WEBVTT - Biggest Position Battles 0:00:01.240 --> 0:00:06.960 The Around the NFL Podcast is down with the get Down. 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:11.280 Welcome back to another distit of the Around the NFL Podcast. 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:14.920 I'm Greg Rosenthal sitting in for Dan Handas, and I'm 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:19.239 surrounded by a room full of heroes, Mark Sessler, Colleen Wolf, 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:23.240 and Chris Wesseling. Back from vacation. Good to be back. 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:26.720 I mean literally right back from vacation, right from the airport. 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:28.880 Who was a bit of an adventure. Yeah, I've been 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:32.320 here since Thursday. I just haven't left the studio. Chris 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:35.120 rolls in like a complete hero today. I feel like 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:39.280 I'm about today. I mean, you're coming straight from the plane. 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:43.760 You lost your lunch on the plane. We hear you 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:47.560 had a long week in Cincinnati. In in Tybee Island, 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:51.839 patty Um is a much neater city. The first time 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:54.960 I've realized that since I've moved away. Much neater city 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:58.680 over the last ten years. Either like cooler or there's 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:01.640 so many more things that you do. I had two 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:04.120 of the best dinners I've had ever in my life. 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:07.560 Have a try tip sandwich from a place called Taff's 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:10.840 Alehouse that was phenomenal. They talked about this place in 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:13.760 San Luis Obispo, that has these famous try tips. Not 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:16.640 even close. This is the PG version of your trip. Though. Well, wait, 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:19.920 something you beaten did not agree with you. Yeah, something 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:22.520 night last night came back to haunt me on the plane. 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:26.160 But you on the aisland, you could quickly get up 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:29.080 and go to the men's room. I was by the 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:32.920 window and I had to row up. That's that's embarrassing. 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:36.839 This is an incomplete fever dream scenario. West. He's straight 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:39.720 from the flight he took connecting flights today. He's fighting 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:41.800 through pain and he shows right up. It's great to 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:45.559 have him back. We will have Dan back for Thursday's show. 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:48.600 We're taping a day earlier than we told you about today, 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:51.200 Monday and Thursday this week. Hopefully we'll get back to 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:54.680 three shows a week next week. I mean, but it's 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:57.240 good to see you. It's good to be back. It's good. 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:59.160 I mean, it feels like, well, I never really know 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:01.080 if I'm going to come back when I go to Tybie. Well, 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:04.440 you also had good news during your break. Well, that's true. 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:07.760 Do you feel any closer to leaving the NFL Media 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:12.760 Company after this trip? My body can physically handle living 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:15.440 on Tybee. I mean, it just sounds like a great time. 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:18.920 It was incredibly awesome. And you know, you go around 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:21.119 if you're only there for a weekend, everybody I see 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:23.640 is just you know, bear hugs and smiles. It's just awesome. 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:26.400 You. You You also mentioned you heard good news on your 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:29.480 trip because you listened to our Letters from the Future, 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:31.680 which was a very popular segment. Thank you for all 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:33.960 your feedback on that. And you found out that you're 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:36.480 still hanging out with Mark in twenty five years at 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:39.359 the local bar. I like that the alien invasion has 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:41.680 not prevented us in any way from doing what we 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:43.800 do well. Like I was saying, like much to the 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:46.680 dismay of probably my entire family, we are still downing 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:49.720 beers at the Seaside Bar roughly thirty years from now. 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:52.799 I am still wondering about the visitation and why it's 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:55.240 snowing in l A. You know, I'm just glad the 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:56.880 whale are still here. Yeah. I mean, we can only 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:59.400 go off what we got the letter, and it was 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:02.240 very vague, so I I'm with you. Any future Ladders 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:05.000 will spell that out for us. Who knows. How was 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:07.920 your weekend? It was great. My sisters in town, so 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:10.799 spend some time with her. She's coming off of a 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:14.120 road trip um with somebody that she met in Bali 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:17.120 and Australia. Yeah, well they you know what they say, 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:20.600 No one parties like the Wolf Sisters. Right, So, TD, 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:23.160 back behind the glass? Are you planning to leave the 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:25.720 show within the first five minutes this time? I am 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:28.240 here for the show, guys, just sipping on some very 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:31.760 very tee from Starbucks and uh sad, we're some more disturbing. 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:37.119 Russell Wilson tweets the cr you got endorsements, now, product placement, 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:39.640 if you have anything you want to jam into the 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:41.360 show right now, I'll give you the chance before I 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:43.720 ask you to start the news. Just more disturbing. Russell 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:45.480 Wilson tweets, I'm not even gonna talk about that. It's 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:47.760 gonna move on. But just hanging here with co Poler 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:50.440 Brandon its chilling. That's good. All right, Let's do some news, 0:03:57.840 --> 0:03:59.360 and before we get to the news, we will point 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:01.120 out it's a big out. We're gonna talk a little 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:03.800 position battles. Later in the show. We're gonna tape some 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:06.160 of that that'll be up on NFL Now in NFL 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:09.640 dot com. But let's start first with Reggie Wayne. Not 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:11.360 a lot of huge news out there. There was a 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:14.680 report this weekend that a number of teams were showing 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:18.360 interest in the former Cults receiver, Patriots, Raven Texas Packers. 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:21.599 Some teams have now put out there through reporters that 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:24.359 they are not that interested. Do we expect to see 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:30.120 Reggie Wayne in two thousand fifty? I do. I think that. 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:32.000 You know, of course he's lost a step, but I 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:34.400 think the injuries. You know, as we talked about last year, 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:36.520 he had three or four injuries he was playing with 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:38.880 and he just wasn't the same guy. If he's healthy, 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:41.240 you why not give him a kick the tires a 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:43.000 little bit? See what happens. I mean, if you're Bill 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:46.880 Belichick and you've admired Wayne for his entire career, isn't 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:49.039 a perfect type of New England signing? And fans hate 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:51.680 that every time anyone is available. Of course, we we 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:54.000 matched with the Patriots, but the New England does this 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:56.240 kind of thing. And is he better than I don't know, 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:58.919 Brian Tims or someone like that. We don't know he was. 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:01.880 He was not into Yeah, and you look at Yeah, 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:04.800 he's coming off the surgery for the torn tricups and 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:08.360 he also had some elbow issues, but that really contributed 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:10.760 to why he didn't put up a lot of good 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:14.320 numbers last year. And roster is like the Ravens, they 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:17.960 could use just if anything, just somebody is serviceable backup 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:20.600 if anything else. And that fits because he's not gonna 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.000 want to go play for a team that's, you know, 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:27.239 staring down a five winds season. I think that's true. 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:29.520 But I think he'll play. He wants to play, and 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:33.400 he's not gonna have options. I think his eight yard 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:36.800 catch in Week seventeen against the Titans really stands out 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:38.920 to me as one of the sadder players you'll see 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:41.599 because he couldn't run anymore. He got an eight yard 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:44.640 catch out of the play, but he couldn't move, and 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:47.239 I just thought, they're like, are we watching the last play? 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:49.920 Essentially the last significant play of Reggy Wayne's career. I 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:52.040 don't think he's gonna be back. It's a bad sign. 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:56.520 This report came out, um and then within hours both 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:59.599 the Texans and Patriots there were local reporters saying they 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:02.760 don't have any interests, So that totally dismissing the well concept. 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:05.000 I just had, well who knows. Maybe that reporter is wrong. 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:07.120 You know, people are off I wouldn't shock me maybe 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:09.160 if he if he signed after week one when the 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:12.320 contracts aren't guaranteed. But wait, the hidden story here. Is 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:15.040 it not bad for the Titans that a guy who 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:17.920 can't run scordin eight yard touchdown on them? Well, it 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:20.680 was opened. It was opened by like fifty yards or 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:23.000 something crazy like that, and he couldn't he couldn't move down. 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:26.800 I think he's gonna really start that clock to to Canton. 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:28.359 Do we think reggi Wan is a Hall of Famer? 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:31.400 Is it? I feel like this debate debate has coming 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:34.000 up every year over Twitter for the past five years, 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:37.320 and I specifically specifically remember and Andre Johnson versus Reggie 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:39.800 Wayne debate, and I think Johnson was a much much 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:42.599 better player. I don't think it's close. I think Reggie 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:44.800 Wayne will have a decent chance, though, if you kind 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:47.679 of compare him to he gets in and Steve Smith doesn't, 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:49.680 I'm going to be incredibly upset. All that Hall of 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:54.880 Fames just depends who's out there, though, Cameron Hayward, you 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:56.800 know it's a little thin right now. These are really 0:06:57.000 --> 0:06:59.960 kind of the last show as we're doing, and these 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:02.000 they are the shows where we make our money. I mean, 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:04.280 I was proud of Thursday's show. We did Letters from 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:08.320 the Future, we did senior superlatives. We're just making things 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:10.560 up out of thin air. Let's be honest, because there's 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:12.640 no news right now. We're about a week away from 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:16.280 training camp happening. There was some news though on Friday. 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:19.400 It was late Thursday night. Really, Cameron Hayward uh signed 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:22.840 a six year deal with the Steelers just quickly. You know, 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:26.640 he's getting almost ten million dollars per season. They've been 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:29.840 looking for guys to kind of build around on defense. 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:32.560 Cameron Hayward's clearly a guy that they feel they can 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:34.520 build around. Yeah. They I mean, they kind of had 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:37.520 to keep him considering all the losses that they endured 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:39.720 during the off season. You look at just from a 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:42.880 continuity standpoint, they sort of need him to be there 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:46.640 to keep the guys that are there together. Yeah, the 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:49.720 best defensive player is Lawrence Timmins, who you know, you 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:51.680 look up and all of a sudden, he's entering his 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:54.280 ninth or tenth season. He's no longer a young guy. 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:57.280 I think they're gonna build around Cameron Hayward and Ryan Cheesier. 0:07:57.400 --> 0:07:59.760 He's one of the few guys that you know, produced 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:02.120 and ms of sacks last season. He can rush the 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:05.200 passer and it's hard in that defense relies on that 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:07.600 and they don't have you know, there's a massive transition 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:09.960 happening that I didn't realize how well he played at 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:11.800 the end of the season. He ended up with seven 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:15.200 and a half sacks, twelve QB hits in thirty eight hurries, 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:17.960 which is big production for a three four defense e 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:20.040 vent and in most of it was in the last 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:22.160 half of the season. Reminds me a little bit of 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:25.240 Jason Worlds, who came on at the end of his 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:28.880 rookie contract. The Steelers have been known to develop these 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:31.720 defensive guys slowly. I mean, that's what they used to do, 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:34.640 and they don't really have as many of those guys now. 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:38.240 Haywards a guy they like. Timmins is now. It's weird 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:40.880 to think, but he's the big veteran guy there. That 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:43.760 all the big names are gone, they need other guys 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:46.280 and we'll talk about that a little later. Jarvis Jones. 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:47.960 They have a rookie, but I mean they need some 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:49.520 other people to step up. It's a good thing. Their 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:51.760 offense is going to score about thirty five points a game. 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:56.640 It's the Bizarro Steelers, a totally mediocre defense and uh 0:08:56.679 --> 0:09:00.360 a great offense. Another great offense of course. Uh my 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:06.679 New England Patriot through uh. Julian Edelman had some quotes 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:10.000 this weekend that you, uh, you don't wanna a mad 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:12.839 Tom Brady. That Tom Brady right now is a little 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:15.640 bit ticked off, and if you're an opponent, that's not 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:18.040 the kind of Tom Brady you want to see. Do 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:21.520 you think this sort of offseason stuff, ticked off Tom Brady, 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:25.320 that he's upset, makes any difference in the world. Zero. 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:27.720 I think he plays every game like he's pistol. Yeah. 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:30.080 I mean, he's already one of the most hyper competitive 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:32.240 people to ever play in the NFL. I mean, I 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:34.320 think it matters a little bit with a guy like 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:39.280 Adrian Peterson, where he is seems like a house on fire. Brady, 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:41.520 You're absolutely right. I mean, remember him coming down the 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:43.679 tunnel with the Super Bowl and it's no different than 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:47.680 Week three that was on the same Dude, We've seen 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:50.439 him look really angry on the sidelines when things aren't 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:53.720 going right But to me this quote, it's just like, oh, 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:57.480 Tom Brady is angry, better watch out for the Patriots. Well, okay, great, yeah, 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:03.400 I mean, he's just good. The problem it's always angry, though, 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:05.680 and I think keeping that edge is what a lot 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:10.360 of great players due to stay great, and there is something. 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:12.120 I don't think the fact that he's angry is gonna 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:16.440 make them any better necessarily, but I do think it's 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:18.920 not a bad thing for this Patriots team and Tom 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:22.719 Brady coming off a title that felt like a coronation, 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:26.120 like the title the final thing that they were trying 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:29.560 to get in this whole Brady Belichick era, that this story, 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:32.120 that the fighting back against the flake, it it gives 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:35.280 them something different. Okay, here's something different. We just want 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:37.079 a super Bowl. If there was any chance of even 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:39.880 getting a little complaint, this season is totally different, and 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:41.720 we can kind of separate that and be piste off 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:43.960 about that. Well, I know the league would rather none 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:46.640 of this ever happened, because it's it takes the opener 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:50.400 and completely sideswipes that. But the idea that the schedule makers, 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:54.120 without knowing what was going on, have this thing lined 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:57.360 up where he could come back on national TV against 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:00.320 of all teams, the Cults. I mean, it all els 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:04.240 absolutely fictionalized. On some point. The Cults are a team 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:08.240 we think could be racking up some big numbers this year. Really, 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:10.400 the team like that that we thought would be breaking 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:12.320 all the records over the last few years was the 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:16.000 Denver Broncos and to Mary's Thomas was quoted during his 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:19.360 press conference after his contract was signed that he still 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:22.280 wants to be breaking records, that his goal now is 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:24.400 to break two thousand yards, just to break the all 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:29.280 time receiving record in a season. This comment stuck out 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:31.520 to me. I'll ask you guys if if it's stuck 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:33.720 out to you in any way. It did, just because 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:36.320 I wonder if he can do it with Gary Kubiak 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:38.480 there now on the system that they're running. I think 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:40.680 any other year, yeah, he would have a chance. With 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:43.040 Peyton and to marry as them together, they're great, But 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:45.720 now with Gary Kubiak in there, I don't know. I 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:48.440 think he makes some good points that he was basically 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:50.560 unproductive the first three games of last year when he 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:53.240 was playing through a foot injury, So if not for that, 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:55.120 he could have flirted with it last year. But the 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:57.200 big question to me. I think the biggest question in 0:11:57.240 --> 0:11:59.120 the NFL is which Peyton Manning are we going to 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:01.000 see this year? Yeah, and he really had about a 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:03.839 hundred yards over the first three weeks, and if you 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:06.160 tabulate out what it what he would have done if 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:08.040 it was the way he finished the year, because he 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:10.560 had like something two thirty and week four. But the 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:12.960 Colleen's point, it's not that offense anymore. It's not that 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:15.400 offense and it's not it's maybe not that quarterback and 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:17.920 like they're gonna run the ball, and that's what Kubiak 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:21.360 has always done. It's still Kubiak had match shop for 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:23.920 many years. He did not have Peyton Manning. If Peyton 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:26.080 Manning is the guy we know, so they're not, it's 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:28.120 gonna be a mesh of what he's been and what 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:30.080 the Broncos were as well. I mean, if he did 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:32.559 break two thousand yards, that might be the greatest individual 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:35.240 season of all time, because nineteen hundred of them is 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:36.800 going to have to be after the catch, because all 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:39.280 Peyton Manning does is throwing those little bubble screens or 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:41.959 whatever and make him go run. Well, dig Wayne, can 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:44.040 I go for eighty yards? So can this guy. He's 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:46.760 not catching passing. He's not catching deep passes for Peton Manning. 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:49.760 At least he hasn't been That was Tebow's territory. Thirty 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:52.840 nine year old quarterbacks aren't known for taking bold chances 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.840 down the field and throwing balls into tight windows. Yeah, 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:58.280 I think that it's gonna be a totally different scene. 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:02.560 I think fantasy owners uh are adapting to that. They're 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:05.920 gonna draft Emmanuel Sanders de Marius Thomas a little later. 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:09.200 I mean, I'm taking them Colleen Fantasy. I don't know, 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:11.720 because no, the thing for me is c J. Anderson 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:15.240 that because everybody has him ranked really high, and I 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:17.640 don't know if I'm like putting him as like number 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:20.840 eight on my board, everybody the same people were putting 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:24.280 monte Ball number eight on their book and Ronnie Hillman 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:26.560 the year before then, I'm not touching. I mean Emmanuel 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:29.320 Sanders if that's the thing. Why another reason why Thomas? 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:32.240 I mean, I would say over under under fift hundred 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:35.800 yards just because that's hard to do. And Emmanuel Sanders 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:38.440 is on the team. Thomas is a better player, but 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:40.200 they're kind of one and one A. It's not like 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:45.360 I see Thomas and Sanders is two totally totally different players. Um. 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:48.240 Another guy we think we'll have a big year this 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:51.520 year is Khalil Mack. And we'll wrap up our news 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:53.360 just with a quick note that Khalil Mack was our 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:57.000 number one player on our making the Leap series, UH, 0:13:57.040 --> 0:14:01.280 the award winning production. UM. On any continents, it's a 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:04.720 big international box office hit. Hadn't wrapped up for the 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:06.720 third park, tried to get it shut down at one point, 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:10.600 Well let's work in the summer. Well you're you're let's 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:12.360 be honest. I enjoyed it this. We're a little cell 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:15.040 shocked from some of your players last year, some of 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:17.760 all of our players didn't play as well as you 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:19.960 would have hoped. And it it felt like you took 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:22.400 it personally. Well, I had some tomato cans thrust on 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:27.640 me right, ten thousand words about this. Really we were 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:30.640 pushing the Jaguars two thousand fourteen. I don't remember how 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:32.800 it went down, but it did not feel just wow. 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:35.840 So you campaigned against this actively, Well it was not 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:39.120 so much actively because that would have angered Greg. But um, 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:41.520 it was subtle. It was like, maybe we can do without. 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:44.040 And but I was wrong. Obviously one thing Mark is 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:47.360 not great at as being subtle. How did get whatever 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:51.520 little colonels? Dan got out of it with a ten 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.720 day vacation teared along with his pain rankings, So he 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:56.480 put a lot of work into the pain rankings, so 0:14:56.520 --> 0:15:00.240 he got out of making the leap quickly. Backtracking from that, Yeah, 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:02.440 Mark that Dan was doing his pain ranking. That's seven 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:05.520 big features in a row. Uh. That countdown continues this week, 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:08.320 number three two and one being unveiled Tuesday through Thursday. 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:10.320 Dan will be back on Thursday show and so we'll 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:14.480 we'll have a full faint pain ranking discussion. Then Dan 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:17.800 gets stuck doing pop culture things every once in a while. 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:19.480 So I feel like that balance is a ledger out, 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:23.520 a little bit stock get stuck. That's his thing. That's 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:25.960 how you'd view it, and that's potentially how I was 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:28.240 just sticking up for you. Dan. You're saying you don't 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:31.080 you didn't want to write the Marshawn Lynch playing kickball? 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:33.800 Know what that means when you were gone last week? 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:37.080 Why would anybody write about a guy playing kickball? Did? 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:41.920 Was the number one story site by far out to 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:43.960 Manuke who wrote that up, I like I like it 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:46.080 when a story takes like three minutes to write and 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:48.800 then it gets all the clicks. All right, Um, that's 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:52.200 it for news today. Actually, wait, let's get let's get 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:54.360 a couple of thoughts just quickly on on making the leap? 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:56.400 If if if you had any sort of takeaways after doing 0:15:56.440 --> 0:16:00.920 everything this season, was there any any prize that you had, 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:03.920 anyone that got left off? Any thoughts? I think the 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:06.360 most interesting is who got left off? And one guy 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:09.920 who we almost shoehorned in after the proceedings already started 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:13.080 was Allen Robinson of the Jaguars, who drew raves all 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:15.760 throughout spring, and I liked his rookie your table up, 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:18.000 so you wanted to add if you could do another 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:20.120 player on making the leap, you would add I would 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:23.000 add Allen Robinson. Okay, well, the one good year that 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:27.160 uh Rob Bryan had coaching in the last half a decade, 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:30.200 we correctly picked him as I'm making the leap candidates 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:32.080 right in New Orleans, and I always like to do 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:34.600 a coach the same year I did Dennis Allen making 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:38.200 the leap. There you go, that started the softball pants. 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:40.800 That's disturbing. I mean, we didn't do a coach. This 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:43.840 time we all seek away from that. Last time I 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:47.280 picked us Bradley, that was an absolute tire fire. So 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:49.640 though that was tough for you, because it's you. I 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:52.600 don't know if if you've ever been to Mark's bedroom, Colleen, 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:57.760 probably not. Um, he's no reason, I just gotta anyone here. 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:02.160 It's weird. Mark actually as to start every season thirty 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:05.520 two different posters on the ceiling of all the offensive 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:08.000 coordinators in the league, and then as the season goes along, 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:10.359 he slowly takes them off one by one. That's how 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:13.080 much he loves the coordinators. Because Greg has been You've 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:21.080 been there, you know somehow this is our making the 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:25.040 leave takeaway. Um, I listen, not a coordinator, a head 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:27.919 coach that I think we missed the boat on because 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:30.000 this is a huge hype filled boat and it's the 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:35.520 Minnesota Vikings boat, not that boat, a different boat. And yeah, 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:37.600 well it's a lot of boats. It's gotten Mike Zimmer, 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:39.719 how about him. I think Mike Zimmer should have been 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:42.600 are making the leap coaching candidate because I think the 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:45.359 stars are finally aligned and gets a lot of Vikings, 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:48.199 three Vikings on it as is well. Anthony Barr, who 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:50.200 Let's be honest, if if I did it again, I 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:52.640 wouldn't have put him number three. I like Anthony Bar. 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:55.280 I would have put some of my guys, like Jason Varette. 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:56.720 I would put him in the top five. I think 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:59.840 he's got well he only he only rose up because 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.320 you yourself were on a break and came back. He 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:04.600 was gonna be number five. We were moving pieces up 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:06.720 because we didn't. You gotta be number five. Yeah, that's 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:09.320 a little peek behind the curtain, but yeah, Zimmer could be. Well, 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:11.720 we've almost chose him just because we have so many Vikings. 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:14.119 If you if all these are correct, if we're saying 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:16.080 we're right, then you've got a bunch of good players. 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:20.119 You've got Adrian Peterson back, Mike Wallace, You've got Norv Turner, 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:26.040 You've got a quarterbacks. He's not making this team was 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:30.560 definitely trending toward team. Of that. I have a problem 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:32.600 because I agree with all that, and I like, I 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:34.600 want to root for the Vikings, and yet they have 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:37.720 that thing where they're the team now that it is trendy, 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:40.800 and then I immediately am repulsed by that. So it's 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:43.720 about the Cardinals worrying facts. I always like the Cardinals. Well, 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:45.479 Teddy Bridgewater came out and he was like, we're not 0:18:45.560 --> 0:18:48.320 as good as you guys are saying, Dan, you're instilling 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:52.040 green Bay's division by the way, right, So well that's 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:56.680 that's making the leap two thousand. Any takeaways from Colleen, guys, 0:18:56.720 --> 0:19:01.680 I think he did a great job work. Yeah, potentially 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:03.160 the last year that we do it in your mind, 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:06.520 I don't know what the right answer is. Definitely going 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:09.960 to do it again. You know it was, and it 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:12.680 goes we're gonna do it. I really like Brett. I mean, 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:15.000 I like, I like when you you start to like 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:17.119 players a little bit. I mean you automatically start to 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:19.080 like players a little more if you throw them on 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:22.120 their tyrone. Crawford's headed for defensive Rookie of the Year there, 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:24.679 I mean player of the year. Whoa, I'm just kidding. 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:27.800 That's not really gonna happen. All right, let's get two 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:32.359 our position battles segment Alright, we're gonna go through eight 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:36.240 of the most intriguing position battles across the league, and 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:39.880 let's start with Colleen. No surprise, really, where you're gonna 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:41.520