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Speaker 1: Hello Texans, and welcome to the show. It's great to

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Speaker 1: have your board. As we continue with our combine content

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Speaker 1: and a whole bunch of other things going on. Mark

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Speaker 1: VanderMeer soon to be joined by John Harris. We'll catch

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Speaker 1: up with the General next week as we have a

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Speaker 1: lot of combined stuff. I did see the General yesterday

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Speaker 1: at the big unveil of the images of the Texans

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Speaker 1: new headquarters and practice facility the Toro District at the

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Speaker 1: northwest corner of Houston.

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Speaker 2: Is that how I.

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Speaker 1: Should describe it. It's right outside Graham Parkway, just south

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Speaker 1: of two ninety. How about that Bridgeland. That's the place,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of great houses there already more to

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Speaker 1: come and much more development, as this is going to

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Speaker 1: be sort of like a town center with the Texans

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Speaker 1: practice facility there and some great event possibilities there.

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Speaker 2: They went over all of it.

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Speaker 1: Many of you saw the coverage on Houston Texans dot com,

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Speaker 1: so go take a look. It was fun to be

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Speaker 1: a part of that yesterday, and I jetted back in

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Speaker 1: the morning from Indianapolis to be a part of that.

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Speaker 1: At Indianapolis, John Harris remained and got several interviews, including

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Speaker 1: this one. We'll kick off the show with with James Palmer.

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Speaker 1: Before we get to that. I know there's a story

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Speaker 1: out there about quarterback coach with the Texans, reported today

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Speaker 1: by Adam Schefter and change Jerrod Johnson parting of the

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Speaker 1: ways at quarterback coach position, and we'll find out how

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Speaker 1: that all plays out in the coming days and weeks.

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Speaker 1: Nothing has been announced by the team yet, so more

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Speaker 1: on that coming up.

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Speaker 2: But let's get to this.

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Speaker 1: James Palmer and Johnny Harris at the Combine in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 3: What's up, James? How you doing, my friend?

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Speaker 4: I'm good man.

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Speaker 5: We had time to catch up yesterday a little bit

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Speaker 5: as we were watching, you know, all these gms and

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Speaker 5: head coaches roll through. I had a chance to sit

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Speaker 5: down with quite a few of them one on one,

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 5: And you know, we're back here just like I don't know,

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Speaker 5: I just there's a vibe here that just gets me

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Speaker 5: excited for the next season, even though we're so far

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Speaker 5: from it, because it's the only event that everybody in

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Speaker 5: the league is in one place.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, I said it to I was talking to

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Speaker 6: Paul Allen. We were talking about this event. This event

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Speaker 6: is sort of cleansing because you go through the season.

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Speaker 6: The season we had, yeah, the game against New England,

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Speaker 6: it's just sort of lingered and lingered.

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Speaker 3: And then we got to here.

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Speaker 6: We saw everybody else who kind of suffered the same

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Speaker 6: fate in some way, shape or form, mo other than

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Speaker 6: the Seahawks. I haven't seen twenty of them, but you

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Speaker 6: look over there and you're like, they're the cults.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, that was tough for them.

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Speaker 6: I'm sitting next to the Chiefs like, oh, you know what, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: they dealt with it. Everybody dealt with it in some way,

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Speaker 6: so it's sort of soothing and cleansing to be here

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Speaker 2: It really is.

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Speaker 3: And it's funny you said you haven't seen I was.

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Speaker 5: I won't say the hour, but I was talking to

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Speaker 5: Mike McDonald last night and we were joking like, man, like,

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Speaker 5: this is like the one opportunity that one person gets

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Speaker 2: Mike, what are you doing?

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Speaker 5: He's like, well, listen, after the parade, I didn't even

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Speaker 5: that guy's just like and I'm like, oh, woe is

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Speaker 5: me for Mike McDonald. But you're right, that's the way

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Speaker 5: everybody felt. I was there in the room when Josh

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Speaker 5: Allen's pouring tears out, you know, after that divisional round,

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Speaker 5: to capitalize?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I know everybody in Houston feels that way. I know

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Speaker 5: here going, Thanos was not part of the postseason this year,

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Speaker 5: And that's I think that side of it is really

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I said this to a number of people.

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Speaker 6: Look, you had no Mahomes, you had no Burrow, you

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Speaker 6: had no Lamar, and obviously Josh can go win a

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Speaker 6: play the Patriots. I remember we're sitting in the hotel

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Speaker 6: we're all cheering for the Bills, which is weird. I

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Speaker 6: would have been wild to win two road games in

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Speaker 6: of course you ride the roller coaster of an hour

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Speaker 6: I think that was the one thing definitely for us

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Speaker 3: This was that year.

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Speaker 6: Now, how do those teams, the Bengals, the Chiefs and

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Speaker 6: you know, the Ravens get back into it. Obviously the

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Speaker 6: you know, getting back in He lost a lot of

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Speaker 6: of course there's the Bengals who played no defense. But

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Speaker 6: I have the best offensive tack you're gonna find anywhere.

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Speaker 6: But I want to stay with the Seahawks for a

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Speaker 3: That's how they're gonna win this thing.

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Speaker 6: And yet in Super Bowl didn't do a lot offensively,

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Speaker 6: know it goes in cycles, but this is the trend.

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Speaker 6: You go get defensive studs, you can win it with defense,

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Speaker 6: and go win a championship with defense. Look, Denver's got

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Speaker 6: is there maybe a different way to do it. Seattle showed, yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 6: Now you gotta have some studs, but maybe you can

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Speaker 2: I agree.

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Speaker 5: I did some reports for the Athletic down the stretch

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Speaker 5: going like maybe starting midway through the season, John that

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Speaker 5: it was like, we're seeing a pivot here this season.

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Speaker 5: Obviously it's a quarterback driven leave and obviously you mentioned

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Speaker 5: you have one of those guys you can win at

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Speaker 5: any point or in any building. But at the same time,

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Speaker 5: I think Seattle is a really good example. They truly are.

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Speaker 5: They went out and obviously it was too deep head

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Speaker 5: who's hiring the next offensive genius? John Schneider, who has

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Speaker 5: why I think it sets them apart from a lot

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Speaker 5: for the exact same piece. And I think that's where

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Speaker 5: Mike is different, and I don't know if it's entirely

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Speaker 5: But I do think with the way that we saw

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Speaker 5: and I don't think Denver has the same year again,

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Speaker 5: if I'm being frank, I don't think New England has

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Speaker 5: With these fronts on the defensive side.

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Speaker 6: Sitting next to US Kansas City Chiefs, and there are

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Speaker 6: always this just looming you you call Fanos, there they are.

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Speaker 3: They just loom. Whether you see him at one point

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Speaker 6: We'll play the Chargers because we actually finished second, which

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Speaker 6: If we do, we'll see him into playoffs. How does

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Speaker 6: that thing we ask a A does it turn around be?

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Speaker 3: I think the world of Patrick.

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Speaker 5: I think he is the best player on the planet,

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Speaker 5: even though Josh has played outstanding of late. I don't

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Speaker 5: is a fascinating season to see what Brett Viach in

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Speaker 5: this group does. They have issues on depth on the

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Speaker 5: defensive side of the ball, for sure. Specifically, as we

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Speaker 5: talked about this up front, they couldn't stop anybody, right.

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Speaker 5: That was the that was the difference between them and

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Speaker 5: the rest of these teams we're talking about in the AFC.

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Speaker 5: Houston included they can stop you, you can get stops,

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Speaker 5: And this is just from people outside of Kansas City

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Speaker 3: Does this group of pass catchers fit Patrick just a

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 5: There are people around the league that are not so

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Speaker 6: I can tell you in our game, our look, our secondary,

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Speaker 6: our secondary. I mean, they would intimidate the devil and

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Speaker 6: they remember when Jalen Petrie makes the hit on Rashih Rice. Yep,

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Speaker 6: there are a lot of people in Houston going, hey,

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Speaker 6: that's why Rachie Rice dropped that fourth down play. And

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Speaker 6: I've thought about that and I don't think nine is

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Speaker 6: too early for a wide receiver, depending on who it is.

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Speaker 6: But I feel like Patrick got to have his wide

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Speaker 6: receiver equivalent of what Kelsey is for him, like his

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Speaker 6: will be his blanket. Look, he's gone to Kelson every situation,

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Speaker 6: every big situation.

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Speaker 3: He just knows he can trust him.

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Speaker 6: But what receiver since ireek'spent out where they go, Okay,

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Speaker 6: that's the receiver version of Kelsey. You know, a guy

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Speaker 6: like Mikayle Lemon would be, you know, perfect. I don't

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Speaker 6: know if nine is where you want to do that,

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Speaker 6: but I'm I'm with you. Have you ever been talked

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Speaker 5: And I think obviously with the new OC like you

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Absolutely, And I think from a receiver standpoint in Houston,

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Speaker 5: It's like the bass catball team vibe that people use

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Speaker 6: I was like that that connection is something he hasn't

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Speaker 6: But let's talk about the Texans for a second, because

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Speaker 6: There have been nationally some people that have thrown off

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Speaker 6: He called it, and I repeat, moronic on Tuesday of

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Speaker 3: But I don't think there's any.

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Speaker 6: Question that for the Texans to take that next step,

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Speaker 6: know you follow the Texans.

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Speaker 3: How does CJ do it? How does he.

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Speaker 6: Get to that next step to be able to impress

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's a huge off season for him. I

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Speaker 5: can't overstate that by any stretch. Correct. What Nick did say,

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Speaker 5: that's being a good general manager. You should call because

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Speaker 5: CJ has a lot of talent. And it goes back

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Speaker 5: to me having this conversation with Kurt Warner like a

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Speaker 2: What has happened with CJ.

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Speaker 5: And obviously he knows a position much better than me

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Speaker 5: he makes it fascinating this offseason because Kurt's like his

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Speaker 5: what's strange about this is it's a we already saw it,

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Speaker 2: We know it.

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Speaker 5: B He's like, I've never seen a guy go from

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Speaker 5: essentially just a confidence thing. He's like, again, I'm not

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Speaker 5: he wants to? Again, there's been change. He wanted more

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Speaker 5: And this is the first year that he went through it.

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Speaker 5: get back to that and finding that match? That's what

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Speaker 5: everybody's looking for. I mean, Jalen Hurts has gone through

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Speaker 6: You could see why you guys liked him so much.

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Speaker 6: But I want to go back to that point when

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Speaker 5: We did this breakdown, we do I've we'll be doing

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Speaker 5: Please don't say that part because we're picking here and

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Speaker 5: Don't say that part because there's very few players in

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Speaker 3: He's a football player.

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Speaker 5: Man, And when you hear that, that is like the

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Speaker 5: this process is he's just a football player.

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Speaker 5: I think where he came from, the program he came from,

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Speaker 5: let's see how this works. I just think it's like, now, Okay,

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Speaker 6: Thing is for us this year, I don't think receivers

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Speaker 6: Everybody's convinced he's gonna be a Texan because of our

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Speaker 6: connection to John Carroll.

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Speaker 3: But that's that's a different Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's such a.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he kicked ass at this at the Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 3: It was amazing.

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Speaker 6: He was one of the top three receivers in the

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Speaker 6: Senior Bowl. It's it's incredible. But uh, check out the

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Speaker 6: kid from Yukontu.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Skylar Bell.

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Speaker 6: I'm a big fan of Skylard Belt now soar Wig.

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Speaker 6: He is a big time players. It's funny with all

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Speaker 6: these draft picks, James, you know this goes Yeah, we

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Speaker 6: don't need receivers for the most part.

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Speaker 3: We really don't need edge rushers. But my god, I

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Speaker 3: want David Bailey so.

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Speaker 6: Bad to be used in Texans, you know, But I

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Speaker 6: know we can't have him, you know, because he's gonna

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Speaker 6: be gone obviously for the Texans Draft.

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Speaker 3: But you're the best man. I love you.

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Speaker 6: You do such a great work, Villace Mutual. I'm so

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Speaker 6: proud of what you've done and how you've built your empire.

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Speaker 6: Uh since you've left Houston, what you continue to do. Man,

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Speaker 6: You're the best brother. Thank you, Oh appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: There's John Harris with James Palmer at the Combine coming

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Speaker 1: up Ian Rappaport NFL Network.

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Speaker 2: What's he up to?

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Speaker 1: We'll dig into his life and then next year on

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Speaker 1: Texans Radio. Okay, right back into the fray here on

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Speaker 1: Texans Radio in the hun Day Texans Radio studio. But

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Speaker 1: we are also in Indianapolis, how Modern Technology. I was

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Speaker 1: there earlier this week. Johnny coming back tonight or tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: But plenty of interviews to be had with various NFL

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Speaker 1: media members and others, including Nick Assario. We had him

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Speaker 1: on the show on Tuesday. That interview should be up

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Speaker 1: on YouTube soon enough, if it's not already. It's certainly

474
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Speaker 1: available in podcast form on Spotify and Houston Texans dot com.

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Speaker 1: And one of the guests we caught up with this week,

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Speaker 1: Ian Rappaport, NFL Network which is now controlled by ESPN,

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Speaker 1: So we'll see how that affects his career. Will he

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Speaker 1: be working with Adam Schefter side by side sort of

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Speaker 1: like Mortensen and Schefter used to. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: they're going to handle it, but we get into a

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Speaker 1: variety of things with Ian Rappaport in this interview.

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Speaker 2: Right here, Ian.

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Speaker 1: Rappaport joining us at the NFL Scouting Combine, and Ian's

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Speaker 1: got his phone out, which means there's.

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Speaker 2: Breaking news and he's gotta break it right here. Come on,

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Speaker 2: come on, Okay, all.

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Speaker 4: Right, I do not wish, actually need, I need this

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Speaker 4: week as clear of breaking news as possible so I

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Speaker 4: can do the relationship building part, which is so so

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Speaker 4: important during the combine.

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Speaker 1: You know, well, tell us about that, because a lot

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Speaker 1: of people feel that way in different avenues, different work avenues.

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Speaker 2: If you will, a chance reporters.

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Speaker 1: Alike GMS and support personnel within each team getting to

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Speaker 1: know each other for future employment possible.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I would say that that's really a

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Speaker 4: big part of this. Now there's been fewer and fewer

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Speaker 4: coaching staffs that are actually here. I think, you know,

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Speaker 4: half maybe of the staffs are here, which used to

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Speaker 4: be everybody would come. But you know, it's it's not

501
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Speaker 4: maybe the most efficient use of time. I like it

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Speaker 4: because I can just literally like walk around the hallways,

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Speaker 4: walk around the bars and restaurants, just go run into

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Speaker 4: people right and have just good conversations. And like for me,

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Speaker 4: you know, it's spend a lot of my time on

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Speaker 4: the phone. Obviously, the face to face interactions are so

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Speaker 4: so important to what I do. And you know, more

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Speaker 4: than just like, hey, is this guy being signed or not?

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Speaker 4: You know, it's like let's just chat what's going on

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Speaker 4: with your family. I mean, those sorts of things are

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Speaker 4: very important.

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Speaker 3: And then you bring in the fact that you've got

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Speaker 3: these college prospects now m M.

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Speaker 6: I mean it's you know, there's free agency and there's

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Speaker 6: NFL stuff, but all a sudden you bring in these

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Speaker 6: these college prospects with everybody's trying to get to know

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Speaker 6: et cetera. Ian For us, our show's over at a

518
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Speaker 6: certain time, we go home. These people have a morning show,

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Speaker 6: they go home for you, guys, I was gonna say

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Speaker 6: for you, is this pretty much this week?

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Speaker 3: Ten days? Whatever it is?

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Speaker 6: Is this a twenty four seven, three sixty five, Like

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Speaker 6: you're maybe get an hour sleep here, a couple of

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Speaker 6: hours sleep here because the phone is near.

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Speaker 3: You've got to be ready to go with breaking news.

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Speaker 3: Is that what this week is like for you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I mean it's it's really the kind of thing where,

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Speaker 4: you know, not everything in life is about like staying

530
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Speaker 4: out till three in the morning, but a lot of

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Speaker 4: times the combine is because you just never know who

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Speaker 4: you're going to run into, real conversations you're gonna have,

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Speaker 4: and so I try to be you know, part of

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Speaker 4: the way I do things. I just try to be

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Speaker 4: really available, you know, to everything. So like people know,

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Speaker 4: when they call, no matter what I'm doing, I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: answer the phone because you never know a kuba on

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Speaker 4: the other end, it could be you know, the amount

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Speaker 4: of times I've gone, wait, why is this person calling me?

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Speaker 4: I get it and it's some major scoop, major situation.

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Speaker 4: So I stay available, I stay out, and you know,

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Speaker 4: just trying to be there for whatever news happens. And

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Speaker 4: a lot of times, you know, what happens the conversations

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Speaker 4: Jeff this week sets the tone for the next two weeks,

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Speaker 4: which are you know, franchise tags and free agency.

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Speaker 1: Well, I was going to ask you about that because

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Speaker 1: that's gentlemen start your engines with legal tampering And what's

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Speaker 1: that like for you? Building up to that because you

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Speaker 1: know who the free agents are, but you gotta be

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Speaker 1: ready for anything.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you know, free agency is one thing.

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Speaker 4: But then I think one thing we've seen over the

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Speaker 4: last several years, and you know Texans have been in

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Speaker 4: the middle of it, is anyone could be traded. That's

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Speaker 4: kind of where we no Nazi distrout today. It was

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Speaker 4: good and I like Nick so much and he really

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Speaker 4: just doesn't have time for nonsense. So like I liked

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Speaker 4: greatly that he took a stupid question and I was like,

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Speaker 4: this is moronic, just so you know, this is moronic.

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Speaker 4: But I mean, you know, free agency is not just

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Speaker 4: free agency. Also, who's going to be traded? Everyone's got

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Speaker 4: cap space, a lot of teams, and so it's like

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Speaker 4: you have to be on your toes because anything can

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Speaker 4: come out of nowhere, and like, you know, it's a

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Speaker 4: great period. It's a great couple of weeks, but it

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Speaker 4: is unbelievably stressful because you just never know what you're

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Speaker 4: gonna get hit with.

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Speaker 6: Ian I've read I think it was this week, and

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure when you did the podcast, but you're

570
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Speaker 6: asked about being first, and you mentioned thirty seconds matters.

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Speaker 6: If I beat this guy by thirty seconds in your business,

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Speaker 6: that matters, Like you said, that's a very.

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Speaker 3: Stressful way to live.

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Speaker 6: Man, Am I thirty seconds ahead of such and such

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Speaker 6: or the other guys that break news that kind of live.

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Speaker 3: In that world?

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Speaker 6: Is that kind of the way you look at it? Like, Man,

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Speaker 6: this is a competiti this is my competition. This is

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Speaker 6: the way that I compete that I gotta beat these

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Speaker 6: guys by thirty seconds or a minute.

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Speaker 3: I just got to be first to get my information

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Speaker 3: out here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I would say, you know that that

584
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Speaker 4: is how I do it. That's how I live it.

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Speaker 4: You want to be first, and you know, really, it's

586
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Speaker 4: like you have a bunch of fans follow you on

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Speaker 4: different platforms and they rely on you to give them

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Speaker 4: the news first. And that's kind of my job is

589
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Speaker 4: to make sure that the people who follow me have

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Speaker 4: the new, whether it's TV, you know, Twitter, Instagram, YouTube,

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Speaker 4: like whatever it is. Make sure they have the news first,

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Speaker 4: and like, you know, people are always like, well, you know,

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Speaker 4: it's just thirty seconds. And I'm like, well, if you

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Speaker 4: win a football game by just one point, are you

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Speaker 4: like that's just one point, It's like, well, no, that's

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Speaker 4: like a win and that's you know, and then the

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Speaker 4: other the thing they'll say is like, well, doesn't matter.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't know, it doesn't matter to win

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Speaker 4: football games. Doesn't matter if you go eleven and six

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Speaker 4: or twelve and five, Like, yeah, it matters.

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Speaker 6: And you also, even if you're not first, you're also

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Speaker 6: the person I know. No, this has come up a

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Speaker 6: number of times. What's at rap sheet set is if

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Speaker 6: if at rap sheet hasn't tweeted it or put it

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Speaker 6: out there, then we're not We're not buying it until

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Speaker 6: I appreciate that. Until then we'll buy it. You know,

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Speaker 6: you're also kind of the confirmation piece for a lot

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Speaker 6: of people.

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Speaker 2: But there's also a rap sheet with four p's.

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Speaker 3: Or yeah, you got to be careful about that.

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Speaker 4: You gotta be careful about that. But no, that's what

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Speaker 4: you know, that's what I hope and there's been, you know,

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Speaker 4: plenty of times where I've wanted something first, I'm not

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Speaker 4: a thousand percent sure on it, and I'm like, I'm

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Speaker 4: just not going to hit s end until I know.

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Speaker 4: And if you get beat, you get beat. But being

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Speaker 4: wrong is way worse.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I see interesting.

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Speaker 1: Ian Rappaport with us, what do you think it's going

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Speaker 1: with the eighteen game possibility and everybody plays an international

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Speaker 1: game and what are your expectations there?

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Speaker 4: Ian, I would say it does feel like eighteen games

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Speaker 4: is coming. Eventually, it would have to be negotiated between

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Speaker 4: the NFL and the NFLPA, And I don't know that

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Speaker 4: the PA is there yet. They still have an executive director,

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Speaker 4: still a little bit in transition as an organization. I

627
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Speaker 4: think it's coming. I just don't know, you know, is

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Speaker 4: it going to be like next year, Like, it's not

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Speaker 4: gonna be next year, but in the coming years, let's

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Speaker 4: say five years and then yeah, I mean I could

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Speaker 4: see getting to a point where six or sixteen international games.

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Speaker 4: I mean there's nine now, so like it's not that far.

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Speaker 4: It's a lot, but it's like, you know, it's kind

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Speaker 4: of like anything else in the NFL. It's like if

635
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Speaker 4: everyone has to deal with it, what can you really do?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And the NFL, I think does such a good

638
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Speaker 4: job of being like, you know, we are going to

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Speaker 4: create a practice space for you, We are going to

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Speaker 4: create a stadium experience you like. So, yes, the flights

641
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 4: are a little longer, but the other stuff is kind

642
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Speaker 4: of handled, you know. So I do think that's coming.

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Speaker 6: In coming up on this new league year. You mentioned

644
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Speaker 6: free agency. We deal a lot with the draft, but

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Speaker 6: the trades obviously has become something that in Houston, of course,

646
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Speaker 6: has been you know, kind of big.

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Speaker 3: There's always been.

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Speaker 6: A trade that over the last few years has kind

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Speaker 6: of popp out of nowhere in some sense, Like last

650
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Speaker 6: year we didn't even see the CJ.

651
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Speaker 3: Gardner Johnson the trade happening, Like, whoa, I think this

652
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Speaker 3: broke that exactly. You anticipate, good job.

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Speaker 6: Do you anticipate more of the trades this year versus

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Speaker 6: free agency happening or signings.

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Speaker 4: Not more trades, because there's always going to be more

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Speaker 4: free agents than there are trades. But yeah, I mean

657
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Speaker 4: I think you know what's happened is I mean, you

658
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Speaker 4: guys know Nick Cacio very well, like he will consider

659
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Speaker 4: almost anything and I think there's more gms who are

660
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Speaker 4: like that. Were like, I'm going to do the best

661
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Speaker 4: deal for me. Is it going to work? I don't know,

662
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Speaker 4: but I'm going to do the apps best I can

663
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Speaker 4: to try to get it to work. And if it doesn't,

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Speaker 4: that's okay, We'll move on to another option. Like that's

665
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Speaker 4: kind of how Nick goes through things. He's not afraid

666
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Speaker 4: to take a risk if he believes in it. And

667
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Speaker 4: you look around the league and there's more gms like that,

668
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Speaker 4: and I think it's led to a much more trade

669
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Speaker 4: happy environment.

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Speaker 2: Tell us about hosting the Pat McAfee show.

671
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Speaker 4: It's a trip, man, it is a trip. It's Pat

672
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Speaker 4: is the Best. And I mean it's funny because, like,

673
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Speaker 4: you know, it's like, what's it like to host? Like

674
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Speaker 4: I have no idea. I'm just hanging out with friends,

675
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Speaker 4: right and three hours go by and I'm like, oh,

676
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 4: that was a commercial art. Well see in a second.

677
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Speaker 4: You know, It's like it really is like hanging out

678
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Speaker 4: with your buddies. And I think that's kind of the

679
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Speaker 4: magic of the Pat McAfee show.

680
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Speaker 1: But that's the premiere sports talk show right now, and

681
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Speaker 1: you get to guest host it.

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Speaker 2: It's like you're too young.

683
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Speaker 1: But back in the day, if somebody's guest hosting Carson

684
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Speaker 1: or something, they might become a big star, right that

685
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Speaker 1: that is part of your craft as well. I mean

686
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Speaker 1: you're a story breaker, of course, but you could also

687
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Speaker 1: do that and that's really handling.

688
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 2: Well.

689
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Speaker 4: I appreciate that. The thing I like most about it

690
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 4: is just a lot of fun. Like I leave those

691
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 4: times and I'm like, God, that was awesome. So you know,

692
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Speaker 4: my job is a lot of stress. You guys know,

693
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Speaker 4: it's a lot of work that goes into it. Those

694
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Speaker 4: are the moments that feel just like fun, and that's

695
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Speaker 4: pretty awesome.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 6: I always just think about you and your colleagues. In

698
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Speaker 6: January of twenty five, Chams puts out a tweet, Luka,

699
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 6: Doncic has been traded. And I can only imagine what

700
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 6: Schams is thinking when he sees that text, and he's like, wait,

701
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Speaker 6: is this real? Have you ever gotten a piece of

702
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Speaker 6: information where you've looked at and gon, this it real?

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Speaker 3: And yet it turns out to be that way.

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Speaker 4: Couple of times. Yeah, I mean I broke the Sauce

705
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Speaker 4: Gardner trade this year. Oh yeah, yeah, and it was

706
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Speaker 4: a phone call, and the person was like, just want

707
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Speaker 4: to let you know this is happening. And I go, wait, what,

708
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 4: like when now? Right now? And I'm like right now,

709
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Speaker 4: right now, and I'm like hold on, and I'm like

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Speaker 4: I am going to read this to you to make

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Speaker 4: sure that there are nothing left to interpretation. Is this

712
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Speaker 4: happening yes?

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, was it the comp that kind

714
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Speaker 1: of made you say, all right, wait a minute, I

715
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Speaker 1: gotta double make sure.

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Speaker 4: No, it was just that just I mean, teams don't

717
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Speaker 4: trade great young players like those guys never get traded.

718
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Speaker 4: So that was pretty fun. The other fun one was

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Speaker 4: the Philip Rivers.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, coming.

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Speaker 4: Back where I'm like it started. I mean, that took

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Speaker 4: basically nine hours to break because it started off with

723
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Speaker 4: a conversation of like, this is crazy. I heard this

724
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Speaker 4: funny rumor ranted by some people with the Colts and

725
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Speaker 4: the response was like, oh, you're a little crazy, and

726
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Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, wait, that's not.

727
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Speaker 2: A no, you're a little crazy.

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Speaker 4: Nine hours later, here we.

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Speaker 1: Go, it's all right, thanks a lot for joining us,

730
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Speaker 1: Thank you guys, appreciate it. There's our conversation with Ian

731
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Speaker 1: Rappaport at the Combine coming up, Let's dig into the Colts.

732
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Speaker 1: They're the host team of the combine. Actually there is

733
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Speaker 1: no host team, but they're the team that resides in

734
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Speaker 1: the city in which the combine is held. And you know,

735
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: I hate them like poison, but I like Matt He's

736
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Speaker 1: a good guy and he's next here on Tech Since Radio.

737
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Speaker 1: We've got one more segment tonight, and it's a good

738
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Speaker 1: one here on Texans Radio as our combined content Binge

739
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: continues from Indianapolis as Johnny Harris and I had a

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Speaker 1: chance to visit with the Voice of the Colts. Now,

741
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Speaker 1: you know, I hate the Colts like poison because they

742
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: owned the Texans for so long, but we own them lately.

743
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 2: Man, We've been getting over on them lately.

744
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Speaker 1: How about the Texans winning in twenty twenty two, twenty three,

745
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Speaker 1: twenty four, twenty five. That's four in a row on

746
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Speaker 1: the road in Indianapolis. And I don't need to remind

747
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: diehard Texans fans that it took thirteen tries fourteen. Really,

748
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Speaker 1: they were zero for thirteen before finally beating the Colts

749
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Speaker 1: in twenty eleven, or rather twenty fifteen up there. I

750
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Speaker 1: don't know why twenty eleven sticks out because we should

751
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Speaker 1: have beaten them that night. They had Dan Orlowski starting

752
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: at quarterbacks, but the Texans lost that one somehow. However,

753
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: it is different now, and it's very different for the Colts,

754
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: but maybe not so much because lately they've had quarterback problems,

755
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Speaker 1: not knowing who it's going to be. It's somebody else

756
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: every year. Last year, Daniel Jones gets off to a

757
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Speaker 1: great start. Let's start right there with Matt Taylor, Voice

758
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Speaker 1: of the Colts. What happened and what is happening going

759
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Speaker 1: into twenty twenty six at that position?

760
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Speaker 7: Obviously, you know, Daniel Jones, I think came in and

761
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Speaker 7: I think this whole concept of quarterback resurgence is a

762
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Speaker 7: real thing. I mean, look what Sam Darnold did and

763
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Speaker 7: Baker Mayfield and Geno Smith, and I think just going

764
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Speaker 7: to the right place with the right scheme and then

765
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Speaker 7: the right guy to complement you in this case Daniel

766
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Speaker 7: Jones was Shane Steichen. You saw what that meant in

767
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Speaker 7: the first ten games of the season. Now, granted, I

768
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 7: think the detractors from Daniel Jones will say, well, who

769
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Speaker 7: did you play? Right those first ten games of the season,

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Speaker 7: the Colts were just beating the hell out of bad teams.

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Speaker 7: But that's what you're supposed to do to bad teams.

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Speaker 7: And so the Colts got off to this blistering fast start.

773
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Speaker 7: They were eight and two, and the first ten games

774
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Speaker 7: of the season, they were putting up historic numbers on offense,

775
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Speaker 7: like not no hyperbole, Like they led the NFL in

776
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 7: points per game around thirty three, averaging four hundred yards

777
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Speaker 7: per game. Like their points per possession, which I know

778
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Speaker 7: is kind of a nerdy stat, but like that just

779
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Speaker 7: goes to show you how efficient you are. Their points

780
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Speaker 7: per possession was over like three point two. You weren't punting.

781
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Speaker 7: They weren't punting.

782
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Speaker 3: That was sitting on the side, like you weren't punting.

783
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Speaker 7: They didn't punt until their third game of the season. Seriously,

784
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Speaker 7: Like they were scoring every time they.

785
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Speaker 3: Had the ball.

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Speaker 6: I chuckle because we heard all about that in Houston, Like,

787
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Speaker 6: they're not even punting in Indieapolis.

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Speaker 3: How are we gonna beat them?

789
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Speaker 2: To man?

790
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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 7: But then so then a couple of things happened. Daniel

792
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Speaker 7: Jones got banged up in Berlin, fractured as fibula, wasn't

793
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Speaker 7: the same guy. Offense took on different dynamics. Then he

794
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Speaker 7: gets hurt altogether with a torn achilles. They lose their

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Speaker 7: last seven games. And I mentioned the schedule earlier. The

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Speaker 7: schedule down the stretch for the Colts really heated up.

797
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Speaker 7: They played sixth to end the year. They played six

798
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Speaker 7: consecutive teams that won at least eleven games, including the

799
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Speaker 7: Jaguars and Texans four times in that span. So that

800
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Speaker 7: didn't help either. Defense kind of fell off a cliff.

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Speaker 7: Injuries were a huge thing for the Colts. You make

802
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 7: no excuses, right, but Jones gets banged up, Charvarius Ward

803
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 7: Toforest Buckner, Sauce Gardner, you had some other ones on

804
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Speaker 7: offense along the offensive line. It just injuries killed this

805
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 7: team at the worst possible time. But you make no excuses, right.

806
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Speaker 7: Who are the Colts? Are they the eight and two

807
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Speaker 7: Colts with a healthy Daniel Jones or are they the

808
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Speaker 7: zero to seven Colts to end the season when you

809
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Speaker 7: played a tough schedule. That was the frustrating part of

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Speaker 7: this turnaround for the Colts in a negative way is

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Speaker 7: that they were three and seven and one score games

812
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Speaker 7: in two and eight against teams that were over five hundred.

813
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Speaker 3: Right.

814
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Speaker 7: So the Colts are running it back with carl Ersa

815
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Speaker 7: Gordon putting more confidence and more faith that the Colts

816
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Speaker 7: are the they're more the first half to eight and two.

817
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Speaker 7: Then the back half Colts with a banged up team

818
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Speaker 7: and with a non healthy Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 6: Okay, let's go through the Sauce Gardner trade, because I

820
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Speaker 6: know when we saw that trade, I just immediately, having

821
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Speaker 6: no Chris ballad for over thirty years, I just thought

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Speaker 6: that just doesn't feel like a deal he would make

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Speaker 6: because he, of anybody, knows defensive backs, corners, and he's

824
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Speaker 6: never drafted one early. I think the only one I

825
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 6: can remember him drafted early was Rocky Scene a few

826
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Speaker 6: years ago. And then it work out exceptionally well. But

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Speaker 6: can you take us through that Sauce Gardner trade kind

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Speaker 6: of how it came to be and what were the thoughts. Obviously,

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Speaker 6: he gets hurt on the second play of the game

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Speaker 6: against US, and we were looking forward to that Sauce

831
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 6: versus Nico battle like it's a second play of the game,

832
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Speaker 6: and now he's out, doesn't play, doesn't play in the

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Speaker 6: in the remaining game as well. Yeah, but can you

834
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Speaker 6: take us through how that all unfolded Matt and what

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Speaker 6: the thought is going forward with Sauce and how he's

836
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Speaker 6: going to impact the defense.

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Speaker 7: I personally the time loved the trade because the draft

838
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 7: is I mean, you're talking about prospects.

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Speaker 3: Give me.

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Speaker 7: I don't know how you guys feel, but my personal

841
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 7: philosophy is give me proven Sunday production over how good

842
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 7: I think some guy's going to be down the line.

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00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 2: Well, especially the situation.

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Speaker 7: You were in at the time, right, they were all in,

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00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 7: they were going for yeah, and it made a lot

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Speaker 7: of sense. I mean, I think they proved in themselves

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Speaker 7: through the first ten weeks that we're one of the

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Speaker 7: best teams in the NFL and we've got this window

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Speaker 7: and there's a chance here where we can add a

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Speaker 7: and I say this all the time, premium player at

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Speaker 7: a premium position like this guy is a former first

852
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 7: time or a two time All Pro player at the

853
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 7: premium spot and cornerback. And the Colts really took a

854
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 7: lot of criticism at the end of the twenty twenty

855
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 7: four season about how their secondary was comprised and it

856
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 7: killed them in the passing game. And so last offseason

857
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 7: the Colts really went big to address that with Cam

858
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 7: Bindham in free agency, various ward and free agency. Then

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00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 7: at the deadline they give up two first round picks

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Speaker 7: for Sauce Gardner. Now, it obviously didn't pay immediate dividends

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Speaker 7: because he missed a majority of his Colt's tenure in

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00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 7: the back half of the season with the calf injury.

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00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 7: So he's taken some criticism there. But I loved it

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Speaker 7: at the time because give me a guy, you know,

865
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 7: can be a shutdown corner over anybody that you think

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00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 7: is you know, viable for you in the first round

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Speaker 7: in each of the next two years. But they that's

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00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 7: that's their mindset. They were eight and two record wise,

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00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 7: they were one of the better teams in the NFL.

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Speaker 7: They were in they were in first place in the

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Speaker 7: AFC South by like two and a half games, and

872
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 7: they had the number one seed in the conference at

873
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,479
Speaker 7: that point. Like, I love the trade. I loved going

874
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 7: for it, you know what I mean, Like go big,

875
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 7: be bold. You know the Wayne Gretzky you know comment right,

876
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 7: you missed one hundred percent of the shots that don't take.

877
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 7: So I loved it from that standpoint. It just didn't

878
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 7: work out because it coincided with all the other injury

879
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 7: on both sides of the ball, and Daniel Jones getting

880
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 7: hurt and you know Ward, Scharvarius Ward and Kenny Moore

881
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 7: and also Sauce Gardner. Those guys can they play a

882
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 7: combined one game together?

883
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 3: Oh?

884
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 4: All of last year?

885
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 7: Oh and then Buckner missed nine games. And that's where

886
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 7: the Colts I mean, I know, going on a little

887
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 7: bit of a tangent here, but that's where the Colts

888
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 7: have to figure out this year. They went big, big

889
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 7: time bold in the secondary last year. I think this

890
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 7: year they got to address the pass rush because your

891
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 7: your best pass rusher can't be a defensive tackle, right

892
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 7: DeForest Buckner's great, but he can't be their best pass rusher.

893
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 7: And he was last year. You know, they had I

894
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 7: think twenty six sacks in the nine games he was

895
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 7: healthy and only thirteen in the games that he wasn't healthy.

896
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 7: Big time drop off there. So they got to find

897
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 7: more consistency, especially off the edge along that defense. But

898
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 7: I think long term, the Sauce Gardner trade is really

899
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 7: going to be really beneficial.

900
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 3: For the Colts. So you bring a pass rush.

901
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 6: A lot of articles you read about top one hundred

902
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 6: free agents and tough fifty free agents to number one

903
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 6: one is Trey Hendrickson and it's almost always been to

904
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 6: the Colts. Yeah, because that connection. Yeah, do you think

905
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 6: that's legit? Do you think I would imagine there's interest

906
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 6: from the Colts side. What's the thought about adding Trey

907
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 6: Hendrickson to the Colts.

908
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 7: Well, I don't know if it's going to be Trey

909
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 7: Hendrickson individually or like on its own, but I do

910
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 7: think somebody that I think the Colts have to bring in,

911
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,720
Speaker 7: somebody they have to address that situation. Quitt, he Pay,

912
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 7: Taekwon Lewis, and Samson Ebacom are all free agents, all

913
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 7: pass rushers. Right, It's bad timing in terms of those

914
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 7: guys all hitting the market or being free agents all

915
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 7: at the same time. But combine those guys, they have

916
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 7: different situations. Like Quitty's more of a run stopper, a

917
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 7: guy that sets the edge, right, I'm not trying to

918
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 7: downplay what he can what he can be, but last

919
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 7: year only four sacks. You know, Taekwon has been more

920
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 7: of a rotational guy, but he's dealt with injuries. He's

921
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 7: missed over four games in his career. And then Samson

922
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 7: was a guy that the year before last had nine

923
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 7: and a half sacks, but he's coming off an achilles

924
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 7: tear and just wasn't the same guy. Right, no criticism there,

925
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 7: but I mean it's just a tough injury at that

926
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 7: position to overcome and come back the next year and

927
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 7: be the same guys. But the point is those three

928
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 7: guys who are free agents had to combine nine sacks

929
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 7: last year, so they don't have a first round pick

930
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 7: because of Sauce Gardner. I think the only viable way

931
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 7: to really address that and to hopefully take the defense

932
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 7: over the top and to the next level is to

933
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 7: address it in free agency while also supplementing it in

934
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 7: the draft. Right, maybe starting in round two, round three.

935
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: All Right, your reaction to the Jaguars winning the division,

936
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 1: and not only that, the way they did it. The

937
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: Texans came back from nineteen down to beat him. They

938
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: didn't lose again until the playoffs, so they won the

939
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: AFC South Houston trying desperately to catch them. We thought, man,

940
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: they're gonna stumble at some point, Texans. If they keep winning,

941
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. Yeah, and it's ever could get him

942
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 1: that night never happened. So thoughts of the Jacks.

943
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 7: Well, it's terrifying. It's terrifying for the Colts because there's

944
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 7: you know, there's we're sitting here in February and I

945
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 7: don't have a deal yet with Daniel Jones. They still

946
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 7: have to figure out what they're gonna do with Alec Pierce.

947
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 7: You could argue that Jones and Pierce are the two

948
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 7: biggest free agents in the NFL and they're on the

949
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 7: same team, and Pierce is hitting that sweet spot of

950
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 7: free agency because what most most free agents are what

951
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 7: they're either too old, non productive, or they're overpaid. Right,

952
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 7: Pierce isn't any of those things.

953
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 3: Right.

954
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 4: He had the best year of his.

955
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 3: Career. He is tremendous against us until he got thrown out.

956
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's just a big yard. I forgot about that. Yeah,

957
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 7: towards the end of that game you got the boot.

958
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 7: But I mean, yeah, huge yards per play or yards

959
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 7: per catch. Guy, you know, over twenty I mean he

960
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 7: had over a thousand yards on forty seven catches.

961
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 4: Like that's unheard of in terms.

962
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 7: Of the efficiency right there, right, But you know, to

963
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 7: answer your question, I mean, you know that the Colts

964
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 7: are still they're right there in that progatory.

965
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 3: I think that's the best way to put it.

966
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 7: They've they've now missed the playoffs five years in a row,

967
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 7: and in four of those five seasons they've won at

968
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 7: least eight games. It's like right where you don't want

969
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 7: to be, you know, because you don't have you're not

970
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 7: picking in the top five to bring in impactful players

971
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 7: at defensive end or quarterback or receiver. You know, had

972
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 7: they hung on to their pick, they would have been

973
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 7: right there in the middle teams. You know where they

974
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 7: drafted Laatu Latu a couple of years ago, and the

975
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 7: culture are still kind of waiting for him to turn

976
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 7: the corner. So Houston's not going anywhere at defense is otherworldly.

977
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 7: Jacksonville doing what they did last year with a big

978
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 7: time turnaround and the first year head coach and Trevor

979
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 7: Lawrence with the light bulb for him going off, you

980
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 7: know towards the middle of the season kind of just

981
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 7: playing more free and you know, taking advantage of his

982
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 7: his skill set and you know, the big trade for

983
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 7: Jacoby Myers kind of unlocking that offense. It's the AFC

984
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,959
Speaker 7: South is loaded and the cults are trying to figure

985
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 7: oute where they are in the mix, not only in

986
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 7: the division, but just inside the AFC, because think about it.

987
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 7: In the AFC this year you had the Chiefs not

988
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 7: make the playoffs, the Bengals not make the playoffs, and

989
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 7: the Ravens not make the playoffs. Like those teams aren't

990
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 7: going anywhere just because they're solidified at quarterbacks. So yeah,

991
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 7: the Colts, they haven't won a division since twenty fourteen,

992
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 7: haven't made the playoffs since twenty twenty, haven't won a

993
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 7: playoff game since they beat the Texans in twenty eighteen. Like,

994
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 7: urgency is just boiling over within the franchise.

995
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 2: To put it lightly, could.

996
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 6: You take us through the Philip Rivers experience? The first

997
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 6: game you got to Seattle, you have the world champs,

998
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 6: the team that would be the World champs on the ropes.

999
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 6: You hit the field goal to go up one or

1000
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 6: two with about forty five seconds left.

1001
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 3: Obviously the Seattle Syhawks.

1002
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 6: Come down and make one at the end, but he

1003
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 6: almost pulls out that win. He almost pulled out to

1004
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 6: Jacksonville win. What was it like going through that experience

1005
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 6: with Philip Rivers because it felt like it was not

1006
00:43:58,600 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 6: just indie stories like the.

1007
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 3: NFL story that Philip came back for this.

1008
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 7: Well, it was fun because when that week, you know,

1009
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 7: leading up to that game, I don't have it in

1010
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 7: front of me. I wish I did, But I wrote

1011
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 7: down just the most weird and not weird but like strange, unique,

1012
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 7: bizarre storylines that I've been a part of since I've

1013
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 7: been with the Colts since twenty twelve. And no disrespect

1014
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 7: to Philip Rivers, but he didn't he didn't crack the

1015
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 7: top five, right. I mean we had a quarterback retire,

1016
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 7: you know, ten days before a season or game.

1017
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

1018
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 7: I mean we had you know, a coach on on

1019
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 7: who was on ESPN come and coach the team for

1020
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 7: the last eight games of a season. You know, we

1021
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 7: had you know, all these other things. I don't need

1022
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 7: to get into it, but like it was, it was

1023
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 7: really cool because he did bring I mean, the franchise

1024
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 7: was in a bad spot. The team was in a

1025
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 7: bad spot because the week before they had lost to

1026
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 7: Jacksonville for like the tenth straight year on the road

1027
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:59,240
Speaker 7: in Jacksonville, lost their stranglehold within the division. Daniel Jones,

1028
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 7: that's the game. Daniel Jones slips on the turf and

1029
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 7: Tears's Achilles, like there was just a lot of bad mojo,

1030
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 7: and then here comes Philip Rivers and a lot of

1031
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 7: people outside of the organization, you know, just looking in

1032
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 7: at the situation, like Philip Rivers is your best option.

1033
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 7: I'll say, well, you know, Riley Leonter had a game,

1034
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 7: had to come in and play quarterback in that Jacksonville

1035
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 7: game when Jones got hurt, and he got hurt to

1036
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 7: a degree, banged up his knee. Richardson still dealing with

1037
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 7: the I that's another weird thing I could add to

1038
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 7: the list.

1039
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 3: So say, who's who? You know what left? What do

1040
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 3: we do?

1041
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 7: And so I mean, you look at the history of

1042
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 7: Shane Steiken with Philip Rivers. Philip, I mean, this offense

1043
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 7: is the offense that Philip basically came up with and invented,

1044
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 7: terminology wise, So I mean, from that standpoint, it made

1045
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:46,959
Speaker 7: a lot of sense. And also too, at the time,

1046
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 7: the Colts were still very much mathematically even though they

1047
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 7: had lost a couple of games in a row and

1048
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 7: the quarterback was out for the year, mathematically they still

1049
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 7: had a chance to make the playoffs. And I talked

1050
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 7: about that urgency at the time. Four straight years of

1051
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 7: not making the playoffs, still have a chance within the division.

1052
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 7: We still have a couple of games left with Jacksonville

1053
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 7: and Houston. We still in some ways at that point

1054
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 7: control their own destiny. So that's why they were going

1055
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 7: forward now as soon as that they were eliminated from

1056
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 7: the playoffs. Then you saw Riley Leonard come in and

1057
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 7: gave him some run in a regular season game against

1058
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 7: a really good defense on the road, which is a

1059
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 7: valuable experience for him. But that's sort of the backstory

1060
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 7: and the genesis of how they got to.

1061
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: Phillip There's our visit with Matt Taylor, Voice of the Colts,

1062
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: and there's our show for tonight. Plenty more content from

1063
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 1: the combine coming up tomorrow. Bucky Brooks will join us,

1064
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: among many other people. We got a lot of interviews

1065
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: to get to and they're all good. Thanks so much

1066
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: for listening. Area forty five is coming up next, Go Texans.