Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast is down with the get Down.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to another distit of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal sitting in for Dan Handas, and I'm
Speaker 1: surrounded by a room full of heroes, Mark Sessler, Colleen Wolf,
Speaker 1: and Chris Wesseling. Back from vacation. Good to be back.
Speaker 1: I mean literally right back from vacation, right from the airport.
Speaker 1: Who was a bit of an adventure. Yeah, I've been
Speaker 1: here since Thursday. I just haven't left the studio. Chris
Speaker 1: rolls in like a complete hero today. I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm about today. I mean, you're coming straight from the plane.
Speaker 1: You lost your lunch on the plane. We hear you
Speaker 1: had a long week in Cincinnati. In in Tybee Island,
Speaker 1: patty Um is a much neater city. The first time
Speaker 1: I've realized that since I've moved away. Much neater city
Speaker 1: over the last ten years. Either like cooler or there's
Speaker 1: so many more things that you do. I had two
Speaker 1: of the best dinners I've had ever in my life.
Speaker 1: Have a try tip sandwich from a place called Taff's
Speaker 1: Alehouse that was phenomenal. They talked about this place in
Speaker 1: San Luis Obispo, that has these famous try tips. Not
Speaker 1: even close. This is the PG version of your trip. Though. Well, wait,
Speaker 1: something you beaten did not agree with you. Yeah, something
Speaker 1: night last night came back to haunt me on the plane.
Speaker 1: But you on the aisland, you could quickly get up
Speaker 1: and go to the men's room. I was by the
Speaker 1: window and I had to row up. That's that's embarrassing.
Speaker 1: This is an incomplete fever dream scenario. West. He's straight
Speaker 1: from the flight he took connecting flights today. He's fighting
Speaker 1: through pain and he shows right up. It's great to
Speaker 1: have him back. We will have Dan back for Thursday's show.
Speaker 1: We're taping a day earlier than we told you about today,
Speaker 1: Monday and Thursday this week. Hopefully we'll get back to
Speaker 1: three shows a week next week. I mean, but it's
Speaker 1: good to see you. It's good to be back. It's good.
Speaker 1: I mean, it feels like, well, I never really know
Speaker 1: if I'm going to come back when I go to Tybie. Well,
Speaker 1: you also had good news during your break. Well, that's true.
Speaker 1: Do you feel any closer to leaving the NFL Media
Speaker 1: Company after this trip? My body can physically handle living
Speaker 1: on Tybee. I mean, it just sounds like a great time.
Speaker 1: It was incredibly awesome. And you know, you go around
Speaker 1: if you're only there for a weekend, everybody I see
Speaker 1: is just you know, bear hugs and smiles. It's just awesome.
Speaker 1: You. You You also mentioned you heard good news on your
Speaker 1: trip because you listened to our Letters from the Future,
Speaker 1: which was a very popular segment. Thank you for all
Speaker 1: your feedback on that. And you found out that you're
Speaker 1: still hanging out with Mark in twenty five years at
Speaker 1: the local bar. I like that the alien invasion has
Speaker 1: not prevented us in any way from doing what we
Speaker 1: do well. Like I was saying, like much to the
Speaker 1: dismay of probably my entire family, we are still downing
Speaker 1: beers at the Seaside Bar roughly thirty years from now.
Speaker 1: I am still wondering about the visitation and why it's
Speaker 1: snowing in l A. You know, I'm just glad the
Speaker 1: whale are still here. Yeah. I mean, we can only
Speaker 1: go off what we got the letter, and it was
Speaker 1: very vague, so I I'm with you. Any future Ladders
Speaker 1: will spell that out for us. Who knows. How was
Speaker 1: your weekend? It was great. My sisters in town, so
Speaker 1: spend some time with her. She's coming off of a
Speaker 1: road trip um with somebody that she met in Bali
Speaker 1: and Australia. Yeah, well they you know what they say,
Speaker 1: No one parties like the Wolf Sisters. Right, So, TD,
Speaker 1: back behind the glass? Are you planning to leave the
Speaker 1: show within the first five minutes this time? I am
Speaker 1: here for the show, guys, just sipping on some very
Speaker 1: very tee from Starbucks and uh sad, we're some more disturbing.
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson tweets the cr you got endorsements, now, product placement,
Speaker 1: if you have anything you want to jam into the
Speaker 1: show right now, I'll give you the chance before I
Speaker 1: ask you to start the news. Just more disturbing. Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson tweets, I'm not even gonna talk about that. It's
Speaker 1: gonna move on. But just hanging here with co Poler
Speaker 1: Brandon its chilling. That's good. All right, Let's do some news,
Speaker 1: and before we get to the news, we will point
Speaker 1: out it's a big out. We're gonna talk a little
Speaker 1: position battles. Later in the show. We're gonna tape some
Speaker 1: of that that'll be up on NFL Now in NFL
Speaker 1: dot com. But let's start first with Reggie Wayne. Not
Speaker 1: a lot of huge news out there. There was a
Speaker 1: report this weekend that a number of teams were showing
Speaker 1: interest in the former Cults receiver, Patriots, Raven Texas Packers.
Speaker 1: Some teams have now put out there through reporters that
Speaker 1: they are not that interested. Do we expect to see
Speaker 1: Reggie Wayne in two thousand fifty? I do. I think that.
Speaker 1: You know, of course he's lost a step, but I
Speaker 1: think the injuries. You know, as we talked about last year,
Speaker 1: he had three or four injuries he was playing with
Speaker 1: and he just wasn't the same guy. If he's healthy,
Speaker 1: you why not give him a kick the tires a
Speaker 1: little bit? See what happens. I mean, if you're Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick and you've admired Wayne for his entire career, isn't
Speaker 1: a perfect type of New England signing? And fans hate
Speaker 1: that every time anyone is available. Of course, we we
Speaker 1: matched with the Patriots, but the New England does this
Speaker 1: kind of thing. And is he better than I don't know,
Speaker 1: Brian Tims or someone like that. We don't know he was.
Speaker 1: He was not into Yeah, and you look at Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's coming off the surgery for the torn tricups and
Speaker 1: he also had some elbow issues, but that really contributed
Speaker 1: to why he didn't put up a lot of good
Speaker 1: numbers last year. And roster is like the Ravens, they
Speaker 1: could use just if anything, just somebody is serviceable backup
Speaker 1: if anything else. And that fits because he's not gonna
Speaker 1: want to go play for a team that's, you know,
Speaker 1: staring down a five winds season. I think that's true.
Speaker 1: But I think he'll play. He wants to play, and
Speaker 1: he's not gonna have options. I think his eight yard
Speaker 1: catch in Week seventeen against the Titans really stands out
Speaker 1: to me as one of the sadder players you'll see
Speaker 1: because he couldn't run anymore. He got an eight yard
Speaker 1: catch out of the play, but he couldn't move, and
Speaker 1: I just thought, they're like, are we watching the last play?
Speaker 1: Essentially the last significant play of Reggy Wayne's career. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna be back. It's a bad sign.
Speaker 1: This report came out, um and then within hours both
Speaker 1: the Texans and Patriots there were local reporters saying they
Speaker 1: don't have any interests, So that totally dismissing the well concept.
Speaker 1: I just had, well who knows. Maybe that reporter is wrong.
Speaker 1: You know, people are off I wouldn't shock me maybe
Speaker 1: if he if he signed after week one when the
Speaker 1: contracts aren't guaranteed. But wait, the hidden story here. Is
Speaker 1: it not bad for the Titans that a guy who
Speaker 1: can't run scordin eight yard touchdown on them? Well, it
Speaker 1: was opened. It was opened by like fifty yards or
Speaker 1: something crazy like that, and he couldn't he couldn't move down.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna really start that clock to to Canton.
Speaker 1: Do we think reggi Wan is a Hall of Famer?
Speaker 1: Is it? I feel like this debate debate has coming
Speaker 1: up every year over Twitter for the past five years,
Speaker 1: and I specifically specifically remember and Andre Johnson versus Reggie
Speaker 1: Wayne debate, and I think Johnson was a much much
Speaker 1: better player. I don't think it's close. I think Reggie
Speaker 1: Wayne will have a decent chance, though, if you kind
Speaker 1: of compare him to he gets in and Steve Smith doesn't,
Speaker 1: I'm going to be incredibly upset. All that Hall of
Speaker 1: Fames just depends who's out there, though, Cameron Hayward, you
Speaker 1: know it's a little thin right now. These are really
Speaker 1: kind of the last show as we're doing, and these
Speaker 1: they are the shows where we make our money. I mean,
Speaker 1: I was proud of Thursday's show. We did Letters from
Speaker 1: the Future, we did senior superlatives. We're just making things
Speaker 1: up out of thin air. Let's be honest, because there's
Speaker 1: no news right now. We're about a week away from
Speaker 1: training camp happening. There was some news though on Friday.
Speaker 1: It was late Thursday night. Really, Cameron Hayward uh signed
Speaker 1: a six year deal with the Steelers just quickly. You know,
Speaker 1: he's getting almost ten million dollars per season. They've been
Speaker 1: looking for guys to kind of build around on defense.
Speaker 1: Cameron Hayward's clearly a guy that they feel they can
Speaker 1: build around. Yeah. They I mean, they kind of had
Speaker 1: to keep him considering all the losses that they endured
Speaker 1: during the off season. You look at just from a
Speaker 1: continuity standpoint, they sort of need him to be there
Speaker 1: to keep the guys that are there together. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: best defensive player is Lawrence Timmins, who you know, you
Speaker 1: look up and all of a sudden, he's entering his
Speaker 1: ninth or tenth season. He's no longer a young guy.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna build around Cameron Hayward and Ryan Cheesier.
Speaker 1: He's one of the few guys that you know, produced
Speaker 1: and ms of sacks last season. He can rush the
Speaker 1: passer and it's hard in that defense relies on that
Speaker 1: and they don't have you know, there's a massive transition
Speaker 1: happening that I didn't realize how well he played at
Speaker 1: the end of the season. He ended up with seven
Speaker 1: and a half sacks, twelve QB hits in thirty eight hurries,
Speaker 1: which is big production for a three four defense e
Speaker 1: vent and in most of it was in the last
Speaker 1: half of the season. Reminds me a little bit of
Speaker 1: Jason Worlds, who came on at the end of his
Speaker 1: rookie contract. The Steelers have been known to develop these
Speaker 1: defensive guys slowly. I mean, that's what they used to do,
Speaker 1: and they don't really have as many of those guys now.
Speaker 1: Haywards a guy they like. Timmins is now. It's weird
Speaker 1: to think, but he's the big veteran guy there. That
Speaker 1: all the big names are gone, they need other guys
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about that a little later. Jarvis Jones.
Speaker 1: They have a rookie, but I mean they need some
Speaker 1: other people to step up. It's a good thing. Their
Speaker 1: offense is going to score about thirty five points a game.
Speaker 1: It's the Bizarro Steelers, a totally mediocre defense and uh
Speaker 1: a great offense. Another great offense of course. Uh my
Speaker 1: New England Patriot through uh. Julian Edelman had some quotes
Speaker 1: this weekend that you, uh, you don't wanna a mad
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. That Tom Brady right now is a little
Speaker 1: bit ticked off, and if you're an opponent, that's not
Speaker 1: the kind of Tom Brady you want to see. Do
Speaker 1: you think this sort of offseason stuff, ticked off Tom Brady,
Speaker 1: that he's upset, makes any difference in the world. Zero.
Speaker 1: I think he plays every game like he's pistol. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's already one of the most hyper competitive
Speaker 1: people to ever play in the NFL. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think it matters a little bit with a guy like
Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson, where he is seems like a house on fire. Brady,
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. I mean, remember him coming down the
Speaker 1: tunnel with the Super Bowl and it's no different than
Speaker 1: Week three that was on the same Dude, We've seen
Speaker 1: him look really angry on the sidelines when things aren't
Speaker 1: going right But to me this quote, it's just like, oh,
Speaker 1: Tom Brady is angry, better watch out for the Patriots. Well, okay, great, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just good. The problem it's always angry, though,
Speaker 1: and I think keeping that edge is what a lot
Speaker 1: of great players due to stay great, and there is something.
Speaker 1: I don't think the fact that he's angry is gonna
Speaker 1: make them any better necessarily, but I do think it's
Speaker 1: not a bad thing for this Patriots team and Tom
Speaker 1: Brady coming off a title that felt like a coronation,
Speaker 1: like the title the final thing that they were trying
Speaker 1: to get in this whole Brady Belichick era, that this story,
Speaker 1: that the fighting back against the flake, it it gives
Speaker 1: them something different. Okay, here's something different. We just want
Speaker 1: a super Bowl. If there was any chance of even
Speaker 1: getting a little complaint, this season is totally different, and
Speaker 1: we can kind of separate that and be piste off
Speaker 1: about that. Well, I know the league would rather none
Speaker 1: of this ever happened, because it's it takes the opener
Speaker 1: and completely sideswipes that. But the idea that the schedule makers,
Speaker 1: without knowing what was going on, have this thing lined
Speaker 1: up where he could come back on national TV against
Speaker 1: of all teams, the Cults. I mean, it all els
Speaker 1: absolutely fictionalized. On some point. The Cults are a team
Speaker 1: we think could be racking up some big numbers this year. Really,
Speaker 1: the team like that that we thought would be breaking
Speaker 1: all the records over the last few years was the
Speaker 1: Denver Broncos and to Mary's Thomas was quoted during his
Speaker 1: press conference after his contract was signed that he still
Speaker 1: wants to be breaking records, that his goal now is
Speaker 1: to break two thousand yards, just to break the all
Speaker 1: time receiving record in a season. This comment stuck out
Speaker 1: to me. I'll ask you guys if if it's stuck
Speaker 1: out to you in any way. It did, just because
Speaker 1: I wonder if he can do it with Gary Kubiak
Speaker 1: there now on the system that they're running. I think
Speaker 1: any other year, yeah, he would have a chance. With
Speaker 1: Peyton and to marry as them together, they're great, But
Speaker 1: now with Gary Kubiak in there, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think he makes some good points that he was basically
Speaker 1: unproductive the first three games of last year when he
Speaker 1: was playing through a foot injury, So if not for that,
Speaker 1: he could have flirted with it last year. But the
Speaker 1: big question to me. I think the biggest question in
Speaker 1: the NFL is which Peyton Manning are we going to
Speaker 1: see this year? Yeah, and he really had about a
Speaker 1: hundred yards over the first three weeks, and if you
Speaker 1: tabulate out what it what he would have done if
Speaker 1: it was the way he finished the year, because he
Speaker 1: had like something two thirty and week four. But the
Speaker 1: Colleen's point, it's not that offense anymore. It's not that
Speaker 1: offense and it's not it's maybe not that quarterback and
Speaker 1: like they're gonna run the ball, and that's what Kubiak
Speaker 1: has always done. It's still Kubiak had match shop for
Speaker 1: many years. He did not have Peyton Manning. If Peyton
Speaker 1: Manning is the guy we know, so they're not, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a mesh of what he's been and what
Speaker 1: the Broncos were as well. I mean, if he did
Speaker 1: break two thousand yards, that might be the greatest individual
Speaker 1: season of all time, because nineteen hundred of them is
Speaker 1: going to have to be after the catch, because all
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning does is throwing those little bubble screens or
Speaker 1: whatever and make him go run. Well, dig Wayne, can
Speaker 1: I go for eighty yards? So can this guy. He's
Speaker 1: not catching passing. He's not catching deep passes for Peton Manning.
Speaker 1: At least he hasn't been That was Tebow's territory. Thirty
Speaker 1: nine year old quarterbacks aren't known for taking bold chances
Speaker 1: down the field and throwing balls into tight windows. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that it's gonna be a totally different scene.
Speaker 1: I think fantasy owners uh are adapting to that. They're
Speaker 1: gonna draft Emmanuel Sanders de Marius Thomas a little later.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm taking them Colleen Fantasy. I don't know,
Speaker 1: because no, the thing for me is c J. Anderson
Speaker 1: that because everybody has him ranked really high, and I
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm like putting him as like number
Speaker 1: eight on my board, everybody the same people were putting
Speaker 1: monte Ball number eight on their book and Ronnie Hillman
Speaker 1: the year before then, I'm not touching. I mean Emmanuel
Speaker 1: Sanders if that's the thing. Why another reason why Thomas?
Speaker 1: I mean, I would say over under under fift hundred
Speaker 1: yards just because that's hard to do. And Emmanuel Sanders
Speaker 1: is on the team. Thomas is a better player, but
Speaker 1: they're kind of one and one A. It's not like
Speaker 1: I see Thomas and Sanders is two totally totally different players. Um.
Speaker 1: Another guy we think we'll have a big year this
Speaker 1: year is Khalil Mack. And we'll wrap up our news
Speaker 1: just with a quick note that Khalil Mack was our
Speaker 1: number one player on our making the Leap series, UH,
Speaker 1: the award winning production. UM. On any continents, it's a
Speaker 1: big international box office hit. Hadn't wrapped up for the
Speaker 1: third park, tried to get it shut down at one point,
Speaker 1: Well let's work in the summer. Well you're you're let's
Speaker 1: be honest. I enjoyed it this. We're a little cell
Speaker 1: shocked from some of your players last year, some of
Speaker 1: all of our players didn't play as well as you
Speaker 1: would have hoped. And it it felt like you took
Speaker 1: it personally. Well, I had some tomato cans thrust on
Speaker 1: me right, ten thousand words about this. Really we were
Speaker 1: pushing the Jaguars two thousand fourteen. I don't remember how
Speaker 1: it went down, but it did not feel just wow.
Speaker 1: So you campaigned against this actively, Well it was not
Speaker 1: so much actively because that would have angered Greg. But um,
Speaker 1: it was subtle. It was like, maybe we can do without.
Speaker 1: And but I was wrong. Obviously one thing Mark is
Speaker 1: not great at as being subtle. How did get whatever
Speaker 1: little colonels? Dan got out of it with a ten
Speaker 1: day vacation teared along with his pain rankings, So he
Speaker 1: put a lot of work into the pain rankings, so
Speaker 1: he got out of making the leap quickly. Backtracking from that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Mark that Dan was doing his pain ranking. That's seven
Speaker 1: big features in a row. Uh. That countdown continues this week,
Speaker 1: number three two and one being unveiled Tuesday through Thursday.
Speaker 1: Dan will be back on Thursday show and so we'll
Speaker 1: we'll have a full faint pain ranking discussion. Then Dan
Speaker 1: gets stuck doing pop culture things every once in a while.
Speaker 1: So I feel like that balance is a ledger out,
Speaker 1: a little bit stock get stuck. That's his thing. That's
Speaker 1: how you'd view it, and that's potentially how I was
Speaker 1: just sticking up for you. Dan. You're saying you don't
Speaker 1: you didn't want to write the Marshawn Lynch playing kickball?
Speaker 1: Know what that means when you were gone last week?
Speaker 1: Why would anybody write about a guy playing kickball? Did?
Speaker 1: Was the number one story site by far out to
Speaker 1: Manuke who wrote that up, I like I like it
Speaker 1: when a story takes like three minutes to write and
Speaker 1: then it gets all the clicks. All right, Um, that's
Speaker 1: it for news today. Actually, wait, let's get let's get
Speaker 1: a couple of thoughts just quickly on on making the leap?
Speaker 1: If if if you had any sort of takeaways after doing
Speaker 1: everything this season, was there any any prize that you had,
Speaker 1: anyone that got left off? Any thoughts? I think the
Speaker 1: most interesting is who got left off? And one guy
Speaker 1: who we almost shoehorned in after the proceedings already started
Speaker 1: was Allen Robinson of the Jaguars, who drew raves all
Speaker 1: throughout spring, and I liked his rookie your table up,
Speaker 1: so you wanted to add if you could do another
Speaker 1: player on making the leap, you would add I would
Speaker 1: add Allen Robinson. Okay, well, the one good year that
Speaker 1: uh Rob Bryan had coaching in the last half a decade,
Speaker 1: we correctly picked him as I'm making the leap candidates
Speaker 1: right in New Orleans, and I always like to do
Speaker 1: a coach the same year I did Dennis Allen making
Speaker 1: the leap. There you go, that started the softball pants.
Speaker 1: That's disturbing. I mean, we didn't do a coach. This
Speaker 1: time we all seek away from that. Last time I
Speaker 1: picked us Bradley, that was an absolute tire fire. So
Speaker 1: though that was tough for you, because it's you. I
Speaker 1: don't know if if you've ever been to Mark's bedroom, Colleen,
Speaker 1: probably not. Um, he's no reason, I just gotta anyone here.
Speaker 1: It's weird. Mark actually as to start every season thirty
Speaker 1: two different posters on the ceiling of all the offensive
Speaker 1: coordinators in the league, and then as the season goes along,
Speaker 1: he slowly takes them off one by one. That's how
Speaker 1: much he loves the coordinators. Because Greg has been You've
Speaker 1: been there, you know somehow this is our making the
Speaker 1: leave takeaway. Um, I listen, not a coordinator, a head
Speaker 1: coach that I think we missed the boat on because
Speaker 1: this is a huge hype filled boat and it's the
Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings boat, not that boat, a different boat. And yeah,
Speaker 1: well it's a lot of boats. It's gotten Mike Zimmer,
Speaker 1: how about him. I think Mike Zimmer should have been
Speaker 1: are making the leap coaching candidate because I think the
Speaker 1: stars are finally aligned and gets a lot of Vikings,
Speaker 1: three Vikings on it as is well. Anthony Barr, who
Speaker 1: Let's be honest, if if I did it again, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have put him number three. I like Anthony Bar.
Speaker 1: I would have put some of my guys, like Jason Varette.
Speaker 1: I would put him in the top five. I think
Speaker 1: he's got well he only he only rose up because
Speaker 1: you yourself were on a break and came back. He
Speaker 1: was gonna be number five. We were moving pieces up
Speaker 1: because we didn't. You gotta be number five. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a little peek behind the curtain, but yeah, Zimmer could be. Well,
Speaker 1: we've almost chose him just because we have so many Vikings.
Speaker 1: If you if all these are correct, if we're saying
Speaker 1: we're right, then you've got a bunch of good players.
Speaker 1: You've got Adrian Peterson back, Mike Wallace, You've got Norv Turner,
Speaker 1: You've got a quarterbacks. He's not making this team was
Speaker 1: definitely trending toward team. Of that. I have a problem
Speaker 1: because I agree with all that, and I like, I
Speaker 1: want to root for the Vikings, and yet they have
Speaker 1: that thing where they're the team now that it is trendy,
Speaker 1: and then I immediately am repulsed by that. So it's
Speaker 1: about the Cardinals worrying facts. I always like the Cardinals. Well,
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater came out and he was like, we're not
Speaker 1: as good as you guys are saying, Dan, you're instilling
Speaker 1: green Bay's division by the way, right, So well that's
Speaker 1: that's making the leap two thousand. Any takeaways from Colleen, guys,
Speaker 1: I think he did a great job work. Yeah, potentially
Speaker 1: the last year that we do it in your mind,
Speaker 1: I don't know what the right answer is. Definitely going
Speaker 1: to do it again. You know it was, and it
Speaker 1: goes we're gonna do it. I really like Brett. I mean,
Speaker 1: I like, I like when you you start to like
Speaker 1: players a little bit. I mean you automatically start to
Speaker 1: like players a little more if you throw them on
Speaker 1: their tyrone. Crawford's headed for defensive Rookie of the Year there,
Speaker 1: I mean player of the year. Whoa, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1: That's not really gonna happen. All right, let's get two
Speaker 1: our position battles segment Alright, we're gonna go through eight
Speaker 1: of the most intriguing position battles across the league, and
Speaker 1: let's start with Colleen. No surprise, really, where you're gonna
Speaker 1: go to stuff? I know, I know I have to,
Speaker 1: but come on, this is a big one. The Eagles
Speaker 1: quarterback battle. Um, you look at the quarterbacks that they
Speaker 1: have now that it looks like a boy band essentially,
Speaker 1: but you have Mark Sanchez and you have Sam Bradford
Speaker 1: up at the top. Now, for anyone watching on NFL,
Speaker 1: now we're on NFL dot com, we're doing a video
Speaker 1: of this. For some reason, our producers put Barkley and
Speaker 1: Tim Tebow as part of the How are they part
Speaker 1: of the battle? I mean, you know, technically, I guess,
Speaker 1: but not really. Ryan Reynolds also, well, Ryan Reynolds. Doesn't
Speaker 1: Sam Bradford look like Ryan Reynolds by the way, I
Speaker 1: mean dead ringer, So, but Reynold, it's not coming off
Speaker 1: of to a c LS. Ryan Reynolds has about as
Speaker 1: much a chance to win this battle as Tim Tebow.
Speaker 1: That is accurate. Yeah, So it worries me with the
Speaker 1: a c L tore you're still laughing at that one, Um.
Speaker 1: And the fact though that Sam Bradford has never really
Speaker 1: had good weapons around him. So I think it's going
Speaker 1: to be interesting to see how he does with Chip
Speaker 1: Kelly's offense. I mean, yeah, the receivers in Philadelphia are
Speaker 1: not great, but you do have a running game that's
Speaker 1: going to help take some pressure off of him. And
Speaker 1: then when you look at the games that he played
Speaker 1: in those seven games, he was on pace to put
Speaker 1: up really great numbers. I mean when you look at
Speaker 1: the yardage, the touchdowns, the passer rating, that is great.
Speaker 1: And then Sam Bradford or and then um Mark Sanchez,
Speaker 1: he actually put together some good games, which Kelly now
Speaker 1: games in some terrible games that he got a little
Speaker 1: bit worse. But I mean it's going to be interesting regardless.
Speaker 1: And I think we're not that far away from preseason games.
Speaker 1: And last week checked Sam Bradford was not running around
Speaker 1: at full health. So if you have Sanchez taking the
Speaker 1: majority of the preseason action and maybe even starting the season,
Speaker 1: that completely alters Bradford's departure point and what it even
Speaker 1: means for this team. I think this is more about
Speaker 1: where Sam Bradford is from a health thing. We've never
Speaker 1: seen two quarterback quarterback come off to massive knee surgeries
Speaker 1: like this. Yeah, I think the competition has weighted in
Speaker 1: Bradford's favor, But like you said, if he's not they're
Speaker 1: paying him. That's what they want. But you can't just
Speaker 1: make him play. It's almost Bradford his health. That's really
Speaker 1: bat Bradford versus his health and Sanchez versus like the
Speaker 1: memories of Sanchez, because who knows, in year two, maybe
Speaker 1: Sanchez could be better. Do you think, I mean, in
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly system, do you think Mark Sant just could
Speaker 1: be like a borderline Pro Bowl type of guy. I
Speaker 1: think you can put up those numbers. That doesn't mean
Speaker 1: he's gonna win twelve games, but yeah, I think he'll
Speaker 1: put up the numbers. And I think that all the
Speaker 1: Beat reporters said he was more improved, noticeably more improved
Speaker 1: this spring. And here's the thing. If Sanchez, though, does
Speaker 1: beat Bradford and plays all sixteen games, then the Rams
Speaker 1: are sending a third round pick to the Eagles, and
Speaker 1: the Eagles are off the hook for all the money
Speaker 1: that they signed Bradford for because zero dollars are guaranteed,
Speaker 1: so they could just release him before the start of
Speaker 1: the season. Yeah, they're not on the hook for half
Speaker 1: a decade with Bradford. This is let's see what happens
Speaker 1: in one season. You should never be on the hook
Speaker 1: for seven brad from more than that, I mean If
Speaker 1: Mark Sanchez starts all sixteen games for the Eagles, that
Speaker 1: would be a miracle. It would be. But we have
Speaker 1: a better a better chance of winning an Emmy than
Speaker 1: Mark Sanchez does of starting six don't bury us. Let's
Speaker 1: let's move on to the Rams or any I think
Speaker 1: the Eagles quarterback situation is probably the most impactful position
Speaker 1: battle in the entire league. Rams running back maybe not
Speaker 1: as impactful on a league level, but I find it
Speaker 1: really interesting Trey Mason and Todd Gurley. And you're really
Speaker 1: talking about again a guy maybe going against his own
Speaker 1: knee injury, because if Todd Gurley is healthy, you know
Speaker 1: they drafted him that high to be the guy, but
Speaker 1: we don't know if he's going to be the guy
Speaker 1: to start this season and if he is even close
Speaker 1: to Like that is the most fun and potentially fun
Speaker 1: to watch backfield in the entire league. What do you
Speaker 1: don't think so the most funfield to watch the entire league?
Speaker 1: Have you watched Todd Gurley's any of his any of
Speaker 1: his came from college is really fun to watch. And
Speaker 1: to me, Trey Mason was great run back in the league. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but how's their run blocking? Well? Was better? Than Jeremy Hill. Um, no, no,
Speaker 1: but t Mason. Tre Mason though, here's the thing, one
Speaker 1: of the most boring offenses, and he still looked he
Speaker 1: he used the reason that Rams team was somewhat watchable
Speaker 1: last year. From a fantasy angle, I thought he was
Speaker 1: interesting as well. I mean, it depends you you keep
Speaker 1: picking these internal battles guy versus his own ups and downs,
Speaker 1: girly verse, that's what it comes down. But Mason is
Speaker 1: so good, and I know they so good that the
Speaker 1: Rams took another running back at overall. They had a
Speaker 1: guy who they say was their number one player overall
Speaker 1: on their board. And it's the NFL in two thousand fifteen.
Speaker 1: You get, you get two running backs. Mason maybe isn't
Speaker 1: a three ry guy, but he's a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: By the way, Nick Foles your quarterback. We have no
Speaker 1: idea what's gonna happen with that team. Colleen was very
Speaker 1: concerned about their run back blocking, but I've got two
Speaker 1: words for her, Rob haven Stein, and I just wanted
Speaker 1: to show her. I mean, he's just like a guy
Speaker 1: that you look at and you think haven Stein looks
Speaker 1: like a Viking. Literally he does. They have five rookie
Speaker 1: offensive line. I don't know. You don't need you know,
Speaker 1: you're on turf, you're going out, Well, you head towards
Speaker 1: you don't need an offensive All right, let's talk about
Speaker 1: the Texan quarterback situation, and uh, we have to start
Speaker 1: with Ryan Mallett, who played just two starts last year.
Speaker 1: He looked pretty good. He's going up against Brian Hoyer,
Speaker 1: and our graphic here says that, Uh, Tom Savage, I
Speaker 1: believe his name is is somehow in the mixt How
Speaker 1: is this? I don't know, Greg and theory. This was
Speaker 1: my segment, but you have told the excellent job starting
Speaker 1: this off. This is why, Well, I don't think it's
Speaker 1: intriguing because I think no matter who wins this battle,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a situation where Bill O'Brien not unlike
Speaker 1: he had to do with Mallett last year in that
Speaker 1: Browns game, they ran the ball a ton down the stretch.
Speaker 1: He's got a big arm and we saw Brian Hoyer
Speaker 1: all last season. You have to mask this quarterback play
Speaker 1: looking for all the defending I tried to do a
Speaker 1: Brian Hoyer last season. Statistically, by the end of the year,
Speaker 1: an absolute bankrupt pass arounder center, so I do not
Speaker 1: know it he was and and Mallett is a is
Speaker 1: a wild card. Like you said last week, Greg, when
Speaker 1: Mallett is not on the field, his myth grows and
Speaker 1: we think more of him. I think the more we
Speaker 1: see of him on the field, the less we'll think
Speaker 1: of him. And so it's probably a situation where we're
Speaker 1: gonna see both of these guys who starts the most
Speaker 1: games for them that comes down to injury. But I
Speaker 1: would say Hoyer based on the fact that he has
Speaker 1: done that before. I'm not even sure this is a battle.
Speaker 1: I mean, Tom Savage is We're not even sure he exists.
Speaker 1: Apparently he does, and I wouldn't be surprised if within
Speaker 1: a week of training camp starting or less, that Brian
Speaker 1: Hoyer is just the starter. No, I agree with that.
Speaker 1: If I had a nickel for every time damnit check
Speaker 1: mentioned Ryan Mallet's whipped, well, he's's been it. He's got
Speaker 1: a whip. You know what, come on one thing by
Speaker 1: now you in Houston also beat writers. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: he likes well. I think they're both better fits than
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick for in O'Brien's mind number one, But that
Speaker 1: fan base absolutely wants Ryan Mallett to start. That's been
Speaker 1: an issue down there. And if and I think if
Speaker 1: it's Hoyer to start the year, he's gonna get the
Speaker 1: hook when they invariably have bad quarterback play good running
Speaker 1: game there, but well see DeAndre Hopkins, they should have
Speaker 1: a good running game, DeAndre Hopkins, Cecil Shorts, rookie, Jalen Strong.
Speaker 1: Your tight end is Garrett Graham, c J Fer. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're not generating as much as excitement as the Rams backfield.
Speaker 1: You're not cooking with heat, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Dalen Strong, Philly guy kind of like that. You're always
Speaker 1: just let's stock Cowboys running backs. And this is a conversation.
Speaker 1: You know, we've we've talked about the Cowboys running backs,
Speaker 1: you know, throughout the offseason. How do you see this
Speaker 1: battle shaping up during camp because you've kind of been
Speaker 1: in the McFadden's I see Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler and
Speaker 1: every Cowboys beat writer handing the job to Joseph Randall.
Speaker 1: But John Daly is a man of vision. John Daly,
Speaker 1: this John Daly, the Golfer, predicts a two thousand yards
Speaker 1: season for Darren mcfabby does everybody, this is gonna be good.
Speaker 1: Couldn't disagree more. And I think you're gonna agree with that.
Speaker 1: Been through that well, that that's fair. I think you're
Speaker 1: looking absolutely at a committee structured backfield number one. It's
Speaker 1: gonna just it just has to break down that way.
Speaker 1: And I think that what they had last year was
Speaker 1: a one year situation for Dallas. Romo was not going
Speaker 1: to get by with throwing the ball four hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty times. It's gonna be much closer to putting him
Speaker 1: back near the five hundred mark. And they're gonna Dez
Speaker 1: Bryan's gonna have a huge year because they're gonna lean
Speaker 1: on him much more than they planned to. They're not
Speaker 1: good for Romo's back either, because that I mean DeMarco
Speaker 1: Murray was able to really bail him out of situations
Speaker 1: and take that pressure off of him literally and figuratively.
Speaker 1: But so it hurts your back to hand off and
Speaker 1: then watch someone if he can't hand the ball off
Speaker 1: and he's throwing and throwing and throwing. Yeah, well it's
Speaker 1: got a point here. Mathematically, the more times you throw,
Speaker 1: the more times you can get it. And West you
Speaker 1: pointed this out before two Randall and all he can
Speaker 1: talk all day long. I don't really care about this.
Speaker 1: He's let his mouth go off. Most of his production
Speaker 1: last year came what late in the game, when the
Speaker 1: defense had dealt with DeMarco Murray for three and a
Speaker 1: half quarters and they were exhausted. That's when Randall's big
Speaker 1: numbers came. You this is not that's a little bit
Speaker 1: of a myth though, and well, that's not a minute
Speaker 1: re watch this thing. He had a couple of big
Speaker 1: plays late. He looked good all the time. I think
Speaker 1: it's more just canny do it for more than whenever
Speaker 1: when they show when he goes and plays starter type snaps,
Speaker 1: that's when he starts to not do it. So you
Speaker 1: you view him as a twenty carry a guy game,
Speaker 1: I view him as a guy who's going to split
Speaker 1: the carries. And I think this whole battle is almost
Speaker 1: misplaced because the battle is gonna be Randall versus the
Speaker 1: guy that gets cut from another team eventually. I think
Speaker 1: that's the that's the Cowboys or Chris Johnson. Would you
Speaker 1: say that Joseph Randall and Trey Mason are in the
Speaker 1: top five running backs in the league, break Well, these
Speaker 1: guys are on your Mount Rushmore for the NFL. I'm
Speaker 1: saying they're good secondary pieces. Randall is a guy they
Speaker 1: put the rush in your Mount Rushmore. You know you're
Speaker 1: rooting on Darren mcfad who had one good year where
Speaker 1: he ran, you know, straight ahead fast. That was years ago.
Speaker 1: You can't do that behind this offensive line, you know,
Speaker 1: get you know, I think West, we need to bring
Speaker 1: you to the present. And so the president, you know,
Speaker 1: Darren mcfadd is not too exciting. The president also, the
Speaker 1: Bill's quarterback situation not too exciting. Matt Castle is the
Speaker 1: guy looks like the favorite. I mean he might not
Speaker 1: even make the team. This is this is your next
Speaker 1: one West. Yeah, you've mentioned that the Texans could be
Speaker 1: decided within a week. This one might take until September
Speaker 1: to figure out who's gonna start. And the battle isn't
Speaker 1: like Girly and Bradford, a guy versus his health. It's
Speaker 1: Matt Castle versus the Bill's final roster. If he loses
Speaker 1: the starting job, I don't think he even makes a team.
Speaker 1: And they've talked about him being on the bubble for
Speaker 1: the last month plus and I think that this is
Speaker 1: another when you don't have a solid quarterback. And unless
Speaker 1: you want to believe all the Tyrod Taylor mythology, which
Speaker 1: maybe it comes true, we don't know, well there is
Speaker 1: because I don't know. Give me on the inog. Here's
Speaker 1: here's what i'd say, though, whenever you have a situation
Speaker 1: like this, let's check in December, every one of these
Speaker 1: guys will start it's such a shame, like they have
Speaker 1: such a great defense and they added all of these pieces.
Speaker 1: And Rex Ryan he just never has a quarterback ever.
Speaker 1: Wherever he goes. It's kind of a cat. It's what's
Speaker 1: the chicken or the egg here? Though? Is it that
Speaker 1: Rex Ryan has no idea how to find a quarterback
Speaker 1: or find someone who can coach a quarterback or knows
Speaker 1: how to coach a quarterback, or he's just been really unlucky,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like a combination of all
Speaker 1: those things potentially. I mean, that's sort of what it is.
Speaker 1: These guys were so bad in the in the spring
Speaker 1: that there's a narrative starting to be built by Buffalo
Speaker 1: bloggers that E. J. Manuel was actually pretty good and
Speaker 1: Doug Maron just ruined him. And it's a favorite here
Speaker 1: do we think I mean, Matt Castle. I guess, is
Speaker 1: there a scenario where they could be successful with one
Speaker 1: of these guys? I I think, well, I think the
Speaker 1: rest of their team is good enough. I think Manuel,
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to write the book that EJ Manuels,
Speaker 1: you know, the worst player ever in his Blaine Gabber.
Speaker 1: Maybe he can be the twin. Maybe he can be
Speaker 1: Brian Hoyer last year, which is not exciting at all,
Speaker 1: But maybe that and a great Bills team around and
Speaker 1: wins eight or nine games. This is this is hard
Speaker 1: to say, but Kyle Orton, because for all his ups
Speaker 1: and downs, he's not as mistake prone as some as
Speaker 1: the of these guys. And I would take Kyle Orton
Speaker 1: over these three. Kyle Orton was absolutely horrendous in December
Speaker 1: last year when I went was doing the Sammy Watkins
Speaker 1: begging the late Kyle Orton, his ball placement was probably
Speaker 1: the worst. Would you take him over these three guys? When?
Speaker 1: Would you who? Because I don't go Mac Castle, that's
Speaker 1: who they wanted. But he's shown up to go with
Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor already know the rest of the guys, we
Speaker 1: don't know that crushes was Greg Roman offensive quartering Now
Speaker 1: of the Bills and the difference between this in the
Speaker 1: Houston battle that we talked about earlier. Okay, these quarterbacks
Speaker 1: are not exciting at all, but they do have Sammy Watkins,
Speaker 1: Robert Woods, Percy Harvin, Charles Clay, Lashawn McCoy. It's like
Speaker 1: they've got so much talent around him. Maybe maybe they
Speaker 1: don't need to be that good. Well, all right, and
Speaker 1: point to all those NFL teams without a quarterback that
Speaker 1: make that case. I mean, they're just not. Aren't that many?
Speaker 1: They were nine and seven last year with bad quarterback
Speaker 1: plate Could they duplicate that potentially? Yeah, one team that
Speaker 1: knows their quarterback in San Francisco, Colin Kaepernick, but they
Speaker 1: don't know they're running back quite yet. Carlos Hide figures
Speaker 1: to be the starter for Colleen the Forday Niners. Running
Speaker 1: back is your choice. Well, you look at Carlos Hide
Speaker 1: and Reggie Bush. Carlos Hide last year he obviously had
Speaker 1: Frank Gore ahead of him, but they tied for a
Speaker 1: team high four touchdowns. Woo. But I mean, we don't
Speaker 1: know what he's going to be, but I think he
Speaker 1: shows way more promise than Reggie Bush, who has been hurt,
Speaker 1: who had such a down year and who just seems
Speaker 1: like he's on the decline and on his way out.
Speaker 1: I don't think Reggie Busch is ay a year guy,
Speaker 1: and I think the Dolphins for one year were the
Speaker 1: only thing that ever saw him that way, So I'd
Speaker 1: be surprised if it wasn't I but don't forget at
Speaker 1: another guy on Greg's Mount Rushmore, Gregs favorite for years.
Speaker 1: Al Right, Yeah, he looked pretty good in the spring. Well,
Speaker 1: they have talked up Bush as a guy that can
Speaker 1: be that, but that just feels like an offseason win
Speaker 1: to me, because Hide is the I like Hide. You know,
Speaker 1: he wasn't perfect every game. But the issue there is
Speaker 1: that Frank Gore Number one was Frank Gore, but he
Speaker 1: was playing behind last couple of years one of the
Speaker 1: best offensive lines around, and they are stripped down. I
Speaker 1: don't like the situation for any of the running backs
Speaker 1: behind what they have going on up front. It Let's
Speaker 1: let's be honest. If Reggie Bush and Kendall Hunter are
Speaker 1: big factors here in terms of the starting job and
Speaker 1: splitting carries evenly three ways, then something's gone wrong with Hide.
Speaker 1: That's not the idea. And right and yeah, exactly. Plus,
Speaker 1: as you said, Mark, Mikey Potty, he's with the Cardinals now.
Speaker 1: He was their best run blocker. It's that's not a
Speaker 1: good situation. There's questions up and down this offense, really
Speaker 1: the entire team. I think they're looking at Hyde as
Speaker 1: someone that, you know, that should be making a leap
Speaker 1: that should be a guy who is a centerpiece. He
Speaker 1: was not on our making the leap list, making the
Speaker 1: leap list. It was early on for he was like
Speaker 1: six or seven. Was seven? Yeah, well we might want
Speaker 1: to forget about him. I think lost pounds is that good? Yeah, Hey,
Speaker 1: it's coming in. He's looking spry. It's never a bad
Speaker 1: thing when you lose fifteen pounds. It's never a bad thing.
Speaker 1: When Colleen Wolf joins us in the podcast studio, excellent, Um,
Speaker 1: but she's got to leave us right now. We still
Speaker 1: have a couple of battles to go quickly, but you
Speaker 1: have to run off and do a couple now segments.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna say goodbye to you mid show guys.
Speaker 1: It's been real on two in a row for Colleen.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm just gonna keep staying here. Well, you'll
Speaker 1: know what I didn't you know, you know, I said
Speaker 1: we're full of heroes here, because I mean Colleen is
Speaker 1: a hero at this she's part of the show. Now
Speaker 1: she's on the show, and we'll figure out we'll figure
Speaker 1: out ways to keep that going Dan, you know, sorry,
Speaker 1: but not off. Can't wait till Dan's back. Thank you, Colleen.
Speaker 1: We just have a couple more minutes. You're will wrap up, Mark,
Speaker 1: you want to talk a little Brown's running backs. They
Speaker 1: make our list of the eight most intriguing position. Battle.
Speaker 1: That sounds like a shot at Mark. Yeah, that does
Speaker 1: sound a little bit like, you know, but it's a
Speaker 1: legitimate battle because number one, I wonder if they run
Speaker 1: the ball more than any team in the a FC
Speaker 1: this year, because who's gonna throw the ball? I mean,
Speaker 1: they don't want to get into situations where Josh McCown
Speaker 1: has to, you know, throw the throw twenty plus times
Speaker 1: a game. So I look at number one. I think
Speaker 1: this would have been less of a battle if it
Speaker 1: were just what they had last year, which would have
Speaker 1: been Isaiah Crowel and Terence West. And the way they
Speaker 1: managed those two backs was a little bit enigmatic last
Speaker 1: season because suddenly some guy would be inactive. I thought
Speaker 1: the crow L was the better runner on tape, a
Speaker 1: totally undrafted dude. West seemed to have some locker room issues,
Speaker 1: got in it with bent Tate. Bent Tate was meant
Speaker 1: to be the guy they cut him. But now they
Speaker 1: got Duke Johnson, and all of the buzz you hear
Speaker 1: out of O. T A. S and Minicamp was that
Speaker 1: Duke Johnson is going to be a larger and larger
Speaker 1: part of this. When I did do that backfield Rankingston
Speaker 1: and talked to someone from the Browns, he mentioned Duke Johnson.
Speaker 1: He mentioned Duke Johnson and nobody else at all. My
Speaker 1: question would be, do you believe they see him as
Speaker 1: more than just like a passing down specialist. I think
Speaker 1: for this year he is, and they talked about him
Speaker 1: as a Geo Bernard type guy. I think they they've
Speaker 1: gone up against the Bengals and saw what the combination
Speaker 1: of Hill and Bernard can do. When you put Bernard
Speaker 1: in the right role where he wasn't a feature type guy.
Speaker 1: You've got someone else pounding the ball. But Duke Johnson,
Speaker 1: if you know, and because he's gone back and looked
Speaker 1: at some of his stuff from Miami, he is better
Speaker 1: between the tackles than I expected. He isn't he is
Speaker 1: probably the on that in its college tape, but he
Speaker 1: looked like the best runner of anyone in Cleveland. So
Speaker 1: I think this is something that's a developing situation and
Speaker 1: they don't know right now who's gonna win that. So
Speaker 1: it's a true battle. I loved everything I heard about
Speaker 1: Duke Johnson coming out. He just sounded like maybe the
Speaker 1: most you know, complete guy, that type of guy who
Speaker 1: you're right, he's not a big guy. Now he's not,
Speaker 1: and so that's you have to wonder in the a
Speaker 1: f C North what that means for his roles. So
Speaker 1: I think you might be onto a passing down type
Speaker 1: specialists who plays Mark Sessler, intrepid reporter in the CBS
Speaker 1: eight o'clock on Wednesday show. It sounds like a bad
Speaker 1: time slot. That's great CBS. I mean a lot of ratings,
Speaker 1: not a lot of young people watching it necessarily, but
Speaker 1: it's one of those procedural shows. Mark Sessler, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't do casting for roles and fictitious television shows
Speaker 1: involving us wrapping up, I'm gonna just mention briefly, I
Speaker 1: think the Steelers linebackers. I just wanted to have some
Speaker 1: defense on here. Initially had Titans receivers, and then I
Speaker 1: realized we had eight straight offensive positions, so I threw
Speaker 1: the Steelers linebackers and and we already hit upon the
Speaker 1: Steelers defensive little bit. But it's something to watch because
Speaker 1: if if James Harrison is still playing two thirds three
Speaker 1: quarters of the snaps for them, that that's just not
Speaker 1: what you really want. I know, he played okay last year,
Speaker 1: but you have Jarvis Jones, who is supposed people love
Speaker 1: Jarvis Jones coming out. You have Bud Dupree. I know
Speaker 1: they bring along first round pick slowly, but you would
Speaker 1: love to see those guys on the field and actually
Speaker 1: creating a pass rush because otherwise, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: think you can really count on Cameron Heyward to be
Speaker 1: your your prime pass rushers. Arthur Moates involving yeah, he
Speaker 1: he might be the projected starter right now, Arthur most
Speaker 1: that's kind of deflating for Steelers fans because this defense,
Speaker 1: I mean, they're in a make or break kind of
Speaker 1: window for what this defense is going to be post
Speaker 1: Dick le Beau, and they have to hit on these
Speaker 1: first round raft. Yes, which they had not done for
Speaker 1: many years. And one of the reasons that these Steelers
Speaker 1: teams can, you know, in quotes, bring rookies along slowly,
Speaker 1: because they had a laundry list of high octane veteran producers.
Speaker 1: That's when you don't have to. You can show patients
Speaker 1: with your first year guys. Not now. They don't have
Speaker 1: the luxury of it now right And I'm really intrigued
Speaker 1: by this defense and really this team right now because
Speaker 1: Dick lebou some people think he's the greatest defensive coordinator
Speaker 1: of all time or or he's one of them. And
Speaker 1: the run that he just had with the Steelers is legendary.
Speaker 1: You'll never be able to take that away. But Mike
Speaker 1: Tomlins never had his defense since he came there. I mean,
Speaker 1: he inherited Lebau and he made a smart decision to
Speaker 1: keep him and that worked out great for everyone. But
Speaker 1: now it's a big change. It's really Tomlin's time, and
Speaker 1: you're right, maybe they're not gonna work people along slowly anymore.
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll throw those rookies right and everything is a
Speaker 1: little different. This team can win another Super Bowl With
Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberg at the helm, He's right in his prime.
Speaker 1: They it looks great. Why not the three there? They're
Speaker 1: defensive coordinate now Keith Butler, who has been basically Lebo's
Speaker 1: right hand man for over a decade. I wouldn't expect
Speaker 1: him to do much difference. Well, it reminds me of Arizona,
Speaker 1: where yes, the coordinator switches in. But like Arian said,
Speaker 1: not a single thing is going to change schematically, and
Speaker 1: what Pittsburgh's not gonna You think they crafted all the
Speaker 1: things guys around, Well maybe, but you're not gonna suddenly
Speaker 1: you're not gonna change your whole front seven look because
Speaker 1: you drafted these guys for the previous regime. I guess
Speaker 1: it's a It's an interesting time, I think for the
Speaker 1: Steelers because I think, like you said, that super Bowl
Speaker 1: windows wide open. It's an interesting time for Tomlin who
Speaker 1: has had so much success and yet you feel like
Speaker 1: he could be if you had a terrible season, would
Speaker 1: he still be there? And yet they could win a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl and then he could be there for the
Speaker 1: next ten years. He could be a guy who wins
Speaker 1: two Super Bowls. They're just one of those teams. They're
Speaker 1: like a boomer Bus team. Three head coaches since right,
Speaker 1: not exactly. They don't panic, but but there's But there's
Speaker 1: also been some talk about, you know, Tomlin being sternly
Speaker 1: worn by ownership about some of his actions. Well, the
Speaker 1: last time they ushered someone out of town, that was
Speaker 1: Bruce arians right, I didn't like that move. How about
Speaker 1: this cult Steelers? ANFC championship, suddenly feel like I'm convincing
Speaker 1: myself into picking the Steelers to win the super Bowl
Speaker 1: or something like that, although I always have the Patriots
Speaker 1: in there. But winning the Super Bowl, what don't you think?
Speaker 1: Because I think the offense is gonna gonna be great,
Speaker 1: and all they need to do is get absolutely good
Speaker 1: looking defense. I could see them being right in the mix.
Speaker 1: When we did weakest position groups they were. They made
Speaker 1: the finals on safeties and cornerbacks. That's a problem. That's
Speaker 1: a problem. That's not good. But at least they have
Speaker 1: the ability to win shootouts because they're going to be
Speaker 1: in a whole bunch of them. Absolutely so a lot
Speaker 1: of position battles, I guess on the Steelers defense in
Speaker 1: the back feet, you know, defensive backfield, linebackers. We hit
Speaker 1: the eight biggest ones in the league. Hope you enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: That's our our Monday show. And I love way you
Speaker 1: do this. Greg, what you always remember just start wrapping
Speaker 1: it up the show. I always remember what you know?
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Oh what you're talking about? Your segment that
Speaker 1: we haven't done in two weeks and not one person
Speaker 1: has even mentioned it on Twitter. Segments actually t d
Speaker 1: over the weekend. What happened? Yeah, over the weekend. I
Speaker 1: listened to the show and it was a great episode
Speaker 1: of all you guys, including future Mark Sessler. So I
Speaker 1: would say this future Mark Sessler has an m VP awarding.
Speaker 1: Present day not so much. All right, So we wanted
Speaker 1: this time for today's show. Two words, guys, flu game.
Speaker 1: So all right, I like that one, you know, standing
Speaker 1: out and uh I did did like Mark he set
Speaker 1: up a money tagline laundry list of high tame producers.
Speaker 1: That sounds like that. That is pretty good a man,
Speaker 1: Brandon and Sean man, I mean, it was all worth it,
Speaker 1: all the all the gut, the puke and the guts
Speaker 1: and the blood. And that's why I lift, we lift
Speaker 1: all those weights. This is why we play this game
Speaker 1: like shot out of a nineteen seventies NFL cannon. Today
Speaker 1: everyone will be happy. Dan Hansons will be back at
Speaker 1: the house chair on Thursday and we'll have all four
Speaker 1: of us together back again, so that'll be the next
Speaker 1: time we're here. On Thursday. It's almost training camp time
Speaker 1: for Colleen Wolfe, who did a great job for us.
Speaker 1: What what song is that? We have a new outro
Speaker 1: sock TDS literally LVP l v P, Award goes. Let's
Speaker 1: keep this all in t d's defense, he isn't produced.
Speaker 1: Since this will be my first time, it never makes
Speaker 1: it to the end of my first time playing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: give me a break, t D H. But again, we
Speaker 1: want to thank Colleen for stopping by. Mark Sessler, t D.
Speaker 1: Just start any time you want there. It is finally
Speaker 1: uh for Mark Sessler, Colleen wolf Chris Wesley, I'm Greg
Speaker 1: rosen Thal. Thanks for listening once again. Back on Thursday,