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Speaker 1: Good morning everyone, Welcome to Breaking Points. Sober is out

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Speaker 1: for the best of possible reasons. He is getting married

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Speaker 1: this weekend. But we have a jam pack show. We

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Speaker 1: got Ryan in the studio, we got Emily on the

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Speaker 1: ground at the RNC. We're I'm Dave Weigel in the

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Speaker 1: show later to break down a lot that is happening

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Speaker 1: in Biden world. Dandie Vance made his debut last night.

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Speaker 1: We've got polls showing actually interesting little post assassination movement.

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Speaker 1: So the very certain predictions that this would have a

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Speaker 1: Let's be clear here, but all those predictions seem not

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Speaker 1: to have totally come to fruition. Biden has COVID, he

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Speaker 1: assassination attempt. That really raised a lot of stunning question.

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Speaker 1: Secret Service very much under pressure right now and morning

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Speaker 1: Joe quite upset that they were pulled from the air

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Speaker 6: Emily.

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Speaker 1: You're on the ground there at the RNC. Jd Vance

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well it was very very let's say, relatively boring,

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Speaker 7: When he said that, he was talking about how a

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Speaker 7: Extent that he's like talking about unity, he made a

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Speaker 7: I don't think he's ever said that to Mitch McConnell before,

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Speaker 7: like it doesn't feel like a reality television show except

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Speaker 6: Really, nobody knows what Donald Trump is going.

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Speaker 7: To say, and that is a huge outstanding factor in

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Speaker 6: And we won't know until like ten PM.

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Speaker 1: Let me go ahead and queue up, and then right

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to that.

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Speaker 8: My friends, things did not work out well for a

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Speaker 8: hear they died of an overdose. As always, America's ruling

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Speaker 8: class wrote the checks. Communities like mine paid the price

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Speaker 8: for decades that divide between the few with their power

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Speaker 8: Our movement is about single moms like mine who struggled

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Speaker 4: You know the speech came the same day.

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Speaker 1: I believe that we also heard Trump was considering Jamie

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Speaker 1: course this raises the key question is this different rhetoric

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and on some level, rhetoric is real in the

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Speaker 5: There has to be something real underneath that. It can't

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Speaker 5: it can't just be taught, because why piss off all

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Speaker 3: The hostility to the war, Like it's nice to see.

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Speaker 5: That now from you know that getting some actual purchase

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Speaker 5: But you know, if it represents a kind of a

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Speaker 6: They love the JD Advance pick.

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Speaker 7: You know, everyone I've talked to is extremely excited about it,

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Speaker 6: But they're not being.

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Speaker 7: something that Donald Trump can get away with because he

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Speaker 7: So is this just something that people really love when

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Speaker 7: it comes attached to Donald Trump? And that's why I'm thinking,

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Speaker 7: Is Sean O'Brien really going to want to be there

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Speaker 7: if Donald Trump isn't at the top of the ticket,

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Speaker 7: which sort of dictates all of those kind of downstream

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Speaker 6: They love all of this.

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Speaker 7: And so can the Republican Party sustain it? I think

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Speaker 7: Donald Trump loves a narrative, There's no question about that.

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Speaker 6: So there's just like a lot going on, but we

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Speaker 7: quiet moment talking about his Catholic beliefs on life or

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Speaker 7: something like that, you know he's gonna be talking a

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Speaker 7: lot in the next couple of months. I'm sure he'll

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Speaker 7: have to answer these questions pretty often.

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Speaker 6: My sense is that it'll be a punt.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be interesting to watch out unfolds up.

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Speaker 1: In my own sense of the choice for what it's worth,

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Speaker 1: I have no inside knowledge here, but that you know,

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Speaker 1: Trump feels very confident. Apparently the pitch was made from

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Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson and others that this would make him quote

451
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Speaker 1: assassination proof because maybe if it was Mark or Rubio,

452
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Speaker 1: people would want amount of the way.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's a pretty dark way direction to go in.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I think there was a thought that

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Speaker 1: basically he bought into that logic.

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Speaker 4: He liked JD.

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Speaker 1: Vance personally, and JD has gone out of his way

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Speaker 1: to say that if he didn't think that Mike Pence

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Speaker 1: should have gone forward with the electoral count vote. And

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Speaker 1: so to your point, Emily, I mean, it's strange from

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Speaker 1: a guy who at one point one point said Trump

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Speaker 1: maybe America's Hitler and who not that long ago. And

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Speaker 1: this was also quote unquote unearthed this morning that Trump

464
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Speaker 1: was a fraud he said on a podcast a few

465
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Speaker 1: years back, and you know, made some very aggressively critical

466
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Speaker 1: comments of this president. So it's odd that loyalty would

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Speaker 1: be the thing that Trump was after in this pick.

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Speaker 1: But I think because Vance has gone out of his

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Speaker 1: way to say, you know, I even would have followed

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Speaker 1: you into the breach in terms of stop the steal

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Speaker 1: and throwing the whole country into chaos by not moving

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Speaker 1: forward with the electoral account in the way that Mike

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Speaker 1: that Mike Pence did. Mike fans like that, My brain

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Speaker 1: is so addled this.

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Speaker 4: Week, Guys, you gotta bear with me.

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Speaker 1: That's true, But I think that was the key, a

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Speaker 1: key part of this selection as well. We're going to

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Speaker 1: get to more Biden news in a bit, but I

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Speaker 1: wonder if that calculus would have been different if they

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Speaker 1: were staring down the possibility of a different candidate at

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Speaker 1: the top than Joe Biden, which may in fact be

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Speaker 1: the case. But I want to move on to just

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Speaker 1: quickly hear some of the polling that we've gotten post

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Speaker 1: assassination attempt. Only I wanted to get some of your

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Speaker 1: take on this. We can put this up on the

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Speaker 1: screen now.

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Speaker 4: Listen. Joe Biden was losing before.

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Speaker 1: The assassination attempt, and he is still losing after the

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Speaker 1: assassination attempt, but at least from the minimal pulling that

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Speaker 1: we've seen so far, it didn't actually move the needle

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Speaker 1: that much. And so there were a lot of confident

492
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Speaker 1: punnet predictions of like, oh, it's over, and you know

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Speaker 1: there's going to be this huge movement in Trump's direction.

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Speaker 1: So far that hasn't really hasn't really shown up. And

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Speaker 1: I wonder what you made of that, Emily, because my

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Speaker 1: own thinking was that you'd already had a lot of

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Speaker 1: movement away from Biden in the wake of his disastrous

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Speaker 1: debate performance. And I'm just not sure, given how polarized,

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Speaker 1: like partisan polarized, we are, how much more of a

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Speaker 1: shift there can really be towards Trump among those who

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Speaker 1: are on the fence, since a lot of that had

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Speaker 1: already come right after the debate disaster for Biden.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, I've always thought Donald Trump had a ceiling,

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Speaker 7: and I think most people have made the same assumption

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Speaker 7: that you know, and they're numbers, by the way, two

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Speaker 7: on two. You know, nobody's really ever getting over fifty percent.

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Speaker 7: I think Biden may have in his favorability at the

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Speaker 7: beginning of his presidency, but obviously polarization makes that such

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Speaker 7: that it feels like anybody with the sort of r

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Speaker 7: D next to their name and the presidential ticket is

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Speaker 7: going to have a ceiling. And does Donald Trump, you know,

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Speaker 7: sort of rising after taking a bullet to the ear,

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Speaker 7: change that maybe a little, but I don't think significantly.

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Speaker 7: There's just any room for that in American politics now.

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Speaker 7: But I will say, uh, the RNC people here are

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Speaker 7: projecting confidence.

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Speaker 6: And I think JD. Vance, the pick of JD. Vans

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Speaker 6: is a projection of confidence.

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Speaker 7: He Donald Trump didn't pick someone who would, you know,

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Speaker 7: bring in a critical swing state, didn't bring someone who

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Speaker 7: would shore up support among a demographic. You know, maybe

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Speaker 7: the logic was that Tim Scott could help continue to

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Speaker 7: eat away at Democrats' margins with the black vote in

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Speaker 7: an election where that will matter.

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Speaker 6: A whole lot. That's what he did with JD. Vance.

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Speaker 7: And so I do think there's a sense of confidence

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Speaker 7: in shifting priorities. But you know, there's also a let's

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Speaker 7: see av an attempted pivot to boringness. You know, that's

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Speaker 7: kind of what I meant earlier about JADU Vance, that

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Speaker 7: it is just it was very buttoned up and contained,

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Speaker 7: and I think they want to Biden now to be

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Speaker 7: the chaos candidate, and that's what Republicans are going for.

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Speaker 7: But I think even that in and of itself speaks

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Speaker 7: to the fact that everyone has a ceiling, which is

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Speaker 7: a little bit of wiggle room where independents are involved

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Speaker 7: and turnout is involved, and that's where the fight really

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Speaker 7: is from now until November, right.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to get your take on this pole if

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Speaker 1: we can put this next one up on the screen,

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Speaker 1: because you know, Republicans have been aggressively making the case

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Speaker 1: JD fans in particular, that Democratic rhetoric is to blame

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Speaker 1: the root cause of Trump shooting, the attempted assassination, and

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure that that was really a smart direction

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Speaker 1: for them to go in, because if you're fighting an

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Speaker 1: election on the grounds of which party has more sort

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Speaker 1: of inflammatory and divisive rhetoric, that's just not really the

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Speaker 1: rep that Joe Biden has at this point. So the

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Speaker 1: number one route cause that people point to is Durin shooter,

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Speaker 1: which we have some new reporting will get to you

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Speaker 1: later about what he was searching for. That I think

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Speaker 1: very much matches that root cause determination. The next highest,

552
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Speaker 1: just barely behind that, was Trump and his own rhetoric,

553
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Speaker 1: and then you get to the rhetoric of Biden and

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Speaker 1: Democrats at just thirteen percent of people who are putting

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Speaker 1: the blame there. So you kind of reminded me, in

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Speaker 1: a bizarre way, Ryan of when Biden gave that disastrous

557
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Speaker 1: debate answer about abortion where Democrats were like, oh, this

558
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Speaker 1: is easy. You knock this out of the park, and

559
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Speaker 1: then he turns the conversation immediately to an undocumented immigrant

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Speaker 1: raping and murdering someone. You're like, why would you ever

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Speaker 1: bring this up? Because this is the worst possible landscape

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Speaker 1: for you to fight on. I sort of feel like

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Speaker 1: that with Republicans and now wanting to fight on the

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Speaker 1: ground of like which party is more buttoned up and

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Speaker 1: responsible with the nature of their rhetoric at this point.

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Speaker 5: Yes, and that poll is done Harris X, which is

567
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Speaker 5: a terrible polster, but lean's very Trumpian, and so you know,

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Speaker 5: if those are the results that they get, you can

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Speaker 5: you can you can pad them. Actually probably a little

570
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Speaker 5: bit higher in that direction. I think I think it

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Speaker 5: might have mattered if the shooter's motivations had been different. Like,

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Speaker 5: let's say we turned out it's some Antifa kid, you know,

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Speaker 5: who was you know, really out there to like stop

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Speaker 5: Trump from becoming present again, Like for a second, that's

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Speaker 5: what it's you know, that's what the right thought they

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Speaker 5: had with this. They started blaming this poor Italian guy

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Speaker 5: who was asleep at the time. If if that had

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Speaker 5: proven to be the case, maybe the numbers move slightly

579
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Speaker 5: in there and you get some kind of bump one,

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Speaker 5: you know, towards towards Trump. But when it when it

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Speaker 5: emerged that and it's also kind of a sad testament

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Speaker 5: to American culture that we were so quickly able to

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Speaker 5: code this shooter. Like we started hearing from his fellow students,

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Speaker 5: and we started, you know, understanding just the basics of

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Speaker 5: him and seeing him, and we're like, oh, this is

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Speaker 5: a standard issue school shooter who we don't know a

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Speaker 5: whole lot about because so many of them just die,

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Speaker 5: but so many people have known them before they carried

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Speaker 5: out the school shooting that it's a loner. It's somebody

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Speaker 5: miserable and depressed going through a mental health crisis and

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Speaker 5: combined with some psychosis that leads them to want to

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Speaker 5: kind of go out of this world in this like

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Speaker 5: blaze of bizarre glory. And once I think American people

594
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Speaker 5: were like, oh, that's what happened here, then it just

595
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Speaker 5: doesn't have any political balance anymore. And the idea that

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Speaker 5: that person is going to be inspired by Joe Biden,

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Speaker 5: you know, saying the word bullseye in a private donor

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Speaker 5: call is too absurd, I think to latch on anywhere.

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Speaker 5: The most thought provoking comment that I saw from anybody

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Speaker 5: on the day of the shooting was I forget who

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Speaker 5: posted at this point, but they said, this might sound crazy,

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Speaker 5: but in two weeks we will have metabolized this and

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Speaker 5: completely forgotten about it. And I saw that, I was like,

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Speaker 5: that's crazy, And then I started think, is that crazy?

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Speaker 5: Like we're in such a fast moving, polarized, crazy world

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Speaker 5: that it's quite possible two weeks from now we haven't

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Speaker 5: forgotten it. Well, we'll know what happened, but it won't

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Speaker 5: have kind of left a mark on our kind of

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Speaker 5: culture the way that it would have, you know, fifty

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Speaker 5: years ago, forty years ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, to be honest, that's my sense of things as well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can look at our own show and

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Speaker 1: the fact that this is the latest details of the massive,

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Speaker 1: astonishing security failures are towards the end of the show

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Speaker 1: to show you how quick the news is moving at

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Speaker 1: this point. But Emily, I wonder what you make of

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Speaker 1: any or all of this.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it's I think a lot of this

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Speaker 7: depends on a couple of moving parts right now. One

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Speaker 7: just in the last twenty four hours, it has looked

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Speaker 7: like we are getting signals from Joe Biden's camp, although

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Speaker 7: they are still vehemently denying them publicly, that lay the

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Speaker 7: groundwork for a potential dropout. So it started with I

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Speaker 7: think it was Jeff Zeleny who said that a senior

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Speaker 7: Democratic advisor said Biden may now be opened to dropping

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Speaker 7: out of the race. And then Biden himself was diagnosed

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Speaker 7: with COVID and is looking rather feeble in some of

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Speaker 7: the videos of him getting on and off the plane

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Speaker 7: into a car. So I mean it was this entire

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Speaker 7: RNC against the ghost, as my old editor Tim Carney

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Speaker 7: put it a Washington Examiner, because Biden himself has figured

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Speaker 7: heavily into it. They were chanting constant chance last night

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Speaker 7: of Joe must go from the delegates on.

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Speaker 6: The floor, a b sign and a lot of Democrats

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Speaker 6: would co sign it too, and.

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Speaker 7: That may all be for that may but I'll be

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Speaker 7: a moot point.

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Speaker 6: Not so long in the future.

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Speaker 7: So I think that depends les Pens really heavily on that.

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Speaker 7: Because Trump with his fists in the air jexaposed with

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Speaker 7: some of the memes of like Biden tripping up the

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Speaker 7: Air Force one stairs, that I think does give some

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Speaker 7: power to what Donald Trump went through and the second one.

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Speaker 7: We keep coming back to this, but it's what Donald

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Speaker 7: Trump says tonight, And we have basically no indication of

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Speaker 7: what Donald Trump is going to say other than he

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Speaker 7: swapped out what he called a.

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Speaker 6: Real rip roarer for a new speech. But we don't

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Speaker 6: know what that means, and we still don't fully know.

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Speaker 7: Donald Trump has been very consciously stoic all week. You

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Speaker 7: see him, I'm been looking down at him during every speech,

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Speaker 7: like focused on his reactions.

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Speaker 6: He has not been giving a lot of reaction.

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Speaker 7: And so how he handles this personal trauma, honestly and

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Speaker 7: kind of a national trauma for everybody too. How he

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Speaker 7: handles that, I think is still an open question. And

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Speaker 7: how it might affect numbers going forward I think does

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Speaker 7: kind of depend on both of those two things a lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean again, let me be clear, Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: is losing this race. He's losing every battleground state.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 1: He we already had all the images of him being

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Speaker 1: incredibly feeble. We've got a new one we can show

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Speaker 1: you today of him like having to be helped into

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Speaker 1: his car seat by his aides, and he was just

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Speaker 1: diagnosed with God mean, all of that is already there.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's not that surprising to me that it

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Speaker 1: didn't move the numbers even more against Joe Biden. But Emily,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much. You're doing a fantastic job on

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Speaker 1: the ground there. We're so lucky to have you on

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Speaker 1: the ground. Brands reporting from the RNC, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure we will be talking to you more about

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Speaker 1: what Trump does have to say when he speaks primetime tonight.

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Speaker 6: Thanks guys.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, they actually brought the old breaking Points set to Wisconsin.

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Speaker 6: So it's nice to be comfortable prison.

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Speaker 7: No, I will never escape it, all right, lovea Emily,

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Speaker 7: so you.

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Speaker 6: Soon, Thanks guys.

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Speaker 1: So a whole lot going on with Joe Biden this morning.

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Speaker 1: He has now been diagnosed with COVID. There is a

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Speaker 1: now very public effort to pressure him out coming from

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Speaker 1: the top echelons of Democrats. We're talking Schumer, Pelosi, Jeffries,

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Speaker 5: has really come out for it, which is that's who

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Speaker 5: you want to be beholden to, Like, if you've got

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Speaker 4: I could not possibly disagree with that. So guys, go

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Speaker 4: ahead and do that.

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Speaker 1: Ryan and Jeremy have already broken some incredible stories just

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Speaker 1: in the first what are you a week into this,

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Speaker 1: a little more than a week into this and already

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Speaker 1: have made some major news. So it's definitely worth you

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Speaker 1: guys giving your support if you're able. Let's go ahead

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Speaker 1: and get to the news. With regards of Biden, we

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Speaker 1: can put this tear sheet up on the screen, so

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Speaker 1: he has tested positive for COVID nineteen. He's having to

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Speaker 1: cancel events because of this diagnosis. We can also put

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Speaker 1: this video up on the screen, just continuing to show

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Speaker 1: how feeble he is at this point in his life.

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Speaker 1: You can see there through the window him really having

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Speaker 1: to be assisted, almost like lifted into the car. You

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Speaker 1: can sort of make that out through the rain from

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Speaker 1: the side here see him being put in. And part

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Speaker 1: of why this is so significant is because let's go

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Speaker 1: and put the next piece up on the screen. Diagnosis

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Speaker 1: is significant because it came right after news leaked that

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Speaker 1: Biden had privately said he might quit the presidential race

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Speaker 1: if a medical condition emerged. Now I don't know that

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Speaker 1: COVID was the medical condition that he was referring to there,

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Speaker 1: but this was in an interview with bet He was asked,

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Speaker 1: is there anything that you would look to you personally

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Speaker 1: to say if I see that I will reevaluate, And

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Speaker 1: Biden said, quote, if I had some medical condition that emerged,

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Speaker 1: if somebody, if doctors came to me and said you

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Speaker 1: got this problem, that problem, Biden indicated that he would

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Speaker 1: be receptive to getting out of the race.

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Speaker 4: Ryan, this comes.

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Speaker 1: We've got like a whole slough of Biden developments that

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Speaker 1: we're going to get to. As I said, you've got

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Speaker 1: now Pelosi and Schumer really making more public their desires

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Speaker 1: to push him out. You have him seemingly more open

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Speaker 1: to the conversation. Not that he's saying he's going to

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Speaker 1: get out, but he's not just like out and out

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Speaker 1: ruling it out. What do you make of these most

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Speaker 1: recent developments.

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Speaker 5: Well, he had also said that he would only take

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Speaker 5: advice on this question from the Almighty, So you can

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Speaker 5: read into that what you want about the timing of this.

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Speaker 5: Right after he says medical condition, I looked it up.

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Speaker 5: The last time that he had COVID, he was in

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Speaker 5: isolation for sixteen days, which is with CDC recommendation is

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Speaker 5: like five minutes at this point, So you know, sixteen

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Speaker 5: days when you have just a few days left of

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Speaker 5: the entire presidential campaign, and this pushes you close to

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Speaker 5: the Democratic National Convention does put I think, you know,

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Speaker 5: extra pressure, especially as Democrats are, and we're going to

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Speaker 5: talk about this, getting much more public and vocal about

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Speaker 5: the pressure that they're putting on him. And not just Democrats,

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Speaker 5: not just the two thirds of Democratic voters who say

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Speaker 5: they want him to step down, but the most powerful

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Speaker 5: Democrats aside from the President in the country are now

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Speaker 5: telling him, very directly into his face, exactly what the

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Speaker 5: RNC crowd was chanting.

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Speaker 3: You know, Joe must go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it could have been Nancy Pelosi in the crowd,

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Speaker 1: leaving those chances. Well, I mean, the COVID diagnosis it

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Speaker 1: kind of cuts both ways, doesn't it, Because on the

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Speaker 1: one hand, it's another indication of like, hey, the Almighty

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Speaker 1: might be sending you those signals, buddy. And also, listen,

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Speaker 1: everybody gets sick, but you know, at his age, it

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Speaker 1: once again raises the specter. Okay, this is a much

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Speaker 1: more serious illness for someone at his age and in

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Speaker 1: his whatever his health condition is. But the COVID diagnosis

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Speaker 1: also gives him an excuse to stop doing the interviews

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Speaker 1: and appearances he has been doing that have not been

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Speaker 1: going particularly well. We have a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: mashup of his appearance at the ENDABACP and this was

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Speaker 1: put together and you can see, even on a teleprompter,

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Speaker 1: he's struggling to complete sentences, finish his thoughts, and is

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Speaker 1: completely oblivious to his own major policy announcement with regard

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Speaker 1: to housing. He means to say at one point that

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Speaker 1: he's going to cap rent increases at five percent, and

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Speaker 1: says he says he's going to cap rent at fifty

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Speaker 1: five dollars. So just you know, a horrific blunder, which

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Speaker 1: in other conditions maybe say, are I really just screwed

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Speaker 1: up once? But obviously this is not just a one

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Speaker 1: time screw up. Let's take a listen to a little

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Speaker 1: bit of how this appearance went.

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Speaker 10: I know, I know't say, Joe, you may not have

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Speaker 10: a Congress. Well, guess what y'all told me. I couldn't

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Speaker 10: pass the Inflation Reduction Act. Y'all told me I couldn't

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Speaker 10: face it.

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Speaker 11: Anyway, we did it.

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Speaker 10: We're gonna bring rents down, as I said, We're gonna

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Speaker 10: build two million affordable homes. The cap rent increases of

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Speaker 10: five percent a year, So corporate landlord can't God.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, I don't wanna get going.

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Speaker 10: I'm gonna get very upset.

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Speaker 9: But but there's gouging in America.

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Speaker 10: By the way, not only saves lives, we'll save taxpayers.

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Speaker 10: Just what I did on the first round on Daln Medicare.

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Speaker 10: It saves the taxpayer one one hundred and sixty billion

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Speaker 10: dollars because they don't have to pay these exorbitant prices

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Speaker 10: to these anyway, the idea, the idea, the corporate owned

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Speaker 10: housing is able to raise your rent three four hundred

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Speaker 10: bucks a month or something under what I'm about to announce,

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Speaker 10: they can't raise it more than fifty five dollars.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can just see the confused look on

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Speaker 1: his face in that last part as he leans in.

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Speaker 1: This is off a teleprompter, Ryan, this is the one

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Speaker 1: thing we thought maybe he could still sort of like

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Speaker 1: you know, stumble his way through.

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Speaker 5: It's you know, and just wanted to confirm this. On

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Speaker 5: my keyboard, the percentage sign is above the five. Like

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Speaker 5: did some intern write fifty five and forget to hit

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Speaker 5: the hit the shift key and so it says fifty five.

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Speaker 5: But if you're the president, you got to know your

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Speaker 5: own policy. It makes no sense like there's no democratic

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Speaker 5: policy it's going to say that rent can't go up

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Speaker 5: by more than fifty five dollars, Like, no matter what

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Speaker 5: your rent already was, Like, if your rent is one

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Speaker 5: hundred dollars, you can still go up by fifty five

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Speaker 5: ors if it's five thousand, goes come on, like, like,

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Speaker 5: your mind has to be able to say, even if

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Speaker 5: it was a typo on the teleprompt, your mind has

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Speaker 5: to be able like, oh, I know what my policy is.

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Speaker 5: It's five percent, yeah, five percent increase.

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Speaker 1: As people who read off teleprompters sometimes sometimes, especially because

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Speaker 1: we write our own stuff, so obviously got to be

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Speaker 1: aware enough when we're reading it to be like, wait

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Speaker 1: a minute, that's not the shit that I'm meant.

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Speaker 3: To say, Yes, yes, exactly.

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Speaker 5: It can't be like, oh, well, I guess, I guess

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Speaker 5: the new policy is fifty five dollars. I wish though,

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Speaker 5: that that was the rule that like, whatever the president

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Speaker 5: says goes. He said it, and the crowd ratified it

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Speaker 5: by cheering, that's the new law done.

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Speaker 4: That's it, that's happening.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's also interesting because just before the assassination attempt on,

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Speaker 1: Trump completely shifted the conversation and sort of put the

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Speaker 1: Biden drop out conversation on hold at least for a

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Speaker 1: few days. You had reporting about this disastrous zoom call

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Speaker 1: that he had with this group of moderate Democrats. You

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Speaker 1: have the leak to audio. I knew it was going

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Speaker 1: to come out, the leaked audio of this video. And

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Speaker 1: he in particular goes after this Democratic representative, Jason Crowe,

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Speaker 1: who is a military veteran. And they say in this reporting,

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Speaker 1: right before the Trump rally, Butler Pennsylvania, group of moderate

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Speaker 1: Hill Democrats had a tense zoom call to express concern.

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Speaker 1: According to one of the participants, they said the call

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Speaker 1: was even worse than the debate.

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Speaker 4: He was rambling.

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Speaker 1: He'd start an answer and then lose his train of thought.

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Speaker 1: Then when just say whatever, sort of like that clip

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Speaker 1: we just showed you where when his mind wanders off,

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Speaker 1: he just says anyway to get out of the fact

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Speaker 1: that he has no idea where a sentence is going.

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Speaker 1: He really couldn't complete an answer. They go on to say,

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Speaker 1: I lost a ton of respect for him. Another participant

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Speaker 1: in the call confirmed that characterization was rambling, dismissive, of

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Speaker 1: concerns unable or unprepared to present a campaign strategy. Had

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Speaker 1: a particularly troubling exchange with Jason crow saying to him, quote,

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Speaker 1: tell me something you've never done with your bronze star,

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Speaker 1: like my son, this member of Congress told me, had

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Speaker 1: the assassination attempt not occurred? An hour later, I imagine

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Speaker 1: fifty people on that zoom were ready to come out

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Speaker 1: publicly against him. And you know that comment to Jason

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Speaker 1: Crowe to Congress and Crowe Ryan, it kind of has

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Speaker 1: it all because it's got this like tone of disrespect

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Speaker 1: and belligerence, but is also a completely incoherent sentence.

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Speaker 5: Right, And it has the public has finally gotten to

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Speaker 5: see what his ex staffers have been saying about him

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Speaker 5: for fifty years, which is that he's not the happy Joe,

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Speaker 5: the happy warrior. Internally with staff, he's very short tempered,

877
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 5: and his ego and his arrogance get the better of him,

878
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 5: and he lashes out at people in really cutting in

879
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,919
Speaker 5: and nasty ways. And you could not have a better

880
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Speaker 5: example of that than incoherently attacking a guy over his

881
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 5: bronze star, like exactly like you said, Like, what are

882
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 5: you even saying here? Are you criticizing him for it?

883
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 5: But you're not because you're saying, like your son had

884
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Speaker 5: it also. But and then that same answer is where

885
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 5: he went on this like tirade about how he had

886
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 5: brought together Alcus and all of the foreign policy work

887
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 5: that he had done in the Indo Pacific, and he's

888
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 5: also the guy that brought together NATO. Nobody else can

889
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Speaker 5: make that argument to the American public Alcus Alcus Aucus.

890
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Speaker 5: And it's like, what do you, like, you are supposed

891
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 5: to be a good politician with your finger on the pulse,

892
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 5: Like find me a single voter anywhere in the country

893
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 5: who does not have as his job like working for

894
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Speaker 5: a foreign agent, who's like involved with this kind of

895
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 5: security packed in the Indo Pacific, who cares about that?

896
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Speaker 5: And Jason Crow said that Jason grows like that that's

897
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Speaker 5: not breaking through, mister President, and Biden, according to that audio,

898
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Speaker 5: was like, well, I'm tired of this crap, Like this

899
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Speaker 5: is not doing it man.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well it is interesting.

901
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Speaker 1: It goes back to the decision that his team made

902
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Speaker 1: to have his big boy press conference be about NATO,

903
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Speaker 1: because that's clearly the area where he's still the most comfortable,

904
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Speaker 1: most codent, I mean the borderline obsession, and that was

905
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Speaker 1: that was.

906
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Speaker 5: Smart, because you don't have to be remotely smart on

907
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 5: foreign policy to impress Western journalists. All you have to

908
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 5: do is name the countries correctly half the time. Because

909
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 5: he got them wrong the other half the time. But

910
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Speaker 5: at least he got them like, he was able to

911
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 5: name them, and it's like, oh wow, okay, that's pretty good.

912
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Speaker 5: Those those are foreign countries and he said their names

913
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 5: and probably knows the capitals.

914
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Speaker 3: That's impressive.

915
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 4: The irony here is listen.

916
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Speaker 1: You know, before or Joe Biden was complicit involved in

917
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Speaker 1: funding and committing a genocide, I was making the case

918
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Speaker 1: for his domestic policy because there are genuinely things there

919
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Speaker 1: that are worth talking about and celebrating. And you know,

920
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Speaker 1: this is why I think Bernie and AOC and others

921
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: foolishly and you know, without any sort of moral character

922
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: are his jauntest allies at this point. But if you

923
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Speaker 1: look at anti trust, if you look at labor, it

924
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Speaker 1: is a break in a major improvement from Obama. But

925
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Speaker 1: you know, if you support those sorts of policies, it

926
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Speaker 1: makes no sense to try to push them through such

927
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Speaker 1: a damaged vessel that it's going to do nothing but

928
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Speaker 1: undercut the power of that sort of politics, because people

929
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Speaker 1: will say, hey, Joe Biden ran on you know, rent

930
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Speaker 1: control and ran on anti trust in this program, you

931
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Speaker 1: guys won, and he got absolutely wiped out across the country.

932
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Speaker 1: So I think it's an incredibly foolish direction to go.

933
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Speaker 1: And I have a couple of poles I just want

934
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Speaker 1: to put up to before we bring in Dave Weigel

935
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Speaker 1: to talk about this sort of you know, major Democratic

936
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Speaker 1: elite push to get him out, because I don't want

937
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Speaker 1: people to have the impression that this is just an

938
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Speaker 1: elite push to get him out.

939
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Speaker 4: Let's put this up on the screen.

940
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Speaker 1: Seventy percent of the country in a new poll says

941
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Speaker 1: they want Joe Biden to withdraw from the presidential race.

942
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Speaker 4: And oh, by the way, that includes sixty.

943
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Speaker 1: Five percent of Democrats and seventy seven percent of Independence.

944
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Speaker 1: By the way, fifty seven percent of the country also

945
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Speaker 1: wants to Donald Trump to withdraw, in a sign of

946
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Speaker 1: how not enamored the country is with having these two

947
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Speaker 1: men engage in a rematch.

948
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Speaker 2: Here.

949
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Speaker 1: And then let's put this next piece up on the

950
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Speaker 1: screen from Politico, because this is also interesting, you know,

951
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: Biden is. Biden indicated that if he could be convinced

952
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Speaker 1: that he couldn't win and someone else could, then maybe

953
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Speaker 1: that would be a factor in consideration. Well, you've got

954
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Speaker 1: new polling that looks at a range of alternative Democratic candidates.

955
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Speaker 1: They all run ahead of Biden by an average of

956
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Speaker 1: three points across battleground states. Now it's interesting here, though,

957
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Speaker 1: Ryan is that and this won't be a really surprise

958
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Speaker 1: to us, But Vice President Kamala harrisil runs better than Biden,

959
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Speaker 1: but he's the weakest of the potential alternatives. And effectively,

960
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Speaker 1: the more closely tied you are to the Biden administration,

961
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Speaker 1: the worse you perform. So the strongest potential candidates were

962
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Speaker 1: Senator Mark Kelly of Arizona and Maryland Governor Wes Moore,

963
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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro, and Michigan Governor Gretchen Wimer, all

964
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Speaker 1: for out paced Biden by roughly five points across battleground states.

965
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Speaker 1: So you can see this pulling and it being leaked

966
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Speaker 1: to Politico Playbook, which is the ultimate you know, DC

967
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Speaker 1: insider group. You could see this also as a play

968
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Speaker 1: against Kamala Harris of making the accurate case that Listen,

969
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 1: if you really are prioritizing defeating Donald Trump, and you're

970
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: willing to push out Joe Biden to do it, why

971
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: are you then going to go automatically for the next

972
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: weakest possible candidate here in Kamala Harris.

973
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and putting in.

974
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 5: The astronaut hero Mark Kelly feels a little bit too

975
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 5: nineteen nineties, but of course, yeah, like all of them

976
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 5: are going to outperform Kamala Harris. I feel terrible saying

977
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Speaker 5: it to the our coconut pilled audience, who is really

978
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Speaker 5: rallied behind her.

979
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Speaker 3: But yeah, she's not. She's not the most electable of

980
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 3: that bunch.

981
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Speaker 5: I don't think now she might have it locked up anyway,

982
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 5: Like that be just because of the nature of the

983
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 5: Democratic Party establishment that you know, they're only willing to

984
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 5: kind of rock the boat so much.

985
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 3: On the other hand, like if.

986
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Speaker 5: You're rocking the boat so much that you're ousting your

987
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 5: presumptive nominee two months before the election, like you're in

988
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 5: revolutionary time, just go all the way, like take the

989
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 5: final step and open the process up and let these

990
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 5: candidates compete and see who wins. And if Kamala Harris wins,

991
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 5: then great, she shouldn't just fall out of a coconut tree, right.

992
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 4: That's right.

993
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think there's a chance she would win

994
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: in that open process that you know, quote unquote open process. Listen,

995
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: we're at a place where the chance for a truly

996
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: democratic process unfortunately has passed, and that is the fault

997
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: of Joe Biden, his aides and democratic elites who closed

998
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,280
Speaker 1: down really a primary process. I mean, in some cases literally,

999
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 1: first of all, they had no debates. Second of all,

1000
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: in certain states they literally did not have a primary

1001
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: agents pulled everybody off the ballot. So, you know, the

1002
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: chance to have a truly dramacratic process has unfortunately passed.

1003
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: But I agree with your assessment that even through an

1004
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: open convention process, where you have a public watching these

1005
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: beaches and watching this all unfold, sort of celebrity Apprentice style,

1006
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: it could create a lot of energy and excitement, and

1007
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: I think really could be a problem for the Trump

1008
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: vance ticket, who right now think that they are you know,

1009
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: sailing free and clear and are on their way to

1010
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: a historic landslide in which they're very likely to take

1011
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 1: the I mean, they're almost definitely going to take this

1012
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: at it and very likely to take the house along

1013
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 1: with them.

1014
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, you get a Bravo production crew and you put

1015
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 5: the cameras around each one of these jab pritz Kershapiro, Whitmer.

1016
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 3: All of them.

1017
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 5: You have them them follow them around just like their

1018
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 5: reality TV stars. You edit that, you roll the episodes out.

1019
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 5: You've got to have meach do confessionals, you know, talking

1020
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,280
Speaker 5: about how they're thinking about each each scene.

1021
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 3: Then you roll that through the convention.

1022
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Speaker 5: You will have a public I'm half choking, but not

1023
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 5: really like you will like you will have a public

1024
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 5: that is actually connected to you as a political party.

1025
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 5: Like imagine that a sense of legitimacy between the public.

1026
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 5: The public feels like there is a sense of legitimacy

1027
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 5: between themselves and these reality TV empires that have have

1028
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 5: grown up, like they feel like their sentiments are democratically

1029
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,399
Speaker 5: represented on the screen because the way that they feel,

1030
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 5: the way that they post on on social media, is

1031
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 5: then reflected back to them in the show. As people

1032
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 5: respond to that and feel the heat that is American

1033
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 5: culture now. And whichever political party recognizes that first, it

1034
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 5: is going to be the one that makes a real

1035
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 5: connection with the American public and the current Republican Party

1036
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 5: is led by a reality TV star. He happens to

1037
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 5: be a deranged one. So that's the only thing that

1038
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 5: gives the Democratic Party an opening. But it's right there

1039
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 5: for the taking if they would just, you know, open

1040
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 5: up their imaginations.

1041
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 9: A little bit.

1042
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's build some parasocial relationships with.

1043
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 1: Jamie Mark, Kelly Crest, Whitmer, Gavin Newsom, the whole, the.

1044
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 4: Whole lot of them.

1045
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 3: Got to be first name with all of them. And

1046
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 3: that's right, JB.

1047
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, Ryan, let's go ahead and get to

1048
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 4: Dave Wigel.

1049
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 5: Joining us from her home Crystal Ball and joining us

1050
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 5: from Milwaukee, Dave Weigel, Dave, welcome to the program.

1051
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 9: It's gonna be bad. I have all my lanyards today.

1052
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 3: Excellent.

1053
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 5: I would love it if you were like one lanyard

1054
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 5: short and live during the interview. You just get dragged,

1055
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 5: drag you out, kicking and screaming before we start real quickly. Uh,

1056
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,760
Speaker 5: as I told all of you, Jeremy and I launched

1057
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Speaker 5: drop site news last week. Breaking points viewers can get

1058
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 5: a discount code for that uh drop site news dot

1059
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Speaker 5: com slash counterpoints for that code. I actually interviewed Dave

1060
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 5: Weigel last week about that he got to see our

1061
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 5: little like we had a whole what do you call

1062
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 5: that thing where it's a giant banner that has the

1063
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 5: logo I called.

1064
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 9: The steppen repeat.

1065
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 6: It.

1066
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 3: That's right.

1067
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 12: They take the photos of what they're wearing and then

1068
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 12: they walked the next thing.

1069
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Speaker 4: Yeah, carpet situation, Dave.

1070
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 5: Dave and I did the red carpet in front of

1071
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Speaker 5: the drop site logo. We were both looking very good.

1072
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Speaker 5: But so thanks thanks for joining us from Milwaukee. Let's

1073
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Speaker 5: let's first roll Jonathan Carl from last night with some

1074
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Speaker 5: with some exclusive reporting here. Good nice little get from

1075
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Speaker 5: Jonathan Carl about the pressure that Democratic Party leaders are

1076
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Speaker 5: putting directly on Biden, and.

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Speaker 13: I am told that the pressure from Democratic leaders for

1078
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 13: Biden to get out of the race is intensifying. In fact,

1079
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Speaker 13: one person who has been out there publicly defending Biden

1080
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 13: told me just a short while ago, Biden is going

1081
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Speaker 13: to see the whole house of cards come down soon.

1082
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Speaker 13: As for that meeting in Rehoboth, Delaware, I am told

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Speaker 13: that this was a one on one meeting just the

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Speaker 13: Senate leader and the president and the Chuck Schumer forcefully

1085
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 13: made the case that it would be better for Biden,

1086
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Speaker 13: better for the Democratic Party, and better for the country

1087
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 13: if he were to bow out of the race. And David,

1088
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Speaker 13: when I went to Schumer's office to ask them about

1089
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Speaker 13: to tell them I was in to report this and

1090
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Speaker 13: tell you this tonight, absolutely no denial from Senator Schumer's office.

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Speaker 13: They only said this Leader Schumer conveyed the views of

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Speaker 13: his caucus, in other words, the views of Democratic senators.

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Speaker 13: I am also told that Jakim Jeffreys, the Democratic leader

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Speaker 13: in the House, has expressed similar views directly to the president.

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Speaker 5: Now, Dave, the Democratic leaders would probably prefer to do

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Speaker 5: this quietly. The fact that it leaking out tells us

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Speaker 5: what about how this situation is unfolding.

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Speaker 12: Yes, and it was frozen for really maybe forty eight hours,

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Speaker 12: and then I've gotten corked again over the week.

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Speaker 9: I remember talking to people in the Trump.

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Speaker 12: Campaign in Milwaukee on Monday evening, and one point they.

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Speaker 9: Made was this is good.

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Speaker 12: The current climate is good for us, as horrible as

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Speaker 12: it is what happened in Butler, because Democrats are frozen

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00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 12: and they're stuck with Biden. And they started thawing out

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Speaker 12: hours later, really the next day, they're getting data all

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Speaker 12: the time. I've we've a lot of us are recovering this,

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00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 12: are sent screenshots of data, recaps of conversations, polling. There

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00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 12: has been nothing that suggests that Biden to recover his position.

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Speaker 12: He's been doing poorly generally in interviews since then. And yes,

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Speaker 12: the timing is interesting. It feels like from what we know,

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Speaker 12: Democrats were talking to Biden on Saturday. Had the shooting

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Speaker 12: not happened, we might be seventy two hours ahead. What's

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Speaker 12: happening right now with a lot of Democrats being willing

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Speaker 12: to call on him to leave.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not just Schumer in that reported conversation.

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Speaker 1: We can put a next piece up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: Adam Schiff came forward publicly and called on Biden to

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Speaker 1: drop out, citing serious concerns he can't win. SHIFT being

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Speaker 1: a very close ally of Nancy Pelosi, and this being

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Speaker 1: seen sort of in the same way that Clooney was

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Speaker 1: seen as like a proxy for Obama, Shift is seen

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Speaker 1: as being a proxy for Nancy Pelosi. But we also

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Speaker 1: have news specifically with regard to Pelosi we can put

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Speaker 1: up on the screen. DEM's are calling her with concerns

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Speaker 1: she's taking detailed notes, they say, of district polls. In

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Speaker 1: one call, she gave a clear indication she wanted Biden

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Speaker 1: off the ticket. One dem who spoke to her said

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Speaker 1: she's the political voice of the dem caucus right now.

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Speaker 1: We also have reporting with regards to Hakeem Jeffries making

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Speaker 1: these having direct conversations as well, and also indicating the

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Speaker 1: deep concerns of himself and his caucus. So, Dave, it

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Speaker 1: seems like there's been sort of like closing of the ranks,

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Speaker 1: and perhaps while the conversation was frozen in the wake

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Speaker 1: of that assassination attempt, there was a lot happening behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes that we weren't aware of.

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Speaker 12: Yes, there was Pelosis and key figure in this publicly

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Speaker 12: if you went on Morning Joe. And the way the

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00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 12: Democrats talk about the decision has been fascinating because Biden

1140
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 12: has made a public decision, and they keep repeating this

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00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 12: mantra that he needs time to make make a decision

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Speaker 12: meaning the other one meaning that he needs to come

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Speaker 12: come around and leave and leave and leave the race. Yes,

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Speaker 12: the fact that she has been mobilizing people who are

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00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 12: worried about saving their seats says everything, and it is a.

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Speaker 9: It's even the conspiracy is a little bit too messy

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Speaker 9: for that.

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Speaker 12: Here's another example of I was working, uh the idea

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Speaker 12: of this virtual vote to be held as early as

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00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 12: possible before the convention because of state vaalid deadlines, state

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00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 12: out deadlines that are not necessarily more because they got

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Speaker 12: changed even this week that was getting that was getting moved,

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Speaker 12: and Democrats we run able to keep a story straight

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Speaker 12: on it.

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Speaker 9: I was talking to them yesterday or sorry, two days ago.

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Speaker 12: Their argument was they needed at a press conference in Milwaukee,

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00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 12: even the chair of the Democrat part Milwaukee all saying

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Speaker 12: we need to have a virtual vote early, probably in July,

1159
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 12: to get over these deadlines. A day later, the DNC's

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Speaker 12: rules committee says, all right, we still want to do

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Speaker 12: a virtual vote.

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Speaker 9: We want to do it in August. That was another move.

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Speaker 12: It was a much more wonky inside baseball move, but

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Speaker 12: something the party was confidently talking about doing as early

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Speaker 12: as next week. They're now saying they're going to do

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Speaker 12: in August. And that is all to make space for

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Speaker 12: Biden to make this other decision and.

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Speaker 9: Not to run.

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Speaker 12: They're really trying to phone the runway for Biden to

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Speaker 12: leave and for the Party, the delegates that are all

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Speaker 12: almost all committed in ninety nine percent of them to

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Speaker 12: get used to the idea that for the good of

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Speaker 12: the country they had to dump them.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and the reporting is that it came Jefferies and

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Speaker 5: Chuck Schumer directly weighed in to push this deadline back,

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Speaker 5: while that while the Jamie Harrison and Biden administrator trying

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Speaker 5: to trying to cling to it because they they somehow

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Speaker 5: keep thinking that something is going to save them and

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Speaker 5: change change the reality. We've got Chris armand did you

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Speaker 5: did you put up C three this tweet on? Yeah,

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Speaker 5: so you can put up C three. That's which is

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Speaker 5: reporting showing basically what I was just saying that Schumer

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Speaker 5: so and shoot, that Schumer and Jeffreys were responsible for this.

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Speaker 5: If you move on then to see four, David want

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Speaker 5: to get your get your take on the whole kind

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Speaker 5: of Bernie and AOC world standing so firmly behind him.

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Speaker 3: Great.

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Speaker 5: Isaac Chatner interview with Bernie Sanders. His argument, it's it's

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Speaker 5: it's worth reading this as C four, he says, responding

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Speaker 5: to you know whether or not Biden is a good

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Speaker 5: Kennedy said, I'm not aware that anyone thinks maybe Dave

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Speaker 5: can do a better Bernie, I'm not aware that anyone

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Speaker 5: thinks that Joe Biden is the best candidate in the

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Speaker 5: history of the world, or that he's an ideal candidate.

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Speaker 5: And nobody will argue with you that he has a well,

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Speaker 5: he had admitted it. Sometimes he gets confused about names.

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Speaker 5: You're right, Sometimes he doesn't put three sentences together. It

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Speaker 5: is true, but the reality of the moment is, in

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Speaker 5: my view, he is the best candidate that Democrats have

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Speaker 5: for a variety of reasons, and trying in an unprecedented

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01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 5: way to take him off the ticket would do a

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Speaker 5: lot more harm than good. So Dave, there's an incredible

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01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 5: argument there. I would rather have a present. He doesn't

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Speaker 5: put three sentences together, but he's still the man.

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Speaker 3: What's going on here?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, that journey has been, as usual consistent on this.

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Speaker 12: I followed him in Wisconsin right after the debate, and

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01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 12: his arguments to me there was Biden's not the best debater,

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Speaker 12: he might not even be the best speaker, but he's

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Speaker 12: the nominee and he is worried about replacing him. There's

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01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 12: something you hear, especially from older Democrats who have memories

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01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 12: in the sixties and the seventies that it would be

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01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 12: so chaotic the base witch Biden that it wouldn't be

1215
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 12: worth it. And I've talked to him Bolster, you say

1216
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 12: the same thing. We look at the data. The incumbency

1217
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 12: advantage is so powerful that if you replace that with chaos,

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01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 12: you're going to be worse off. I don't I didn't

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Speaker 12: read this as Biden worrying about Tamal Arris. I do

1220
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Speaker 12: know people on the left who are worried about that,

1221
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 12: who say that Biden has had incredibly strong pro labor, instance,

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01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 12: anti trust instincts, anti monopoly instincts, getting out of afghanistank

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Speaker 12: consistant that she might bring in different people who are

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01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 12: more friendly to Silicon Valley and into big tech, and

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Speaker 12: I had that was not the same. That's not been

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01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 12: the Sanders argument out loud. I don't think that's much

1227
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 12: from the left. You see what the left is doing

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01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 12: right now of getting more concessions from Biden on what

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01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 12: he's running on.

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Speaker 9: That is the progressive game here and again, Brady's done

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01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 9: this forever. This.

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Speaker 12: Bardian's argument sixteen and twenty when he had influence on

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01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 12: the platform was to excite people and to give them

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01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 12: a positive reason of book for you. You need to

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Speaker 12: get off of Trump fashion and you need to talk

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01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 12: about progressive things you can do for people that improve

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01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 12: their lives. So he's been successful with this mediatory in

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01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 12: doing that, where he departs from a lot of the party,

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01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 12: including a lot of senators, is thinking Biden is southigible

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Speaker 12: enough that he can he can deliver that. A lot

1241
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Speaker 12: of them think they distn't disagree, all right, the party

1242
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 12: should be talking more about Medicare, price caps, affordable housing,

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Speaker 12: rent caps, et cetera.

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Speaker 9: But Biden can't do it.

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Speaker 12: Biden tried to do it at the end of a

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01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 12: doubcapty event this week you saw in Las Vegas, and

1247
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 12: couldn't state properly the rent control policy like that.

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Speaker 9: That's the disagreement, right.

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Speaker 1: Whereas on NATO, you know, we talked earlier about this

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Speaker 1: leaked call with the moderate Democrats where when he's really

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01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 1: forcefully trying to make his case, it's all about NATO

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01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 1: and what he's done in the Asian Pacific and things

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01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 1: that you know, frankly, middle class American the working class

1254
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Speaker 1: Americans really don't care about.

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Speaker 4: But that's his that's what is ossified there.

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Speaker 1: That's what remains in terms of what he can make

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01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 1: the most forceful case on I saw the podse Bros.

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Speaker 1: Saying yeah, Project twenty twenty five, that's you know, it's bad.

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Speaker 1: It's too bad that the president of the United States

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Speaker 1: and the Democratic nominee never brings it up or mentions it,

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Speaker 1: or talks about it, or seems capable of, you know,

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Speaker 1: articulating that argument against the Republican Party. Dave, I wonder

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Speaker 1: what you make of some of the sort of tea

1264
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Speaker 1: leaves reading and reporting that we're getting of Biden being

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Speaker 1: a little more open to the conversation. He made these

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Speaker 1: comments to be et about, Hey, if I got a

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01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,919
Speaker 1: medical diagnosis, then maybe I'd changed my mind. Of course

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Speaker 1: he got diagnosed with COVID, but I don't think that

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Speaker 1: was necessarily the medical diagnosis he was talking about. You

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Speaker 1: also had some of this behind the scenes reporting that

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Speaker 1: now rather than just saying, you know, I'm in and

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Speaker 1: that's it, he's saying, well, do you think Kamala can win?

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Speaker 1: He's more open to seeing some of the polling and

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Speaker 1: the data in that direction. You know, do you what

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Speaker 1: are you hearing and what do you make of those indications?

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Speaker 12: Well, if you listened about Biden's statements, especially interviewers were

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Speaker 12: pressing him on the polling and electability.

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Speaker 9: He'd often just see the polls are wrong.

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Speaker 12: He could say that he was often polls where every

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Speaker 12: public piece of data said that he wasn't. And that

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Speaker 12: was that was a result of in getting different feedback,

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01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 12: different information from a close circle of advisors and Steve

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01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 12: Schetty from Valerie Biden. It became clear to Democrats that

1284
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 12: he was very poistered and being told just different things

1285
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 12: that they were seeing. This is it is very data driven,

1286
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 12: this attempt to get him off the ticket, because what

1287
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 12: Pelosi and other Democrats are using is their own polling

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01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 12: that says, no, we are now underwatering districts that Biden

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Speaker 12: won by fifteen points, and that's we can't possibly win

1290
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 12: the election. We're now underwater Wisconsin. They still have polling

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Speaker 12: that says their Senate cans a running ahead. But they

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01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 12: realized that was not what Biden was reading. Biden was

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01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 12: just in disbelief. Briden would go to Wisconsin get a

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01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 12: good crowd in Madison, which not not to be too disparaging.

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Speaker 9: The Democrats should get a good crowd in Madison.

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Speaker 12: It should be a place where you can get a

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Speaker 12: Democratic crowd and came away saying, oh, I'm still popular

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01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 12: in Wisconsin, but all of their data outside that that

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Speaker 12: wasn't getting to him.

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Speaker 9: Said, no, he's not.

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Speaker 12: It is a winnable state where our message resonates and

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01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 12: not with him because of the age question.

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Speaker 9: So that's part of what they're doing here.

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Speaker 12: He has been he has been getting information from close

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Speaker 12: friends and Biden loyalists who were were with him when

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01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 12: he was losing forty years ago.

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Speaker 9: That was wrong. That was not what the data they

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Speaker 9: were seeing.

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Speaker 12: And as when it comes to the common stuff they're

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01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,439
Speaker 12: trying to get him at, there's data all the time

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Speaker 12: that says even though the vice president is not popular,

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01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 12: that she doesn't have the age problem and that she

1313
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Speaker 12: performs him by two three points in polls. Mean you

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Speaker 12: really did see this the importance the New York Times

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Speaker 12: Ciena Pool, which we were all got familiar with in

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Speaker 12: twenty twenty, when it came out saying Biden was more

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01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 12: electable in.

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Speaker 9: Swing states than Bernie and especially than Larren. That was important.

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Speaker 9: The Democrats read that too. Democrat members read that too.

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Speaker 12: Sienna comes out and says, Harris is in the scoring

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Speaker 12: position and Biden isn't.

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Speaker 9: And that's the kind of data they went him to see.

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Speaker 5: Interesting on the spectrum of whether it will be Harris

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Speaker 5: or whether it will go to an open convention. If

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Speaker 5: like ten is like, certainly it would be Harris. If

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Speaker 5: Biden steps aside, zero is like, it would definitely go

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Speaker 5: to an open convention. What's your sense of the conventional

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Speaker 5: wisdom among kind of Democrats at this point of you

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Speaker 5: know where where we are on that spectrum.

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Speaker 12: Oh, it's like nine that it would be Harris and

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Speaker 12: it would be a different running mate, which if you

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01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 12: saw yesterday, Republicans are sort of making fun of that

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Speaker 12: and not agreeing to the VP debate because they said

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Speaker 12: it be they named you know, JB. Pritzker and a

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01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 12: bunch of other Democrats is the likely person. Devance is

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Speaker 12: going to debate.

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Speaker 9: No Democrats apart from outside.

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Speaker 12: Strategists who just doesn't know that the vice president is

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01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 12: not that popular and they think Democrat acts to do better,

1340
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 12: which isn't crazy inside the party, just delegates.

1341
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 9: Again, we're bround to the Biden Harris ticket.

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Speaker 12: Really liked Kamala Harris and like the idea of mobilizing

1343
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 12: behind the first female president in a high state scenario

1344
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 12: where they're bigger underdogs they were in twenty sixteen. But

1345
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 12: the idea of pushing her aside for a this has

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01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 12: been the problem for six months. Right for vision her

1347
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 12: aside for somebody who is not a black female vice president,

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01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 12: you would also be saying the entire four year Biden

1349
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 12: administration cannot cannot be defended to both members of it

1350
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 12: who got elected. Sorry, she's not popular. There's not a

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01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 12: reason that to keep her off the ticket. Apart from polling.

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01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 12: There are two reasons keep Biden off polling, an age

1353
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 12: which suggest that he can never recover from a polling

1354
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 12: for her is that she is not popular now. But

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01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 12: if she just gets there and articulates even the message

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01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 12: of Biden is supposed so should be better. So I

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01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 12: have not I have not heard from people actually involved

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Speaker 12: in democratic politics closely as opposed to people who just

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01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 12: talk about it or donate. I've not heard we need

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Speaker 12: to dumb Harris and replace somebody else. It would be

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01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 12: we need to stage manage this so that Biden finds

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Speaker 12: a way to say I cannot continue this, but to

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01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 12: pass the literally pass the torch, and the group passed

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Speaker 12: the torch Progressive group of what wasn't this day? Want Harris,

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01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 12: I will pass the torch to my vice president, defend

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01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 12: our record, remind voters of how great this record is,

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01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:06,919
Speaker 12: and get past the Republican lies about it, which are fair.

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Speaker 9: For example, I heard Republican.

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01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 12: Convention last night the wages are down and oil production

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01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 12: is down, which are not true. You have to do

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Speaker 12: that with Harris and then a governor. That's where the

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Speaker 12: party moved to.

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Speaker 1: So Dave bottom line it for us if you could, like,

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01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 1: what are the odds at this point that Biden is

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01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 1: going to drop when you've got Obama, Schumer, Pelosi, Jeffrey's

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01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 1: most Democratic donors moving against him.

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Speaker 4: Is that enough to push him out?

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Speaker 1: Or can he just you know, him and Hunter and

1379
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:40,680
Speaker 1: Jill and Raschetti and Donalin just hang on for dear

1380
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 1: life and grind it down, as I think you said

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Speaker 1: to us last time.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I moved to fifty to fifty, which feels a

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Speaker 9: little coward.

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Speaker 12: I mean, really, just if Biden doesn't want to give

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01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 12: this up and become a lame duct if he cannot

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01:08:56,040 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 12: be convinced that he would be a great figure in

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01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 12: the party if he was willing to give give this

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Speaker 12: up for a chance to win, then no, no one

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01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 12: can force him to. People always ask me, what about

1390
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 12: the delic rules? Is their way to force him out?

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Speaker 12: If you handle those rules, it is clear he's the

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Speaker 12: only person who can say Joe Biden's not running for

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Speaker 12: president anymore.

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Speaker 9: But I think it's fifty to fifty because he is

1395
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 9: getting this data and.

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Speaker 12: The message they're trying to import to impart to him

1397
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:25,760
Speaker 12: is you have the choice of a one legacy of

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01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 12: a term in passing the baton to vice president. And

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01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 12: it was always very important to him that he was

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Speaker 12: a vice president for the verse black president. He said that,

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01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 12: Or you can be the guy who handed the keys

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01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 12: back to Donald Trump and a Republican majority Republican Supreme Court.

1403
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 12: If they impress that on him and he buys it,

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01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 12: then that's why he goes. But I do think that's

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Speaker 12: only fifty to fifty.

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Speaker 1: Imagine how pissed the Republicans would be if they've done

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Speaker 1: a whole convention against the wrong candidate.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: I was talking to Charlie Kirk on the floor last

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Speaker 12: night and he was saying he was saying, he's trying

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01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 12: to get the word to Trump, please put more Kamala

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01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:00,080
Speaker 12: in your speech on Thursday, because he's very work It

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01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 12: wouldn't say he's worried he thinks they can beat Kamala.

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Speaker 9: He was a little bit worried.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, as you said, the RNC was very Biden focused

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01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 12: and a lot of that messaging would go out the

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01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:11,840
Speaker 12: door and they need to reboot, so they definitely the

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Speaker 12: vibe I get in our Milwaukee is probablycause it's still

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Speaker 12: rather run against Biben.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha all right, Dave, thank you so much for your

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Speaker 1: time and giving us some reporting there from on the

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Speaker 1: ground in Milwaukee as well.

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Speaker 4: It's great to see you.

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Speaker 9: Thank you great to be here.

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Speaker 1: So we have a lot of updates about possible motivations

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01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:35,600
Speaker 1: of the shooter or lack thereof. We have lots of

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01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 1: updates with regard to just what is an increasingly mind

1428
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:42,560
Speaker 1: blowing security failure finger pointing between the Secret Service in

1429
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 1: the local police who were involved in attempting to protect

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01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:48,440
Speaker 1: the president in Butler, Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 4: But let's start with this.

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Speaker 1: We had the FBI briefing members of Congress on what

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01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 1: they were able to find on the shooter's phone and

1434
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 1: his electronic devices, and apparently he had searched along with

1435
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 1: things like major depressive disorder. He had also searched images

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Speaker 1: of a variety of public figures, including Trump and Biden,

1437
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:15,520
Speaker 1: along with dates of Trump appearances and the DNC in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: According to a person who was on the call, Ryan,

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Speaker 1: you had some interesting commentary earlier in the show about

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01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:24,879
Speaker 1: you know, the profile that is emerging of the attempted

1441
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Speaker 1: assassin at this point.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the people's first impression, I think of this of

1443
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 5: this guy once they started to get just a little

1444
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 5: bit of information, was that it's this he is a

1445
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:39,479
Speaker 5: standard issue school shooter, which is the fact that such

1446
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:43,839
Speaker 5: a thing exists is maybe the fiercest indictment of contemporary

1447
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 5: American culture that you can come up with. So it

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01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 5: appears that he had some depressive personality and was just

1449
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 5: searching around for, you know, the locations of Biden and Trump.

1450
01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 5: You know, Biden, you know, by not really campaign, not

1451
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 5: going not really going out in the public, may have

1452
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 5: saved himself here. But imagine Trump's like, horrible luck that

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01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 5: you've got this depressive, intelligent, you know, twenty year old

1454
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 5: who is just looking to go out in a blaze

1455
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:22,400
Speaker 5: of glory. He's searching around for you know, famous figures

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01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 5: and celebrities, and it's like, oh wow, Donald Trump is

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01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 5: coming to Butler, Pennsylvania. And then further like there's a

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01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 5: ladder is leading up to this low roof that is

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01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 5: just one hundred and fifty yards away from where he's

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01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 5: going to be, and oh look at that. Nobody's going

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01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 5: to be guarding. It just literally unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: Actually, yeah, no, it truly is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, as far as we can tell at this point,

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01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 1: it's everyone. And of course immediately passes through his any

1465
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 1: political background leanings. You had some reporting about this scam

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01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 1: pack Democratic scam pack that he gave fifteen dollars to

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01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 1: on Joe Biden's inauguration day. But then on the other hand,

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01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 1: he's a registered Republican and so based on this search history, yeah,

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01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 1: portrait really starts to emerge of someone who I think,

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01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 1: you know, the portrait of a school shooter is exactly correct.

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Speaker 1: Just it's almost like suicide by cop. Wanted to be notorious,

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Speaker 1: wanted to be known in the history books, and was

1473
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 1: looking for any opportunity to do so, whether it was Trump, Biden,

1474
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:27,720
Speaker 1: or some other famous political or other figure that he

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01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:30,360
Speaker 1: was going to try to take out, and then you know,

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Speaker 1: the mounting information about the stunning nature of this security

1477
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 1: failure is really is mind blowing. One of the latest

1478
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 1: comments from the Secret Service director Kimberly cheatles she was

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01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 1: pressed on why no one was stationed on this roof,

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01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 1: which seemed like a you know, very basic obvious. You

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01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:55,800
Speaker 1: don't want someone to have a clear line of sight

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01:13:56,160 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 1: at the former president's head from within very easy striking distance.

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01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 1: Why wasn't there anyone on the roof? She says that

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01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 1: it was a little sloped, so it may have been

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01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 1: a security concern.

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01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to that.

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01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:12,240
Speaker 3: When you saw the events unfold on Saturday, shock.

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01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 14: And then concern obviously for the former president.

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01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 15: Investigators now trying to determine whether roof access had been

1490
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 15: properly locked down. The shoulder climbing up seemingly unimpeded about

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01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 15: four hundred feet from the stage with a direct line

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01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 15: of sight on the former president.

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01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 3: Should that roof have been secure? Period?

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01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:34,800
Speaker 14: That building in particular has a sloped roof at its

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01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:38,040
Speaker 14: highest point, and so you know, there's a safety factor

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01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 14: that would be considered there that we wouldn't want to

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01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 14: put somebody up on a sloped roof, and so you know,

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01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:46,479
Speaker 14: the decision was made to secure the building from inside.

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Speaker 1: This is of course being roundly mocked, as it should be,

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01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 1: because even if I mean, first of all, the safety concern, okay,

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01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:56,760
Speaker 1: the safety concern you're supposed to be concerned with is

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01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 1: protecting the former president of the United States and the

1503
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 1: Republican presidential nominee. And second of all, Ryan, you look

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01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 1: at that rub and it's also barely sloped, so it's

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01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:11,240
Speaker 1: just an utterly mockable, preposterous dodge here from the Secret

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01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 1: Service director.

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01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 5: It would be like saying, you know, why did you

1508
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 5: leave him exposed to the shooter for so long? And

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01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:20,599
Speaker 5: it's like, well, you know, you know, bullets can kill people,

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01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:23,839
Speaker 5: and so if our agents would have, you know, covered

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01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 5: the president while he was being shot, you know that

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01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 5: that's a real security concern because the agents, you know,

1513
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:33,720
Speaker 5: could have been shot, which is true, but also that's

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01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 5: the job of the Secret Service. And also that's like

1515
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 5: a two degree slope, like it's okay, like you're you're

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01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 5: gonna you're gonna be okay, uh, And the inside versus

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01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 5: outside is also you know, completely preposterous. How do you

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01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 5: secure the roof? Of a building from inside of it.

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01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 5: I mean you don't obviously, but like that that that

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01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 5: this executive director or whatever title is, it's still in

1521
01:15:58,160 --> 01:15:59,799
Speaker 5: her role, is itself shocking?

1522
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 6: It truly?

1523
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 1: Is?

1524
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 7: It?

1525
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:05,760
Speaker 1: Truly is at this point because the basics of the

1526
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:09,559
Speaker 1: failures here, the more we learn about how long they

1527
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 1: had identified the shooter and flagged him as suspicious because

1528
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 1: he tried to bring a rangefinder into the secure area,

1529
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:20,680
Speaker 1: so he was flagged and identified, and then they just

1530
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 1: lost sight of him. You had local police, you had

1531
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 1: him identified thirty minutes before the shooting occurred. You had people,

1532
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 1: local residents on the ground saying we see this guy

1533
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 1: bear crawling up the roof with a gun. You see

1534
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:36,280
Speaker 1: people on the ground at the rally. There's videos that

1535
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 1: we see him. He's got a gun, and Trump is

1536
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 1: still allowed to go out and give his rally speech

1537
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 1: and come within millimeters of this bullet completely.

1538
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 4: Taking him out.

1539
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 1: I mean, if you've looked at these animations, it's utterly insane.

1540
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 1: The Secret Service director was also grilled by a CNN

1541
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:58,839
Speaker 1: reporter about how this rooftop was unsecured and how small

1542
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:01,640
Speaker 1: the protect perimeter ultimately was.

1543
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to this as well.

1544
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 16: The Secret Service increased security for former President Trump because

1545
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 16: of a credible threat from Oran. You know, I've spoken

1546
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 16: with several people who look at the perimeter hearing that news,

1547
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 16: look at the perimeter and say, how, knowing that there

1548
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 16: was a credible threat against the former president, how could

1549
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:21,759
Speaker 16: that perimeter be so small that it excluded a building

1550
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 16: just one hundred and fifty yards away from the pobium.

1551
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,879
Speaker 17: I can't get into the specifics of any threats, but obviously,

1552
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 17: with all of our protectees, we're constantly monitoring the threats

1553
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 17: that are out there, and we design our security plans

1554
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:33,560
Speaker 17: based on that.

1555
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 6: Also depending on the.

1556
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:37,840
Speaker 17: Venue and the environment that we're in, and on that

1557
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 17: particular day, a full advance had been completed. But this

1558
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:43,760
Speaker 17: is also why we are doing an internal review, and

1559
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:47,920
Speaker 17: we look forward to the external review as well. And obviously,

1560
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:50,360
Speaker 17: if you know, there are things that we need to

1561
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:53,000
Speaker 17: change about our policies or our procedures or our methods,

1562
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 17: we are certainly going to do so.

1563
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 16: Was that perimeter too small?

1564
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 17: The perimeter encompassed the area that we needed to secure

1565
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:03,560
Speaker 17: for the event that we had on that day. What

1566
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:06,519
Speaker 17: happened is a terrible incident and should never happen, and

1567
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:08,839
Speaker 17: we are obviously going to make sure that moving forward

1568
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:11,600
Speaker 17: we take whatever lessons that come out of this and

1569
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:12,719
Speaker 17: adjust accordingly.

1570
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:16,880
Speaker 16: Was every element, every part of his from the intelligence

1571
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:19,479
Speaker 16: to the counter assault team, to the detail agents, the

1572
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:22,360
Speaker 16: shift agents, I mean, every element top to bottom of

1573
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:25,800
Speaker 16: the advance in the operation. Was every element increased after

1574
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 16: you learned of this credible threat.

1575
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:30,640
Speaker 17: What we increased was what we felt was appropriate for

1576
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 17: the former president and for that particular event on that day.

1577
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:37,040
Speaker 17: We have been increasing the assets and the resources and

1578
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 17: the staffing that we have been providing to the former

1579
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 17: president since he was a presidential candidate and then the

1580
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 17: presumptive nominated.

1581
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:44,800
Speaker 9: That's what I can tell you.

1582
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 4: That sounds like a no.

1583
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:48,559
Speaker 17: I am not saying I know at all. I'm saying

1584
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 17: that we have continued to increase the resources that we've

1585
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:52,599
Speaker 17: been providing to the former president.

1586
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:54,799
Speaker 4: So you've got the slope roof excuse.

1587
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 1: You've got here a whole bunch of non answers effectively,

1588
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 1: and then the other effort from the Secret Service has

1589
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 1: been to put the blame on the local police who

1590
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:07,040
Speaker 1: were enlisted in the protection effort. And there may be

1591
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 1: some blame to be laid there by the way, but

1592
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 1: let's put this up on the screen.

1593
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 4: New reporting.

1594
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:15,280
Speaker 1: Apparently the local police had alerted the Secret Service before

1595
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:19,000
Speaker 1: Trump's rally on Saturday that they lacked the resources to

1596
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 1: station a patrol car outside a key building where that

1597
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 1: gunman later positioned himself and shot at Trump. This was

1598
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 1: confirmed by the way by the Secret Service that the

1599
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:31,240
Speaker 1: local police department did not have the manpower to assist

1600
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 1: in securing that building. So what it appears from this

1601
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 1: account is that the Secret Service asked them to secure it,

1602
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 1: they said, no, we can't. We just literally don't have

1603
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 1: the resources, and then it wasn't secured. We also have

1604
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:49,760
Speaker 1: more reporting in this article about the early warnings with

1605
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 1: regard to this shooter being identified. Local media reported that

1606
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:57,560
Speaker 1: before the shooting, a municipal counter sniper had called in

1607
01:19:57,680 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 1: with a report and a photograph of that man, who

1608
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 1: turned out to be crooks acting suspiciously. Another local news

1609
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 1: station reported that officer called in around five forty five pm,

1610
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 1: that is, twenty six minutes before crooks opened fire from

1611
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 1: the roof, and a local newspaper in Beaver County, Pennsylvania

1612
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:20,080
Speaker 1: also reported similarly that that counter sniper Gregory Nicoll made

1613
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:22,760
Speaker 1: a warning of this kind just astonishing.

1614
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:24,640
Speaker 3: Ryan, Yeah, it really is.

1615
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:29,559
Speaker 5: And my early speculation was that perhaps the local police

1616
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:32,280
Speaker 5: that were supposed to secure this building got lazy and

1617
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 5: it was just too hot in the parking lot and

1618
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:35,679
Speaker 5: went inside of the building.

1619
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:38,760
Speaker 3: But it sounds like no, can't even can't even blame

1620
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:39,040
Speaker 3: him for that.

1621
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 5: They said, look, we don't have the manpower to do this,

1622
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 5: and the Secret Service did not respond by then filling

1623
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:50,640
Speaker 5: the gap, which is their job. The answers from the

1624
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:54,760
Speaker 5: secret Secret Service chief just utterly ridiculous.

1625
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 3: Was the perimeter too small?

1626
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:58,840
Speaker 5: She responds by saying, well, the perimeter was the area

1627
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 5: that we were defending. Like stop just giving us definitions

1628
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 5: of things like we know that, but you know you

1629
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 5: were one hundred and fifty yards away. There's a guy

1630
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:12,559
Speaker 5: scampering up a roof and squeezing off like eight shots

1631
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:15,759
Speaker 5: or whatever at the president of the United form president

1632
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:20,600
Speaker 5: of the United States. Just complete and utter failure. And

1633
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:25,640
Speaker 5: it's really impossible to blame Trump supporters who look at

1634
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 5: that and think like they didn't care, like either they

1635
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:32,599
Speaker 5: were actively involved in this or they or they wanted

1636
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:35,599
Speaker 5: it to succeed and so they didn't. They didn't give

1637
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 5: him the resources that he needed. And that was the

1638
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:40,439
Speaker 5: question that the CNN reporter asked there. It's like, Okay,

1639
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 5: the reporting here is that you're claiming I think this

1640
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 5: is I don't believe the reporting on this, but they're

1641
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:51,640
Speaker 5: saying that Iran, you know, there's recent threats that that

1642
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 5: you know, that Iran wants to take out Donald Trump

1643
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:57,960
Speaker 5: in response for him killing Costum SOLMANI. You know, who

1644
01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:01,120
Speaker 5: knows if that intel is remotely act or not. But

1645
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 5: if that's the case, that the Secret Service was told

1646
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:06,600
Speaker 5: there's a heightened risk on President Trump.

1647
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:07,000
Speaker 1: And.

1648
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:10,559
Speaker 5: As you can tell from her answer, that they did

1649
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:14,720
Speaker 5: not up the resources that were going to him in

1650
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 5: every in every capacity. You know, she used this kind

1651
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:22,320
Speaker 5: of present tense, like we were increasing the resources that

1652
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:25,519
Speaker 5: we were offering, which suggest that maybe they were pretending

1653
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:26,840
Speaker 5: that they were going to do it in the future.

1654
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 5: You can't really blame Republicans for being paranoid and asking

1655
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 5: questions about, you know, how how firm the Secret Services

1656
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:38,360
Speaker 5: commitment was to this. Now, you know, I still think

1657
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:40,839
Speaker 5: that you know, in competence, but is there some malicious

1658
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:41,639
Speaker 5: incompetence here?

1659
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:43,439
Speaker 3: It's impossible to.

1660
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:46,720
Speaker 4: Say, yeah, I agree with you. There's plenty here too.

1661
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:49,519
Speaker 1: If you're inclined to think that there is some sort

1662
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:53,320
Speaker 1: of conspiracy or, as you put it, very optly malicious incompetence,

1663
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:55,679
Speaker 1: there's plenty of fuel for that narrative.

1664
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:57,160
Speaker 4: There's no doubt about it.

1665
01:22:57,320 --> 01:23:01,519
Speaker 1: And we also have an interview with local police talking

1666
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:03,600
Speaker 1: about because one of the things we've also learned is

1667
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 1: that local police had responded to these indications from normal

1668
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:09,560
Speaker 1: citizens on the ground, Hey there's a guy up on

1669
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 1: that roof. They went and attempted to climb up on

1670
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:16,599
Speaker 1: the roof. Then the shooter points at the local police officer,

1671
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:19,160
Speaker 1: he drops to the ground, and then the shooter takes

1672
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 1: aim at the former president at that point, so, you know,

1673
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 1: learning this was part of like, well, what the hell

1674
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:27,719
Speaker 1: you just let him take shots at the former president?

1675
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 1: What the hell happened? Here we have their side of

1676
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:32,160
Speaker 1: the story of how this all unfolded. Let's take a

1677
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:32,600
Speaker 1: listen to that.

1678
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:36,120
Speaker 11: In fact, see an individual on the roof with.

1679
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:37,800
Speaker 3: A weapon, he saw the shooter. He did.

1680
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 18: Your officers are on patrol, they hear that there is

1681
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:42,200
Speaker 18: a suspicious person on the rooftop.

1682
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 6: What did your officers do so.

1683
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:46,840
Speaker 11: Our officers in the area started to converge on the

1684
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:49,679
Speaker 11: building by understanding as they did a full perimeter walk

1685
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 11: of the building, weren't able to see up on the roof.

1686
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 11: Two of the officers went to what appeared to be

1687
01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:57,160
Speaker 11: the lowest point from ground to roof. One of the

1688
01:23:57,200 --> 01:24:01,880
Speaker 11: officers actually boosted the second officer up high enough for

1689
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:03,640
Speaker 11: him to grab hold of the roof. When he was

1690
01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:06,479
Speaker 11: able to pull his head up over the roof, he did,

1691
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 11: in fact see an individual on the roof with a weapon.

1692
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 6: He saw a shooter, he did, and what did the

1693
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 6: shooter do?

1694
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:17,000
Speaker 11: Turned towards him, had the barrel of his weapon pointed

1695
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:17,320
Speaker 11: at the.

1696
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:21,400
Speaker 18: Officer at that point the officers hanging on to the

1697
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 18: side of the roof.

1698
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:24,720
Speaker 3: Yes, unable to pull a gun out, unable.

1699
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:27,160
Speaker 6: To unable to defend himself, unable.

1700
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:28,120
Speaker 18: To reach his radio, any of that.

1701
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:33,120
Speaker 11: Yeah, Yeah, strictly defensive movement for him to lower his head.

1702
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 11: Duck lost his own grip right, fell approximately eight feet

1703
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 11: to the ground. It's a steep drop, that's a good drop.

1704
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 6: Yes.

1705
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 9: Did he get hurt? He did?

1706
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 6: In that moment.

1707
01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:44,720
Speaker 18: Did they realize there's a threat right now? To the

1708
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:45,439
Speaker 18: former president.

1709
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:48,360
Speaker 11: They did so, both the boosting officer and the officer

1710
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:51,880
Speaker 11: that fell were both on the radio, indicating that there

1711
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:54,679
Speaker 11: was an individual on the roof that did in fact

1712
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 11: have a weapon.

1713
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:56,479
Speaker 4: Who did they radio?

1714
01:24:57,080 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 11: So there was a blanket tactical channel. Everyone everyone it

1715
01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:03,439
Speaker 11: was on that tackle channel heard it.

1716
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:07,640
Speaker 18: Yes, how much time between that radio communication and the

1717
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:09,719
Speaker 18: gun being fired at the former president?

1718
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:12,639
Speaker 11: I don't have that information.

1719
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:16,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it really is like a Keystone Cops type

1720
01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 1: of situation that he's spelling out here where they're getting

1721
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:22,120
Speaker 1: these reports or someone on the roof boosting each other

1722
01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 1: on their shoulders to get up there, dropping to the ground,

1723
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:28,320
Speaker 1: completely failing to prevent the threat. And then that key

1724
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:30,760
Speaker 1: question at the end of okay, well, when you put

1725
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:34,320
Speaker 1: this notice out to the blanket tactical channel that everyone

1726
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:37,120
Speaker 1: had access to, how long between then and when shots

1727
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:37,639
Speaker 1: are fired?

1728
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 4: And he doesn't have an answer to that one.

1729
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:43,040
Speaker 5: That's the key question. The reporting is that it's just

1730
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 5: kind of seconds, but that is a key question. If

1731
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 5: there's anything more than seconds involved there then because at

1732
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 5: the same time, the counter sniper for the Secret Service

1733
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:57,519
Speaker 5: had identified and was in communication with leaders at that

1734
01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:00,439
Speaker 5: moment and they're saying, no, you don't have authorstion to

1735
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 5: to take this to take this shot. And then that's

1736
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 5: why the counters ever was able to, you know, take

1737
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:09,360
Speaker 5: take the shooter out within seconds of him starting. But

1738
01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:11,920
Speaker 5: then it raises the question of just why not get

1739
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Speaker 5: Trump down? Okay, let's you don't have to necessarily blow

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Speaker 5: the guy's brains out if you're if you're not one

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Speaker 5: hundred percent certain of what's going on here. But what's

1742
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Speaker 5: so eerie about all of these videos of the crowd

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Speaker 5: yelling you know the gun on the roof is you

1744
01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 5: can hear Trump speaking in the background. It's like, just

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Speaker 5: tackle the guy, take him down, and then if you

1746
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Speaker 5: screwed up and it's a false alarm, it's okay, like

1747
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Speaker 5: the old man, I'll have a couple of bruises, but

1748
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Speaker 5: then he can get back.

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Speaker 3: Up and continue delivering his speech.

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Speaker 5: So that that is really the moment where kind of

1751
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:53,320
Speaker 5: they're their their refusal to kind of act leave so

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01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:55,840
Speaker 5: much responsibility on them. It's because we're not expecting them

1753
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:57,840
Speaker 5: to be like Tom Cruise or Jason Bourne and like

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Speaker 5: hold onto the roof with one hand and duck down

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Speaker 5: and grab their weapon and like shoot behind their back

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Speaker 5: or whatever like that. This is not Hollywood, but you

1757
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 5: can like surround the president and protect him right well?

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Speaker 1: You also, I mean you would think as a lay

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Speaker 1: person they would have some ability to get on the

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Speaker 1: roof in a way that if there is you're being

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Speaker 1: told there's a credible threat.

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Speaker 3: But you got up there. This twenty year old kid

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Speaker 3: got up there, right and you're not.

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Speaker 1: Able to approach this in any sort of manner other

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Speaker 1: than getting boosted on someone's shoulders and then falling to

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Speaker 1: the ground. I mean, it's just that's insane. And then

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Speaker 1: the fact that we know that there were reports of

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Speaker 1: the shooter being suspicious and trying to come in with

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Speaker 1: a rangebinder, and then they lose sight of him twenty

1770
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Speaker 1: six minutes before Trump goes on. It also raised the

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Speaker 1: question why was he allowed to go on stage at

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Speaker 1: all when there were such questions being raised and such

1773
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:50,760
Speaker 1: concerns being raised. So I agree with you, it is

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Speaker 1: absolutely insane. The Secret Service director is still in place.

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Speaker 1: I cannot imagine how that is the case. The slope

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Speaker 1: roof thing is utterly preposterous. Non answers and obvious failures,

1777
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:05,280
Speaker 1: utterly preposterous. Like I said, I don't think the local

1778
01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:07,599
Speaker 1: police are off the hook here, but if they told

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Speaker 1: the Secret Service, we can't. We don't have the manpower

1780
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Speaker 1: to secure this roof. The Secret Service was just like,

1781
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Speaker 1: I'm sure it's fine, I have will to deal with.

1782
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:17,680
Speaker 1: It's no big deal. Just go inside and you know,

1783
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:20,879
Speaker 1: stay cool inside the building that is supposed to be secured.

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Speaker 1: It truly, is it truly is astonishing?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very much.

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Speaker 1: All right, Let's get onto the least important story of

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Speaker 1: the Morning. The crew over at Morning Joe very incensed

1788
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Speaker 1: being taken off the air on Monday because of concerns

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Speaker 1: that they may say something inappropriate, inflammatory, et cetera, either

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Speaker 1: them or their large panel of guests. They responded to

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Speaker 1: this on the air, let's take a listen.

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Speaker 19: I wanted to briefly talk to our friends and viewers

1793
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 19: that watch us every day and.

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Speaker 3: Talk about what happened yesterday.

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Speaker 19: We were told in no uncertain terms on the Sunday

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Speaker 19: evening that there was going to be one news feed

1797
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Speaker 19: across all NBC News channels yesterday, the Today's Show would

1798
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Speaker 19: be Lester hold other people that what you worked with

1799
01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 19: on Sunday, and that that was going to be one

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Speaker 19: news feed across all NBC News channels, that we were

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Speaker 19: going to stay as a network in breaking news mode

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Speaker 19: throughout all day yesterday. That did not happen. We don't

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Speaker 19: know why that was didn't happen. Our team was not

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Speaker 19: given a good answer as to why that didn't happen,

1805
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Speaker 19: But it didn't happen. We were also told it was

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Speaker 19: going to happen throughout the day, and I guess after

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Speaker 19: there was such a strong blowback about yesterday morning, I

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01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:51,479
Speaker 19: guess they changed their plans and so those plans changed

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Speaker 19: as well. So it didn't And you know, we've talked

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Speaker 19: about it off the air, We'll talk about it on

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Speaker 19: the air, because as we talked about everything on the air,

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Speaker 19: we were very surprised, we were very disappointed. And if

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Speaker 19: we had known that there wasn't going to be the

1814
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Speaker 19: one news feed from NBC News across all NBC News channels, Willie,

1815
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Speaker 19: we obviously would have been in yesterday morning.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we al wish we would have been here yesterday.

1817
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Speaker 11: We were still or would like to.

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Speaker 19: We'd like to figure out exactly why there wasn't that

1819
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:22,800
Speaker 19: one news feed.

1820
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:25,080
Speaker 20: And I think the reason why is this show began

1821
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:28,960
Speaker 20: and continue seventeen years later on being the place where

1822
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Speaker 20: you can go to have the hard conversations in a

1823
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Speaker 20: civil way. And so it seemed like now more than

1824
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Speaker 20: ever is a day time that we would like to

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Speaker 20: be on, and I think our viewers agree with that.

1826
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Speaker 20: So we continue. We are five minutes past the top

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Speaker 20: of the hour.

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Speaker 19: And let me just say we next time we're told

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Speaker 19: there's going to be a news feed replacing us, we will.

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Speaker 13: Be in our chase sitting here, yeah, and the news

1831
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Speaker 13: feed will be us, or they can get somebody else

1832
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Speaker 13: sitting here.

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Speaker 1: Their audience of one Joe Biden is very upset. I'm

1834
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Speaker 1: sure that they were taken off there for this day,

1835
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:06,040
Speaker 1: but Ryan, what did you make this whole situation?

1836
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Speaker 5: And so what happens if they show up in their

1837
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Speaker 5: chairs but nobody turns the cameras on, because I think

1838
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Speaker 5: you have to do more than just sit in the chairs.

1839
01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:17,920
Speaker 5: But that would be amazing if they sat in their

1840
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:20,120
Speaker 5: chairs and kind of set up a tripod with their

1841
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:24,680
Speaker 5: phones and just went live on his periscope, still a thing.

1842
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Speaker 5: It'd be whatever whatever they are like comfortable with at

1843
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:32,280
Speaker 5: that moment. I'm trying, I'm trying to think, like what

1844
01:31:32,439 --> 01:31:34,920
Speaker 5: kind of event could make it so that we're like,

1845
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:38,120
Speaker 5: oh man, we can't have Crystal on tomorrow morning.

1846
01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:44,599
Speaker 3: It's couldn't go to say or me or Emily or Sagar.

1847
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Speaker 5: But it certainly is not a sign of confidence in

1848
01:31:49,479 --> 01:31:53,679
Speaker 5: your report, in your team of quote unquote journalists, if

1849
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:57,840
Speaker 5: when things are sensitive you can't actually trust them to

1850
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:00,800
Speaker 5: not embarrass you, or you know the other thing that

1851
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:03,600
Speaker 5: it's possible here that's going on. MSNBC is part of

1852
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:10,760
Speaker 5: a gigantic corporate conglomerate which is susceptible to government action

1853
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:14,639
Speaker 5: and government in action. And it doesn't necessarily mean congressional

1854
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:16,960
Speaker 5: There are a lot of you know, administrative actions that

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Speaker 5: that a avengeful government could take that would influence all

1856
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Speaker 5: the different tentacles corporate tentacles that the parent company of

1857
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Speaker 5: MSNBC has, And maybe they're looking at the polls and seeing,

1858
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:32,080
Speaker 5: oh man, you know, it looks like Trump is coming back.

1859
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:35,720
Speaker 5: Trump is known to be, you know, a man that

1860
01:32:36,160 --> 01:32:38,680
Speaker 5: has a long memory when it comes to slights, and

1861
01:32:39,439 --> 01:32:41,639
Speaker 5: so we needed to start closing up to him. Now

1862
01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:45,599
Speaker 5: that is that that is probably more likely than them

1863
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:49,679
Speaker 5: being concerned about them saying something that would anger like viewers.

1864
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Speaker 3: So I don't think. I don't think this was about

1865
01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:52,400
Speaker 3: a viewership.

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Speaker 5: I think this was a kind of straight up kind

1867
01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:57,679
Speaker 5: of political you know, lack of power play.

1868
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Speaker 1: Were like asking what is it that they thought that

1869
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:05,880
Speaker 1: they would say that would be so unacceptable because.

1870
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Speaker 4: Like it's got to be you're worried about.

1871
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:15,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, like just speculating about or even just like openly

1872
01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:17,040
Speaker 5: talking about, well, what if he had been hit and

1873
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:22,400
Speaker 5: how would that play? Like, yeah, what else can what

1874
01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:25,960
Speaker 5: else could they be afraid of? That's because you're right,

1875
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 5: this this doesn't seem like a particularly difficult news environment

1876
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Speaker 5: to broadcast into.

1877
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Speaker 1: Right, It's all you have to do is say political

1878
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:39,000
Speaker 1: violence is wrong, even if it's someone I don't support

1879
01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 1: as a candidate. It's you know, you would think that

1880
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Speaker 1: they could be trusted just to handle the basics.

1881
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Speaker 5: Of that, you would think, But apparently not, because I

1882
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:51,080
Speaker 5: can't think of anything else that they would say that

1883
01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:54,599
Speaker 5: would get them in that kind of hot water.

1884
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:57,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just to take people like a little bit

1885
01:33:57,120 --> 01:34:00,439
Speaker 1: behind the scenes from my now dated cable newsic experience,

1886
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:02,680
Speaker 1: but it's not unusual to have a show that's more

1887
01:34:02,680 --> 01:34:05,600
Speaker 1: of an opinion show be preempted by like, you know,

1888
01:34:05,680 --> 01:34:08,160
Speaker 1: what's considered sort of the hard news reporters you stick

1889
01:34:08,200 --> 01:34:10,400
Speaker 1: a luster hold or whoever their go to now is

1890
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:14,320
Speaker 1: in these breaking news situations. And so it's not like

1891
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:17,280
Speaker 1: that's that crazier than usual, but it sure seems like

1892
01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:19,320
Speaker 1: they lied to the Morning Joe people who are like, yeah,

1893
01:34:19,360 --> 01:34:22,280
Speaker 1: we're just doing rolling coverage and so we're preempting everyone,

1894
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:25,320
Speaker 1: when really they just were preempting them because they had

1895
01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:29,080
Speaker 1: specific concerns about this group. And so, you know, the

1896
01:34:29,160 --> 01:34:31,720
Speaker 1: last comments there from Joe basically like we're not doing

1897
01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:33,840
Speaker 1: that again, and they're going to have to, you know,

1898
01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:36,519
Speaker 1: pry this camera off my face with their cold dead

1899
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:39,479
Speaker 1: hands or whatever. It's kind of a shot at the

1900
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:43,560
Speaker 1: NBC bosses and also an indication of them feeling like,

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01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:46,640
Speaker 1: especially because of their cozy relationship with this president and

1902
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:50,479
Speaker 1: being his official mouthpieces at this point, that they actually

1903
01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:53,200
Speaker 1: have more power in this situation than the NBC bosses do.

1904
01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:57,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, and in fact, specifically in this situation, Mike dropsite

1905
01:34:57,880 --> 01:35:00,679
Speaker 5: College Jeremy Scahill was scheduled to be interview by Aimin

1906
01:35:01,160 --> 01:35:04,160
Speaker 5: at I think seven forty that evening because Amen has

1907
01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:06,600
Speaker 5: his opinion show basically on the on the weekend. He

1908
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:08,559
Speaker 5: was going to talk about this new interview he'd done

1909
01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:13,040
Speaker 5: with the Palestinian Islamic Jahad second in command, And as

1910
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:16,880
Speaker 5: soon as the shooting happened, I told him, you know,

1911
01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:20,280
Speaker 5: use the MSMZ term you're off the hook, Like that's

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01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:22,479
Speaker 5: what they always tell you when you're canceled, you're off

1913
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:25,400
Speaker 5: the hook. Like and sure enough, like about fifteen minutes later,

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Speaker 5: he got an email from the producer like, Yeah, we're

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01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:31,120
Speaker 5: obviously not going to be talking about to Jeremy Scale

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Speaker 5: about this interview that he did. It's just walla wall

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Speaker 5: news now about the assassination. That is that is a

1918
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:43,120
Speaker 5: normal thing, but your main show, you know, ought to

1919
01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:45,760
Speaker 5: be able to handle news. Like that's the weirdest part.

1920
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:49,840
Speaker 5: And also two days later, we're talking Monday morning, it's

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Speaker 5: not as if it's not as if it happened like

1922
01:35:52,040 --> 01:35:53,960
Speaker 5: an hour before they went on air, and they're like, oh,

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01:35:54,040 --> 01:35:55,840
Speaker 5: they'll have time to get their heads right and they're

1924
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:57,920
Speaker 5: going to say something crazy like they had two days

1925
01:35:57,960 --> 01:35:58,519
Speaker 5: to cool down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great point too. That's amazing that Amon

1927
01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:03,599
Speaker 1: wasn't even going to have Jeremy on, to be honest

1928
01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:06,200
Speaker 1: with you, Aman's great. Yeah, full disclay. Aman's an old

1929
01:36:06,360 --> 01:36:10,000
Speaker 1: like one of the few people and some REMMBC days,

1930
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Speaker 1: and it's shown a lot of courage, especially in the

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Speaker 1: face of many being let go clearly for his views

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Speaker 1: on Israel Palestine and his willingness to conduct difficult interviews.

1933
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Speaker 1: So Aimon being willing to host Jeremy for this conversation

1934
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Speaker 1: he had with Palestinian Islamic jihad leaders is good on

1935
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Speaker 1: him for that one, and hopefully he'll he'll be able

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Speaker 1: to get Jeremy back on to.

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Speaker 4: Have some of those conversations.

1938
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Speaker 3: Actually it might have been about Thamas Fishers. I don't

1939
01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:34,240
Speaker 3: think his Pija.

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01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:36,160
Speaker 5: Interview was out yet, but either way, I hope, I

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01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:38,680
Speaker 5: hope that our kind words about Aimin are not used

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Speaker 5: against him in ternally.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we hate it.

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Speaker 1: He's terrible, all right, Ryan, thank you so much for

1945
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:49,200
Speaker 1: helping me out with the show this morning. It's always

1946
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:51,640
Speaker 1: great to hear your thoughts and insights on all of

1947
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Speaker 1: these issues, so I'm really grateful to you for that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just a pleasure to be here. And we

1949
01:36:56,960 --> 01:36:58,519
Speaker 5: don't we don't get to do this enough because it's

1950
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Speaker 5: what I'm feeling. I'm filling in for you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's great chance for the left wing dominance of

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Speaker 3: the show today.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 1: We did get Emily in there at the top, so

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Speaker 1: people got their their dose of right wingness into the

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Speaker 1: show as well. Canvas Dot on that all right, guys,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for watching, bearing with us and

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Speaker 1: what has been a very tumultuous personal week both for

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Speaker 1: myself and for soccer. We're going to continue to have

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Speaker 1: breaking news updates for you as things unfold with Trump's

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Speaker 1: speech tonight and god knows what's going on with the

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Speaker 1: Biden campaigns. Will be watching that as we all also

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Speaker 1: head two soccer speading, so that'll be interesting, and we

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Speaker 1: will see you back here next week