaker 1: Be Around with the NFL podcast Free Agency, What's free

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Speaker 1: about It? Welcome to another edition of the Around the

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Speaker 1: NFL Podcast. My name is Dan heads As I come

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Speaker 1: to you from a virtual room filled with some heroes,

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Speaker 1: Greg Rostal, Mark Sessler. Look at us, fancy new Mike's

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Speaker 1: trying to get it all figured out. We don't know

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Speaker 1: if anyone could hear us right now, but you know,

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Speaker 1: tech problems galore. We're working it out. We trust Ricky.

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Speaker 1: Do we trust Ricky? I don't know. It's it's definitely

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Speaker 1: not on Ricky, you know shee. We we have this

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Speaker 1: whole setup. I like it. It looks like Mark is

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Speaker 1: coming to us from another planet, which I appreciate. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, I've had a lot of UM issues in

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Speaker 1: the home studio, and so I this weekend, among other things,

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Speaker 1: I just blew up the home studio and I've reorganized

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Speaker 1: that is sort of essentially just fake like that's still

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Speaker 1: to come. I've I'm prepping that later. I didn't have

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Speaker 1: time to dress. It was that it was one of

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Speaker 1: those interesting Mark Sessler text weekends, and they happen occasionally.

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Speaker 1: UM and we love him for it. It's what makes

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Speaker 1: Mark a fascinating guy that sometimes when you're not in

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Speaker 1: direct contact with him, your way to communicate is he

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Speaker 1: just starts firing these texts, and sometimes he's coming from

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Speaker 1: a different place. Uh, like my parents are in town,

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Speaker 1: for instance, and you know when your parents are in town,

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Speaker 1: you're kind of in a different headspace, You're in a

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Speaker 1: his wife about it, and I'm just like, I love

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Speaker 1: this guy, but I can't really plug in. I'll have

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Speaker 1: to see him on hold on one minute here because

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Speaker 1: number one, um, that shows that I'm a true professional.

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Speaker 1: I'm always thinking about our craft. But number two, I

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Speaker 1: tend to like any time I've been texting Dan during

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Speaker 1: this parental visit bubble that he's in, I always end

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Speaker 1: the text with in parentheses. Don't worry about this now,

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Speaker 1: Ken discussed later like, I'm not asking for an immediate

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Speaker 1: response now, Greg, I don't know why what took you

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Speaker 1: four hours to respond to the text. You can you

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Speaker 1: do have definitely make me feel guilty because while your

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Speaker 1: texts indicate all you've thought about since our TV show

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Speaker 1: ended Friday was the aftermath of that the second we

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Speaker 1: I do. I even did tell Simone. I said, Dan

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Speaker 1: gonna get a response to Danna said, it is a

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Speaker 1: complete wild card if Greig gives even the smallest s

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Speaker 1: about this for specific issues. Yeah, you know, if you

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Speaker 1: don't want to get involved with all. Right, So we

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Speaker 1: have a lot to get to a lot Friday right

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Speaker 1: a ten o four Adam Schef, the Ops, the news

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Speaker 1: all of this, UM, But to start, why don't we

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Speaker 1: we want to connect with somebody who knows the team

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Speaker 1: as well as anyone. It's Tim Kawakami of the Athletic

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Speaker 1: and he just wrote a banger on Jimmy g and

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Speaker 1: talent level. Justin fields, Zack Wilson versus Mack john just

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Speaker 1: in the way the end of modern NFL's plane, the

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Speaker 1: way Josh Allen plays, the way Kylin Murray plays. Again, guys,

427
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Speaker 1: are this is not like a you know, just some

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Speaker 1: experimental thought. They've beat the forty Niners, they've beat them

429
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Speaker 1: at Patrick Mahomes slightly different. But you know, I think

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Speaker 1: you need to get into that if you're gonna give

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Speaker 1: up three, I mean I would have thought so anyway

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Speaker 1: that you gotta get into that world of talent. You

433
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Speaker 1: can't just try to get many Kirk cousins. But when

434
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Speaker 1: you give up the picks that they gave up, you

435
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Speaker 1: can't just do it to get another guy, and I

436
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Speaker 1: think matje I would think differently. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 1: like to, you know, I just don't I've seen that.

438
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Speaker 1: You know, we've all seen a ton of Alabama games.

439
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,639
Speaker 1: You can throw the ball, you can be accurate. I

440
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Speaker 1: think he's got slow feet and in the NFL, you

441
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 1: got slow feed people coming after you. Now the Brady

442
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Speaker 1: survives of a Brady. You know, he can move around.

443
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Speaker 1: There's some agility within the pocket. I just don't know that.

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Speaker 1: If you're just you're I just believe this is a

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Speaker 1: time to change some of the things that he wants

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Speaker 1: to do. I believe there's time to adapt some of

447
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Speaker 1: the things he wants to do with the outsized athletic talent.

448
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Speaker 1: And if you're a great coach, you should be able

449
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Speaker 1: to adjust an outsize athletic talent who can read the field,

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Speaker 1: who can make the passes. And I think this is

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Speaker 1: the year to do it. And again I could see

452
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Speaker 1: them thinking, well, at twelve, like you said, we're never

453
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Speaker 1: gonna we don't think we're gonna be in this high

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Speaker 1: for a long time. This is a great quarterback draft.

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Speaker 1: We like three of them. Let's go, let's go to

456
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Speaker 1: three and we'll be fine, and if we need to

457
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Speaker 1: make a maneuver within we're already at three, it's gonna

458
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Speaker 1: not gonna cost a ton more. But I would still

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Speaker 1: think they're gonna stay at three. I get all that logic.

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Speaker 1: I don't get it from Mac Jones. I really tell

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Speaker 1: a kid for Mac Jones, because I think you could

462
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Speaker 1: have you know what at highest were're gonna go to seven? Eight? Um,

463
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Speaker 1: Matt Jones, again, you're bidding against people who are trying

464
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Speaker 1: to get Trey Lance Za, Zack Wilson or or Justin Fields.

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Speaker 1: So why are you paying that price for somebody who

466
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Speaker 1: isn't going to get that any In my opinion, again,

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Speaker 1: we might all be wrong. Maybe Matt Jones is the

468
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Speaker 1: guy that everybody's raised. Maybe the Jaguars are now sweating

469
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Speaker 1: over Trevor Lawrence or Mac Jones. I don't know, but

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Speaker 1: I don't don't feel like that to me, and and

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Speaker 1: it certainly doesn't illustrated by the games they played, and

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Speaker 1: I think that we all watched. Tim. Thank you so

473
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Speaker 1: much for the insight, and make sure you follow everything

474
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Speaker 1: Tim writes on the Niners, because this guy is plugged

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Speaker 1: us as you could tell. Thank you, buddy, and good luck,

476
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Speaker 1: appreciate him. There he goes Tim Kawakami. Really interesting. And

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Speaker 1: you know one thing that I thought too about this,

478
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Speaker 1: because it is interesting now the way things shake out.

479
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Speaker 1: It started out being this draft is about Trevor Lawrence.

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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence, Trevor Lawrence, and it still is. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: be the number one overall pick. The Zach Wilson thing

482
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Speaker 1: has built up now where he's seen as a kind

483
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Speaker 1: of an elite prospect to a lot of people. Now,

484
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Speaker 1: So now you got one too, to give up as

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Speaker 1: much as San Francisco has to get to three and

486
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Speaker 1: maybe get the third best guy off the board when

487
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Speaker 1: there is a drop off in a lot of people's eyes.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting. But it also, like one thing I thought

489
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Speaker 1: when this went down, it gave them flexibility with the

490
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Speaker 1: big name that people don't know how to talk about

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Speaker 1: right now, Deshaun Watson. Uh. And every day you wake up,

492
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Speaker 1: you check your phone when you wake up, and there's

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Speaker 1: more lawsuits filed against this guy. And now there's a

494
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Speaker 1: report um from espn UM reportedly about um Watson reaching

495
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Speaker 1: out trying to settle with some and they're leading Instagram

496
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Speaker 1: posts and we we obviously don't know the whole story here,

497
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Speaker 1: but you just wonder if that third overall pick they

498
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Speaker 1: have options there, whether we want to go through the

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Speaker 1: draft or leverage that to go get Deshaun Watson, one

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Speaker 1: of the top five quarterbacks in the league. Or is

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson totally out of play right now? Is that

502
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Speaker 1: where he's at in his career and what a stunning

503
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Speaker 1: turn of events that has been over the last two weeks,

504
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Speaker 1: right or if all this Deshaun Watson news lit a

505
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Speaker 1: fire under the forty niners even more to go get

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Speaker 1: this pick and get this rookie that they were thinking about.

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Speaker 1: Kyle Sanan went to Mac Jones pro day. Apparently he

508
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Speaker 1: never goes to people's pro days, like quarterbacks par days

509
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Speaker 1: in person. It's the only one I guess he went to.

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Speaker 1: Whether they're trying, I don't know why they would telegraph things.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why they would put things out through

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Speaker 1: the media that they love Mac Jones. Unless they did,

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Speaker 1: there's no way we're gonna know. Who knows. Maybe it

514
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Speaker 1: is all for justin fields like we're gonna have to

515
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Speaker 1: wait until April, I think too to get those answers.

516
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Speaker 1: But people that seem to know. Kyle Shenna invest think

517
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Speaker 1: it probably is for for Mac Jones and that, and

518
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Speaker 1: people around the league think it is and that, and

519
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Speaker 1: the it would add up and the way Tim mentioned like,

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Speaker 1: isn't there anyone in the building that would say hold up?

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Speaker 1: It's like, no, it's Kyle Shanahan's team that's made it.

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Speaker 1: That's been clear throughout. John Lynch is there to execute

523
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Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan's vision, very much like Bill Bell checks GMS

524
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Speaker 1: are there to execute his vision. It is not the

525
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Speaker 1: John Lynch show. It's the Kyle Shanahan show, especially at quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And three first round pick sounds like a lot. Well,

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Speaker 1: first of all, the first one is the twelfth pick,

528
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Speaker 1: so you're moving up. It's really, you know, two extra

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Speaker 1: first round picks. I just think of that first draft

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Speaker 1: to keep mentioning it though, because the forty Niners never

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Speaker 1: got any greed for it. They had two first round

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Speaker 1: picks that year too, by the way, to start their

533
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Speaker 1: franchise off. They took Solomon Thomas and Ruben Foster. So

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Speaker 1: that's what two first round picks can sometimes do for you.

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Speaker 1: This is Kyle Shanahan laying a stake that this is

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Speaker 1: my future. I plan a B for the with the

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Speaker 1: forty Niners for as long as possible, and this is

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Speaker 1: gonna be my quarter back. I got to assume it's

539
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Speaker 1: for a very specific guy, and it's it's got to

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Speaker 1: it's probably a rookie. And maybe the Watson news, to

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Speaker 1: your point, Dan clarified it for him that that this

542
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Speaker 1: was gonna get too massy. You don't do this unless

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Speaker 1: you are crystal clear on certain that you're going to

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Speaker 1: get a quarterback you're in love with. And we know

545
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Speaker 1: it's not Trevor Lawrence and it's not Zack Wilson, so

546
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Speaker 1: there is someone sitting out there and maybe it is

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Speaker 1: Mac Jones. I still think that, you know, the Deshaun

548
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Speaker 1: Watson thing, to me is completely off the table. I

549
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Speaker 1: just don't know how any of this gets sorted out

550
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Speaker 1: before the draft. And no matter how much you like

551
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 1: the player, quarterback is about availability, and we don't even

552
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Speaker 1: know how this thing shakes out when he'll play next

553
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a there's a potential chance that if

554
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Speaker 1: a suspension comes down at some point that you don't

555
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Speaker 1: even have Deshaun Watson next season. So I don't know

556
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Speaker 1: how between now and the draft, these picks would have

557
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Speaker 1: been used as leverage to spice up that kind of

558
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Speaker 1: a deal, I mean a month ago, yes, and then

559
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: they'd be sitting there thinking, now we have to go

560
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Speaker 1: get someone. In my opinion, this looks like they fell

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Speaker 1: in love with someone at quarterback. Maybe it's Mac Jones,

562
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Speaker 1: maybe it's Lance. We don't know, and they're well, they're

563
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Speaker 1: really comfortable based on our talk with Tim too, having

564
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Speaker 1: having Jimmy g as part of the plan for next

565
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: season to ease that quarterback incorrectly, Well, I do wonder

566
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Speaker 1: too if they you know that that that to move

567
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Speaker 1: out of three, the Dolphins are getting good offer like

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Speaker 1: that they that that it was the Eagles potentially, who

569
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Speaker 1: Ian Rapaport mentioned had been moved, you know, somewhat interested

570
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Speaker 1: in moving up, but maybe it was only for Zach Wilson.

571
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: And then as Tim mentioned, maybe it's the Patriots who

572
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Speaker 1: who wanted to move up for Jones and they and

573
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Speaker 1: they felt the pressure that they needed to box someone out.

574
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Speaker 1: Like now, the timing of the trades and I know

575
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Speaker 1: we're gonna get to the Dolphins Eagles trade indicates that

576
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 1: to me, you know that they that there were other

577
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Speaker 1: offers that the fact that the Dolphins had another trade

578
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Speaker 1: ready to go five seconds later makes me think that

579
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Speaker 1: there was a lot of conversation about this number three

580
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Speaker 1: pick and backup plans, and the Dolphins basically had this

581
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Speaker 1: whole plan mapped out before they even made the trade

582
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Speaker 1: with the forty Niners, right, And you mentioned the Dolphins,

583
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Speaker 1: So the forty Niners. We've talked about that. The Dolphins

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Speaker 1: started this thing with the Niners by sending that number

585
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Speaker 1: three overall pick in exchange for the number twelve, a

586
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Speaker 1: first and third round pick in two, and a first

587
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: round pick in twe then Miami turned around and sent

588
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Speaker 1: the number twelve, pick, number one, twenty three, and their

589
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: two thousand, twenty two first round pick to the Eagles

590
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Speaker 1: in exchange for the number six and number one and

591
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: fifty six picks in this year's draft. Um I would

592
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: think that this this for the Dolphins makes sense if

593
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Speaker 1: you're gonna give to a real good look here as

594
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Speaker 1: your potential future, and you now put yourself in position

595
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Speaker 1: in addition to accruing more draft assets here, Greg, you

596
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: also now have a chance to bring in a real

597
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Speaker 1: stud playmaker on offense, and we've talked about that. Uh,

598
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Speaker 1: you know. Uh, they went and they got Will Fuller,

599
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: and that felt like a nice start. But the way

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Speaker 1: this draft is starting up, where the first three picks

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Speaker 1: might be quarterbacks, um, it feels like to be in

602
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Speaker 1: that number six spot is a really good place to

603
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Speaker 1: be to get a big time playmaker exactly I mean,

604
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Speaker 1: and this is a great top of this draft for playmakers.

605
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna be in the left tackle market,

606
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: and so that means they get to take Kyle Pitts

607
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Speaker 1: the tight end, or Jamaar Chase, or if you want

608
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: to take Davante Smith, whoever, it's gonna be. Whoever they like,

609
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Speaker 1: They should have their choice of a few of those

610
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Speaker 1: top guys. And it makes me more excited about the Dolphins.

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Speaker 1: I want to see the two a year two with

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Speaker 1: talent around him, and that defense so well coached. I

613
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Speaker 1: think they've done some weird things in terms of their

614
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: moves and they've gotten off of players quickly on defense.

615
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Speaker 1: But like that, that sounds exciting and I want to

616
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,479
Speaker 1: see the two a year to leap and now he's

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Speaker 1: getting a good chance for it. I think if you're

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Speaker 1: a Dolphins fan, you know it's been This is a

619
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Speaker 1: team that's sneaky, had a really rough thirty years. UM.

620
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Speaker 1: You now, with Chris Career, I think have one of

621
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Speaker 1: the best general managers in the game. He's been involved

622
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Speaker 1: with over six years and eight separate deals for first

623
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Speaker 1: round picks. Um. He was a forward thinking um GM

624
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Speaker 1: before a lot of the league is caught up, and

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Speaker 1: I think you're looking at a team that is you know,

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Speaker 1: I wondered if maybe they were still there were still

627
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Speaker 1: a chance back in the Deshaun Watson UM pre Deshaun

628
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Speaker 1: Watson version of this whole thing, where maybe that would

629
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Speaker 1: have been a destination or a move. But yeah, you're

630
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: right at this point, it's go add the best playmaker

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Speaker 1: you can around him, and you've got a coach and

632
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Speaker 1: general manager that have a real vision and they were

633
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Speaker 1: able to pull it off. And Chris Greer never gets fleeced.

634
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Speaker 1: He ef. You look at every single deal that they've

635
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: pulled off, I think they've always gotten great value. You

636
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: could argue Manca Fitzpatrick should have not been traded, um,

637
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Speaker 1: but still you've got a first round pick. I mean

638
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: you action grades from Mark. Mark's got the whole grade. Um,

639
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: He's got a lot of you know, he wrote the

640
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: Grades article last week. Grades are his new corner, Chris

641
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: Greer getting a lot of holidays? Was there was Did

642
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: you take the grades pop from someone else? Did you

643
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: wrestle them away or was it sitting there? Anyone at

644
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: dot com could have had it, and you took it

645
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,479
Speaker 1: well to dispel your theory that it's sort of a

646
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: career launcher, I actually wrote the piece last year too,

647
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: and it had zero traction um And in fact, it

648
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: has so little traction that we carved out an entire

649
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: network segment discussing the grades I had given the Raiders,

650
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: and that was the first thing that got wiped out

651
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: during our show. All this trade news came in. They said,

652
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: we've got to get rid of content, and they said,

653
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: well that makes for easy ridden's so what's Mark's most

654
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: recent work? Take that out of the mix. Hey, I

655
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: wanna not to get two sidetracked here, but um panthers

656
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: a loser right now there. They They're in a little

657
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: bit of a tough spot here because well, it all

658
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: felt I I don't want to say it was it

659
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: was a done deal because it wasn't. But there was

660
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: momentum building toward them and Deshaun Watson and Mark I

661
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: think you nailed You nailed it on the head. No

662
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: one is doing a trade right now until it's gets

663
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: sorted out. There's just too much at stake on both

664
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: sides to do a deal involving a guy who's having

665
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: these legal issues that could become criminal. Um, it could

666
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: become a criminal issue right now, it's civil, especially because

667
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: the Texans don't want to. I still think that team,

668
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: like the Panthers, their patriots might be like, this is

669
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: a ten year decision, will do whatever, But the Texans

670
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: don't want to anyway, So that acts and not to

671
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: be flip here, but if Deshaun Watson has a tenure

672
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: prison sentence or something, you don't do a trade. I mean,

673
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: it's just everything seems to be on pause. Um I'm

674
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: working under that. Maybe I'm totally wrong, Maybe he's it's

675
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: actively going on behind the scenes right now. But if

676
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson is off the table, now you have the Jaguars, Jets,

677
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: and Niners locked one, two, three at the top of

678
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: the draft, unlikely to move. Maybe maybe the Jets move

679
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: out of number two, but it doesn't seem that way,

680
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: not when you have the brain trust. UM at Zack

681
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: Wilson's Pro day and all the buzz around him right now,

682
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: does this end? Um, Greg Rosenthal with Teddy Bridgewater getting

683
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: another shot in Carolina just because they feel like they

684
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: got boxed in here, just the thought, just the thought

685
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: exercise maybe competing, you know with Lance or Fields. That

686
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: the thing is though, if mac Jones has taken third,

687
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: I mean you gotta do the math. Then there's five

688
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks and they go one to three and

689
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: the Panthers are still at seven. So I don't know

690
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: how much they are gonna like Trey Lance or Justin

691
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: Fields if they fell, but there's there's still too many quarterbacks.

692
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: And the Patriots certainly are looking for one and the paint,

693
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: but they're much lower in the draft, and the Panthers

694
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: are still in a decent spot at seven where they

695
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: might go get it and they are the ultimate team.

696
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: And I would throw the Patriots in, but I can't

697
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: see it happening that the Panthers are the ultimate team.

698
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: That might you know, be willing to wait this out

699
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: with Watson because like Jimmy g they've got a quarterback

700
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: that and even it's more complicated to get off Teddy

701
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: Bridgewaters contract. He's do all these this guaranteed money anyway,

702
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: so he's kind of there, just backup plan that's gonna

703
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: be there, and they could wait it out until November,

704
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: you know, they could wait it out and as long

705
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: as they wanted to. And if Watson really was their

706
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 1: number one choice all along, which is what it sounded like,

707
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: then maybe they are the team that gets that done

708
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 1: in a long time. Yeah. But to Dan's question, though,

709
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 1: are they drifting towards the loser category of the winners

710
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: and losers here? I would say they are because they

711
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: also went after Matthew Stafford. All right, they clearly were

712
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: the team most interested in Watson, and that thing's in

713
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: a holding pattern. You're right. That can happen down the road,

714
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: and the Falcons, I think, will draft a quarterback to

715
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna get four straight quarterbacks off the board.

716
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: And then you're looking at the Panthers saying, are we

717
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: cool enough drafting our fifth or six choice at the

718
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: position they were at number eight? They just weren't high enough.

719
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: It's the problem when you you don't basically stink enough

720
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: the season before, and you're sitting in a place where

721
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: people can hop Scotch. You. I thought the Patriots were

722
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 1: gonna hop gotch Carolina and move up to get to

723
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: this place to get this quarterback. They haven't. So there's

724
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: two teams still looking for one um and they're not

725
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: enough quarterbacks to go around. No matter how good of

726
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: a class it is, you already know that half of

727
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: them are going to fail. They're not going to live

728
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: up to their pedigree. In fact, if half live up

729
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: to it, that will be a surprise. It's just not

730
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 1: how it works. Everyone's perfect today, they'll all be mega

731
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: flops half of them two years from now. Well, you

732
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: could look at it one other way to that, which

733
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: is the Panthers saying sweet, the forty niners are out

734
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: on the Deshaun Watson market and they're taking mac Jones. Right,

735
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: that's someone we don't they could they could. I mean

736
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: that is the other way to look at it. And

737
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 1: you're right. If they show exhibit patients here, wait out

738
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: this legal issue and then come hard, uh, there might

739
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: be a smaller market. It could work out. You're right,

740
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: there's two ways to look at it. But I imagine

741
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: there's a level of impatience that could be building there

742
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: not looking after what they've done with Teddy. It is

743
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: tough to for I think everyone to stomach going into

744
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: Week one with Teddy as you're starting quarterback. That would

745
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: be tough. And then, um, you know, we could maybe

746
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: get into the Eagles uh more in depth later in

747
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: the week. But do you have any thoughts boys on

748
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: what the Eagles have done here? They they are at

749
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: the number six spot, which would have given them that

750
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 1: money access to a big time playmaker. They moved back

751
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: to twelve. Uh and that Dolphins trade they pick up

752
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: an extra first round pick, which is good and I

753
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: think this is good news for Jalen Hurts. But at

754
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: the same time, if I'm an Eagles fan who's kind

755
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: of on guard right now mark about everything the organization

756
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 1: is doing. Am I a little annoyed I traded out

757
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: of a money spot to pick up a big time playmaker?

758
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: I mean, the Eagles fans are going to be annoyed

759
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: no matter what anyone does, so that's the baseline. But

760
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: I would say this, I think that if you're a

761
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: little bit more of a philosophical fan, you could look

762
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 1: at what Jeffrey Lori's mantra has been since the season ended,

763
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: that this is not a win now roster at the

764
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: moment that there is a setting the table. I'm not

765
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,720
Speaker 1: saying it's a six year plan, but they have twenty

766
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: picks over the next two drafts. They have two first

767
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 1: rounders next year, and that could turn into three based

768
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,439
Speaker 1: on what Carson Wentz does with the Colts. That's how

769
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: you other, like other teams, set an environment where you

770
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,439
Speaker 1: can make a major trade up next season or even

771
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: maybe be in position depending on where they finished to

772
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 1: get a quarterback next year, but at the same time

773
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: not totally blowing up the world for Jalen Hurts this

774
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: year that you give him a full clean chance to

775
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: show maybe he's the guy. So I don't hate what

776
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: they've done. They've got they basically kind of need to

777
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: reconstruct everything coming out of a team, a roster, a

778
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: cap situation that just burnt out, and they've done it

779
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: quicker than some teams do. It does make you wonder though,

780
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: with the timing when they saw the forty nine ers

781
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: moved to three and then they get out so quickly.

782
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, Well, we'll never know. Ian sent out

783
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: that that tweet about Zack Wilson and then an hour

784
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: later sent another tweet that was like, well, maybe they

785
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,479
Speaker 1: didn't really like Zach Wilson's I'm not I'm not sure

786
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: what's going on the report. Just for clarity, the Fields

787
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: reportedly attempted to trade up to number three beforehand, but

788
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: they were only gonna do it for Zack Wilson, So

789
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: like if Wilson fell, they were they were prepping the pump. Yeah,

790
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: either way, it's a little too much Joe Flacco in

791
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: my life if I'm an Eagles fan, Like we're gonna

792
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 1: just be hearing about him, and he wants to be competing,

793
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: And yes, it's Jalen Hurts his job, but it's like

794
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco is gonna be there and wanting to get

795
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: in the field. And if anyone inside that organization is

796
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: secretly viewing Joe Flacco as the starter over getting a

797
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 1: full look at Jalen Hurts, then you've lost me. No,

798
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: I don't think that would be the case. And he's

799
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 1: only getting paid three and a half a million dollars

800
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: To be fair, he got Joe Flacco can say whatever

801
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: he wants until that Johnny Uniteds movie comes out that

802
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: he was so called ticketed for as an on field

803
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: version of Johnny uniteds, I don't believe anything he said this,

804
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: So up to eight million dollars as the we have

805
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: to get rid of up too in the contracts any

806
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: But that's why I'll the Eagles fans were all fired

807
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: up and annoyed about the Flacco signing because initially it

808
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: was reported like up to a thousand million dollars for

809
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: Joe Facco, and it's like now he's getting three and

810
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: a half million. It's like very much a backup, like

811
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: hardcore backups out and remember like not only do you

812
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: get a backup quarterback, you get a statue and you

813
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: put him out there and you have and you get

814
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 1: that too, So it's almost like a two for one

815
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: factor that in as well. Um, all right, let's um

816
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: hit the rest of the news. Let's get out of

817
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: this trade chocolate. What's going on in the league in

818
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:39,959
Speaker 1: our league? That day, we came through the board with Jim,

819
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: but right there was White Nicky too. I said, I

820
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: gotta get something for yo. Hey, I'm gonna tell you

821
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: what it felt good. God, I don't know what it

822
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,439
Speaker 1: was from how recent it was. He's wearing a mask

823
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: sitting around a fire, so it must have been in

824
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: the past year. But I don't know if you guys

825
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: saw Randy Moss telling a long story about the background

826
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: on why he as Chris collins Worth famously put it,

827
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: shot the moon at the lambeau Field crowd um telling

828
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: the whole back store, very very feel you gotta love

829
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: it would feel good to when's the last time you

830
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: moon someone? Or I am assuming everyone here has moons

831
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: someone at some point. I'm not saying recently, but as

832
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: a child. I mean I'd have to go back to

833
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: probably middle school or something. Yeah, you gotta go back

834
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: a couple of decades, at least three, maybe three decades.

835
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: I do it once a week just to sort of

836
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: feel alive, shake things up a little. Yet in front

837
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: of the elementary school, it's you know, it's a shaky move,

838
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: but you know it's like Greg lives across from a

839
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: supermarket too, that that's you know, the supermarket crowd gets Yeah.

840
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: And of course that was who always be linked that

841
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: game and that that game winning touchdown catch and then

842
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: the call from Joe Buck famously, that is a disgusting

843
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: you know, Joe is still digging out from that all

844
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: these years later. It's almost like he's been on a

845
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: decade long um apology tour trying to prove that he's

846
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 1: now a cool dad. He's like, now that wasn't me.

847
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: I'm actually cool, I'm funny, and I'm chill. But that's

848
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: a tough that's a toughie. Mark. That's a tough one

849
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: to because you once you burn that into the minds

850
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: of football fans. Uh, it's a tough one to get out.

851
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: And I always think that he takes way too much

852
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: heat um and especially you know in the world of Twitter.

853
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: But he miscalculated that one because he came across a

854
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: sort of a a little bit of a snooty schoolmarm

855
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: type person trying to tell us how we should live

856
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: our lives. And it's like, I think it's kind of

857
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: cool that a player mooned like the opposing craft and

858
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: it would have been one thing if you were seeing

859
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: like an actual mooning situation, but it was just, you know,

860
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: it was just pretend. And yeah, I think Buck's been

861
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: digging out of that and been digging out of treating

862
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 1: the helmet catch like it was a guy to putting

863
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: on the fifteenth green at like you know, the Masters

864
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 1: or something acting like that. It was it was terrible.

865
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: That was helmet catch second most exciting playing Super Bowl history.

866
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 1: Let's you know, put in rare belongs. Those were yes,

867
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: those were still sticking with that one. Huh. Um. You know,

868
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: I I think he's a great It made the moment

869
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: so much more famous too. I think if he had

870
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: just had a normal call, it would not have lived

871
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: on Like, who was the Seahawks player that play acted

872
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: um taking a large dump on the field during the

873
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: Super Bowl and that he got off totally without it.

874
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: It's just hard to to tell a lot of people

875
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: that you're a cool dad when that was how you

876
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: reacted in the moment. So it's almost your truest self.

877
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: But you know, Joe hanging there, buddy, It's all gonna

878
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: work out for you in the end. I think it

879
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: has in fact, all right. Uh, Sammy Watkins, he's off

880
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: the board. He's two only seven. Sammy Watkins is still

881
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 1: really yes. I mean I think he's turning twenty eight.

882
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: Maybe he's been twenty seven for fourteen years now. It's

883
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: incredible anyway. Uh, he has signed with the Baltimore Ravens.

884
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: The Ravens finally get somebody to play wide receiver for them.

885
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: One year, five million dollar contract. Uh, and he will

886
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: be paired with Hollywood Brown. I guess is there one

887
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: two punch there? You imagine Baltimore could investigate adding more weapons. Greg,

888
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: let me ask you this. Do you find it? What

889
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: does it tell you about what the league or wide

890
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 1: receivers or what the players think about Lamar Jackson? That

891
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 1: it was so hard to get a guy in here

892
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: before Watkins finally comes one for five. Yeah, that they

893
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: weren't expecting a lot of passing yards when you know,

894
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: it came down to it. Now, I think the I

895
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 1: think the Ravens could have ended the narrative very easily

896
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: by just offering significantly more money. He in each of

897
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: these cases, you're mentioning it was juju, it was t y. Ultimately,

898
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: they were choosing between very similar contracts and they went

899
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 1: with a place that they thought, you know, because according

900
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: to she said, with Hilton it was significant. Yeah. But

901
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,479
Speaker 1: here's the thing, it was like, you know, in that case,

902
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: it's like two years spread out. So you're also these

903
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 1: things are are shaped by agents who have a narrative

904
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: that they want to say. The player in this case

905
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: might want to have got back to free agency rather

906
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: than taking more guaranteed money in less per year. Anyway,

907
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: I think it gets exaggerated a little bit. But Sammy

908
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: Watkins hasn't done much in a long time. He hasn't

909
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: done much really since he was um, you know with

910
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: the same coach that's that's in Baltimore that squeezed some

911
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: yards out of him, uh when he was back in Buffalo.

912
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: He hasn't top seven under yards since. So he's played

913
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,919
Speaker 1: well in the playoffs. He's very similar to Hollywood Brown.

914
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: That worries me. He's also similar in Hollywood Brown that

915
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: he's performed as best in the playoffs. Hollywood Brown has

916
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: been great in the playoffs. Sammy Watkins been great in

917
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Neither one of them have really shown up

918
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: and been consistent in the regular season. I think this

919
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: was also about the people involved. You mentioned Greg Roman

920
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: was his coordinator when he had his only thousand yards season.

921
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: Keith Williams, who is Baltimore's pass game coordinator, is his

922
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: personal receiver's coach, so there's relationships. Maybe that trump some

923
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 1: of the suspicion. Also, there wasn't much of a market

924
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: for Sammy Watkins obviously, but I don't think you it

925
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: is you know, great players go to terrible teams in

926
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: free agency because of money, uh and Baltimore did offer more,

927
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,439
Speaker 1: and there is something going on. I think in terms

928
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: of the way these players talk to each other that

929
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: the Baltimore landing spot pass game wise for a wide

930
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: receiver is a bit of a dead zone. And I mean,

931
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 1: and there's a reason for that. I don't think it's

932
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. I think it's the way the offense is

933
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 1: put together. And you've got two years in a row

934
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: to look at that and say, is that where I

935
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: want to go on a shorter contract to show what

936
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 1: I can do there? They're a better landing spot. Although

937
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 1: Juju passed on the Chiefs to be fair too at

938
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: similar more money. I don't want to say it has

939
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: nothing to do with Lamar Jackson nothing. It's just not

940
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: there's gonna be four hundred to four hundred and fifty

941
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: targets UH to whoever is catching the ball. So I

942
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: don't know. It just made me think for a guy

943
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: it's a reigning m v P. Usually guys race to

944
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: go there. Is it all because they throw less? Or

945
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: is it or is it really not that big a story?

946
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: Is that what Gregg saying it was a financial thing

947
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: more than anything. This might be my own blind spot,

948
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: but almost every time, you know, we hear that a

949
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: player turned down more money elsewhere, I don't believe it.

950
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: And almost always it's proven, like in the latter to

951
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: be a little bit exaggerated. You know, got you all

952
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: right in other news. And by the way, Sammy Watkins

953
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: first round pick by the Buffalo Bills in nineteen seventy six,

954
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: so you know you're gonna pair him with O J.

955
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: It was gonna be great. Yes, an unbelievable move by

956
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: Doug Walley. All right, Uh, let's see. Carlos Dunlap resigns

957
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: with the Seahawks two year, sixteen point six million dollars.

958
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: He was cut loose by Seattle about two and a

959
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: half weeks ago, three weeks ago. But now he's back,

960
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: and that's good mark because Dunlop fills a need for them.

961
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: And before he uh, I think he had a foot

962
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: issue that slowed him down or a lower body issue,

963
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: I believe, but he he was instant defense and pass

964
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: rush for them. If he comes back and he's that guy,

965
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: he will be a big help for them. I mean,

966
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: their pass rush down the stretch became much better and

967
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: one of the better ones in the league, and they

968
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: really became more of a defensive oriented team, you know,

969
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: as they guess they got to the playoffs into January,

970
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: and I think he was a big part of that. Um.

971
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: The game that stands out to me is that Cardinals

972
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: game that we watched in your garage, Dan with mass Son.

973
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 1: Just to be of course apart, you know he maybe

974
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: even more it was he created chaos at the end

975
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:06,720
Speaker 1: of that game that uh you know, I know Kyler

976
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: Murray was a little banged up. That changed that and

977
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: really helped Seattle season not turn into a disaster. And

978
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: I think he really wanted to be in Seattle. UM.

979
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: Knowing him a little bit personally from that trip that

980
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 1: I mentioned a thousand times, I think he's someone that

981
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: Pete Carrolls can say is like one of the most

982
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: high quality, high character dudes who works out NonStop, like

983
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: he's just you're gonna get your money's worth. Now, I said,

984
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 1: who on that trip was not a high character dude?

985
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: Give us one, because we know we know behind the

986
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: scenes stories, so I know you have to be careful here.

987
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: But an example of someone or maybe their behavior. I

988
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: would point, I would say that my character could always

989
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: have been a little bit better, Like can I can

990
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: I answer that? I mean, it's not as fun, but

991
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 1: you can't. Okay, Well, I'm not gonna out anyone. I don't.

992
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: I Also when they would get up to certain things,

993
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: that's when I would be taken off the invite list.

994
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: I wasn't part of that because you had to roll

995
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 1: in with like Gucci bags and like eight grands in

996
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: your pocket, and I was on Roger Good. I had

997
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: to put a boats in general, right, if they're volunteering to,

998
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: you know, help out um, you know they armed forces

999
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 1: and take a week out of their life for nothing,

1000
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,439
Speaker 1: they're probably in general, that's a self selecting good group

1001
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: of guys. It is, It's not. It wasn't ragamuffin type

1002
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,879
Speaker 1: snow is there. I don't know. My mind keeps drifting here.

1003
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: But now I'm thinking about Seattle and Seahawks fans are

1004
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: happy that we're talking about their team. They don't want

1005
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: to hear anything about Russell Wilson in a trade. It's

1006
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: not realistic. Blah blah blah. Could the Seahawks if they

1007
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 1: really are open to a potential deal on some level

1008
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 1: prey on David Tepper's aggressiveness and the Panthers and I'm

1009
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: talking herschel Walker type trade. Is that something that could

1010
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,240
Speaker 1: happen where you give up everything you have because Teppers

1011
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: and he feels cornered and he goes nuts. I don't know.

1012
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: I'd listen. I think, yeah, they're listening. That's all you

1013
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: could say. I mean, I don't know what would be

1014
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: too much to get Wilson if if you're the Panthers,

1015
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: give him first three seconds, uh, you know, your best

1016
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 1: defensive player. I don't know, maybe Christian McCaffrey. I don't know, Like,

1017
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: like what would what would it do? What would it take?

1018
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: I would say, just just give Pete Carroll a running

1019
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: back and you'd probably he would green light the thing.

1020
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: I have found it fun to watch, you know, Russell

1021
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: Wilson now on Twitter, just like over the top, excited

1022
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: about all these sudden He's like yeah, dunlopping back and

1023
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: now he's like the super Seahawks cheer. Later it's like, okay, okay, um,

1024
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 1: how about this Mark and we'll move on. I don't

1025
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: want to hang on this, but you are, I was

1026
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: gonna say, Schneider but no, you're Pete Carroll and I'm

1027
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: gonna offer you three first three seconds and Christian McCaffrey

1028
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: for Russell Wilson. Yes, I would say yes, Greg, I

1029
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: wouldn't bother. I mean, at this point, I guess no,

1030
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson is basically untradeable. But what if behind the

1031
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: scenes the relationship really is just looking at it from above,

1032
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: where I would get rid of Pete Carroll and Schneider?

1033
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't understand why we would want Why

1034
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,879
Speaker 1: would you would want to start over looking for quarterbacks

1035
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: and be totally mediocre? But then you're leaning, You're leaning

1036
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: on a strange ownership group to make that decision. And

1037
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: if you make the move now there is no get

1038
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: rid of Pete Carroll to save Russell Wilson. They have

1039
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 1: to be approved by ownership. But no, I try to

1040
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: go win the Super Bowl with Russell Wilson this year

1041
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: because life is short, and I think they would have,

1042
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 1: you know, some chance to do that. Um. In other

1043
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 1: Seahawks related news, drawn read the defensive tackle signs with

1044
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: the Chiefs a contract that features five million and guarantees.

1045
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 1: Seattle try to move Read uh, who's in a contract?

1046
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: Distude with the team. It couldn't make it happen. Uh

1047
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: So now he is with Kansas City. He was a

1048
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 1: sixteen game starter at six and a half sacks last season,

1049
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: and Greg, he's readers removed from a ten and a

1050
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: half sax season. You like this move for Kansas City? Yeah?

1051
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: I like it for Kansas City. You give someone next

1052
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: to Chris Jones that will help him out. They've been

1053
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: thin there. It's a weird sequence. So he's one year

1054
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 1: removed from signing a two year, twenty three million dollar

1055
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 1: contract with the Seahawks, and he played like Dunlop played

1056
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 1: well down the stretch last year, and they're eating dead

1057
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: money to get rid of them. They they took a

1058
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 1: risk by cutting Dunlop and hoping to get him back

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00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: at a lower salary. They were essentially hoping to do

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00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: the same with Jarren Reid, and he might have. I

1061
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: don't know if he took less money to go to

1062
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: Kansas City, but he was not happy with how that

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00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,720
Speaker 1: was handled and he ended up he ended up leaving,

1064
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: but Seattle was very much hoping to bring back jarn Reid,

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00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: and just this whole offseason is weird. They really prioritized

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00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: Chris Carson. They really prioritized trading for Gabe Jackson, a

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00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: guard who's gonna make ten million dollars, you know, a

1068
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: lot more than Jarren Reid. Where you're paying to get

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00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: rid of Jarren Reid. Gabe Jackson was a guy that

1070
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: the Raiders were trying to get rid of for two years.

1071
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: Is that going to solve their offensive line issue? And

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00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: I do I do wonder about the overall like picture

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00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: here and what what is the plan in Seattle? I'm

1074
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: not sure because they haven't been particularly good at what

1075
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll wants to be good at for a little while,

1076
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: which is running in defense. Yeah. The way thing I'd

1077
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: add is this is a team with three draft picks,

1078
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: and I get that this is maybe not the draft

1079
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: to load up on picks, but there aren't a lot

1080
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 1: of avenues um for them to address any holes they have.

1081
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: And the Jamal Adams trade, which I ripped the Jets

1082
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: for initially because what I thought was that the Jets

1083
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: kept giving away players that were good um and they

1084
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: could weren't develuable. But but a year later that was

1085
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: a win at all costs move for Seattle. They did

1086
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 1: not win at all costs. There's no reason to think

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00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: they're a better team right now, and there are not

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00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: a lot of resources to back themselves out of the

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00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: corner of the d So it is a strange time

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00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 1: in Seattle. UM. Finally, in the news, Leonard four nets

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00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: back with the defending Super Bowl chan Appians. He signs

1092
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: a deal, he's sticking around, and that is that's it.

1093
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:10,919
Speaker 1: All their starters. UM, I believe we're gonna be back.

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00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: First team ever to do that, that one that is,

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00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: and not just that, not just all twenty two starters.

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00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: You also have the GM, the head coach, the d C,

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00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: the o C. That almost never happens. You usually lose

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00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 1: one of these architects, especially the coordinators after a Super

1099
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: Bowl wind. Have all your major pieces of the coaching

1100
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: staff back and all of your starters, that is remarkable.

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00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:43,240
Speaker 1: This is kind of an unprecedented experiment here by the Bucks.

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00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: I can't say I blame them. I think it's gonna

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00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 1: be very interesting to see how it plays out. I'm

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00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 1: like less excited about them running it back, but I

1105
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: do like having like as I was like getting ready

1106
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: to root the mind because they were they were the

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00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 1: most exciting thing about the season. I thought from minute

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00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: one to the very end, you know, because they were

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00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: so different, they were this new character and now they

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00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: are the favorites. It's it's really interesting how quickly that

1111
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 1: that turn. But you're right, there's no reason to think

1112
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: they're gonna be like be bad. They that roster is awesome,

1113
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: Like I think they'll be to be better. I think

1114
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:21,720
Speaker 1: like that there. I mean, if anything, like they always well,

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00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: all I'd say is better over the course of the season,

1116
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 1: they didn't win their division. Um, the version of them

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00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,839
Speaker 1: that won the Super Bowl, I thought really bloomed late

1118
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: in the year. So I'm just saying you, in theory,

1119
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: you get that from wire to wire. Now, I don't

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00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 1: need to be super excited about Leonard for Nette. The

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00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: same way would be about some other people they brought back. Um,

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00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: I really thought, um, this would be a team that

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Speaker 1: might have gotten James White to add one more Patriots

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00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 1: piece that Brady knew so well, because I don't think

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Speaker 1: that that part of what they had on their offense

1126
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: last year was maximized in terms of like a pass

1127
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: catching guy like White that can do so much. And

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Speaker 1: now I I wouldn't rule them out from drafting or

1129
00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: running back, maybe not high, but as well they also have, uh,

1130
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: who's the other guy to have from last year? The

1131
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 1: draft pick Sean Vaughan and like they you know, he

1132
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: didn't play much, but I apparently the coach is still like,

1133
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: did you say that? No, I didn't mention earning for

1134
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 1: over first round pick tight end. He was, by the way,

1135
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: o J how just I When I read that yesterday,

1136
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,479
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, he was an absolute can't

1137
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: miss tight end prospect. Those feel dicey, those can't miss

1138
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:27,879
Speaker 1: tight ends in the first round. Keep that in mind.

1139
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: Good player, good player, good But it was supposed to

1140
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: be like a game plan record. Maybe yeah, maybe I

1141
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: don't even get the truce. Arians loves him. That money

1142
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 1: are the bullies, though. I do like that they're coming back,

1143
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: Like I like that they made this narrative so easy

1144
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 1: that we're bringing everyone back. They are completely loaded. They're

1145
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 1: gonna be They're gonna have the most nationally tell what

1146
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 1: televised games like it's on. I like it. I like that.

1147
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: And they did win eight straight to end the season.

1148
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: I mean what you know, Yes, they started a little

1149
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: slow and they lost a lot of they awesome close games.

1150
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: Too good teams other than the other than New Orleans

1151
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:04,839
Speaker 1: who kind of beat them down, but they want eight

1152
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: straight and they beat down the Chiefs. I mean, it

1153
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: was about as good as it gets down the stretch.

1154
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,320
Speaker 1: If they ever ran it back in one another title,

1155
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: first of all, you'd have to do it again. Everybody,

1156
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: I don't care, I don't care what their numbers are,

1157
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 1: what their stats were, where they are in life, would

1158
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: have it now, right. And you know, also, I think

1159
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,439
Speaker 1: Tom Brady becomes the greatest free agent signing of all

1160
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: time to add that to his list. If somehow they

1161
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: get back to the super Bowl again, he's already right

1162
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: up near the top. He's gonna take that. He's gonna

1163
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: take that from Breeze to win. So in a much shorter,

1164
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: you know, more digestible time, it's better Greg two for

1165
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: two or one for twenty. I don't know. Just just

1166
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: let Drew Brees have this. It's like, now you're defending well,

1167
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: just I don't know what else. Uh, A year from now,

1168
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: you have Tom Brady next time around. It is not

1169
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: to drop the Lombardi Trophy out of like a low

1170
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: flying private plane, and you're gonna have Gronk catch that

1171
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:05,439
Speaker 1: or break Brady is gonna retire and then immediately jump

1172
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: on to The Today Show with Hoda Kadby and actually

1173
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: Breeze will get squeezed out of that role to actually

1174
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 1: that he'll be doing Notre Dame with Tarko. He's just

1175
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: he just hates Drew Brees and wants to ruin his life.

1176
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: That's that would be Jenna Bush getting canned in a

1177
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 1: big spot right there. I could definitely also see him

1178
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: winning three Super Bowls with the Bucks and the Jets

1179
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: give him a seven hundred million dollar contract and he

1180
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: gets old. Um, Hey, that's what's happening in the news.

1181
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: Before we say goodbye, I want to check in with

1182
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 1: one of our One are the great men of NFL Media.

1183
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: He is the vice president of International title uh. He's

1184
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: also known uh in the podcast world as Handsome Hank,

1185
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 1: and that is no lie. He is Henry Hotson. What's up?

1186
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 1: But welcome back to the A T N Podcast. Hello? Friends,

1187
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: how are we doing? You good? Thank you? How are

1188
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: you guys? Doesn't that title actually mean that you're the

1189
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: vice president of the rest of the world outside of

1190
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: where we live. International is literally everything beyond America. I

1191
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,919
Speaker 1: like that Dan says that whenever he leaves one word off,

1192
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: which I mean I like to it's international marketing, so

1193
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: it's less impressive than just market Really, what what Dan

1194
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: says when he says it out loud is the diamond

1195
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: chudge of everything other than the US. But that's not

1196
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 1: actually true. Last time that I came by because Henry,

1197
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: you know, he's such a soldier for this company, like

1198
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: amongst other things, when you are vice president of international,

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00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 1: your your work hours and not like normal people. So

1200
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: I came by his house when I was doing my moving,

1201
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: and and the Hotchins were nice enough to watch the

1202
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 1: boys for a couple of hours. Hitting everybody up on that.

1203
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: By the way, Greg, they're coming over in about an hour.

1204
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: A knock on the door, Henry's wonderful wife answers, and

1205
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: there's Henry in the middle of a meeting, speaking fluent Chinese,

1206
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: probably launching some impressive impressive that's what was happening exactly. Yes, No,

1207
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: that the was the I was a stranger. I wouldn't

1208
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 1: necessarily wish them on anything. See how he didn't correct

1209
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: me when I said, and he was gonna let that

1210
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 1: one sit out there, right, Henry, you texted me last week.

1211
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: You were upset with me and I and you know what,

1212
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 1: it was a bad joy by me. For for years,

1213
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 1: for years, we've been tracking the international um NFL's International

1214
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: Pathway program away to get athletes football players from around

1215
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 1: the world, funnel them and give them the opportunity to

1216
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 1: play in our league. And uh, you know, we bet

1217
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 1: on a horse. His name was Maria's bow ringer Um.

1218
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: He was drafted by Hell. I don't know anymore than

1219
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 1: Vikings Mike Mayock. If what would make Mayok called up

1220
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 1: exactly give this guy and zim I listened and he

1221
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 1: and he did it and were on the train from

1222
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: day one. No one's been the biggest supporter of Mares

1223
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: than actually there was in the war room. You actually

1224
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 1: saw Henry sneak into the room and slip a couple

1225
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: of hundreds into Zimmer's pockets, said, grab this guy, I

1226
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: needed for my international pop. He's a wide receiver, but

1227
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: he will become a tight end in a few years,

1228
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: very versatile. He's now been in the Cincinnati Bengals organization

1229
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 1: for a couple of years. It just hasn't taken hold.

1230
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: And that's a bum. So keeping up with Bo Ringer

1231
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: where it's still it's on the back burner right now.

1232
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: It's not because I think we actually we ended that

1233
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: when he got caught by you invited me on to

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01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 1: talk about marks the end of his career with the Bengels.

1235
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: He is now and if we can do an update,

1236
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: he is now that with the team that brought him

1237
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 1: to the NFL Schwabish Hole Unicorns. Whoa, there's the music,

1238
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: everything else. So that is the update. He's gone full

1239
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: up back to the Unicorns in Germany. Here were all right,

1240
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 1: so lucky. Let's let's uh, let's gets though. The reason

1241
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 1: why Henry was upset with me is because there is

1242
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: one player who is the true sie story of the

1243
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 1: Pathway program. Uh, the only man who has now graduated

1244
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: to a fifty three man roster. It's f a Obata

1245
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 1: yet five and a half sacks last year for the Panthers.

1246
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 1: The Panthers, so I don't know what's going on in

1247
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: that organization right now, but they say we're not going

1248
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: to bring him back. He lands with the Buffalo Bills,

1249
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: same team that has Christian Wade, another member of the

1250
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 1: Pathway Program, on their practice squad. So Henry I wanted

1251
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: to give you the floor here. I know about about

1252
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 1: as somebody that you are proud of because he's a

1253
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: he's a countryman and he was born in Nigeria, but

1254
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 1: he ended up in London as a youth, a very

1255
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 1: tough childhood, a lot of challenges that he overcame. So

1256
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 1: since it didn't really click with bow Ringer, and in

1257
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: fact you thought sometimes it was mocking of the program,

1258
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 1: which it never was, I wanted to give you the

1259
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 1: platform here to celebrate a true champion of the Pathway program.

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01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 1: F a Obada, Well, first of all, I would say

1261
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 1: you did it very well for me that then when

1262
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 1: I texted you last week, if I could have had anything,

1263
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 1: it was exactly what you just said. So congratulations you

1264
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 1: you really nailed it. But I would say that it

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Speaker 1: is it is a pretty amazing story fas Um. Story

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Speaker 1: of of as you said was he was. He left Nigeria,

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Speaker 1: was human traffic to the UK, lived on the streets

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Speaker 1: of London and then got this opportunity to to do well,

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Speaker 1: discovered football, played I think seven games for the London Warriors,

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Speaker 1: and then went from that, you know, discovering football and

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Speaker 1: playing at an amateur level in the UK. To um

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Speaker 1: joining the Dallas Cowboys and playing a training camp there

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Speaker 1: and not kind of not totally being able to hook

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Speaker 1: into that and eventually the International Player path Way program

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Speaker 1: was the thing that gave him his opportunity played to

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Speaker 1: the Panthers, was I mean, I don't I'm sure you

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Speaker 1: guys watched the uh, what's the show called? The show?

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Speaker 1: Will on that thing show exactly where he was one

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Speaker 1: of the focal points of that Panthers season a couple

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Speaker 1: of years ago. You guys were at the game in

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Speaker 1: London where he played for the first time in hunted

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Speaker 1: fans from the UK, which was which was a pretty

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Speaker 1: cool experience, and he I think he really became a

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Speaker 1: big fan favorite in Carolina, and so I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of fans were sad to see him leave after

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Speaker 1: his best season last year. He got five and a

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Speaker 1: half sacks and he got collected some pretty good scalps.

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady, I think, was one of the guys you

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Speaker 1: got Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees. So if you want if

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Speaker 1: you're gonna sack people, those the type of people I

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Speaker 1: suppose you want to be sacking. Um. So now he's

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Speaker 1: headed off to Buffalo UM and from what I understand

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Speaker 1: on good authority. There were a few other teams that

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Speaker 1: were in the mix to sign him as well, so

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Speaker 1: I think he got a good deal there too, to

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Speaker 1: got to Buffalo and get on a team that may

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Speaker 1: unfortunately for two of us on this call, with with

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Speaker 1: other allegiances to an FC East teams maybe on track

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Speaker 1: for a Super Bowl. Yeah, a nice place to sign

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Speaker 1: as a defensive lineman. They get right production, they need

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Speaker 1: help there. They rotate guys. He had twenty nine pressures

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Speaker 1: last year and in under five snaps, so he was

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Speaker 1: very uh productive. He's carving out, he's carbon out of

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Speaker 1: we are What is your personal relationship though, like does

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01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 1: does he thank you? Or how did that story? F

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Speaker 1: A was part of the program when Moritz was there,

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Speaker 1: and so I was with f A M Morits when

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Speaker 1: they were drafted in Chicago. We spent the day together.

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Speaker 1: And then and then yeah, I know I know A

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Speaker 1: pretty well and he's a He's a fantastic guy, a

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Speaker 1: guy who you know has really gone through a lot

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Speaker 1: in his life but is super positive and gives back

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Speaker 1: so much. Two fans in the UK, both the fans

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Speaker 1: and then also like the NFL Academy which you may

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Speaker 1: have heard about, which is sort of designed to get

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Speaker 1: kids a little bit earlier and get them starting to

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Speaker 1: play football and hopefully get them into the college system

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Speaker 1: in the US. F A has really supported that in

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Speaker 1: a massive way, um and and help grow that. And

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Speaker 1: he wants to know to help create the pipeline of

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Speaker 1: future f A A bartis to the US to be

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Speaker 1: playing in the NFL, you know, Hank, Like, one thing

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Speaker 1: I noticed when I was in Europe that we there

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Speaker 1: were a lot of high school programs a football high

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Speaker 1: school programs. Since so they are starting to get kids,

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Speaker 1: um introduced to the sports so much earlier than in

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Speaker 1: years past. Do you think like in twenty forty uh,

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Speaker 1: if things continue a pace with sports and society, that

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01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:13,440
Speaker 1: the NFL could look a little bit more like the

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Speaker 1: NBA or Major League Baseball, where you know, twenty we're

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Speaker 1: talking about you're finding the most physically dominant people. They're

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Speaker 1: not all in America, by the way. I know, we

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01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 1: like to think that. I mean, could you get to

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Speaker 1: a point where of the NFL is foreign from outside

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Speaker 1: the country. I think is a high number for for

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Speaker 1: twenty years from now. But what I would say is

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Speaker 1: that you're exactly right, Mark, Like, the way for the

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Speaker 1: sport to grow is to do that is to encourage

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Speaker 1: kids to be playing, and then, um, you have to

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01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 1: get kids in an early age. I think the play

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01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 1: Pokery program has been incredible and then the one one

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Speaker 1: mistake you made. There have been a couple of other

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Speaker 1: guys that have made it, including Jakob Johnson, Greg's favorite

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Speaker 1: fullback in the NFL. Scott resigned as well. Exactly, But um,

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01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 1: it's it's really hard to get guys at twenty, you know,

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01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 1: that kind of age, and they've never played football before,

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01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 1: they've had very limited exposure to football, and then get

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Speaker 1: them they have to be like athletic freaks, which a

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01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 1: is one of them. To to make it to the

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01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 1: NFL is obviously much easier if they're playing, you know,

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Speaker 1: starting at the same age that a kid in the

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01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 1: US would start and learning the sport and developing their

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Speaker 1: body and all those kind of things. So, um, I

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01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 1: think the earlier you can get them, and the longer

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01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 1: you have that momentum going, then yeah, eventually maybe not,

1356
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 1: but more players being able to contribute in more ways.

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Speaker 1: Do you see it in college football right now? I

1358
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 1: think there's a really high profile TCUs quarterback is a

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Speaker 1: German guy. You know. I think those are the things

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Speaker 1: that moves it along, as well as getting guys that

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Speaker 1: score touchdowns as fun as sacks are, or being good

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Speaker 1: on the offensive line. Give me the name of that

1363
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Speaker 1: German guy. I gotta work on a new drop. Whenever

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Speaker 1: you get the chance mention one of the things may

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Speaker 1: go ahead. Everything that we've talked about here, like the

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Speaker 1: Player Pathway program, international games in London, all those things.

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Speaker 1: I just want to shout out a guy who's leaving

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Speaker 1: the NFL this week named Alistair Kirkwood, who's the m

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Speaker 1: D of the NFL UK Office and has been for

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Speaker 1: twenty something years. He was my boss when I first

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Speaker 1: started at the NFL. Just an amazing man who put

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Speaker 1: into place the player the player Pathway program. He put

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Speaker 1: into place the fact that games are played in London,

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Speaker 1: you know where. It was like completely insane when I

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Speaker 1: was working there in two thousand and three that there

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Speaker 1: would be regular season games played in the UK and

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Speaker 1: now there are four a year. Um. He's the one

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Speaker 1: who put the NFL Academy in place. Alista has done

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Speaker 1: so much to grow the sport internationally. He essentially. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I was on a call this morning with FA on

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Speaker 1: there where f A said I couldn't have done. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not where I am without Alista's support. I'm actually

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Speaker 1: not where I am without ask to support. I had

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Speaker 1: dinner last week with a friend of mine who has

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01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 1: now become defensive line coach for the Dallas Cowboys, who

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Speaker 1: was the same guy that discovered f A, who was

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Speaker 1: coaching in London. He wouldn't be where he is without Alista.

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Speaker 1: So there is a guy who who's done a ton

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Speaker 1: to change and to grow the spool in the UK

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01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 1: and kind of put the blueprint in for then how

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Speaker 1: you do that in other countries as well. So I

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Speaker 1: want to hail Alistair Kirkwood and wonderful friends. Man, he's

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01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 1: got you know you guys coming coming to London as well.

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01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 1: I don't think we we get to London for our

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01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 1: two trips without our He definitely supported you guys. Best

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01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 1: of luck and Henry will do whatever it takes to

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01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 1: get to the top of that chain. So we're seeing

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01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 1: right now on me horribly all right, Henry, good stuff

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01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: and we know see the Hank. We know that we

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Speaker 1: have a huge following overseas, so it's good to have

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Speaker 1: Hank on the speed dial. All right, We'll be back

1402
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Speaker 1: on Thursday with another brand new episode of Around the

1403
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 1: NFL Podcasts. We got closer to the drafting ramp it up.

1404
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 1: We might do a another one of our five times

1405
01:09:57,439 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 1: a week um uh um runs when we get to

1406
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:04,759
Speaker 1: draft week. But until then, we'll be on this schedule

1407
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Speaker 1: of the TV show on Friday. Check that out three

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Speaker 1: o'clock eastern noon Pacific NFL Network. Mark you on one well,

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Speaker 1: one little note. Are co worker Patrick Crawley and his

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01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 1: wife Natalie had a son, cole over over the weekend,

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01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 1: so we we have a we have a British Patrick

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Speaker 1: Crawley and an American Patrick Crawley. I mean they're not

1413
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 1: the same person, but the American one nor the American

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Speaker 1: one had a child. That's great. Well he Natalie, but

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Speaker 1: once Henry, he was under you, Henry as a you

1416
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 1: were his mentor sometimes I mean not. I mean he

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Speaker 1: he really made me look good. So congratulations Patrick, and

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01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 1: I hope cole Um makes someone look good in the future.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff. Signing off our handsome Hank, the Old Boss,

1420
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 1: the Quiet Storm and Ricky Hollywood behind the virtual glass

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Speaker 1: until Thursday. Who's the coal