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Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversation. I am your host, Rashaan McDonald.

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Speaker 1: It's time to stop reading other people's success stories and

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Speaker 1: really start writing your own. Now you can be motivated

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Speaker 1: His name is Kirk Franklin. He is a six time

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Speaker 1: Grammy Award winning artist, songwriter, and producer. His latest album

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Speaker 1: He's going to show to discuss something I'm excited to

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Speaker 1: talking to about his new podcast, Good Words with Kurt

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Speaker 1: That's the date, everybody where. He's in conjunction with Sony

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Speaker 1: Music Entertainment dropping Good Words with Kurt Franklin on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Please welcome to the Money Making Conversation. He's my good friend.

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Speaker 1: He's been in my life man since ninety four. I'm

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Speaker 1: from Houston, Texas. He's up in that Dallas, Dallas Folk

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Speaker 4: Boy.

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Speaker 3: Please welcome Kurt Franklin. How you doing, Kurt.

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Speaker 4: K. How you're doing man?

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Speaker 1: Well, welcome to my new studio, KURK. I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: do it, man, I'm trying to step up man in

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, you know I Man, you look good, brother,

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Speaker 4: you look good. You got a little flex up in that.

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Speaker 3: How you been doing man?

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Speaker 1: You know we're coming out of twenty twenty going into

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. We talk about new podcasts, but let's

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Speaker 1: how did it impact your family and the people who

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Speaker 5: Well, once again, man, so honored to see you and

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Speaker 5: so proud to see you continue to just really make impact,

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Speaker 1: But I am a believer, and I think I'm one

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Speaker 1: I got another show working with a business manager, stephen

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Speaker 3: Absolutely good words. What does that mean?

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Speaker 1: Good words? With Kurt Franklin. That's the podcast what does

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Speaker 5: There's just so many bad ones that are out There

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Speaker 3: In their well, you know, the beauty of this conversation.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've seen you so many levels of greatness,

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Speaker 1: and then you got your own channel, you know, and

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Speaker 1: music Chaunt. So why podcast, mister Franklin, You know you

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Speaker 1: got all these other ways to communicate social media.

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Speaker 3: You're a giant.

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Speaker 1: Okay, music, you're a giant, got your own music, chaunt.

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Speaker 5: It's just another extension of communication. It is just continuing

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Speaker 5: I listened to everything. I am a student of the craft.

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Speaker 1: You know, here's the funny part about my get in

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, when when we look at good Words

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Speaker 3: I didn't realize you wrote that song. He said, yeah,

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Speaker 5: Would have never would have never seen that coming.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I saw the sory that rants came

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Speaker 1: into my life on BT Celebration of Gospels. You know

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Speaker 1: Steve Harvin, that was there every year with you guys,

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Speaker 1: and it was all he performed it on stage with you,

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Speaker 1: and that was.

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Speaker 3: The first time I heard it.

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Speaker 1: Is it's something magical because we hear music a lot,

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Speaker 1: but when you hear a song from the very first

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Speaker 1: word and it stays with you, and it builds with you,

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Speaker 1: and it takes you through these emotional up and downs.

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Speaker 1: And at the end of that song, when I heard

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Speaker 1: it live and Los Angeles doing that tape, I was

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Speaker 1: in tears, and it wasn't a negative tearing. It was

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Speaker 1: a positivity of of an awakening side of yourself.

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Speaker 3: Because I'll just tell you someth Kurt.

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Speaker 1: When I talk to you, man, it's always you know,

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Speaker 1: you're such a gifted young man.

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Speaker 3: And I say young because I'm older than you.

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Speaker 1: And I say that because sometimes you're so humble that

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Speaker 1: the impact you make on people of all ages needs

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Speaker 1: to be, in some words, glorified, because you change people,

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Speaker 1: You change the way I get up. You change with

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Speaker 1: my family, impacts my wife. She goes to church. I

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Speaker 1: don't you know, my daughter goes to church and so.

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Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean I failed to believe in God lesser.

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Speaker 1: But I know that the story I'm trying to get

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Speaker 1: you allow me to tell it my way, And that's

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Speaker 1: what you're doing with I believe when you dropping this

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Speaker 1: podcast good Words with Kurt Franklin, you're it's just another

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Speaker 1: expression of communication, like you saying, reaching people and telling

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Speaker 1: them your story and then sharing other stories, kind of

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Speaker 1: like what I'm doing with money making conversations.

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Speaker 3: I'm allow to talk a.

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Speaker 1: Story, but in this lane, and that's really important, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: Kirk exactly, and thank you again.

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Speaker 5: And I'm just extremely appreciative to be able to be

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Speaker 5: part of just a fragment of the journey that people's

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Speaker 5: lives continue to take them on and that the music

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Speaker 5: has allowed them to be able to see a greater

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Speaker 5: God in the midst of some of the deepest and

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Speaker 5: darkest days that they may go through. And even with

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Speaker 5: the podcast, it is there needs to be so many

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Speaker 5: different conversations that can happen at the same time that

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Speaker 5: every platform does not give you the freedom to have

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Speaker 5: that conversation.

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Speaker 4: Where there may be more intellectual.

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Speaker 5: Conversations that can happen through the podcast, there may be

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Speaker 5: a lot more foolishness that I can have fun with

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Speaker 5: and enjoy during the podcast. And so it just gives

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Speaker 5: you a liberty that you don't have on stage. It

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Speaker 5: gives you liberty then you don't have in a recording studio.

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Speaker 5: You are being able to now engage a different side

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Speaker 5: of a person's life that they did not really see

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Speaker 5: their faith there because you know, some people's faith a

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Speaker 5: lot of times it's still like a spare time. It's

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Speaker 5: something that they pull they something they pull out when

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Speaker 5: they need it, and it's not the fabric of their

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Speaker 5: daily existence. So they get frustrated when they see it

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Speaker 5: not work. And someone's like, well, where is God? God

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Speaker 5: don't work?

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Speaker 4: I don't see it in this life.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's very difficult to be able to tap into

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Speaker 5: what God is and what he will do if it's

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Speaker 5: only a none one one situation that he continues to

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Speaker 5: be postured in when it comes to your life. And

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Speaker 5: so hopefully even good words will let you hear from

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Speaker 5: other people that you don't see in church all the time.

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Speaker 4: You don't see in church platform give you a lens.

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Speaker 5: Of where they are the good, the bad, the ugly

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Speaker 5: in their life and where God has stood in with Wow.

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Speaker 1: So last year because of the pandemic, you couldn't do

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Speaker 1: your audor festival.

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Speaker 3: How we look at this year?

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Speaker 1: I know there's Texas, that's where you're based with the festival.

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Speaker 3: How is it looking at something you produce that you booked?

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Speaker 1: It's all out of your production company, which I love

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Speaker 1: to talk about. We talked about that last time, becoming

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Speaker 1: a true entrepreneur, controlling your destiny. How does it look

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Speaker 1: for twenty twenty one?

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Speaker 5: Oh man, you know we will see where God leaves

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Speaker 5: I have learned in my time on this earth, you know,

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Speaker 5: while I'm while I'm visiting, is that you can make

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Speaker 5: the plans, but God at times last, you know, And

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Speaker 5: so you have to make sure that you are surrendering

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Speaker 5: your dreams and making sure that each Because here's the

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Speaker 5: thing that I.

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Speaker 4: Really believe about my faith.

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Speaker 5: And again, I'm not on your shore to try to proselytize.

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Speaker 5: I'm here because I am a product of grace, of

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Speaker 5: God's grace and mercy. That's the only reason why I

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Speaker 5: get to be part of great platforms like this.

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Speaker 4: You know, it is because I'm cute. Even though I

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Speaker 4: am cute, that is not what God.

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Speaker 5: But that that that that we have to understand man,

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Speaker 5: that what we believe should be transferable, That it shouldn't

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Speaker 5: be something that just stays with us and dies with us.

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Speaker 5: That it should be something that can be part of

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Speaker 5: the fragment of people's daily existence. And we haven't done

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Speaker 5: that well as people of faith. We've only made Sunday

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Speaker 5: morning and a Sunday suit the epitome of what believing is.

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Speaker 4: And so I'm hoping that with everything.

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Speaker 5: That I'm able to do whatever God caused me for

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Speaker 5: this year is that I want to make sure that

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Speaker 5: my dreams are our distractions, and so that the only

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Speaker 5: way to know how to do that is to take

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Speaker 5: my dreams and filter them through my faith.

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Speaker 3: We know the interesting little shift here.

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Speaker 1: Melanie Holt was on my show recently and she hosts

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Speaker 1: a show call Behind every Man and you on the

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Speaker 1: show and it was and you know, I get I

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Speaker 1: get access to everything now, you know, I'm moving up

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Speaker 1: in the food Chaine, not Kurt. You know they get

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Speaker 1: l ely before everybody and everything. Now you're on that

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Speaker 1: with your your beautiful wife. Just like I mentioned my

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Speaker 1: wife and how important she is to me, how I

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Speaker 1: was important to do a show like that because Behind

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Speaker 1: every Man tells her story and the impact that she

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Speaker 1: has on your life and else you have on your

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Speaker 1: life and the faith as well. Why was it important

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Speaker 1: to do that show with your wife?

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Speaker 5: Well, it was just important for me for people to

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Speaker 5: get a chance, like I'm always looking for moments to

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Speaker 5: showcase and celebrate this incredible woman who has always lifted

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Speaker 5: me up, and everybody, uh not at all times, got

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Speaker 5: a chance to see Tammy, and I want to be

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Speaker 5: able to celebrate her when when there's a platform that

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Speaker 5: comes my way is because I want people to understand.

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Speaker 4: That I am what I am because of her.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 5: It is God using her as the conduit that that

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Speaker 5: that all his blessings flow. Because if I was a

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Speaker 5: single man, I probably would not be the most integral

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Speaker 5: or the most responsible because I would probably still be

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Speaker 5: doing with single man at times do and so a

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Speaker 5: lot of times when you live that life, you are

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Speaker 5: blocking the conversation and the covering that God wants to

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Speaker 5: give us, because He's not going to give you the

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Speaker 5: keys to something that you're going to drive into a wall.

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Speaker 3: Wow. Good works with good words with pop with Kirk Franklin.

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Speaker 1: That's right, just on podcast platforms including the Apple, Spotify, Stitcher.

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Speaker 3: Kirk, thank you for coming on the show man.

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Speaker 1: You know, I always appreciate your man taking the time

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Speaker 1: to talk to Rashan McDonald man because I know you

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Speaker 1: busy man.

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Speaker 3: I'm just trying to I'm just trying.

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Speaker 4: To be a family.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: But you more than that, man, you inspire and that's

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Speaker 1: why whenever you come on this stri I got to

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Speaker 1: remind you.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: You know, I know people look at me as being

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Speaker 1: very successful, but behind that success and like I said,

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Speaker 1: in a certain situation, there is a good woman, but

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Speaker 1: they're also good friends.

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Speaker 3: And uh and your friend.

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Speaker 1: And I know that your music may you may not

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Speaker 1: be talking to me as an individual, but brother, you've saved.

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Speaker 3: Me a many a day. Man.

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Speaker 1: You've saved me when I'm on the road and didn't

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Speaker 1: know where to go. You've saved me when I've been

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Speaker 1: down and thought I was the only person in this world.

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Speaker 1: You've saved me when I've been successful. You've saved me.

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Speaker 1: And a lot of people say successful, how can you

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Speaker 1: save you? Because sometimes you need direction when you're successful,

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Speaker 1: because you don't have nowhere to turn. And so that's

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Speaker 1: the layers of life that you've given me. Since you've

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Speaker 1: been into my life, been in my life, and I've

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Speaker 1: been there. We've done TV shows together, we've done concerts together,

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Speaker 1: we've done radio shows together. So I know the relationship

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Speaker 1: we have is beyond just music. And thank you again

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Speaker 1: for coming the money making conversation man, and again good

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Speaker 4: You love you brother, love you too, King, if you talk.

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Speaker 1: see you soon, brother.

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