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Speaker 2: It's Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here at Jillette Stadium, and

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Speaker 2: we just came off the practice field. Practice stop ended

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Speaker 2: around one point fifteen today, so we're here to talk

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Speaker 2: about everything we've seen over the last few days since

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Speaker 2: we were last with you on this show, which was Sunday.

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Speaker 2: I guess it's Deuce, it's Paul, it's me Evan. I'll

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Speaker 2: be by later. But you know, before we start out, guys,

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Speaker 2: I just feel like I need to give Patriots Nation

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a reset and talk. You know

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Speaker 2: What's It's been a rough forty eight hours, right, you

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Speaker 2: had the Christian Balm wore news, which which is tough.

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Speaker 2: You know, you had you know, Judon showing himself you know,

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Speaker 2: yesterday and all that stuff that came with it. Drake

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Speaker 2: May didn't have the best day. Your guys, your real

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Speaker 2: Pepper's got nicked up. Yeah, I mean, so you know,

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Speaker 2: There's been a lot of stuff written, but yesterday was

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Speaker 2: the first day of padded practice. But the hysteria about

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Speaker 2: you know, Drake May shades of Mac Jones. You know,

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Speaker 2: Mac Jones was never this bad. And and you know Pete,

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Speaker 2: you know, you know, uh, Mayo is just another Pete Carroll, who,

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Speaker 2: by the way, wasn't a bad coach. But you know

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Speaker 2: he's not. He's they're walking all over you know, Gerard Mayo.

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Speaker 2: Jacoby Brissette separated himself from Drake May yesterday.

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Speaker 5: You know, well that part was true.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, he's a seven year veteran. It was the

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Speaker 2: first day. Okay, it was the first day of padded practice.

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Speaker 2: If he wasn't separated from a rookie, something's wrong, I

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Speaker 2: would exc We're not looking for who can separate. We're

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Speaker 2: looking to see if Drake May and get to where

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Speaker 2: at least Jacoby Brissette is in the NFL. There's no

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Speaker 2: like well ever, well like now now, like let's see,

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Speaker 2: let's see, right, he isn't, no, and I don't expect

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Speaker 2: him to be on the first day of padded practice,

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Speaker 2: did you no?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so, I mean, I mean, I I don't I

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Speaker 5: don't think he has a chance to start Week one, so.

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Speaker 2: Whatever, but like, you know, like, but I mean the

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Speaker 2: hysteria about the fact that he had a rough day,

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Speaker 2: you know, on the on the first day of anything

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Speaker 2: that resembled real football. He had a rough day. Okay,

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Speaker 2: you know, Judon Judan acted crazy yesterday and he's not

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't be surprised if those two things are linked, Freddy, I.

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Speaker 2: Would expect that's exactly why he's not here. I think

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Speaker 2: I think Droid Mayo gave him a little leash and

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Speaker 2: Let's face it. I'm not saying that Judah is a villain,

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Speaker 2: and I know he said he doesn't want to be.

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Speaker 2: He's asking for money. That's great. You know, players, I

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Speaker 2: remember Tylaw calling Bill Belichick a liar. Yep, I remember

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Speaker 2: Mankin's being pissed off and saying some pretty harsh things.

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Speaker 2: You know. You know, Richard Seymour, you know, name a

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Speaker 2: lot of players. So this is nothing new. The only

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Speaker 2: thing that was a little different is Judeou came to

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Speaker 2: practice because he was allowed to. That's the new part.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And the new part was the public spectacle of it.

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Speaker 5: And I think, in all seriousness, I do think that

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Speaker 5: they probably said, you know what, you ain't practicing tomorrow either, right, right,

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Speaker 5: because that was unprofessional. And I've been very much pro

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Speaker 5: player with a lot of these squabbles. And you're right,

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Speaker 5: he's not a villain for wanting more money. He's a

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Speaker 5: villain for acting like a petulant child yesterday. Yeah, he

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Speaker 2: He was like a kid in class that was constantly

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Speaker 2: disrupting the class. And what do you do. Then you

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Speaker 2: get them out of the class because the rest of

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Speaker 2: the kids want to learn. And that's what we had yesterday.

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Speaker 2: And that's what grod Mayo did.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 5: I was wondering if we were going to get maybe

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Speaker 2: I mean, we can we'll see you later on in

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Speaker 2: whatever reason that is, he's still not here. And Girod

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Speaker 2: like you would think that, you know.

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Speaker 5: It was a tough day for ever, like the bar

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Speaker 6: At each thing individual, right, but that's what But then

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Speaker 6: let's just your three best defensive players all had something

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Speaker 6: happened to him yesterday, right, Yeah, like on the same day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm doing I'm doing it for you Peppers, Bar

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Speaker 5: Moore and Juda and you know. And then on the

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Speaker 5: other side, the thing that you probably most excited I'll

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Speaker 5: speak for myself personally. The thing I'm most excited about

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Speaker 5: is the third overall pick. Quarterback kind of has gotten

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Speaker 5: off to a you know, a pretty slow start a camp,

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Speaker 5: and really I thought struggled yesterday. I thought there were

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Speaker 2: And that's what I said. It doesn't it.

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Speaker 5: Doesn't mean like we have to say there's no hope

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Speaker 5: And I don't really think anybody's saying that. I think

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Speaker 7: It was.

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Speaker 2: It's a tough day. It was a tough forty eight hours.

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Speaker 8: Especially if you like the defense, and that's you know,

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Speaker 8: that's that's been my thing. And I think one thing

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Speaker 8: I know, you know, not everybody agrees to what level

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Speaker 7: It was earlier. We don't know when Christian Barmore is

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't count who's going to rush the.

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Speaker 8: And that's and then and as we're watching practice and

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Speaker 8: we're seeing some good reps with the top off first

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Speaker 8: making some progress there. But at the same time, you're

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Speaker 2: Well, when you say fall apart, you mean losing just

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Speaker 2: losing pieces, and they've been playing pretty well out there, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I mean, you know, I mean I think we can

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Speaker 8: I think the absence of those guys in those one

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Speaker 5: And the snaps have been all over the place because

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Speaker 5: and we should probably point out because David Andrews isn't

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Speaker 5: that's tough. That to me, that that throws off rhythm

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Speaker 5: getting the snaps. Yeah, it's not all Drake may.

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Speaker 2: No, it's not all Drake Maye, but a lot of it. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: gonna be rough. But I wouldn't let up on him.

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Speaker 2: If I was the coaches I would be. I would

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Speaker 2: I would let them cheat, and then afterwards I would

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Speaker 2: use it as hey, Drake, what did you see? You know,

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Speaker 2: I put him in a situation where he's going to fail,

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Speaker 2: Let him fail, teach him why he failed, teach him

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Speaker 8: I just say, today I thought, you know, and Paul

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Speaker 8: laid out it was, you know, an okay day better

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Speaker 8: he completed some passes, and I think, you know, even

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Speaker 7: I thought one of you know, one of his reps,

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Speaker 7: I felt like he missed him.

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Speaker 8: But just the sheer volume, I mean, I counted out

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Speaker 7: Nice day for Joe Milton too, but I.

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Speaker 5: I don't think it means anything, but I thought he

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Speaker 8: But I say no, and it stayed as it's kind

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Speaker 8: of been. But I just thought the amount of reps

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Speaker 7: What he needs. He needs to see this stuff.

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Speaker 8: He needs to wrap it over and over and over

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Speaker 8: It's just that he's getting a lot of work and

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, first reps for Douglas against the defense too,

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Speaker 8: that I still think the offense wile I was gonna

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Speaker 8: make it, now I'm completely like, I don't know if

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Speaker 8: the defense is going to have enough pass rush to

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Speaker 8: really support the offense.

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Speaker 5: Now to slow down on what's you know, the defense

439
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Speaker 5: being a disaster. I still see a lot of passes

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Speaker 5: that are either blown up with sacks or you know,

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Speaker 5: shure it's circuit now. I did make a comment today

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Speaker 5: to my Peanut Gallery gready in Indy Art because they

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Speaker 5: confused to watch practices with me. I thought there were

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Speaker 5: more of those play actions, you know, misdirection boot when

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Speaker 5: they you know, they play action one way and they

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Speaker 5: boot the other way. That the quarterback turned around and

447
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Speaker 5: didn't have a pass rusher right in his face, and

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Speaker 5: that was You could count on one hand the amount

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Speaker 5: of times that happened in the first four or five days.

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Speaker 5: Today they were able to execute some of those places.

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Speaker 5: Now there were some that he still, you know, he did.

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Speaker 5: I think some of those plays get blown up under

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Speaker 5: real conditions. My big thing that I'm encouraged about with

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Speaker 5: the tackles is this is three days in a row,

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Speaker 5: now four days in a row.

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Speaker 2: It's the same.

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Speaker 5: One's Chukes at the right side and Kyten Wallace on

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Speaker 5: the left side. I think they've decided those are my

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Speaker 5: two tackles. Yeah, yeah, you know, so that that gives

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Speaker 5: me some encouragement.

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Speaker 9: When they split into the two one on one groups,

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Speaker 9: I was watching and they had seven guys or eight guys,

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Speaker 9: seven guys with the with the top unit, and it

464
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Speaker 9: was very clear, right now, those are the top seven guys,

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Speaker 9: and then the other the backups were over with the

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Speaker 9: other unit. But there's a chance, and I don't want

467
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Speaker 9: to get to ahead of ourselves because it's only two

468
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Speaker 9: padded practices. But that was some of the better line

469
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Speaker 9: play I've seen the Patriots have in training. Camp in

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Speaker 9: a couple of years. Over the last couple of days

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Speaker 9: when I charted the one on ones, I had nine

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Speaker 9: straight wins for the offensive linemen over the top defensive line,

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Speaker 9: Uce Jennings a quality wise, you know guys that are

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Speaker 9: going to be in the mix for the Patriots on

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Speaker 9: defense this year. Now, Like to Mike's point, there's no Judean,

476
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Speaker 9: there's no bar More. Those are two guys that in

477
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Speaker 9: one on ones can consistently wreck one on one. So

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Speaker 9: those are the guys that definitely are missing from this puzzle.

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Speaker 9: But there's a chance that the Cleveland guys just know

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Speaker 9: how to coach line play. Like there's a chance that

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Speaker 9: that's the thing, because they had great lines in Cleveland

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Speaker 9: for the four years at Alex Van Pelt was there,

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Speaker 9: and Bill Callahan gets a lot of that credit. But

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Speaker 9: maybe this system and this coaching staff and the strike

485
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Speaker 9: system and all these little things.

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Speaker 5: That they do and a tutorial on that later.

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Speaker 10: And in Cleveland, maybe it works.

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Speaker 5: And you know, they say in Cleveland last year they

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Speaker 5: were absolutely decimated with injuries and had to keep doing

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Speaker 5: it with lesser personnel. Yeah, So I mean, in fairness,

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Speaker 5: I didn't watch I haven't seen any of the one

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Speaker 5: on ones.

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Speaker 2: You're not, You're not I'm watching. You don't have the

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Speaker 2: Sunday ticket with the Cleveland Browns.

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Speaker 5: No, no, no, the one on ones. They had some one

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Speaker 5: on ones.

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Speaker 2: And I was watching a few of them.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I haven't really watched any of that much like

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Speaker 5: I don't tend to get too into the one on

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Speaker 5: one with the receivers in general too, because it's just

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Speaker 5: so hard.

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Speaker 10: But the full.

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Speaker 5: Team offensive line play, I thought, to Evan's point and

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Speaker 5: to Mike's point, strike with was was a little better.

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Speaker 5: But there was some more play actions that didn't get

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Speaker 5: immediately blown up. It's a working press. There's a lot

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Speaker 5: of run plays for no yards too.

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Speaker 2: They're not tackling yet. And you know so.

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Speaker 9: Jacoeyber said hit kJ Osborne at the end of practice

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Speaker 9: on the crossing route where he had he.

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Speaker 10: Had all day.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly the play you're talking And I haven't seen that.

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Speaker 10: That's the Patriots practice often, so leave it.

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Speaker 7: Leave it to Mike too.

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Speaker 5: Instead of just being encouraged by some progress, it's like,

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Speaker 5: I don't know if we're gonna be able to get

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Speaker 5: any pressure on the past.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't know what it means I'm kind of

519
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Speaker 9: on the on the fence with Mike about this because

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Speaker 9: they're missing guys and guys that might not even be

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Speaker 9: here now without bar Moore and Judi and so I

522
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Speaker 9: don't know what to make of it. But some of

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Speaker 9: the things that you talk to about the lineman, it

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Speaker 9: seems like they're getting coached really well in that room,

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Speaker 9: and it's all they're getting better, right, It's getting better

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Speaker 9: every single time.

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Speaker 8: Saw that in old camps, right, Yeah, at the like

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Speaker 8: ye was a nightmare every day those guys were at

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Speaker 8: the podiums like they.

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Speaker 10: Look like bleardly, Like this is all without Andrews too.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, David Andrews has been missing. But for the most part,

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Speaker 5: you've you've been really healthy up front, and that hasn't

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Speaker 5: been the case the last few years.

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Speaker 9: Even the outside zone stuff that they've been running, they've

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Speaker 9: made some holes for the running backs and some of

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Speaker 9: the run periods.

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Speaker 5: Yesterday, I thought there were a couple of really positive runners.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, and that again not something that I could say

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Speaker 10: happened often.

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Speaker 5: Never remember when they tried the zone stuff two years ago,

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Speaker 5: like every single one of them was a party in

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Speaker 5: the back, Like why are we even I don't think.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, the top unit hit one yesterday with Antonio Gibson,

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Speaker 9: where I think he was gone, like sixty yard touchdown gone.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, that doesn't happen very all right.

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Speaker 2: it's good to see the offensive line not just being

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Speaker 2: pieces of furniture. They're actually getting it done.

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Speaker 9: Avery Scott Peters actually knows what he's doing. That's the

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Speaker 9: early returns. That's what I would say.

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Speaker 2: Well, we've seen it over the years, like the guys

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Speaker 2: that the Patriots have had on the offensive line haven't

567
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Speaker 2: always been you know, pro bowlers or whatever, but Dante

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Speaker 2: Scarneki just figured it out. Injuries would happened, you plug

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Speaker 2: somebody else. As long as he's playing the system that

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Speaker 2: Dante taught and the techniques that he drills into him,

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Speaker 2: they were okay, they got by. They got by.

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Speaker 9: So he's gonna take some getting used to with chooks

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Speaker 9: the cor four though, because his passet is wonky, like

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Speaker 9: he's able to keep guys in front of him, but

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Speaker 9: it's not. It doesn't look clean, so we'll see what

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Speaker 9: it looks like when he's facing some better rushers. He's

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Speaker 9: the one guy in one on ones where I've had

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Speaker 9: some losses go his way that it had been a

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Speaker 9: little bit inconsistent, But you know, I thought Laden Robinson

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Speaker 9: also was pretty good yesterday, specifically in some of the

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Speaker 9: drills too. So both rookies, I think are.

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Speaker 2: Often Even when the Patriots had guys like Matt White,

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Speaker 2: Jason Taylor would still have his days. You know. So

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Speaker 2: the good the better, you know, the elite pass rushers,

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Speaker 2: that's the reason why they were lead is because they

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Speaker 2: win most of the time. You know, So it's not

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Speaker 2: gonna be perfect, but you're looking for competency.

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Speaker 7: Right well, that.

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Speaker 8: I remember practice is the last two years where it's

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Speaker 8: like did the offense get anything out of today? Because

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Speaker 8: they can't run anything, you know, like half the plays

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Speaker 8: that they try to run, like Paul said, we're you know,

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Speaker 8: blown up, and like it's like, man, what a waste

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Speaker 8: of a day, you know, and it's like you're mad

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Speaker 8: at the defense because they're spinning the dial on you.

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Speaker 8: But you know it's it's and I mean and and

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Speaker 8: and Paul's right to you know, it's not like every

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Speaker 8: play it's just perfect. It's it's at least looks like

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Speaker 8: a functional offense right now, and that you know, they're

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Speaker 8: able to everybody's buying in. They understand what they need

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Speaker 8: to do. It's all connected, you know. That's just kind

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Speaker 8: of the sense that I'm getting, you know right now,

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Speaker 8: just watching consistent practice, you're watching improvement, You're watching you know,

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Speaker 8: some plays that look terrible a couple of days ago,

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Speaker 8: they're starting to show show some semblance.

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Speaker 7: Of order and consistency. So hopefully that continues.

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Speaker 8: And and you know, this next few days is pretty

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Speaker 8: probably pretty vital because look, you're gonna have three days

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Speaker 8: of practice, then you're gonna have two next week kind

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Speaker 8: of get ready for that game, right.

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Speaker 7: And then one more joint practice. And that's kind of it.

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Speaker 8: So I think these, uh, these next few practices coming up,

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Speaker 8: I guess Thursday, Friday, Saturday will be it will be pretty important,

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Speaker 8: pretty telling and really kind of I think the last

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Speaker 8: real training camp practice.

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Speaker 5: And we should, yeah, we should stress that's going to

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Speaker 5: be it for us to be able to watch the

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Speaker 5: horse going to continue. Like you know, Bill used to,

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Speaker 5: Bill would have just you know, thrown up in his

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Speaker 5: mouth a little bit, like they have a lot more

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Speaker 5: training camp to go.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, then whatever, what do we have?

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Speaker 5: Six would today? Six six, seven more that will open

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Speaker 5: that are open to the public, right, they'll be so

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Speaker 5: they still have a lot more practice even during the season,

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Speaker 5: but we will still practice heading into the I have

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Speaker 5: to go to practice, right and Evan will have to

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Speaker 5: come back from practice.

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Speaker 10: I can't wait to hear my jingles.

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Speaker 7: We're still doing that. I have a jingle now to that.

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Speaker 10: I think this is really hurt that the.

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Speaker 8: I have my own jingle, sneaky territorial.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, a five to five past five hundred.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to the unless anything else you guys want

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Speaker 2: to cover.

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Speaker 5: You know, I think you did a good job of

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Speaker 5: rallying the troops, Fred Fred had a public service announcement.

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Speaker 2: Everything. I had a level set.

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Speaker 9: I'm sure we probably are in line and what you said,

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Speaker 9: but to me, it's just we spent the entire draft

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Speaker 9: process telling people that Drake May was a little bit

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Speaker 9: of a project, and then the fact that it doesn't

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Speaker 9: look perfect on the first and.

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Speaker 10: Second day of pads. Now we're up in arms that

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Speaker 10: he's a bust.

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Speaker 9: Right, I'm not saying it's that people are saying he's

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Speaker 9: a bust, but we all told you and I'm not

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Speaker 9: trying to like, oh.

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Speaker 2: On Holly, Michael Holly said that, you know, it looked

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Speaker 2: like Mac Jones. Yeah, like Mac Jones against Dallas.

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Speaker 5: See that's the part that I don't really understand, Like

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Speaker 5: you could tell me that you don't you know WHOA

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Speaker 5: Drake May doesn't look anywhere near ready, and I would

654
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Speaker 5: probably agree with you. I don't think he looks anywhere

655
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 5: near ready. I agree with that, okay, But there's nothing

656
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 5: resembling mac Jones in any way, shape or form. And

657
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 5: I go back to Mike's thing that he said every

658
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 5: day when we were up in the Rams, it's just

659
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 5: nice not to have to worry about your quarterbacks ability,

660
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 5: his athleticism, his arm strength, his size, his physicality, Like,

661
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 5: none of those are in question. They were all in

662
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 5: question with mac Jones.

663
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 2: And and again mac Jones in Dallas was his third year.

664
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Speaker 8: Right, I don't know where he got that camp. Did

665
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 8: he just pick the worst mac Jones game?

666
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 5: And like, that's the one that reminds me, now, that

667
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 5: would be that's a good off season project for me.

668
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 5: Next year was mac Jones's worst?

669
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 2: It was probably that was probably one of his worst interceptions.

670
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 2: Thrown across his body.

671
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 9: He got benched across the pick sicks across his body.

672
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 9: Is the worst throw I've ever seen him make.

673
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, not the only time he did that.

674
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 2: No, it isn't. But it seemed like that was an

675
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: especially bad game for him, And I think for Belichick

676
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 2: he really wanted to do better in that game as

677
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 2: a team because maybe it was kind of an audition

678
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 2: because he knew he was gonna be this was his

679
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: last year. And I don't know. I'm just saying I

680
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: love the Freddy. I'm just saying I think Bill took

681
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 2: that one to heart. Yeah, loss, I think he wanted

682
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 2: a better showing from his team. I was, all right,

683
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 2: so let's get to the phones. Unless you have something else,

684
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 2: let's get to the We'll start off with Jeff and Maine.

685
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 2: What's up, Jeff, Hey, how you doing?

686
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 11: Guys?

687
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 7: All right, Jeff uh So?

688
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 12: Regarding a free safety position, I know that Jaln Hopkins

689
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 12: kind of looking like the guy right now. And that's

690
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 12: to Ron harton role at That's what I what I've heard.

691
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 12: But he's kind of been a journeyman for the last

692
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 12: four years. I know he hasn't worked on it since college.

693
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 12: But with Brennan Schooler's size and speed and athleticism, if

694
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 12: he really worked on it, do you think that he

695
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 12: could have an impact at free safety? And you know

696
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 12: what you think the timeline would look like with that

697
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 12: if he were to really work on it.

698
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 2: Thanks guys, I'll take it off the air, Okay, Thanks Jeff.

699
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 7: I don't. I don't think so. I don't think so.

700
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 7: I mean it's to I don't know.

701
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 8: I would temper Jalen Hawkins a little bit, like I

702
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 8: think he's a good player, and you know, they seem

703
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 8: interested in him, especially like even like on punt team,

704
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 8: like he's getting some.

705
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 10: Well he's a core special team.

706
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, he's a reps it like personal protector.

707
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 7: So I do think he's in the mix.

708
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 8: But I would pump the brakes on thinking he's gonna

709
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 8: be in there with Peppers and Dugger and that's our

710
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 8: three now, Like I I still have made that leap

711
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 8: in for Schooler, I don't.

712
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 7: I don't think that.

713
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 2: That's what they're trying him.

714
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:22,959
Speaker 12: Right.

715
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 8: Well, he's getting reps back there, and I think Mayo

716
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 8: talked a little bit.

717
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 7: About you know, you know.

718
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 8: You're in bind or you're blowing somebody out. You want

719
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 8: to give him a chance. But you know, he wasn't

720
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 8: really a safety in college. He was a receiver a

721
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 8: little bit, and I mean he's he's a.

722
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 5: Special so I saw something to do you agree with that, Schooler?

723
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, I would just say that Jabriel Peppers and Kyle

724
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 9: Duggar are you're starting safeties?

725
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 5: No, there's no doubt about it.

726
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: They just the depth there, They just going to get hurt.

727
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 9: Yeah, But I think this idea of the Duran her

728
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 9: Harmon role in that third safety, I'm not sure if

729
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 9: it's necessarily going to be that cut and dry, because

730
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 9: I guess it is that like Jonathan Jones, Marcus Jones

731
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 9: and those guys are gonna playing out.

732
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 2: That's what I did.

733
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 5: You see a lot of Jonathan a lot of Jonathan

734
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 5: Jones totally, and it was dependent on obviously, it's dependent

735
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 5: on the offensive personnel, and you know, the if there's

736
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 5: three wides to one side or whatever, it sort of

737
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 5: takes the back corner and put But he was like

738
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 5: back as the loan safety, like in that kind of

739
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 5: a role. And I started thinking exactly the way Evan

740
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 5: just said, it's gonna be Dougner and it's gonna be

741
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 5: Pepper's Jay, Like, this is kind of like another version

742
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 5: of that offensive line thing. We're gonna find our best

743
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 5: five offensive Lineman's Jalen Hawkins better than Marcus Jones and

744
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 5: Jonathan Jones probably not, So those are the five that

745
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 5: are going to be out there. Well, maybe we can

746
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 5: move because I think that They've tried a lot of

747
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 5: reps with Marcus Jones on the outside just to see

748
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 5: what it looks like, and Jonathan Jones is sort of

749
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 5: moving around. I think they're going to try to figure

750
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 5: it out with those five guys. Obviously was being the fifth.

751
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 5: Hell yeah, and they'll be moving around in different roles. Yeah,

752
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 5: because those are the best five defensive backs.

753
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 9: No, they keep talking and harping about how they can

754
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 9: disguise with Peppers and Dugger because both they're pretty similar players.

755
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 9: So that allows you to you know, one can buzz

756
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 9: into the box or the other can do it on

757
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 9: another down, and you can kind of switch off which

758
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 9: way the rotation is going, and teams can't tee off

759
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 9: on that. It kind of reminds me of the Bills

760
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 9: with Hide and Bloyer a little bit, and you know,

761
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 9: different types of players, but same type of idea where

762
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 9: on any given play, one would be a free, one

763
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 9: would be in the box, and it can just kind

764
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 9: of rotate. And into Paul's point, I don't feel like

765
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 9: that third safety is necessarily going to be as big

766
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 9: of a deal because you're gonna have the Joneses, you know,

767
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 9: being in someone who's going to be inside in that

768
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Speaker 9: nickel spot, and if there's going to be anybody that's

769
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Speaker 9: going to rotate up top that's maybe not expected. I

770
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Speaker 9: would think it would be one of those guys.

771
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 8: It's one of my favorite things to kind of watch

772
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 8: in a practice, and everybody wonders about how much carryover

773
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 8: there's going to be with the check defense, and you

774
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 8: know how they're going to continue to spin the dial.

775
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 8: I mean one rep in particular, Paul where it did.

776
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 8: It looked like Jonathan Jones is the middlefield safety. It

777
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 8: looked like I think Dougger was a linebacker, and then

778
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,959
Speaker 8: right at the snap, Jones comes start charging in the slot.

779
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 8: Dougger drops out, and it's a lot of those post

780
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,919
Speaker 8: snap things that all of a sudden, you know, change

781
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 8: it from middlefield open to middlefield closed and you know, complications.

782
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 8: So I think they're going to continue to spin the dial.

783
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 5: But funny when you see it, like you look and

784
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 5: you're like, did they just no, I probably didn't really

785
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 5: see it, And then like you wait to see it

786
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 5: like three four times and you're like, okay, so this

787
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 5: is something clearly they're trying to do that's a little different.

788
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 5: And then you try to watch and see things like

789
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 5: Mike just explained, you know, showed a changing off.

790
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 8: And right right at the snap, and I mean EXAs

791
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,879
Speaker 8: done plenty of in the past, so's he can play.

792
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 8: You know, it's not it's it's it's not the kind

793
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 8: of thing that that is so foreign to everybody. But

794
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 8: you know, opposing defense, our offenses are going to look

795
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 8: at that, you know, and they and then that's what

796
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 8: they're continuing to try to do. Spin the dial, confused guys,

797
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 8: put guys in different spots. I haven't felt though that

798
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 8: it's been overly aggressive like it. It seemed like Steve

799
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 8: Belichick was way more spin the dial guys dropping guys

800
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 8: come in that kind of stuff and practice. I don't know,

801
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,439
Speaker 8: I might be maybe maybe a little bit reading too

802
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 8: much though.

803
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 5: It was interesting today when they first went to team

804
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 5: there was a lot of sort of secondary guys in

805
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 5: the secondary Uh. You know Marco Wilson, who I thought

806
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 5: actually had a pretty active day today. And he's a

807
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 5: guy that we don't really talk a lot about, but

808
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 5: he's not a rookie. He's like a fifty year guy.

809
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 5: I think he was in Arizona.

810
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,240
Speaker 9: He's played a little bit in the league, So he's

811
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 9: got a little experience in the league.

812
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 5: I think he struggled, you know, for the most part,

813
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 5: until today. I thought he showed up a little bit,

814
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 5: made a nice pass deflection on he picked up quickout.

815
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 2: He definitely scooped.

816
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 7: Was that Harris that that fumbled this?

817
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 5: I don't know if it was that a fumble in

818
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 5: the exchange or someone looked it was an exchange. Yeah,

819
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 5: I was kind of field level. This was one of

820
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 5: the times I kind of wish I was up with

821
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 5: the know it all up, in the know it all

822
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 5: ramp that you guys are up.

823
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 8: It was hard to tell with some of the snaps

824
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 8: because it was you know, especially like you mentioned.

825
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 5: With May, some they just you know, there was there

826
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 5: was some low ones today, whereas but Wilson was with

827
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 5: Alex Austin and a couple of lesser known guys like

828
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 5: Mikey Victor was out there a little bit murky.

829
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, Marco Wilson and Alex Austin feel like they're kind

830
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 9: of in a competition to be that that third outside corner. Yeah,

831
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 9: you know, it's gonna be one of the Joneses and

832
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 9: in Gonzo, and there's gonna be one other guy that's

833
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 9: gonna be a regular contributor in that room. Isaiah Bolden's

834
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 9: probably in that conversation.

835
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 2: That group as well.

836
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 9: Yeah, and they've been giving some opportunities to those three

837
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 9: guys in almost like a rotation with Gonzo and the Joneses.

838
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 9: Like every once in a while it's Aux Austin, sometimes

839
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 9: it's Marco Wilson, sometimes it's Bolden. So that that seems

840
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 9: to me like the guy that's gonna come on the

841
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 9: field maybe more than than like a Jalen Hawkins would

842
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 9: be like a bigger outside corner to kick the one

843
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 9: of the Joneses back inside so that they can get

844
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 9: some again in certain matchups, you know, week one against

845
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 9: t Higgins, that type of thing.

846
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 7: What'd you guys see for the offense?

847
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 2: Took a lap?

848
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 7: Did you catch that?

849
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 8: It seemed like it was a miscommunication, like Ron personnel,

850
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 8: the whole offense.

851
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 5: They had too many guys in the hot Yeah.

852
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 10: Yeah, looked like maybe Jalen poll.

853
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 2: Coaches take a laugh with him.

854
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 7: I do think it was.

855
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 2: And Fresno, what's up?

856
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 13: Speed's going on? It sounds like it was a tough

857
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 13: day yesterday, but got your guys great coverage. So you're

858
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 13: kicking ass as usual. Thanks for all that.

859
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 2: Sure.

860
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 13: I got a question about like assessing stuff in training camp,

861
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 13: like when you're seeing when you're trying to actest individual

862
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 13: players or maybe even whole personnel groups, like like offensive line.

863
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 13: It just seems like it would be kind of challenging

864
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 13: to know who's who's really doing well as opposed to

865
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 13: just kind of doing okay against what you got on

866
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 13: the other side. Like Marcus Jones, for example, I'd love

867
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 13: to see him improved because I'm not sure what his

868
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 13: feeling is yet, but like when he does well against

869
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 13: these receivers in camp, how enthusiastic can you be, like

870
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 13: when you don't know how it would look going up

871
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 13: against better players, or like vice versa, somebody beats Marcus Jones. Well,

872
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 13: if I don't know how good Marcus Jones is, you.

873
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 7: Don't know anything. Speak, You know nothing right, nothing tells

874
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 7: you anything.

875
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 5: And that's why we just kind of try not to

876
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 5: necessarily make these sweeping evaluations of what it means going

877
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 5: forward to just kind of report on what was seeing.

878
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 5: It's just in the moment.

879
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 8: And these guys who are consistently showing up, I mean,

880
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,959
Speaker 8: any any single rep you can easily like go well

881
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 8: with this, and but that right at the end of

882
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 8: the day, you just got to tally up.

883
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 5: Here maybe an example of that. But yeah, the yah.

884
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 5: But first couple of days we were sort of talking

885
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 5: about Jalen Rager, Jalen Rager, Jalen Rager making these plays,

886
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 5: and I think Evan was the one who said, you know,

887
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 5: we've kind of seen this from Jalen Rager in the

888
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 5: NFL before. Let's see what happens when the pads come on.

889
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 7: Where was he today?

890
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 5: Jalen Rager drop? Jalen Rager can completely you know, like

891
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 5: it wasn't as good certainly today as it was when

892
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 5: the pats.

893
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 2: But you can't get indicators from some of these practices.

894
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 2: And we've had in the past with Malcolm Butler or

895
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 2: Randall Gay. New guy comes in and wow, he's showing

896
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 2: up and all of a sudden he's getting inserted.

897
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 5: With I've been looking for that. I haven't really seen a.

898
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 2: Lot this year, but you know, guys all of a

899
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 2: sudden get inserted with the starters and they're starting to

900
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 2: get wraps and that means something.

901
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 5: And when they okay, they see you do so yeah,

902
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 5: I mean I see you getting reps with the big boys. Deuse.

903
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 2: That kind of thing means something. But strike you know

904
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 2: what Spee is saying, there's always a.

905
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 8: Yab but you guy's going to teach me with all

906
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 8: of this, right, Well, it's like a one on one.

907
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 8: Oh he toasted Christian zalez No. This is really hard

908
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 8: on the TVs though, and one on one. You know,

909
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 8: it's like there's always something. But I would just say,

910
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 8: I got a question the mailbag about you DFA, like

911
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 8: who's standing at I'm like, I don't really have one

912
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 8: right now, That's.

913
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 5: What I meant, Like, I haven't really seen a guy,

914
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 5: you know, like when you sing the song one of

915
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 5: these things doesn't belong. Malcolm Butler was one of these

916
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 5: things that didn't belong in twenty fourteen. I haven't really

917
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 5: seen any of those guys yet. When those guys have

918
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 5: been out there, there's been a lot of them out there. Yeah,

919
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 5: you know, like I said, it was a well, I

920
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 5: didn't know Spet was still there.

921
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 13: Sorry, I'm sorry, but maybe instead of looking at I

922
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 13: appreciate the comp station, but maybe instead of like looking

923
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 13: at individual players, is their merit to instead taking a

924
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 13: bigger picture look at stuff like, hey, how much are

925
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 13: people successfully adapting to whatever new schemes or concepts are

926
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 13: being put in? And I wonder, I mean, like, is

927
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 13: that a different way of looking at it? Like that

928
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 13: that's something that you look for.

929
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 9: Yeah, I feel like for me, it's just it's practice

930
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 9: to practice. I try to look at different things, because,

931
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 9: let's face it, there's no way that you can watch

932
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 9: all twenty two guys in a live rep without the

933
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 9: ability to go back and rewatch it on a practice

934
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 9: film and act like you saw everything.

935
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 10: So yesterday was the first day in.

936
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 9: PAD, so my binoculars were up and I was watching

937
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 9: just the line of scrimmage to watch the guy the

938
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 9: big guys up front. Today I looked a little bit

939
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 9: more at the receivers again. But it's one of those

940
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 9: things where you, you know, do have to kind of

941
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 9: pick a little bit, you know, when we go to

942
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 9: joint practices, like Douce often watches the defense and I'll

943
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 9: watch the offense, and that way you're you're a little

944
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 9: bit more narrowed and what you're trying to look at

945
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 9: instead of trying to digest it all. Because if you

946
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 9: try to go in there and watch every try to

947
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 9: think you know everything, like you saw everything, you're gonna

948
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 9: get overwhelmed, so you're not gonna see anything at that point.

949
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 2: Thanks space. And a lot of times we don't know

950
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 2: what we're watching, yell.

951
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 5: That's my bigger part, you know, like to see how

952
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 5: the offense is. Like, I mean, you don't know exactly

953
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 5: what's going on in every play, right, or what's supposed

954
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 5: to be going Yeah, you could tell, like I use

955
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 5: that phrase like for that looked normal. Oh that didn't

956
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 5: look right, you know, like you know, there are times

957
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 5: when they actually complete passes and you say, yeah, that

958
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 5: didn't look like that was designed to be like that,

959
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 5: you know, and you could tell it's late in the

960
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 5: down and yeah, oh yeah, like a quarterback will run

961
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 5: around for you know, three minutes and one which may

962
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 5: have happened today.

963
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 3: Uh.

964
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 5: You know.

965
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 8: One guy just highlight two along these lines is Austin Hooper,

966
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 8: who's a guy who's played in this system before. And

967
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 8: I feel like there's been a handful of plays where

968
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 8: it's just like he knows what he's doing, he's in

969
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 8: the right place, Jacoby knows he's going to be there.

970
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 7: There's just been a couple of those.

971
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 8: Kind of trust plays that I'm hopeful that that's a

972
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 8: sign of as the rest of these guys try to

973
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 8: get to the offense that you know works. And I mean,

974
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 8: it's just nice hearing a lot of these guys like

975
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 8: Austin Hooper say this system works, you know, and he

976
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 8: had that ready.

977
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 14: You know.

978
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 8: They they have coaches installing the system that know what

979
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 8: they're doing, and everybody believes that they know what they're doing,

980
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 8: whereas we know what happened a couple of years ago

981
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 8: when they're trying to install a system that they don't

982
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,919
Speaker 8: know what they're doing. The players do and they're saying,

983
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 8: you guys aren't doing this right. You know, there's none

984
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 8: of that, And that's a bit.

985
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 9: That's the other thing what Jacoby Eber said to not

986
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 9: to take away from him clearly being the better quarterback

987
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 9: so far in these at least more competitive practices. But

988
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,959
Speaker 9: he started eleven games in this offense two years ago,

989
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 9: and he's thirty one years old and he's been in

990
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 9: the league for a while, forty eight starts in the

991
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 9: in his career. Overall, of course, he's ahead of where

992
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 9: Drake may is at this point. If he wasn't then

993
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 9: Drake maybe sign what are we doing? So you know,

994
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 9: he definitely looks like he has more of those Paul plays,

995
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 9: those Sunday plays. Today, you hit one to Hunter Henry

996
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 9: on a nice post route right over Josh Blood so

997
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 9: where I was like that to the Paul's falls thing,

998
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 9: and now I think of it all the time that

999
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 9: that was a play looked right, you know kJ Osborne

1000
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 9: crossing route. Towards the end of practice, that was a

1001
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,919
Speaker 9: play And you can see Jacob Brissett just knows where

1002
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 9: the answers are a little bit quicker and a little

1003
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 9: bit more decisive.

1004
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 5: And I was very happy today at the very end

1005
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 5: of practice, first percent than May like one play to

1006
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 5: sort of set up a field goal, and I could

1007
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 5: tell that the field goals were good. That was right

1008
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 5: by them. Both each kicker kicked one.

1009
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 15: Hey yeah, are we doing guys a long time?

1010
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 16: Hello?

1011
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 8: Jerry?

1012
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 15: Hey, hey yeah good? Can you hear me? Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, yeah.

1013
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 15: Just got a couple of comments and I love to

1014
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 15: hear you guys respond. First, I completely agree with you

1015
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:03,439
Speaker 15: Fred and Paul there about Drake May's development. I think that, yeah,

1016
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 15: they're simulating pressure for him so that you know, he

1017
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 15: can learn from those mistakes later on when they restimulate

1018
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 15: that pressure. That's why he's probably working with the second

1019
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 15: and third team, and then hopefully, you know, by and

1020
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 15: the training camp, he's working with the first team. And

1021
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 15: then as far as the defense will borrow more out,

1022
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 15: I'm hoping him, Man, it's gonna step up. And Nicauality

1023
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 15: and number ninety nine I forget his name, yeah, and

1024
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 15: I think I forget his name, but yeah, I'm hoping

1025
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 15: those guys can step up to that.

1026
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 3: We can still.

1027
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 15: Simulate pressure on the past, pressure from top of you, Mike, hopefully. Yeah,

1028
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 15: the defense is still good. And then just two other things.

1029
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 15: I was looking at plays randomly on YouTube and Tom

1030
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 15: Brady's Leaf Liquor Real came up, and I was like, man, yeah,

1031
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 15: that'd be great if they installed into this office, because

1032
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 15: I think it'd be really good way of just changing

1033
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 15: it up and you know, being deceptive and getting those

1034
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 15: trunk plays. And then finally I was looking at the

1035
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 15: twenty twenty five free agent lists and looking at the

1036
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 15: tackles there, like, if we're going to have all this money,

1037
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 15: I think Tristan Wurriz is like the only guy I want,

1038
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 15: you know, out of the tackles to pick up and like,

1039
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,240
Speaker 15: I assuming we're not going to get a wide receiver

1040
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 15: because he never really have UH during free agency. I

1041
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 15: think we should draft lu for Burdon if we're in

1042
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 15: that draft rings because I got this team was like

1043
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 15: at least seven wins. I haven't had a floor four

1044
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 15: because that's what we did last year. And then, like

1045
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 15: Jakobe said, this offense is going to be better. This

1046
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 15: team should be better than this year. I mean I

1047
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 15: need one more win that five. I mean Drake May

1048
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 15: gets some playing time. I got the next roughly seven wins.

1049
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 15: I'm thinking we should draft Lou for Bergli year goes.

1050
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 2: All right, Thanks, Jerry, appreciate a lot of a lot

1051
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: of stuff there.

1052
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 7: There's a lot of stuff there.

1053
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 9: Let's let's talk about Keon White because I do feel

1054
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 9: like there's some buzz about Keon White.

1055
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 2: And I think you're not going to be Christian Barmore.

1056
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 9: Girodd said in the spring that he was one player

1057
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 9: that they felt like had stood out in that portion

1058
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 9: of the offseason. And I still don't necessarily see the

1059
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 9: one on one pass rusher out of him. I think

1060
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 9: he's disruptive and he made some plays today and team

1061
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 9: against the run and yesterday, but in terms of like

1062
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 9: just one on one pass rush off the edge, not

1063
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 9: necessarily expecting much out of that. But he's a disruptive guy.

1064
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 9: I'm just not sure he's a productive guy, if that

1065
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 9: makes sense. Like he might be causing a lot of chaos,

1066
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 9: but I don't know if he's necessarily gonna be the

1067
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 9: finisher that a judon is. If he is someone that

1068
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 9: has to play a little bit more.

1069
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like.

1070
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 8: We're already have Anthony Jennings right, Like that's kind of

1071
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 8: what I'm afraid of. It's great, he's a big, strong

1072
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 8: Guyah's stout, but he's not gonna bring anything against the past,

1073
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 8: That's what That's what I'm worried about. And he listed

1074
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 8: off guys. You know, there's no one who can do

1075
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 8: what Christian Barmore does. That what made Christian Barmore so

1076
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 8: special and needed by this team. And you know, as

1077
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 8: much as we want to say Daniel al Quale did fine,

1078
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 8: you know when he replaced Barmore two years ago, it's

1079
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 8: a significant drop off. And when you don't have any

1080
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 8: pressure up the middle and you don't have anyone off

1081
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 8: the edge. I mean, you're gonna ask josh U j

1082
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 8: this year to be like that's all you John, Like you

1083
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 8: got to go get the quarterback this year.

1084
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 5: It's a huge You guys are telling me that the

1085
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 5: one on ones are being controlled by the offensive line. Yeah,

1086
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 5: well that the flip side of that tells me that,

1087
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 5: you know, without Judon in bar More, potentially you're gonna

1088
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 5: have to scheme up your pressure and I don't like that.

1089
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 5: I don't like having to rely on that.

1090
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 9: It's really hard to do on early downs too. Especially

1091
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 9: they were able to scheme up pressure last year on

1092
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 9: third down, but first and second down you can't really

1093
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 9: do because you got to play the run and play

1094
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 9: action and all this other stuff. So you're not going

1095
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 9: to like bring the house on first and ten. It's

1096
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 9: just not really what it's designed to do. So if

1097
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 9: you don't have a guy like a bar More, like

1098
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 9: a Judon that can just beat the dude in front

1099
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 9: of him on a four man rush on first down,

1100
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 9: then you just have no pass rush on first down.

1101
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 2: You can, you know, you can run blitz every once

1102
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 2: in a while, but you get burned that way too.

1103
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 8: It's just in some ways I feel like this is

1104
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 8: going to be if this continues along, and I'm hopeful

1105
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 8: that Judon gets worked out and bar Moore, I mean,

1106
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 8: I don't really hope he can return this I mean,

1107
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 8: I hope he could return this year, but I'm not

1108
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 8: anticipating he's going to be back this year.

1109
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 7: I just am making peace with that.

1110
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 8: But I just I I hope that they're able to

1111
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 8: generate enough passwords because it's such an interesting experience where

1112
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 8: like I kind of always initially and getting into football,

1113
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 8: I believe in the front seven. You know, I believe

1114
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 8: you've got a great front seven. It's gonna make up

1115
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 8: for deficiencies in the back. And now I kind of

1116
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 8: see completely the opposite. I see a secondary that that

1117
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 8: I like that. You know, Christian Gonzalez is promising Jonathan Jones.

1118
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 8: I like the two safeties. You know, Bentley's a tough player.

1119
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 8: But up front, if you don't have the horses like this,

1120
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 8: you know what I mean, is it going to be

1121
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 8: Could it be terrible even with a good you know,

1122
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 8: a secondary that you have that's you know what I'm

1123
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 8: That's what I worry about.

1124
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 2: Now, that's mine, that's Dylan's in Florida what's up, Dylan, Hey.

1125
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 17: Guys, how you're doing good?

1126
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 3: So I have two questions.

1127
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 17: First, is Drake made bad reps really because of who's

1128
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 17: around him? Like I know you guys mentioned earlier, but

1129
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,879
Speaker 17: let's say, is it the second team offensive line that's

1130
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,919
Speaker 17: failing him or is it really him making the bad

1131
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 17: reps himself.

1132
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 12: I think it's going to be the other way.

1133
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 17: Where the first team offensive line, when he does make

1134
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 17: good good reps, him performing well with them, but then

1135
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 17: himself he's not performing well with the second team.

1136
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1137
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 5: Also that hasn't really happened.

1138
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 17: No, okay, So for this also, my second question was

1139
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 17: is the scheme when you guys first were looking into

1140
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 17: it in the off season spring, you guys talked a

1141
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 17: lot about how what you thought the scheme was going

1142
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 17: to be.

1143
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 13: When you're out.

1144
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 17: There, has the scheme been similar to what you thought

1145
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 17: or it has it been a little different because of

1146
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 17: the personnel and stuff like that.

1147
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 9: Yeah, exactly what I thought. Thanks to this point, I'm

1148
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 9: wondering if they're gonna do anything just to spice up

1149
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 9: some of their their early down formations. But as of

1150
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 9: right now, this is the Alex van Pelt, Kevin Stefanski

1151
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 9: offense to a t you know, outside zone, pin poll,

1152
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 9: some trap, like just exactly what I thought, strike system,

1153
00:49:57,960 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 9: you know, different.

1154
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 8: Things, you know, you know my strikes system is strike first,

1155
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 8: strike hard, no mercy.

1156
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 2: I like the lament.

1157
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 9: I like you do wish that they would give Drake

1158
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,720
Speaker 9: May a couple of reps with the first team offense

1159
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 9: in general, but especially the offensive line, because we talk

1160
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 9: so much about the offensive line being a problem, and

1161
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 9: now he's playing with guys six through ten or whatever

1162
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 9: it is on the depth chart, when we already are

1163
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 9: worried about one through five. So it's like when you

1164
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 9: go down another rung of tackles, especially on this depth chart,

1165
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 9: you're already a little dicey with Chuokes the corps for

1166
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 9: and Kaden Wallace, and now you're giving him Maderien Lowe

1167
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 9: and Calvin Anderson. If he went in there and he

1168
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,439
Speaker 9: had some more time and he was better protected, would

1169
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:42,919
Speaker 9: it look better?

1170
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 10: Of course?

1171
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 5: And I do think that that's been an issue. I

1172
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 5: think the offensive line has been an issue. We've talked

1173
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 5: about it every single day, So I do think that

1174
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 5: that's part of it. But the more important thing to

1175
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 5: me is the skill position guys that he's with are

1176
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 5: regular guys because they don't really have Like these three

1177
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 5: guys aren't separating themselves from everybody else. So it's not

1178
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 5: like Kendrick Bourne in to Mario Douglas are clearly the

1179
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 5: best two and we've seen them every day. It's you know,

1180
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 5: it's Douglas a little bit and just starting to get

1181
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 5: some competitive stuff against defense. But it's the two rookies.

1182
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 5: It's Jalen Rager, it's Juju Smith Schuster, like, these are

1183
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 5: all the guys Taekwon Thornton, these are all the guys

1184
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 5: that Brissett's throwing too too. It's the same guys, you know,

1185
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 5: and they're also for the most part, May is going

1186
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 5: against secondary guys on defense.

1187
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 2: So it's it's so.

1188
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I do think that the offensive line has been

1189
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 5: an issue for the offense, Like the quarterbacks specifically have

1190
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 5: had some you know, difficulties getting passes off you know,

1191
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 5: in rhythm. But I also think it's not just because

1192
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 5: of who he's playing with, and that will be an issue.

1193
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 5: I think Prisett's had issues with that too.

1194
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean.

1195
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's why I think if it's point

1196
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 5: at the very beginning of the show about I'd be

1197
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 5: curious to see what May looks like in a game,

1198
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 5: well when he can do whatever he wants, So when

1199
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 5: the protection breaks down.

1200
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 2: From from a Gerard Mayo and Alex Van Pelt perspective,

1201
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 2: I'm sure they would love to see what May looks

1202
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 2: like with the front, you know, one through five and

1203
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,240
Speaker 2: you know, everything being as it would be to start

1204
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 2: the game. But how do you balance that? How do

1205
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:35,280
Speaker 2: you not disrespect Jacoby Brissett and say, hey, we're gonna

1206
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,479
Speaker 2: we're gonna let Drake May take the starting reps this game,

1207
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 2: and then also risk not getting ready for the season.

1208
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a tough balance. Everybody wants to see that.

1209
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,399
Speaker 2: But he's got to show, he's got to earn that

1210
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 2: he's going to show up Jacoby Brissett in practice before

1211
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 2: he's going to get the right to be under center

1212
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 2: with one through five and everything else, and that we're

1213
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 2: far from that happening right now.

1214
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 8: I think I think just the short term goal would

1215
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 8: be David Andrews back, get him with Leverett, you know,

1216
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 8: let May play with the true second string, who's you know,

1217
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 8: been doing okay with the snaps, and you know, see

1218
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 8: where it kind of goes from.

1219
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 2: So at least he's a third string right.

1220
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 8: Right right, just a baby step maybe for this weekend

1221
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 8: when they get back in the pads.

1222
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 9: Yeah, Brady was on one of I think he might

1223
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 9: have been cowered, and he was talking about snapping the

1224
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,919
Speaker 9: ball into bad defenses and how his whole thing wasn't

1225
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 9: necessarily about the execution or the result of the play,

1226
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 9: It was did I run a play that could actually

1227
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 9: work against this defense? Now we're talking about high level

1228
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 9: stuff right when we start, when we start talking about

1229
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 9: that kind of stuff. But the thing that I see

1230
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 9: with Drake May right now is he's constantly, in my opinion,

1231
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 9: reacting instead of instinctually anticipating what the defense is doing

1232
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 9: to him. And because of that, he's a beat behind

1233
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 9: on a lot of these things. And a lot of quarterbacks,

1234
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 9: you know, they're they're they're they're the Bradys so and

1235
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 9: I'm you know, quarterbacks lesser than him that run it

1236
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 9: that kind of way. But a lot of these quarterbacks

1237
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 9: nowadays that come from these spread systems, that played in

1238
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 9: these wide open offenses in college, they don't play football

1239
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 9: like that anymore. Like they don't play a timing in

1240
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 9: rhythm based football brand of football anymore. So in some respects,

1241
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 9: I kind of give Drake May some leash because you're

1242
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 9: asking him to do something that he really didn't do

1243
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,280
Speaker 9: at North Carolina, like from the point of calling plays

1244
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 9: in a huddle, to getting to the line of scrimmage,

1245
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 9: to reading the defense, to all these different types of

1246
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 9: things and then asking him to execute it in rhythm.

1247
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 9: This is a learning curve for him. This is something

1248
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 9: completely new for him and a lot of these guys,

1249
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 9: you know, we talk about Josh Allen a lot on

1250
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 9: this show. A lot of those guys early on in

1251
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 9: their careers just kind of played football and they were

1252
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 9: just superior athletes than the people out there. You know,

1253
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 9: Patrick Mahomes said he couldn't read a defense until like

1254
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 9: two or three years into his starting career in the NFL,

1255
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 9: and he was just out there on pure talent, just

1256
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,399
Speaker 9: MVP of the league. Now, I'm not saying Drake May

1257
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 9: is going to do that, but that element is not

1258
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 9: what we're watching in these practices. We're watching the Brady

1259
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 9: element of structure. Yeah, is this going to work against

1260
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 9: the defense? And a lot of these plays that they're

1261
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 9: running are kind of doomed from the start.

1262
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 2: Chad's in Dallas. What's up, Chad? Chad?

1263
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 11: Hey, how's it going.

1264
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,479
Speaker 2: We can hear you? Good?

1265
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 11: Great? First off, love you man, Thank you for making

1266
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 11: me a better person.

1267
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 7: Very nice.

1268
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 5: That sounded sarcastic.

1269
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 11: No certain, No certain, not at all. You actually taught me.

1270
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 11: You can't tell me how to seek. I take that

1271
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 11: my personal life a lot.

1272
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 2: I can't tell you how to think.

1273
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 5: I can't. I can't tell people how to think. A

1274
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 5: lot of people in the media will try to tell

1275
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 5: you how to think. I'm not one of.

1276
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 14: Them, Yes, sir, exactly. But I'm talking about the defense.

1277
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 14: I feel like I don't know, maybe I'm all out proportions,

1278
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 14: but I feel like everybody's.

1279
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,280
Speaker 11: Not seeing the big picture on defense. I'm extremely worried

1280
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 11: about it.

1281
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 14: Why I'm worried about it is because since even the

1282
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 14: last year with Tom Brady, our defense hasn't stopped anybody. Good.

1283
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 11: Yeah, we got we got stats on backup quarterbacks and

1284
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 11: no name quarterbacks, and we get the stacks the stats,

1285
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 11: and that makes us top five defense whatever every year

1286
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 11: since then, but we haven't stopped nobody that truly matters.

1287
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 11: So I don't understand why everybody just gloss and go

1288
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 11: with the defense unless we just gonna stay defense just

1289
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 11: truly doesn't matter in the league any anymore. And we

1290
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 11: just got scored thirty five for every game. I understand,

1291
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 11: but I don't understand how you can stay rookie cornerback

1292
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 11: that broke that towards atl and still doesn't really know

1293
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 11: the top this wide receivers tricks on the field, yet

1294
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 11: we can have confidence in him, and then we got

1295
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 11: thirty two. You'll defensive line.

1296
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough, thanks thanks to torn shoulder broken should

1297
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Speaker 2: not torny right.

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00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 10: No, listen, he's he's talking about He's.

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00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 2: Side of the street. Paul worries about when you play

1300
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 2: the better defenses, you know, the numbers go up.

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Speaker 5: But can I just say, like, yeah, like this is

1302
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 5: a little defense of myself, Like I think the better

1303
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 5: defenses in football feast off of bad offenses. That's where

1304
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 5: their numbers are sort of generated. So they are where

1305
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 5: they like whatever the whatever you want to call them,

1306
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 5: top five, top ten, Yeah, that's where they That's where

1307
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 5: they land in the league. Now, I would say the

1308
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 5: last couple of years they have had an abnormal amount

1309
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 5: of backup quarterbacks that they've played, and I don't think

1310
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 5: that will be the case this year. But I don't

1311
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 5: want to sit there and say, well, you know, kidsas

1312
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 5: City has really got a good defense, and then that's

1313
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 5: way better than the Patriots.

1314
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 2: Well.

1315
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 5: No, they played against the the inept Bronco and the

1316
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 5: in Raiders twice. They had no offenses at all. So

1317
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 5: a lot of teams, a lot of teams generate a

1318
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 5: lot of gaudy stats against bad teams. Yeah, it's the

1319
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 5: Patriots are not unique in that regard, right, And a.

1320
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 2: Lot of in the best offenses are the best offenses

1321
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,919
Speaker 2: for a reason. There's very you know, everyone every once

1322
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 2: in a while in a season, there's an elite defense,

1323
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 2: like the Broncos back few years that year was that

1324
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 2: was different, that was different. They would they got anyone.

1325
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 9: We're almost going on in a decade, Yes, everybody, right,

1326
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 9: the Ravens back in their day, you know, but those

1327
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 9: are few and far between.

1328
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 2: For the most part. The best offenses score points you

1329
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 2: know against any.

1330
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Speaker 5: Dese against defense.

1331
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'd say there's more really good offenses that are

1332
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 8: there are really good defenses, you know, I said a

1333
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 8: few weeks ago, it's like there's just a couple of

1334
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 8: defenses that are truly like impact the game, you know,

1335
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 8: and and consistently. And then there are other defense that

1336
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 8: are opportunistic and at the right times they make their plays.

1337
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 2: In today's NFL, the good defense are the ones that

1338
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,959
Speaker 2: don't beat themselves, you know, they make the offense work

1339
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 2: for it. You know, in like Cleveland for example, Like no,

1340
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 2: they it wasn't a good enough defense to carry them

1341
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 2: to a super Bowl, but it was a good enough

1342
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 2: defense where they were competitive in pretty much every game,

1343
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 2: you know, despite not having the greatest offense. That's a

1344
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 2: good defense in today's NFL.

1345
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, That's exactly how I look at it. It's not

1346
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 9: that defense doesn't matter, It's just that I think our

1347
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 9: expectations for what's a good defense needs to change. Like

1348
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Speaker 9: you mentioned the Broncos, which was twenty fifteen, it's twenty

1349
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 9: twenty four. And you mentioned Baltimore, which was twenty years ago.

1350
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Speaker 9: Now right, those defenses, I don't know if the death

1351
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 9: of that defense might have happened, Like we might not

1352
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 9: see the Legion of Boom again, we might not see

1353
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 9: an early two thousands Baltimore defense again. It had happened

1354
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 9: once a decade, but it's I don't know if it's

1355
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 9: gonna be a regular thing because of the way that

1356
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 9: offensive offensive football has just taken off. So if you

1357
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 9: can keep your offense in a game against a good quarterback,

1358
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Speaker 9: and the hope is is that the offense is pulling

1359
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 9: the rope a little bit stronger going forward than it

1360
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 9: has the last couple of years to get you over

1361
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Speaker 9: the top. But the Patriots are not going anywhere unless

1362
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Speaker 9: their offense gets them there.

1363
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Speaker 2: And that's the lead.

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Speaker 5: That's really been my larger point about the whole thing

1365
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 5: is not telling you how good, bad, or indifferent the

1366
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Speaker 5: Patriots defense is. Some think it's better than I do,

1367
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 5: I'll admit, but that's to me. The bottom line is

1368
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Speaker 5: if you're going to be any good, Like someone called

1369
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 5: in I think earlier in camp and said, if they

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Speaker 5: can just score two or three times a game, they

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Speaker 5: can win. No, you can't. You can't win scoring fourteen, seventeen,

1372
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Speaker 5: twenty one points every game. You can't win like that

1373
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 5: all the time. You can win games here and there

1374
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 5: like that. Yeah, you can go four and thirteen like that,

1375
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 5: but you're not going thirteen and four scoring two or

1376
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Speaker 5: three times.

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Speaker 2: I mean last year, you would have won two or

1378
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 2: three more games than you did. But again, you were

1379
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Speaker 2: a lot of those games where you kept a team

1380
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Speaker 2: under ten or less points. It's because they didn't have

1381
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 2: a quarterback that game, you know, like the Jets or

1382
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Speaker 2: well two of them will back up quarterbacks. Y, I'm

1383
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Speaker 2: not Cleveland.

1384
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Speaker 5: The Giants and the Colts, and the other one was

1385
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Speaker 5: the Chargers in the pouring rain. Right, and listen, that

1386
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 5: doesn't mean they didn't play good defense in those games.

1387
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Speaker 5: They did. They did play good defenses. They took bad

1388
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 5: quarterbacks and made them look bad.

1389
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Speaker 2: Right, but they only scored seven points.

1390
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Speaker 5: Right, They could have won those games and been the

1391
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Speaker 5: same team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you ask, and.

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Speaker 9: Just feel like you know, you said the good offenses.

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Speaker 9: So we're talking about Kansas City, Miami and you know Buffalo,

1395
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Speaker 9: like teams like that San Francisco, they have good stats

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Speaker 9: against everybody. They have good stats against everybody. And yeah,

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Speaker 9: maybe there's a game here and there where a team

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Speaker 9: has a really good game plan or just outplays them

1399
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Speaker 9: that day and their offense doesn't score thirty five. But

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Speaker 9: I just find me a defense in today's NFL that

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01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 9: consistently shuts down all the good offense, it doesn't exist.

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Speaker 2: And then in the fourth quarter when it gets crunched time,

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01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 2: nobody stops anybody. It just seems like, you know, yeah,

1404
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 2: last team with the ball.

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Speaker 10: It's just a bar that I feel like we need to.

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Speaker 3: And we are back.

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Speaker 16: After a quick hiatus, Teas and Chris back with the

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Speaker 16: PU halftime show. Guys Training Camp. Chris was a day six,

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Speaker 16: Day seven, Day six today, A quick quick debrief from

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Speaker 16: our point of view, what we've seen, what we're surprised by.

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Speaker 16: I'm gonna start first. It's first couple of days. It's

1436
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 16: been a little rusty, but the receivers, I think we

1437
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Speaker 16: got a bit of a position battle here. Baker have

1438
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Speaker 16: been the kind of hit the ground running, don't you

1439
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Speaker 16: think I do?

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Speaker 14: Yeah?

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Speaker 19: I mean Baker the last two prizes Day five, especially yesterday,

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Speaker 19: I mean he had the play the day went up,

1443
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 19: got one, brought it down there. The crowd was just unbelievable,

1444
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 19: loves it. They are eating up the rookies and Jalen Polk.

1445
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:12,439
Speaker 19: I mean every time he catches the pass, he runs

1446
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 19: at the end zone and he's waving to the crowds,

1447
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 19: come on, come on, and uh it just they're they're

1448
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Speaker 19: really enjoying the environment. I think it's a whole different

1449
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 19: world for them, really, so I think it goes a

1450
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 19: long way for them mentally and also has players.

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Speaker 16: It's a new energy. The vibes are new. But I

1452
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 16: hate to be that guy, but vibes don't always mean wins.

1453
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 16: So that we got the vibes going, but we got

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Speaker 16: see on field results.

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Speaker 3: Chris.

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Speaker 16: As i've been here, it's this training camp number six

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Speaker 16: for me, I think, and what number two for number

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01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 16: two for you. What I've learned is you don't really

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01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 16: know anything until those joint practices. I guess the preseason games,

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Speaker 16: but you know, the preseason games have changed so much.

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Speaker 3: I'm excity for the joint practices.

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Speaker 16: The offensive line has looked a little shaky to me,

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Speaker 16: and I feel like you can't really practice handoffs or

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01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 16: run the run game and training camp. So I'm really

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Speaker 16: just waiting for August their team to see how we

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Speaker 16: do against the Eagles.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll be a good one.

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Speaker 19: I mean, realistically, I think that'll be a great competition

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01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 19: for the old line. But the on line had an

1470
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Speaker 19: okay day yesterday. Obviously David Andrews was out for certain reasons.

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Speaker 19: But they're trying to find their find their find their

1472
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 19: roles there and trying to see where they want to

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01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 19: fit their fit their guys like Calvin Anderson right now

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01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 19: at that right tackle, and I think, who's that guard yesterday?

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Speaker 3: Is it? I think it was so? I think I

1476
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 3: think it's so so it sounds right.

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Speaker 19: But the on line is looking pretty good. They open

1478
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 19: up some holes for Antonio and mare so we'll see

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01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 19: what happens. They're also good to see Antonio back out

1480
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 19: there off the pup list and uh kind of back healthy,

1481
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 19: physical is good.

1482
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 3: So what sucks about football? It's part of the game. Injuries.

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Speaker 16: There have been a lot bar more out unfortunately, and

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01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 16: definitely Pepper's is out for a little strange still is

1485
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 16: in back. We've seen Kendrick out there, but he's obviously

1486
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 16: not passing on the pup list. But you gotta use

1487
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Speaker 16: that next man up mentality, and so who's gonna step up?

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Speaker 3: Who has stepped up? As anybody else stood out, I.

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Speaker 19: Would say what, this is gonna be a crazy comment,

1490
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 19: but Jalen raiders really showing out for me in camp.

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01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 19: I mean he's created separation with defensive backs. He had

1492
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 19: an O kDa yesterday I think it was day one

1493
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Speaker 19: of camp. He just decided he was gonna be wide

1494
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Speaker 19: receiver one and.

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Speaker 3: That's what you need.

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Speaker 16: Though said, there's a position battle, and I do that guy,

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Speaker 16: But right now, nobody truly is sticking out. They're really

1498
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 16: just like you know, I put them all equals. So

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Speaker 16: it's really just an even race for who's gonna make

1500
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Speaker 16: that spot, and it's openly got Thornton's for year number three.

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Speaker 3: I believe Rager just is coming back.

1502
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Speaker 7: So Thorn Thorn has something to prove.

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Speaker 10: He had a good day yesterday.

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Speaker 19: I think he knows, he knows that he's on the

1505
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:43,440
Speaker 19: fringe right now and he has to he has to

1506
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:47,919
Speaker 19: prove himself, especially in a very competitive wide receiver room. Again,

1507
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Speaker 19: I think we already mentioned him, but Jayvon and Jalen

1508
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 19: are just kind of carrying the the rookie weight right.

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01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 3: Now and Folk well to yep, yep, well that's what

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Speaker 3: Jayalen James, there you go.

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Speaker 16: Hey, we got Jayleen Hawkins in the back to Chris,

1512
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 16: we gotta talk about this too. The quarterbacks, Yep, Drake May. Drake,

1513
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 16: you give him through six days? Give a letter grade.

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01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 7: Through six days?

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01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 19: Well, let's stay six right now, but through five five days,

1516
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 19: through five I would give him probably be at the moment,

1517
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 19: I mean he needs I think he needs a little

1518
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 19: more time with the ones. He's been working with the

1519
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 19: twos for a little while. Now we'll see what kind

1520
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 19: of happens there.

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01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 7: But I think.

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01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 19: Jacoby also, he's had a pretty good camp so far.

1523
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 19: Yesterday it was his best day by far confidence wise.

1524
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 19: He also looked excited. He was making great throws, especially

1525
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 19: through the middle in tight coverages. So good day for

1526
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 19: Jacoby there. I think they have a good competition on

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01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 19: their hands quarterback right now.

1528
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 16: So so what I will say about the preseason games,

1529
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 16: I hate them, but I'm excited for Drake May. For example,

1530
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 16: last year CJ. Stroud and the Texans came to town.

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01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:52,440
Speaker 3: CJ.

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01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 16: Stroud looked awful, like there's no way this guy's gonna

1533
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 16: be offensive rookie. It was Moe cunning In, and so

1534
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 16: I think that's the one playercided to see how much

1535
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 16: they let him do in the preseason game, but strap

1536
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 16: up when he gets hit some pressure.

1537
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 19: So it'll be entertaining for sure. I think that'll be

1538
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 19: week one preseason is gonna be a big day for

1539
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 19: Drake May and quite frankly, I mean we talk about

1540
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 19: the guys over the top, like the one and two

1541
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 19: were talking about three and four, Billy's happy and Joe Milton.

1542
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 16: Yeah, so Chris, we got let's I kind of break

1543
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:23,760
Speaker 16: training camp up in the sessions that we're partway through

1544
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 16: session two.

1545
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 3: Who think is gonna step up for the end of

1546
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 3: session two?

1547
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 19: The end of session two, I mean, Jayvon is making

1548
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 19: a really really big push your VP of this. I

1549
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:35,519
Speaker 19: would say so as of right now, between the first

1550
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 19: two days, I mean Sunday and Monday, it was just

1551
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:39,720
Speaker 19: all Javon.

1552
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 3: Love it though I agree with you.

1553
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 16: All right, guys, back again Pe halftime show. We'll be

1554
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 16: back more of the season coming up. Decided to be

1555
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:49,640
Speaker 16: back footballs finally here, let's get back to Patriots Unfiltered.

1556
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:54,720
Speaker 4: When someone accidentally threw away the school play costumes, oh No,

1557
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:58,559
Speaker 4: replacements were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of delivery,

1558
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 4: everyone could focus on the perfect opening night FedEx where

1559
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 4: now it's next for residential delivery only.

1560
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 7: And now great moments in.

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01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:11,599
Speaker 3: History.

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01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 2: Interesting. I want to check out this collar on the

1563
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 2: at hotline. Roger, Oh, I thought you were going with

1564
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 2: sweet Rogers and Foxborough. What's up, Roger?

1565
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 17: Are you guys done?

1566
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 2: It's Andy Hart.

1567
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 3: We haven't heard from you since the preseason.

1568
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:33,760
Speaker 8: We're just about to talk about fullback stances.

1569
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 2: We didn't Yeah, three point stances where you know.

1570
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:38,759
Speaker 5: Did you take a wide stance with Bill yesterday?

1571
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 2: Talk?

1572
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 12: You know that's my take, a little.

1573
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 5: Wide stance with Bill though, Yeah, I imagine.

1574
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 2: Unfortunately that's the best question you asked.

1575
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 1: That's another great moment from hardly great.

1576
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 5: Anyway, we're back when he called in and I didn't

1577
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 5: know he got me and it was clearly him. Oh,

1578
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 5: just like that, it wasn't disguised, and you started to

1579
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 5: you started to like make fun of me, and I.

1580
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 2: Started talking with them. Paul started arguing with him. All right,

1581
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 2: A five five past five hundred is the ace ticket

1582
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:18,799
Speaker 2: houtline web radio at pages dot com is the email address.

1583
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 2: Emails are coming in fast and furious, paulse appreciate. First

1584
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 2: of all, I just want to thank our listeners and

1585
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 2: our viewers. No matter what time we do this show,

1586
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 2: you're here. I really appreciate it. I do, I really do.

1587
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 5: I think it's a testament to our drawing power.

1588
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 2: Well, according to Mason, you're right. He says two questions

1589
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 2: for you beasts, and I bring this up because it's

1590
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 2: related to one of them. I was sitting I was

1591
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 2: sitting at work trying to listen to anything training, can't

1592
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:53,600
Speaker 2: relate it, and regretfully decided that EEI live stream was

1593
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:55,599
Speaker 2: a good way to do that. And God was at

1594
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 2: a miserable experience. Just three minutes of grown men complaining

1595
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 2: to skies as thoughtful insights, followed by a ten minute

1596
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 2: break and then the cycle repeats. And just brought it

1597
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 2: up to say, you are, without a doubt, the best

1598
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 2: podcast for anything Patriots related and genuinely one of my

1599
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 2: favorite out there. Brings me to my first question, why

1600
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 2: are these dweebs live streaming from practice and you guys aren't.

1601
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 2: And my actual question, I went to middle in high

1602
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 2: school with Steel Chambers, was wondering if you've seen anything

1603
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 2: of note there.

1604
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:32,720
Speaker 8: Some mop up linebacker time. I mean, he's bottom of

1605
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 8: the depth chart right now. Someone a little bit out

1606
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 8: there in the opportunity reps at the bottom. But at

1607
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 8: the end of the crime, we did do the first

1608
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:38,959
Speaker 8: four days live.

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01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:42,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, so everything is video now. If it was just

1610
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 2: audio would be a different thing. But as you even

1611
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 2: the first four that we did, you know that we

1612
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 2: have to turn the cameras off at a certain point,

1613
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 2: and I just don't think the value is there to

1614
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:55,639
Speaker 2: do it every day. You know, we really can't say

1615
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 2: everything that we're seeing. We're not allowed to talk about

1616
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:01,759
Speaker 2: formations and position grouping and things like that. It's better

1617
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 2: to let these guys focus on practice, really absorb what's

1618
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 2: going on, and then come in afterwards and talk about

1619
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:11,760
Speaker 2: what happens. So we do it on this show. We

1620
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 2: do it with the Training Camp podcast, So like, if

1621
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 2: you're looking for what happened at camp, you're gonna get it.

1622
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 2: You're gonna get it on like I said, this show

1623
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 2: and the Training Camp Podcast, which we do after every

1624
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 2: every practice. So I'm good with the way we do it.

1625
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 2: We will be live again though for the joint practice

1626
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 2: with the Eagles, so we'll be live with thee yeah,

1627
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 2: because that's a little bit different kind of a tent

1628
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 2: pole it event if you will, along with the first

1629
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:43,759
Speaker 2: four days of practice. But you know, as you know Mason,

1630
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:47,799
Speaker 2: you get it all. We give everything we see after

1631
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 2: each practice, So I'm good with the way we do it.

1632
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:52,720
Speaker 8: I mean, I would just say I think that this

1633
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:55,040
Speaker 8: is better for the coverage wise, I mean, and it's

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01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 8: I mean, it's kind of probably interesting to people that

1635
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 8: like we don't like less. We're gonna sit like me

1636
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 8: and Evan are near each other. We don't talking during practice.

1637
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 8: Paul's down below, you know, And it's almost a good

1638
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 8: way to go because now we come in here and

1639
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 8: we can kind of share the overarching picture rather than

1640
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 8: it's happening live. We're trying to interpret it. You kind

1641
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:13,639
Speaker 8: of miss the big picture. I mean, the podcast helps,

1642
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:15,800
Speaker 8: but I just feel like from a coverage standpoint, I'm

1643
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 8: able to watch so much more, and we're all watching

1644
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:20,720
Speaker 8: different things, so we're all bringing separate things rather than

1645
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 8: we're talking about the same thing. And you know, it's

1646
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 8: just I get why people want it live, but I

1647
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:24,959
Speaker 8: do think there's gonna.

1648
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 5: Make a confession when I don't watch practice with you two.

1649
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 5: And then when we come together afterwards, we usually wait

1650
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 5: for the players to come out and they talk, and

1651
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 5: the three of us will talk about.

1652
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:36,920
Speaker 2: Did you see this? Did you say?

1653
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:40,640
Speaker 5: I always feel better when I feel like Mike and

1654
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:42,800
Speaker 5: Evan saw most of the same things that I saw,

1655
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 5: or you know, like yesterday, I didn't really watch much

1656
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:46,720
Speaker 5: of the one on ones. Evan was telling me some

1657
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:48,800
Speaker 5: of the one on one offensive line stuff, but for

1658
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 5: the most part, everything else we kind of saw exactly

1659
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 5: the same. Now, I don't know if that's because we

1660
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:55,800
Speaker 5: spend so much time together and we kind of see

1661
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:58,599
Speaker 5: things the same, or like we watched it from three

1662
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:02,280
Speaker 5: completely different vantage Bowling's and cameay with the same impressions.

1663
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 5: My confession would be, it makes me feel better when

1664
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 5: you guys see the same.

1665
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 2: Stuff valid like, you know, am I just seeing this?

1666
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:13,639
Speaker 5: Or do two people make too much of like Drake

1667
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 5: may yesterday? Am I making too much of this?

1668
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 7: Well?

1669
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 5: You know, we all kind of got the same impression.

1670
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 8: But there are certain people who are watching that practice

1671
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:21,599
Speaker 8: that would have that have seen a completely different practice

1672
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 8: than the three of us have seen.

1673
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 5: Which is why I feel better when we see it

1674
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 5: the same even when we're not together.

1675
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:30,560
Speaker 2: And again, I stress this, I think it's our obligation

1676
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 2: responsibility to really tell our fans what we think is

1677
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 2: going on, you know, without a filter, without a filter. Yeah,

1678
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 2: we want no I mean, we want the team to win.

1679
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:46,680
Speaker 2: It's better for our jobs if the Patriots win. And

1680
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 2: we're hoping they win, and we're hoping Drake May is

1681
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 2: the guy, and we're hoping, hoping, hoping for all these

1682
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 2: good things. But we have to be honest. We have

1683
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 2: to be honest, like about you know, it's not going

1684
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 2: too well to okay, not that we think that it's

1685
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:05,600
Speaker 2: never going to go well again or you know, taking it.

1686
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 5: And I think that's what happens is when when people

1687
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:11,679
Speaker 5: we like it's a daily snapshot, and when people are

1688
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 5: talking about it, like the Globes headline today really got

1689
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 5: under the skin of no socks, right. It was like

1690
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:21,800
Speaker 5: signs that it's coming apart in Foxborough or something like

1691
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 5: that one day, but it was a snapshot of that day.

1692
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 5: Like I didn't think there was really anything wrong with it.

1693
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 5: That was what happened yesterday. Like if the snapshot is

1694
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:35,559
Speaker 5: now it's irreparably damaged in Foxboro, that's different. That's we

1695
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:37,599
Speaker 5: don't know what's gonna happens, the same thing.

1696
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 2: It's coming apart. Well, that's not inaccurate. Its signs that

1697
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:44,599
Speaker 2: it was a bad day. Okay, but that's a lot

1698
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 2: different than it's coming apart. Because when it comes apart,

1699
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:50,559
Speaker 2: then you have to be you have to repair it

1700
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:51,719
Speaker 2: over time correct.

1701
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:53,680
Speaker 5: And that's why I said, if if you say it's

1702
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 5: irreparably damaged, then I would say that's taking it too far.

1703
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:00,080
Speaker 5: Like I think Gerd Mayo could handle this thing with

1704
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 5: with Matthew Judon really well and we'd all say, Wow,

1705
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 5: I really like what Gerard did there. And I think

1706
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 5: the team came together. It wasn't a rep' be damaged.

1707
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 5: He handled it well. It's a crisis, but I got

1708
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 5: to deal with it. It's the first time to deal

1709
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:13,560
Speaker 5: with this.

1710
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:16,719
Speaker 2: But I saw somebody with a blue checks has Has

1711
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:18,559
Speaker 2: Gerard Mayo lost the locker room?

1712
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 10: I hope that was a jew.

1713
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 2: I mean, like, so two guys are disgruntled right now,

1714
01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 2: what about all the guys that are pleased as punch

1715
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:29,960
Speaker 2: because they just got extended.

1716
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:31,560
Speaker 5: Or that's the problem. This is what Bill used to

1717
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 5: always argue against. But I think Bill was and I

1718
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 5: think Bill was wrong, But Bill, Bill was wrong. He

1719
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 5: he you know why, because it's the head coach's job

1720
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:44,760
Speaker 5: to make sure that people understand the message. No, not

1721
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:47,760
Speaker 5: everybody gets it right, And this is why he got it.

1722
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:48,800
Speaker 2: This is why he got it.

1723
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:51,759
Speaker 5: This is why you didn't like. That's the head coach's

1724
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 5: job to be in charge. And that's why I think,

1725
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:57,640
Speaker 5: you know now Bill's way around that was no one

1726
01:16:57,720 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 5: got us, and I don't think that was the way

1727
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 5: to do it. This is the opposite. They were able

1728
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 5: to extend and re sign a lot of guys and

1729
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 5: they chose not so far to do too. But part

1730
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:11,640
Speaker 5: of the you know, part of the trick is, like

1731
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 5: I always say, with baseball gms at this time of year,

1732
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 5: with the trade deadline, identify that the prospects that aren't

1733
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 5: going to be great players and trade them for guys

1734
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:21,760
Speaker 5: that you think are going to be great players. That's

1735
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:24,599
Speaker 5: the hard part, identifying who gets it and who doesn't

1736
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 5: and being right is the hard part.

1737
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 2: It is, and you know it's but it is a business,

1738
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 2: and not everyone's going to be happy. Uh. But because

1739
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 2: two guys are disgruntled doesn't mean he's lost the locker round. No,

1740
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:42,360
Speaker 2: that's so, I mean, come on, Blue check my hysterics.

1741
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 9: In their defense too, I actually kind of agree with

1742
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 9: the hard line that they're drawing with some of the

1743
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 9: older players on the.

1744
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:49,720
Speaker 5: Roster, and it's it's I'm absolutely on board with it.

1745
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:51,720
Speaker 9: It's a tough pill to swallow, but you look at

1746
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:54,639
Speaker 9: the extensions that they did hand out. It was bar More,

1747
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:57,599
Speaker 9: it was remondro Stevenson, it was guys that are going

1748
01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:00,760
Speaker 9: into their second contracts, maybe a few we're going into

1749
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 9: third contracts, but still on the right side of thirty.

1750
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:05,640
Speaker 9: Whereas you know, Gotcha's going to be thirty this year,

1751
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:08,519
Speaker 9: Judan's going to be thirty two. And they're drawing the

1752
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:10,760
Speaker 9: line at age like that seems to be where they're

1753
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 9: at is, yeah, we're gonna pay the guys that we

1754
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 9: feel like a Jabriel Peppers, you know, he's twenty eight

1755
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 9: years old, that have a couple of years that we

1756
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 9: feel like in their prime that they still have.

1757
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 2: Left, you know, God forbid. Maybe they realize this isn't

1758
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:26,920
Speaker 2: gonna be the year. You know, if we were close

1759
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 2: we give Judan the boat with the bag, you know,

1760
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 2: but maybe a boat or the bag the boatload, I

1761
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 2: was thinking, But maybe they realize, yeah, this is a

1762
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 2: building year, this is a year to be patient. This

1763
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:42,680
Speaker 2: is a year. If we're gonna sign people, we know

1764
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 2: they're gonna be here for a few years. Judon's not

1765
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 2: that guy. Maybe that could be what they're thinking, and

1766
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:51,680
Speaker 2: it's too bad for met Judan. I don't blame him.

1767
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 2: I don't blame him at it.

1768
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:55,600
Speaker 5: I think there's gotta be a compromise that can be

1769
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:57,680
Speaker 5: reached there where you give him some more money to

1770
01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 5: satisfy him in the short term. Just understand that, you know, Matthew,

1771
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:03,640
Speaker 5: you're probably not going to be a part of our

1772
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:04,599
Speaker 5: next really good team.

1773
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:06,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I double him up. I double what he's making

1774
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:10,680
Speaker 2: this year. I'd give him fourteen to fifteen million, you know.

1775
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:11,160
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1776
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 5: I mean, but nobody wants to go into twenty twenty five, right,

1777
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 5: Like that's I do not want to go into twenty

1778
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 5: five with either one of those guys. Now the other

1779
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:22,839
Speaker 5: guy is going to, I think get interesting with Barbore situation.

1780
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 5: Does that I mean, I know they're different kinds of players,

1781
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:27,800
Speaker 5: but and he's still in early lie does that make

1782
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:31,720
Speaker 5: him more important? Godsha talking about does that make him

1783
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 5: more important? And when you look at actual do you

1784
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 5: need a like yes, like a guy that you know that.

1785
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 2: You can rely on can you get some blood cloths

1786
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:41,680
Speaker 2: for me?

1787
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 5: So just a joke, Gallows humor, Armarin Watts like, yep,

1788
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 5: is he good enough to be like Lawrence guy? So

1789
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:53,479
Speaker 5: you have him and gotcha and you could probably get

1790
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:53,920
Speaker 5: by there.

1791
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1792
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 8: But still you're looking at him and Dietrich wise as as.

1793
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 8: I mean, you throw in the mix, but those two

1794
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 8: are all that's left, you know, like those are the

1795
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 8: only guys who are experienced.

1796
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 5: We've seen a lot of Daniel o'qualay. I don't like

1797
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 5: the idea of him playing it.

1798
01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:08,880
Speaker 7: I mean, he's been kind of a journey in. I

1799
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:11,560
Speaker 7: mean he was like, you know what, the fifth off defensive.

1800
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 2: This is why you need Bill because he would be like,

1801
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:16,680
Speaker 2: all right, we're gonna we need to change things up.

1802
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,680
Speaker 2: We don't have that guy in the middle that is

1803
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:22,759
Speaker 2: going to be that disruptive, that's gonna draw two people

1804
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 2: almost on every play. So we're gonna have to be

1805
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:26,080
Speaker 2: a little creative here.

1806
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:29,599
Speaker 8: I mean, I just I'm imagining last year's past Rush

1807
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 8: without Barmore. I mean, that's what that's what you're looking

1808
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 8: at right now.

1809
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:37,160
Speaker 2: It's not how many times when Evan when we're looking

1810
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:40,000
Speaker 2: through those binoculars the two men on Barmore and he's

1811
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:40,920
Speaker 2: still pushing him.

1812
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 5: Back like evidently was only in road games because it

1813
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 5: was just their little game.

1814
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 2: You know, in this studio, where are.

1815
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:49,519
Speaker 7: We gonna watch it?

1816
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:53,120
Speaker 2: Watch it from from the day, let's see. Barry writes

1817
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:55,559
Speaker 2: in I've been trying. I've been hearing about the edge

1818
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 2: player Jimenez doing well. Uh if he is a dude,

1819
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:02,679
Speaker 2: then I think our past rush will still be there

1820
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:06,360
Speaker 2: as long as Judon stays and is healthy. In either

1821
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 2: Jimenez or Watts or quality steps up with Barmore. With

1822
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:15,320
Speaker 2: the Barmore absence, it won't be as good, but it doesn't.

1823
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean.

1824
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 2: Covington and Mayo are gonna have to be creative with

1825
01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:23,880
Speaker 2: the front seven. I'm optimistic if it comes down to this,

1826
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:27,000
Speaker 2: they can dial up pressures without giving up much on

1827
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:30,240
Speaker 2: the back end with our great corner and safety depth.

1828
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:34,240
Speaker 5: You know, great corner depth. Where where's the great corner Depthez?

1829
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:37,000
Speaker 7: I got two two guys.

1830
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:40,040
Speaker 10: I like their corners. I don't know if it is like.

1831
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 5: The starters, but where's the great depth?

1832
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:44,439
Speaker 2: Well?

1833
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 9: I feel like we know at this point that Marcus

1834
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 9: Jones and Alex Austin can play in the league.

1835
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 10: Are they number one corners?

1836
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:54,120
Speaker 5: No, I'm counting Marcus Jones is a starter, which might

1837
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:56,840
Speaker 5: be wrong on my part, but like Alex Austin is,

1838
01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:58,040
Speaker 5: like that's great depth.

1839
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:01,120
Speaker 9: I think you saw last year down the street. Mean,

1840
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:03,679
Speaker 9: is your fourth cornerback? Like as a guy that's gonna

1841
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 9: display situation.

1842
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 5: Like I think you need three. So if one guy

1843
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 5: gets hurt, you're you're okay. With Alex Austin, I'm not.

1844
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:13,120
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that we go four deep in their

1845
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:14,320
Speaker 2: corner back room, you know.

1846
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:17,519
Speaker 5: With while talking about the other teams, I would say

1847
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 5: that anybody that goes far deep has good cornerback death. Yeah, yeah,

1848
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:23,720
Speaker 5: So I don't think they the Patriots would fall into

1849
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:27,560
Speaker 5: that category. And I'm sorry, Like, how do you pronounce it?

1850
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:28,680
Speaker 4: Him?

1851
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:29,839
Speaker 2: And it's a hymene.

1852
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 5: There's been six practices. I saw him once he came

1853
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:35,719
Speaker 5: off the edge and had a sack. Yesterday, I noticed

1854
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:36,600
Speaker 5: him once he.

1855
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 10: Had where is this yesterday?

1856
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:39,000
Speaker 5: Where is this? Like?

1857
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 2: If he's a dude, somebody must have wrote something that

1858
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 2: people are reading.

1859
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:45,519
Speaker 10: I mean, I wrote a little bit in the in

1860
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:47,360
Speaker 10: the Trench Report that you can read about it.

1861
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:49,759
Speaker 5: I know a play he came off the edge off

1862
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:51,639
Speaker 5: the left side, I can see it in my mind's

1863
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:54,720
Speaker 5: eye and he got right around the corner and had

1864
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:55,479
Speaker 5: an easy sack.

1865
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:58,439
Speaker 9: Yeah, he had, you know, another one that was just

1866
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:00,800
Speaker 9: an unblocked on a scheme rush type thing and then

1867
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 9: he was okay and the one on ones.

1868
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:03,559
Speaker 10: But is he a dude?

1869
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 9: No, I would say maybe he's a guy, like you know,

1870
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:08,639
Speaker 9: he could be someone that could be on the team,

1871
01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:10,800
Speaker 9: but he's certainly not a dude.

1872
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 5: Like I just look at the team as being paper

1873
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 5: thin to start with, and you're taking two of their

1874
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:20,880
Speaker 5: best players and possibly and I don't want to be

1875
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:23,519
Speaker 5: an alarmist, but Barmore is probably not going to be

1876
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:25,840
Speaker 5: part of the pitcher and who knows what's gonna happen

1877
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 5: with judon. Two of their best players you take, and

1878
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 5: it's just like, I'm not worried about it. We can

1879
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:33,120
Speaker 5: scheme it up and we can do that, Like I'd

1880
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:35,920
Speaker 5: be definitely afraid of it, Like I wouldn't just be worried.

1881
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:38,280
Speaker 2: But when you talked about why the Patriots are going

1882
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 2: to be at least as good as they were defensively

1883
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:46,360
Speaker 2: last year in the conversation was Barmore and Judon's coming back,

1884
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:47,000
Speaker 2: and you didn't have.

1885
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:49,920
Speaker 5: It on Gonzalez coming back. Now it's only Gonzalez coming.

1886
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:52,559
Speaker 2: Back, right, It's a big one.

1887
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:55,240
Speaker 5: And as much as I like yesterday, and I'm not

1888
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:57,520
Speaker 5: going to be a fraud because I really like Gonzales

1889
01:23:57,560 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 5: and I am on, I am in on Gonzales, But

1890
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 5: as much as I like him, he played four games, Like,

1891
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 5: I don't know that he is, Like I know, I

1892
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:08,960
Speaker 5: think he is too friends.

1893
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 2: You can just tell us the fluidity.

1894
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:14,000
Speaker 5: A lot of completely.

1895
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:15,519
Speaker 2: Guy.

1896
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:20,040
Speaker 5: But I think he's pretty good hips. But like, does

1897
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 5: that mean I'm right?

1898
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 7: What if he's not.

1899
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 5: In his prime? We got trouble and if they got

1900
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 5: I think everybody's just that's a foregone conclusion.

1901
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:31,880
Speaker 9: I'm like a little worried about Deuce being at the

1902
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:34,080
Speaker 9: red level going forward. We might need to put him

1903
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:38,640
Speaker 9: on the ground because there is that what's happening. I

1904
01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 9: can tell him just what's happening and watching him that

1905
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 9: he's very worried.

1906
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:44,840
Speaker 8: It's you're talking about the two guys that like the

1907
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:46,479
Speaker 8: Actually it's a bit of a house of cards, to

1908
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 8: be honest with you.

1909
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:49,680
Speaker 5: Defensively, I think you're you're enabling me right now, you're

1910
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:51,479
Speaker 5: pushing me down the ledge. But you I mean, I

1911
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 5: don't think there's a ton of I don't think there's

1912
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:55,599
Speaker 5: a ton of talent to begin with. I don't think

1913
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:57,920
Speaker 5: there's a ton of depth because obviously, if your frontline

1914
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:00,599
Speaker 5: players aren't all that good, you don't have behind them

1915
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 5: that are any better. Yeah, I mean, you get a

1916
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 5: couple of well placed injuries.

1917
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:09,280
Speaker 8: And I mean you remember like twenty nine, twenty ten

1918
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 8: around here, when it was like there were no edge

1919
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:15,559
Speaker 8: guys coming MgO, getting like Derek Burgess off the scrap heap.

1920
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:18,719
Speaker 8: You're bringing back Tully Banta Cane, you know, like you're desperate,

1921
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:21,040
Speaker 8: And those are some of the worst defenses that we

1922
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:23,200
Speaker 8: saw in here in the last twenty years. So you know,

1923
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 8: it's if I was true to myself, I would say

1924
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:29,080
Speaker 8: I'd much rather have two dudes at pass rusher than

1925
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:32,200
Speaker 8: two dudes at cornerback, you know. And that's I don't know,

1926
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:36,320
Speaker 8: it's a defensive philosophy thing. It's it's Bill Belichick control

1927
01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:38,760
Speaker 8: the line of scrimmage, and well we can plug you know,

1928
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:40,920
Speaker 8: the Randall gaze of the world back there, and they'll

1929
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:43,640
Speaker 8: be okay, but I don't nobody could cover forever. And

1930
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:46,840
Speaker 8: if you're just not disruptive up front, it's it's just

1931
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:49,599
Speaker 8: it's hard to see. And there is the run defense

1932
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 8: going to be as good as it was last year

1933
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:54,200
Speaker 8: where at least third and longer, right, because you were

1934
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:56,760
Speaker 8: successful on first down, So you're not in these you know,

1935
01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:59,559
Speaker 8: situations where there's no win for the defense because it's

1936
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:01,840
Speaker 8: the do whatever they want. So I it's a real

1937
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:03,720
Speaker 8: good amount of Yeah, worried about you.

1938
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:05,360
Speaker 5: You get me worried about him now I have to

1939
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:07,000
Speaker 5: see you guys force me to worry about a lot

1940
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 5: of things.

1941
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:10,120
Speaker 2: Nick and Riley writes in before training camp, all the

1942
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:13,920
Speaker 2: talk was Drake May's footwork. Did you guys see improvement

1943
01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:15,760
Speaker 2: over the past few days?

1944
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:17,680
Speaker 9: I don't know, I don't know what I'm maybe a

1945
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:20,479
Speaker 9: little bit yeah, I mean, I don't know. I feel

1946
01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:23,519
Speaker 9: like we're we're nitpicking a lot of things with Drake

1947
01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 9: May right now. So I want to tread a little

1948
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:29,240
Speaker 9: bit lightly with tearing him completely apart. But he does

1949
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:31,200
Speaker 9: look a little off balanced to me at times with

1950
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 9: his feet and a little bit of a wide base.

1951
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:35,240
Speaker 10: But it's that to me is.

1952
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:37,200
Speaker 2: Now the footwork isn't the issue.

1953
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:39,880
Speaker 8: No, No, it's learning the offense and that's you know,

1954
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:42,879
Speaker 8: getting in time. And I think all those things are connected.

1955
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:44,720
Speaker 8: It's not, you know, so simple that they're just like, well,

1956
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:47,080
Speaker 8: let's just go work on footwork drills, like that's fine,

1957
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:49,639
Speaker 8: they'll do that. But the bigger problem is knowing where

1958
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:50,680
Speaker 8: to go. I mean, you know, we go back to

1959
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 8: the McDaniels thing that we did with with with Paul.

1960
01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:55,720
Speaker 8: You know, just so much of it was done pre

1961
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:57,760
Speaker 8: snap where his feet were going to be set. You know,

1962
01:26:57,840 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 8: he knows where he's going with the ball. He knows

1963
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:01,880
Speaker 8: exactly you know, how he wants to set things up.

1964
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:03,280
Speaker 7: So it's it's all connected.

1965
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:06,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, I would say that, you know, maybe like get

1966
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:09,320
Speaker 9: him on the jump rope maybe, like his feet are

1967
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:10,080
Speaker 9: a little heavy.

1968
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:13,360
Speaker 10: And he's at such a good athlete.

1969
01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:16,040
Speaker 9: Yeah, like he's a runner, but I don't know if

1970
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:19,840
Speaker 9: he's got that the agility like dance around the pocket

1971
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:22,680
Speaker 9: thing quite yet. But like I said, I don't want

1972
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:25,200
Speaker 9: to completely tear him down. But you know, I if

1973
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 9: he was on time, if he was playing in rhythm,

1974
01:27:27,479 --> 01:27:29,120
Speaker 9: then I think his feet would look better. You know,

1975
01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:30,960
Speaker 9: when you're out of rhythm, your feet are out of whack,

1976
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:33,240
Speaker 9: and that's when the whole thing goes Dorian.

1977
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:35,960
Speaker 2: Wrights In seems like Booty is having a solid camp

1978
01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:38,800
Speaker 2: and the legal issues are resolved. Are you guys more

1979
01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:42,880
Speaker 2: impressed by him or Rager? Also? Has Baker made enough

1980
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:46,680
Speaker 2: splash plays to put pressure on potentially being in that

1981
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:50,519
Speaker 2: starting X receiver role. Not yet.

1982
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:50,920
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1983
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:53,439
Speaker 8: I mean, he's making some plays, but I wouldn't consider

1984
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:55,040
Speaker 8: him like making a push.

1985
01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:57,200
Speaker 10: I just don't know.

1986
01:27:57,760 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 9: I just don't know who receiver you're playing over him

1987
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:04,240
Speaker 9: at this point. Like at kJ Osborne probably, and I

1988
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:06,240
Speaker 9: would think they know Osborne is gonna be in the mix,

1989
01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:10,080
Speaker 9: but Javon Baker, Jalen Pop Douglas like that. By the

1990
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:12,640
Speaker 9: time the season's over, you hope that those are the

1991
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 9: three guys that are getting in the bulk of the

1992
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 9: snatch because they've earned it, not just because you're throwing

1993
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:18,240
Speaker 9: him out there, but because they've earned it. And I

1994
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 9: think so far in practice here on track for that.

1995
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:23,600
Speaker 9: But just like all the things with Drake, may it

1996
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 9: might not happen overnight like it's It could be a

1997
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 9: little bit, but I in terms of what we're seeing

1998
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:32,760
Speaker 9: I would say that those three guys are are on

1999
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:35,720
Speaker 9: track right now to finish the year as their top

2000
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:38,920
Speaker 9: three receivers, but it probably will start with Osborne. You know,

2001
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:41,280
Speaker 9: Bourne's healthy, Kendrick Bourne, you know those guys.

2002
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:45,080
Speaker 5: Bourne might be the guy. You know, but yeah, I

2003
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:47,080
Speaker 5: would look at Baker and say, I don't think he's

2004
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:49,720
Speaker 5: ready for that kind of a role. But Evan's right,

2005
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:52,000
Speaker 5: I don't know who I would say is the guy

2006
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:55,160
Speaker 5: because Bourne hasn't been able to practice. He does, you know.

2007
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:57,920
Speaker 5: He was out there again today with his uniform on,

2008
01:28:58,040 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 5: not in pads. But I would think that that means

2009
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:03,920
Speaker 5: that he's getting closer and closer, and I think pup

2010
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:07,719
Speaker 5: to start the season is probably off the table based

2011
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:09,240
Speaker 5: on the amount that we've seen him. I mean, I

2012
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 5: might be reading too much into that. Yeah, he would

2013
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:13,960
Speaker 5: be the guy that I would have, you know, for that,

2014
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 5: because I don't know. I thought today is in particular,

2015
01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:20,719
Speaker 5: Baker struggled. He looked like he was kind of tired today.

2016
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 5: I thought, dude, remember a couple of those deep balls

2017
01:29:23,880 --> 01:29:25,599
Speaker 5: that he ran under and he showed this like sort

2018
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:28,320
Speaker 5: of explosiveness to get the ball. He didn't have that

2019
01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:30,960
Speaker 5: gear today. There was one, there was a one on

2020
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:35,160
Speaker 5: one late down the on the on the right field,

2021
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:38,400
Speaker 5: down the down the left sideline, and the ball.

2022
01:29:38,360 --> 01:29:38,840
Speaker 2: Was in the air.

2023
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:41,960
Speaker 5: He was sort of stride for stride with the defensive

2024
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 5: back and I was expecting him to separate and he

2025
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:47,160
Speaker 5: never did. H and I talked about that crossing route

2026
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:50,639
Speaker 5: in team play eleven on eleven where it just looked

2027
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:54,000
Speaker 5: like he kind of throttled down and couldn't. I thought,

2028
01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:55,920
Speaker 5: may put the ball in a catchable spot and he

2029
01:29:55,960 --> 01:29:57,720
Speaker 5: didn't go and get it. Yeah, So I think he

2030
01:29:57,760 --> 01:29:59,240
Speaker 5: struggled a little bit today. I wonder if he's a

2031
01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:04,200
Speaker 5: little so feeling that kind of fight through those Day six.

2032
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:09,240
Speaker 9: Now for Drake too, a little bit, just their rookies,

2033
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:12,080
Speaker 9: it's their first training camp, first two days in full pass.

2034
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:15,160
Speaker 9: This is the part of the training camp, even for

2035
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:17,880
Speaker 9: us to an extent that it becomes a little bit

2036
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:20,720
Speaker 9: of a grind. Yeah, and yeah, I did kind of

2037
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:23,080
Speaker 9: notice that with some of the younger guys that maybe,

2038
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:25,200
Speaker 9: you know, even Kiden Wallace I thought was a little

2039
01:30:25,240 --> 01:30:27,640
Speaker 9: shaky today and yesterday I was really impressed. I was like, oh,

2040
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:30,600
Speaker 9: they might have something here yesterday and today, you know,

2041
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:33,360
Speaker 9: he's was a little bit rookie.

2042
01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:35,800
Speaker 8: I think with bigger too, it's like it's it's it's good.

2043
01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:38,639
Speaker 8: It's encouraging to see the quarterbacks understand his skill set

2044
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:40,000
Speaker 8: and be willing to kind of like, you know, the

2045
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:42,439
Speaker 8: the play with me today to end it, just to

2046
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:44,439
Speaker 8: toss it up to him. Like it just seems like

2047
01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:46,360
Speaker 8: they are like this guy can make some plays, you know,

2048
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:49,519
Speaker 8: and like that's one play, make it or not. May

2049
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:51,640
Speaker 8: chose us to chose to go to him. So and

2050
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:53,519
Speaker 8: I'd say similar with with Polk. You know, it's just

2051
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:56,880
Speaker 8: it's good to see these young receivers getting targets and like,

2052
01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:58,800
Speaker 8: you know, the quarterbacks aren't icing the mind. I just

2053
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:01,720
Speaker 8: I remember going so long with Taekwon stuff where'd be

2054
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:04,280
Speaker 8: like one catch every three days and you'd be like, oh, finally,

2055
01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:06,360
Speaker 8: you know, and it is and it's like Polk is

2056
01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:08,960
Speaker 8: just like you know, up or down, he is out

2057
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:11,799
Speaker 8: there and he's consistently you know, getting the getting targeted

2058
01:31:12,439 --> 01:31:13,960
Speaker 8: and that's you know, that's how you get better, you

2059
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:15,720
Speaker 8: know then, And and it's encouraging to them that the

2060
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:18,880
Speaker 8: quarterbacks are looking towards them and showing some trust and

2061
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:19,479
Speaker 8: that I think.

2062
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:21,320
Speaker 5: Again that's part of what we talked about earlier in

2063
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:24,160
Speaker 5: the show, Like they don't have quote unquote a starting

2064
01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:27,280
Speaker 5: set of receivers, so all of those guys are getting

2065
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:30,360
Speaker 5: all of the reps. So they're getting a ton of targets,

2066
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:33,040
Speaker 5: all of them. I mean, like it's not just Polk

2067
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:36,880
Speaker 5: and Baker, it's it's Rager, it's Booty, it's you know,

2068
01:31:37,320 --> 01:31:39,400
Speaker 5: Thornton had a couple of nice catches yesterday. He was

2069
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:43,599
Speaker 5: buya today. But you know, even I thought Juju Smith

2070
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:46,320
Speaker 5: Schuster was open a ton today. Had another horrific droum

2071
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:48,080
Speaker 5: near the sideline, did you.

2072
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:49,960
Speaker 2: Huh?

2073
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:51,240
Speaker 3: Did you?

2074
01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:53,800
Speaker 5: But but he had like three or four He had

2075
01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:59,000
Speaker 5: a nice touchdown catch rocket yeah from you know it

2076
01:31:59,160 --> 01:32:02,760
Speaker 5: was Milton, Milton right through it through him. But he

2077
01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:05,120
Speaker 5: was open today more than I've seen him open in

2078
01:32:05,200 --> 01:32:07,639
Speaker 5: the in the previous five days. Did he trip over

2079
01:32:07,680 --> 01:32:09,080
Speaker 5: a rock or something? He said after?

2080
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:10,400
Speaker 10: Did you see that's what.

2081
01:32:10,479 --> 01:32:12,960
Speaker 8: He told somebody? Yeah, yeah, I didn't hear it. I

2082
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:15,560
Speaker 8: gotta hear say if someone said bigger, would you just

2083
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:17,240
Speaker 8: said he tripped over a rock over there or something?

2084
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:17,559
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2085
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:22,200
Speaker 9: On the field, Yeah, the route that he ran on

2086
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:25,439
Speaker 9: the touchdown catch from from Milton today is like a glance,

2087
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 9: like a five step slant. That was probably the best

2088
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:29,240
Speaker 9: route I've seen him run all summer. Yeah, Like he

2089
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:32,240
Speaker 9: actually ran an explosive route and I was like, whoa,

2090
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:33,680
Speaker 9: I can put it right. Yeah, but he's one of

2091
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:36,559
Speaker 9: those guys that at this point of his career, it's

2092
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:37,920
Speaker 9: one in every ten routes.

2093
01:32:37,960 --> 01:32:40,040
Speaker 10: He's got that juice and that's just not.

2094
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:42,760
Speaker 5: He was open today though. I just I just can't

2095
01:32:42,840 --> 01:32:44,880
Speaker 5: understand how you can drop that pass that he did.

2096
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:46,160
Speaker 7: That was gross.

2097
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:47,560
Speaker 8: But I think just the hard thing though, is like

2098
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:49,439
Speaker 8: how do you how do you suss all this out?

2099
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:50,880
Speaker 8: Like where it's like one day you get a few

2100
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:52,200
Speaker 8: catches here, and you know, like.

2101
01:32:52,479 --> 01:32:55,000
Speaker 5: I'm just trying to make the point, like because they

2102
01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:59,160
Speaker 5: don't have frontline receivers, everybody's getting All those guys are

2103
01:32:59,160 --> 01:33:01,639
Speaker 5: playing with Brissette, all of those guys are playing with May,

2104
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:04,320
Speaker 5: all of those guys are playing with Milton or Zappi,

2105
01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:07,439
Speaker 5: whoever happens to get the third reps that day. And

2106
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:09,880
Speaker 5: then you see in a sprinkling of like eighty two

2107
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:11,800
Speaker 5: and eighty six, and you guys can do that on

2108
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:12,360
Speaker 5: your own time.

2109
01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:17,280
Speaker 9: Jakwan Jackson and Kavon Baker, that's who you're talking about.

2110
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:19,519
Speaker 5: Yeah them, Yeah, Quay.

2111
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:23,880
Speaker 2: Jeffrey and Canada writes in I'll preface this with I

2112
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:27,160
Speaker 2: know Patriots fans will spoil. I heard Fred's opening speech,

2113
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:29,320
Speaker 2: and you're right. My question is how long do we

2114
01:33:29,439 --> 01:33:32,439
Speaker 2: have to keep acknowledging with spoil before we can complain.

2115
01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:36,200
Speaker 2: But you can complain all you want. I'm just Fred.

2116
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:38,639
Speaker 5: You don't tell them how they can how they should feel.

2117
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:42,839
Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying the overreaction is what I'm worried about. Anyway,

2118
01:33:42,920 --> 01:33:46,160
Speaker 2: he says. My complaint what is being described to us

2119
01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:49,519
Speaker 2: by the media is a fifth straight season of below

2120
01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:52,519
Speaker 2: average offense in training camp, in a league full of

2121
01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:56,600
Speaker 2: constant player movement, a draft that is ordered worse to

2122
01:33:56,720 --> 01:34:00,720
Speaker 2: first and the third highest cap space going into the offseason.

2123
01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:04,760
Speaker 2: This seems almost impossible that we're not better. I do

2124
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:07,639
Speaker 2: have a question about Drake May. What do you think

2125
01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:11,120
Speaker 2: about making him making him develop with the second and

2126
01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:14,160
Speaker 2: third string players. Is this the best strategy for him

2127
01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:16,320
Speaker 2: to develop or would you like to see Drake May

2128
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:18,639
Speaker 2: take reps with the first team. That's what we talked

2129
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:21,320
Speaker 2: about earlier. It's like hold on like that it's just

2130
01:34:21,439 --> 01:34:21,960
Speaker 2: the old line.

2131
01:34:22,200 --> 01:34:26,080
Speaker 5: Like I just I just got finished explaining he's their

2132
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:29,360
Speaker 5: version of first string players he's been with, yeah, for receivers,

2133
01:34:29,439 --> 01:34:30,800
Speaker 5: for tight ends, for running backs.

2134
01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:34,439
Speaker 10: It's just he doesn't get a ton of Hunter Henry.

2135
01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 9: But that's not the big like I'm making a huge

2136
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:39,560
Speaker 9: deal out of that, but like his tight end is

2137
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:43,880
Speaker 9: usually Mitchell Willcox. Yeah, but it the big thing to

2138
01:34:43,960 --> 01:34:46,880
Speaker 9: me that to answer the question that I worry about

2139
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:50,479
Speaker 9: a little bit is that because he's behind this offensive

2140
01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:54,040
Speaker 9: line that's really not doing him any favors, you worry

2141
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:57,160
Speaker 9: about it, like frustrating him, and that's snowballing on him

2142
01:34:57,160 --> 01:34:59,559
Speaker 9: a little bit where you know, we talked so much

2143
01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:02,479
Speaker 9: about you know, getting rattled by the pressure last year

2144
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:05,800
Speaker 9: and getting sped up and that sort of thing. And

2145
01:35:06,120 --> 01:35:08,200
Speaker 9: even though you don't think of that in practice because

2146
01:35:08,200 --> 01:35:10,960
Speaker 9: he's not getting hit, you know, to the ground, you

2147
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:14,240
Speaker 9: do worry about it a little bit that like you know,

2148
01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:17,320
Speaker 9: when Mafi's snapping the ball on his shoelaces and then

2149
01:35:17,400 --> 01:35:19,080
Speaker 9: you know he's looking up and there's pressure in his

2150
01:35:19,160 --> 01:35:21,519
Speaker 9: face already, and then it's like, guys, like, what do

2151
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:22,800
Speaker 9: you want me to do with this? And you just

2152
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:24,360
Speaker 9: don't want that frustration to fester.

2153
01:35:24,960 --> 01:35:26,280
Speaker 7: The coaches, you know, they got to make sure they

2154
01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:26,799
Speaker 7: got to bed.

2155
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:29,439
Speaker 5: I think he'll get some more time to with with

2156
01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:31,120
Speaker 5: the first line as well.

2157
01:35:31,439 --> 01:35:34,719
Speaker 2: Jeffrey also says Jacoby feels like a nine and eight ceiling,

2158
01:35:35,560 --> 01:35:39,400
Speaker 2: and that's if everything goes that. That's if everything goes well.

2159
01:35:39,439 --> 01:35:42,479
Speaker 2: I'd rather just make May the starter and take our lumps.

2160
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:45,040
Speaker 2: Even if we're three and fourteen. It's actually better than

2161
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:45,559
Speaker 2: nine and eight.

2162
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:49,160
Speaker 5: I just I disagree strongly with that last that last sentence,

2163
01:35:49,240 --> 01:35:51,720
Speaker 5: but nine and eight would be wull qualify as something

2164
01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:53,439
Speaker 5: that Jacoby said has never done.

2165
01:35:53,760 --> 01:35:58,760
Speaker 2: But also, if May's not ready, he shouldn't play. If

2166
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:00,599
Speaker 2: he's not ready, if he had, if he's.

2167
01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:02,800
Speaker 9: Not significantly improved from where he's at right now, then

2168
01:36:02,880 --> 01:36:05,400
Speaker 9: he's not playing. Like it's not even a conversation. He's

2169
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:08,439
Speaker 9: not playing at this rate. There's no reason for him

2170
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:10,400
Speaker 9: to play. It's not even so much that I don't

2171
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:12,920
Speaker 9: think that he could maybe be a gamer. You know,

2172
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:14,519
Speaker 9: I can be a little bit better in the games

2173
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:18,000
Speaker 9: and in practice, But what's what's the rush? Like, why

2174
01:36:18,040 --> 01:36:20,800
Speaker 9: are you forcing him out there when he's clearly still

2175
01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:22,799
Speaker 9: trying to get a feel for some of the nuance.

2176
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:24,800
Speaker 2: Now, believe it or not, I still think in the

2177
01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:27,759
Speaker 2: next three weeks you're gonna see a big, big improvement.

2178
01:36:27,800 --> 01:36:30,720
Speaker 5: I wouldn't be surprising nice you find that you think

2179
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:32,320
Speaker 5: that we're going to find that hard to believe that

2180
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:32,920
Speaker 5: you feel like that.

2181
01:36:34,439 --> 01:36:37,800
Speaker 2: Oh I believe it, No, of course not. I believe

2182
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:38,080
Speaker 2: it or not.

2183
01:36:38,280 --> 01:36:40,680
Speaker 5: I think that the guy is really gonna be as

2184
01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:42,240
Speaker 5: good as anybody who's ever played this day.

2185
01:36:42,360 --> 01:36:44,280
Speaker 2: I still trust my instincts on this one.

2186
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:47,840
Speaker 8: I think yesterday though, for me, as somebody who's you know,

2187
01:36:47,960 --> 01:36:50,360
Speaker 8: been saying just playing him, you know, it's the realization

2188
01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:53,160
Speaker 8: of maybe we can't just play him like. The reality

2189
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:55,560
Speaker 8: is he he really might not be ready yet to

2190
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:57,720
Speaker 8: jump in the fire. I still think it's a last year.

2191
01:36:57,760 --> 01:37:00,200
Speaker 8: If he goes this whole year and then and then

2192
01:37:00,200 --> 01:37:03,680
Speaker 8: it's kind of a disappointment about his development. But what

2193
01:37:03,800 --> 01:37:06,240
Speaker 8: we looked at yesterday, it's a reminder that this is

2194
01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:08,960
Speaker 8: this kid, twenty one year old kids, first NFL practice

2195
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:11,800
Speaker 8: in pads, and he couldn't quite get it all going yet.

2196
01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:14,160
Speaker 5: I mean, I wanted to play. I just am realistic.

2197
01:37:14,200 --> 01:37:16,000
Speaker 5: I don't think it's going to be right away, But

2198
01:37:16,160 --> 01:37:18,920
Speaker 5: if it was the whole season, I do think that

2199
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:21,679
Speaker 5: that would be a really bad sign that they felt

2200
01:37:21,880 --> 01:37:23,519
Speaker 5: totally he did not progress enough to.

2201
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:26,080
Speaker 8: Warrant the very least mop up time when they're getting smoked.

2202
01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:27,360
Speaker 8: You know, like he's he's got to get in there,

2203
01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:28,000
Speaker 8: he's got to have a.

2204
01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:31,000
Speaker 5: Complete decide here. And kind of irrelevant that last thing

2205
01:37:31,520 --> 01:37:34,280
Speaker 5: in that email, Would you guys rather be three wins

2206
01:37:34,720 --> 01:37:35,200
Speaker 5: than nine?

2207
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:35,720
Speaker 15: No?

2208
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:37,880
Speaker 5: Like that's a bit like if you want to tell

2209
01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:41,000
Speaker 5: me I'd rather go three and fourteen than six and eleven.

2210
01:37:41,080 --> 01:37:44,880
Speaker 5: I could sort of understand that, but nine, no, nine

2211
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:49,160
Speaker 5: means you've made progress, you're starting a culture, you're starting now,

2212
01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:51,680
Speaker 5: you're on the precipice. You're either in the playoffs or

2213
01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:54,559
Speaker 5: you're close. Like there's a lot of teams that sort

2214
01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:57,639
Speaker 5: of make the progression from really bad to mediocre to good.

2215
01:37:57,680 --> 01:38:01,920
Speaker 2: Oh no, that's if you tell me Drake May is

2216
01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:04,519
Speaker 2: not going to play this year, Jacobe is and you're

2217
01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:07,200
Speaker 2: gonna win nine games, I'm like, let's go, because next

2218
01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:09,880
Speaker 2: year when Drake May gets thrown in, he's thrown into

2219
01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:11,320
Speaker 2: a team that just won nine games.

2220
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:14,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that would be a ridiculously positive sign.

2221
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:15,639
Speaker 10: That's sort of how I feel.

2222
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:19,000
Speaker 9: Not nine wins, but like where I am starting to

2223
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:21,760
Speaker 9: see some progress from the offensive line and the two

2224
01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:25,360
Speaker 9: young receivers are flashing a little bit where yeah, all

2225
01:38:25,400 --> 01:38:27,240
Speaker 9: of us wish it was Drake May that was the

2226
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:30,080
Speaker 9: one that was quarterbacking the offense. But even if we

2227
01:38:30,200 --> 01:38:32,639
Speaker 9: come out of the first you know, this training camp,

2228
01:38:32,720 --> 01:38:34,479
Speaker 9: let's not even talk about the season yet. If you

2229
01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:37,600
Speaker 9: come out of this training camp saying, well, we have

2230
01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:40,200
Speaker 9: some pieces on the line. Now we feel pretty good

2231
01:38:40,200 --> 01:38:43,000
Speaker 9: about Kayden Wallace seems like a player, like he's a

2232
01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:46,160
Speaker 9: starting tackle potentially in the league. These two young receivers

2233
01:38:46,240 --> 01:38:48,800
Speaker 9: can potentially play in the league as well, And now

2234
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:51,920
Speaker 9: you start to feel like the foundation around the quarterback

2235
01:38:52,280 --> 01:38:55,160
Speaker 9: is elevated a little bit. And when Drake's time comes,

2236
01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:56,880
Speaker 9: as time comes, like and if.

2237
01:38:56,800 --> 01:38:59,720
Speaker 5: You really think like they had a good draft, yeah

2238
01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:02,360
Speaker 5: had you know, Elliott Wolf's first draft was a really

2239
01:39:02,400 --> 01:39:06,080
Speaker 5: good one. And it actually was. I mean, I know

2240
01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:08,200
Speaker 5: it's going to be considered a good one regardless of

2241
01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:10,200
Speaker 5: what happens because that's just what we do around here,

2242
01:39:10,640 --> 01:39:12,519
Speaker 5: but it actually was a good draft.

2243
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:14,920
Speaker 7: No, I mean, you get Wallace Polk and Baker. I mean,

2244
01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:16,400
Speaker 7: may out of it is.

2245
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:18,920
Speaker 5: We don't know, no, but I'm saying it was a

2246
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:22,560
Speaker 5: good Like what everans like if Kyton Wallace plays the

2247
01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:25,000
Speaker 5: whole whole year and no one's saying, yeah, wow, what

2248
01:39:25,120 --> 01:39:27,840
Speaker 5: a train wreck that was, and you know, he looks

2249
01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:30,400
Speaker 5: like a good pick, you know, like he actually is

2250
01:39:30,439 --> 01:39:33,439
Speaker 5: a good pick, not like you know, we just sort

2251
01:39:33,439 --> 01:39:35,080
Speaker 5: of deem him because he's on the team. It makes

2252
01:39:35,160 --> 01:39:37,360
Speaker 5: him a good pick, which is what we've done for

2253
01:39:37,439 --> 01:39:40,240
Speaker 5: the last three or four drafts. For Bellicht, like twenty one,

2254
01:39:40,320 --> 01:39:42,439
Speaker 5: everybody would, oh, look at this guy, Look at that guy.

2255
01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:44,360
Speaker 5: Can we let him play a couple of games before?

2256
01:39:44,360 --> 01:39:46,120
Speaker 5: We just deemed that a great pick, and then all

2257
01:39:46,160 --> 01:39:49,000
Speaker 5: of a sudden they're all gone. Right, It's like who's

2258
01:39:49,080 --> 01:39:51,120
Speaker 5: left Barmore and Marmandre.

2259
01:39:51,640 --> 01:39:54,679
Speaker 10: It two guys is close to a good draft. Usually

2260
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:55,920
Speaker 10: they say three is a good job.

2261
01:39:56,560 --> 01:39:57,920
Speaker 5: I would say that that wasn't bad.

2262
01:39:58,200 --> 01:39:58,400
Speaker 14: Yeah.

2263
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:02,639
Speaker 5: Now, obviously drafts get graded a little bit differently when

2264
01:40:02,680 --> 01:40:05,400
Speaker 5: a quarterback's involved and you took a first round quarterback

2265
01:40:05,479 --> 01:40:09,920
Speaker 5: and all pros r That's what I'm saying, like, Wow,

2266
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:10,599
Speaker 5: what a draft?

2267
01:40:10,760 --> 01:40:11,280
Speaker 2: What a draft?

2268
01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:13,200
Speaker 5: Until they're all not on the team three years later.

2269
01:40:13,479 --> 01:40:16,439
Speaker 9: Yeah, Jalen Polk fascinates me though, Like this is goes

2270
01:40:16,479 --> 01:40:19,080
Speaker 9: against every fiber of my being, like watching this guy

2271
01:40:19,200 --> 01:40:22,240
Speaker 9: because I just don't see it like a ton of

2272
01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:25,880
Speaker 9: explosiveness out of him. But he catches a lot of

2273
01:40:25,960 --> 01:40:28,400
Speaker 9: passes and when the ball is thrown his way for

2274
01:40:28,479 --> 01:40:30,000
Speaker 9: the most part. He did have the one we talked

2275
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:32,160
Speaker 9: about earlier where I thought he had a chance to

2276
01:40:32,200 --> 01:40:34,400
Speaker 9: catch it, but you know, he goes over. I was

2277
01:40:34,439 --> 01:40:36,120
Speaker 9: in Marco Wilson in the corn of the end zone.

2278
01:40:36,160 --> 01:40:39,720
Speaker 9: Then he catches the the little out from uh, you know,

2279
01:40:40,280 --> 01:40:43,000
Speaker 9: Sean Wade. And he's just catching all these passes. And

2280
01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:44,880
Speaker 9: I think the one thing that Deuce and I talked

2281
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:47,400
Speaker 9: about was after the catch, is he going to bring

2282
01:40:47,520 --> 01:40:50,560
Speaker 9: any sort of juice down the field or after the

2283
01:40:50,640 --> 01:40:53,120
Speaker 9: catch or is he going to be Not that there's

2284
01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:54,600
Speaker 9: anything wrong with it, but is he going to be

2285
01:40:54,720 --> 01:40:56,720
Speaker 9: like a Jacobi Myers that you know gets his ten

2286
01:40:56,760 --> 01:40:59,160
Speaker 9: to eleven yards per catch And that's sort of who

2287
01:40:59,240 --> 01:41:01,240
Speaker 9: he is, and that's all he brings to the table.

2288
01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:07,000
Speaker 9: He gets open, but it's not open open, it's just enough, right,

2289
01:41:07,080 --> 01:41:08,440
Speaker 9: And he's got great hands.

2290
01:41:08,200 --> 01:41:10,200
Speaker 5: And if you pop Douglas for if you had to

2291
01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:15,120
Speaker 5: say right now, in camp, did he do you think

2292
01:41:15,160 --> 01:41:17,760
Speaker 5: he averaged ten or eleven yards at catch? Because I

2293
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:18,320
Speaker 5: would say no.

2294
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:20,240
Speaker 10: Probably not, probably like eight or nine.

2295
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:22,519
Speaker 2: Well, he had a couple of downfield that would bring

2296
01:41:22,640 --> 01:41:24,080
Speaker 2: up the average, didn't he, Polk?

2297
01:41:24,240 --> 01:41:27,880
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, some fifty to fifty balls one today and

2298
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:28,559
Speaker 10: then he had.

2299
01:41:28,600 --> 01:41:30,280
Speaker 5: I don't remember anything downfield to him.

2300
01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:33,040
Speaker 2: No, that looks when I say downfield, I mean like

2301
01:41:33,120 --> 01:41:33,759
Speaker 2: twenty yards.

2302
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:36,400
Speaker 9: Yeah, he had the one today was probably about seventeen

2303
01:41:36,479 --> 01:41:37,719
Speaker 9: eighteen yards down the field.

2304
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:39,960
Speaker 2: Okay, but no, it brings up the act.

2305
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:41,920
Speaker 5: But I'm with you, Paul, but that's I think he's

2306
01:41:41,920 --> 01:41:46,280
Speaker 5: got about thirty four yard crossers, right.

2307
01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:49,479
Speaker 9: But that question is is that if maybe he's better

2308
01:41:49,560 --> 01:41:52,559
Speaker 9: after the catch, then I think he is. Yeah, then

2309
01:41:52,560 --> 01:41:54,400
Speaker 9: all of a sudden, those four yard you know, those

2310
01:41:54,479 --> 01:41:57,480
Speaker 9: little six yard outs that he's in college not necessarily

2311
01:41:57,840 --> 01:41:58,439
Speaker 9: so he won't be.

2312
01:41:58,840 --> 01:42:00,720
Speaker 7: He's gonna run over guy, yeah, run through guys.

2313
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:03,639
Speaker 10: Yeah, he just doesn't. He doesn't have that like Baker.

2314
01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:04,639
Speaker 5: Run over guys in the NFL.

2315
01:42:05,160 --> 01:42:07,080
Speaker 7: It's pretty good. He's like six one.

2316
01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:10,400
Speaker 9: Baker has that extra gear though, Like whether it's in

2317
01:42:10,439 --> 01:42:11,840
Speaker 9: the when the ball's in the air or with the

2318
01:42:11,880 --> 01:42:14,320
Speaker 9: ball in his hands, Like Baker's got some juice, like

2319
01:42:14,400 --> 01:42:17,000
Speaker 9: he's got an extra gear that he can throttle down

2320
01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:19,080
Speaker 9: and pull away from a defense every once in a while.

2321
01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:21,719
Speaker 10: But I just don't necessarily see that from Polk.

2322
01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:24,040
Speaker 9: So like Paul, is he gonna be this like inefficient

2323
01:42:24,479 --> 01:42:28,040
Speaker 9: sixty five catch guy for seven hundred yards, which is

2324
01:42:28,160 --> 01:42:28,880
Speaker 9: like fine, but.

2325
01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:31,160
Speaker 2: It comes to those physical traits. If they don't have

2326
01:42:31,280 --> 01:42:34,400
Speaker 2: him in college, it's it's hard to get him. You know,

2327
01:42:34,520 --> 01:42:38,240
Speaker 2: you don't become you know, four to three in the

2328
01:42:38,360 --> 01:42:40,160
Speaker 2: pros when you weren't that in college.

2329
01:42:40,280 --> 01:42:42,720
Speaker 5: Waffling on him because they're are I mean there are

2330
01:42:43,439 --> 01:42:45,280
Speaker 5: there are a place like you could see plays and

2331
01:42:45,320 --> 01:42:47,880
Speaker 5: you can see the stuff that mike production. He'll have

2332
01:42:48,080 --> 01:42:50,840
Speaker 5: production that's not production. Like I don't care how many

2333
01:42:50,920 --> 01:42:53,519
Speaker 5: catches to me, isn't production to me? It is, Yeah,

2334
01:42:53,680 --> 01:42:56,320
Speaker 5: I understand that. But just you would never say a

2335
01:42:56,439 --> 01:42:58,680
Speaker 5: running back was productive because he had twenty carries in

2336
01:42:58,720 --> 01:43:01,120
Speaker 5: the game. You would never say that. No, But if

2337
01:43:01,160 --> 01:43:03,479
Speaker 5: he had if he had twenty carries for forty yards,

2338
01:43:03,479 --> 01:43:05,479
Speaker 5: you would never say he was productive. He had twenty carries.

2339
01:43:05,560 --> 01:43:08,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think that carries is different than catches.

2340
01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:10,760
Speaker 5: Well, to me, it's it's not unless you do something

2341
01:43:10,840 --> 01:43:12,360
Speaker 5: with the catches and you do something.

2342
01:43:12,200 --> 01:43:14,320
Speaker 2: Well, if it catches for a first down or if

2343
01:43:14,360 --> 01:43:15,840
Speaker 2: it's you know, then right.

2344
01:43:15,800 --> 01:43:17,120
Speaker 5: Then that's then that's productive.

2345
01:43:17,280 --> 01:43:17,439
Speaker 2: Right.

2346
01:43:17,720 --> 01:43:19,680
Speaker 5: The stuff that he's catching in practice on it, for

2347
01:43:19,720 --> 01:43:22,479
Speaker 5: the most part, is not resulting in first do you know,

2348
01:43:22,680 --> 01:43:24,400
Speaker 5: because they're like three yard passes.

2349
01:43:24,720 --> 01:43:28,400
Speaker 2: Well, maybe it was third and two. Okay, I'm serious.

2350
01:43:28,520 --> 01:43:32,280
Speaker 2: I mean, like you know, like Leonard Myers is, I'm

2351
01:43:32,320 --> 01:43:35,519
Speaker 2: not Leonard Myers, Toby Myers is. He didn't have a

2352
01:43:35,560 --> 01:43:37,800
Speaker 2: lot of Robby Myers was productive, but he didn't have

2353
01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:38,360
Speaker 2: a lot of yard.

2354
01:43:38,360 --> 01:43:40,560
Speaker 5: But he didn't catch up all his passes within like

2355
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:42,400
Speaker 5: a yard of the line of ship, and neither of

2356
01:43:42,479 --> 01:43:45,479
Speaker 5: his poke come on. The vast majority of the passes

2357
01:43:45,560 --> 01:43:48,400
Speaker 5: that he has caught have been shallow crosses or quick outs.

2358
01:43:48,520 --> 01:43:52,639
Speaker 2: Yeah seven yards sometimes Yeah, no, no way, you're being

2359
01:43:52,680 --> 01:43:53,760
Speaker 2: a little extreme now.

2360
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:56,560
Speaker 5: Listen. I said, I'm waffling because there have been some

2361
01:43:56,720 --> 01:43:59,200
Speaker 5: plays the last two days in pads and I've been

2362
01:43:59,240 --> 01:44:02,280
Speaker 5: saying this about him. You guys might and I say,

2363
01:44:02,360 --> 01:44:05,960
Speaker 5: Mike and Evan told me a lot about him post draft,

2364
01:44:06,040 --> 01:44:09,679
Speaker 5: about his physicality and his ability to carve out space.

2365
01:44:09,800 --> 01:44:12,960
Speaker 5: I've seen that with pads On, Yeah, and I thought

2366
01:44:13,000 --> 01:44:16,160
Speaker 5: that he might look better with pads On than he

2367
01:44:16,280 --> 01:44:19,479
Speaker 5: did without him, because the lack of explosiveness isn't as

2368
01:44:19,640 --> 01:44:22,000
Speaker 5: noticeable when you're carving out space.

2369
01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:22,599
Speaker 10: Yeah.

2370
01:44:22,680 --> 01:44:24,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's what kind of guy is.

2371
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:27,560
Speaker 5: Then that's that's a good asset to have, and I

2372
01:44:27,640 --> 01:44:31,160
Speaker 5: have seen signs of that yesterday and today today especially,

2373
01:44:31,160 --> 01:44:33,600
Speaker 5: I thought he made a lot of catches today, you know,

2374
01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:34,600
Speaker 5: like that.

2375
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:36,759
Speaker 10: Yeah, there's just there's so many examples.

2376
01:44:36,960 --> 01:44:39,360
Speaker 9: So he ran a four four five four in the

2377
01:44:39,439 --> 01:44:41,519
Speaker 9: forty yard dash, and we talk a lot about how

2378
01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:44,280
Speaker 9: the forty yard dash isn't always everything for receivers, and

2379
01:44:44,320 --> 01:44:47,160
Speaker 9: there's so many examples of guys that went on to

2380
01:44:47,240 --> 01:44:50,400
Speaker 9: have amazing NFL careers in that range of the forty

2381
01:44:50,439 --> 01:44:52,880
Speaker 9: yard dash. You know, I think of like Keenan Allen

2382
01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:54,960
Speaker 9: and Michael Thomas and like those types of players. And

2383
01:44:55,479 --> 01:44:58,519
Speaker 9: but like those guys to me, were played much faster

2384
01:44:58,840 --> 01:45:01,519
Speaker 9: than what I see so far out of Polk. But like,

2385
01:45:01,880 --> 01:45:04,280
Speaker 9: there's a possibility that he is one of those types

2386
01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:06,479
Speaker 9: of guys that just plays a little bit faster than

2387
01:45:06,479 --> 01:45:08,600
Speaker 9: any times and is just a good football player and

2388
01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:12,000
Speaker 9: his physical and all those types of things. And we've

2389
01:45:12,040 --> 01:45:14,639
Speaker 9: seen that in a little bit, I think in flashes.

2390
01:45:14,720 --> 01:45:16,320
Speaker 9: But I'm with Paul. I don't know what to make

2391
01:45:16,360 --> 01:45:18,000
Speaker 9: of it yet. I know I'm not out on him.

2392
01:45:18,120 --> 01:45:18,720
Speaker 5: I'm not telling you.

2393
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:21,600
Speaker 7: It's interesting hearing you kind of go back and forth on.

2394
01:45:22,640 --> 01:45:25,200
Speaker 5: I'm definitely because I do see some of the stuff

2395
01:45:25,439 --> 01:45:27,479
Speaker 5: that you two told me about. I've seen some of

2396
01:45:27,600 --> 01:45:30,559
Speaker 5: that manifest on the field now. But I've also seen

2397
01:45:31,479 --> 01:45:33,479
Speaker 5: the Vincent Brisbee stuff that I talk about all the time.

2398
01:45:33,520 --> 01:45:35,880
Speaker 5: It was just like, that's what he is now in

2399
01:45:35,960 --> 01:45:37,960
Speaker 5: two years, three years, is not going to be much

2400
01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:38,800
Speaker 5: gas there.

2401
01:45:38,920 --> 01:45:40,760
Speaker 9: The catch that he made today in the corner of

2402
01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:42,639
Speaker 9: the end zone, I think it was over Marco Wilson,

2403
01:45:42,920 --> 01:45:45,280
Speaker 9: like those down the field. That's how he's going to

2404
01:45:45,320 --> 01:45:48,479
Speaker 9: win down the field. And in college at Washington, Pennix

2405
01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:51,080
Speaker 9: has great Paul placement down the field, So he was

2406
01:45:51,160 --> 01:45:54,439
Speaker 9: on such a great like chemistry between the two guys

2407
01:45:54,760 --> 01:45:57,000
Speaker 9: where they knew like put it on his shoulder or

2408
01:45:57,040 --> 01:45:58,760
Speaker 9: put it up or put it you know where you

2409
01:45:58,880 --> 01:46:01,280
Speaker 9: were going to place it around defender. And I think

2410
01:46:01,320 --> 01:46:03,360
Speaker 9: some of these downfield targets that we've seen from Polk

2411
01:46:03,439 --> 01:46:06,400
Speaker 9: that haven't been successful. I'm hoping that with more time

2412
01:46:06,439 --> 01:46:08,880
Speaker 9: with the quarterbacks, you know, they'll He'll say to him, Hey,

2413
01:46:08,920 --> 01:46:11,120
Speaker 9: if the defender is like on my inside hip, I

2414
01:46:11,280 --> 01:46:13,080
Speaker 9: like the back shoulder, or if it you know, he's

2415
01:46:13,720 --> 01:46:15,200
Speaker 9: on top of me, You'll throw it up and I'm

2416
01:46:15,200 --> 01:46:17,440
Speaker 9: gonna go up and get it. And then those completions,

2417
01:46:17,479 --> 01:46:19,280
Speaker 9: you know, those are the little things that change those

2418
01:46:19,360 --> 01:46:20,919
Speaker 9: incompletions into more completions.

2419
01:46:21,040 --> 01:46:22,840
Speaker 8: I'd say there were maybe like two passes that I

2420
01:46:22,960 --> 01:46:25,679
Speaker 8: was just a little bit disappointed in because at Washington,

2421
01:46:26,120 --> 01:46:28,120
Speaker 8: Ariel guy like him flying through the air, he caught

2422
01:46:28,360 --> 01:46:30,400
Speaker 8: a bunch of passes. You know, there's and then again

2423
01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:31,640
Speaker 8: I think that's part of his game. There's been a

2424
01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:33,280
Speaker 8: couple of these drop though, and I think, you know,

2425
01:46:33,439 --> 01:46:35,120
Speaker 8: to your point, that's what it is.

2426
01:46:35,240 --> 01:46:36,840
Speaker 7: You know, it's tight jumping, you know.

2427
01:46:37,080 --> 01:46:38,799
Speaker 5: So the ones that have me concerned.

2428
01:46:38,960 --> 01:46:39,439
Speaker 14: There was a.

2429
01:46:40,920 --> 01:46:43,920
Speaker 5: Early in practice he ran a quick out on Marco

2430
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:48,640
Speaker 5: Wilson and like Wilson was with I mean, it was

2431
01:46:48,760 --> 01:46:51,800
Speaker 5: like maybe maybe five yards and I think I'm being

2432
01:46:51,880 --> 01:46:56,439
Speaker 5: generous and Wilson was like right in his shirt and

2433
01:46:56,520 --> 01:46:58,439
Speaker 5: they went up and he had his hand in between

2434
01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:01,880
Speaker 5: Polk's hands. Polk made the catch, strong hands. But I'm

2435
01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:07,000
Speaker 5: thinking wow for four yards the battle and Marco Wilson.

2436
01:47:07,240 --> 01:47:09,840
Speaker 5: Oh no, Marco Wilson is a five year veteran. But

2437
01:47:10,360 --> 01:47:14,479
Speaker 5: my point is that's an awful lot of work for

2438
01:47:14,680 --> 01:47:17,680
Speaker 5: not getting any separation at all. Like, that's what kind

2439
01:47:17,720 --> 01:47:20,360
Speaker 5: of worries me. But the play that you guys are

2440
01:47:20,400 --> 01:47:22,439
Speaker 5: talking about in the end zone, there was a little

2441
01:47:22,479 --> 01:47:24,960
Speaker 5: separation and he did go up and make that play

2442
01:47:25,040 --> 01:47:26,800
Speaker 5: that you guys have been telling me. That's his calling

2443
01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:29,519
Speaker 5: card and he can make those kind of physical plays.

2444
01:47:29,800 --> 01:47:30,760
Speaker 10: So I see that too.

2445
01:47:31,400 --> 01:47:33,320
Speaker 5: That's why I'm waffling, which is very rare for me.

2446
01:47:33,439 --> 01:47:34,280
Speaker 5: Usually I'm in or out.

2447
01:47:35,040 --> 01:47:39,320
Speaker 2: Tom writes in if I'm not mistaken, Judon's still under

2448
01:47:39,360 --> 01:47:42,479
Speaker 2: contract for this year. What took place yesterday with the

2449
01:47:42,560 --> 01:47:47,000
Speaker 2: disrespect show toward his teammates, coaching staff, leadership, and ownership,

2450
01:47:47,360 --> 01:47:51,479
Speaker 2: I think Judon should be traded for as value to

2451
01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:55,040
Speaker 2: try to get another defensive lineman or upgrade the wide

2452
01:47:55,080 --> 01:47:55,920
Speaker 2: receiver position.

2453
01:47:56,600 --> 01:47:59,840
Speaker 9: I just think that your expectations have to be lowered

2454
01:48:00,560 --> 01:48:03,240
Speaker 9: of what he's worth. You're not gonna I don't think

2455
01:48:03,280 --> 01:48:07,479
Speaker 9: you're gonna get a player that's worth trading for right now.

2456
01:48:07,560 --> 01:48:10,320
Speaker 9: For Matthew Jude, on these the trades, especially this time

2457
01:48:10,400 --> 01:48:13,400
Speaker 9: of year, the value just isn't there and that that's where.

2458
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:17,479
Speaker 2: But for a team that just needs that little over there.

2459
01:48:17,520 --> 01:48:20,840
Speaker 5: Do they have a disgruntled defensive lineman. No, but because

2460
01:48:20,880 --> 01:48:22,639
Speaker 5: that's I mean, you're only going to get a defensive

2461
01:48:22,680 --> 01:48:26,520
Speaker 5: lineman in return. It's someone's in the same kind of situation.

2462
01:48:26,360 --> 01:48:28,360
Speaker 2: Because you're gonna Yeah, that's true, but.

2463
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:30,960
Speaker 5: With everything else, he said, I thought it was disrespectful

2464
01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:34,639
Speaker 5: what he did yesterday, and I would strongly consider trading him.

2465
01:48:34,680 --> 01:48:36,120
Speaker 5: But it's probably gonna be for a draft pick.

2466
01:48:36,240 --> 01:48:39,519
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's be for a draft pick. And the windows

2467
01:48:39,560 --> 01:48:43,680
Speaker 9: to like maximize his value are in March, you know,

2468
01:48:43,960 --> 01:48:46,400
Speaker 9: with the draft coming up, and then at the probably

2469
01:48:46,400 --> 01:48:47,280
Speaker 9: at the trade deadline.

2470
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:49,320
Speaker 5: I think I think you can get a Day two

2471
01:48:49,400 --> 01:48:51,400
Speaker 5: pick at the trade deadline.

2472
01:48:51,840 --> 01:48:54,360
Speaker 9: Yeah, if a team is desperate in like a contender,

2473
01:48:54,720 --> 01:48:56,559
Speaker 9: and they either look at it as to your point,

2474
01:48:56,600 --> 01:48:58,600
Speaker 9: a piece to put them over the top, or they

2475
01:48:58,640 --> 01:49:01,479
Speaker 9: had a rash of injuries at Dresser and the Niners

2476
01:49:01,520 --> 01:49:03,960
Speaker 9: are are looking for edge guys and they still want

2477
01:49:04,040 --> 01:49:05,479
Speaker 9: to have this super Bowl team.

2478
01:49:05,680 --> 01:49:06,680
Speaker 10: Then yeah, maybe it's just.

2479
01:49:06,720 --> 01:49:09,080
Speaker 8: Kind of tough though, because Jewdom will be hip to

2480
01:49:09,120 --> 01:49:11,479
Speaker 8: that plan, right, Like, I don't know, it just it

2481
01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:14,920
Speaker 8: doesn't seem like and I like that plan. But is

2482
01:49:14,960 --> 01:49:15,720
Speaker 8: he gonna like that plan?

2483
01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:17,400
Speaker 7: Is he gonna know? Is he gonna just feel like

2484
01:49:17,400 --> 01:49:18,120
Speaker 7: a lame duck here?

2485
01:49:18,160 --> 01:49:20,719
Speaker 5: He's gonna like the plan for whoever pays for money?

2486
01:49:20,840 --> 01:49:22,880
Speaker 7: He just like, yeah, you know, and he'll be and

2487
01:49:22,960 --> 01:49:23,559
Speaker 7: he'll he can go.

2488
01:49:23,640 --> 01:49:25,680
Speaker 5: Somewhere else and they and they might give him, you

2489
01:49:25,760 --> 01:49:27,519
Speaker 5: know what he's looking for for a contract.

2490
01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:28,920
Speaker 3: You know.

2491
01:49:29,200 --> 01:49:30,880
Speaker 5: He said the right things that day by saying I

2492
01:49:30,920 --> 01:49:32,720
Speaker 5: don't want to be traded, but you think you'd be

2493
01:49:32,800 --> 01:49:34,000
Speaker 5: really bad if he was traded.

2494
01:49:34,200 --> 01:49:36,360
Speaker 10: No, not to a good team if he gets his bag.

2495
01:49:37,439 --> 01:49:40,439
Speaker 9: I just remember going back to his introductory press conference

2496
01:49:40,600 --> 01:49:43,560
Speaker 9: with the Patriots. He was honest with us then, and

2497
01:49:43,640 --> 01:49:46,200
Speaker 9: he's been such a cool guy to cover. Yeah, I

2498
01:49:46,280 --> 01:49:48,280
Speaker 9: feel like the last couple of years that I almost forgot.

2499
01:49:48,680 --> 01:49:52,080
Speaker 9: But his twenty twenty one press conference, they someone asked

2500
01:49:52,160 --> 01:49:54,760
Speaker 9: him point blank, why did you pick the Patriots? He said,

2501
01:49:54,800 --> 01:49:57,400
Speaker 9: because they paid me the most money, and then he

2502
01:49:57,520 --> 01:50:00,120
Speaker 9: went out and he bawled out. To his credit, he

2503
01:50:00,280 --> 01:50:02,320
Speaker 9: was like this cool guy in the locker room, a

2504
01:50:02,360 --> 01:50:05,040
Speaker 9: lot of energy and a really good teammate by all

2505
01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:08,080
Speaker 9: you know accounts. But now you're starting to see the

2506
01:50:08,120 --> 01:50:09,800
Speaker 9: business side of it creep back in for him a

2507
01:50:09,840 --> 01:50:10,200
Speaker 9: little bit.

2508
01:50:10,720 --> 01:50:11,519
Speaker 5: The side of the business.

2509
01:50:11,960 --> 01:50:15,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, all he has every right to hold out, hold

2510
01:50:15,640 --> 01:50:18,000
Speaker 2: in whatever for more money, but what he did yesterday

2511
01:50:18,160 --> 01:50:21,839
Speaker 2: was wrong. I agree that was wrong. Steve in Texas.

2512
01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:25,120
Speaker 2: If Poke is Jacoby Myers, do we consider that a bust?

2513
01:50:25,479 --> 01:50:25,519
Speaker 18: No?

2514
01:50:25,760 --> 01:50:29,720
Speaker 5: No, No, I wouldn't. No, I'm hoping for more, but

2515
01:50:29,840 --> 01:50:32,519
Speaker 5: I wouldn't consider that a bust. I think Jacoby Myers

2516
01:50:32,600 --> 01:50:34,439
Speaker 5: was a good player for this team, and he was

2517
01:50:34,479 --> 01:50:35,920
Speaker 5: a good player for the Raiders last year.

2518
01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:38,360
Speaker 9: Yeah, with Paul, I wouldn't consider him a bust. Now

2519
01:50:39,680 --> 01:50:42,680
Speaker 9: you would like that Javon Baker is like a compliment.

2520
01:50:42,400 --> 01:50:44,120
Speaker 7: To that, like if some explosion.

2521
01:50:44,280 --> 01:50:46,240
Speaker 9: If Jalen Polk's kind of the steady Eddy, then you

2522
01:50:46,280 --> 01:50:49,519
Speaker 9: would hope that Javon Baker is maybe not as consistent,

2523
01:50:49,600 --> 01:50:50,719
Speaker 9: but it's a little bit flashier.

2524
01:50:50,880 --> 01:50:52,360
Speaker 10: Yeah, and that's exactly what I thought.

2525
01:50:52,400 --> 01:50:54,760
Speaker 9: These two guys were going to be when they drafted them,

2526
01:50:55,000 --> 01:50:56,680
Speaker 9: you know, just watching them before the draft, and that's

2527
01:50:56,720 --> 01:50:58,760
Speaker 9: exactly who they've been through six days of camp. It's

2528
01:50:59,080 --> 01:51:01,200
Speaker 9: one guy is the underneath guy that's going to pick

2529
01:51:01,280 --> 01:51:04,080
Speaker 9: up you know, seven or eight yards and getting move

2530
01:51:04,120 --> 01:51:07,040
Speaker 9: the chains. The other guy wants every practice he's gonna

2531
01:51:07,120 --> 01:51:09,000
Speaker 9: make a catch that you're like, wow, that that's a

2532
01:51:09,040 --> 01:51:09,679
Speaker 9: hell of a catch.

2533
01:51:10,520 --> 01:51:13,639
Speaker 2: Audrey new Hampshire writes, and wow, a room of naked

2534
01:51:13,720 --> 01:51:16,479
Speaker 2: knees looking good, PAULI in your U n C. Gear.

2535
01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:18,719
Speaker 2: I was gonna have Paul dress up like that Italian

2536
01:51:18,840 --> 01:51:22,040
Speaker 2: diver today that's going around the internet. Have you seen that?

2537
01:51:23,000 --> 01:51:24,280
Speaker 5: There a guy who won last night?

2538
01:51:24,439 --> 01:51:27,120
Speaker 2: No, No, that's a swimmer. Swimming guy's a diver.

2539
01:51:28,080 --> 01:51:31,360
Speaker 5: He got a little uh little something extra up yeah front,

2540
01:51:31,600 --> 01:51:32,160
Speaker 5: Yeah he was.

2541
01:51:32,960 --> 01:51:35,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see why you would think he's a standout.

2542
01:51:35,120 --> 01:51:36,200
Speaker 5: I could see why you would.

2543
01:51:36,040 --> 01:51:36,360
Speaker 2: Think of me.

2544
01:51:36,439 --> 01:51:40,439
Speaker 8: Then, yeah, they have some ridiculous packing some heat.

2545
01:51:40,439 --> 01:51:42,519
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, heavy guys pack in heavy heat.

2546
01:51:42,640 --> 01:51:44,519
Speaker 2: It's got a little diving board going on in there.

2547
01:51:47,040 --> 01:51:48,040
Speaker 10: What are we talking about?

2548
01:51:49,120 --> 01:51:54,599
Speaker 2: Anyway? Look it up his name is or something like that. Obviously,

2549
01:51:54,760 --> 01:51:58,080
Speaker 2: we fans need patience because so much is new. All

2550
01:51:58,160 --> 01:52:01,320
Speaker 2: the conversation about what a good season looks like is

2551
01:52:01,439 --> 01:52:04,800
Speaker 2: so varied. But to me, I'm most interested in whether

2552
01:52:04,920 --> 01:52:08,000
Speaker 2: or not this is going to be a competent coaching staff.

2553
01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:11,639
Speaker 2: I think it's rare that all top positions are our newbies.

2554
01:52:11,960 --> 01:52:14,479
Speaker 2: Do they all work together? Well, I'm certainly hoping for

2555
01:52:14,560 --> 01:52:18,000
Speaker 2: the best. But until the base system of learning, teaching,

2556
01:52:18,720 --> 01:52:24,599
Speaker 2: and execution is adapted and sync I think he says

2557
01:52:25,360 --> 01:52:28,799
Speaker 2: syncd up, it's hard to expect players to really elevate

2558
01:52:28,880 --> 01:52:32,880
Speaker 2: to their potential. And Paul, you said you sat with

2559
01:52:33,000 --> 01:52:35,920
Speaker 2: Andy again. You know he keeps improving in his new work.

2560
01:52:36,320 --> 01:52:39,920
Speaker 2: Pretty likely to be an Andy Hart show at some

2561
01:52:40,080 --> 01:52:41,280
Speaker 2: point in the near future.

2562
01:52:42,040 --> 01:52:44,639
Speaker 7: Oh, I think so. From heart to heart.

2563
01:52:46,479 --> 01:52:49,960
Speaker 5: Probably not, but I'm here for it. I'll write his

2564
01:52:50,040 --> 01:52:52,559
Speaker 5: coat tails if you'll let me. What do you guys

2565
01:52:52,600 --> 01:52:55,320
Speaker 5: think of the I think it's a good point about

2566
01:52:55,640 --> 01:52:58,439
Speaker 5: the coaches, like, you know, what's a successful season. But

2567
01:52:59,000 --> 01:53:03,000
Speaker 5: how would you guys like when you watched and said, yeah,

2568
01:53:03,080 --> 01:53:04,680
Speaker 5: these guys did a good job in their first year

2569
01:53:04,720 --> 01:53:05,240
Speaker 5: as coaches.

2570
01:53:05,439 --> 01:53:08,519
Speaker 8: Scrappy team, scrappy team with some guys that emerge, and

2571
01:53:08,680 --> 01:53:11,719
Speaker 8: you see guys improving, and they're just they keep fighting.

2572
01:53:11,880 --> 01:53:13,040
Speaker 7: You know, they don't beat themselves.

2573
01:53:13,600 --> 01:53:16,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, what you just said. They don't beat themselves. They

2574
01:53:16,760 --> 01:53:20,479
Speaker 2: limit the mistakes, they shore up special teams. You know,

2575
01:53:20,560 --> 01:53:24,639
Speaker 2: compared to what it was last year, we're not hearing

2576
01:53:24,680 --> 01:53:26,760
Speaker 2: about nonsense in the locker room things like, you know,

2577
01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:29,400
Speaker 2: all the things of a buttoned up team. Yeah.

2578
01:53:30,479 --> 01:53:32,360
Speaker 9: The one thing I like, I guess Detroit, I think

2579
01:53:32,439 --> 01:53:34,160
Speaker 9: is the best example I can think of is what

2580
01:53:34,360 --> 01:53:37,680
Speaker 9: Dan Campbell. Everybody's pulling on the rope, you know, like

2581
01:53:38,360 --> 01:53:40,679
Speaker 9: the rope is all being pulled, and it's being pulled

2582
01:53:40,680 --> 01:53:43,240
Speaker 9: in the right direction and there's not all these ulterior

2583
01:53:43,400 --> 01:53:44,960
Speaker 9: motives and all.

2584
01:53:44,880 --> 01:53:46,880
Speaker 10: That kind of stuff kind of dies down a little bit.

2585
01:53:47,000 --> 01:53:49,920
Speaker 9: But in terms of like the actual on field coaching,

2586
01:53:50,400 --> 01:53:53,200
Speaker 9: I feel pretty good about the defense because even though

2587
01:53:53,240 --> 01:53:55,800
Speaker 9: he you can argue that he wasn't necessarily qualified to

2588
01:53:55,840 --> 01:53:58,360
Speaker 9: be a head coach, yet grod was certainly qualified to

2589
01:53:58,400 --> 01:54:00,479
Speaker 9: be a defensive coordinator. And I think he's going to

2590
01:54:00,560 --> 01:54:03,200
Speaker 9: run the defense along with side with Covington. Like, I

2591
01:54:03,320 --> 01:54:05,559
Speaker 9: think that he's going to have a big hand in things.

2592
01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:07,880
Speaker 9: And we'll see about Van Pelt. You know, I thought

2593
01:54:07,880 --> 01:54:10,519
Speaker 9: there was an interesting quote about you know, from the

2594
01:54:10,880 --> 01:54:14,839
Speaker 9: the Browns GM yesterday talking about why they hired Ken Dorsey,

2595
01:54:14,920 --> 01:54:17,160
Speaker 9: and it kind of connected and a lot of the

2596
01:54:17,240 --> 01:54:19,200
Speaker 9: things that they said were, you know, we want to

2597
01:54:19,360 --> 01:54:21,160
Speaker 9: use more emotion, we want to be better in the

2598
01:54:21,280 --> 01:54:23,960
Speaker 9: drop back game, we want to incorporate more RPOs. It

2599
01:54:24,080 --> 01:54:25,639
Speaker 9: was sort of the things that we were talking about

2600
01:54:25,640 --> 01:54:27,479
Speaker 9: a little bit when they hired Van Pelt. Like that

2601
01:54:27,640 --> 01:54:29,800
Speaker 9: scheme in Cleveland got a little stale, I got a

2602
01:54:29,800 --> 01:54:32,560
Speaker 9: little old school, got a little stale. So is he

2603
01:54:32,720 --> 01:54:36,760
Speaker 9: able to adapt or you know, add things or whatever

2604
01:54:36,880 --> 01:54:38,840
Speaker 9: that are a little bit more I hate to use

2605
01:54:38,840 --> 01:54:41,839
Speaker 9: the word modern because everybody picks on that phrase modern offense,

2606
01:54:41,920 --> 01:54:44,360
Speaker 9: but like that that is a little bit more innovative

2607
01:54:44,400 --> 01:54:45,120
Speaker 9: than what they were doing.

2608
01:54:45,120 --> 01:54:46,760
Speaker 2: I want to go back to something you think is

2609
01:54:46,840 --> 01:54:50,320
Speaker 2: going to happen though, running the defense? Is that is

2610
01:54:50,360 --> 01:54:52,360
Speaker 2: that good? Do we want him spending his time running

2611
01:54:52,400 --> 01:54:52,960
Speaker 2: the defense?

2612
01:54:53,160 --> 01:54:53,560
Speaker 10: Personally?

2613
01:54:53,680 --> 01:54:53,920
Speaker 18: I do?

2614
01:54:55,440 --> 01:54:57,960
Speaker 9: Now, like if he wants to become more of like

2615
01:54:58,080 --> 01:55:00,680
Speaker 9: the floater and the CEO coach four or five years

2616
01:55:00,720 --> 01:55:02,160
Speaker 9: down the line, when he's been doing this for a

2617
01:55:02,200 --> 01:55:07,080
Speaker 9: little bit, then I'm all for that. But now, like,

2618
01:55:07,320 --> 01:55:09,240
Speaker 9: does he really know a ton about offense.

2619
01:55:09,480 --> 01:55:11,640
Speaker 2: No, I'm not saying he should be running the offense,

2620
01:55:11,760 --> 01:55:17,080
Speaker 2: but there's a lot to being a head coach besides coordinating.

2621
01:55:19,200 --> 01:55:20,840
Speaker 2: I don't know it's at a risk to have him

2622
01:55:20,880 --> 01:55:23,320
Speaker 2: spend so much time focused on defense and not just

2623
01:55:23,440 --> 01:55:24,840
Speaker 2: the overall team.

2624
01:55:24,920 --> 01:55:25,080
Speaker 10: Yeah.

2625
01:55:25,080 --> 01:55:27,920
Speaker 9: I wonder if you know in Houston, their structure right

2626
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:31,120
Speaker 9: now is like that overall team stuff is Nick Caserio

2627
01:55:31,680 --> 01:55:34,560
Speaker 9: like Nick Caserio, not necessarily in the locker room, but

2628
01:55:34,760 --> 01:55:38,720
Speaker 9: like all they're like you know, CEO type stuff going

2629
01:55:38,760 --> 01:55:41,280
Speaker 9: into the head coach ok and Demiko is on the

2630
01:55:41,320 --> 01:55:44,040
Speaker 9: sideland with the play sheet calling the defense on Sundays

2631
01:55:44,120 --> 01:55:47,920
Speaker 9: like he's running the defense. And with these younger coaches,

2632
01:55:48,040 --> 01:55:49,840
Speaker 9: I like, stick to what you know, like you're not

2633
01:55:49,920 --> 01:55:52,920
Speaker 9: Bill Belichick, where you can have your hand in every

2634
01:55:52,960 --> 01:55:56,040
Speaker 9: single you know pot and be able to know exactly

2635
01:55:56,120 --> 01:55:57,040
Speaker 9: which buttons to push.

2636
01:55:57,040 --> 01:55:58,720
Speaker 10: I think that's a lot to ask of him right now.

2637
01:55:58,880 --> 01:56:02,000
Speaker 5: I like that that Houston thing, you know, inadvertently gave

2638
01:56:02,080 --> 01:56:04,680
Speaker 5: me some confidence, Like that is how it's set up.

2639
01:56:04,720 --> 01:56:07,760
Speaker 5: You know, it's Casario has the final say and he's

2640
01:56:07,800 --> 01:56:09,720
Speaker 5: in charge of everything, and he has you know, the

2641
01:56:09,800 --> 01:56:12,240
Speaker 5: young defensive minded coach under him, and it's you know,

2642
01:56:12,320 --> 01:56:15,480
Speaker 5: at least one year it worked. That gives me some

2643
01:56:16,400 --> 01:56:18,560
Speaker 5: confidence that it can work like that here too, like

2644
01:56:18,720 --> 01:56:21,400
Speaker 5: because I've sort of been critical what happens when there's

2645
01:56:21,400 --> 01:56:23,760
Speaker 5: an impasse, but they've made it work a little bit,

2646
01:56:23,840 --> 01:56:27,280
Speaker 5: so you know, we'll see, you know. But the back

2647
01:56:27,320 --> 01:56:31,000
Speaker 5: to the email about the coaching, and I understand his

2648
01:56:31,200 --> 01:56:34,640
Speaker 5: point about like, you know, maybe they won't be you know,

2649
01:56:34,720 --> 01:56:36,960
Speaker 5: the most successful team wins and the losses, but like,

2650
01:56:38,360 --> 01:56:40,640
Speaker 5: can you you know what when you see it when

2651
01:56:40,680 --> 01:56:44,280
Speaker 5: a team looks like they're buttoned down and disciplined and

2652
01:56:44,360 --> 01:56:47,640
Speaker 5: avoiding those mistakes. And I'm not gonna lie. These two

2653
01:56:47,720 --> 01:56:50,760
Speaker 5: days in pads have me a little concerned about the discipline,

2654
01:56:51,200 --> 01:56:55,480
Speaker 5: the amount of false starts and re huddles and offensive laps,

2655
01:56:57,240 --> 01:56:59,520
Speaker 5: and I'm glad that they're addressing it. I think Girod's

2656
01:56:59,560 --> 01:57:01,880
Speaker 5: doing a good job of trying to nip it in

2657
01:57:01,920 --> 01:57:05,280
Speaker 5: the butt. And listening to Austin Hooper yesterday, he was great.

2658
01:57:05,440 --> 01:57:09,040
Speaker 5: He's like, listen, these things that we're not doing don't

2659
01:57:09,080 --> 01:57:11,840
Speaker 5: require any talent. The things that you know, the pre

2660
01:57:11,920 --> 01:57:14,960
Speaker 5: snap penalties, that doesn't require any talent at all. You

2661
01:57:15,040 --> 01:57:17,400
Speaker 5: know to come out here. You understand that you're jacked

2662
01:57:17,400 --> 01:57:20,200
Speaker 5: out first day of pads and everybody wants to hit hit,

2663
01:57:20,680 --> 01:57:24,840
Speaker 5: but you need to keep your mental approach in the

2664
01:57:24,920 --> 01:57:27,480
Speaker 5: appropriate spot and we have to be accountable. And then

2665
01:57:27,520 --> 01:57:29,160
Speaker 5: he finished it all off by saying, you have to

2666
01:57:29,240 --> 01:57:31,160
Speaker 5: decide do you want to be a cross country team

2667
01:57:31,360 --> 01:57:33,160
Speaker 5: or do you want to be a football team, Because

2668
01:57:33,160 --> 01:57:36,280
Speaker 5: I've been on teams where they're perfectly content to say, well,

2669
01:57:36,320 --> 01:57:37,760
Speaker 5: if you're not going to do it right, we might

2670
01:57:37,800 --> 01:57:40,480
Speaker 5: as well be in good condition and you're just going

2671
01:57:40,560 --> 01:57:42,280
Speaker 5: to run. He goes, personally, I'd rather be on a

2672
01:57:42,320 --> 01:57:44,920
Speaker 5: football team than a cross country team, is good. And

2673
01:57:45,000 --> 01:57:46,480
Speaker 5: then they came out today and did a lot of

2674
01:57:46,520 --> 01:57:47,800
Speaker 5: the same stuff they did yesterday.

2675
01:57:48,160 --> 01:57:52,920
Speaker 2: Frankly, so, well, that's where Girodd needs to get on

2676
01:57:53,040 --> 01:57:56,960
Speaker 2: his offensive coaches and say listen, button it up, let's go.

2677
01:57:59,400 --> 01:58:01,840
Speaker 5: So I'm glad that they're addressing it, though, like, don't

2678
01:58:01,920 --> 01:58:04,400
Speaker 5: just say, well, it's camp, it's the first day at pads. No,

2679
01:58:04,840 --> 01:58:06,160
Speaker 5: it's important, you know.

2680
01:58:06,720 --> 01:58:06,920
Speaker 12: I was.

2681
01:58:07,040 --> 01:58:09,360
Speaker 5: I was glad to hear Girod Mayo talk about something

2682
01:58:09,440 --> 01:58:12,440
Speaker 5: that Baker had done two or three three days earlier,

2683
01:58:12,760 --> 01:58:14,920
Speaker 5: or maybe on the Sunday practice they all blend in.

2684
01:58:15,280 --> 01:58:17,840
Speaker 5: When he caught that long pass and he he like

2685
01:58:18,120 --> 01:58:19,560
Speaker 5: tumbled to the ground, he got up and threw the

2686
01:58:19,600 --> 01:58:22,200
Speaker 5: ball in the air. That's a fumble. He hadn't been touched,

2687
01:58:23,720 --> 01:58:25,640
Speaker 5: you know, not to mention that if he threw the

2688
01:58:25,680 --> 01:58:26,920
Speaker 5: ball in the air as high as he did in

2689
01:58:27,000 --> 01:58:28,840
Speaker 5: the game and he had been touched, it probably would

2690
01:58:28,840 --> 01:58:31,480
Speaker 5: have been a penalty, right right, you know what I mean.

2691
01:58:32,400 --> 01:58:33,720
Speaker 5: But I'm glad that he addressed that.

2692
01:58:33,920 --> 01:58:37,840
Speaker 2: And and I've had enough of we complete a pass

2693
01:58:37,880 --> 01:58:40,760
Speaker 2: downfield and the whole team runs down and let's let's

2694
01:58:40,840 --> 01:58:44,640
Speaker 2: save that. No, really as many reps in as possible,

2695
01:58:44,680 --> 01:58:45,800
Speaker 2: and you're wasting time.

2696
01:58:46,560 --> 01:58:48,440
Speaker 9: I agree with that point of it too, But I

2697
01:58:48,520 --> 01:58:50,440
Speaker 9: also just think, like, act like you've been there before

2698
01:58:50,440 --> 01:58:53,200
Speaker 9: a little bit, Like so the defense kicks your butt

2699
01:58:53,240 --> 01:58:55,560
Speaker 9: all day long, right, and you make one play down

2700
01:58:55,600 --> 01:58:58,440
Speaker 9: the field and then everything when down there, did.

2701
01:58:58,360 --> 01:59:01,440
Speaker 5: You see when Milton through the the slant to Ju.

2702
01:59:02,840 --> 01:59:06,680
Speaker 2: Threw the bird up like you, like, like Evan said,

2703
01:59:06,720 --> 01:59:08,920
Speaker 2: act like you've been there before, and like the defense

2704
01:59:09,160 --> 01:59:10,400
Speaker 2: celebrated after every play.

2705
01:59:10,440 --> 01:59:13,080
Speaker 5: We'd never have p well, they celebrated after every play

2706
01:59:13,120 --> 01:59:15,040
Speaker 5: in that late that late team period.

2707
01:59:15,080 --> 01:59:15,520
Speaker 2: Okay, but.

2708
01:59:17,800 --> 01:59:19,640
Speaker 5: I think it was because of what you said, though,

2709
01:59:19,960 --> 01:59:23,680
Speaker 5: I think it was a response to the offenses. The

2710
01:59:23,760 --> 01:59:25,960
Speaker 5: defense got jacked up a little bit.

2711
01:59:26,080 --> 01:59:32,720
Speaker 2: We're wasting time, you guys. It's frustrating. And this is

2712
01:59:32,720 --> 01:59:37,240
Speaker 2: what this is why I go back too focusing on defense.

2713
01:59:37,640 --> 01:59:42,520
Speaker 2: Let's focus on getting this team buttoned up in all aspects,

2714
01:59:43,320 --> 01:59:44,240
Speaker 2: In all aspects.

2715
01:59:44,360 --> 01:59:46,760
Speaker 10: It is interesting how little special teams they've done.

2716
01:59:47,240 --> 01:59:47,920
Speaker 1: I love it.

2717
01:59:47,960 --> 01:59:51,640
Speaker 9: Personally because I'm not here to watch watch kicking. But

2718
01:59:53,200 --> 01:59:56,160
Speaker 9: it's it's different. I'm not saying it's better or worse,

2719
01:59:56,400 --> 01:59:58,520
Speaker 9: but it's it's definitely different.

2720
01:59:59,400 --> 02:00:00,480
Speaker 7: What do yesterday?

2721
02:00:00,520 --> 02:00:03,280
Speaker 5: It used to always be, you know, seven on seven

2722
02:00:03,400 --> 02:00:05,120
Speaker 5: eleven on eleven special teams.

2723
02:00:05,240 --> 02:00:07,200
Speaker 2: There was always two special reset.

2724
02:00:08,640 --> 02:00:11,840
Speaker 5: Seven on seven eleven on always another special teams, and

2725
02:00:11,920 --> 02:00:14,240
Speaker 5: then they might do like the opportunity.

2726
02:00:13,680 --> 02:00:15,360
Speaker 2: Portion at the end, and then always field goal.

2727
02:00:15,640 --> 02:00:19,360
Speaker 5: Now it's only one special teams, and it's not anywhere

2728
02:00:19,440 --> 02:00:21,160
Speaker 5: near as in depth as it used to be.

2729
02:00:21,360 --> 02:00:22,680
Speaker 7: No, I just one quick point.

2730
02:00:22,720 --> 02:00:23,880
Speaker 8: I know we're gonna end, but I just thought they

2731
02:00:23,920 --> 02:00:26,480
Speaker 8: did some kickoff yesterday. I thought, or kickoff return. I

2732
02:00:26,520 --> 02:00:28,840
Speaker 8: thought Marcus Jones looks like a nightmare with this new setup.

2733
02:00:28,920 --> 02:00:30,080
Speaker 8: He looks like a problem.

2734
02:00:30,440 --> 02:00:32,720
Speaker 5: So I just looked at it and I watched there

2735
02:00:32,800 --> 02:00:35,600
Speaker 5: was like six guys that handled the kickoff, and I said,

2736
02:00:37,400 --> 02:00:40,320
Speaker 5: anybody but him handling a kick is a mistake. That's

2737
02:00:40,400 --> 02:00:42,600
Speaker 5: how different it looks when he has the ball. I

2738
02:00:42,680 --> 02:00:45,600
Speaker 5: think he's Devin Hester. I think he's that much of

2739
02:00:45,680 --> 02:00:47,800
Speaker 5: a difference maker. And as a return guy.

2740
02:00:47,680 --> 02:00:49,720
Speaker 8: You see the I mean they wait and it's there's

2741
02:00:49,760 --> 02:00:52,520
Speaker 8: a gap and you've got some you got some time

2742
02:00:52,600 --> 02:00:55,480
Speaker 8: to maneuver. It's not eleven guys charging down at different

2743
02:00:55,520 --> 02:00:56,360
Speaker 8: angles and it's hard.

2744
02:00:56,400 --> 02:00:57,960
Speaker 2: Going to kick into that. They're all going to kick

2745
02:00:57,960 --> 02:00:58,200
Speaker 2: it out.

2746
02:00:59,760 --> 02:01:01,680
Speaker 5: Would if that becomes any kind of a problem in

2747
02:01:01,720 --> 02:01:03,960
Speaker 5: the first week or so, everybody's just gonna kick. Like

2748
02:01:04,120 --> 02:01:07,680
Speaker 5: the NFL thinks they're so clever with this nonsense. There's

2749
02:01:07,720 --> 02:01:10,040
Speaker 5: such an easy way of all touchbacks after week three.

2750
02:01:10,080 --> 02:01:11,640
Speaker 2: Right, all right, that's going to be it for this

2751
02:01:11,840 --> 02:01:15,200
Speaker 2: edition of Patriots Unfiltered. We will be back on Thursday

2752
02:01:15,320 --> 02:01:19,920
Speaker 2: at one thirty. Practice tomorrow, so be on Patriots dot

2753
02:01:20,160 --> 02:01:23,000
Speaker 2: not tomorrow. I'm sorry. No practice day Tuesday, Yeah, yeah,

2754
02:01:23,040 --> 02:01:26,600
Speaker 2: no practice, No practice tomorrow. Practicesday on Thursday. Won't be

2755
02:01:26,680 --> 02:01:29,560
Speaker 2: in pads though, but we'll have everything that happened on

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