1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vanderkam. I'm a mother of four, 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Hunger. 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, practicing physician and blogger. On 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: the side, we are two working parents who love our 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds. 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds. 10 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode one hundred and forty five. 11 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: We will be interviewing Amy and Margaret from What Fresh Hell, 12 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,919 Speaker 1: the podcast that is about laughing in the face of motherhood. 13 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:44,599 Speaker 1: I know we have a lot of listeners who are 14 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 1: also listeners and fans of that podcast, so we're really 15 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: excited to have our crossover episode here today. So we 16 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: are still recording this in the midst of pandemic social 17 00:00:55,320 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: distancing quarantining. Sarah, has this shifted any hours in your house? 18 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: I know that we had talked in the past about 19 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: how early your kids had to get up, and now 20 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: they don't. I presume right yes, now they don't, and 21 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 1: we have certainly become rather relax about bedtime as well, 22 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: So everything is a lot later when a little bit 23 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: more relaxed. On the upside, my mornings are a lot 24 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: more chill. I can pretty much count on the kids 25 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: staying asleep till seven fifteen, seven thirty, which gives me 26 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: a little bit of personal time. I try to get 27 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: my workout done most of the time during that time. 28 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: But on the down sort of downside, I mean, we've 29 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 1: been enjoying later evenings. We've been doing family dinners a lot, 30 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: which is wonderful. Sometimes we go outside in evenings. The 31 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: one thing that has suffered is that my husband and 32 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: I have less time together at night without the kids 33 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: up because we're letting them stay up till like nine thirty. 34 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: I think last night was like nine forty. Yeah, so 35 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: I that's been our shift. I'll be interested in your shift. 36 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: And if you guys have figured out any workarounds for 37 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: any kind of date night or quality time together, you're 38 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: shaking your head. Nope, there is no mommy and daddy time. 39 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: In essence, it's it's been I mean, they're just all 40 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: here all the time, and the varied ages means that 41 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: there's kind of multiple shifts of when different kids are up. 42 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: Alex is not waking up nearly as early as he 43 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: used to, so great, I'm excited about that. However, he's 44 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: still up in the morning and the baby wakes up 45 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: relatively early to eat. My older boys, I go through 46 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: the charade of putting them to bed, and then as 47 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: soon as I'm asleep, they pop back up and go 48 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: hang out with my husband. So they're having their boy time. Well, 49 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: you're they're like old enough that they're they're especially your oldest. 50 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: I'm sure he's biologically driven to like want's day up 51 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: till midnight or later. Oh yeah, we're getting there. We're 52 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: definitely there. And then they don't want to wake up 53 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: in the morning and there's nothing they I mean, they 54 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: have to be up by Well, we have nine thirty 55 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: morning meeting. But this morning, unfortunately, we had an incident 56 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: with I hadn't checked the schedule and talked to my 57 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: middle schooler and he had a math class this morning 58 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: that he did not get up in time for. So 59 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: that was too bad. But everything's past fail for the term, 60 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: so I guess we are making do with what we 61 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: can at this and he's learning personal responsibility. Personal responsibility. 62 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: That's right, that there are ways to set alarms that 63 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: don't involve mom. So yeah, that's where we are right now. 64 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: Do you feel like you missed datement? Well, you guys 65 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: didn't go out for date nights that much anyway, did you. Well? 66 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: Sometimes we were on a good street covet when we 67 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: had Saturday childcare, but that's gone. So yeah, I don't know. 68 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: I mean we've you know, it's sneak it where you can. 69 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: I mean sometimes if i'm you know, if the baby's happy, 70 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: I'll just like hold him and the two of us 71 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: will go chat somewhere with the baby. But no nice. 72 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 1: But you know, this will not last forever. Eventually we 73 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: will be able to go to a restaurant again, and 74 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: we can look forward to that. And you know, at 75 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: some point the kids will have to wake up at 76 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 1: seven o'clock in the morning again, and then they will 77 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: have to go to bed at ten, and then there 78 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: will be you know, time to briefly say hello at 79 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: least before I pass out. Yeah, sometimes all three of 80 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: mine will watch a movie and then that can be 81 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: a time that we can, like at least talk and 82 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: Genevieve will pay attention to a movie. Oh my god, 83 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: an entire movie. Oh wow, well that is she's count 84 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: of your blessings. They are. It's weird, I mean, it's good, 85 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: and then it's also like wow, she's sitting three inches 86 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 1: from the screen, like absorbing every word of like, you know, 87 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: a movie that's designed for slightly older kids, like what, 88 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: oh well, the only I wonder what's going on with 89 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: her little brain exactly. So that's where we are. She 90 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: does drag a toy over there, which is cute. Like 91 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: if she's not entirely into it, she'll like she still 92 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: wants to be part of the club of watching the whatever, 93 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: so she'll bring over a bunch of duplows and be 94 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: doing it in front. Yeah, she's just good in that way. 95 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: All right, Well, we'll be talking with Amory and Margaret here, 96 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: so tune in for the rest of this episode. Well, 97 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: Sarah and I are delighted to welcome Amy and Margaret 98 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: from What Fresh Hell, the podcast that is all about 99 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: laughing in the face of motherhood. So Amy and Margaret, 100 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: can you introduce yourselves? Amy, how about you go first? Okay, So, yeah, 101 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: I'm Amy Wilson. I am an author of a parenting 102 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: book club When Did I Get Like This? And a 103 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: blogger from back in the day, and also an actor 104 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 1: and sketch comedy writer. And so Margaret and I have 105 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: been doing What Fresh Hell since twenty sixteen. We've known 106 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: each other, We've been acquainted with each other for many year, 107 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: but we've gotten to know each other very well through 108 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: doing this podcast over the last couple of years. Yeah, Margaret, 109 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: I'm Margaret. I am a reformed stand up comic and 110 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: television writer and now mother of three kids who are eleven, nine, 111 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: and seven. And yeah, co host of What Fresh Hell 112 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: with the lovely Amy Wilson. So, tell our listeners how 113 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: What Fresh Hell came to be? You said you guys 114 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: had known each other for a long time, though I 115 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 1: don't think you were like childhood best buddies or anything 116 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: like that. How did this all happen? Well, I actually 117 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: we were not childhood best buddies. We were My sister 118 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: and Amy went to college together and they were in 119 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: an improv group, and so I knew of Amy and 120 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: I knew she was funny, and then over the next 121 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: many many years we kind of would see each other. 122 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 1: She was an actress. I was a television writer. I 123 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: was working developing some stuff for Nickelodeon, and she would 124 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: be in videos that would come across my desk. We 125 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: were orbiting planets, kind of orbiting to planets orbit. Yes, 126 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: we were like satellites or something. Anyway, my science metaphors 127 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: are not my strong suit, but we were in each 128 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: other's universe. Then, about three years ago, I had been 129 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: a nick Mom, which was Nickelodeon's offshoot for Moms, and 130 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: and that went away, and I kind of had a 131 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: What's next moment? And I had just seen this video 132 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: of Amy on my desk and I called her and 133 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: I said, what are you up to? How about a 134 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: podcast just like that? How about a podcast? It's true? 135 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: And it was. It was this moment for me where 136 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: I was also sort of like what's next. And I 137 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: had tried to write a novel by myself and realize 138 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: I don't like working by myself. I don't you know, 139 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: I need I need external things to be responsible to. 140 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: Tried to work on a video company for a while 141 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: with just somebody. We didn't have the same long term goals. 142 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: It was a bad, nice guy, bad match of goals. 143 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: And then this just like came from the heavens. I 144 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: was so happy. Did it take a while to kind 145 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: of find your footing for this? I mean where they 146 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: do you listen to the early episodes now and wonder 147 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: what was going on? Or did you guys really click 148 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: right at the beginning. I feel like the right answer 149 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: is that it took a while to gel, but we 150 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: clicked really quickly. I mean the premise, which we didn't. 151 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: I didn't approach Amy with this premise in mind, but 152 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: we don't. At the time, we really did not know 153 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: each other very well. I knew, oh, that's my sister's friend, Amy, 154 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: who writes books and he's a funny person. And so 155 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: the conversations were able to be really organic. And then 156 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: one nice thing that evolved naturally was that we have 157 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: very different parenting styles. So Amy is very like I 158 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: read a book, I have an article, I have a solution, 159 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: and I'm kind of like, come on, people have been 160 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: doing this forever. It all works out fine, don't worry 161 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: about it. And so it evolved very naturally into kind 162 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: of an odd couply take on parenting. Yeah, I definitely 163 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: get that vibe. I mean, you know, Amy, your personalities 164 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: are kind of different. I mean at the Burt to 165 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: markets Ernie, I like to say, exactly, and how do 166 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 1: I mean when you disagree about stuff though you I mean, 167 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: how do you approach that? To just sort of live 168 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: and let live? You each do things separately. I'm honestly 169 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: curious about about how Margaret will approach whatever the topic is. 170 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,839 Speaker 1: I mean, these days, I usually think I know what 171 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: she might say about how is quarantine life going or whatever. 172 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: I have a sense, but I'm not always right, nor 173 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: is Margaret. Like we're not always the I have everything 174 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: perfect and Margaret doesn't know where anything is, like you 175 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: kind of think that, but we still surprise each other. 176 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: And I honestly think that the best approach to most 177 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: issues is somewhere in the gray area. And that's why 178 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: I think, that's why I really like our conversations. They're 179 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: helpful for me. They help me figure out a more 180 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: nuanced approach to whatever the problem of the week is. 181 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: We're talking about have you changed? And I think a 182 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: conclusion that we've come I feel like a conclusion that 183 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: we've come to on the podcast is opening ourselves up. 184 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: That the process of the podcast for us is can 185 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: we be happier, better parents. And one of the things 186 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: that maybe in the beginning was blocking my path to 187 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: doing anything better was like, I got it, I'm fine. 188 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: Not a thing doesn't matter. Researches isn't interesting. And in 189 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: the process of doing the podcast, I feel like both 190 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: of us have come at each other with a really 191 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: open mind, and that's what makes the podcast really work 192 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,319 Speaker 1: because often Amy will produce a piece of research and 193 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, nonsense, not interesting. My grandmother didn't do it 194 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: that way. But as we kind of talk stuff out, 195 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 1: we always say on the podcast, you only take the 196 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,719 Speaker 1: advice that makes it easier. We're not here to give 197 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: you advice to make it harder, to give you a 198 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: longer to do list. Well, can you guys share some 199 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: concrete examples. And it's interesting because I feel like a 200 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: lot of the podcasts I like have a very point 201 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: and counterpoint kind of personality. I don't know that we 202 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: offer that on Best of both Worlds, although Laura and 203 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: I can offer very different jobs, so maybe that helps 204 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: a little bit. But no, I'm very curious give us 205 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: give me some specifics of things you've done very differently 206 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: or come out from different angles, because I think that 207 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: would help paint a picture here. I feel like a 208 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: good example is home structure. So I am like a 209 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: whirling dervish, disorganized person in general. I had my first 210 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: child at thirty seven, so I led a very free 211 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: life for many years. And when I had kids, I 212 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: was kind of like, they're coming along for the ride. 213 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: Here we go, guys. And one of the struggles that 214 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: I was returning and returning to is that lost keys, 215 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: what's for lunch? You know, this constant chaos in my 216 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 1: life was not actually serving me very well in terms 217 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: of raising three children. And one thing I feel like 218 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: Amy has really helped introduce to me is the idea 219 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: of like a structure helps you function. It it's easier 220 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: to be spontaneous if you kind of have the stuff done. 221 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: You can't be spontaneous if you're spending three hours looking 222 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: for your keys, because you ruined the whole day looking 223 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: for keys. And so Amy's kind of like, here's how 224 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,719 Speaker 1: I structure my day, which before doing the podcast, I 225 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: would have been like crazy person who structures their day. 226 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: It's really taught me this thing of it makes our 227 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: lives genuinely more enjoyable if we kind of don't have 228 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: to fight for six hours about what's for dinner. It's 229 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: already on the whiteboard. You're speaking my love language there, Margaret. Well, 230 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 1: it's funny, it's not my love language. My love language 231 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: is like I'll just stop for a cheese sandwich while 232 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: I go about my day. But like, it doesn't work now. 233 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: I always say, like the person who still has the 234 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: baby at the bar when they're six months old, you 235 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,199 Speaker 1: just want to sit them down and be like it's over, friend, 236 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: go home, it's over. Like bringing your baby to the 237 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: bar does not make it the same experience. Like I 238 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: was a little bit stuck in baby at the bar mode, 239 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: where I was like, my life doesn't need to change 240 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: just because I have kids, and it does. I remember 241 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: you saying something to me, Laura about planning for the 242 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: weekend that you want to be spontaneous. We'll do something 243 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: fun today, but you need to get the pumpkin patch 244 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: on the calendar or else it doesn't happen right. Or 245 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: you can say from twelve to two, we're all going 246 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: to go somewhere. But that spontaneity is only of a sort. 247 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: You have to create space for it. Yeah, that's definitely 248 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 1: something we talk about here, but Amy, you've occasionally maybe 249 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 1: lightened up a bit as a result of hearing how 250 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: things are happening in Margaret's house. Yes, I have. You know, 251 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 1: Margaret greets everything with a good humor and perhaps a 252 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: little more curiosity about what the day might bring instead 253 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: of a pred side did result, you know what I mean. 254 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: And I definitely go with the flow a little more 255 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: because of Margaret And something that is ascribed to me 256 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: that we've developed in the podcast. We say it all 257 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: the time, but I feel like it's something I probably 258 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: got from you. Margaret is the idea that you should 259 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: never interrupt a happy toddler, and in these days, like 260 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: you never interrupt a happy, quarantined person, like if they're 261 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: doing the puzzle and English class start of ten minutes ago, 262 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: who cares? Like leave them alone. If dinner's ready and 263 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: nobody's downstairs but they're all quiet, leave them alone, Leave 264 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: them alone. And I feel like that's that's the quote 265 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: I get the credit for, but I feel like that's 266 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: more of a Margaret approach and I probably got it 267 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: from you. I can imagine that, Well, we're going to 268 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: just take a short ad break and we will be 269 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: right back in a few minutes with Amy and Margaret. 270 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: All right, well we are back with the ladies from 271 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: the What Fresh Hell podcast laughing in the face of motherhood. 272 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: So this pandemic is producing a fair amount of fresh 273 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: hell for many of us. So firm, Yeah, exactly, how 274 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: have you both been coping? And we did another episode 275 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: maybe two ago, and I know you guys did too, 276 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: about you know, what we're taking away from this, like 277 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: what we're learning from this, adjustments we may make in 278 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: life and in parenting as a result. And I'd be 279 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: very curious what you guys would like to share with 280 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: our listeners that you have taken out of this, how 281 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: you're coping, and what you think you might do differently. 282 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: I mean, my opening statement is that I'm very tired 283 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: of the learning, and I'm tired of the lessons, like 284 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: I have to keep learning them. Thank you. Yeah, I'm upset. 285 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. I'm ready to go 286 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: back to my real life. Like our first you know, 287 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: we were five weeks in our first we do a 288 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: weekly episode. Our first two weeks were like it really 289 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: is good to peel away the soccer practices and the 290 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: play rehearsals and realize how much we really enjoy each 291 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: other as a family, Like, there are plenty of lessons 292 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: inherent in it. And I do think that like the 293 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: busyness for busyness sake, I love to see that peeling away. 294 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: I do think we're going much deeper on family conversations 295 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: because we sit together for half the day, you know, 296 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: and so we're finding that there's something on the other 297 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: side of our boredom, that there's you know, if you 298 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: go through the maybe half an hour of complaining about boredom, 299 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: I find an hour later the kids are upstairs kind 300 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: of making like a Harry Potter fort in their closet. 301 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I have found that letting go of like 302 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: I must control the day in terms of keeping people happy, 303 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: so I never have to listen to whining that there's 304 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: something on the other side of that. But we've always 305 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: definitely reached a part of the podcast. We're like, we're 306 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: done check lessons learned. Okay, thank you. Yeah, we don't 307 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: want to we'd like to stop learning our lessons now 308 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: we're good. We got it. Yeah, I would like to 309 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: move on. I will not reschedule overschedule the kids in 310 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: the future, but can I please schedule them for something, 311 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: but we got it, we learned it. Okay, let's go 312 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: back outside. Yeah, Amy, how about you. I'm such a 313 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: go go go do dooo doo. These just ten more 314 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: things and then I can go to bed kind of person. 315 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: And I've definitely brought that personality into the home life 316 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: with me. And one lesson I've learned just in the 317 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: last couple of days is I'm getting a lot of 318 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: friends are reaching out right friends, cousins, like college buddies, whoever, like, 319 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: let's do a zoom call, let's just talk, let's just 320 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: do this, And I feel like at eight thirty or 321 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: nine pm at night, I'm tired. I don't want to 322 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: talk to people on the phone. I don't want to 323 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: be Mary, and I have ten more things I have 324 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: to do. But I keep learning this lesson just in 325 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 1: the recent days that if I do the zoom call 326 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: and I connect with people and I put the to 327 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: do list down, I you know, I come out of 328 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 1: it feeling great. And so connection is in fact a priority. 329 00:17:58,160 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: It needs to be at the top of my list 330 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: right now. I need to be making time for it 331 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: instead of putting it last. Yeah, people turn out to 332 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: be a good use of time. Oh I love that expression. No, 333 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: I've heard you say that before, and it is it's 334 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: it's that's a touchstone for me during this time. Yeah. 335 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: I also feel like one other thing that we've really 336 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: are one of our big takeaways is that we give 337 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: a lot of advice on the podcast. You know, make 338 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 1: it easier for yourself, have a whiteboard, like, solve problems earlier, 339 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: only answer the questions that you're asked. We have a 340 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: lot of things that we go back to again and 341 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 1: again on the podcast, And one thing that I do 342 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 1: find during the pandemic is good advice is good advice 343 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: that all the advice that we give we now keep 344 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: going back to. It's like I have a someone once 345 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: said to me about special education for children, it's just 346 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: regular education that is more turned up and more individualized. 347 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: And that's what I keep saying about our parenting advice, 348 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: that all the advice we give is now just more 349 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: turned and you have to individualize it to each of 350 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: your children. Agree, a lot of things have changed, and 351 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: then a lot of things are still the same, both 352 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: the good things and the challenges. Although one good thing, 353 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: as I heard from a nice little piece you guys 354 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: did on the podcast recently is the invention of the 355 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: drive by party, and there are so many parties that 356 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 1: are so much better when all it is is a 357 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: drive by party. I have not necessarily mourned some of 358 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: the loss of those things. I don't know about you guys, 359 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: what do you think? Yeah, we do a lot, like 360 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: I might know where high heels again? Right? Are we 361 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: really going to go back to the way we were 362 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 1: with the I don't know, the spanks and the heels 363 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: and the false eyelashes. Is there ever a reason to 364 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: use a curling iron? I don't know full return of 365 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 1: that stuff. I like to think that I will do 366 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: a lot less of all of that. It should be 367 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: a super false eyelash filter. Why is there not, Tony? 368 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: The things we wind up going to are somewhat out 369 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 1: of obligation, But then the amount of time that is 370 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: invested in them versus maybe the amount of obligation you 371 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: actually really have or feel is different. So I enjoyed 372 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 1: the idea of, yeah, drive by, let me just leave 373 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: a twenty on your kid's lawn for an honor of 374 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: their first communion rather than actually sitting through the entire mass. 375 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: So you guys have a pretty big Facebook community, which 376 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: I now have been learning perhaps how you drive engagement 377 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: on Facebook. So'm I was curious about these things. But 378 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: what have you been hearing from the people in your 379 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: community about how this is all affecting them and how 380 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: they're changing parenting as a result. So we have a 381 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: Facebook page, but then we also have a Facebook group, 382 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: and just for listeners who might not understand the difference. 383 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: A Facebook group is a closed conversation where you can 384 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: go on and post things yourself, so our listeners can 385 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,959 Speaker 1: talk to one another, and it's become very active. And 386 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: in the early days it was like you are homeschooling links, 387 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: here are you know some great video ideas? And as 388 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: the time has gone on in Quarantine, I feel like 389 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: the posts have gotten There's some funny ones, but there's 390 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: also some very real ones like I am having trouble 391 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 1: with momentum today. Today I just lay in the couch 392 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: and ignored my kids and looked at my phone and 393 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: I just I can't do this anymore. And it's it's 394 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 1: been a great place for our listeners to go. It's 395 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 1: a great place for me to go and feel connection 396 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: and real life honesty that in some ways social media 397 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: like it's easier to tell the truth to two thousand 398 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: strangers than to your mom, Right, So I think I 399 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: think it's been a real opportunity for connection and we 400 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: love it. We love having that and you know, put 401 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: stuff on it every day. We're doing some videos now 402 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: now that we're we're stuck in quarantine. That's outlet for 403 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: our creativity. I think the one thing that's fun too 404 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: about the Facebook community is, like we were saying about 405 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: zoom calls, people are craving connection and whether that connection 406 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: is help how do you manage to potty train if 407 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: your child is anxious or whatever some kind of real 408 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: problem or whether it is look at this funny, silly meme. 409 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 1: The community thing is just a nice place for people 410 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 1: to be able to just see that other people are 411 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: kind of in the same boat, which I feel like 412 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 1: is the human experience that everyone's looking for, because you 413 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: can't really get that by going out in the streets. Yeah. 414 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: I'm curious what you guys think has been the hardest 415 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: part of this. I mean for you personally, is it 416 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: that lack of in person connection or I mean because 417 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: I work from home anyways, so I feel like it 418 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 1: wasn't that much of a difference. I mean, for me, 419 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: it's more that there are more people around constantly who 420 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 1: weren't all here before. So I'm curious what you're finding 421 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: to be the biggest challenge with us. I feel like 422 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: for me, it is the human connection. And I have 423 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: come to realize more than I did before this happened 424 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: that there is a spectrum of people. And I mean 425 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: you see a lot of kind of memes and jokes 426 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: about introverts and extroverts, but my daily life generally involves 427 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: I don't know thirty five different connections with people. I'm 428 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: always out and about. I like to chat with people. 429 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 1: I just love to go through the day and interact. 430 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: I'm a teacher and so I see students and I'm 431 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: in a challenging teaching environment a lot, and I am 432 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 1: finding I feel like I'm like a little plant withering 433 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: without my sunlight and water. I find I know people. 434 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 1: I think for my husband, who's an engineer who works 435 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: in the basement, He's like, this is my happy play. 436 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: So I love it down here, and I am exactly 437 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: the opposite like I want to and I now we're 438 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: in New York, so we're full mask all the time 439 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 1: and I went out to the sandwich shop the other day, 440 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: and you really you can't have small talk at all 441 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 1: with it anyone, because it's very hard. You don't realize 442 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: how much you look at people's mouths until you try 443 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: to order a sandwich. And so it's not how's it going? 444 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: Is business? Okay? It's just you're just basically screaming the 445 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 1: word avocado six times until the person can understand you. 446 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: And so those small human interactions I'm dying for some 447 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: And Zoom's not the same. No, zoom is not quite 448 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: the same. I mean, it's you know, got upsides to it. 449 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 1: Although I should add here that Margaret is just on 450 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: the phone. We couldn't get the video and the phone 451 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: working simultaneously for her, so she's she's not even seeing 452 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 1: her when she said she was a little plant. We 453 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: all made this sad face and unfortunately face all the time. 454 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: She couldn't see it. Amy, how about you are? You see? 455 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: This is where the opposite making machine that made Margaret 456 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: and me that comes into play. I am you know, 457 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: I'm an introvert. I like my quiet time, I like 458 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: my privacy. I have been working on the book of 459 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: a musical, which for me requires, you know, just a 460 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: hyperbaric chamber of silence and no distraction at all and 461 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 1: the headphones on and that time. I have zero of 462 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: that time right now, and so that's okay. So I'm 463 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: sort of, you know, I'm giving myself the grace of 464 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: like that will be there. That's going to go on 465 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: the shelf right now, because I've taken on more meal prep. 466 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I have two teenagers home for lunch every 467 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: day now that would usually have like three empanadas at 468 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: the cafeteria, Like can't. I can't keep food in the house. 469 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: And even though they're learning and helping, I'm still, you know, 470 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: I'm still the one executive function of how many cans 471 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: of super left? Right? It's just it's more laundry, more everything, 472 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: never being alone and older kids. The good thing about 473 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: older kids is that they also are on zoom six 474 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: hours a day, like they're busy. Their lives are very 475 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: structured right now, and I'm extremely grateful for that, and 476 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: their teachers are doing a great job. But they also 477 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 1: need more help and oversight because they aren't seeing their teachers. 478 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 1: So sometimes there's tears at night, there's you know, the 479 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: homework is harder and more complicated, and does every sentence 480 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: in the third paragraph follow the sentence that came before, 481 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 1: and does the topic sentence, you know, like just just 482 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 1: that sort of drilled down stuff. They want more help 483 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: than usual, so I'm finding my sort of silent alone time. 484 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 1: I'm missing that one the most. And then do they 485 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: hate you when you help and yell at you? Of course, 486 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: just was wondering if that was just my house. Guys, 487 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: I need your you need your dumb yes, oh man, yes, 488 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: fun fun adolescence. So you guys were, from what I 489 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: remember correctly, doing a comedy tour, and you know, not 490 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: a whole lot of events going to happen. I think 491 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 1: in the next six to twelve months even small events 492 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 1: may happen, but not the sort of packing a concert 493 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: hall kind of event. How are you guys gonna gonna 494 00:26:55,480 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: pivot the What Fresh Hell? Team? Looking forward? Well, we 495 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 1: we have had so we have a ninety minute comedy 496 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 1: show that goes along with the podcast. That's you know, 497 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: Amy and I both come from performing background. So it's 498 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: been really fun and we love again like that's my 499 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 1: photosynthesis sunlight, like being out in front of a crowd. 500 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: I just love it. And so It's been another kind 501 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: of tough development in terms of not being able to 502 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 1: do it, and we've been exploring whether we can adapt 503 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: it to be some sort of zoom thing, but it's 504 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: really a show about it's people call it like a happening. 505 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: It's getting moms out, everyone's in the same room, you know, 506 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: is this worse or this worse? And people are cheering, 507 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: and I just it's very hard for me to imagine 508 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: a zoom version of it that would be super satisfying. 509 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: So we have instead, we're trying to move over towards 510 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: like just fun short video content. So we just did 511 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: one that was the one that we're talking about drive 512 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 1: by What if everything was drive by? So like the 513 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: communion is throwing a twenty a bill on the lawn 514 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: and the holiday party is just beeping through the manager 515 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 1: making dopey jokes, and so we've been trying to move 516 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 1: into that direction and we just have a new one 517 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,239 Speaker 1: up today about the difference between being quarantined for one 518 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: your aspirations for quarantine and how it really turns out. 519 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 1: And so that's where we're living right now. We'll see 520 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: we may have some zoom revelation, but right now that's 521 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: what we're up to. It was a great meme that 522 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: I saw that was like quarantining without kids, and then 523 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 1: it was like a lady doing yoga and a lady 524 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: watering her garden, and a man and a lady like 525 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: hugging each other in bed, and then it was like 526 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: quarantining with kids, and it was like every mess you 527 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,439 Speaker 1: can imagine, and like a crying kid with food all 528 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: over their face, and I just I sent it to everyone. 529 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: I knew it's so true. It's very like ours is 530 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: like day one, let's have a mommy daughter book club, 531 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it's like you have these as 532 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: we were saying, we were back like this is going 533 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: to be chuck full of good lessons and let's get 534 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: into family baking. And then we're just at the point 535 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: now where we're like, yeah, let's not get into family baking. 536 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: Here's a pizza that flixes your parent now so exactly, 537 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 1: and like at the beginning, oh, this homeschooling, we've really 538 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 1: got to work on it. Now it's like there's you're 539 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: never going to use that order of operations in your room. 540 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: Just forget about it. No one cares. Toss it off. 541 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: Tuzz it off. I don't use it frequently in my life. 542 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: I can tell you, well, we always end our episodes 543 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: with a love of the week, which is something that 544 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: is fun for us now. And I okay, I get 545 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: it that we've had enough lessons of the quarantine, but 546 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: if there's something that you are finding fun at the moment, 547 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: we could share that. Sarah can go first. Also because 548 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: the two of us basically have the same one. Oh really, 549 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: I know what yours is going to be. It's going 550 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: to be. Okay, Well, mine is Minecraft because I personally 551 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: do not enjoy Minecraft. My husband does enjoy Minecraft playing 552 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,959 Speaker 1: it with the kids. The kids are obsessed and it 553 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: makes them happy and I can use it as a 554 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: bribery mechanism and it provides quiet time every single day 555 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: while my young one takes a nap. My kids are 556 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: like the same age spacing as Margaret, but just like 557 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: five years earlier. They're two, six and eight. Anyway, it's 558 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: the best Minecraft, and it's not like horribly bloody or 559 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: violent either, so I don't feel like bad about it 560 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: in that way. Yeah, we have some bloody and violent, 561 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: violent video games that go on around here, but I 562 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: will give a shout out to the group Minecraft Games. Yeah. 563 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: Now we've sent the four school age children down into 564 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: the basement with four devices basically, and they play in 565 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: the same world. And you know, I feel like they're 566 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: learning emotional self regulation, that if you destroy somebody else's structure, 567 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: they will then want to destroy your structure, and that 568 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: this is a learning opportunity. And yes, there may be 569 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: some screaming involved in that happening, but mostly they work 570 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: it out. So group Minecraft is my love of the 571 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: week as well. Do they play in creative mode or 572 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: are they in They go back and forth. Yeah, I'm curious, Amy, 573 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: how about you. Let's have to figure that out. Minecraft 574 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: is also huge at my house. I won't make my 575 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: love of the week, but I'm very happy with Minecraft 576 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: as well. I have a seventeen year old who's running 577 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: a server for his school friends, and he's just been 578 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: asked to start one for a group of seventh graders 579 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: and sort of monitor it. So I think I think 580 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: there's a lot of good about it. So my love 581 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: of the week is a yoga class that I'm taking. 582 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: It's Rhythm Yoga on Facebook, and you can find rhym 583 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: Yoga on Facebook and look up the classes and My 584 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: favorite teacher is Cat, and I am sort of like 585 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: pinning that, like that is in the schedule, non negotiable. 586 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: I'm taking class with Cat three times a week. She's 587 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,479 Speaker 1: got great perspective for the moment and she's funny, and 588 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: it's it's getting me through. That's awesome, Margaret, how about you. 589 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: I have to figure out the Minecraft thing because my 590 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: kids are they play it, but we haven't. We haven't 591 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: joined others yet. It's on my list. You should try. 592 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: My love of the week is my husband and I 593 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: after we get the kids in bed. We have been 594 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: really struggling to find a show. People keep recommending shows, 595 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I can't invest in anything upsetting or 596 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 1: dark or even anything that involves a lot of concentration. 597 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: By eight thirty at night, I'm just burnt out. And 598 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: we have found fashion competition shows, which I guess other 599 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: people were turned into onto before, but we now there's 600 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: three different fashion competition shows and we watched them all. 601 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: So it's Project Runway. There's one that's called Like on 602 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: the Runway. There's one that's called First in Fashion, World 603 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: of Fashion. I don't know the names of them, but 604 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: we're watching only people make clothes for each other and 605 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: it is it's getting us through the weeks. That sounds awesome. 606 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: I am a perfect escapist possibility. It's very it's it's 607 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: but it's not. I'm not quite at escapist where like 608 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: it's the island where you're not allowed to make out 609 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: or you lose money, like I can't go quite that far. 610 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: It's exactly the center of escapism for me. That's perfect. 611 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: All right. Well, we've been talking even with the Amian 612 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: Margaret of What Fresh Hell Laughing in the Face of Motherhood, 613 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: so please be sure to check out their podcast. And 614 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,959 Speaker 1: you guys, thanks for coming on, Thanks for having so much, 615 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: for having us so fun. Thank you, Well, that was fun. 616 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: They are always a delight to talk too. So our 617 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: question for this week is from a listener on Instagram, which, 618 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: remember you can connect with us there Best of Both 619 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: Worlds podcasts. What kind of routines do you have to 620 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: separate work and home as you are starting or ending 621 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: your day? And this is definitely a question of the moment, 622 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: since in many cases in the past the answer is 623 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: very much you get in your car and drive there, 624 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: and this separates work at home quite nicely. And now 625 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: people have less of that. So Sarah, how about you? 626 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: What have you been doing as your transitions? So I 627 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: don't have that much of a morning transition, Like I 628 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: do have things that I do in my morning that's 629 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 1: kind of like pre kid wake up, but I don't 630 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: feel like I have like a post kid wake up 631 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: pre work ritual per se most of the time. I mean, 632 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: sometimes if I am not like rushing to get to 633 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: my first patient, I'll check my work email and my 634 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: work lab results just to see if anything is terrible 635 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: or pressing, and then move on to my first thing. 636 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: That I will be honest, like, there's no fancy work 637 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 1: pump up ritual. Really post work, I find it to 638 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: be more because I don't feel like I have that 639 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: much problem with the on ramp to work. I have 640 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,399 Speaker 1: more of a problem with the off ramp. So I've 641 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 1: tried to be a little bit more intentional with my 642 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: post work ritual and most days if I can swing it. 643 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: So remember that I do have a nanny at home, 644 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: which is very lucky. Right now, my husband and I 645 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: are both considered essential, so we are complying, you know, 646 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 1: with local regulations. But I've been trying to sneak in 647 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: a walk outside, like around four forty five or five. 648 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: Sometimes I actually have a zoom meeting like at four, 649 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 1: but I don't know, it's not video, it's audio, so 650 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,720 Speaker 1: I can take a walk while I'm on my meeting, 651 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: and that walk is like a really nice way to 652 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 1: end the day. So somehow, if I'm able to get outside. 653 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 1: The other thing I've done is to like go outside 654 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 1: either with the kids or that tends to be the 655 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,959 Speaker 1: most logical time for the pool because it's very hot. 656 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: We have our own small pool, so we'll go in that. 657 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 1: And then sometimes sometimes a glass of wine can be 658 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: a helpful transition. Not gonna lie that every night, but 659 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 1: it's certainly nice, nice when it works out. Yeah, I 660 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: can't say that I have any really good transitions. I 661 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 1: mean I go in and out of my office a lot, 662 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: especially with all the homeschooling kids home and all that stuff. 663 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,959 Speaker 1: So it's not that there's one time when I start 664 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 1: and then I am in work mode and then I 665 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: am not in work mode. I am in and out 666 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: all day. I do try to be good about shutting 667 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 1: my laptop at some point that I actually shut it down. 668 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: For many years, in fact, I was not doing this. 669 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 1: I just let it go. I mean, let it go 670 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,919 Speaker 1: to sleep and then open it up whenever the next time. 671 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,280 Speaker 1: I was going to do it, but at some point 672 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: it turned out that was not healthy for the laptop 673 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 1: and I burnt out the screen, so I shut it 674 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: down at night, and that's kind of my Okay, now 675 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: I can be done for the evening and I'm trying 676 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 1: to relax in the evening and have a beer, you know, 677 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 1: sometimes give the baby to my husband and go take 678 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: a soak in the tub. That's nice, but no, I mean, 679 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: part of working from home for years is that there 680 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: doesn't need to be as much of a transition for me. 681 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,919 Speaker 1: I think that I'm more of a work life integrator anyway. 682 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 1: Some people are less so, and they do need stronger 683 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: transition rituals just for their own sanity. So it helps 684 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 1: to know yourself and if you're finding that you do 685 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: need something, then make a short transition. I mean, you 686 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: can invent whatever you want. I mean, maybe it's that 687 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 1: you open your planner and read a daily affirmation. Maybe 688 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 1: there's always some cool quote that's on your planner, so 689 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 1: you read that quote and think about it and then 690 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: you start work. Or maybe you can write in a 691 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,919 Speaker 1: journal for three minutes and then start work or look 692 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 1: over your to do list, set your intentions for the day, 693 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: say what would make this a great day, and then 694 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: you start work. Or maybe it's that you make a 695 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,399 Speaker 1: cup of coffee and that is your transition, or go 696 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 1: pick up the newspaper or walk around the block or something. 697 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 1: But these you can think about what it is and 698 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 1: reverse that at the end of the day. It's that 699 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 1: you make yourself a cup of tea. At the end 700 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 1: of the day you go walk around the block again, 701 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,319 Speaker 1: or whatever it is to clear your head. All right, Well, 702 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 1: this has been best of both worlds. We have been 703 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: talking with Amy and Margaret from What Fresh Hell, and 704 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,479 Speaker 1: we will be back next week with more on making 705 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 1: work and life fit together. Thanks for listening. You can 706 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 1: find me Sarah at the shoebox dot com or at 707 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 1: the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, and you can find me 708 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,359 Speaker 1: Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This has been the 709 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 1: best of both worlds podcasts. Please join us next time 710 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,720 Speaker 1: for more on making work and life work together.