WEBVTT - Cold Blooded 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:03.920 The cheerleaders at a gym in Buffalo have been recording 0:00:03.960 --> 0:00:09.240 themselves to make a new documentary where the news reporters 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:13.160 because one year ago a mass shooting changed their lives. 0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:15.400 He just walked around shot all the black people. The 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:18.440 cheer squad, most of whom are black, had to figure 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:21.160 out how to go on and how to compete. I 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:23.840 wanted to win for them more than anything this season. 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:28.640 Listen to the embedded podcast from NPR within the iHeartRadio app, 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:32.720 or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Carol Fisher and 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:36.800 I'm hosting a podcast called The Girlfriends. It's Las Vegas, 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:40.200 it's the nineteen nineties, and it is time to find 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:44.560 a husband. There were four Jewish doctors who were felt 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:48.040 to be eligible bachelors. One of them was of the 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:53.239 Baron bat On paper he was perfect, but in reality, 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:58.080 this guy's a wacko. He shouted to the point went unconscious. 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:00.560 I would call him and I would say, I know 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:03.080 you killed my sister. You can listen to The girl 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:07.440 Friends on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:10.479 get your podcasts. This is the story of a man 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:15.000 who's fascinated me. His name was Sweet Daddy Grace, and 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:18.319 that's a name you don't forget. He was a visionary 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:21.399 who built a fortune as a black man during Jim 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:25.800 Crow during the Depression, but today not many people know 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:28.920 about him. The race sort of wiped out, and I 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:33.000 wonder if this was done intentionally. Listen to Sweet Daddy 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:36.720 Grace on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:41.120 get your podcasts. I'm will daily. For years I've been 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:43.880 on the road playing shows and seeing America through live music. 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:46.360 This summer, I'll hit the stage. Who Season two of 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:51.000 Sound of Our Town ten cities twelve episodes every other Thursday, 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:53.680 we explore the live music venues and culture of a 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:57.000 new American city. With each new episode, our tour continues 0:01:57.000 --> 0:01:58.520 into the kind of venues you want to get to 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:03.200 when you landed in Detroit, Providence, Denver, or Seattle. Listen 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:06.560 to Sound of Our Town on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:12.960 or wherever you get your podcasts. You know everybody wants 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:16.320 to paint this idyllic picture of small town America. Well, 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:19.360 there's a CD underside to that. And if you don't 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:22.280 have anybody watching, the watchman keeping an eye on things, 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:26.280 keeping people accountable. Things can get out of control. There's 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:30.560 over twenty I'm solved homicides in Pike County. I want 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:33.440 the community to realize this can happen to their family. 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:42.680 This is the piked In massacre returned to Pike County 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:50.600 Season three, Episode nine, Cold Blooded. I'm Courtney Armstrong, a 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:54.720 television producer at Katie Studios with Stephanie Lidacker and Jeff Shane. 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:58.400 Over the last two seasons, we've covered a few local 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:02.680 stories that we believed were unrelated to the massacre. Turns 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:07.440 out we may have been mistaken. This episode is dedicated 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:10.000 to tying up the loose ends of these stories that 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:14.760 have new endings or new developments. We're also exploring the 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:17.760 intersection between many of the main players who also have 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:23.640 ties to the Roden murders. The connections are undeniable. The 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:27.520 Roden murders of April twenty sixteen, earth shattering as they were, 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:30.639 have pushed law enforcement in southern Ohio to the limit. 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:35.960 It's left their relatively small ranks hyper extended as a result. 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:39.320 As local cold case advocates like Angie Montgomery point out, 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:44.680 many other local homicides have gone ignored. In fact, there 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.520 are at least nine other murder cases in Pike County 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:50.400 dating back to two thousand that have iced over without 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:55.040 resolution or even charges issued. In light of the county's 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:58.640 population of only fifty eight thousand, this number is staggering. 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:05.360 Tracy Evans won the election, and he called me in 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:08.640 January when he went into office and told me that 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:10.560 he was going to try his best with the case 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:13.880 and to do the best he could with it. He 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:16.680 got in contact with the BCI and they were working 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:21.640 on some things. Speaking as Angie Montgomery, a piked and 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:25.880 mother of four and spiritual adviser. Once her kids were grown, 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:28.559 Angie decided to dedicate her life to being a cold 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:33.680 case advocate. Here she is talking about Sheriff Tracy D. Evans, 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:36.640 who took over the Pike County Sheriff's office in twenty twenty. 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:41.000 This was after Sheriff Charles Reader, who spearheaded the Road 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:46.760 and Investigation, pled guilty to corruption charges. Reader is currently 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:50.520 facing a three year sentence at the Toledo Correctional Facility. 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:55.799 Here's Stephanie and Jeff. Just as a reminder, Sheriff Charlie 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:58.440 Reader was the sheriff at the time of the Road 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:03.360 and murders, and he's ever been directly associated with the murders, 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:07.400 but he, alongside former DA Mike DeWine, we're very public 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:10.560 talking about it at the time, and after a very 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:16.920 thorough investigation, Reader agreed to be suspended in July twenty nineteen, 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:21.520 and shortly after was indicted on eighteen counts that included 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:26.800 also racketeering. Beloved Sheriff Charlie Reader was accused of stealing 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:30.160 more than fourteen thousand dollars from the sheriff's office and 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:33.240 seized drug money. What he would do was go into 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:36.679 these evidence envelopes that were in his possession, take out money, 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:39.120 go gamble with it, and then put the money back 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:42.840 before anyone noticed, and allegedly he repeated this process numerous 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:46.800 times before anyone even caught on. In September twenty twenty, 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:49.960 Reader pled guilty to two counts of theft, one count 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:52.839 of tampering with evidence, and then also one count of 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:58.360 conflict of interest. Another matter that doesn't necessarily relate to this, 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:02.880 but is just another strike against Sheriff Reader's morality is 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:05.599 the story from twenty twenty one that he was sued 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:08.800 by Tony officials over collecting salary and benefits that they 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:11.800 say he improperly collected while he was suspended as they 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:14.440 were investigating all this other stuff that he had done. 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:17.799 According to the lawsuit, Charlie Reader collected over one hundred 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:20.440 and twenty thousand dollars from the city. It's not clear 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:23.599 the exact status of this litigation, but it is just 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:32.320 another strike against the sheriff. Here again, Angie Montgomery, we 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:35.560 had a meeting with Tracy Evans in June, myself and 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:39.360 Curtis smother and Jenny sisters, and he told us that 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:43.320 Jeff the BTI decided not to assist with the case, 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:45.160 that he was going to wash his hands with them. 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:52.279 It's important to note that this is Angie Montgomery's recollection 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:55.960 of events. We've reached out to Sheriff Tracy Evans for 0:06:56.040 --> 0:07:00.599 comment but did not receive a response. The Curtis and 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:04.560 Jenny Angie is referring to are her cousin Curtis Francis 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:08.920 and his fiance Jennifer Burgett. The pair were found dead 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:11.239 in their bed on December ninth, two thousand and six, 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:14.240 in their home at one hundred and twenty four Hopper 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:20.200 Road in Piketon. Thirty four year old Curtis and thirty 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:23.720 year old Jennifer were each at once while asleep. The 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:28.840 killings became known as the Hopper Road murders. According to Angie, 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:31.960 Curtis and his fiance Jennifer were excited to get married. 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:35.560 They both loved hunting and fishing, and Chris was a 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:39.600 jovial guy known for playing practical jokes. Curtis had just 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:44.000 had shoulder replacement surgery and had a supply of pain medications, 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:46.640 so one early theory was that the killers were after 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:50.960 his pills. In the sixteen years since the murders, the 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:53.760 case has been opened and closed several times without a 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:59.640 single arrest. It's currently a cold case. Sheriff Evans, who 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:03.320 during his campaign promised voters to improve resources for victims, 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:10.360 has deflected Angie's passionate please to reopen the case. He 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:13.360 was done with it. Basically, there was nothing more they 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:14.960 could do that we would have to turn to the 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:17.440 media if we wanted to get help with the case, 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:20.560 which was kind of heartbreaking, because you know, he gets 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:23.640 elected and tells us that he's going to do everything 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:26.600 he can, but then he's flipping it around and saying, 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:28.400 if the BCI does that helped him. I'm just going 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:30.320 to wash my hands with it, so you kind of 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:33.160 contradict him what she told me. Kind he gave us 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:35.360 like salt hope, like this guy's really going to dig 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:39.240 into it and do something, and turns around and says 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:41.280 if the BCI doesn't do anything, he's not going to 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:43.400 do anything. And he also said that he didn't want 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:46.520 kIPS called into the sheriff's tournament, which I thought was 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:54.920 very odd. The Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation or BCI, 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:59.959 has offered no new support. Here's investigative reporter and journal 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:05.160 is a professor, James Pilcher. Unfortunately, the Francis and Burgette 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:07.880 case has been ruled a cold case now by both 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:10.720 of the Pike prosecutor in the Ohio Attorney General's office. 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:14.080 That happened about two years ago, so now it's on 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:18.000 the shelf. There's no answers and unless family members can 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:20.880 come forwards new evidence, or if something just pops up 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:22.840 or somebody walks in off the street and says I 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:25.360 did it, you know, that's pretty much what's gonna happen 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:30.840 for anything to move on this case. For Angie, this 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:33.400 case has been a long and frustrating series of missed 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:39.040 opportunities and snaffoos. In twenty sixteen, investigators discovered a hidden 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:42.480 well at three twenty four win Road, five minutes from 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:46.720 Hopper Road. This well contained a saddle gun, a lever 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:51.040 action eighteen shot that is what Curtis and Jenny were 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:54.960 killed with. There was also a pistol sunk in the 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:59.760 swampy well, but according to reports, in the process of 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:02.240 trying to flood the evidence out of the well, the 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:05.360 fire department blew an eighty foothole in the well and 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:08.680 wash the guns away. And then there was the issue 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:14.199 of the lost nine one one call. Here again, Angie Montgomery, 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:17.040 and then they tell me that they lost a nine 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:23.120 one one call. They're not very efficient with things. You 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:25.440 would think that that would be one of the main 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:28.640 things you would keep a hold of in a double homicide. 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:32.800 So it kind of worried me that they did turn 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:34.840 everything over that they have to the BCI to bc 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:37.120 I light look at it and faceful, there isn't anything 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:39.720 here we can walk with. That's where it falls back 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:42.640 on all these cases, all these cases that are unsolved, 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:46.800 it's the same thing. It's repetitive. All families I talked to. 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:49.480 They go through the same thing they go through, which 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:52.520 is they lost this or they don't have this, And 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:56.040 why doesn't a sheriff want keeps cone into the sheriff's office. 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:59.960 You know you got twelve documented until homicides in your account. 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:04.959 Why aren't you asking the public for help for these cases? 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:09.120 It's like they're just shoved to the side. That's how 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:15.120 the case has become cold. Angie is still holding out 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:17.839 hope that the BCI will reopen the cold case and 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:21.440 look at it with fresh eyes. It's actually their cold 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:24.679 Case unit, which is through the Ohio Attorney General's Office, 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:27.880 and they are amazing. They just solved a forty seven 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:32.040 year old homicide. They're really good. So if they do 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:36.440 take it on and assist, I think that will get 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:39.640 an arrest because they're good at what they do. But 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:43.360 I'm also worried about what all Pike County has given them. 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:49.720 What ultimately stands in the way of the Francis case 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:56.240 finding resolution. Is it incompetence, apathy like the killer behind 0:11:56.320 --> 0:12:03.200 this awful crime. It remains a mystery. I've got someone 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:05.400 in curtain Junie's case that gave a statement back in 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:08.360 two thousand and six when it happened, and he was 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:11.559 the last person to see Kurs and Jennifer alive, and 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:13.640 he went to the Sheriff's office and gave him a 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:17.160 statement that he was there, and those people haven't They 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:20.040 never called him back, They never followed up with him. 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:23.960 And I had him go again and make another statement 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:28.880 with mister Evans, the new sheriff and turning in and 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:31.520 I asked him every day and they have not called him. 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:35.120 They have not followed up with him. So to me, 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:41.960 that makes me think that they don't care, period, because 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:43.880 that's a pretty big guils someone saying they were the 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:46.160 last person to see two people alive that were murdered, 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:48.520 and you're not going to call him back and talk 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:53.040 to him. It's eerie the way things are done around here. 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:58.480 We don't know where the Francis case will go, but 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:02.040 there's yet another piken A case, this one involving a 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:05.160 young man named Jacob Lansing that has had its own 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:10.360 investigative issues. In January of twenty eighteen, piked In prosecutors 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:17.280 thought they had their man. Paul Detti, thirty one, was 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:19.600 all set to face trial and in Pike County Common 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:23.439 Pleas court charged with aggravated murder for the twenty twelve 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:28.320 death of Jacob Lansing, but then prosecutors suddenly reverse course. 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:33.080 Newly uncovered evidence exonerated Debty, and the death penalty case 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:37.640 was dismissed. Pike County Prosecutor Rob Junk, who's overseeing the 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:40.319 road in trials, described this case as one of the 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:44.680 weirdest he'd ever seen. On October twenty seventh, twenty twelve, 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:48.040 Jacob Lansing's body was found underneath the vehicle at his 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:53.439 River Road home. Authorities thought it was an unfortunate accident 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:55.800 in which the suv the twenty five year old had 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:58.800 been working fell on him, but his mother, Maureen, was 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:04.040 incredulous and took action. The fact that Jacob wasn't dressed 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:06.679 in his usual coveralls while working on his car did 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:11.959 not wash here again, Stephanie and Jeff. Rob Junk is 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:15.480 one of the main prosecutors against the Wagoners, and as 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:18.080 we've come to learn over the years, he was involved 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:21.160 with both Reader brothers. All of these names kind of 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:23.840 keep coming back to each other. He had a very 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:28.200 public social media spat with Sheriff Charlie Reader, where Sheriff 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:31.440 Reader was threatening to take Rob Junk down, or, as 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:34.560 he put it, take the quote unquote Junk out. It 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:36.680 turns out it was Rob Junk who would end up 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:39.760 being an integral part in getting both Charlie and Brian 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:43.160 Reader removed from their posts. A lot of people have 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:46.840 theorized that the main reason that Brian Reader was removed 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:56.880 from office was because of his handling of the lancing case. However, 0:14:57.120 --> 0:15:00.120 it's been reported on that Brian Reader was terminated for 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:04.120 attendance records and sick time. This is according to Pike 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:09.720 County Commissioner Blaine Beakman. As for Rob Junk in January 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:12.520 of twenty nineteen, he noted that his office as an 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:16.200 out will employer, and he can quote let somebody go 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:19.280 if I don't like the color of their socks. Here 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:23.880 again are Montgomery. He never worked on his fickle in 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:28.080 his sport twelve. That's what was bug and her there 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:30.960 were the package cigarettes beside him, and he didn't smoke. 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:35.120 So she got a private investigator, did it behind the 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:38.240 CoP's back, and got her own evidence and took all 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:41.120 of her evidence into Rob Junk, and Rob said, well, 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:45.360 we'll look at it. This was a rare instance where 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:47.880 an insistent family member was able to move the dial 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:52.360 with the prosecutor's office. Jacob's mom, Marine never believed that 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:56.080 his death was an accident. Now finally, in late twenty 0:15:56.120 --> 0:15:59.880 sixteen early twenty seventeen, she got Brian Reader to listen. 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:03.000 Ryan was the chief investigator at the time with the 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:06.000 Pike County Prosecutor's Office that's Rob Junk who is now 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:10.520 part of the prosecution team overseeing the prosecution of the Wagners. 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:14.600 He opened an investigation and even had the body exhumed 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:17.920 and an autopsy perform and that revealed that he had 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:25.000 been beaten and strangled to death. This means that Jacob 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:28.760 Lansing's killer took his dead body, placed it under his suv, 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:32.480 and then precipitously dropped the vehicle to make it look 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:36.480 like Jacob was crushed a freak accident, but based on 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:42.720 the new evidence, the death was ruled a homicide. Bryan 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:45.440 spent months and months following the leads and doing interviews 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:48.920 to find these suspects. Zeran and on a man named 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:52.560 Paul Michael Allan Detty, who we arrested in May of 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:56.160 twenty seventeen, but in January of twenty eighteen, a week 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:59.320 before detty's trials to begin. Rob Junk, who I mentioned 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:02.800 before he was prosecutor, dismissed the case without prejudice and 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:06.960 Debti was released. He cited new evidence that popped up 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:08.960 that affected the case, but he never told us what 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:12.840 that evidence was. A year later, in twenty nineteen, Rob 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:19.080 Young fired Brian Reader. Investigator. Brian Reader, who had been 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:21.960 spearheading the probe, was let go from the prosecutor's office 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:25.560 in twenty nineteen. He is the brother of Charlie Reader, 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:30.920 the disgraced former Pike County sheriff. Apparently Reader's payroll records 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:34.160 and personnel files were under investigation by the state auditor 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:37.919 for some time. Due to Reader's firing and the general 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:42.240 lack of viable leads, the Jacob Lansing case stalled. No 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:47.240 further arrests were made. In November twenty twenty, Jacob's mother, 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:50.920 Maureen Lansing, issued an eight thousand dollars reward for information 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:54.520 about her son's murder. It has yet to be collected. 0:17:57.119 --> 0:17:59.240 We're going to take a break. We'll be back in 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:04.920 a moment. Oh. I'm Carol Fisher, and I'm hosting a 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:08.560 podcast called The girl friends. Back in the nineteen nineties 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:11.160 in Las Vegas, a few of us dated the most 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:17.159 eligible bachelor in town, Bob. He spoke several languages, he 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:22.399 did medical missionary work, and he was Jewish. He was 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:27.119 perfect on paper. But he wasn't. He really wasn't. He 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:31.720 shouted into the point she went unconscious. 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They will take 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:31.560 things away and I can only hope that Dobbs is 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:34.240 that like Pearl Harbor moment, girl, you and I both 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:36.600 know what it took to just get through the day 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:38.960 in New York City and get home in one piece. 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:42.040 And so the fact that we're here and what you've 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:46.280 achieved and what I've achieved, you know, that's momentous. It's 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:49.160 not just sitting around complaining about some bills. The only 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:51.439 reason that you might think, as Chase said, that we're 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:54.840 always miserable is because people are constantly attacking us and 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:57.840 we're constantly noticing it. Listen to The Laverne Cox Show 0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:01.679 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:08.240 your podcast. Be sure to subscribe and share. Hello and 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:11.359 welcome to Bad Manners. This is the podcast that takes 0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:14.760 you inside Britain's stately homes and tells all the tales 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:18.440 the guide books don't. My name is Tom Burton and 0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:22.440 I'll be your host. Britain is riddled with the big houses, 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:27.159 from crumbling castles, massive mansions and stately piles bigger than 0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:30.200 Buckingham Palace. As a comedian, I'm not really bothered about 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:32.399 the facts and figures. I just want the juicy stuff. 0:21:32.480 --> 0:21:34.680 So I'm on a mission to find out the frightening, 0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:38.720 filthy and downright jaw dropping stories of these stately homes 0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:43.640 and the people in them. This podcast ventures deep inside 0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:47.639 some of Britain's most incredible and outrageous buildings to spill 0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:52.600 the tea on the scandalous, scary, shocking and hilarious tales. 0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:56.040 So if you want to get historically horrid, royally rawcus 0:21:56.280 --> 0:21:59.800 and down to dirty, look no further. Listen to Bad 0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:03.440 Man Is on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, well 0:22:03.480 --> 0:22:15.520 wherever you get your podcasts. What happened to Meghan and 0:22:15.600 --> 0:22:19.840 Katie Lancaster. This is the harrowing story of two young 0:22:19.960 --> 0:22:24.280 sisters in law, one missing and one dead. This happened 0:22:24.320 --> 0:22:28.000 in a small town called Portsmouth, Ohio, one hundred miles 0:22:28.040 --> 0:22:31.400 east of Cincinnati. It's a town of twenty thousand people 0:22:31.480 --> 0:22:34.680 on the north bank of the Ohio River. Here again, 0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:39.480 James Pilcher. I believe Meghan Lancaster got involved with some 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:42.960 bad people, like the people that have been thought to 0:22:43.080 --> 0:22:46.480 have killed some women up narrow chill a coffee and 0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:49.639 she got involved in that ring, or whether or not 0:22:49.800 --> 0:22:53.240 she just something went sideways with one of her clients 0:22:53.840 --> 0:22:56.800 or whatever. I think. Meghan is buried somewhere in those 0:22:56.880 --> 0:23:01.120 hills of Sciota County. It's not like Pike County because 0:23:01.119 --> 0:23:03.920 you get down south of Pike County, you start hitting 0:23:04.000 --> 0:23:06.440 where the glaciers came through to create the Ohio River. 0:23:06.800 --> 0:23:09.960 It's very, very, very hilly, and there's all these hollers 0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:13.199 and valleys and woods and forests, and there's a lot 0:23:13.280 --> 0:23:17.200 of places to hide a body. And I think she's 0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:24.359 buried or they dumped her somewhere and she's gone. Meghan Lancaster, 0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:27.399 a mother and former high school softball player, was twenty 0:23:27.440 --> 0:23:30.120 five when she disappeared on the evening of April third, 0:23:30.359 --> 0:23:35.040 twenty thirteen, dressed in jeans and an Ohio State sweatshirt. 0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:38.400 She'd spent the evening with friends. Megan called her mother 0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:40.800 at about seven thirty to say she'd be home soon. 0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:46.120 There was no communication from her after that. Meghan's white 0:23:46.160 --> 0:23:48.679 Mustang was located a few days later at a Rally's 0:23:48.720 --> 0:23:52.560 Hamburger in Portsmouth. Her wallet was found on the front seat. 0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:56.200 She left behind her seven year old son, whose name 0:23:56.280 --> 0:24:00.560 was tattooed on her shoulder. Portsmouth Police detect of Steve 0:24:00.680 --> 0:24:05.040 Brewer spearheaded the missing person's investigation, but no one looked 0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:07.320 for Megan more intensely than her sister in law and 0:24:07.480 --> 0:24:12.040 best friend, Katie Lancaster. Megan had been scraping by as 0:24:12.080 --> 0:24:14.720 a sex worker and had fallen into a life of addiction. 0:24:15.920 --> 0:24:18.480 So the search led Katie into the vast and shadowy 0:24:18.560 --> 0:24:23.679 underworld of sex trafficking and Portsmouth. Undeterred, Katie threw herself 0:24:23.720 --> 0:24:27.639 in defining her sister in law victims. Oudvocate Angie Montgomery, 0:24:27.800 --> 0:24:31.760 who helped Katie and her search efforts, describe Katie's fearlessness 0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:36.200 and determination. Their pursuit began with scouring back page, which 0:24:36.280 --> 0:24:44.240 sex workers often used to advertise their services. When I 0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:46.920 first started to hang on with Katie, we would sit 0:24:47.040 --> 0:24:51.280 for hours with our laptops and go through that website 0:24:51.440 --> 0:24:54.680 back page looking for her. Hours like we would get 0:24:54.720 --> 0:24:58.560 babysitters so we could sit and go through. She would 0:24:58.560 --> 0:25:01.159 send his pictures like Megan's. I remember she said a 0:25:01.200 --> 0:25:04.120 birthmark about her belly buttons. So we would look through 0:25:04.160 --> 0:25:07.119 these pictures of these girls because mostly they would and 0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:09.639 showed her faces and we would look for that birthmark. 0:25:10.040 --> 0:25:15.920 Just hours and hours and hours of doing that. So 0:25:16.080 --> 0:25:17.840 in the beginning I kind of did because she had 0:25:17.880 --> 0:25:19.919 a couple of leaves she sent me a video one 0:25:19.960 --> 0:25:22.840 time of a girl in Columbus on Sullivan Avenue. It 0:25:22.960 --> 0:25:25.520 was a traffic cam that looked a lot like Megan. 0:25:26.760 --> 0:25:28.399 Hey would get in the car. She would get in 0:25:28.480 --> 0:25:30.640 the car and go to strip joints and she would 0:25:30.680 --> 0:25:33.600