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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always

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Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. Over on the other side

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Speaker 1: of the zoom call, we've got our one and only

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Speaker 1: super producer, Max Williams. Give him a hand, folks, but

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Speaker 1: don't stop clapping. We'll keep clapping. But I'm Ben, but

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Speaker 1: don't clap for me. I need you to clap for

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Speaker 1: someone who's doing double duty. Today. We've got another super

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Speaker 1: producer who happens to be my near and dear co host,

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Speaker 1: the one and only Mr Noel Brown. You know it's weird, Ben.

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting here in the room with you in person,

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Speaker 1: but I'm just space. I'm still staring at a screen.

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Speaker 1: I refused to meet your gaze, Sir. I won't do it. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'll do it. It's different. It hits different. You know

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Speaker 1: when it's not when you're not in a little box

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Speaker 1: on the screen. Um. But yeah, it's cool. We're here

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Speaker 1: for real. I'm doing double duty. I'm sitting in the

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Speaker 1: old producer's chair. Full disclosure, we did this whole instro

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Speaker 1: a minute ago and I had one of the mix

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Speaker 1: cute up wrong. So this is round two. Know with

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Speaker 1: that was a rehearsal all the same beats though here

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Speaker 1: we are, we are and and uh, we are so

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Speaker 1: fortunate today normal because we we rarely get to record

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Speaker 1: in person, but we we made an exception for today's

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Speaker 1: very special episode. As we said in previous episode, Folks,

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Speaker 1: we're going through kind of a highst face here on

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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History, but we decided to put it on hold

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Speaker 1: for a second because we have the wonderful opportunity to

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Speaker 1: speak to an actual friend of ours, a friend of

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Speaker 1: the show for a long time. You've heard his work

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Speaker 1: anytime you've tuned into Ridiculous History. Uh. He is also

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Speaker 1: related to our own super producer, Matt. Folks, Ridiculous Historians,

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Speaker 1: let's have a big hand for the creator of not

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Speaker 1: just our soundtrack, but the amazing podcast Ephemeral, Mr Alex Williams.

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Speaker 1: Nice Ben. The second introduction was even better than the

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Speaker 1: first introduction. Yeah, practice makes perfect. I love this uproarious

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Speaker 1: applause full of Max. I think it makes us all

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Speaker 1: feel really good about ourselves. Max. Is it true that

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Speaker 1: you and Alex are blood relations? That is correct, he

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Speaker 1: is eighteen months older than me. And then like four

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Speaker 1: days or something like that. You're the little brother, just

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Speaker 1: barely right, the little brother, yea, and in eighteen months. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's pretty close on Irish twins, Alex, Like, I asked

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Speaker 1: you on the way to our offices here today, did

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Speaker 1: you did you get did you get lost? Did you

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Speaker 1: find your way? Okay? Arduously lost cartoon initially lost. Now

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Speaker 1: I have been here many times, but I'm ashamed to

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Speaker 1: say that I did set up in the wrong studio.

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Speaker 1: There's four studios here, and I was a little late,

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Speaker 1: and I was running and setting things up and plugging

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Speaker 1: things in feverishly. And I got in and I got

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Speaker 1: a different studio, and all the all the what do

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Speaker 1: you call these things? All the stuff, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: least the zoom includes you into the fact that you

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Speaker 1: weren't in the right place. But did you at least

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Speaker 1: come to that yet. We'll see how this goes. So, uh,

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Speaker 1: this is this is a peak behind the curtain, folks,

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Speaker 1: A wonderful example of what we call segways here in podcasting,

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Speaker 1: because no, I get the feeling. My spider sense tells

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Speaker 1: me that we're going somewhere with this. We are going somewhere.

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Speaker 1: We're going to what is today called Yellowstone National Park.

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Speaker 1: In an eighteen seventy it was just like super rough,

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Speaker 1: you know, rugged terrain, wilderness, dare I say? And a

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Speaker 1: gentleman by the name of Truman Everts got hopelessly, as

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Speaker 1: you say, Ben, cartoonishly terrifyingly lost for a span a

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Speaker 1: thirty seven days. And he did an account of this.

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Speaker 1: And there's a recent episode of Ephemeral that actually we

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Speaker 1: that re enacts does a dramatization what'd you call it?

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Speaker 1: Mr Brown, I think I say something like we have

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Speaker 1: come for you. We have come Alex, Like, can you

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Speaker 1: life in this way, because it's a difficult endeavor, you know,

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Speaker 1: even if you're just doing something as simple as adapting

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Speaker 1: Shakespearean story to modern language, right or doing the really

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Speaker 1: weird thing where people update the Bible to modern language,

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Speaker 1: chilled or whatever. You know, like, what where did you

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Speaker 1: originally find thirty seven days of peril? How did you

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Speaker 1: God edit that part. But the the Yeah, this is

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Speaker 1: And it's one of the best examples we've seen of

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Speaker 1: it's fine for us to talk about just how Max

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Speaker 1: beat me here, how severely this guy fucked up. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they d and they will get you. They are the

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00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: original d and d uh. This so we already see

425
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: this is going from whoops, too bad to worse to

426
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 1: worse and worse and worse. He is at this point, um.

427
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 1: He is still in possession of his mental faculties, though,

428
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 1: which is why he has the even though panicked, he

429
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: has the presence of mind to do, you know, base

430
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: like try to scare off predator type stuff. Um, I

431
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 1: mean I would imagine he's a little shook at this point,

432
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: for sure, very much. Possibly those mental faculties are beginning

433
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: to leave him still with it to us to a

434
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: degree at this point. Yeah, So what happens in the

435
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 1: mountain liin? Like I said, I mean, I thought a

436
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 1: mountain lion could like totally shimming up a tree, Like,

437
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 1: how do you think they definitely can? Yes, he says

438
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: that he was. He was screaming and breaking benches and

439
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: throwing things at him, and then he had a moment

440
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 1: of clarity that he should try silence. You know, let's

441
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 1: try something completely different than what I was doing before,

442
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: and now for something completely was it like one last yell,

443
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: one last get out of here you. I don't even lie,

444
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to be your friend, one last Wilhelm

445
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: scream and wait a minute, no, on second, that hunch

446
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: falls over the forest, only the sounds of the swing

447
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,959
Speaker 1: thickets of thistles and leaves and such in the mountain lion,

448
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: and quizzically peers around. He's like, you know what, I

449
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: think it's gonna go right, That's exactly it, And then

450
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 1: he slides down the tree and goes back to sleep.

451
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: That's day too, Broo. We ain't gonna do every day,

452
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: but that we can't do every day. But so you

453
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: can already see just like as as you said, Alex,

454
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: from day two, this stuff is bonkers. And that's still

455
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: just the beginning of just the beginning of these misadventures.

456
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 1: I believe that even the weather is against him at

457
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: one point. Yeah, we're talking like day three, day for

458
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: that weather turns and it's basically a blizzard by just overnight,

459
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: goes from temperate to blizzard. You know, up in that

460
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: high elevation that happens. Man, It's it's dangerous up there.

461
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: They tell you that when you go, you know, hike

462
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: in the rocky mountains now like you need you know,

463
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: you need to be ready to get down the mountain

464
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 1: or get shelter quickly. Honest. You know, the weather can

465
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 1: change really really fast at high elevation. Uh so, yeah,

466
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: he's got this you know, crazy blizzard and storm. I

467
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: think it's it's snow and rain actually that's uh overshadowing

468
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: him and reducing his clothing to its pitiless peltings. Yes, yes,

469
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: he does say that. Yes, anyone that's into weird and

470
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 1: achronistic terms of phrase, it's going to be this is

471
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: going to be absolute catinet for Yeah, but he's he's

472
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: pretty smart. Everyone's heard of, like you know, Old Faithful

473
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,959
Speaker 1: and all of the hot springs you know around this

474
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: part of the world. Those are a great source of heat,

475
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: and he'd be very smartly uses them to stay warm.

476
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: But it makes a few unfortunate calculations. If I'm not mistaken. Yeah,

477
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: I think he spots him from seeing them steaming from

478
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: a distance, and he makes his way over there, finds

479
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: himself a hot spring, and basically just sets up camp

480
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: for like seven days as this storm rages. He says

481
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: it was like a saw, I guess, because it's you know,

482
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: cold and wet outside, and it's warm and wet right here,

483
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 1: and so then he's he's living in the hot springs.

484
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 1: One night, he is sleeping and rolls over in his

485
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: sleep and with his hip breaks the crust on a

486
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 1: hot spring next to him and scalds his hip. What

487
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: would that be like logistically, you break the crust and

488
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: then just the steam vents out like really fast, and

489
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 1: it's very hot water, very hot water. Right there. Okay, Yeah,

490
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: you guys ever been in a hot spring. I have

491
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: been like in a like a not a resort, but

492
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: it's like a you know, a place that's got little

493
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: tubs built around the hot springs. It's actually literally called

494
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: hot Springs, North Carolina, if I'm not mistaken. It's really cool.

495
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: I don't want to stay the name of it here

496
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: because I don't want people to fly to it. But

497
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: I went to an amazing just out in the wilderness, backpacking,

498
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: like ten miles hot springs in the Olympic Peninsula and

499
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: Washington State. Oh you mentioned that. Yeah, wow, I mean

500
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: like the most magical for us, old giant old trees,

501
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: all mossy and stones that are like green and white

502
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: and purple from the algae that's coming from the sulfur springs. Uh. Yeah,

503
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: I'll tell you guys. So yeah, So we've had some

504
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: experience with hot springs. Some have been really stunning, like

505
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: the one you're describing, and some have been a little

506
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: bit of a letdown. You know. I'm not gonna name

507
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: names either, but there's a moment where you realize, hey,

508
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: these are more like warm springs. So some people will

509
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: get that. But but yes, so he is stuck between

510
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: two extremes of weather. Right, uh, and he for a

511
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: moment has a very real chance of either dying of

512
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: cold or dying due to the heat from these springs. Right. Yeah.

513
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: He also, I'm sure people are wondering what he was

514
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: eating for like three days or something he didn't eat,

515
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: and then he discovers he's staring at the ground one

516
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: day and he sees this different color of green, this

517
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: really bright color of green, and he goes and pulls

518
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: it up by the route and it's a thistle. And

519
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: basically for thirty's you know, thirty four days at this point,

520
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: he eats raw thistles. So a thistle, from what I understand,

521
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: is like a it's it's spiky. Right, I have never

522
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,719
Speaker 1: eaten a thistle, ben I have, I have. I believe

523
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: the efforts is eating a thistle root. Yes, okay, so

524
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,959
Speaker 1: this is this is funny. This is one kind of accolade.

525
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: He does get one distinction when he survives. He has

526
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: a thistle named after him. It's called Everett's thistle. He

527
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: deserved at least that. I mean, it's got a mountain

528
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: named after Okay. And he also, this guy is just

529
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: failing upwards. Not to be confused with Mount Everest. These

530
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: are two different things. Just just just to clear the

531
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: air there. Um, yeah, Google did tell me that I

532
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: typed in Mount Everest since it's like, did you mean

533
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: Mount Everest? Yeah, just to jump in here. I mean

534
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: like you can just like you know, if you ever

535
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: client Mount everetts whenever you tell people can just say

536
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: it really fast. Yeah, I climbed up Mount everests. I

537
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: didn't even have a shirt or anything. It's fine. It

538
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: took me thirty seven days, but I did it. And

539
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: I had a lot of this, a lot of thistles. Yeah,

540
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: it's true, though. Thistle. I'm right there, We're all right.

541
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: A thistle is it's very pretty, but it's very rough

542
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: and spiky underneath the beautiful kind of like pink flowery leaves.

543
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: So he would boil these roots, if I'm not mistaken,

544
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: when he was living in his sauna in the in

545
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: the hot springs during the storm, one of many storms. Yeah,

546
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: he had a little dinner pot that he would cook

547
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: his roots in. Um. I don't think that it was

548
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: a gray way to subsist, but I think probably cooking

549
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: them was nice when he could do that. Where do

550
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: you get the dinner pot? Was that attached to a

551
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: hitch to his belt or something. I thought he only

552
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: had like a little bubbling spring. He just called it

553
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: his dinner. So he's like got his feet in one

554
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: and his feet are already frost bitten. Now his hip

555
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: is burnt, and he's just like lounging out in the

556
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: steam bath getting parboiled and dipping roots in here. And like,

557
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: on the one hand, that sounds kind of pleasant, um,

558
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: but you know, under the circumstances, he's obviously suffering horrendously

559
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: while he's doing this. Yeah, you know, No, when I

560
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: was listening to this, I thought the same thing as you.

561
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: I was if that sounds kind of pleasant, honestly, and stuff, Well,

562
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: let's not forget the onset of gang green, the onset

563
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: of frost bite, and potential who knows. I mean, it

564
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: just has no medical um intervention of any kind. He

565
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: has no supplies. I mean, that hip could have really festered,

566
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: you know, or any number of injuries that he could

567
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: to god, you know, twisted ankle could have killed him,

568
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: you know. Indeed, And that's something I think is really

569
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: instructive for folks who enjoy out exploring the outdoors stay

570
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: but are unfamiliar with it when you are genuinely out

571
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: in the wild and you don't have you don't have

572
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: a safety net system or something. A broken ankle or

573
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: something would feel like a small injury in civilization can

574
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: be fatal and can be very quickly. So, uh, for

575
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: we it's in our mind, folks, it's okay to roast

576
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: effort or to parboil him a little bit because he

577
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: made it out. But in this situation already, he has

578
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: survived several things that have in the past spelled doom

579
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: for other explorers. Absolutely, um so, definitely props to him

580
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: for being resourceful and figuring out how to make this

581
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: environment work for him. But there are some choices that

582
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: he makes that are pretty stupid. Uh, not for him

583
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: and his personal safety, but like for like the whole

584
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: gorgeous natural wonder that he was so taken by. Right,

585
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: So he's he's wondering while he's sitting in the springs,

586
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: how he's gonna make fire. Oh, I thought you were

587
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: going to say, how much are these springs worth? He's

588
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: tax assessing, he's always tax assessing. He's wondering how he's

589
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 1: going to make a fire, and he's thinking about all

590
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: the ways to make fire rubbing sticks together. Maybe he

591
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: wasn't so good at that one. Have you guys, ever

592
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: done Yes, you've done that. It's a paint in the ass.

593
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: Just take a lighter with you, or a fire flint

594
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 1: block or something, you know, a twisted fire star the Prodigy,

595
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 1: remember that spiky hair. Guys, I'm the Oh my god. Okay,

596
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: so we'll get to we'll get to that part that's

597
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: extremely important for the story really quickly. Going to have

598
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,720
Speaker 1: to point out that we really should take more advance

599
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: of the fact they're in the same room to sing together,

600
00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: because over soon it's impossible to do because delay you're right,

601
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: and when you're right, you're right. So this this moment

602
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: here when he's trying to figure out how to make

603
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: a fire, this is a a tremendously profound moment for him,

604
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: and it reminded me about the Jack London story, Like

605
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 1: I think it's to build a fire, to make a fire,

606
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: and that is also about a guy who's having a

607
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: very difficult time making a fire and it becomes a

608
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 1: life or death matter. So you know, he he does

609
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: try the sticks together a method which is like friction

610
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: trying to build a spark and again from experience, it

611
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: is possible. It also stinks. Uh if they if you

612
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: are listening, you're in some survival course, and they make

613
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: you do it, they should also say, hey, if you

614
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: have to do this right now, you already messed up.

615
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: You should have had a lighter. But he didn't have

616
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: a lighter, right, he had nothing. He had the opera glass,

617
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 1: and that's where he puts it together. He once the

618
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: sun comes out, he tries it out with the opera glass,

619
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: which I guess ben is what like like half a binocular. Yeah, yeah,

620
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: I believe so. Short, Yeah it is. It's one side

621
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: of a binocular. Some opera glasses are two of them,

622
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: but I think you would just call those opera No,

623
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 1: you would call those opera glasses too, But I think

624
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: you know what, No, A proper pair of opera glasses

625
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: is two and there's a little stick usually that goes

626
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: on them and you hold them with your pinky ouch. Uh,

627
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: you know, so that you can see the tenor do

628
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: his big death scene, you know, from the cheap seats,

629
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: see the relations and and Noel is speaking from authority here, folks.

630
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 1: I hope it's okay if I say this on air,

631
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,439
Speaker 1: but that was once a young drummond boy, right, and

632
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: your mother was an opera scen once an opera singer.

633
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: Alway should basically like an aged diva's kind of a

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00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: sunset boulevard type figure, you know. But it's true. We

635
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: have some vintage opera glasses around the house, so I

636
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: think actually what you would be referring to would be

637
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: a spy glass, like a single tiny uh lescope. So

638
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: this he calls it an opera glass, I imagine something.

639
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 1: Probably there's no photos or any and I don't think

640
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 1: it's there. There are like nine illustrations with the article,

641
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: but I don't believe that the opera glass is illustrated

642
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: in any of them, so I don't know if it was.

643
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 1: He always refers to my lens, Okay, so it's probably

644
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 1: it's maybe not binocular. It's probably some some smaller magnifying thing,

645
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: like a like a tiny telescope, like a tiny telescope. Yeah, yeah,

646
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: like a microscope. And so this is yes, there we are,

647
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: and so he has uh, he desperately needs fire. One

648
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: cannot live on raw thistles for the rest of their lives, right,

649
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: But that's a question he's quarreling with how does how

650
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: does he begin putting this together? He said, he puts

651
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: it together. It's got away for the sun to come out.

652
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: The sun comes out. He does the old like I

653
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: would never condone this, but like a frying frying the

654
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: ants kind of trick, you know, you get the light

655
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: and you concentrated, you know, you put the broad end

656
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: towards the sun and the narrow end towards whatever you're

657
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: trying to set a flame. And it's a really lovely moment.

658
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: Actually sees the little you know, the little bit of

659
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: bark in his fingers, the little little smoke curl from it,

660
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 1: and he says to himself in that moment, he says,

661
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: I will not despair. Yes, yeah, that's and that is

662
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 1: a powerful, primal thing, you know, because that's one of

663
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Speaker 1: the that that is I think one of the first

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Speaker 1: big moments where he is sort of exerting human ingenuity

665
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: over the wilderness and all the other things are things

666
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: where he's barely scraping by in response to a disaster,

667
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: right like I can eat these I can eat these weeds.

668
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 1: That'll work. Oh, I'll I'll hide from the mountain lion

669
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: who I'll run from the storm. I'll try not to

670
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 1: boil alive. And so this is one of the times

671
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: where he starts taking more active control of the situation.

672
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: I would argue, but if you are in that moment

673
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: and we've had you know, folks listening today, you may

674
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: have found yourself lost in the woods, uh, and you

675
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 1: know that there can be that gut sinking moment when

676
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: you're thinking, oh, how how do I get get out

677
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 1: of here? And so he has already passed that moment.

678
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: And when he's making fire, there's something Promethean about it.

679
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: To him, it's in his mind. It's a light at

680
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: the end of the tunnel. I would say, I think

681
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: that's absolutely it. I mean, it's you know, it's very human.

682
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: He's yeah, harnessed this power. You know, he's he's created

683
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: something and he's taking charge of his own destiny. And

684
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: yet then there's kind of a like kind of moment

685
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: and the first act on a high note, he's only

686
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: like eleven days in or whatever. Uh, that spark, you know,

687
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: eventually becomes a roaring flame that then you know, uh,

688
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: Smoky the bear would not approve it spreads. So he's

689
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 1: sleeping on a beach one night he's made it down

690
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: to a Yellowstone Lake some days later, and he's made

691
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: a nice fire on the beach. He's actually lost his

692
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: slipper that night, I think, and he's like three traumatic

693
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: thing looking for the slipper. Have you seen the Pine

694
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: Barrens episode of The Sopranos. You haven't seen. It's a

695
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: classic ep standal in episode where Polly and Christopher get

696
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: lost in the Pine Barrens, which is this this rugged

697
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: area of New Jersey where notoriously people go to buried bodies,

698
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: and Polly loses his shoe at one point. It becomes

699
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: a real bone of contention between the two gangsters, directly

700
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 1: inspired from thirty seven Days Apparel. I'm calling it. It's

701
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: in the public domain, so it's it's this is more

702
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 1: of a loafer that Polly loses. This is a slipper,

703
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: it's a it's a sandal. He's made his boots in

704
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: his sandals, and Ben and I talked about that a

705
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: lot when we really haven't been able to figure out.

706
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: He cuts his the counter of his boots off and

707
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: turns him into a passable pair of slippers, and he

708
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: calls them slippers. He does, but it's cold, and he's

709
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: all he's doing is walking right mountains. So we couldn't

710
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: figure that out, Like, wouldn't you want the ankles support,

711
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: You want the ankle support, you want the coverage, you know. Yeah,

712
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: So if anyone's got uh insight into that, um right

713
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: to Jonathan Strickland. Yes, I'm sure that's not the joke

714
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: you guys use anymore. Those addresses are still active, Yeah,

715
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: right to our complaint department, which is Jonathan Strickland house

716
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: stuff works dot com. All right, I wasn't too far off.

717
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: He nailed it twenty four hours a day, seven days

718
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 1: a week. So anyways, he finds his slipper and he's

719
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: got great relief, and he lays down the beach next

720
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: to this big fire and he mellows out and he

721
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: listens to the dash and roar of the way, and

722
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: then he wakes up and his fin he's on fire.

723
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: He yeah, his fire has gotten totally picked up by

724
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: the wind and his and his his hair is seemed

725
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 1: closer than a barber would have trimmed it as running

726
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: away from the beach and and and and into higher elevation.

727
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: And then he gets gets out there and takes a beat.

728
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: It stands on this like crest and watches this fire

729
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: turned into a giant forest fire, a conflagration, right, that's

730
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: the name for it. Honestly, that's some of the most

731
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: beautiful writing in the whole piece, when he's talking about

732
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:37,280
Speaker 1: the grandeur of the burning forests surpasses all description. Uh,

733
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 1: it's it's great in in the in the tenor of

734
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: Ben Bolan. Oh geez, you got us up with these

735
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: and the And also he does something really really interesting

736
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: in the writing here. Uh, Lovecraft does this too, and

737
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: he's like, the grand deur exceeds all description, as you said,

738
00:42:52,440 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 1: and then he describes let's end on that pivotal note

739
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 1: for now. As far as the course of our story,

740
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: Uh no, I think you know you raised a really

741
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: good point off air. We wanted to give you some

742
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: highlights and some contexts. We're not going to tell you

743
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: the whole thing. Well yeah, I mean, even though Alex

744
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: said off Mike before we started recording, the really hard

745
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: to spoil this thing. In terms of the ending, we

746
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: do know that the guy is rescued, but there are

747
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: more adventures and misadventures to uh, to be heard if

748
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: you listen to the full episode. But again, it really

749
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: is all about the full experience and hearing it in

750
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: efforts own words. But Alex, you know when you're doing

751
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: something like this and in an ephemeral in general, I

752
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: mean like a lot of the audio you're mining is

753
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: like from found audio, found sound like different you know,

754
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: public domain sites on the internet. Uh, and you know,

755
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: don't no need to reveal your sources. I know that

756
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: stuff is very uh, it's very hush hush, and I

757
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: totally get it. But what's your approach for I don't know,

758
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: building a sonic capitually this. I know you have a

759
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: lot of help from folks like Max and Trevor, but

760
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: I mean the whole thing was your vision. The first

761
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: season was largely like you doing all this stuff and

762
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: peak behind the curtain, like you and I like mess

763
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: with music and play music together, and I think we're

764
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: both like super audio nerds. And how do you bring

765
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: that love of sonics to an audio show like this

766
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: that's ultimately about storytelling? Yeah? I mean it's sort of

767
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: different for every episode, right, I mean we usually do

768
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: uh it's mostly nonfiction history, so so often it's it's

769
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 1: an interview that we've started with and we've cut down

770
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 1: an interview, but we've done these sort of scored audiobook

771
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,879
Speaker 1: things before. Um the difference but this one was that, yeah,

772
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: there wasn't really a really great audio book out there

773
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 1: already of it, unlike Libervox or anything, which is a

774
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 1: free public domain audiobook site. Um. So a like, the

775
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 1: first thing was finding an actor that could pull it off.

776
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: Because while it's well, it's really beautiful writing, and like

777
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: you called out, it's got all kinds of very interesting phrases,

778
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: it is not the kind of thing that you could

779
00:44:55,320 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: just hand to anybody. Uh, somebody with a lot of

780
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: experience talking into a microphone and able to take on

781
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:09,280
Speaker 1: some of these long phrases and clauses and twisting sentences

782
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: and was on vacation and I think Jonathan Strickland was

783
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: deported called everybody else. Yes, yeah, Ben, your self deprecation

784
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: is killing me. You absolutely are the man for the job.

785
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: You have a certain gravitas to your delivery, Ben, I

786
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: mean because at first you can kind of feel the

787
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: guy's deteriorating mental state with your delivery. You the progression,

788
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: the way you kind of lose hope almost like in

789
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: the sound of your voice. It's very well done. Uh,

790
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: and no more compliments from here. On now, I promise,

791
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: but it's true. I mean, Alex makes a good point.

792
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: It really is about casting because the words are already

793
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: there on the page. But it's like one thing to

794
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: read something in your mind on a page, another thing

795
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: to actually say it out loud and have it like

796
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 1: land right. In all since Therity, it was the most

797
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: important thing for Truman to feel human so you could

798
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: sympathize with him, so it didn't just feel like I

799
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: don't know a block of old time aide text. And

800
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: that's something that's tough too because in these in these adaptations,

801
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: you know, this guy is writing before the rise of radio, right,

802
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: he's writing before the rise of a spoiler podcasting, right.

803
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: So so people right very differently back then. They take

804
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: their time with sentences, you know, they they have maybe

805
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 1: not to the extent of like James Joyce or Henry James,

806
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: but they do. They do tend to wind and sort

807
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: of wind on at the point where you know, you

808
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: realize half a pages passed, and so you did a

809
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: lot of work. Um, you and your team where you're saying, hey,

810
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: we want to stay true to this story, but we

811
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: also need to make sure that it is a viable

812
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: understandable story for people to experience. Did you have did

813
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: you have moments where you found yourself really in the

814
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: trenches of like, Okay, Truman, I know what, I know

815
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: what you're trying to say, buddy. How difficult was it

816
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: to sort of walk the line on the adaptation of

817
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 1: the text here? I uh, I went through the whole

818
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: story probably a dozen times or more editing it. I

819
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: really didn't change any of his phrasing or his words,

820
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: but I did just kind of cut it for a

821
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: little bit for a content and a little bit just

822
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 1: mostly for time to try and clarify and make it

823
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: something that would fit like an hour. So it's not

824
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: the complete unabridged text, it's very it's it's pretty close, um,

825
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 1: and we've got the unabridged text everywhere, but it's a

826
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: little bit more kind of clarified than that. Honestly, I

827
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: sort of sweated every every line of that, you know,

828
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: because I just want, you know, the larger project for

829
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: me here is right. It's in a really incredible story.

830
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: It's incredible that it's a firsthand account. It's incredible that

831
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 1: the guy survived, and I worried that things like this.

832
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: I'm glad it's did it eyes. I'm glad it's out

833
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: there that it's got you know, some articles and stuff

834
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: about it online. But I worry that things like that,

835
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: you know, will become irrelevant and maybe get completely lost.

836
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: And it's it's a very real possibility. It's something that

837
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: you and your team have already seen in the course

838
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: of UH, in the course of different episodes of Ephemeral,

839
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: you know, the two part series on video stores I

840
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: think was very well done. And one one thing that

841
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: really I think that Ephemeral really speaks to and one

842
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: reason that no not to speak for you, but one

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Speaker 1: reason I think we're both big fans is because each

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Speaker 1: of these episodes of this show have so much time

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Speaker 1: and care putting into them. UH. And sometimes I get

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Speaker 1: the feeling like, is is Alex out here finding a

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Speaker 1: story that doesn't want to be found or is he

848
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Speaker 1: racing some sort of ticking clock, you know, a to

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Speaker 1: which point the people who could have told you this

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Speaker 1: story are gone, right and the p and that's something

851
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: you probably run into. Or are you reaching a point

852
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Speaker 1: where the only record of this story was a physical

853
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Speaker 1: record that's never been digitized and will it go away?

854
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Speaker 1: You know how what disaster will strike next. So you know,

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Speaker 1: with that in mind, I do actually have a question here.

856
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Speaker 1: So with that in mind, you could just tell many

857
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Speaker 1: nice things about this is a great podcast. Well this

858
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Speaker 1: is stuff Nolan I talked about too. But with that

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Speaker 1: in mind, one of the questions I know we had

860
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Speaker 1: before was what motivates you and Trevor and Max to

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Speaker 1: pick a specific story, Like do you have a list

862
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Speaker 1: of sort of draft picks and then you narrow it down,

863
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Speaker 1: or do you do you get struck with the Eureka

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Speaker 1: moment and say like, uh, holy smokes, Stephen Foster he

865
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Speaker 1: had he had a Mariachi phase or something like that.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't think just for the record, I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's the next episode, but I'm not gonna spoil that. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, they come from different from different ways, you know,

869
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Speaker 1: like sometimes it is sort of a larger I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean to answer you, to really answer your question, Max,

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Speaker 1: Trevor and I have a million ideas. We have a

872
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Speaker 1: very long list of ideas that we meet on all

873
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Speaker 1: the time and are always kind of and we sort

874
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Speaker 1: of all have our own approaches to, uh to tackling that.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it is kind of a larger cultural thing like um,

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Speaker 1: video stores like you mentioned, which is all the work

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Speaker 1: of Trevor Young. Trevor took August and made two fabulous

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Speaker 1: episodes on video stores UM and the sort of rise fall,

879
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: decline and how they really really changed our relationship with

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Speaker 1: media in this world. UM. So it's like, all right,

881
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Speaker 1: well that's a cool idea. Go find the people who

882
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Speaker 1: can talk about it. Found a guy named Dan Herbert

883
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Speaker 1: who was just on the CUSP was like around I

884
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Speaker 1: think he took himself on a road trip. Um. He's

885
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Speaker 1: a Universe a student, Michigan professor, and he took himself

886
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Speaker 1: on a road trip and drove all around the country

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Speaker 1: and tape recorded him going to video stores and just

888
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Speaker 1: talking to people, talking to someone in Cheyenne or whatever.

889
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Speaker 1: And it's like, oh, yeah, it's what's a tanning salon

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Speaker 1: and a video store and you know he's just getting

891
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Speaker 1: all these and some people trying to sell him their

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Speaker 1: video stores and stuff on the spot and um. And

893
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Speaker 1: then sometimes it's like this like the thirty seven Days

894
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Speaker 1: one where you find this one record, whether that's a recording, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, audio recording or video or an image or

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00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 1: an essay like this is or a manuscript that's just

897
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Speaker 1: a one of a kind that doesn't you know, it's

898
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Speaker 1: just nothing else quite like it. It's like, okay, that's

899
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Speaker 1: a thing that can we breathe some new life into this,

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Speaker 1: like can we put this in whatever, you know, whatever

901
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: little influence that we have, like back on the radar

902
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 1: of the public consciousness. And it's not an easy process.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like right. I mean, first of all, you

904
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: even identifying those gems squires a real curatorial eye and

905
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: a fascination with this kind of stuff. That's sort of

906
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 1: the mission of the whole show. The idea of you know,

907
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: returning things that maybe were lost to history or lost

908
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: to technology even you know, like the idea of ephemera

909
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 1: often has to do with outmoded technology or things that

910
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Speaker 1: are no longer as easy to play anymore, like things

911
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: like you know, seventy eight's or you know, old eight

912
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,720
Speaker 1: tracks or things like that, or things that were written

913
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: and maybe never you know archive and things like that.

914
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: So I think it's awesome what you're doing. It really

915
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Speaker 1: is almost like a an Internet archive kind of project.

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00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: And big fan of the show and I think anyone

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Speaker 1: that likes the show absolutely like it. As well. Yes,

918
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: but you still have to listen to our show. Please

919
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 1: please just my girlfriend. My girlfriend, by the way, doesn't

920
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: listen to our show. Um. She just told me the

921
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:55,720
Speaker 1: other day that she started listening to Ephemeral and I'm like,

922
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: she did text me some nice words about it. She

923
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: really likes it. Well, maybe to listen to the one.

924
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Speaker 1: Yeah maybe so, maybe so uh wump wump. But man, Alex,

925
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us, Thanks for having me

926
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Speaker 1: and and and really it's it's worth listening for the

927
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: vocal performance as if nothing else. And no, you're you're

928
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: also in there as a hunter. He spent his life

929
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Speaker 1: among the wilderness. And I will not spoil that, but

930
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 1: you have a really great moment right at the end

931
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 1: of the episode. Nailed it. Yes, we've come for you,

932
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: you know after after that about okay, I won't won't

933
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Speaker 1: spoil it, but involves some kind of gross, doesn't it.

934
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Speaker 1: It's a it's a little gross. It's maybe one of

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Speaker 1: the grosser parts. Yeah, it's well intentioned, though we can't

936
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Speaker 1: we can't keep spoiling. Dude. It's a miracle basically, Yes, Okay,

937
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: let's what else is a miracle? Is? Is you ridiculous historians,

938
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,919
Speaker 1: each and every one of you God's miracles to podcast them. Yes,

939
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 1: thank you so much, folks. Thank you Alex Williams for

940
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: hanging out before we head off into the wilds of

941
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 1: our own. Could you tell everybody where to find Ephemeral

942
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,720
Speaker 1: where to learn more about your work, because you don't

943
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: just do ephemeral, which is really weird and amazing to

944
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 1: me that you do other stuff as well. I'm totally

945
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: lost right now, get it? Yes? Um, do you want

946
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: to know where to find ephemeral dot show or on

947
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 1: all the social things at ephemeral show? And uh, what

948
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: you want to talk about other things that I work on? Yeah? Yeah,

949
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: what are we doing right now? Well, we've got a

950
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: new season of Thirteen Days of Halloween coming out on

951
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: the nineteenth of October and that'll run day day or

952
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 1: a day for thirteen days. I will not spoil anything

953
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: about that, but because I don't want to not a spoiler.

954
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: But it is another kind of immersive storytelling podcast with

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Speaker 1: three D audio touches, I believe. Yeah, the first season

956
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: featured Gig and Michael Key. It's all one binural three

957
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Speaker 1: D audio. It's like a you know, listener to question

958
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Speaker 1: advised comes from Blumhouse and Aaron Manky and and us

959
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: here at I Heeart and then uh, you and the

960
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: one and only Mr Max Williams have some future episodes

961
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:15,720
Speaker 1: of Ephemeral coming out, which we said we wouldn't spoil, right,

962
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: it's up to you, Max. No, no, I've been working

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00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: on this episode for a good minute now, and I

964
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 1: don't know it's it's a really intriguing story we were

965
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: talking about before off off Mike and Ben's like, oh

966
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: my god, that's my favorite movie. So you know, it

967
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: should become an oppeginning October. It's gonna be a lot

968
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 1: of fun to listen to some mystery and that, and

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00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,399
Speaker 1: it is also a bit HALLOWEENI yes, uh, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: I wonder what Ben's favorite movie is. You let to

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Speaker 1: tun into a phemeral to find out. You guys are

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Speaker 1: boxing me in all right, Well, do check it out.

973
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: Do check out all of the shows that are available

974
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 1: on the Ephemeral website. You can follow them to get

975
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,720
Speaker 1: a peek behind the scenes on the various social needs

976
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:59,399
Speaker 1: of choice. You can also follow Ridiculous History and check

977
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: this out in old People can follow us not just

978
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 1: as a show, but as individuals. That's true. You can

979
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: find me at how now Noel Brown on Instagram exclusively

980
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:12,240
Speaker 1: mess that Twitter nonsense. I'm a Twitter lurker at best.

981
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 1: And I will not reveal your name because you had

982
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: we had talked about it. Okay, you know I don't

983
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: remember what it is, so how do I know and

984
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Speaker 1: you don't? Okay, So you can find me at ben

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Speaker 1: Bulling bow l a N on Instagram. Uh, and you

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00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: can find me at Ben bull In h s W

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Speaker 1: on Twitter. Thanks as always to our long suffering nemesses.

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland a k. The quiztions he suffering, he makes

989
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Speaker 1: us suffering. Yes he's not. He's not the sufferer. He's

990
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Speaker 1: the deliverer of suffering. Yes. In the next studio. Yeah,

991
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 1: he has to be with himself all the time. He's

992
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: like he's like pinhead for He's the kind of guy

993
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Speaker 1: you summoned with like a weird demon cube. You know,

994
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Speaker 1: I love him. I'm missing let missing. Yeah, he's going

995
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: to kill us for that out you're but we've got

996
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 1: some other folks to think, right, Well, let me sure do.

997
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: Max Williams, super producer Extordan You probably already thinks that.

998
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 1: But he gets a Second, thanks for me. This is

999
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: sort of a thing we do. We're like big on

1000
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: thinking people. Uh, let's see Christoph Roscio is here in spirit.

1001
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: He's Jeff Cote wherever she may roam. Um Alex Williams

1002
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: to compose our theme. Second things for a different thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's you're hearing it right now. Don't just to spend

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Speaker 1: your just happening happening right now. We'll see you next time, folks.

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Speaker 1: For more podcasts from my Heart Radio, visit the I

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