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Speaker 1: To the Black Guy Who Tips podcast. I listened because

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Speaker 1: Rotten and Karen are hot.

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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to the Blackouts podcast. I'm your host, rod

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Speaker 2: joined us always want my co.

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Speaker 1: Host Karen, and we're live.

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Speaker 2: On a Sunday morning. We are okay, it is it's

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Speaker 2: early in the morning. I'm drinking coffee, I'm drinking tea.

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Speaker 2: People got Pajamason, like this is this is early morning podcasts.

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Speaker 3: Y'all.

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Speaker 4: Y'all missed a warm up. See, you need to be

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Speaker 4: in a chat.

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Speaker 1: You need to be in a chat room.

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Speaker 2: Because so this isn't already my favorite part so far

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Speaker 2: as he made the podcast. So if you're listening on Spotify,

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Speaker 2: you late. Okay, But we have a guest here. We're

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Speaker 2: not here by ourselves. We have a comedian, Liz Glazer

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Speaker 2: of former tenured law professor and.

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Speaker 1: Comedian and comedian now through with the degree, winner.

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Speaker 2: Of the Boston Comedy Festival, like just hanging out with us.

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Speaker 2: We were mutually acquainted to Mike Mike Kaplan. Shout to

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Speaker 2: Mike love yes, thank you, and I want to say, hey,

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Speaker 2: how you doing Liz?

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Speaker 5: Oh Hi, both of you. It's so nice to be here.

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Speaker 6: I was at first when when you were pulling up

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Speaker 6: the drinks, I was going to be like, and this

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Speaker 1: We started out, let's go I need to get.

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Speaker 6: You can't see right exactly. It's like a very full

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Speaker 6: blast of water. At least that's how I see it.

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Speaker 6: That's my perspective on the world. But you know whatever

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Speaker 6: that I'm better mass of vodka half empty or half

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Speaker 6: fault anyway. I yeah, all what you said is true.

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Speaker 6: I like, I've got a bunch of degrees. And then

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Speaker 6: I became a comedian, so now they're just props basically,

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Speaker 6: you know, I uh yeah, it's all.

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Speaker 5: It's all true, and you know, be to talk about it.

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Speaker 6: Then, you know, there was an article in the Wall

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Speaker 6: Street Journal that kind of like which I say again,

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Speaker 6: I just feel like on this whole thing, I'm just

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Speaker 6: like inadvertently bragging. And I really don't mean pajamas. Now

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Speaker 6: she's on with the Wall Street Journal, But I say

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Speaker 6: it just because for information if anybody cares there there

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Speaker 6: was an article about me and my trajectory and comedy

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Speaker 6: and stuff like that, and so I literally just offer

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Speaker 6: that in case anybody is interested. But also I'm happy

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Speaker 6: to like talk about my life story day in and

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Speaker 4: Well, I care.

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Speaker 3: I want you to know that matters to me, because

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Speaker 3: I tell anybody, if I get a bunch of degrees

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Speaker 3: with a whole bunch of alphabets behind it, in half

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Speaker 3: of the people don't know what it is, everybody's going

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Speaker 3: to know I got all the links of the alphabets.

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Speaker 4: Because you earned it and you worked for it. How

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Speaker 4: did your family ahead?

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Speaker 5: Oh no, no, no, I want to hear you.

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Speaker 4: No, how did your family handle it? You go, I

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Speaker 4: got these degrees? Guess what now I'm gonna make jokes

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Speaker 5: Like, you know, I think like they're good with it now.

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Speaker 6: And when I first like, like, honestly, so I I

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Speaker 6: you know, like a coming out process where it was

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Speaker 6: were you like acting, or like, what do you think

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Speaker 5: It's my truth. You'll believe you like I was a dressmaker.

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Speaker 6: Both cases, I mean, I think I think it's a

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Speaker 6: I truly I don't think I am, but I really

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Speaker 5: So it's been a good year.

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Speaker 6: Like I won the Boston Comedy Festival, I won the

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Speaker 6: Ladies of Laughter competition. This Wall Street Journal article comes out,

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Speaker 5: So you know it's amazing.

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Speaker 6: I also, I mean, I think I got a clear

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Speaker 6: So anyway, but I'm you know, I'm away for the

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Speaker 2: And I think gratefulness is like a practice and it's

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Speaker 2: also because you're like, I'm lucky this happened to me,

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Speaker 2: But it is that like fine line of walk that

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, that's so true. I really relate to that,

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Speaker 6: I do journaling every day, and that's something that I

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Speaker 6: Reason, I also started journaling at that time, and that

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Speaker 6: over time really has instilled kind of an inadvertent gratitude

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Speaker 6: practice for me, where it's not like I specifically go

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Speaker 6: but sometimes when I'm journaling, yeah, and I'm seeing in

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Speaker 6: the comments, Yeah, that journaling sta in my life.

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Speaker 5: I really think it did.

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Speaker 6: And Julia Cameron in The Artists' Way says this that

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Speaker 6: amount of time, and I'm paraphrasing, like a breakthrough will emerge.

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Speaker 6: And it's kind of like like again, all I'm just

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Speaker 5: You don't want to lie to yourself, but you kind

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Speaker 6: And it takes a little while to sort of like

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Speaker 6: you know what, this is how I'm really feeling as

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Speaker 6: opposed to ways that you're like, well this was fine

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Speaker 6: in a household of children, but there at Lacrosse, so it's.

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Speaker 5: Exactly. But anyway, so.

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Speaker 5: But anyway, do.

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Speaker 3: You think that social media and the way the world

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Speaker 3: causes us to lie to ourselves even in our own writing,

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Speaker 4: Lying because they're lying, And how dare you don't really

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Speaker 3: When when you like, I really this is my true opinion.

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Speaker 3: It's a constant battle.

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Speaker 1: So and I guess a journal you don't have to worry.

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Speaker 2: World is reading a journal, right, So at some point

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Speaker 5: I wish they did.

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Speaker 1: It's like there's some good stuff here, good stuff. Guys. Fine,

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Speaker 6: You know what, I'll just put it in the chat

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Speaker 6: like I imagine that there's something that predates social media in

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Speaker 6: but like, yeah, I think that's a really interesting and

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Speaker 6: good point about social media sort of conditioning us, maybe,

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Speaker 6: that in maybe unproductive ways in terms of like getting

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Speaker 6: that's that's really interesting. And I'm not sure.

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Speaker 5: You know, I yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 6: I don't know that I have like any specific stories

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Speaker 6: like related to like social media and lying for me.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, I think that's that's possible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's interesting because like we're encouraged through

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Speaker 5: It was very sweet. You know. I definitely wasn't doing

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Speaker 5: What are you kidding? Like I planned a whole class.

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Speaker 2: But you can't get heckled during class, which is like

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And it's honestly I think that, like I guess, yeah,

442
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 6: that's true. You can't get technical heckles and people people

443
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,679
Speaker 6: do raise their hands, but sometimes they don't. And you know,

444
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 6: there's definitely ways of just like things being distracting class.

445
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 6: But honestly, like I I've had situations with hecklers. I

446
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 6: used to have show when I first was doing comedy

447
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 6: where people were encouraged to heckle from the audience, because

448
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 6: I really like, when I first started comedy, I just

449
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 6: was like, well, why just because I have the microphone,

450
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 6: is it the case that I need to dominate the show?

451
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 6: And I just was like, what about letting the audience speak?

452
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 6: And I don't know that I agree that that's a

453
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:15,400
Speaker 6: good idea anymore. However, it was an honest beginning because

454
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:21,360
Speaker 6: I think for me, if I'm not like command attention,

455
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 6: then I don't want to demand attention. And that's something

456
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 6: that I really thought about a lot when I was teaching,

457
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 6: because you know, we didn't have heclos but we did

458
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Speaker 6: have internet.

459
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,919
Speaker 5: And people's laptops right in front.

460
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Speaker 6: Of them, because that's like, you know, at least I

461
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Speaker 6: think it's probably how all school happens now, or at

462
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 6: least a lot of school, but then you know, it

463
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Speaker 6: was sort of.

464
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Speaker 5: Like just higher education, I don't know whatever.

465
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Speaker 6: And I remember I used to have this, like I

466
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Speaker 6: guess it was a bit in class about like computer face,

467
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 6: which is the face that students would have when like

468
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Speaker 6: they're sending a DM and and they're like, oh my god,

469
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 6: this is so clever, and it's like I would catch

470
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 6: them and I'm like can you stop or read it

471
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 6: loud or whatever?

472
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 5: How did you know?

473
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Speaker 6: And I'm like, you have computers. They're like wearing glasses,

474
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 6: Like how do she know what I'm doing? I'm like,

475
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 6: it's written all over you. Yeah, and so the students

476
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 6: thought that that was like a funny.

477
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Speaker 5: Bit or whatever.

478
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 6: But anyway, it's kind of like my thought was, oh, yeah,

479
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 6: a prop Corey. It sounds like it sounds like her

480
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 6: professor too, so maybe are familiar with computer.

481
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Speaker 5: Face and so yeah.

482
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Speaker 6: I but I, like a lot of my colleagues, I

483
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 6: remember that we would have these debates about like should

484
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Speaker 6: we turn the internet off in the classroom or not?

485
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Speaker 6: And I just was like, I don't think so, like,

486
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 6: just become better and more entertaining is like another And

487
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 6: maybe I just was like wanting to challenge myself or

488
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 6: whatever it was, but I really just thought, like I

489
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 6: think that turning the internet off seems like annoying, yeah,

490
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Speaker 6: and artificial. And I'm like, I've been in class where

491
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 6: sometimes I'm like, no, I need to pay a bill

492
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Speaker 6: right now, and I can tell that it's like a

493
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 6: moment of a law and that's okay, you know, like

494
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Speaker 6: I just don't think that that's so bad.

495
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 5: But anyway, maybe that's trust me.

496
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Speaker 2: Well, school school is kind of weird at that level

497
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Speaker 2: of college because like, technically the customer is the student,

498
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Speaker 2: you know what.

499
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Speaker 1: I but but like it's this relationship where.

500
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Speaker 2: You know the teacher is the one that you know

501
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 2: has authority, right, and it can kind of reach like

502
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 2: I always and there's different schools of thoughts, but I

503
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 2: remember when I was in college, my favorite professors were

504
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 2: the ones that treated it like, listen, if you want

505
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 2: to come in here and be on the internet the

506
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 2: whole time, that's your money, wasting your money. I'm gonna

507
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 2: teach my class. If you were interested in learning, you're

508
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 2: gonna learn.

509
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 4: But you paid for this, so you.

510
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think that's true.

511
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 6: I agree with that, and like I just like I

512
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 6: don't like I never did just the sort of microanaging

513
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 6: aspect of anything.

514
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 5: I'm just like you do you.

515
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 6: I know why I'm here and it would be great

516
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 6: to connect with you, But if you don't want to,

517
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 6: then like that's that's just you know, I got to

518
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 6: figure out how to do my thing and also create

519
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 6: a situation where everybody else in the room is like

520
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 6: getting what they want and need out of it, and

521
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 6: if you don't want to be a part of it,

522
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 6: then that's okay. Like you're going through your own stuff.

523
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 6: And I think that like, you know, my like the

524
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 6: the experiences that I've had with Heckler's kind of track

525
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 6: that because like I've had situations where like a heckler

526
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 6: will say something and like you know, I've had I've

527
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 6: had like somebody be like, are you a boy or

528
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 6: a girl? Like I'm a heckle, and I'm just like,

529
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 6: you know what, let's talk about it, and now I

530
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,239
Speaker 6: have a bit about being misgendered, and it's just like

531
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 6: it's it's I just like I don't usually to say

532
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 6: that they don't have the ability to get annoyed.

533
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 5: I definitely do.

534
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 6: But I feel like nine times out of ten there

535
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 6: was no survey and the numbers don't matter, but like

536
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 6: nine times out of ten, I think that when somebody

537
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 6: like heckles, it's really just like they might be drunk,

538
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 6: they might be tired, they had a bad day, and

539
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 6: it's like I don't need to like shame you for heckling,

540
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 6: because I think that's like a less interesting response than

541
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 6: sometimes it's if it's the level of distraction, everybody heard

542
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 6: the heckle, let's just make it a part of the show.

543
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 6: And I think that, like, you know, I've had situations

544
00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 6: where that's been successful and and I don't like destroy

545
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 6: a heckler, you know what I mean. It's more just

546
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 6: like like comedian loves a heckler.

547
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 5: Whatever. I don't know how.

548
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: Long how long have you been doing stand up?

549
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 5: So it's what is.

550
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 6: It I mean with this past year time, you know whatever.

551
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 6: I did a lot of Zoom, so I didn't count

552
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 6: the year, but like I started in March of twenty thirteen,

553
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 6: and so it's like eight plus basically.

554
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: Okay, And so.

555
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 2: You had this time before the pandemic and you know

556
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 2: obviously hecklers and all that stuff. But in like in

557
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 2: the pandemic with Zoom, yeah, there is there like no heckling,

558
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: is there? Like is do people turn their mics on

559
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 2: to say stuff the heckle.

560
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 5: Or I've had that?

561
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think the thing with Zoom is,

562
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Speaker 6: at least in my experience and I've done I've done

563
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 6: a lot of Zoom comedy, so like I feel like

564
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 6: I can speak to it. But it's more that there's

565
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 6: sort of an Internet troll aspect to the heckling where

566
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 6: it's not like the heckler is engaging directly with any

567
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 6: one person, you know what I mean. It's just like, Hi,

568
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 6: I came here to like say some slurs and be

569
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 6: weird until someone like reakes me off the call. But

570
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 6: it's not it's like and that can be upsetting. I

571
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 6: can totally under I mean, it's definitely distracting and upsetting,

572
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 6: but it's also.

573
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 5: Like it's so generalized. It seems that it's a little bit.

574
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 6: Like, Okay, so this person is just like a weird troll,

575
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 6: not like they're doing anything specifically to any one comedian, right.

576
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 2: Because also like in real life, if someone heckles, that

577
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 2: means they probably paid for a ticket to.

578
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: Be It's a physical thing.

579
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Speaker 2: We my friend Dominic, he has a podcast that I

580
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 2: was a guest on, and he had a zoom link.

581
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: That he like, you know, was like hey, everyone, come

582
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: check this out.

583
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,719
Speaker 2: And so I made the mistake of sharing it on Twitter,

584
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: which I thought would be fine but obviously now in

585
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: hindsight mistake. But uh so I shared the link, and

586
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 2: then of course there's somehow there's just people randomly on

587
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 2: Twitter that see zoom links and they just running to

588
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 2: just jump into Some guy was just like on the

589
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 2: zoom like yelling and in his car and like yelling

590
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 2: at everybody, and we did like just start laughing at

591
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 2: it because it was so ridiculous.

592
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: But it was that thing where I was like, man,

593
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: that that would.

594
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 2: Be really off putting in It's like it's off putting

595
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 2: in a different way than even being in the.

596
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 5: Same room with someone, right, correct, Yeah, I think so?

597
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 6: And so yeah, so I haven't had, you know, or

598
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 6: at least none that come to mind, like situations where

599
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 6: it's anything more than what feels like a virus coming

600
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 6: into your computer.

601
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 5: Like that's really phenomenon of it on zoom.

602
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 2: You know, what's it like participating in a comedy festival

603
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: and like, how in my mind is so it's weird

604
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: to be like you were the second funniest, you were

605
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,959
Speaker 2: the first, ye the fourth funniest. But obviously they're doing this,

606
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 2: they're doing it every year, So like is this something

607
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 2: you get up for, like like athletics, like I'm oh

608
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 2: my god, or is it something where you're like, I'm

609
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: gonna just do my best and and maybe they'll think

610
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 2: I'm funnier than everyone.

611
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean that's a really interesting question too.

612
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 6: And one thing I just want to say from it

613
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 6: was like a couple of questions ago when we were

614
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 6: talking about the Internet and facade. But it's it's related

615
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 6: to the competition aspect, like when I won Boston, I

616
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 6: posted about it because you do.

617
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: Right, of course, but also.

618
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 6: I made sure and this is true to include the

619
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 6: rejection email from the Boston Comedy Festival from the year prior.

620
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Speaker 6: So I won in twenty twenty and I was rejected

621
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Speaker 6: completely from the festival, not even allowed to compete in

622
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Speaker 6: twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 5: And so I do try. I don't mean this like, oh,

624
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 5: I'm so good.

625
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 6: At like being real on the internet, but I think

626
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 6: that like I do try, you know, especially when there's

627
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 6: something that's like big and good to be like, listen,

628
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 6: this is my journey to it, because I say, that's

629
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 6: how I perceive social media to like I don't know

630
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 6: if like anybody wants to see my journal pages on

631
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 6: social media. I feel like that's sort of the other

632
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 6: end of a spectrum where it's like okay.

633
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 5: Like you know, the eating the cheesecake at three in

634
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 5: the morning. It's like it's not that we don't accept

635
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 5: that you.

636
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 6: Do that or I do that, but it's like is

637
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 6: it worthy of a post? You know, yeah, right, But

638
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 6: once something happens that's like a big deal. I do

639
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 6: like to share that, like the other thing was there's

640
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 6: this show in LA It's called Hot Tub and it's

641
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 6: like this big to do.

642
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 5: It's you know, something that like, you know, it's a

643
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 5: good show.

644
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 6: And I was recommended by a friend by Mike actually

645
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 6: four years ago to that show.

646
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 5: Emailed them a clip.

647
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 6: They wrote back four years ago, sorry, we don't have

648
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 6: space for you on the show.

649
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 5: And then wrote back every.

650
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Speaker 6: Year for four years until this year being the first

651
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 6: that I got another response back saying you could be

652
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 6: on the show. So when I posted the flyer for

653
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 6: the show, I also said I've been emailing my tape

654
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 6: for four years and now I'm on it.

655
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Speaker 5: And so I do try.

656
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 6: And like be mindful when I'm posting about a success

657
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 6: to also be like like just because you know, it's

658
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 6: not like anybody's looking at my social media for anything necessarily,

659
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, right, But persistence is key,

660
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 6: and to the extent that there's like let's say a

661
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Speaker 6: younger comedian or you know, a person at a job

662
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 6: and they want to do comedy, but maybe they don't know.

663
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 6: And I'm like, listen, if there's an opportunity for somebody

664
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 6: to see some inspiration, I'm just telling you what happened.

665
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 6: I'm not saying it's necessarily you know, but it's just

666
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 6: like here, here are the receipts, Like you want to

667
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 6: see the email where I got rejected?

668
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 5: Here you go.

669
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 6: So anyway, but then that was related because you asked

670
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 6: specifically about comedy competitions, and I think you're right to

671
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 6: ask about it because it's such a particular thing, like

672
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 6: and it's it's like I think it makes me. I

673
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 6: like doing them from time to time. I don't like

674
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 6: doing them all the time. Like if I just do

675
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 6: a competition, then there's like, well, now there's this other one.

676
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 6: I'm like, nope, I don't want to do it, but

677
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 6: just because I think they can be valuable, right to

678
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 6: kind of as a jumping off point for a longer set.

679
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 6: And so it's like if you can get your set

680
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 6: to like the five minutes, that will win you a contest.

681
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 6: And of course then the footnote is like, well, how's

682
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 6: the contest being judged? And you know whatever, Okay, fine,

683
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 6: so we could have that conversation, which you know, I

684
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 6: don't know how interesting that is, but like I'm just saying,

685
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 6: I get that's the way I'm a lawyer, is like

686
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 6: I'll say something and I'm like, I understand people they're like.

687
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 1: That, I get it.

688
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 6: But I do think that in terms of the training,

689
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 6: like you were just asking about, you know, yeah, like

690
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 6: I just had like a big audition type thing for

691
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 6: a comedy thing was a six minute tight set and

692
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 6: it was in person, and I hadn't been in person

693
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 6: for you know, the whole pandemic. And it happened that

694
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 6: I got the notice about you know, oh you're gonna

695
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 6: have disappointment to do it the day that I was

696
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,720
Speaker 6: two weeks post vaccination. So I was like, Okay, great,

697
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 6: now it's go time. And I did thirty eight in

698
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 6: person shows to Earth in person sets to prep for

699
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 6: this one. And so that's the thing that I like about,

700
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 6: you know, these high stakes, sort of overtly competitive comedy things,

701
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,760
Speaker 6: is it's like, let me get my jokes tight enough

702
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 6: that I can really I mean, you never know how

703
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 6: it's gonna go, but you can always control how you prepare.

704
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 6: And so, you know, yeah, I approach it athletically. Not

705
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 6: that I'm athletic. I'm not like if I you know,

706
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 6: I like to watch movies where people are like like

707
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 6: that's the kind of thing that gets me crying, and yes,

708
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 6: make the process work for you, but like, you know,

709
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 6: I'm more likely to cry in a movie when somebody

710
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 6: who's like, you know, not supposed.

711
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 5: To win win.

712
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 6: I love that, Yeah, I think, I mean, I get,

713
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 6: you know, it's like they make movies like that all

714
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 6: the time.

715
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 5: There's got to be a reason.

716
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 6: But it's like I will cry through the training montage,

717
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying.

718
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 1: I don't even matter what it's. It don't even matter.

719
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 2: It could be like it could be like lean on

720
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 2: me when they were like prepping for the school test.

721
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, just like I'm rooting for you little motherfuckers get

722
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: to see or whatever it takes.

723
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, because that's the thing.

724
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 6: And like I think sometimes, I mean, I guess, you know,

725
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 6: social media, maybe this is arguably like a good part

726
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 6: of social media. I think that it's allowed people to

727
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 6: think of themselves more as like protagonists in.

728
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 5: Their own movie or television show or whatever.

729
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 6: And I think that can be nauseating, right because then

730
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 6: it's like to the extent that then you think.

731
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 5: You're always on or you're always performing. That's annoying.

732
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 6: But I think the good part of it is, well,

733
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 6: if you think of yourself as like a hero in

734
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 6: your own story in a good way.

735
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 5: Then could you use that like sort of you know, lens.

736
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 6: And the idea that somebody could be like watching not

737
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 6: necessarily every minute of your life, but the extent to

738
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 6: which you want to tell it, to watch your journey,

739
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 6: and then you become a better person, you know. And

740
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 6: so I try to think of things like that of

741
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 6: just like you know, am I if I was watching

742
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 6: me prep with those thirty eight sets or you know,

743
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 6: prep for the Boston Festival or the Ladies of Laughter

744
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 6: or whatever, just picking like recent examples, would I be

745
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 6: like crying at the movie of my own story? And

746
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 6: if the answer is yes, then that's probably good, right,

747
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 6: you know, then it's like okay, wow, I was.

748
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 2: Just like we all just need we all just need

749
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 2: better editors like that. Yes, yes it is. We just

750
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 2: need to like take like we should take our podcast

751
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: from the first episode and just take little snippets and

752
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 2: be like and look at this over the years, it's like, oh,

753
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 2: we got so much better.

754
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, well, I just I love improving.

755
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, like I just get really inspired by

756
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 6: that because I was a really bad person before, and

757
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 6: so no I mean, I guess, you know, and and

758
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 6: back to journaling, I think that that's also something you know,

759
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 6: in terms of like peeling back layers and the ways

760
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 6: that like you might be lying to yourself, or at

761
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 6: least that I was, like, I think I used to,

762
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 6: you know, just care more about I don't know, the

763
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 6: prestige of something, and it's just like like writing it

764
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 6: down and looking honestly or trying to at what I'm

765
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 6: actually doing in terms of like putting in the work,

766
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 6: like I don't know, I think that that may have

767
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 6: made me a better person.

768
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Speaker 4: And you know what, I think that's still working.

769
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 3: Yes, I think that everybody needs the trailer person, you know,

770
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 3: the people that cut the trailers for the movie in.

771
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Speaker 1: The world where for your life.

772
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Speaker 3: Where there's a lawyer who's that comedian, right, Yeah.

773
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 6: But I think it's just like everybody has the ability,

774
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 6: you know, to do that, and and you know, especially

775
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 6: like I think that really is like the sort of

776
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 6: other side of the coin with social media is like, Okay,

777
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 6: well we all have these phones and they're so great

778
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,959
Speaker 6: in terms of what kinds of content we can make

779
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 6: on them, and that can be really inspiring, you know.

780
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Speaker 5: I mean, you were playing the Bo Burnham songs before,

781
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 5: and that's.

782
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 6: Such a great example, you know of just being like wow,

783
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 6: like you can really tell a compelling story by just

784
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 6: hitting record.

785
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 8: Right is.

786
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 2: Though, because like I found out that I was a

787
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 2: fan of him after I watched that, because then someone

788
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 2: pointed out he was in eighth grade and uh, I'm

789
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 2: drawing a blank on the Amazon movie. So yeah, and

790
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, apparently I've been a fan of

791
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: O Burnham for a while and just didn't know that

792
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 2: apparently what is He's super famous for his YouTube And

793
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,720
Speaker 2: I was like, it was like finding It's like finding

794
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 2: a puzzle. People You're like, oh, oh, okay, I see

795
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 2: the puzzle. I was on the other side of the puzzle.

796
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 4: Yeah.

797
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 2: It's like how I imagine like if you had students

798
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 2: that were like, man, my professor was super funny and

799
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 2: then they see you do stand up and they're.

800
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: Like, oh see that's the thing I was. It makes

801
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:46,919
Speaker 1: sense now, you know what I mean.

802
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 5: That's very sweet.

803
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, And and I say, I mean I've had like

804
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 6: that kind of interaction with students, like since doing comedy,

805
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 6: and it's it's very grade, you know, just I don't know,

806
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 6: I think like apart from like success or anything like that,

807
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 6: it's just gratifying.

808
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 5: I think I say this about.

809
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 6: My own life, but also like watching students and watching people,

810
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 6: it's just like it's awesome when someone just kind of

811
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 6: settles into like, oh, this is your thing.

812
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the best. Yeah yeah.

813
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 2: And then also like you were, so you were in

814
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 2: school teaching law school as a professor, what did you

815
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,240
Speaker 2: practice before you become a professor?

816
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: Like what's that path?

817
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 6: Like, oh, sure, yeah, I mean so I practice for

818
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,959
Speaker 6: like just under two years, and you know, for better

819
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 6: or worse, and I really don't have like I don't

820
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 6: necessarily think it is better or worse, but like for

821
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 6: being at least this was the case, and I'm pretty

822
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 6: sure it still is.

823
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 5: But like to be you know, a ten year track academic.

824
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 6: Law school professor, it's not like they want you to

825
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 6: practice a lot, which makes maybe not that much sense

826
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 6: except for except for like there are positions in law

827
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 6: schools where people who are practicing lawyers will teach class

828
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 6: and so that's like an adjunct or a clinical professor,

829
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 6: and so there it's kind of like like I took

830
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 6: this class a couple classes when I was a student

831
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 6: in law school. One was divorce law. It was taught

832
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Speaker 6: by I went to law school in Chicago. It was

833
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 6: like a guy you know who practiced divorce law all

834
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 6: day and then taught at night at school.

835
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 5: Our class on divorce law. So that's valuable.

836
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 6: And then there was like another class on M and

837
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 6: A mergers and acquisitions, and then another like real estate business,

838
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 6: ye type of class, and those were taught by people

839
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 6: who like really lived that life and were practicing that

840
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 6: kind of stuff. And then there are other classes that

841
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 6: are kind of like more I'm gonna say traditional law

842
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 6: school classes in the sense that they're sort of you know,

843
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:05,879
Speaker 6: survey classes or this is the theoretical underpinnings of this

844
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 6: area of law. And for those classes, people generally are

845
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 6: like research professors. There are people who've like written a

846
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 6: lot and stuff like that, and they haven't practiced in

847
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 6: the sense that they weren't like working lawyers. Now some

848
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 6: of those lawyers, you know, especially like I wasn't this fancy,

849
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 6: but there are fancy law professors who were you know,

850
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 6: advisors to presidents and stuff like that. And like you

851
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 6: know where I went to law school, like Barack Obama

852
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 6: taught and you know what I mean, so it's like,

853
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 6: like that's super fancy, and also you have kind of

854
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:44,479
Speaker 6: a way that you're also practicing. But for the most part,

855
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 6: tenure track law professors are academic people who are writers essentially,

856
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 6: you know, who write these like long articles that are

857
00:45:53,160 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 6: about the theory behind the law, as opposed to being

858
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 6: in the thick of like being in like the weeds

859
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 6: of practice, which is valuable, but just like I think

860
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 6: schools see it as valuable for a different reason or

861
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 6: a different way or whatever it is. And so I

862
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 6: practiced enough time that like I got an offer to teach.

863
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 6: That was how long I practiced. And it's not to

864
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 6: say that I wouldn't have gotten better or I should have.

865
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 6: You know, it just happened how it happened. And I

866
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 6: think that, like, you know, my practice experience, to the

867
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 6: extent that I had it was valuable in the sense

868
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 6: that I taught property law, and every now and then

869
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 6: I was able to like relate some stories from being

870
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 6: a very young associate at a big New.

871
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,439
Speaker 5: York law firm the practice transactional.

872
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 6: Real estate law, which I you know, I had the

873
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 6: experience that I had, and so I was able to

874
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 6: like relate a little bit, but mostly it was a

875
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 6: class about theory of property law, you know what I mean.

876
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,280
Speaker 6: So it's kind of like it's just a totally different

877
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 6: thing from Okay, well, we're helping this client refine finance

878
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 6: their loan on a building, which is like something that

879
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 6: we might have been doing in practice, right, you know,

880
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 6: that's what I did. I mean, for the limited amount

881
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 6: of time that I did. Mostly I was just c

882
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 6: seed on emails.

883
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 2: I didn't understand, but you know, yeah, I mean it's

884
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 2: interesting because like these the way that most people see

885
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 2: lawyers in life is like really shaped by media. Like

886
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 2: I was watching this documentary How to Get Away with

887
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 2: Murder Star, and I was like, that must be what

888
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 2: law school is. No, someone gets murdered every semester, you

889
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 2: and your students solve the murder, but cover up the murder,

890
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 2: and then you know, repeat that for five to six seasons,

891
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 2: and then it goes into syndication.

892
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 1: But then I.

893
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 2: Imagine real life lawyers like like you said, I'm c

894
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 2: seed on emails, I'm reading this I'm reading this contract

895
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 2: to make sure there's nothing in it that we don't

896
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 2: want to do or whatever, which doesn't sound nearly as

897
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: flattering but I wonder how many people get into it

898
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 2: kind of because you know, of all this media that

899
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,760
Speaker 2: is like look at this cool lawyer stuff.

900
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's interesting.

901
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 6: I mean yeah, Like, first of all, I think that

902
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 6: you know, I don't know how many shows or if

903
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 6: there have been really any where it's about transactional lawyers.

904
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, it's just like.

905
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:37,240
Speaker 2: They have property, they have property brothers. We need property lawyers.

906
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: Come on, property lawyers is new? How a home network

907
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: or whatever, let's do this.

908
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:48,919
Speaker 6: It was too boring. We forgot to report. And yeah,

909
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 6: I mean like I think I think there's something to that,

910
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 6: like that, you know, the the kind of like how

911
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 6: to get Away with Murder of it all like a

912
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 6: lot sexier. And and I think the thing is that

913
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 6: something always happens right, like there's there's an event, and

914
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 6: I think that honestly that's the part of I guess

915
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 6: life really, But also like you know, law that it's

916
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 6: like sometimes like it's just doing another deal for a

917
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 6: client we've worked for for a long time, and like

918
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 6: the deal is pretty normal.

919
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 5: I don't know, you know what I mean.

920
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 6: Like, so a lot of times it's just that like

921
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 6: I feel like the most drama that ever happened to

922
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 6: me when I was in law practice was it was

923
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 6: like a relatively small deal.

924
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 5: Yes.

925
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 6: La Law was a sexy law show and the practice

926
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 6: was a good law show.

927
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I guess like.

928
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 6: Ali McBeal too, But it's like there's always got to

929
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 6: be some trial or something like that. It's like that,

930
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 6: you know, especially, I mean I wasn't a trial lawyer,

931
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 6: so that didn't happen. I guess La Law they definitely

932
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 6: had like boardroom type stuff. And you know, I didn't

933
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 6: watch the practice, so I'm not sure. Boston Legal, yes,

934
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 6: but it's always like I feel like the shows that

935
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 6: are more about the office, it's more about like who's

936
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 6: having sex with them? Yes, it is really about the law, like.

937
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 5: You know what I mean.

938
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 3: So that's the other words in the background, YadA, YadA, YadA.

939
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 2: Okay, because there's serialized shows too. You know, you're writing

940
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,240
Speaker 2: a TV show, so you need like here's our a story,

941
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 2: here's our bastory, here's our third act, and then like

942
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 2: you I just wonder how many people get in, like

943
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 2: cause that kind of stuff is always penetrating your brain,

944
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 2: Like when you're watching TV.

945
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:37,720
Speaker 1: It's just always in the background.

946
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 2: I'm sure like the fact that there's sixty cops shows

947
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 2: is probably it's probably that's why you get guys on

948
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 2: on that become cops who are just like, I'm gonna.

949
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: Beat these people up.

950
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 2: It's like they have watched people get beat up by

951
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 2: cops and that was the right thing to do in

952
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:55,479
Speaker 2: every TV show. So I wonder if, like if there's

953
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 2: some because I always and this is always obviously anecdotal,

954
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 2: but it feels like lawyers are the people that are

955
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 2: like super accomplished, get into their careers and they can

956
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 2: be really good at it.

957
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: And be like I'm gonna do something else, you know.

958
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 2: Like like listen, I'm accomplished. I know I can figure

959
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 2: this out. I've been on this path and uh, it's

960
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 2: not as sexy as as it was on TV or whatever.

961
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean right.

962
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 6: And I don't think I got into it because I

963
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 6: thought it would be sexy. I got into it because

964
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 6: my parents were like, you have to go to law school,

965
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 6: but what are we gonna do if you don't get along?

966
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: What does it say about me as your parent? If

967
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: you do?

968
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 4: I have failed?

969
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 5: Again.

970
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 6: I think it was I think it was just like fear,

971
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 6: like are you gonna be okay and that kind of thing.

972
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 5: But but I think like.

973
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 6: In terms of why lawyers leave, I don't know, but

974
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 6: I think it has something to do with that. Like

975
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 6: a lot of people go to law school because they

976
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 6: were like pretty good at writing, pretty good at being creative,

977
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 6: but maybe a little afraid of just like being a

978
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 6: poet or being people in the chat mentioned chef, and

979
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 6: so maybe they also had parents that were.

980
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,280
Speaker 5: Like, how are you gonna be okay if you're a chef?

981
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 6: And then you're like, okay, fine, mom, I'll go to

982
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 6: law school. And then you kind of like check the

983
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 6: boxes if you're a person who that's important to like

984
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 6: in your personality, as I identify with, Like, I think

985
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 6: I would have been too scared to just be like, nah,

986
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 6: I'm just gonna do comedy or I'm just gonna do

987
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 6: my own thing, and that's on me, you know what

988
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 6: I mean. Like I think if I were a brave person,

989
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 6: I might have just skipped it. And again, like you know,

990
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 6: it's not like like I wouldn't have all the lawyer

991
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 6: jokes if I didn't do it, So at the very

992
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 6: least there's that. But also I think it's like a

993
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 6: kind of creative thing. And yeah, or you could have

994
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 6: come from poor people they wanted you to be rich,

995
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 6: like the TV alert. Yeah, I think like in terms

996
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 6: of my oprand, I think there was a lot of

997
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 6: that just came here with nothing. You got to make

998
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 6: something of yourself.

999
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 5: Like that was very resonant for me.

1000
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 6: And then it's kind of like you get to a

1001
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 6: point where like, Okay, so I guess I proved I

1002
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 6: could like climb this mountain, but like maybe I don't

1003
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 6: want to be here, right, And.

1004
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 2: I think I'm also like outside of outside of like

1005
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 2: the actual practice of law and learning about law.

1006
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:27,919
Speaker 1: Just a lot of us have.

1007
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 2: Like these very weird views of law, like, uh, everyone

1008
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 2: thinks all lawyers do the same thing. You know, it's like, oh,

1009
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 2: so and so, so let me ask you this, what

1010
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 2: do you think about the Supreme Court challenge to such

1011
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 2: a such like I don't.

1012
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,280
Speaker 4: Know, like that is not my feel.

1013
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 3: You know, if there's sub sections and divisions in this area,

1014
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 3: it's not law and you do everything.

1015
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 2: I think if Clarence Thomas wants to get into property.

1016
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: Dispute, but no, I don't know, I'm not yeah, is it?

1017
00:53:59,680 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: I mean?

1018
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 2: And then I saw I think I wonder how many

1019
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 2: people go into law for like advocacy stuff too. Yeah,

1020
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 2: I really respect that.

1021
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 6: And I remember, like, you know, when I I had

1022
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 6: like experiences in law school and then in practice and

1023
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 6: also in teaching, and I think they were really instructive

1024
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,399
Speaker 6: in terms of my leaving. And I think it's also

1025
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 6: the reason that, like I do a lot of shows

1026
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 6: for law schools and lawyers and like those types of organizations,

1027
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 6: and I think it's because I have such a respect

1028
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 6: for the profession and also for like, like there was

1029
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 6: a guy I knew when I was in law school

1030
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 6: and he.

1031
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 5: Was like super passionate about it.

1032
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 6: Another person in practice, and another person when I was teaching,

1033
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 6: and I remember like seeing it's almost like, you know,

1034
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 6: the light in me sees the light in you sort

1035
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 6: of thing, and like I could see that these people

1036
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 6: were super into the thing that we were both doing

1037
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 6: at the time. But because it's like almost like I

1038
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:05,240
Speaker 6: could see their light, but I also recognize that mine

1039
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 6: was there, but maybe flickering for a different cause, right,

1040
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 6: you know what I mean? And so I was like,

1041
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 6: you love what we are doing and I don't, but

1042
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 6: I can see your love for it.

1043
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 5: And because I can see your love for it.

1044
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 6: I'm gonna dip a little bit because I can just

1045
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 6: understand that, like we just don't have it for the

1046
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 6: same stuff.

1047
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 5: And I think it's like, you know, I love the people.

1048
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 6: Who you know, I guess like similar to like loving

1049
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 6: a training montage and you know, just seeing somebody like triumph.

1050
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 6: What I really love seeing is like just somebody loving

1051
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,879
Speaker 6: what they're doing. And I think I always wanted that,

1052
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 6: and I could understand that I maybe had the capacity

1053
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 6: for it, but that what I was, what I was

1054
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 6: doing professionally wasn't quite it right, you know, And it

1055
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 6: doesn't mean that it's not quite it for other people people.

1056
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 6: I think it really can be. But anyway, so like

1057
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 6: when I when I do shows for those schools or

1058
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 6: companies or whatever I end up doing, you know, little

1059
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 6: chunks of material between all the like fast jokes about

1060
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 6: finding your.

1061
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 2: Passion right, I feel like if I feel like the

1062
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 2: passionate advocate lawyers are like, it's like super dope and

1063
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 2: how people like like we love those people in real life,

1064
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 2: but then that also means they're probably gonna be broke,

1065
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's like we don't like

1066
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 2: to pay those people, right.

1067
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, well hopefully hopefully they can get paid because I

1068
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 6: just I don't know. I mean, there's just like it's

1069
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 6: just awful the way that like certain professions just don't

1070
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 6: get it. Like just going back to my nieces, I

1071
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 6: think it's so funny because you know, they they love

1072
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 6: to play and they love to play with like like

1073
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 6: they imagine and play pretend a lot, and they play

1074
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 6: pretend about like unicorns and princesses and mermaids.

1075
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 5: And then also they're.

1076
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 6: Like you could be either a unicorn, a princess, a mermaid,

1077
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 6: or a teacher, and it's they love teacher. But then

1078
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 6: I'm just thinking, like, wow, that's so cool how much

1079
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 6: they love their teachers.

1080
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 5: Which makes sense that's who they see.

1081
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 6: But then I just think like teachers, I mean to

1082
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 6: say teachers should be paid more is.

1083
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 5: Such an obvious thing.

1084
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 6: It's like those are heroes, you know, and I think

1085
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 6: like lawyers that like advocate for social.

1086
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 5: Justice issues, so what rights, It's like, yeah, those are

1087
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 5: really heroes.

1088
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, they have to get paid off the movie

1089
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 2: we make about their lives.

1090
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 9: Yeah, like.

1091
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 2: I wrote, I watched the movie Just Mercy starring Michael V. Jordan,

1092
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 2: which you're the guy who just Mercy is about. Like, dude,

1093
00:57:59,320 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 2: you came up.

1094
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Speaker 1: Michael B. Jordan played you in the movie.

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00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,919
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Like you did not see

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00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 2: that happening when you just got into this the same

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00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 2: people's lives. You know that it's kind of a good reward.

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00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 2: But it's also like, damn you had to wait, like

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00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 2: because then the movie. It's like, and then the power

1100
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 2: went out of my office because we didn't have any money.

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00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, yeah, that sucks. That part of it

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00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: really happened to you. Yes, And Michael B. Jordan, wasn't

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00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:23,959
Speaker 1: you like you? That was you in the dark.

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00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 4: Yes, those things aren't the same.

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00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 3: And speaking of teachers, I was like your nieces, And

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00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 3: to an extent I still am a kind of a

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00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 3: teacher because I kind of have like a teaching spirit.

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00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 4: I love to kind of teach people. And I actually

1109
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 4: went to.

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00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 3: College for a teaching The school we went to, Fabel,

1111
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 3: States is known for a teaching school.

1112
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: But what they don't tell you is that whenever you.

1113
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 3: Go for teaching to get in like your hire your

1114
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 3: three hundred and four hundred levels undergrad classes, they have

1115
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 3: this past that you have to take and you have

1116
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 3: to pay for this test, and if you fail this test,

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00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 3: then it delays you get into the gual three hundred

1118
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 3: four hundred level classes and then you have to kind

1119
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 3: of pay again for the test.

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Speaker 4: And so I was like.

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00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 3: I'm not paying for a test that I do not

1122
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 3: know if I'm going to pass in the first Like

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00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 3: it was kind of that barrier, and I was like.

1124
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 4: Do I really want to deal with it?

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00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 3: And uh, we got to actually go into the classrooms before.

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00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 3: And so when I went to the classroom and actually

1127
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 3: saw what teachers really had to deal with not trying funny,

1128
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 3: it was a lot of a sit down, be quiet,

1129
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 3: you know, can I get your attention? You know?

1130
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 4: It was a lot of song and dance type of

1131
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 4: thing to get the children just to calm down. And

1132
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 4: I was like do I really want to do with this?

1133
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 4: And they don't pay. I was like, nah, I'm good.

1134
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,959
Speaker 4: And so it literally changed my field, you know.

1135
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 5: I was.

1136
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 2: I get that you also, like you won the Boston

1137
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 2: County Festival, but like, have you ever lived anywhere else

1138
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 2: to do stand up? Like is that a thing where?

1139
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 2: Because I know Boston's a good stand up town. But

1140
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 2: then like it's like if you wouldn't want to go down,

1141
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 2: you gotta go to New York, or you want to act,

1142
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 2: you gotta go to La or go to Chicago.

1143
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: Like have you had to do that move around for it?

1144
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I haven't had to. I first time I.

1145
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,479
Speaker 6: Ever did stand up was in Chicago, which was kind

1146
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,959
Speaker 6: of like I wasn't really living there at the time.

1147
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 6: I was visiting for a semester at another law school

1148
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 6: and just happened to do stand up there for the

1149
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 6: first time, and then was there for like a couple

1150
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 6: of months. So I did like a little bit more there,

1151
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 6: but then I went back to New York, which was

1152
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 6: where I mean, I'm from New Jersey and so I

1153
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 6: was like teaching in New York. And then I did

1154
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 6: stand up in New York, you know, because that's where

1155
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 6: I was going back to, that's where I was living.

1156
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 6: And then the only intentional move that I made, like

1157
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 6: for entertainment purposes was to Los Angeles.

1158
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 5: In twenty twenty, and yeah that and it was great,

1159
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 5: but it was more just like.

1160
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Speaker 6: It's not like I like had to move or whatever,

1161
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 6: but I just kind of had this inclination that if

1162
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 6: I didn't go, then then I wouldn't like have the

1163
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 6: experience of like being an entertainer living in Los Angeles ever,

1164
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 6: and so I'm very glad I went for that reason.

1165
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Speaker 5: And I knew at the outset, I was like, I

1166
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:30,959
Speaker 5: want to go for.

1167
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Speaker 6: Three years because if I could go away to law

1168
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 6: school for three years, then I can go away to

1169
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 6: Los Angeles for three years, just to see what that's like.

1170
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 6: And it turned out that six weeks before I would move,

1171
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 6: I met the woman who would become my wife. And

1172
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Speaker 6: in some ways it was like you could say, oh,

1173
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 6: that's bad timing because I knew I was moving and

1174
01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 6: we just met, but it was also great timing because

1175
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 6: I knew I was moving at a time when I

1176
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 6: wouldn't have had to make the choice between moving away

1177
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 6: and the relationship because we didn't know each other when

1178
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 6: I made that choice. And so on our first date

1179
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Speaker 6: it was like going really well, and I was like, Okay,

1180
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 6: I just have to teice thing I'm moving, and so like,

1181
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Speaker 6: if you want to hang out, like, I think you're great, uh,

1182
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 6: and that's cool for me, but also I know I'm moving,

1183
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 6: And she said to me, she was like, you know,

1184
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 6: I'm like ten percent like I'm ninety I forget what

1185
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 6: it was.

1186
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 5: It like ninety.

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01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 6: Percent happy for you. Yeah, that's what it was, because

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Speaker 6: it sounds like a good move for you based on,

1189
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 6: you know, this conversation we had about our lives and

1190
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 6: our goals and dreams and whatever.

1191
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 5: But then she's like, but I'm ten percent sad because

1192
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 5: I like you.

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01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 6: So yeah, it was like a nice, like kind of

1194
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 6: revelatory thing on a first date where she you know,

1195
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 6: said she liked.

1196
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:00,080
Speaker 5: Me, and then we ended up like hanging out.

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Speaker 6: Out for six weeks before I moved, and then three

1198
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Speaker 6: years we were long distance and I said, I was like,

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Speaker 6: I'm going to come back in three years, and you know,

1200
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 6: you could believe that or not, but like, you know,

1201
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 6: and I came back a lot, like intermittently throughout the

1202
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 6: three years. But anyway, then it was done. Happened to

1203
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 6: be the middle of the pandemic. So in some ways,

1204
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 6: I guess it was like good timing, I don't know,

1205
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 6: you know whatever. And then I moved back to like

1206
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 6: New Jersey but like ne or New York, which is

1207
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 6: also where I grew up and so that's where I

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01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 6: am now. And so I guess the two times that

1209
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 6: were intentional moves for comedy I guess were like the

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Speaker 6: LA move and then I guess back to New York,

1211
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 6: which is, you know, where I live now, And I

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01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 6: think that they've come at good times for me in

1213
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 6: my career because it's I mean, people have so much

1214
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 6: to say about the LA comedy versus New York comedy scenes.

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Speaker 5: I honestly don't know that I have that much to say.

1216
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 6: I think you can make from those scenes whatever you want,

1217
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 6: right because there's a lot there's a lot of comedy

1218
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 6: in both places, and I think there's like differences in

1219
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 6: terms of style, you know, like maybe people have you know,

1220
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 6: like a lot of people in LA are like actors,

1221
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 6: and so there might be more like performance acting in

1222
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 6: comedy more. I don't know, but I think that like

1223
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 6: you can become a wonderful, terrific performer and writer of

1224
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 6: stand up comedy in either place. And I'm just lucky

1225
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 6: that I've had the experience living in both and now

1226
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 6: just kind of getting back into the New York scene

1227
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 6: as a real like comedian who can play in that scene,

1228
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 6: which I don't really think I was before I moved.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, it's it's exciting. It's like, you know, I

1230
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 5: love both places.

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Speaker 1: You just say you got so you got married in

1232
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 1: the Pandemic, I did. Yeah, how was like, how do

1233
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 1: you do? Like the wedding? Like is it weird? Because

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01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 2: When they dream of their wedding it's like a whole

1236
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 2: bunch of people and all this stuff, and in the

1237
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 2: pandemic is like the opposite of that was like no, no, no, no, no,

1238
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 2: less people, let's party.

1239
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1240
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 6: I mean, well, my wife wanted a big wedding and

1241
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 6: I think I wanted a pandemic because a zoom.

1242
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 5: Wedding was my dream wedding.

1243
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 6: Like I must have wanted it because I mean I

1244
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 6: got to wear like this, you know, first of no,

1245
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 6: not really going pajamas, but it was just it was

1246
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 6: very low key, and I think I'm more comfortable with

1247
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 6: that kind of saying thank you for the congratulations from

1248
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 6: you all.

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01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 5: In the chat and it's very nice. Yeah, but it

1250
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 5: was it was like obviously very like small.

1251
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 6: But I think like both my wife and I, my

1252
01:05:57,080 --> 01:06:00,120
Speaker 6: wife's a rabbi and so like she is a pretty

1253
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 6: public like way in her life and then through stand

1254
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:06,919
Speaker 6: up I guess I do too, and so I think

1255
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 6: that like for maybe for like very I don't know.

1256
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 6: I don't want to say again, I'm like self conscious,

1257
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 6: so like I'm not trying to say like we're so public.

1258
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 6: It's like we're Brad Pitt and Angelina, and like for

1259
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 6: people as public as we are, we needed a private wedding.

1260
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 6: So we were on our Zoom island and we had

1261
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 6: to helicopter in. But yeah, like I think it was

1262
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 6: just nice that it was kind of just us and family,

1263
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 6: you know, and and we wouldn't have done that if

1264
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 6: not for the pandemic. And obviously also like I don't

1265
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 6: mean to joke about the pandemic, Like I understand I

1266
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 6: lost my dad in the past. You're like, and it's

1267
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 6: just like, you know, I don't mean ever to make

1268
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 6: light of the pandemic. Like tragedy is tragedy and that's that.

1269
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:59,919
Speaker 6: But it's also like there have been things in it

1270
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 6: that you know, like I'm not the first person to

1271
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 6: say this, but like that there there can be opportunity

1272
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 6: for like inner growth and things that you know you

1273
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 6: might just figure out, like oh okay, I like this

1274
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 6: way of living in a way like I take quarantine

1275
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 6: days now when I can, Like it's just like if

1276
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 6: I see my calendar, and I'm like, oh, everything today

1277
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 6: is like on the computer.

1278
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 5: I don't have to leave the house.

1279
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you know I didn't for a year plus

1280
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 6: or whatever it was, and that was fine. And so

1281
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 6: I think that if I don't go anywhere today, if

1282
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 6: I don't have to, you know, which obviously I recognize,

1283
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 6: like I can I have privilege that I'm able to,

1284
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 6: I have a home, like all of that is not

1285
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 6: to be taken for granted, but once that is my existence,

1286
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 6: I can embrace it and like invite it in in

1287
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 6: in certain ways. And I think the pandemic, you know,

1288
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 6: the good side of the pandemic was that like maybe

1289
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 6: it opens some of that up in my consciousness, you know.

1290
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and obviously our condolences on the loss of your father.

1291
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 1: I need no problem, just uh.

1292
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 2: And then the other thing was I do think because

1293
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 2: I'm a I'm an introvert by nature, so I do

1294
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 2: think some of it falls directly into like what I'm

1295
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 2: already into. And so it's it's, you know, it's like

1296
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:25,719
Speaker 2: you gotta you're gonna be living hopefully through this anyway,

1297
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 2: so you're ended up. You're gonna like the only thing

1298
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:31,719
Speaker 2: you can really do is try to like embrace what's

1299
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 2: good and you know and whatnot. So I think that's yeah,

1300
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 2: in general, you know, that's part of your gratitude, right.

1301
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:40,440
Speaker 1: Part of gratitude.

1302
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 2: Hey, I'm happy to be at home or you know,

1303
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 2: I'm enjoying having extra time with my family or whatever

1304
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 2: it is that people are enjoying it. I think also

1305
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:53,679
Speaker 2: with a wedding, what's so interesting is that a wedding

1306
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 2: typically is such a huge expense. Yes, you know, so

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Speaker 2: it's kind of like a gift and a curse of

1308
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 2: like we aren't going to be able to spend a

1309
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 2: whole lot of money to start our relationship.

1310
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 1: You know, everybody's invited, like, so.

1311
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 2: It definitely is a thing do you think ever about

1312
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 2: like maybe after when when we can gather safely, like oh,

1313
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 2: there will be like a party or a celebration or

1314
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 2: thing that we do to like you know, yeah, I.

1315
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 6: Do think about it specifically because we didn't get our

1316
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 6: deposit back from the.

1317
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 9: DJ at the very least, we think we're gonna yeah,

1318
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 9: like he's gonna work, yes, just.

1319
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 6: A question of where and when, Like you my wife,

1320
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:47,639
Speaker 6: it has like a you know, a bigger birthday coming up,

1321
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 6: and it's like we can do it up for your

1322
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:53,599
Speaker 6: birthday because we got the guy.

1323
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 1: I feel like if he.

1324
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 2: Has a deposit, you should get to like follow him

1325
01:09:57,479 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 2: around in his regular life.

1326
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:01,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, well he's in the car.

1327
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 2: You should be like, no, turn off that podcast and

1328
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:06,680
Speaker 2: throwing a little bit of a burning for me.

1329
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 5: Right, we'll do that, But like, you know, I think,

1330
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 5: I don't know, I think.

1331
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 6: We're trying to just sort of like move forward, and

1332
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 6: like it's like you could focus on one could or

1333
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 6: we could like all the stuff that was canceled and

1334
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 6: trying to make it up. But then there's also the like, yeah,

1335
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 6: but what about kind of following the good things you

1336
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,879
Speaker 6: know that hopefully will continue to be in our lives

1337
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 6: and moments that we can celebrate and.

1338
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 5: Just making it about those, you know what I mean.

1339
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 6: So it's like we're I'm just very happy to be married,

1340
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:57,719
Speaker 6: specifically to my wife. Like, I mean, I was single

1341
01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 6: for a long time.

1342
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 5: I had like just I don't know, I mean my.

1343
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 6: Stand up for the first however long was just so

1344
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 6: much about all these things in relationships and you know,

1345
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 6: trying to find someone to love me all this stuff.

1346
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 5: So I'm just like really.

1347
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 6: Happy that somehow I did something good in my life

1348
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:23,080
Speaker 6: that like I found my wife.

1349
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 2: So you have to like burn your material like DESI, oh,

1350
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 2: I'm happily married. Uh oh, I gotta come up with

1351
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 2: forty more minutes.

1352
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 5: I mean, the.

1353
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 6: Good thing is that I was like definitely less good

1354
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 6: at material and stand up at those times, like not necessarily.

1355
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 6: I think it was just like time spent doing the

1356
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 6: stuff right, And it's not that all the material doesn't work.

1357
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 6: And I feel like now I'm kind of like okay,

1358
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 6: now I'm constructing an hour, and so then some of

1359
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 6: those stories can be brought back as kind of like well,

1360
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 6: here's how it was and here's what's happening. And so

1361
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 6: it's still more about what's happening, but it's like, yeah,

1362
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:06,600
Speaker 6: but the story of the girl who like ate my

1363
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 6: hair when she said she missed me, to know.

1364
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 1: That's going to hang around.

1365
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 2: And now the job, we know we're heading towards a

1366
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:21,679
Speaker 2: happy ending, you know what I mean.

1367
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 6: I hope she's happy too, I imagine, But you know,

1368
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 6: it's just there's a lot like like you know, it's

1369
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 6: I mean love and and your work, like it's all

1370
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 6: like life can I think.

1371
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:39,639
Speaker 5: Be a love story and it's just.

1372
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 6: A question of like that could be about friends, that

1373
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 6: could be about your job, that your purpose and finding

1374
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 6: a partner, all of it, your kids, your family, all

1375
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 6: of this is just like okay, Like I don't know,

1376
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 6: And this is maybe my journey of just like hanging

1377
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 6: around in some of the quicksand of it all and

1378
01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 6: really trying to grasp the things until you are like, like,

1379
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:05,440
Speaker 6: and maybe it's always a little bit of both, but

1380
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:09,639
Speaker 6: just until you're able to like let it be about love,

1381
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. And I think that's been

1382
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 6: my journey professionally and personally and so to be.

1383
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 5: Able to like tell that, yeah.

1384
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:21,519
Speaker 6: Some of the old material, but yeah, for the most part,

1385
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 6: I don't I don't get on stage talking about failed

1386
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:28,679
Speaker 6: relationships because it's not what's happening for me right now,

1387
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:31,560
Speaker 6: especially if I'm on for five minutes, you know what

1388
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 6: I mean.

1389
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 2: And the pandemic, I feel like if you're in a

1390
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:37,599
Speaker 2: relationship and you're making it through this pandemic, like patch

1391
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 2: yourself on the back, like the pandemic is like it.

1392
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 4: Told it true.

1393
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 3: Some people just like, ah, you know what, between you

1394
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 3: and COVID, I'm gonna get COVID.

1395
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 1: You got to go. Yeah, it's the grim reaper of relationships.

1396
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 1: Like it's just like the pandemic is just like this

1397
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 1: wasn't working, was it. It's like I guess not, I

1398
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 1: guess we're here at twenty four to seven.

1399
01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 4: Yes, I only like you because I've seen you every

1400
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 4: now and day. I didn't I didn't tell me I

1401
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 4: was going to be in your faith all time. They

1402
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 4: lied about this love stuff.

1403
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 1: You got to go.

1404
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:07,600
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1405
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:12,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, my my wife is an amazing person.

1406
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 6: I mean she she's a rabbi, and like she's just

1407
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 6: like the kindest.

1408
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 5: And most wonderful.

1409
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:24,720
Speaker 6: I truly, I do not understand what I might have

1410
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:29,600
Speaker 6: done to like get that in my life, but I

1411
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:33,720
Speaker 6: mean that's something that I am thankful for every single day.

1412
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 5: Yeah it is.

1413
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 2: Is there any like battle within the Jewish religion like

1414
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:43,520
Speaker 2: there is in other religious with like oh you're lesbian.

1415
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 1: You can't be a preacher, you can't be a rabbi.

1416
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:50,599
Speaker 2: You gotta deal with like biggest within the community for sure.

1417
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 5: Like there's a lot of like sects.

1418
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 6: Of Judaism, and so you know, you could look at it. However,

1419
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 6: but like like I grew up, I went to an

1420
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:05,680
Speaker 6: Orthodox Jewish Day School and so that was definitely like

1421
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:09,320
Speaker 6: there's no women rabbis. There's definitely no like gay people

1422
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:11,320
Speaker 6: who are out or at least when I was there.

1423
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 5: I don't know what's happening now.

1424
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 6: And I know that, like I don't know all of

1425
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 6: everything in the movement, Like I'm not you know, don't

1426
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 6: come here for like facts in terms of what I'm saying.

1427
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 5: But this isn't the news, like you know what.

1428
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 6: But it's just like like I think there's just more

1429
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 6: progressive sects of Judaism that do have lesbian rabbis and

1430
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:37,479
Speaker 6: women rabbis and stuff like that.

1431
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love I love that because I feel like

1432
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:42,720
Speaker 2: there has to be a push back, you know what

1433
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 2: I mean, because there's always like especially with the news now,

1434
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 2: like every time you see like some sort of like

1435
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 2: repressive shit, it's always like, because my religion, now.

1436
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:53,599
Speaker 1: Get to do this to you.

1437
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:56,879
Speaker 2: I it's really my freedom to fuck up your freedom,

1438
01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 2: like I view it. So I love when I see

1439
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:05,639
Speaker 2: like religious people that are like, no, this is exactly

1440
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 2: not what we're there, we're learning.

1441
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 1: This is not what we should be teaching people. And

1442
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 1: this is how I'm living my life and I'm like yes,

1443
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 1: more that less of the Yeah.

1444
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 6: I just I feel like my religious belief ultimately is

1445
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 6: like just narcissism because I believe there's a God and

1446
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:25,639
Speaker 6: I believe that he is extremely interested.

1447
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 4: In my life all about me, yes, and no one else.

1448
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 6: I mean, and I say that obviously as like a joke,

1449
01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:38,680
Speaker 6: but also like I think it's I do believe in

1450
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 6: like kindness and helping people in service and things like that,

1451
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:44,880
Speaker 6: and I think that that's ultimately like the point just

1452
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 6: like you're saying of just like you know, if you can,

1453
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 6: if you're using religion as like a way to be

1454
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 6: mean to people, then that seems bad.

1455
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:55,799
Speaker 1: That seems wrong. It seems like the opposite.

1456
01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 2: I don't, like, I'm not a religious person at all,

1457
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:00,080
Speaker 2: and I'm just like that don't seem right.

1458
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 1: Them up, Yeah, And.

1459
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 6: So you know, I think that like one of the

1460
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 6: things I think is amazing about my wife and in

1461
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 6: terms of like her, you know, like her family, her

1462
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 6: her brother is a Jewish professional, their parents are very

1463
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:19,680
Speaker 6: active in their synagogue, so like they had that kind

1464
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:22,959
Speaker 6: of upbringing in Judaism. I have like all the education

1465
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 6: and honestly like not that much of the feelings of it.

1466
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:30,040
Speaker 5: You know, like for me, it was like achieve and

1467
01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 5: for them it was like bek.

1468
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 6: It just like couldn't be more different. And I really

1469
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:41,559
Speaker 6: I think, like, you know, for me now, I'm just

1470
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 6: like I definitely think the kindness is the thing.

1471
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 5: And you know, to the extent.

1472
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 6: That, like there's ways that religion is used as a

1473
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 6: mask for.

1474
01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 2: Other Like I always say, I always say, people's God

1475
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 2: seems to be as limited as their imagination, right, or

1476
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 2: it's just like it's like I hate I hate immigrants

1477
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:09,799
Speaker 2: and also Jesus.

1478
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 1: You're like, wait, that doesn't seem like that's in the

1479
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:14,840
Speaker 1: bottle anywhere. It's like, well, that's just how I.

1480
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:21,679
Speaker 6: About like going to church or synagogue or whatever and like.

1481
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 5: Singing and ring.

1482
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:28,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have a we have a reverend here in

1483
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:33,479
Speaker 2: North Carolina, Reverend Barber, but he's like famous for being

1484
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 2: like a social justice advocate. Like he's like he's like

1485
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:40,559
Speaker 2: he's leading marches and it's like, you know, stuff like

1486
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 2: prison reform and Black Lives Matter and stuff like that.

1487
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 2: So I'm like that feels like what religion should be

1488
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 2: in this time is like you know, if if back

1489
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:55,799
Speaker 2: in the day, it was hey, you gotta stop taxing

1490
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 2: people and killing people and stuff, and like, yeah, that

1491
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 2: seems like that if you fast forward to twenty twenty one,

1492
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 2: that's gonna be someone going, hey, maybe don't.

1493
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:06,759
Speaker 1: Kill so many innocent black people or whatever.

1494
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 2: It's like like that seems more in line with the

1495
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:12,760
Speaker 2: with the things that at least a pr that I

1496
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:16,679
Speaker 2: see from the from from all the religions, right, sure, yeah,

1497
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 2: could you ever see yourself going back to being a

1498
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:23,360
Speaker 2: professor or like, is it just like I'm gonna out?

1499
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:26,519
Speaker 2: I can only see myself being a comedian for from

1500
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:27,040
Speaker 2: here on out.

1501
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:31,120
Speaker 5: I mean, I definitely don't want to.

1502
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 6: Have like another I I just don't have the desire

1503
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 6: to not do what I'm doing now, And so if

1504
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 6: I could see it, I guess sure. But honestly, the

1505
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 6: way that I'd like to see it is that I'm

1506
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 6: playing myself in a television show about yeah, be a

1507
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:55,840
Speaker 6: professor and then became a comedian and so in that

1508
01:19:55,960 --> 01:20:02,640
Speaker 6: sense as an actor, yes, but but yeah, like I

1509
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:07,679
Speaker 6: I really like this path, and you know, I could

1510
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:11,719
Speaker 6: always imagine other things because especially things that I've already done,

1511
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:14,760
Speaker 6: because then it's like, yeah, I can see it, but

1512
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:18,000
Speaker 6: it's not it's not anything that I want to do

1513
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 6: again other than depicting the things that have happened already.

1514
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:26,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I can see that because I feel like

1515
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:30,519
Speaker 2: the one you've already kind of conquered that territory, you

1516
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:33,200
Speaker 2: know what I mean. And then also like when you

1517
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:35,880
Speaker 2: when you're doing something that you love to do and

1518
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 2: there's so much more to still do, you know what

1519
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:40,840
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like you're always gonna be looking forward

1520
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 2: to like, Okay, so what's next?

1521
01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:45,040
Speaker 1: You know, like so what is what? What do you

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Speaker 1: want to do next?

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Speaker 2: Like what is the thing in comedy that you're like,

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Speaker 2: this is the milk turtle?

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Speaker 5: I mean, I want to do a special, an hour special,

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Speaker 5: and I want to make those are.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you broke up a little bit Internet work.

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Speaker 5: I see that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you broke up a little bit, right.

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Speaker 2: It was like right after you said you're back now though,

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Speaker 2: so it's right after you said as special. So what

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Speaker 2: can you finishing?

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Speaker 5: Of course? Yeah? I mean I want I want to

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Speaker 5: make a television show.

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Speaker 6: And I want to make a special, And those are

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Speaker 6: the things that I'm like mostly working on now, you know,

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Speaker 6: in terms of in terms of like active work, and

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Speaker 6: so you know, I work on myself as an actor,

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01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:53,839
Speaker 6: a writer, and a stand up comedian in those ways.

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Speaker 6: That's kind of how I've always seen the bigger project.

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Speaker 2: And what's it like returning back to stay end up

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Speaker 2: in person now that you're all vaccinated up and prepared

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Speaker 2: for these things?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think it was a real gift

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Speaker 6: that right when I got back into it, I had

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Speaker 6: like a thing that was like, Okay, here's this high

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01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:17,519
Speaker 6: stakes thing to prepare for, because it really just forced

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Speaker 6: me right back in and I had like a very

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Speaker 6: clear directive and motivation.

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Speaker 5: So that's helpful. And now you know that, like I

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Speaker 5: don't know, I mean.

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Speaker 6: It's not like it's done, but I'm kind of like, okay,

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Speaker 6: so now I'm more in the flow. I've done the

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Speaker 6: first you know, I guess probably fifty shows back at

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Speaker 6: this point, and so now it's just kind of like

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Speaker 6: keeping ongoing and thinking about like, you know, I.

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Speaker 5: Was listening to.

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Speaker 6: A podcast with U is it Chris Bosh, who's a

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01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:54,760
Speaker 6: basketball player, do you know?

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Speaker 5: Great?

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Speaker 6: Okay, and so he I'm not a person, but he

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Speaker 6: was a guest on a podcast and I found him

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Speaker 6: to be just so amazing to listen to, which maybe

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01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 6: everybody knows, and everybody's like, you're plate to this party.

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Speaker 5: I know he's like no longer even.

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Speaker 6: Playing basketball, But anyway, what he was saying I just

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01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:23,200
Speaker 6: listened to it was he was talking about how he

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Speaker 6: got better at three point shots, which I guess was

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Speaker 6: something that he was like specifically good at, and he

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Speaker 6: basically was like, well, what I did was I shot

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Speaker 6: from this close to the basket and then a little

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Speaker 6: bit further and then a little bit further back, and

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Speaker 6: then a little bit further back.

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Speaker 5: And I was like, that's such.

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Speaker 6: An amazing metaphor for like taking like a short set

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Speaker 6: and thinking about how to make it a little bit longer,

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Speaker 6: a little bit longer, and so like now I was

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Speaker 6: working really hard for like a year basically on Zoom

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Speaker 6: and now in person for like making a tight short

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Speaker 6: set tight so that it could like win a competition tight,

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Speaker 6: and now I want to shoot a little bit further

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Speaker 6: away and further away from the basket and not like

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Speaker 6: I mean, I've done long sets in my life as

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Speaker 6: a comedian, but not after coming off of.

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Speaker 5: Wins with short sets.

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Speaker 6: And so now I feel like the kinds of things

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Speaker 6: that I'm being asked to do for fifteen minute sets

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Speaker 6: are higher stakes, and so it's like you got to

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Speaker 6: make your fifteen tight too. If you want to get

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Speaker 6: an hour on HBO, then that's got to be a

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Speaker 6: tight hour.

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Speaker 5: And it you know, in a way.

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Speaker 6: It was like listening to him and then of course

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Speaker 6: it's like, well, he's Chris Bosh, he's amazing, You're just

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Speaker 6: you and so, but the way he was talking about

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Speaker 6: it was very inspiring and basically like, hey, you just

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01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:52,960
Speaker 6: keep shooting from a little bit further away. So I think, honestly,

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Speaker 6: when I think about what I'm doing next, and you

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Speaker 6: know what I mean, like now is just like trying

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Speaker 6: to trying to do the same thing like I was

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Speaker 6: practicing closer to the basket, but just a little bit

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Speaker 6: further away.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah, So it was like taking that five minutes.

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Speaker 2: And then like uh, flushing it out, like how do

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Speaker 2: I add this this segue? Now I'm seven you know, right,

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Speaker 2: and then you have a montage at the end and

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Speaker 2: then it's like boom, yes, special, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: And that's what you ought to do instead of Chris Bosh,

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Speaker 2: it should be you taking your jokes and like.

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Speaker 1: Shooting them through the hon Yes, I am here for that.

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Speaker 1: We could do listen, we can do a special.

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Speaker 2: You can come out in your pajamas, you know, tell

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Speaker 2: everybody where you got them from and then yes, boom.

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Speaker 1: You got it out. Yes, well, thank you, Liz.

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Speaker 2: This has been wonderful than you.

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Speaker 5: You're so amazing.

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01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:47,519
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on with us.

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Speaker 2: Can you do you have any upcoming like shows and

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Speaker 2: stuff for people that are like come.

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Speaker 1: And check it out?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I I do. I'm mostly performing in

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Speaker 6: New York. I be in l A for a week

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Speaker 6: like June twentieth to twenty fifth, and so I'll you know,

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Speaker 6: but I post on on my website which is www

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Speaker 6: dot Dear Liz Glazer dot com d e a r

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Speaker 6: l i z g l a z e R Dear

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Speaker 6: Liz Laser dot com.

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Speaker 5: So that's like the place to go. And then Instagram, I'll.

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Speaker 6: Do you know, a flyer or whatever for shows and

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Speaker 6: stuff like that. So those are those are the best ways.

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Speaker 2: So I'm not sure to put that in the notes

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Speaker 2: for everybody so they can check it out. Yes, and

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Speaker 2: then shout out to Mike Kaplan for making me and

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Speaker 2: of course, uh it wouldn't be I can't shout out

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Speaker 2: Mike Kaplan without saying if it was Dear Liz Blazer

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Speaker 2: with d E e R, that would be that would

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Speaker 2: be a totally different website, totally.

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Speaker 1: All right, thanks everybody for listening. We'll be back tomorrow

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Speaker 1: and uh, we'll talk to you.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to you then until then, I love you, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I love ha