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Speaker 1: to get out into the fights. These small numbers and

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Speaker 1: the poor training of the force as a whole means

432
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Speaker 1: that the military has to focus on just a very

433
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Speaker 1: few units that I actually deploy over into the Middle

434
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Speaker 1: East to the Western Pacific, make sure they're okay, and

435
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Speaker 1: then everybody else is paying that bill. So this isn't

436
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Speaker 1: just a few years in the making. It's been about

437
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Speaker 1: twenty five years and making since the end of the

438
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Speaker 1: Cold War, a slow declined decay in equipment readiness and

439
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Speaker 1: personnel readiness and in numbers, and now we're waking up

440
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Speaker 1: to the deteriorated state, and it's an eye popping bill

441
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Speaker 1: to get it back to where it needs to be. Now,

442
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Speaker 1: the budget that from put forward would have us at

443
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Speaker 1: what about six hundred and three billion dollars of defense

444
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Speaker 1: spending four hundred sixty two billion dollars of non discretionary

445
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Speaker 1: non defense spending. A lot of people see this and

446
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Speaker 1: just as a function of raw numbers, Dacote, I'm sure

447
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Speaker 1: you come across this and people probably ask you at

448
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Speaker 1: heritage functions when you guys take questions, Well, we already

449
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,199
Speaker 1: spend more than the next seven countries combined. We're spending

450
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Speaker 1: so much on the military. Uh, we don't need to

451
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Speaker 1: spend more there. We should be spending more on schools

452
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Speaker 1: or infrastructure or whatever. And I'm not trying to make

453
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Speaker 1: this about democratic Republican but these are things that people say,

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Speaker 1: even even I know Republicans and some libertarians take that

455
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Speaker 1: point of view. So what do you what's your response

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Speaker 1: to the well, we're already spending more than the next

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Speaker 1: seven combined. You know, when is enough enough? Because I

458
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Speaker 1: think that that's where a fair number of people who

459
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Speaker 1: are patriots who want the military to be, you know,

460
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Speaker 1: getting everything that it needs do have a little bit

461
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Speaker 1: of a well should we just look at waste and

462
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Speaker 1: and abuse and this them, or should we really spend more?

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Speaker 1: What do you say to that? I'm sympathetic to all

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Speaker 1: those arguments of we we've routinely criticized our NATO allies

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Speaker 1: for not spending enough. So if they if the target

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Speaker 1: was two of gross domestic product GDP and they're spending

467
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Speaker 1: down at one point to or almost half of what

468
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Speaker 1: they should be spending, then you could say that if

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Speaker 1: they were spending where they should be at. We wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be spending as much as the next ten, it would

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Speaker 1: be as much as the next five. In other words,

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Speaker 1: of people were carrying their share of the burden, then

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Speaker 1: those comparisons would be would be much different. If you

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Speaker 1: take a historical view, during the Reagan build up areas

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Speaker 1: normalized for today in today's dollars, we would be spending

476
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Speaker 1: over a trillion dollars on defense just because military stuff

477
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Speaker 1: is so expensive. Jimmy Carter's budget would be about nine

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Speaker 1: hundred billion today. Senator McCain and represent Avecongressman Thornberry, the

479
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Speaker 1: chairman of the Senate and the House Arm Services committees,

480
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Speaker 1: say that we should be making this next budget baseline

481
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Speaker 1: of six hundred and forty billion. So President Trump's um

482
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Speaker 1: attempt to get the six hundred and three billion is

483
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Speaker 1: really a great step in the right direction. But when

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Speaker 1: you compare six hundred to six forty to nine hundred

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Speaker 1: to a trillion, it starts to put things in historical perspective.

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Speaker 1: And again when we feel the forest, we've got well

487
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Speaker 1: trained and paid troops, um that the cost of manufacturing

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Speaker 1: modern day equipment are more expensive here in the United States,

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Speaker 1: and in Russia or China, you know, just the conditions

490
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Speaker 1: are different. So again it's that slow fade where the

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Speaker 1: American public hasn't been kept aware as to how prices

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Speaker 1: and expenses increase over time. We use precision guided munitions

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Speaker 1: and GPS and laser guided bombs instead of dumb bombs,

494
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Speaker 1: fewer bombs to get a target, greater force protection for

495
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Speaker 1: our guys. But that kind of stuff is expensive, right,

496
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Speaker 1: So it's just it's expensive to field a globally deployable

497
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Speaker 1: military that can do multiple things, you know, more than

498
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Speaker 1: one thing at a time. Where we've gotten to today

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Speaker 1: as the U. S military that can handle one major

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Speaker 1: conflict and that's it. We wouldn't have the ability to

501
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Speaker 1: respond anywhere else in the world if somebody tried to

502
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Speaker 1: exploit that absence of US military power defending American interests.

503
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Speaker 1: You served a long time in the in the Marine

504
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Speaker 1: Corps Dakota. The President has made this comment many times

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Speaker 1: before about how we don't win anymore. I think I

506
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Speaker 1: know what he is trying to get at, but I

507
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Speaker 1: also think that it's a little bit too broad of

508
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Speaker 1: a statement, because it's really not military combat that we

509
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: are not winning. It's trying to get society, specifically in

510
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Speaker 1: the Middle East, to be functional, democratic, sovereign, and capable

511
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Speaker 1: of defending themselves, which isn't really a specifically or isn't

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Speaker 1: generally thought of as a military mission. But I wanted

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Speaker 1: your I just wanted your responses as somebody who served

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Speaker 1: and also as a as a national security expert. What

515
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Speaker 1: do you think of Trump's we don't win any more

516
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Speaker 1: common What do you think he's getting in? I think

517
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Speaker 1: he's reflecting the frustration that all Americans should have in

518
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Speaker 1: that when we deploy our military to accomplish something, is

519
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Speaker 1: the outcome satisfying? You know? Is it a satisfactory outcome

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Speaker 1: for the expensive lives and treasure that we invest, And

521
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Speaker 1: so the military can go out, you can have you know,

522
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Speaker 1: a young platoon or a company or battalion, or a

523
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: fighter a fighter pilot that's successful in their tactical action,

524
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Speaker 1: you know, defeating the enemy that he's going up against.

525
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Speaker 1: And yet if the outcome of that war isn't achieving

526
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Speaker 1: the objectives for which we went to battle to begin with,

527
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Speaker 1: and there's something wrong. So it was either a bad policy,

528
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Speaker 1: it's that the diplomatic and economic levers of power haven't

529
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Speaker 1: really been applied, or we tried to go in with

530
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: such a minimal approach that it wasn't sufficient to actually

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Speaker 1: accomplish the task. You know. It's like going to the

532
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: doctor and he prescribes an antibiotic. If you only take

533
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: half the knows, even though you take it for a

534
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: few weeks, it doesn't actually get rid of the sickness.

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Speaker 1: And so his frustration is the policies of the last

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Speaker 1: eight or perhaps twelve or fourteen years in places like

537
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Speaker 1: Afghanistan and Iraq has have not been properly applied so

538
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Speaker 1: that when we deploy the military, we actually get the win,

539
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: you know, the sustainable peace or outcome that we're looking for.

540
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Speaker 1: And I think that's where his anger is at, and

541
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Speaker 1: he's saying that he's bringing a different approach that if

542
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Speaker 1: we're going to send America's sons and daughters into harm's way,

543
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna fully equip them. They'll be sufficient combat power,

544
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Speaker 1: and we'll be doing the diplomatic and economic things necessary

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Speaker 1: to get other people uh to a contribute where they

546
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Speaker 1: should be contributing, and that we will have a more

547
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Speaker 1: successful outcome when all of a sudden, all I want

548
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Speaker 1: us to do is take a quick look at what's

549
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: going on in Afghanistan, and we just have from a

550
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: policy perspective, our fingers in the damn there. That's that's

551
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: just gonna come All that's gonna come apart unless they

552
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: come up with a real endgame. But we got we

553
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: gotta leave it there for now. Dakota Wood is a

554
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: senior research fell at the Heritage Foundation. He's also Marine. Dakota,

555
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for calling him. We appreciate your

556
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: time today. That pleasure, Thank you, and thanks for your service.

557
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: All right, team, we're gonna go into a break. When

558
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,719
Speaker 1: we come back either side, we've got a lot more

559
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: to talk about, So stay with me. Trump has gone

560
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: too far for me. I finally have to break with

561
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: the administration clearly and firmly. I cannot defend this decision.

562
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: I cannot stand beside him. I do not see any

563
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: wiggle room on this issue whatsoever. Honestly, I'm quite upset

564
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: about it. Over the weekend, the President ordered a fifty

565
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Speaker 1: four dollar dry aged steak, and he ordered it well

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Speaker 1: done and with ketchup. Now he may be the leader

567
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: of the free world, he may be a one man

568
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: political movement. He may in fact do dramatic, wonderful things

569
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Speaker 1: for the American people. But we do not order our

570
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: steaks well done. People. We do not do that. We

571
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: are not caveman. When you order a steak well done,

572
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: it means that the temperature outside and in of that

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00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: wonderful piece of red meat, in this case dry aged.

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Speaker 1: I think it was a porterhouse, a dry aged porterhouse

575
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: cooked all the way through. It makes me want to cry.

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00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: You can have a nice crustling on the outside, but

577
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: you order it medium rare, that's the sweet spot. Maybe

578
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: you go medium, and maybe you go rare, medium rare

579
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Speaker 1: as I think the most, that the safest when you

580
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: order that as a cooking instruction and catch up, not

581
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Speaker 1: even border Les Saucer, not even Bernez to bring out

582
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Speaker 1: the fattiness of the meat. You go with well done.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're it's like you're trying to have a

584
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Speaker 1: very expensive goose turd on a plate. Unacceptable, unacceptable. Ah,

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Speaker 1: But I digress. I digress makes me quite sad he

586
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Speaker 1: overcooked the meat. Other than that, I think the President

587
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: had a good weekend. But we do not. We do not.

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Speaker 1: We absolutely do not order our stakes well done, people,

589
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: unless it's been laying out in the sun for four hours.

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00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: We don't do that. We do not. Greg in Oklahoma,

591
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: you were on the Bucks Accident Show. What's up, Hey, Buck?

592
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: I just wanted to call and talk about the Yemen

593
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: raid and that navy steal's father came out it was

594
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Speaker 1: yesterday or the day before, talking about how he wanted

595
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Speaker 1: an investigation into the raid. And I find it, uh,

596
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: not so much perplexing, but interesting that again, once we

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Speaker 1: have a president within our next to his name, all

598
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, service members families who have been killed

599
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Speaker 1: in action are suddenly on the front pages of websites

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Speaker 1: and on TV, and they're given airtime. UM. While I

601
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: don't begrudge that, I do question their motives in pushing

602
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Speaker 1: this narrative that somehow Trump was in charge of this

603
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: particular mission when it was set up months before his presidency,

604
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 1: and having faith in General Madis and others in UH

605
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: the National Security team, I don't understand where this um

606
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: attack is coming from and what's the reasoning behind going

607
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,959
Speaker 1: after Trump for UH this particular loss of life. Well,

608
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Speaker 1: I do not want to in any way duck this question.

609
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: It's an excellent question, Greg. I have a guest who's

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00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: a friend and former Special Operations. Uh, well, it's a

611
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: former operator from within the Special Operations community will be

612
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: joining later in the show. We're gonna talk about the

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Speaker 1: raid and about the politics that I think are going

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Speaker 1: on around this uh, this service members uh that was

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Speaker 1: killed in action with his family and the discussion. So

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Speaker 1: can I can I ask that we put this on?

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Speaker 1: Can you stay with us through the show here? And

618
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: can ask that We're gonna be hitting it in just

619
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Speaker 1: a couple of hours, But I want to wait a

620
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Speaker 1: little bit because if I get too deep into it now,

621
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Speaker 1: it's going to be a repeat later. And we've got

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Speaker 1: somebody from in for formally inside spec ops community joining us.

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Speaker 1: So can I just say that we will address your

624
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: question then? Is that fair? Oh? That's absolutely fair. I

625
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: was trying to set you up for later in the show.

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00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: Oh no, fantastic. Well, I appreciate that it's a very

627
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: important topic and we we absolutely will get to it,

628
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Speaker 1: and that's gonna be coming up around eight thirty Eastern.

629
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Speaker 1: Just so you know, we've got my friend from software

630
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: dot Com joining and we're gonna be talking to him.

631
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Speaker 1: He's he was a U Special Forces green Beret and

632
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: he's gonna be talking to us about what happened there

633
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Speaker 1: and also what he thinks is going on with the family.

634
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: So Greg in Oklahoma, Shields High, thank you for calling in.

635
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Speaker 1: Ed in North Carolina. You're on the Buck Sexton Show. Hey,

636
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Speaker 1: how you Donald Buck? I'm good? All right? Um. You

637
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: were talking to Dakota a couple of minutes ago about

638
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Speaker 1: what Trump said about we don't win wars anymore? Okay, Well,

639
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: I think what what Trump is really talking about? And

640
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: Dakota said, you went back like fourteen years he's talking

641
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 1: about if September eleventh and all. I think what Trump

642
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: is talking about is it goes back even further. It's

643
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: like Vietnam and maybe Koreer. I think anything after like

644
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Speaker 1: World War Two, is that when we go into a war,

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Speaker 1: we go in to win it and not without like

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Speaker 1: social restraints. Are we say, politically correct restraints? Like World

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Speaker 1: War Two, we we bombed cities, are Allies bomb cities?

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Speaker 1: But now we you know, nowadays we go in with

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Speaker 1: political correctness. And I think what Trump wants to do

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Speaker 1: is to not go into a war unless we're just

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Speaker 1: going to go in and actually forget about the political

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Speaker 1: correctness and do the right thing to win the war. Well,

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Speaker 1: there's there's a lot here, right, I mean there's On

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Speaker 1: the one hand, having having spent time into Rock and Afghanistan,

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Speaker 1: I can tell you that avoiding avoiding civilian casualties is

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Speaker 1: a moral imperative. It's also a strategic one because if

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Speaker 1: you're trying to win over the population for a counterinsurgency campaign,

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Speaker 1: you need the population who work with you. In fact,

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Speaker 1: that the heart of counterinsurgency, as we learned, and this

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Speaker 1: is part of the Petraeus doctrine, and the way that

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Speaker 1: we turned around what was happening in the Iraq War

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Speaker 1: two thousand six to two thousand and eight two thousand

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Speaker 1: nine was by protecting the population first. That became the

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Speaker 1: strategic imperative. So I think part of the problem here

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Speaker 1: is that there's a lack of an objective put in place,

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Speaker 1: and there's a lack of clarity from the policy side,

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Speaker 1: from the former White House and honestly from the White

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Speaker 1: House before that as well. And that's what needs to

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Speaker 1: be addressed. But you do, you're fighting different wars in

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Speaker 1: the Middle East than you did in World War Two

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Speaker 1: on a on a whole host of levels. But ed

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Speaker 1: in North Carolina. Thank you for calling. Appreciate it, Uh team.

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Speaker 1: We've got a lot more coming up here, including a

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Speaker 1: discussion of immigration. Be right back. The things that matter

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Speaker 1: most in your day to day life are too important

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Speaker 1: to trust to just anyone. That's that's why, that's why

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Speaker 1: he's here. Bud Seston with America Now, sharp mind, strong voice.

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Speaker 1: But Sexton, we are entering a new era of immigration enforcement,

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Speaker 1: my friends. The previous administration's policies of catch and release,

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Speaker 1: of allowing illegal immigrants to go free in the country

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Speaker 1: while awaiting court dates for which they would never show up,

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Speaker 1: of trying to change the numbers to make it look

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Speaker 1: like we were deporting more people than we actually were

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Speaker 1: by changing the definitions of what counts as deported. That's

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Speaker 1: going to stop, it seems. And we have an administration

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Speaker 1: with Trump in charge, that will have a very different

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Speaker 1: approach to these things. What's that going to look like?

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Speaker 1: On the legal side, we're joined by Seth barons Wig.

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Speaker 1: He's an attorney and managing partner at Barnswig Leonard and

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Speaker 1: he's at Seth Baronswig on Twitter. Seth, thank you for

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Speaker 1: calling in. Always a pleasure. Let's start with the immigration

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Speaker 1: Executive Order. It is expected to come down this Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: A you know how this goes on the legal side

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Speaker 1: of things. Do you think this one will stand muster

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Speaker 1: in the courts? This one will actually well, will this

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Speaker 1: one be allowed to uh stand without judicial overrule? Well,

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Speaker 1: I think it will take a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: judicial challenge because we know that this is a very

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Speaker 1: controversial issue and some folks will try to see up litigation,

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Speaker 1: but especially in terms of this new order that will

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Speaker 1: come out, which I think will be a leaner version

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Speaker 1: of the first one. At the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: I think that the President wins because I do think

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Speaker 1: that he has the legal authority to take the action

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Speaker 1: that he's taking. Now, we also have these this piece

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Speaker 1: in the New York Times, and it's really part of

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Speaker 1: a much larger narrative that the media seems to be

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Speaker 1: putting out there right now that there is a widespread

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Speaker 1: crackdown on a legal immigrants already an effect that immigration

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Speaker 1: and Customs enforcement officers are being brutes, they're heartless, and

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Speaker 1: how they are doing this. They're kicking indoors early in

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Speaker 1: the morning, arresting and I'm not exaggerating. This was in

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Speaker 1: a big New York Times piece called Immigration Agents discover

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Speaker 1: new freedom to deport under Trump. They talk about how

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Speaker 1: scary the vans are to immigrant communities that Immigrations and

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Speaker 1: Customs and force and drive around in. They even discuss

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Speaker 1: how there are there are mourning raids that terrify small children.

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Speaker 1: And I want to point out that anytime law enforcement

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Speaker 1: is going to arrest somebody at their home, they tend

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Speaker 1: to do it in the morning and the second they

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Speaker 1: step out of the front door. But they act like

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Speaker 1: this is specific for immigration enforcement. This is meant to

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Speaker 1: be terrifying. And if anyone thinks that I'm exaggerating, you've

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Speaker 1: got Tom Ricks, a well known New York Times columnist

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Speaker 1: or a writer for the New York Times. He writes

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Speaker 1: our U s immigration centers the next abu grabe, I mean,

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Speaker 1: come on, what is going on here? Well, I think

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Speaker 1: that you know, there are some reports that are being

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Speaker 1: blasted through the media that are less than entirely accurate,

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Speaker 1: and there's some other folks that really just have to

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Speaker 1: acclimate to the fact that we have a complete and

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Speaker 1: total change, not necessarily of the law, but really in

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Speaker 1: terms of an enforcement. A lot of these laws that

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Speaker 1: are at issue have been on the books for a

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Speaker 1: long time. And in fact, a lot of the reason

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Speaker 1: and the authority why the current administration has the ability

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Speaker 1: to reissue this immigration order is because President Trump is

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Speaker 1: really just applying immigration law that was enacted during the

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Speaker 1: Obama administration. It was during the Obama years, um, that

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Speaker 1: Congress enacted a statute really laying out the groundwork, UM,

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Speaker 1: that helps to define what these seven nations are that

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Speaker 1: are going to be the subject of this executive order. Um.

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Speaker 1: President Trump didn't create that law, but he has the

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Speaker 1: authority to act under the Immigration Code. He has the

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Speaker 1: authority to act under Article two of the United States Constitution.

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Speaker 1: So really, when there's a reporting that things have changed,

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Speaker 1: they really haven't changed as much in the law as

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Speaker 1: much as they have changed in terms of the enforcement

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Speaker 1: of the law. And do you think that the the

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Speaker 1: enforcement of the law is going to meet with a

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Speaker 1: lot of particular legal challenges now? Are This is what

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Speaker 1: I wonder because people have gotten used to a sense

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Speaker 1: of lawlessness here in that there's all this stuff that

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Speaker 1: we know is on the books but hadn't been enforced

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Speaker 1: under years of Obama. That was the guidance for the

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Speaker 1: Department of Justice for Immigrations and Customs Enforcement. There have

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Speaker 1: these policies that were just the way it was done,

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Speaker 1: even though it wasn't the way it was written by Congress.

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Speaker 1: So does that mean that it will be you know,

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Speaker 1: is there any ability for somebody to say, well, you

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Speaker 1: can't do this to me now, because even though that's

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Speaker 1: what the law says, I have an expectation of how

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Speaker 1: it's been in the past. You see any any ways

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Speaker 1: that the a c, l U and all these other

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Speaker 1: groups that are in a frenzy right now will be

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Speaker 1: able to challenge this new enforcement crackdown. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: interesting because although I think the answer to that clearly

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Speaker 1: is no. UM, when you have people that are trying

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Speaker 1: to micro manage and microlitigate the president's immigration authority, UM,

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Speaker 1: you do see people that are are trying to fight back.

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Speaker 1: And you'll see that, I'm sure over the next couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks when the new order is released on Wednesday. Look,

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Speaker 1: if you take a look at what happened in the

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Speaker 1: Ninth Circuit litigation and first version of this travel order,

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Speaker 1: it was really interesting to see what was going on.

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Speaker 1: You know, you talk about the interesting issue of people

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Speaker 1: not accepting it and saying that they would like it

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Speaker 1: to be the way things were. There were declarations that

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Speaker 1: were signed by people from the prior administration into the

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Speaker 1: court trying to micro argue with the president to say

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Speaker 1: that they wouldn't do it that way. UM. John Kerry

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Speaker 1: signed a statement that was filed with the court saying

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Speaker 1: that he doesn't think this is the right way to go.

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Speaker 1: Look if the courts and the former administration officials are

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Speaker 1: going to be throwing darts and have the ability to

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Speaker 1: litigate against the President and try to get injunctions against

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Speaker 1: him every time that he tries to manage immigration issues

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Speaker 1: that he's legally authorized to do, then this whole thing

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Speaker 1: is going to become a huge mess, which it already

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Speaker 1: has been, which is why I think he's taking a

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Speaker 1: little bit more time to trim down this executive order. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think the bottom line is will see some challenges,

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Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, I think that

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Speaker 1: the President prevails. Do you think it's fair to say?

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Speaker 1: And this is how I see it, Although I'm I

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Speaker 1: don't work inside the legal system and don't have a

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Speaker 1: law degree, but it seems to me that a difference

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Speaker 1: between what we saw unto the Obama administration, and what

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Speaker 1: we see so far into the Trump administration is that

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Speaker 1: under Obama. Under Obama's time in office, there were legal challenges,

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Speaker 1: but the legal challenges were you don't as president. I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about of the big issues like his his enforcement. Uh,

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Speaker 1: what was an executive guidance. I don't think it was

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Speaker 1: technic an executive or executive action, but it was we

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Speaker 1: don't think that you even have the authority as president

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Speaker 1: to do this. Under Trump, it seems that there are

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Speaker 1: people that want to use the judiciary just say we

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Speaker 1: don't think this is a good idea. Maybe you're allowed

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Speaker 1: to do this technically, but we don't think you should

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Speaker 1: do it because it's bad. And so we're going to

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Speaker 1: challenge you in court, and even if we're going to

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Speaker 1: lose in the end, the challenge itself becomes becomes sort

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Speaker 1: of the the the obstacle or you know that the

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Speaker 1: processes the punishment for the administration. Sure, absolutely, And I

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Speaker 1: think really what you're also talking about is is a

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Speaker 1: question that really cuts to the heart of what in

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Speaker 1: the Constitution we call separation of powers. Who has the

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Speaker 1: authority ultimately to determine a mimigration policy, um is it

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Speaker 1: the courts UH that are able to come in and

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Speaker 1: and and ask these factual questions or to try to

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Speaker 1: question the wisdom of it? Clearly not. The President has

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Speaker 1: the authority UM through this executive order to be able

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Speaker 1: to apply the law as it is right now. And

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Speaker 1: of course the prior administration UH handled executive orders a

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Speaker 1: lot differently, and then that was a huge controversy as well. UM.

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Speaker 1: But but ultimately that really is a question of whether

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Speaker 1: there's authority to do it and will there be a

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Speaker 1: court um that will ultimately not back up the president. Look,

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Speaker 1: even if there's a split in the circuits in the

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Speaker 1: first Circuit and the Ninth Circuit starts to split on this,

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Speaker 1: by the time Justice course WAG is a um placed

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Speaker 1: into the United States Supreme Court. Even if it goes

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Speaker 1: all the way to the top, the President is going

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Speaker 1: to get at least a four three vote in his favor. So,

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Speaker 1: whether it's the short term or the long term, the

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Speaker 1: president is going to win this big legal battle. Can

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Speaker 1: we keep you through the break to talk about the

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Speaker 1: bathroom battle on the other side, because I want to

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Speaker 1: give that enough time to get into it a bit.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a few minutes. It would be my pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Seth Baron Wegg is an attorney and managing partner at

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Speaker 1: Baron's Wegg Leonard. He'll be back with us. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: about transgender rights and the bathroom battle in just a

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Speaker 1: few minutes. Welcome back, Jean Buck. We were talking to

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Speaker 1: Seth Barons Wegg, attorney and managing partner a Baron's Wig Leonard,

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Speaker 1: about immigration before. Now we're gonna move to the transgender

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Speaker 1: bathroom fight that's underway right now with the government, UH

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Speaker 1: first telling you where is this? This is heading to

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. You think what's going to happen with

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Speaker 1: this federal guidance that Obama put in place that now

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Speaker 1: Trump has removed, which means that bathroom use policy for

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Speaker 1: transgender students reverts to the states. I assume there's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a lot of fights over this exactly. There is

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Speaker 1: a Supreme Court argument that's coming up um this spring.

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Speaker 1: A student by the name of Gavin Graham, a seventeen

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Speaker 1: year old transgender student from Virginia, UH is litigating this

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Speaker 1: and it'll be coming up in the Supreme Court shortly.

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Speaker 1: The backdrop of this heat it up not long ago,

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Speaker 1: just a couple of months ago when the Obama administration,

860
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Speaker 1: through its federal agencies, put out and really laid down

861
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Speaker 1: the law to, among other places, school districts, saying, look,

862
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Speaker 1: we're going to apply certain aspects of the Civil Rights

863
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Speaker 1: Act and now say that gender discrimination, Uh, as far

864
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Speaker 1: as we're concerned includes gender identity, and therefore you have

865
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Speaker 1: to follow our way or the highway, and then you're

866
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Speaker 1: going to get otherwise in all kinds of trouble. Um.

867
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Speaker 1: And without getting two wrapped around the legal weeds, they

868
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Speaker 1: applied it to under Title nine, which applies to schools,

869
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Speaker 1: entitle one of the Civil Rights Act that applies to employment.

870
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Speaker 1: So this was really an earth shattering moment. Uh. It's

871
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Speaker 1: the government telling both employers and schools that, Um, in

872
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Speaker 1: one fell swoop, they had to treat gender discrimination to

873
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Speaker 1: also include gender identity, and and therefore the bathroom use

874
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Speaker 1: issue became kind of ensconced in that issue. And then

875
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Speaker 1: really legally, the question became who has the authority to

876
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Speaker 1: create that law? Um. And really at the end of

877
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Speaker 1: the day, the legislatures are the only ones that can legislate.

878
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: And therefore, when this president came in, UM, he recently said, look,

879
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Speaker 1: we're going to attract that we don't think that's right,

880
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: and at the end of the day, we're going to

881
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Speaker 1: let these important and often divisive issues be governed by

882
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: the states themselves. Saith, let me ask you, and a

883
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: lot of different contexts, people say that there is a

884
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 1: legal test and you have to go there are certain

885
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: steps you have to be met to qualify as something

886
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Speaker 1: or uh you know. For example, recently in the Maryland,

887
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Speaker 1: Maryland's Fourth Circuit said, I think quite wrongly that Heller

888
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: puts forward a test that says that, you know, weapons

889
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: that are weapons of war would not be things you

890
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: could own in the Second Amendment, and they created a

891
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Speaker 1: new test for firems. I think it's wrong, but at

892
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 1: least they laid out some specifics here. I one part

893
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Speaker 1: of this issue, other than the fact that men are

894
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Speaker 1: men and women or women male female, is gender and

895
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: biology base. But other than that, very basic argument but

896
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Speaker 1: very importan in one, what qualifies? Are there legal steps

897
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: that one meets under this federal guidance that abob put

898
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Speaker 1: in place to be transgender? Or could you say I've

899
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Speaker 1: decided I'm transgender, I want to use the lock women's

900
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: locker room today just because you know, is there a

901
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 1: way they challenge this or do you have to meet

902
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: certain steps? Because otherwise it seems like if it's just

903
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: based on psychology and based on a position, well one

904
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: should be able to pick and choose that position as

905
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Speaker 1: a ce fit. In fact, they say it's the progressive

906
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Speaker 1: say it's a spectrum, and there are thirty seven different genders,

907
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Speaker 1: so I would assume that you could be trans for

908
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Speaker 1: a little while and then not trans, Or are there

909
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Speaker 1: or their legal steps? Is there a test in place? Well? Sure,

910
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Speaker 1: and and and that's really the problem because you know,

911
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 1: it's such a complicated issue, and it's being treated as

912
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: a complicated issue. Um, but really it's ultimately very simple.

913
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Speaker 1: The Supreme Court has said more than once that they

914
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Speaker 1: consider gender to be what they call an immutable characteristic.

915
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Speaker 1: In other words, this is what you're born with. And

916
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Speaker 1: what a radical notion. Sorry, go ahead, that's okay. And

917
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Speaker 1: and then subsequently, when the United States Congress created statutes

918
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Speaker 1: that wanted to just have um, the the the traditional

919
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Speaker 1: definition of gender discrimination, such for example, for employment discrimination,

920
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Speaker 1: then they said that it was based upon gender in

921
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Speaker 1: that Supreme Court standard. Uh. Now, the Obama administration recently

922
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: came out and said we're changing that. The problem with

923
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Speaker 1: that is that that's not what Congress said. And in fact,

924
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Speaker 1: there have been some instances where when Congress and again

925
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Speaker 1: the only people who can legislate and create laws of

926
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Speaker 1: the legislatures, which was one of the controversies of the

927
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Speaker 1: Obama administration, um that that was the problem. When the

928
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Speaker 1: Congress wanted to and intended to create gender identification, um

929
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Speaker 1: self identification as an issue, it put it in a

930
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Speaker 1: law in these pieces that you and I are talking

931
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Speaker 1: about under Title one, entitled nine of the Civil Rights Act,

932
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Speaker 1: Congress declined to do so. They were encouraged a number

933
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Speaker 1: of times over the years to include gender identification, and

934
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Speaker 1: they decline. Afterwards, the President basically made the law himself. Now,

935
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Speaker 1: I know it's controversial and people can have moral arguments

936
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Speaker 1: all day about it, and that's to be respected, but

937
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Speaker 1: ultimately it's really up to the legislature to legislate. And

938
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Speaker 1: when you say what's the legal standard, it's the statute,

939
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Speaker 1: and these statutes don't include gender identification as part of

940
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Speaker 1: the litmus test. If there's going to be a change,

941
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Speaker 1: it's got to be from the legislatures on the state

942
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Speaker 1: or the federal level. So the Supreme Court is going

943
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Speaker 1: to take up this issue. Do you are you one

944
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Speaker 1: who do you stay away from making prognostications about how

945
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 1: the Supremes will go on this? Well, it's a great question,

946
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Speaker 1: and I think it really all depends upon when Justice

947
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: Courses gets brought into the Supreme Court. I think that

948
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Speaker 1: his um that process gets UNDERWIG in about a month, uh,

949
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Speaker 1: and I anticipate that he'll probably be on the court

950
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Speaker 1: by then, So I think it will be a close

951
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: call um. But ultimately I believe that the Supreme Court

952
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: will conclude um that this just cannot be created um

953
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Speaker 1: out of whole cloth. That has to be created legislatively.

954
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Speaker 1: And therefore I think it will support the school um

955
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Speaker 1: and and look at Virginia wants to change the standard

956
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: or Congress wants to create new rights, then they should

957
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: do and then let's have a social debate. But other

958
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: than that, it again, just like the first case we

959
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 1: talked about, it's a separation of powers issue. Seth Baron's

960
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Speaker 1: Wegg is an attorney and managing partner at Baron's Wig Leonard.

961
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Speaker 1: He is at Seth Baron's weag on Twitter, Sir, thank

962
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: you so much for calling in Grid to have you

963
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Speaker 1: my pleasure. I just want to revisit something for a

964
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Speaker 1: minute here, team, because I was talking about the ep

965
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Speaker 1: A before and I mentioned and I hate when I

966
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Speaker 1: when I miss a big target, you know, when I'm

967
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 1: when I'm above, when I'm above the target and I'm

968
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: dropping bombs, and I missed the munitions factory. If I

969
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Speaker 1: can get another another swoop around, another chance at it,

970
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: I want to take it. And so to consider this

971
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Speaker 1: a swoop around. Maybe we could get like a cool

972
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: sound effect for that. When Buck returns to something that

973
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 1: he had talked about earlier in the show, and pardon

974
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Speaker 1: of the third person speaking there, It just happens when

975
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: you're on radio sometimes. So the city of during I

976
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 1: was talking about the e p A and how it's

977
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 1: mission is to regulate CEO two, which is what you

978
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,280
Speaker 1: breathe out and what plants take in during the process

979
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 1: of photosynthesis photosynthesis and then they release oxygen as their byproduct,

980
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: and we breathe in oxygen. Isn't nice. It's the circle

981
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: of life. So I guess the circle of life is

982
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: a little different that, but you know what I mean. Actually, no,

983
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: that's a circle of life. It's all, you know, it's

984
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: all the same. So e p A spill. The e

985
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 1: p A spill that happened though, is a reminder of

986
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: not only does government take on politicized missions, the federal

987
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: bureaucracy takes on mission missions for itself that are clearly

988
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: um at odds with commerce, at odds with prosperity for

989
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: the American people, and are just ideologically driven. Even though

990
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: the executive branch is supposed to be the implementing arm

991
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,720
Speaker 1: of what has established policy by the White House based

992
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: on statute and the constitution. Right, that's the way it's

993
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: a post to go. They're the implementors. But what we

994
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: see more and more is the regulatory state, our rulemaking

995
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: bodies unto themselves, their legislative bodies unto themselves. So the

996
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 1: e p A can come up with a within the

997
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 1: e p A, they'll be given the authority to come

998
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: up with a rule, and then that rule has real

999
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: consequences for people. It's not a congressionally legislated action. So

1000
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: you have no accountability here. What do you do you

1001
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: complain to the e p A. They're like, they're like

1002
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: the State Department. We were here before. The President will

1003
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:29,919
Speaker 1: be here after the president. They don't care. At least

1004
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,919
Speaker 1: that was their attitude may change a little bit now.

1005
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 1: But as I was talking about the core mission of

1006
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: of protecting the environment, which of course states could do.

1007
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,439
Speaker 1: Call me crazy, you know, I don't think the state

1008
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: of Louisiana, the state of Idaho, the state of Florida,

1009
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: name is state. I don't think a state wants to

1010
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: pollute its water and let its children uh suffer and

1011
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: get you know, fatal diseases or lifelong chronic conditions because

1012
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: of dirty water. I don't think state governments anymore than

1013
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: the federal government want to be in that business. And

1014
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,720
Speaker 1: in fact offered to you that state governments probably would

1015
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 1: be in a better position to know what is good

1016
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 1: land usage and how they protect their own waterways, because yeah,

1017
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: that's right. We have the system of federalism and they're

1018
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: closer to the issue, and there's a greater understanding as

1019
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: well as a greater importance put on local commerce as

1020
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,720
Speaker 1: well as environmental defense, so all of those things. Anyway,

1021
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: E P. A based out of Washington, d C. If

1022
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Speaker 1: you watch any movies in recent years, of course E P.

1023
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: A is always a good guy, except for Ghostbusters. What

1024
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: was that movie with John Travolta. I can't hear what

1025
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: it was now doing to the John Travolta movie, I

1026
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: don't remember, but it was he's like, there's a lake

1027
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 1: that keeps catching on fire because the toxic waste, and

1028
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm gonna stop this, and everyone's like, yeah,

1029
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: it's not really the way EPA works, But I digress.

1030
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Speaker 1: All right, Um, the city of Durango and Laplata, don't

1031
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 1: forget the e p A spill that happened there. I mean,

1032
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 1: the e p A actually spilled the stuff. This was

1033
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: back in two not long ago in Colorado. The e

1034
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: p A was trying to clean up what was the

1035
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: clean up a mind, and they messed up and a

1036
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: one million gallons of wastewater spilled out of the abandoned

1037
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: mine area and the southern part of the state. So

1038
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: they turned and otherwise beautiful and bucolic river orange with wastewater.

1039
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: They turned the river orange. It's almost biblical sounding. And

1040
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: then the river doth turn orange because you know, but no,

1041
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 1: this was just they dumped a bunch of stuff, a

1042
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: bunch of junk in the river. Granted it was an accident,

1043
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: but this is the agency that's most to protect rivers.

1044
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: So once again, not only did they take an overly

1045
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,760
Speaker 1: broad mission and politicize that mission with all that climate

1046
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: change hysteria, but because it's the federal government and because

1047
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: they're acting often outside their core competency, they make mistakes.

1048
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 1: And in the case of the e p A, that

1049
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: mistake includes when they're supposed to be protecting an air

1050
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: area from waste and from destruction, they in fact are

1051
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: the ones that dump a million gallons of waste water

1052
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: into river and turn it orange. Pretty bad stuff. Let's

1053
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: talk a bit about Russia and the White House crackdown

1054
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: on leaks coming up in just a few buck is back.

1055
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: Everybody bucks back. It's more of America now, throwing your

1056
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: two cents one eight four four nine hundred buck. That's

1057
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: one eight four four, nine hundred to eight to five.

1058
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: The Democrats realize they're in rough shape. You could say,

1059
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 1: they have lost a tremendous amount of seats in the

1060
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: House and the Senate of the course of Obama's presidency.

1061
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: They have lost state houses, they have lost governorships, and

1062
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: currently they are a true opposition party. They are not

1063
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: in charge of the House. They do not have a

1064
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: majority in the Senate, and of course, as we all know,

1065
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: they don't have the White House. Despite all of the

1066
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: brilliance and charm of Hillary on the campaign show, I

1067
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: just love the American people as long as they're rich

1068
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Speaker 1: enough to pay two hundred and fifty thousand dollars for

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Speaker 1: a speech. Oh, we're all saved from that. At least

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Speaker 1: don't have to listen to Hillary Clinton out there on

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Speaker 1: the stump anymore. Although I did read a piece today

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Speaker 1: that there is some possibility, it is considered to be

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Speaker 1: possible that Chelsea Clinton, her daughter, may decide to run

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Speaker 1: for Congress out in Westchester and the very very fancy

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Speaker 1: own clave around Chappaqua. Hello, Chappaqua. Oh did you did

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Speaker 1: you have your servants bring out the tea? Chappaqua? Oh? No,

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Speaker 1: The servants not allowed to be seen in public on

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Speaker 1: day's lef today. They stay out of sight in Chappaqua.

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Speaker 1: So she might run. Chelsea Clinton might run for the Congress.

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Speaker 1: This is just this is just being put out there

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Speaker 1: right now, and if that gets closer, I'm gonna have

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Speaker 1: a lot to say about that, because political dynasties need

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00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: to be and this is true on the Republican side too.

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Speaker 1: I I am a bipartisan Uh, I shouldn't say haters.

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Speaker 1: I don't hate it, but I am a bipartisan critic

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Speaker 1: of the notion that because mumsy or daddy, usually it's daddy,

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Speaker 1: but can be mumsy, like Hillary Clinton is a famous

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Speaker 1: political name, that the progeny of said famous political person

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Speaker 1: should be given higher office just because. Yeah. Not not

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Speaker 1: going to go along with that. But the Democratic Party

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00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: is in trouble that they don't have a clear and

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Speaker 1: obvious leader right now. You have a few people who

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Speaker 1: are trying to grab the mantle of the progressive left.

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Speaker 1: I still don't think that that is a winning national strategy.

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Speaker 1: So whether it's Bernie Sanders or a Folca hauntis Warren

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Speaker 1: one or the other, it doesn't matter. I don't think

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Speaker 1: that that's that's an important part of the Democrats base.

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Speaker 1: But I don't believe either one of them would win

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Speaker 1: a national election. We'll see. I could be wrong, but

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Speaker 1: my impression of it is that neither one of them.

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Speaker 1: America is not quite ready for an open socialist yet,

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Speaker 1: and we need to have If you have catastrophic failure

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Speaker 1: of the Trump administration, which I do not expect, will happen.

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Speaker 1: But of course it's a possibility. If you have catastrophic

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Speaker 1: failure of the Trump administration, maybe then there'll be some

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Speaker 1: leftist surge in this country and a democrat socialist would

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Speaker 1: have a real, a real run of office. But I

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Speaker 1: think enough Americans are still aware of socialism, and if

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Speaker 1: they're not of the problems that socialism post, it's really

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Speaker 1: the evils that socialism creates. And if they're not, we

1111
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Speaker 1: can just always run a little Google search on Venezuela,

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Speaker 1: which is really actually more a question of state control

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Speaker 1: of the economy that even classic socialism. And there you

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Speaker 1: have a kleptocracy with Maduro government making sure or that

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Speaker 1: the people at the very top his cronies are well

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Speaker 1: taken care of, and there was redistribution of wealth to

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Speaker 1: the bottom and the seizure of so I mean there

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Speaker 1: is some classic social stuff. You remember. Socialism really is

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Speaker 1: government control of the means of production and the distribution

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Speaker 1: of the fruits of that production. And now in Venezuela

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Speaker 1: that's gone so poorly that they have an average of

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Speaker 1: almost twenty pounds of weight loss for a population that

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Speaker 1: largely cannot afford physically healthfully to lose that amount of

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Speaker 1: weight because they're losing it because they don't have enough food.

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Speaker 1: A year ago we're having shortages of water, a clean

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Speaker 1: water and toilet paper. Now they just don't have food.

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Speaker 1: But the government's there to tell people, well, you need

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Speaker 1: to sell. If you're going to sell appliances, you need

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Speaker 1: to sell them for this amount of money. And of

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Speaker 1: course the people uh the government telling these businesses that

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Speaker 1: doesn't take into account that if they do that, they're

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Speaker 1: losing money on those appliances, which means they go out

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Speaker 1: of business. But it sounds good, and then Medora can

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Speaker 1: go on TV and talk about how he's for the

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01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 1: people and all the rest of it. So democrats, socialists

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01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: or strongman socialists or anything socialists I think is going

1137
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: to have a tough time would have a tough time

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Speaker 1: winning the presidency at this point. But if they can

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Speaker 1: help push Trump into a failed presidency status, then you

1140
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: don't know that it's then may be possible. It's very

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Speaker 1: We'll have to see where we are. I'm still a

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01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: little shocked that Bernie Sanders got as much support as

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Speaker 1: he did in the last election. A socialist who owned

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Speaker 1: three houses you would think would be open to charges

1145
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 1: of hypocrisy, but there is something of the earnest professor

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Speaker 1: and Grandpa all rolled into one with Sanders. That created

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Speaker 1: a sense of appeal among many people who are just

1148
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 1: looking for something different in that would be a change

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Speaker 1: in the way our government functions. Isn't it fastening? That

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Speaker 1: Obama promised change, But in so many ways the government

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01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 1: just continued, only bigger and with even worse flaws that

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01:02:56,680 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 1: had had previously, and just doubling down on a lot

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Speaker 1: of the problems that government was causing. So it was

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01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 1: changing and that it was getting worse, but it wasn't

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Speaker 1: changed as in altering a lot of the main government

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Speaker 1: processes and how it goes about its business. Okay, back

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01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: to the Democratic Party in the shape and it's in.

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Speaker 1: Actually we have Robert Reich who is called upon for

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01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 1: his commentary even though he says some pretty pretty foolish

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01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 1: things sometimes. But I don't know, it seems like a

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Speaker 1: nice enough guy, I guess for a progressive. He was

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01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 1: on ABC's this week. He was Clinton's former secretary of

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Speaker 1: Labor and he called it out on the Democrats here

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Speaker 1: play it right now. There is a disconnect, George, between

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Speaker 1: a rather sclerotic Democratic apparatus which is in complete disarray.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Democratic Party has not been in this

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01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: bad shape since perhaps the nineteen twenties and a huge

1168
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 1: uprising at the grassroots, mostly against Trump. Now, how can

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Speaker 1: Tom Perez? Can he actually utilized turn the Democratic Party

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Speaker 1: from a vast fundraising machine into a movement? Hasn't been

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01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 1: done before? Very easily? Can this individual Tom Perez who

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Speaker 1: is now the d n C chairman Democratic Party chairman,

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Speaker 1: is he able to create a movement out of this?

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Speaker 1: You'd have to say a movement for what? This is

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01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 1: a fascinating philosophical question out facing the Democratic Party. Other

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01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 1: than bigger government, and other than the redistribution of wealth,

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Speaker 1: what does the Democrat Party stand for? Uh? When you

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Speaker 1: look at anything beyond that, it often is just whatever

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Speaker 1: is oppositional to the Republicans. From a social standpoint, it's

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Speaker 1: trying to kick at the load bearing walls of Western civilization.

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Speaker 1: From a national security standpoint, it tries to undermine many

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Speaker 1: of our natural reaction reaction and tendencies two threats like

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Speaker 1: and radical Islam, as well as others by saying that

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Speaker 1: it's we're the cause of these problems. If we took

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Speaker 1: a different approach. This wouldn't be so bad if we

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01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 1: went around and bowed, if we apologized to the Muslim world,

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Speaker 1: if we extended a hand. Yeah, that's right, they did this.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget with all the Russia hawks. Now, if we

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Speaker 1: only were more flexible towards Medvedev, as as Obama said,

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Speaker 1: and we're a little bit warmer and fuzzier towards Putin,

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01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 1: maybe we could find more common ground with them. And

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01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 1: that's the way the Democrats approach national security, at least philosophically.

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01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 1: On terrorism, they realized that that's a huge liability for

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01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 1: them if they get hit at home, and so they

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01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 1: continued and many of the policies of the Bush administration.

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Speaker 1: Obama continued many of them. He inherited a whole counter

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Speaker 1: terrorism apparatus that he continued to use, largely because he

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Speaker 1: had to, because he knew that what a lot of

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Speaker 1: what Bush was doing was right. And the expansion of

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Speaker 1: the drone campaign, one of the most underreported aspects I

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01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 1: think of the Obama presidency, is something we'll revisit in

1202
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 1: the third hour today when we talk about the raid,

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01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 1: the Special Operations raid in Yemen that is now getting

1204
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 1: so much attention in the media. But back to the

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01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 1: Democratic Party what it's trying to do. They say, let's

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Speaker 1: create a movement. The problem the Democrats have is that

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Speaker 1: what they do and what they say are not the

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Speaker 1: same thing. And the Democratic Party ultimately offers up more

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01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 1: government and more redistribution of wealth. And that's not really

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Speaker 1: the American way, for lack of a better way of

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Speaker 1: putting it, that's not how the American people see themselves.

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Speaker 1: We're not a country where we, in the aggregate, still

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Speaker 1: want to have a larger government that's taking more stuff

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Speaker 1: and giving that stuff to other people. Because government will

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Speaker 1: do a better job allocating those resources that are yours

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Speaker 1: that they're taking from you by force, I might add,

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01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 1: then you will do Most Americans don't buy into that.

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Speaker 1: There there is still this large segment of the U.

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Speaker 1: S population that believes in American dream that does not

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Speaker 1: revolve around what was the name of that of that

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01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 1: guy who you know that? What was it? The Pajama

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01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 1: boy was getting Obamacare, The Life of Julia. I think

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Speaker 1: it was called the Life. It was a woman. It

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01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 1: just was a a d n C or a Democrat.

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Speaker 1: Ad I forget who put it out where you have

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Speaker 1: this woman who just was a timeline of her life,

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Speaker 1: and it was all the places where government's doing stuff

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Speaker 1: for her, as though government's going to make you happy,

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Speaker 1: and so government's your friend, it's gonna keep you safe

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Speaker 1: and warm. This is a terrible lie that the Democratic

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Speaker 1: Party tells to people. It is uninspiring and it is

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01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 1: also untrue. Those are its main weaknesses, and when you

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Speaker 1: look at it that way, you have a total and

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01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: clear understanding of why it is the Democratic Party is

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01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 1: currently in such disrepair as an institution. And to offer

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Speaker 1: up Tom Perez, oh, let's talk about what his goals are.

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Speaker 1: We have a clip of him saying what their message

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01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 1: is going to be against the Trump administration. Play clip ten.

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Speaker 1: Are you comfortable with the Democrats being known as the

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01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 1: party of no? Now? The Democrats are the party of

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01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 1: opportunity and inclusion. We are going to communicate our message,

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Speaker 1: whether it's through lawsuits like the state attorneys general did

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01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 1: to stop the Muslim band, whether it's through actions yesterday

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01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 1: at the Poles in Delaware and hopefully April and Congressional

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01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 1: six right here in Georgia. And we're going to communicate

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01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:22,839
Speaker 1: that message that we are the party that lifts your wages.

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01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 1: We are the party that preserves your health care. We

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01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:28,040
Speaker 1: are the party that's going to be fighting for middle

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01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 1: class security every single day, an opportunity for everyone. See,

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Speaker 1: here's the problem with that the main brand, and I

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01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:35,280
Speaker 1: know a lot of you are like, oh, Buck, I

1252
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 1: wish I could take some swings at that nonsense too,

1253
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 1: and you can. You can call in if you want

1254
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Speaker 1: to to five. But here's the problem with what Perez

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01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 1: just said. First of all, nobody is inspired by We're

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01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 1: gonna sue a lot. Saying that you're going to be

1257
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 1: litigious as a means of pushing back against the government

1258
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 1: agenda is just showing that you're unwilling to even try

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01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 1: to find errors. Is there's really nothing the Democrat Party

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01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 1: and the Republicans can do together to better the lives

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01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 1: of Americans. The Democrats say no, and people say, well,

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01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:10,639
Speaker 1: that's true of Republicans. True under Obama, that is not true.

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01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 1: Obama has refused to listen to anything that Republicans wanted

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Speaker 1: to do. Anything that Republicans wanted was to know. And

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01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:21,840
Speaker 1: now with the Republicans in power, Democrats are once again

1266
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 1: zero sum, and their approach to all of this. But

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01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 1: so lawsuits are not inspiring. It's hard to build It's

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01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 1: hard to build a political movement among or based on

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01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:36,720
Speaker 1: endless lawsuits against the government. Right, We're not talking about

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Speaker 1: lawsuits against one evil institution or something to bring it down,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's not like suing big tobacco or whatever. Uh,

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Speaker 1: just suing the government to try to h gum up

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01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 1: the works in the courts. That's not inspiring. But then

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Speaker 1: there's the other part, and this is a big problem

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Speaker 1: that Democrats hapen. They don't have an answer for this.

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Speaker 1: He talks about rising incomes, he talks about helping the

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Speaker 1: middle class and keeping healthcare. We've just had the Democrats

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Speaker 1: running the show for well at least uh four of

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Speaker 1: the last eight years. But we've had a Democrat president

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Speaker 1: for eight years and his policies because of what was

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Speaker 1: done in the first two years or all we've really

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Speaker 1: been through for eight years. The Republicans have been able

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Speaker 1: to do almost nothing for eight years. And the Democrats

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01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 1: had their shot and it was no good. They had

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Speaker 1: their shot and they blew it. Why would you listen

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Speaker 1: to now if you're in the middle class, why would

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Speaker 1: you believe they can change things? What did Obama do

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Speaker 1: for the middle class. What did Obama do for my

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Speaker 1: minority communities across the country. Sure, on some political issues,

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Speaker 1: the White House was very quick to either exacerbate fears

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Speaker 1: of unequal treatment, and they had a very politically active

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Speaker 1: civil rights division of the Justice Department out there, always

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01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 1: worried about looming racism. But what did he really do

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Speaker 1: for minority communities across the country. It's a question for

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Speaker 1: which I can't think of any good answer, and neither

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Speaker 1: can the Democrats. It's a big problem. Oh sorry, eight

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Speaker 1: four four, four to five. We'll be right back, team.

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Speaker 1: We got Mike and Ohio on the line. W w

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Speaker 1: v A. What's up, Mike, Good evening, Buck, how are

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Speaker 1: you this evening. I'm good, good evening to you, sir.

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Speaker 1: I want to chime in on the transgender bathroom issue

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Speaker 1: as far as locker rooms are concerned. I mean, I

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01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 1: can see the problem, but for bathrooms. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you're a male and you're walking into a ladies room, uh,

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Speaker 1: there's only stalls in there. These are private stalls, and seriously,

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01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 1: no one's gonna know if you're a male or a female.

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Speaker 1: And the same thing of female going into a men's room. Um, anatomically,

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01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 1: they do not have the parts to use a urinal

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01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 1: So if they're going into um a regular stall, Uh,

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01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:00,800
Speaker 1: it's it's a moot point. Well, you've got a couple

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Speaker 1: of things here. I'm sorry, you want to finish your point,

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Speaker 1: go ahead. I want to say they keep their LGB

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Speaker 1: on the QT. Who's gonna know. Well, first of all,

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Speaker 1: it applies to locker rooms as well as to bathrooms.

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Speaker 1: So any place where there is segregation of the sexes

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Speaker 1: for the purposes of being able to not be exposed

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01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 1: to the other sexes private parts and them looking at

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01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 1: you while you're changing and and all the rest of it,

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01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:29,639
Speaker 1: that is covered under this policy as well. So it's

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Speaker 1: not just bathrooms, right, it's anything where there is segregation

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Speaker 1: of the sexes and uh and nakedness or also known

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Speaker 1: as nudity. Uh So anywhere where that's happening, that's a

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Speaker 1: part of this. But it also I think Mike, you

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Speaker 1: have to keep in mind that for a lot of women, uh,

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Speaker 1: the notion of a man being in the bathroom with

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Speaker 1: them where they are disrobing and doing their stuff as

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Speaker 1: as ladies is very uh uncomfortable and in fact niven

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Speaker 1: and for some of them, uh, create some real anxiety,

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Speaker 1: especially if they've suffered, you know, any abuse. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there are there are real concerns with how comfortable one

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01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 1: would be in that situation. Um. And also you know,

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Speaker 1: keep in mind, I mean you're assuming that a guy

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Speaker 1: who goes into a ladies room who says that he's

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Speaker 1: now a lady is transgender, you know, maybe leaves the

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Speaker 1: door open, right, I mean, you know we're creating these

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01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 1: separate these separate areas for these activities for the purposes

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01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 1: of allowing women and men, but really more for the

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Speaker 1: for women to feel comfortable. Right. It's it's about a

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01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,759
Speaker 1: comfort level issue. And if you have a two hundred

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Speaker 1: pound guy who's got a wig on and has been

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01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 1: taking some hormone therapy, who's all of a sudden going

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Speaker 1: into the women's room as there are women and they're

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01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 1: taking care of their lady things, it may make some

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01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 1: of them very uncomfortable. Once you add locker rooms into

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01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 1: the situation, though, now you've got guys who are getting

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01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 1: fully disrobed, who are anatomically male and we all know

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01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 1: what that means, who are right next to ladies who

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Speaker 1: have no clothing on. So you know, it's not just

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01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 1: a bathroom policy, it's a sex segregation policy. And I would,

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Speaker 1: I mean, just think about it in this context, Mike,

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01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 1: if you have a daughter, or a wife, or any

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Speaker 1: any female family members, Uh, do you want them changing

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01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:18,680
Speaker 1: next to a two pound guy who's totally naked in

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Speaker 1: the bathroom or in the in the locker room. I'm

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Speaker 1: I don't know, you tell me, but I would have

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01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:26,760
Speaker 1: a problem with that. No, I'm I'm still totally hung

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01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 1: up on the image of the two pound naked man

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Speaker 1: with the wig. Well, I mean, that's a real that's

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01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 1: a real thing that that happens. But thank you Mike

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Speaker 1: for calling in, Thank you for calling in from Ohio.

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Speaker 1: We've also actually hold on. I want to set up

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Speaker 1: our next segment a little bit, so we're gonna talk.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I don't know if anybody else who

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Speaker 1: does a daily, certainly daily national broadcast radio show with

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01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:53,240
Speaker 1: experience in a couple of war zones on the counter

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Speaker 1: terrorism side. So I do want to just say, and

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Speaker 1: pardon me for the little self promotion here when I

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Speaker 1: talk to you about this special Operations Yemen raid coming

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01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:04,680
Speaker 1: up here, I'm probably only radio host you will hear

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01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:07,599
Speaker 1: from who has actually served in the Middle East, served

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Speaker 1: in Rocks River in Afghanistan, been in some other nasty

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Speaker 1: counter terrorism hotspots too that I can't talk about on radio.

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Speaker 1: But I have an understanding of these issues from having

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Speaker 1: worked on them and having been deployed and been weapons

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01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 1: trained and qualified and all the rest of it that

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Speaker 1: others do not. And we also have a friend joining

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01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 1: from the special operations community to talk about what it

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01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 1: sounds like what happened on this raid, and also why

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01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:33,680
Speaker 1: it is now being politicized. We will get into that

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Speaker 1: the Yemen raid in just a few minutes. Stay with me,

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01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 1: Buck Sexton, with America now where there is always something

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01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 1: to talk about where you can trade opinions with Buck.

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01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 1: I'm not sure you'll win, though. Just call eight four

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Speaker 1: four nine hundred Buck. That's eight four four nine to

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Speaker 1: eight to five. All right, Buck, you're on alright, team,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back who the Freedom Hut. Thank you very much

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Speaker 1: for being here. We're gonna get into the Yemen raid

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Speaker 1: a little later on in this hour. By the way,

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Speaker 1: I've got a lot to share with you on that,

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Speaker 1: But first I gotta return to a topic that's getting

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Speaker 1: all kinds of attention of course, and that has to

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Speaker 1: do with the Trump Russia, the Russia connection. Duh damn.

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Speaker 1: We should come up with some cool theme music for this. Um.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what it would be, but you know

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01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 1: that the music that they always play in the Hunt

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Speaker 1: for Red October and all, it should be like that,

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01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 1: like that Russian choral music that's very haunting, and and

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01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:41,679
Speaker 1: all these voices of it all you know how it goes.

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Speaker 1: But the Trump Russia connection gets a lot of attention

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Speaker 1: because it's a it's a way of saying. And by

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01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 1: the way, all these people who were so outraged at

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01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 1: anybody who would question Obama's patriotism are are now a

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01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 1: lot of the same people that I see who are

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01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:04,599
Speaker 1: quite happy to suggest or even outright state that Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump is a trader for Russia. And I've gone over

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Speaker 1: this with you before, and we'll try to have on

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Speaker 1: some of the smarter voices that I know out there

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01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:15,720
Speaker 1: that have bought into this for whatever reason. I think

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01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 1: they're I think they're wrong, I mean, and I will

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01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:21,000
Speaker 1: tell them that. But there are certainly people who are

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01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:24,320
Speaker 1: otherwise knowledgeable on national security and intelligence matters who take

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01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:27,519
Speaker 1: the perspective that it's just a matter of time before

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Speaker 1: we find these bombshells in the Trump Russia investigation. I

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01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,640
Speaker 1: don't see that happening. I think it's greatly exaggerated. I

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01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 1: think that this is going to be much There's going

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01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:41,719
Speaker 1: to be a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing.

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Speaker 1: To borrow from the Bard himself. Yeah, Shakespeare on the

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01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:49,840
Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show. It's how we do. But you do

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01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 1: have people who are who are pushing this story. So

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01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 1: I just want to keep us updated on it. You

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Speaker 1: have Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunez saying what is obvious,

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Speaker 1: and I've said to you so far as well. You

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01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 1: have national security leaks, you have classified information making its

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01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:10,240
Speaker 1: way into the media's hands, and yet nothing that is

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01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:13,840
Speaker 1: damning in the way that so many suggests will be

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01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 1: found about Trump and Russia. So people with access to

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Speaker 1: top secret of information, including signals intelligence, including intercepts of

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Speaker 1: conversations between high level Russian and American officials, there are

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Speaker 1: people who have that information and they'll share it with

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Speaker 1: the media, but they still they still have nothing on

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01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 1: the Trump Russia tie. And I'm waiting, and I know

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Speaker 1: we're being told now they have to investigate, But the

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01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:41,800
Speaker 1: investigation is just an excuse for some people to talk

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01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 1: about this and surmise come to conclusions before there's any

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Speaker 1: evidence to support those conclusions. That's what this is really

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Speaker 1: all about, what they're doing. UM and Intelligence Committee Chairman

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Speaker 1: Devin Nunez is out there fighting the fight on this one.

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Speaker 1: He says, first of all, where is the evidence? Clip eight?

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Speaker 1: Can you say categorically that there were no contacts whatsoever

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Speaker 1: between any officials affiliated with the Russian government and the

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01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 1: Trump campaign? Not that I'm aware, We still have not

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Speaker 1: seen any evidence of anyone that's from the Trump compaign

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01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:22,080
Speaker 1: or any other campaign for that matter, that's communicated with

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Speaker 1: the Russian government. Now, so why would you agree to

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Speaker 1: be uh to talk to reporters at the behest of

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Speaker 1: the White House knowing that you're still looking into this matter. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so that's that story was a little odd, I thought,

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01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 1: because if you asked me to contact the White House

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Speaker 1: and said, hey, could you set me up with somebody

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Speaker 1: at D O D or the intelligence agencies? I would

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01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:48,639
Speaker 1: say sure. So it was a kind of an odd story,

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Speaker 1: I thought. Is it compromised in any way? Is that

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Speaker 1: the fact that you have already made this determination? Well,

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01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 1: how is it compromised if I'm trying to be transparent

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01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 1: with the press, and if the White House asks me

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01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 1: to talk to a reporter, which by the way, it

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Speaker 1: was one reporter. Uh, I don't know if the White

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Speaker 1: House asked me to talk to you, would you think

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Speaker 1: that that would be Okay? It's very important, team, So

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Speaker 1: I want to jump in here, very important. They're calling

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Speaker 1: for an investigation. They are claiming to know what the

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Speaker 1: outcome will be. Trump is a trader. And they're also

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Speaker 1: telling you as they're calling for an investigation that the

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Speaker 1: investigation is tainted. Now that's because at the end of

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Speaker 1: this they're not going to find what they want to find,

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Speaker 1: which is damning evidence of Trump campaign and maybe even

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Speaker 1: administration collusion in a way that is unethical and or

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Speaker 1: illegal with the Kremlin. But notice how they play the game.

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Speaker 1: We need an investigation, we need an investigation, but we

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Speaker 1: all know the investigation is tainted. We need an investigation,

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Speaker 1: but we all know that the fix is already in.

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Speaker 1: So they say that they want to find the facts.

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Speaker 1: They tell us before the acts are found, what they

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01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 1: think the facts will be at act, as if that's

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01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 1: already been decided. And they also say that well, we're

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01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 1: not going to get those facts because this is going

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Speaker 1: to be a sham. This is going to be a fake.

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Speaker 1: The investigation is not going to happen and be conducted

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Speaker 1: the way that it should. Well, isn't that convenient? Well,

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Speaker 1: isn't that special? Isn't that quite easy for them? Now,

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01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 1: so you have Nunius out there saying, look, we haven't

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Speaker 1: seen any evidence. They're trying to trap him. I should

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Speaker 1: note with these questions about any contacts between Russian officials

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Speaker 1: and the Trump campaign, just wait, you're they're going to

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01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 1: get on record some members of Congress or some spokesperson

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Speaker 1: for the Trump administration. They're gonna get him on record

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Speaker 1: saying no contact with the Russians. And then they'll find

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Speaker 1: that there was some contact with the Russians. But the

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Speaker 1: kind of contact that and administ or a would be

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Speaker 1: administration a campaign would have with any foreign government that

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Speaker 1: they're meeting with as part of the establishing of nations,

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01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 1: because relationships really matter. Well, we're not talking about a

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01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 1: country that either the US is completely uh an enemy

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01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 1: state of where it's not like he's meeting with the

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01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 1: North Koreans or the Iranians. We need with the assad

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01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:18,720
Speaker 1: regime's meeting with the Russians. Now, the Russians do some

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01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 1: very bad stuff, don't get me wrong, But the Russians

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01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 1: are also not able to be ignored. The Chinese also do.

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Speaker 1: For those who are so hawkish now in Russia, I

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01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:32,680
Speaker 1: would point out the Chinese also do some very bad stuff.

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01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:36,640
Speaker 1: But do you see anyone calling for Trump to just

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01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:39,439
Speaker 1: cut off all relations with China no more? You know,

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01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:41,439
Speaker 1: we we need to we need to beef up and

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01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:44,439
Speaker 1: and and get more harsh on our diplomacy. Do you

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01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:49,639
Speaker 1: see anybody asking the Trump administration two denounce the Chinese

1506
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:53,679
Speaker 1: premier for the human rights violations that are constantly going

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01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:56,960
Speaker 1: on in Russia. Do we see any of members of

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01:22:56,960 --> 01:23:00,559
Speaker 1: the press trying to corner a Trump administration official and

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01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 1: say China doesn't have a free press. There is no

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01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:05,320
Speaker 1: First Amendment in China, there is no freedom of speech.

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01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:08,720
Speaker 1: There's no freedom really in China. So can we just

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01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 1: get you on record saying that the Chinese Central Committee,

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01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 1: the Communist Party of China is a bunch of self

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01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 1: dealing thugs, um and and they're not deserving of any respect.

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01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:22,599
Speaker 1: Can we get you on record to say that, Now,

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01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:25,799
Speaker 1: anybody who knows anything about international affairs and international relations

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01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:30,160
Speaker 1: would say that is unwise. It's not the way you

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01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 1: want to approach China, at least from go from the start.

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01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:37,680
Speaker 1: But that's what they've been doing with Russia. Russia is

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01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:40,559
Speaker 1: back to near Soviet status in the views of so

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01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:44,400
Speaker 1: many Democrats, Democrats who were sheepish at best on Russia

1522
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:46,880
Speaker 1: for the eight years of the Obama administration. Now what

1523
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:50,519
Speaker 1: do we see Putin? Such a thug? I can't believe

1524
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:53,559
Speaker 1: Trump would talk to him or even say anything nice

1525
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:55,479
Speaker 1: about him. Can't you just go on record and talk

1526
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:57,679
Speaker 1: about how Putin kills in US and people. We even

1527
01:23:57,680 --> 01:24:01,559
Speaker 1: saw a little Marco pull in this Marco Rubio, you

1528
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:04,120
Speaker 1: know a little bit of grandstanding on the Well, can

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01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:06,519
Speaker 1: we call Russia? Can we call Putin a war criminal?

1530
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 1: Is that maybe technically true? Sure? But can you call

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01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:16,839
Speaker 1: the the Chinese premier a human rights? Human rights criminal?

1532
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:20,479
Speaker 1: Do you want to do that? Why wouldn't you do that? Well,

1533
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 1: at some point, realism should factor into the way you

1534
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 1: do foreign policy. And we have a very important relationship

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01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:31,719
Speaker 1: with China. We also are in competition with China. China

1536
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:37,080
Speaker 1: views itself as the long term inheritor of the superpower mantle.

1537
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 1: That's what they think is coming their way, and there's

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01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:42,040
Speaker 1: plenty of reason to believe that it will eventually. And

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01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:46,439
Speaker 1: the Russians are resurgent in some ways. Economically, sure, they're depressed.

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01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 1: But as a friend of mine who is Polish and

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01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 1: oftentimes you get very astute analysis of Russia from Poles.

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01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:56,720
Speaker 1: There are many different countries around the world where if

1543
01:24:56,760 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 1: you really want to know what's going on inside the country,

1544
01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:02,360
Speaker 1: ask their ne her neighbor that is there, uh, their

1545
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 1: hated rival, and you'll get some interesting insights. The polls

1546
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:08,559
Speaker 1: and the Russians have a very interesting relationship stretching back

1547
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:11,760
Speaker 1: for quite a while. And she once told me, because

1548
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 1: I brought up, I said, you know the sanctions in Russia.

1549
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:16,439
Speaker 1: Don't you think that at some point there'd be political

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01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 1: ramifications inside Russia for the Putin regime. I know he's

1551
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 1: a strong man, but wouldn't there be some protesters? And

1552
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 1: she said, no, no, you don't understand. Nothing brings the

1553
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:29,599
Speaker 1: Russian people together like suffering. I thought that that she's

1554
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:32,240
Speaker 1: so right, and every by the way, every Russia expert

1555
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:34,880
Speaker 1: that I've posed that too, that I've relayed that quote

1556
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:36,400
Speaker 1: to just from a friend of mine who happens to

1557
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:39,960
Speaker 1: be polished has said that's absolutely right. So in our

1558
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 1: dealings with Russia, sanctions have not been an effective tool. Um.

1559
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:47,120
Speaker 1: But they want Trump to denounce Russia. They don't ask

1560
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:49,200
Speaker 1: them to announce China, but they want him to denounce

1561
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:52,080
Speaker 1: Russia in ways that would make the relationship poisoned from

1562
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:56,760
Speaker 1: the start. And then when any administration figure walks back

1563
01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 1: from that a little bit or is not willing to

1564
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:02,760
Speaker 1: go down that path, they say, see, the Kremlin controls them. See,

1565
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:04,760
Speaker 1: we're gonna find out all this stuff from the investigation.

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01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:08,440
Speaker 1: I'm glad as well by the way that nunez Um

1567
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 1: pulled the logan well talked about the Logan Act, and

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01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:14,280
Speaker 1: from what it's like what I've been telling you to

1569
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:16,880
Speaker 1: any time a member of the press reaches for the

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01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:19,720
Speaker 1: Logan Act, you know they're they're grasping, they're desperate, And

1571
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:21,960
Speaker 1: at least Nunia has finally laid it down. Play it

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01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:26,200
Speaker 1: like he was telling the Russian ambassador, don't worry about

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01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:29,840
Speaker 1: what the President just announced. We're going to do something

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01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 1: different when we get no. I don't know that that's

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01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:33,599
Speaker 1: what was said, but if that was said, I don't

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01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:34,880
Speaker 1: know what the problem would be with that. I mean,

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01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:37,240
Speaker 1: I would I think that's that's exactly what he's what

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01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 1: he should be doing. Is that one US administration negotiating

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01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:41,840
Speaker 1: When I invested on the Logan Act, you're a Logan

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01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 1: Act guy. I didn't mention the Logan Act. I'm just saying,

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01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:47,800
Speaker 1: if one administration, it's ridiculous. If the Logan Acts are ridiculous,

1582
01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:49,559
Speaker 1: you guys all know that's ridiculous. I think that's Jim

1583
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:52,520
Speaker 1: Shido from CNN, who who clearly hates Trump by the way,

1584
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:54,559
Speaker 1: so anyway, I think I heard his voice in the background.

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01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:57,840
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but yeah, the Logan Act is ridiculous.

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01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:00,839
Speaker 1: It would not withstand constitutional muster. And honestly, the Congress,

1587
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:05,600
Speaker 1: the Republican Congress, just as a little as a little uh,

1588
01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:09,400
Speaker 1: a little slap down. They should just repeal the Logan Act.

1589
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:11,639
Speaker 1: Just do it. Just repeal it and be like, yeah,

1590
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:13,200
Speaker 1: that law, that's not a law anymore because we think

1591
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:15,600
Speaker 1: it's unconstitutional. Just get it out of there so we

1592
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:19,160
Speaker 1: have to hear about it anymore. But this is what

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01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:21,840
Speaker 1: we see happening, that the continued calls for an investigation.

1594
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:23,800
Speaker 1: Oh and this is what really got me thinking about

1595
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:27,360
Speaker 1: this today. I almost missed this one. Now, all of

1596
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 1: a sudden, the press likes George W. Bush again. Why

1597
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:34,400
Speaker 1: is that? I'm old enough to remember when Bush was

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01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:39,120
Speaker 1: a hated war monger, responsible for Abu Grabe, for human

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01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:45,439
Speaker 1: rights violations at black sites, for horrendous conditions. And I'm

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01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:46,840
Speaker 1: not saying this is what I thought, but this is

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01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:49,679
Speaker 1: what the progressives were saying about it. For terrible conditions

1602
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:53,639
Speaker 1: at Guantanamo Bay, America's answer to the Gulag. The left

1603
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:57,200
Speaker 1: was saying, anybody, by the way, who has read the

1604
01:27:57,200 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 1: Gulag Archipelago would recogniz eyes that comparing guantanam obey to

1605
01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:08,200
Speaker 1: that is incredibly intellectually dishonest. So I'm just putting that

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01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:10,599
Speaker 1: out there, souls and nets in well Worth the read

1607
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:14,120
Speaker 1: if you have the time. Um where was I? Oh? Yes?

1608
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:17,400
Speaker 1: So Bush has come out now and said that he

1609
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:20,080
Speaker 1: is in favor of getting to the bottom of Russia

1610
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:23,360
Speaker 1: Trump connections, and all of a sudden the media is like, oh, Bush,

1611
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:26,439
Speaker 1: he was a good guy. Yeah, we liked Bush. Let's

1612
01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:29,120
Speaker 1: let's trot Bush out here. Let's trot George W. Bush

1613
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:32,120
Speaker 1: out and let him weigh in on this subject because

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01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:34,920
Speaker 1: he's taking a position that allows us to say, see,

1615
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:39,120
Speaker 1: even honest Republicans want an investigation of Trump. Okay, sure

1616
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:41,000
Speaker 1: they might want an investigation, but I already told you

1617
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:42,840
Speaker 1: what the playbook is, and you're going to see this

1618
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:47,599
Speaker 1: at work for months going forward. They're going to call

1619
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:50,080
Speaker 1: for an investigation. They're going to tell you what the

1620
01:28:50,120 --> 01:28:53,040
Speaker 1: results of the investigation are, and they're also going to

1621
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:55,759
Speaker 1: tell you the investigation is tainted. So when the results

1622
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:58,479
Speaker 1: aren't what they say they would be, they're already covered

1623
01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:00,719
Speaker 1: and they can keep talking about it and talking about

1624
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:03,080
Speaker 1: it and never shut up about how Trump is in

1625
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:05,800
Speaker 1: Russia's pocket and the Kremlin is the reason he beat

1626
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:09,400
Speaker 1: Hillary and when when get me the world's smallest violin

1627
01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:12,240
Speaker 1: Democrats get to have a big pity party. They should

1628
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:14,360
Speaker 1: all go run and hide in the safe space together,

1629
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:17,599
Speaker 1: somewhere they can play with stuffed animals and have milk

1630
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:23,920
Speaker 1: and cookies. Eight four four to eight to five. Buck

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01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:27,439
Speaker 1: Sexton with American continues right after the break. So Team,

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01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:29,240
Speaker 1: I wanted to give you a little bit of background

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01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 1: before we're joined by our our guest, our friend Jack

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01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:36,720
Speaker 1: Murphy in the next segment, here to talk he's a

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01:29:36,760 --> 01:29:39,600
Speaker 1: former Special Operations veteran himself. We're gonna talk about this

1636
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:44,920
Speaker 1: Yemen raid and and now the the father of the

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01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:47,160
Speaker 1: Chief Petty Officer, William Owens, who was a member of

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01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:49,080
Speaker 1: Seal Team six, who was killed in this Yemen raid.

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01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:54,240
Speaker 1: Here's the background on it. So Yemen is in the

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01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:58,760
Speaker 1: midst of an insurgency of a civil war actually, and

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01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:04,040
Speaker 1: you have various factions, including a Shia faction that is

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01:30:04,080 --> 01:30:07,519
Speaker 1: fighting against the central government. And you also have al

1643
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:11,200
Speaker 1: Qaeda as another player in all of this. And so

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01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:14,439
Speaker 1: when you when you look at what's happening right now

1645
01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:15,960
Speaker 1: in Yemen, you have to send that not only is

1646
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:19,439
Speaker 1: there an al Qaeda issue um right now and al

1647
01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:26,080
Speaker 1: Qaeda actually controlling some territory um, but you have a

1648
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:31,440
Speaker 1: very difficult fight for the Hotti led government and its allies.

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01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:36,519
Speaker 1: There's the Islamic State present in Yemen. There's the Hoothies,

1650
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:40,520
Speaker 1: the Revolutionary Committee and Supreme Political Council of the Hoothies,

1651
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:43,280
Speaker 1: and the Hoothies are that Shia group and they're backed

1652
01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:47,439
Speaker 1: by the Iranians. So Yemen is, as Trump would say,

1653
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:51,360
Speaker 1: a mess, and it really is a mess. And al

1654
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:55,679
Speaker 1: Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. A q a P has

1655
01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 1: been known to be the most active, and part because

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01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:01,599
Speaker 1: it has the freedom to operate, to train, to equip,

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01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:05,639
Speaker 1: to plot, to plan. A q a P has been

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01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:11,320
Speaker 1: very active in its efforts to attack the West, to

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01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:15,440
Speaker 1: engage in massive counter terrorism i'm sorry, massive terrorism operations

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01:31:16,120 --> 01:31:19,320
Speaker 1: against the United States and against Europe. And they've been

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01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:22,559
Speaker 1: involved in some very well known plots, especially in the

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01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:26,559
Speaker 1: as we got to know Inspire magazine, which was a

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01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:31,360
Speaker 1: propaganda booklet put out by a q a P that

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01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:33,120
Speaker 1: told people how to make a bomb in the kitchen

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01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:35,800
Speaker 1: of your mom. That's the formula that was used by

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01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:39,400
Speaker 1: the Boston marathon bombers and some of their other exhortations

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01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:44,920
Speaker 1: to jihadists all over the world. They were taken up

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01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:50,080
Speaker 1: and that was how some attacks were plotted out and conducted.

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Speaker 1: Uh And you also have Anwar Alaki, who's considered at

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01:31:54,160 --> 01:31:57,720
Speaker 1: one point the most pro lift. He was really a

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01:31:57,720 --> 01:32:01,519
Speaker 1: mouthpiece for all kind of Arabian peninsula, but involved with

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01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:06,080
Speaker 1: the plotting, the plotting against US interests and European interests

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01:32:06,120 --> 01:32:09,160
Speaker 1: and was taken out by an Obama administration drone strike.

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01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:11,680
Speaker 1: As we know, US citizen No trial blown up by

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01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:14,360
Speaker 1: a drone. Not saying I wouldn't have done the same thing,

1676
01:32:15,439 --> 01:32:19,080
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't pretend to be Mr. Nobel Peace Prize

1677
01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:25,559
Speaker 1: and Humanitarian Rights Champion above reproach and also be taking

1678
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:29,479
Speaker 1: out U s citizens without trial with lethal force. Okay,

1679
01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:32,160
Speaker 1: So I'm just saying, you know, you gotta you gotta

1680
01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:34,920
Speaker 1: own that, you gotta do that and o it. Uh.

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01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:37,640
Speaker 1: The reports are that this raid on January twenty, So

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Speaker 1: that's the backdrop of Yemen, and I wanted to give

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01:32:39,720 --> 01:32:42,680
Speaker 1: you some sense of that. And look, the Saudias are

1684
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 1: building a fence, a wall on their border with Yemen.

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01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:47,320
Speaker 1: They're trying to keep the mess that is Yemen out

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01:32:47,320 --> 01:32:49,320
Speaker 1: of Yemen's also the first country in the world that

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01:32:49,400 --> 01:32:52,439
Speaker 1: is believed to be on the way to running out

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01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:56,400
Speaker 1: of water, potable water entirely. It is going dry. They

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01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:59,400
Speaker 1: will be in a state of perpetual drought at the

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01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:03,719
Speaker 1: current rate. It's incredibly poor country. It's very rugged terrain

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Speaker 1: and interesting. Actually, the bin Laden's originally from Yemen. Uh

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01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:11,600
Speaker 1: Salomon bin Laden, bin Laden's father moved from Yemen to

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01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:14,639
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia and started a construction empire in the Bland

1694
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:20,439
Speaker 1: family anyway, Um, that's how that happened. But the al

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Speaker 1: Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula is a prolific plotter against aviation,

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Speaker 1: against dense population civilian population areas. A q a P

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Speaker 1: has been spreading the propaganda of al Qaeda around the

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Speaker 1: world as well as the tools and tactics via the

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Speaker 1: web to do it and recruiting people. It is a

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Speaker 1: festering sore on the world a q a P. And

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Speaker 1: it was even a few years ago note as the

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01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:50,679
Speaker 1: most dangerous Al Qaida franchise. So on January nine, there

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01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:54,640
Speaker 1: was a raid a rate involving the elite operators of

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01:33:55,479 --> 01:33:59,320
Speaker 1: our Navy Seal Team six and there was a fifty

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01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:02,760
Speaker 1: minute fire fight and during that firefight we lost k

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Speaker 1: I A Chief Petty Officer, William Owens. There were also

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01:34:06,920 --> 01:34:11,040
Speaker 1: a number of US operators wounded, though none killed thankfully,

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01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:14,520
Speaker 1: and there were a number of civilians killed, including reportedly

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01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:18,599
Speaker 1: the eight year old daughter of Anwar Alaki himself. It's

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Speaker 1: also reported that they were going after Cussum Alramy, the

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Speaker 1: head of al Qaedi Arabian Peninsula. So this was a

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Speaker 1: special operations raid against a high value target. An h

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Speaker 1: VT Cossum Alramy against one of the most dangerous Al

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Speaker 1: Qaeda franchises, if not the most dangerous Al Qaeda franchise

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Speaker 1: in the world, and it turned into a firefight and

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01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:44,760
Speaker 1: things went south and we lost one of ours and

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01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:47,600
Speaker 1: there were some civilians killed in the crossfire. Now, of

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01:34:47,640 --> 01:34:50,440
Speaker 1: course this is being politicized. There's a lot of discussionists

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Speaker 1: whether it was a successful rate or not. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: get into that and much more coming up here with

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01:34:56,760 --> 01:35:00,720
Speaker 1: our friend Jack Murphy, former operator. You're gonna want to

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01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:04,080
Speaker 1: hear it. Team Bucks day with me. The things that

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01:35:04,120 --> 01:35:06,800
Speaker 1: matter most in your day to day life are too

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01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:09,760
Speaker 1: important to trust to just anyone. That's that's why, that's

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Speaker 1: why he's here. Blud Sexton with America Now, sharp mind,

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01:35:15,400 --> 01:35:20,160
Speaker 1: strong voice, Block Sexton. All right, team, welcome back. As

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm former c I, a counter terrorism center

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Speaker 1: and a Rock office, and I'm gonna have a conversation now.

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Speaker 1: This will be sort of like a debrief between the

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01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:30,200
Speaker 1: two of us, the conversation with Jack Murphy. He was

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01:35:30,240 --> 01:35:33,880
Speaker 1: an eight year Army Special Operations veteran who served as

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01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:36,719
Speaker 1: a sniper and team leader in the third Ranger Battalion

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01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:39,800
Speaker 1: and as a senior weapon sergeant on a military free

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Speaker 1: fall team in fifth Special Forces Group. He is the

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Speaker 1: editor in chief of soft rep dot com. Jack. Appreciate

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Speaker 1: you joining us. Yeah, thanks for having me. Buck All,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about this Yemen raid. UH. This is going

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Speaker 1: at from what we know, from what's been reported and

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01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:56,360
Speaker 1: anything else. Also you can share from your soft reap

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01:35:56,400 --> 01:36:00,360
Speaker 1: sources by all means. But this was a raid using

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01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:04,000
Speaker 1: U S. Boots on the ground, special operators going after

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01:36:04,160 --> 01:36:08,439
Speaker 1: a q A P Al Qaeda high value target and

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01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:11,240
Speaker 1: there was a gunfight and unfortunately lost one of ours.

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01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:16,840
Speaker 1: Why is there so much controversy over this? Well, that's

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01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:20,240
Speaker 1: a good question. I mean, we're sixteen years into the

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01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:23,040
Speaker 1: global War on Terror at this point. In these raids

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01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:24,800
Speaker 1: or I don't want to say a common occurrence, but

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01:36:24,840 --> 01:36:28,200
Speaker 1: they happen every so often outside of you know, traditional

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01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:32,679
Speaker 1: theaters like Afghanistan or Iraq and now Syria. I think

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01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:35,519
Speaker 1: probably the reasons are manifold, one of the big ones

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01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:39,559
Speaker 1: being is that it's the first UH military incursion into

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01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:43,360
Speaker 1: a foreign country, Yemen in this case by the Trump administration,

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01:36:43,479 --> 01:36:45,960
Speaker 1: so that puts an extra spotlight on it. And then

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01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:49,160
Speaker 1: of course the fact that one feel operator and one

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01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:52,840
Speaker 1: aircraft was lost. Just kind of adds fuel to the fire.

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01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:55,920
Speaker 1: And then of course there's the surrounding controversies around the raid.

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01:36:56,920 --> 01:37:00,400
Speaker 1: And this sort of raid, though, is not I mean, yes,

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01:37:00,439 --> 01:37:02,439
Speaker 1: it's unusual in the context of this was in Yemen,

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01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:06,640
Speaker 1: but operators going after h vts in Iraq, Afghanistan and

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01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:09,400
Speaker 1: other places around the world. This is ongoing, as you

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01:37:09,439 --> 01:37:10,680
Speaker 1: as you say. By the way, I like to use

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01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:12,800
Speaker 1: the Global War on Terror ge WAT when I was

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01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:15,479
Speaker 1: in c i A. It's a good way to explain

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01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:20,000
Speaker 1: a vast apparatus of military and and covert action and

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01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:23,600
Speaker 1: intelligence operations all over the world. I can't think of

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01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:25,040
Speaker 1: a better term. And when they've tried to come up

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01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:27,919
Speaker 1: with a better term, administrations have failed. But but I digress.

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01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:31,040
Speaker 1: UH this though, seemed to me to be a pretty

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01:37:31,120 --> 01:37:35,479
Speaker 1: straightforward UH decision to make for the Trump administration. It

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01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:39,439
Speaker 1: was planned for months under the Obama administration. I think

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01:37:39,439 --> 01:37:43,960
Speaker 1: President Obama was happy to allow the UH follow on

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01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:47,160
Speaker 1: administration to take the reins on this one didn't want

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01:37:47,240 --> 01:37:49,680
Speaker 1: this to be the case. But any time, and I

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01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:53,519
Speaker 1: think this maybe bears UH repeating, in this case, anytime

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01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:57,200
Speaker 1: you're putting even the most elite US warriors in harm's way.

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01:37:57,560 --> 01:38:00,320
Speaker 1: There is the possibility that we are going to take losses.

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01:38:00,439 --> 01:38:03,320
Speaker 1: I mean that doesn't in any way minimize what's going

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01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:05,920
Speaker 1: on here, but it is also a realistic view of

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01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:08,599
Speaker 1: what happens there. We're going to lose people if we're

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01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:11,439
Speaker 1: going to be aggressive and going after high value all

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01:38:11,479 --> 01:38:15,320
Speaker 1: kind of targets. Yeah, I mean, that's absolutely the reality

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01:38:15,320 --> 01:38:18,240
Speaker 1: of the case. No matter how well planned the operation is,

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01:38:18,280 --> 01:38:20,960
Speaker 1: no matter how good the intelligence is, there's those the

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01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:23,280
Speaker 1: potential for things to go wrong, and you know they

1785
01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:27,920
Speaker 1: often do and sometimes, you know, our soldiers, they sometimes

1786
01:38:27,960 --> 01:38:29,960
Speaker 1: you have to do things you don't necessarily want to do,

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01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:32,519
Speaker 1: like launching on a target that perhaps isn't as well

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01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:35,000
Speaker 1: developed as you like it to be. And I don't

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01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:38,360
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's the case here. Uh and far

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01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:41,080
Speaker 1: as far as is Yemen raid, I couldn't really speak

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01:38:41,120 --> 01:38:44,040
Speaker 1: to that, um, but you're right that these raids are

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01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:47,639
Speaker 1: not uncommon. You know, in Afghanistan Iraq there have been

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01:38:47,680 --> 01:38:50,960
Speaker 1: times where we were doing multiple operations during one period

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01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:53,680
Speaker 1: of darkness. Things have dwindled down a little bit and

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01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:56,200
Speaker 1: then cranked up a little bit during the as isis

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01:38:56,280 --> 01:39:01,240
Speaker 1: came to prominence, but actual direct action and special operations

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01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:04,599
Speaker 1: missions are not uncommon. They happen fairly often, and there

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01:39:04,680 --> 01:39:07,160
Speaker 1: is an inherent risk in these operations, There's no question

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01:39:07,200 --> 01:39:09,439
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, all it takes and you know about

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Speaker 1: this firsthand. I know about it from seeing the intelligence

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01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:15,200
Speaker 1: and and and watching some of it on the screens

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01:39:15,200 --> 01:39:18,840
Speaker 1: in theater. But all it takes is one century to

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01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:21,800
Speaker 1: raise the alarm. You know, a dog somewhere at the

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01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:24,679
Speaker 1: at the compound, whether you're talking about you know, somewhere

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01:39:24,680 --> 01:39:27,360
Speaker 1: in Hellman Province or out an anbar, wherever you may be,

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01:39:28,040 --> 01:39:30,520
Speaker 1: and you find yourself in the middle of a firefight.

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01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:33,519
Speaker 1: And in firefights, it's not just the bad guys who

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01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:35,640
Speaker 1: unfortunately get shot. I wish it were the case, but

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01:39:35,680 --> 01:39:39,680
Speaker 1: that's not always the case, as we know. Yeah, I mean,

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01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:43,000
Speaker 1: operations can get compromised in any number of ways. I

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01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:45,080
Speaker 1: think even the Department of the Fence said in this

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01:39:45,160 --> 01:39:47,920
Speaker 1: case that everything that could have gone wrong did go wrong.

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Speaker 1: And you make contingencies for those types of eventualities, but

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01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:54,919
Speaker 1: it only goes so far. I mean, it's still combat.

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Speaker 1: We're still at war. I think a lot of Americans

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01:39:58,040 --> 01:40:00,280
Speaker 1: forget about that, or maybe don't want to acknowledg legit,

1817
01:40:00,680 --> 01:40:02,800
Speaker 1: but I mean the reality of it is not like

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01:40:02,840 --> 01:40:04,800
Speaker 1: a movie, like you said, it's not nice clean head

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01:40:04,840 --> 01:40:07,200
Speaker 1: shots shooting the bad guy between the eyes. I mean,

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01:40:07,320 --> 01:40:10,320
Speaker 1: things get ugly out there, and that we'd sort of

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Speaker 1: to a larger conversation, not just about this Yemen raid,

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01:40:13,160 --> 01:40:16,720
Speaker 1: but about the global war on terror and where do

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Speaker 1: our counter terrorism operations fit in? Are they making America's safer?

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01:40:20,880 --> 01:40:22,920
Speaker 1: What is America's placed in the world. And these are

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Speaker 1: sorts of the questions that we have to ask ourselves

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Speaker 1: that I think or are much bigger than just one

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Speaker 1: raid in Yemen. We're talking to Jack Murphy. He's an

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Speaker 1: eight year Army Special Operations veteran and UH sniper in

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Speaker 1: the Third Ranger, Third Ranger Battalion. H Jack, I think

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Speaker 1: you raise a really important point here, which is that

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Speaker 1: if we're going to the Trump administration has said a

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Speaker 1: lot of things about and President Trump himself about how

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Speaker 1: we're going to fight against the Islamic State. He said,

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Speaker 1: even as recently as earlier today, we don't fight wars

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01:40:51,400 --> 01:40:54,519
Speaker 1: to win anymore. We're gonna fight wars to win. He's

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01:40:54,640 --> 01:40:56,719
Speaker 1: saying that he's going to be more aggressive against ISIS

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01:40:56,760 --> 01:40:58,479
Speaker 1: and against all of our counter terrors are all of

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01:40:58,479 --> 01:41:01,920
Speaker 1: our terrorism and the hottest enemies all over the world.

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01:41:02,479 --> 01:41:05,080
Speaker 1: I think though, that there's also a might be a

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01:41:05,120 --> 01:41:07,800
Speaker 1: disconnect that the American people need to be prepared for.

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01:41:07,880 --> 01:41:10,439
Speaker 1: And that is and you alluded to this, it's not

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01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:12,920
Speaker 1: always like the bin Laden raid where we didn't actually

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01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:16,600
Speaker 1: lose any US operators. Uh. It's not like Call of

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01:41:16,680 --> 01:41:18,600
Speaker 1: Duty certainly either, which is a video game that I

1845
01:41:18,680 --> 01:41:22,240
Speaker 1: know many millions of people play, but it gets messy

1846
01:41:22,280 --> 01:41:24,559
Speaker 1: out there. It's dangerous and if you're going to be

1847
01:41:24,640 --> 01:41:29,160
Speaker 1: taking a more aggressive posture in going after targets that no,

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01:41:29,240 --> 01:41:31,360
Speaker 1: we're coming after them, and this Yemen operation is a

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01:41:31,400 --> 01:41:34,760
Speaker 1: prime example. We can either wait and hope that we

1850
01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:37,160
Speaker 1: get a totally clean shot, maybe with a drone, and

1851
01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:40,000
Speaker 1: you wait and waited, and maybe there's a mass casualty

1852
01:41:40,040 --> 01:41:43,040
Speaker 1: attack planned in the meantime. Uh, you know, an airliner

1853
01:41:43,080 --> 01:41:45,680
Speaker 1: goes down with two people abroad somewhere because of the

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01:41:45,680 --> 01:41:48,519
Speaker 1: planning of Al kady Abrabian peninsula. We can wait until

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01:41:48,520 --> 01:41:50,320
Speaker 1: we get that perfect drone shot and hope that a

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01:41:50,360 --> 01:41:54,360
Speaker 1: major attack doesn't happen, or you can send in operators

1857
01:41:54,360 --> 01:41:56,800
Speaker 1: who this is what they trained to do. But everyone

1858
01:41:56,840 --> 01:41:58,760
Speaker 1: needs to understand that if they want Trump to be

1859
01:41:58,760 --> 01:42:01,400
Speaker 1: more aggressive, if they want this commander in chief to

1860
01:42:01,600 --> 01:42:05,599
Speaker 1: be relentless in his efforts to destroy jee hottest enemies,

1861
01:42:05,600 --> 01:42:07,479
Speaker 1: whether all kaye To the Islamic State or others all

1862
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:10,240
Speaker 1: of the world, that's going to mean increased risks to

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01:42:10,360 --> 01:42:13,640
Speaker 1: US operators. I don't think there's a way around that. Yeah, no,

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01:42:13,840 --> 01:42:17,400
Speaker 1: I actually I completely agree. I think, you know, talking

1865
01:42:17,479 --> 01:42:20,160
Speaker 1: tough on terrorism is something that sounds really good on

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01:42:20,200 --> 01:42:22,840
Speaker 1: the campaign trail. It sounds really good when you make

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01:42:22,840 --> 01:42:26,479
Speaker 1: a Facebook post, But the reality of it is that

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01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:30,280
Speaker 1: you have to be psychologically prepared that the body bags

1869
01:42:30,280 --> 01:42:32,920
Speaker 1: are going to start coming home. That's just the reality

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01:42:32,920 --> 01:42:35,400
Speaker 1: of it. We get more intense, we ratchet things up

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01:42:35,400 --> 01:42:38,519
Speaker 1: and get more aggressive, and going after isis instead of

1872
01:42:38,520 --> 01:42:41,320
Speaker 1: this sort of semi clandestine approach that we've been taking,

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01:42:41,640 --> 01:42:44,160
Speaker 1: and we're gonna have American soldiers coming back dead. And

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01:42:44,439 --> 01:42:47,639
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, um full stop, we don't need

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01:42:47,680 --> 01:42:49,639
Speaker 1: to go We shouldn't do it. I think that there's

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01:42:49,640 --> 01:42:51,320
Speaker 1: a number of different things that have to play into

1877
01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:54,040
Speaker 1: a decision like that. But we have to understand the

1878
01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:55,960
Speaker 1: realities of it. We can't throw our hands up in

1879
01:42:56,000 --> 01:42:58,160
Speaker 1: the air and shock when it happens as if we

1880
01:42:58,200 --> 01:43:02,080
Speaker 1: didn't know. So, yeah, something we have to be ready for.

1881
01:43:02,240 --> 01:43:03,800
Speaker 1: I think we have to also add there there are

1882
01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:06,360
Speaker 1: two other elements of this, two other layers with the

1883
01:43:06,360 --> 01:43:09,080
Speaker 1: reporting of this story. Again, this Yemen raid happened January

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01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:11,920
Speaker 1: twenty nine. It's gotten a lot of news coverage since then,

1885
01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:14,439
Speaker 1: people diving into it. Now. There's some aspects of this

1886
01:43:14,520 --> 01:43:17,320
Speaker 1: that we won't know about because the intelligence leading up

1887
01:43:17,320 --> 01:43:19,559
Speaker 1: to the raid is almost certainly classified and will not

1888
01:43:19,640 --> 01:43:22,920
Speaker 1: be declassified. They're not going to expose sources and methods

1889
01:43:23,120 --> 01:43:25,800
Speaker 1: of how we thought we may have found Cosam al Raimi,

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01:43:25,880 --> 01:43:27,639
Speaker 1: the head of al Kaite any Raby and peninsula here,

1891
01:43:27,840 --> 01:43:29,960
Speaker 1: nor should we mean there are some things, as you know, Jack,

1892
01:43:30,040 --> 01:43:32,960
Speaker 1: that no matter who it is, including the father of

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01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:36,240
Speaker 1: the decease, including this gold gold star father who's been

1894
01:43:36,240 --> 01:43:38,080
Speaker 1: talking now to the press and talking about how he

1895
01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:41,000
Speaker 1: won't meet with Trump, we do not expose sources and methods,

1896
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:43,240
Speaker 1: even to families. And that's what you whether you're on

1897
01:43:43,280 --> 01:43:45,200
Speaker 1: my side, c I A, or on your side as

1898
01:43:45,240 --> 01:43:48,240
Speaker 1: a special operator. That is the reality of the moment

1899
01:43:48,280 --> 01:43:50,200
Speaker 1: you step in to the red zone and you're in,

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01:43:50,479 --> 01:43:53,800
Speaker 1: you're you're out there, um outside the wire. I do

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01:43:53,960 --> 01:43:56,600
Speaker 1: want to add into this that there's a notion I

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01:43:56,640 --> 01:43:59,960
Speaker 1: think that many have that Obama, with these precision drone

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01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:03,519
Speaker 1: strikes created a form of warfare where we don't take risk.

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Speaker 1: That's not true because it also um entails its own risk.

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Speaker 1: One is that I don't think it's it's necessarily as

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Speaker 1: effective as capturing we're hoping to capture here. It was

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Speaker 1: initially reported human human subjects on the ground who can

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Speaker 1: provide intelligence. Later, but also the civilian casualties in this

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Speaker 1: ym and raid came up as part of the criticism,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's it's fascinating to watch the media

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Speaker 1: now talk about this one raid and the civilian casualties,

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Speaker 1: which were always regrettable, and there was near silence on

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Speaker 1: how with a lot of drone strikes they're blowing up

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Speaker 1: people left and right who had nothing to do with terrorism.

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Speaker 1: But they were close to a guy who did yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: you're you're absolutely right on that. I mean the drone

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Speaker 1: strikes who've been doing in the federally administrated tribal areas

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Speaker 1: in Pakistan have killed a lot of civilians, and our government,

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Speaker 1: both across the George W. Bush administration the Obama administration,

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Speaker 1: we're not forthcoming with the amount of civilian casualties, the

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Speaker 1: amount of collateral damage that are during those drone strikes.

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Speaker 1: So this is something you also half the way now, Well,

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Speaker 1: even though that collateral damage is horrible, we also have

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Speaker 1: to consider that if there's any evidence at all that's

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Speaker 1: sending in ground troops results in less collateral damage, if

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Speaker 1: that evidence does exist, I haven't seen it, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: sending infantry in or sending special operations, And I don't

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Speaker 1: think there's really any real metric you can point to

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Speaker 1: improve that there's less collateral damage when you're sending ground forces.

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Speaker 1: But you're right that it is quite odd that Americans

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Speaker 1: have this sort of psychological separation. Like when we use

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Speaker 1: a drone and we blow up an entire family somewhere,

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Speaker 1: they don't see that as war. They don't perceive that

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Speaker 1: as war. And that's a very odd way to think

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Speaker 1: about how America pursues the war on Terror. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: certainly has very real effects in the countries where these sorts,

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Speaker 1: where these kinds of strikes are happening. I want to

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Speaker 1: ask you about the the father of Chief Petty Officer

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Speaker 1: William Owens. He has said that he will not meet

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Speaker 1: with Trump and he is calling for an investigation. Uh. Look,

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01:46:00,280 --> 01:46:03,920
Speaker 1: every every gold Star parent deserves a debt of gratitude

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01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:06,840
Speaker 1: the nation can never really pay, and we have nothing

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Speaker 1: but respect for them. But I also think that there

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Speaker 1: there are some politics being played here by those who

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Speaker 1: are elevating this gold Star father's demands for an investigation

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Speaker 1: as though they are sacrosanct. There are aspects of this

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Speaker 1: mission that are classified that will remain classified, and I

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01:46:22,600 --> 01:46:24,679
Speaker 1: don't think he's going to get the answers that he wants.

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Speaker 1: And that's not because the Trump administration is covering up

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Speaker 1: in competence necessarily, it's because that, as I said before,

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Speaker 1: you sign up for these these sorts of clandestine operations

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Speaker 1: and your even your family doesn't necessarily get the entire

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Speaker 1: full story. How do we make sense of that? Yeah? Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean Bill Owen is obviously upset about the loss

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Speaker 1: of his son, even angry, and uh, I don't blame

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Speaker 1: him for that. He has the right to be angry.

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Speaker 1: But uh, if that's where he needs to go, and

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Speaker 1: that's fine, and calling for an investigation is okay too.

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Speaker 1: You know, we live in a democracy and it's all

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Speaker 1: right for our government to vet. Not a criminal investigation,

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Speaker 1: mind you. I'm not talking about that. I mean an

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Speaker 1: investigation just to see if anything went wrong and what

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Speaker 1: could potentially be done in the future. And I think

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Speaker 1: we should be open to that um and realize that

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Speaker 1: calling for an investigation or asking questions doesn't um smear

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Speaker 1: that seal operator's name or or the unit in any manner.

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Speaker 1: But in the political spectrum, the political picture of this

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Speaker 1: Yemin operation, I find it very interesting that politically it's

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Speaker 1: being used almost the same way that the Republicans used

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Speaker 1: Benghazi against the Obama administration, that the family members and

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Speaker 1: victims are kind of tried it out in front of

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Speaker 1: the cameras, and once again our military and our intelligence

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Speaker 1: community is sort of thrown under the bus for political expediency.

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Speaker 1: And if anything, it really shows how few principles both

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Speaker 1: of these political parties have. They'll use these things to

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Speaker 1: their ends, and there's really not I don't think it

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Speaker 1: has anything to do with patriotism, that's for sure. Jack

1978
01:47:56,439 --> 01:47:59,959
Speaker 1: Murphy's an eight year Army Special Forces Operation Veteran Sniper

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Speaker 1: Team leader and Thuring Ranger Battalion. And Jack is also

1980
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Speaker 1: author of gray Matter Splatter and he's editor in chief

1981
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Speaker 1: at SOFTWAREP dot com. Everybody wants to read his work

1982
01:48:09,040 --> 01:48:10,880
Speaker 1: and they're doing great stuff over at SOFTWAREP. Go to

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Speaker 1: soft Rep s O f r EP dot com for

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Speaker 1: special operations report. Jack. Thank you for your service and

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Speaker 1: your time tonight, sir. We appreciate it. Yeah, thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for having me, Buck, all right, talk to you soon.

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Speaker 1: Team will finish us up on the flip side of

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Speaker 1: the break. Stay with me, all right, seem Buck, Welcome back,

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Speaker 1: Hut and you want to help us grow, which I

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Speaker 1: cannot thank you enough for all the all that Team

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Speaker 1: Buck has done already for the show because we were

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Speaker 1: growing fast, asked um, you can send that link to

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Speaker 1: a friend or posted on your own Facebook page and

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Speaker 1: just give your own comments. It's why you think it matters. Oh,

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Speaker 1: please do also if you don't mind, right, if if

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Speaker 1: just a few of you would do this, and if

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Speaker 1: dozens of you would, that would be amazing, if even

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Speaker 1: more fantastic. But right a hear some thoughts under the

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Speaker 1: podcast review it go to review on iTunes. Gives people

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Speaker 1: a sense of what is we talk about here? And

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Speaker 1: I would really appreciate that, especially from something maybe some

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Speaker 1: of my original squad from the Saturday shows wants to

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Speaker 1: get in there and let everybo know what is that

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Speaker 1: we do here. So I have gone almost a full

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Speaker 1: three hour show today without diving into the Oscars, which

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Speaker 1: I will admit to you all now because I'm a

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Speaker 1: I'm an honest man with my team. Team is like

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Speaker 1: my family. I did watch all of the Oscars last night,

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Speaker 1: watch it with my brother. We're having some bro time.

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Speaker 1: We're growing out with the Oscars, and it was incredibly boring.

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Speaker 1: It was a reminder to me that I don't know

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Speaker 1: enough about pop culture to even know I had seen.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I had seen a single nominated movie

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Speaker 1: this year, not one, because I refuse to go to

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Speaker 1: the movies because they're too expensive, the seats are uncomfortable.

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Speaker 1: I also don't like being forced to sit anywhere for

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Speaker 1: more than two hours. I'll make an exception for the opera.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's right, little little latte drinker buck coming out there.

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Speaker 1: I'll make an exception for the for the opera here

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Speaker 1: in New York City, maybe for the Philharmonic. But generally speaking,

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Speaker 1: I don't like to have to sit in one place

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Speaker 1: for two hours or more, even really ninety minutes test

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Speaker 1: my patients. I like to watch shows forty minutes to

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Speaker 1: an hour and then stop and do whatever I want,

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Speaker 1: and if i'm watching another one, I can. So that's

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Speaker 1: why I like Netflix and Amazon Prime and all these

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Speaker 1: other platform Hulu, these platforms you can watch shows. I

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Speaker 1: like shows. Movies for me now, I grew up watching

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Speaker 1: so many movies, but I just don't have the patients anymore.

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Speaker 1: I had not seen a single one of these movies. Uh,

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Speaker 1: I don't think. Yeah, I didn't see one. And of

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Speaker 1: course there was that moment last night where La La

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Speaker 1: Land wasn't any you all know this. I'm not telling

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Speaker 1: you know, unlike the last person you're hearing this from.

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Speaker 1: After fifty people have probably already told you La La

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Speaker 1: Len was announced as the best Picture and that of

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01:51:05,960 --> 01:51:09,800
Speaker 1: course it was Moonlight instead. But there was another moment.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna do. We do a lot of politics on

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Speaker 1: the show and international affairs. Uh, there was another moment

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01:51:15,720 --> 01:51:18,479
Speaker 1: where the of course the Oscars got a little political.

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Speaker 1: Although it was the lowest viewership the Oscars has had

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Speaker 1: in almost a decade, so fewer and fewer people care

2052
01:51:23,840 --> 01:51:27,880
Speaker 1: about this giant ceremony of self congratulation for the Hollywood elite.

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01:51:28,920 --> 01:51:35,360
Speaker 1: But a an Iranian filmmaker one for Best Documentary. And

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Speaker 1: here is what was. Here was his written statement read

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Speaker 1: on his behalf. And notice remember this is a US

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Speaker 1: based awards ceremony for an industry dominated by the United States,

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Speaker 1: and here we are bringing it honoring people from around

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Speaker 1: the world in some cases for they're kind of who

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Speaker 1: gives a whatever document their documentaries, I mean documentaries. It's

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Speaker 1: a good way to it's a good way to uh

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Speaker 1: to in to lose money is in most documentaries, you know,

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Speaker 1: unless you think you're just gonna run the table at

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Speaker 1: the art Art House film festivals. But here's what this

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Speaker 1: Iranian documentarian had to say via a proxy play it please.

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Speaker 1: My absence is out of respect for the people of

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Speaker 1: my country and those of other six nations whom have

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Speaker 1: been disrespected by the humane law that bands entry of

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Speaker 1: immigrants to the US. Dividing the world into the US

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Speaker 1: and our enemies categories creates fear, a deceitful justification for

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Speaker 1: aggression and war. These wards prevent democracy and human rights.

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Speaker 1: I just wonder if this documentarian from Iran, does he

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Speaker 1: have any acute things to say about his home country

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Speaker 1: and what they do and democracy in Iran and women's

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Speaker 1: rights and hatred of hatred of Israel, hatred of Jews,

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Speaker 1: America the great Satan? Do he talked tough about Iran

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Speaker 1: or just just America, just the shining light of the world,

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Speaker 1: just the country in the world that does the most

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Speaker 1: for human rights and freedom? You know, real tough guy

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Speaker 1: talking about America. Uh. And also, by the way, it's

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Speaker 1: not an immigrant band. That's nonsense. And this guy is

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Speaker 1: lucky to get you know any Yeah, it makes me mad,

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Speaker 1: all right, I ended on a mad note. But until tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: my friends, she'll tie