Speaker 1: Look Mayer, Oh, I see you my own and look
Speaker 1: over there is that culture. Yes, lost cut Ding Dong
Speaker 1: lostistas calling what I chose to do with my hands
Speaker 1: I was in raised my hands up like a vida
Speaker 1: in our news space.
Speaker 2: I mean very appropriate. We have a Broadbay legend among
Speaker 2: us today. Welcome, welcome.
Speaker 1: Oh, this is when I went to the wrong one
Speaker 1: while I'm finding our footing here and what is essentially
Speaker 1: a NewSpace that really says we're in New York.
Speaker 2: We're next to the Port Authority. Like, it doesn't get
Speaker 2: more New York than this. It's giving Oliver and Company.
Speaker 2: It's giving true New York.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you say, I would say it's given to
Speaker 1: New York. I've been so happy to be here. In fact,
Speaker 1: I was telling Bowan off air, characters from the past,
Speaker 1: characters from the past of the podcast have sort of
Speaker 1: come back into.
Speaker 2: Play, and you better believe it took me two seconds
Speaker 2: to guess who it was and I was correct.
Speaker 1: Yep, y'all Big Bro is back. Last night I met
Speaker 1: up with Big Brother. You met up with him. I
Speaker 1: thought he just like rolled into the chat or something.
Speaker 1: Big Bro came by The Bro rolled through. No, and
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you there was a reason why he's
Speaker 1: a legendary man on this podcast. That man. So basically,
Speaker 1: for those of you who are joining last College later
Speaker 1: in life, we went to we were in.
Speaker 2: Fire Island a few years ago and then Matt I
Speaker 2: was not there for it. I got there a couple
Speaker 2: of days late. Matt comes back home from a night
Speaker 2: out and tells the house of his escapade with someone
Speaker 2: named Big Bro and how they had something they were
Speaker 2: doing stuff by the river.
Speaker 1: There's no river on Fire Island, Fire Island, Knights. I
Speaker 1: was taken by a man who referred to me as Lilbro,
Speaker 1: and so by transit of property, he had to be
Speaker 1: referred to as Big Bro. And that was the sort
Speaker 1: of let's just say dynamic when I was taken down
Speaker 1: by the river which was really the bay, and had
Speaker 1: pretty incredible sex. And I have to say, years later
Speaker 1: in the UNIFOL Alert twenty twenty four, better, wow, even better.
Speaker 2: Always that's always what you want, Like sometimes it's not
Speaker 2: a given that it's an upper trajectory.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you know it's the worst when you have like
Speaker 1: what we're gonna call like mythological sex with someone that
Speaker 1: becomes part of the cannon in your life. You're like, wow,
Speaker 1: remember that, and then you would visit it later and
Speaker 1: it's flop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's happened. If it happens every day, it happens
Speaker 2: every day. It's actually real culture number nineteen.
Speaker 1: It happens. It happens every day.
Speaker 2: Now, I have so many questions, like how did the
Speaker 2: conversation sort of strike?
Speaker 1: He texted, He said, are you in town? I said,
Speaker 1: I sure am. Saw you at the Open and a center.
Speaker 1: At the Open, we actually went to the one. Yes,
Speaker 1: let's tradition to that out of this like sort of
Speaker 1: we had a we had a great weekend variety.
Speaker 2: See our guest and Mulamer's the musical Run Don't Walk
Speaker 2: at the Al Hirschfeld.
Speaker 1: And you know, I got us the best seats in
Speaker 1: the house. And this actually is a real it's a
Speaker 1: real tip to everyone out there. If you ever can
Speaker 1: buy tickets to a broad musical and the first row
Speaker 1: of the mezzanine is available, grab those seats because I
Speaker 1: like to see the whole production. Of course you want to,
Speaker 1: and this production is a production.
Speaker 2: Oh no, the mezzanine is giving you have the titular
Speaker 2: mulan on one side, on house left, and then you
Speaker 2: have the elephant elephant, the titular elephant from the Love
Speaker 2: medley on house right. Wow, I didn't list so many
Speaker 2: titular things a lot. It's a very titular show.
Speaker 1: And some tits around, thankfully, some beautiful Broadway bodies. Let
Speaker 1: me tell you if you want to see what we
Speaker 1: refer to as stacked people dancing about and I'm sorry
Speaker 1: to objectify our guests this way, but gorgeous, gorgeous, stunning,
Speaker 1: sparkling diamond for body tea, body tea, voice tea, acting
Speaker 1: tea tea.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, we were so sid well, we'll bring
Speaker 2: her into this later, but we fully insulted our guests
Speaker 2: in a way because we like went to her dressing
Speaker 2: room and we're like, oh my god, your acting was
Speaker 2: so good, so grounded, And then we left We're like, no,
Speaker 2: she's fully been in like storied, storied actor Aquamarine RV
Speaker 2: Like are you kidding?
Speaker 1: Where we like, oh my god, you're acting was incredible,
Speaker 1: because well, here's the thing. When you are blessed to
Speaker 1: be one of the great singers of your generation, that's
Speaker 1: sort of going to be the thing that like, that's
Speaker 1: the headline the representation. First of all, can we just
Speaker 1: take the representation and it matters, But the reputation of
Speaker 1: our guests singing voice, let's just say it precedes her
Speaker 1: because first of all, go back.
Speaker 2: With me in time. Oh, I know this is mortifying her,
Speaker 2: but like, this is just how it is. I remember
Speaker 2: exactly where and when, and this is what I'm gonna say.
Speaker 2: I was an information processing class.
Speaker 1: I had an older friend, this girl that I You
Speaker 1: ever have a class with someone and they become your
Speaker 1: friend in just that class because you have nothing else together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I was in information processing learning how to type
Speaker 1: on home Row. We all know Homeow home Row is
Speaker 1: one of the great girls. Whatever, it's on the keyboard.
Speaker 1: So I'm learning how to type to get the maximum
Speaker 1: words permitted. And I'm next to my new friend, Jasmine,
Speaker 1: and she turns to me and she was like, do
Speaker 1: you know about Jojo? And I was like, no, but
Speaker 1: what's going on? She goes, this girl is the most
Speaker 1: unbelievable singer. She's thirteen, and I think, I think, well,
Speaker 1: you were thirteen. I think I was fourteen. You're famously
Speaker 1: a little younger. Yes, seethes for forty five minutes fast forward.
Speaker 1: Finally we resume anyway, I'm like, let me find out.
Speaker 1: That's when Leave get Out entered the chat. Of course.
Speaker 2: I was on the top level of our cafeteria mm hmm.
Speaker 2: That's mockey Hill High School, and I saw a picture
Speaker 2: of her, and then I listened to the song yep,
Speaker 2: and I was like, holy fucking shit.
Speaker 1: I knew growing up.
Speaker 2: I was like, there's gonna be a day when, like
Speaker 2: outside of like kids programming and like kids TV shows,
Speaker 2: like there's gonna be someone our exact age, yep, who's
Speaker 2: gonna pop the fuck off? Like I knew this innately
Speaker 2: as a kid. And there she was, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like that was like the first person.
Speaker 1: And it got better because then I got the album
Speaker 1: and I was obsessed with every track. We have to
Speaker 1: talk about Breezy because it gets talked to about in
Speaker 1: the book, and that's so funny. We must get into it.
Speaker 1: I can't even believe her here, baby, it's you. We
Speaker 1: were just having one of the great songs at all time.
Speaker 1: Forget about too little, too late. I'll never forget like
Speaker 1: what people think people like sort of like singing in
Speaker 1: on the cross country bus to go to meets and
Speaker 1: sort of straight guys being like, are you riffing? Maybe,
Speaker 1: I'm like yeah, nah, nah, no, I'm not riffing. And
Speaker 1: then you were like and I was like, do you know,
Speaker 1: is this forget about disaster? The bridge of disaster and
Speaker 1: forget it? And then everything since I mean, we've just
Speaker 1: been so like enraptured by and impressed by the memoir.
Speaker 1: This is over the influence by our guest. And if
Speaker 1: you are a music fan, especially if you are a
Speaker 1: millennial music fan, you have to have to read this
Speaker 1: because it's important. It fills in so many gaps. It's
Speaker 1: it's a great exploration of what the music industry can be.
Speaker 1: Like is like just really really important stuff if you're
Speaker 1: a music lover, a music fan and wants to learn
Speaker 1: more about like the industry and this amazing artist.
Speaker 2: Just about how it's made about like what inspires musicians,
Speaker 2: like the way it's collaborative, Like this is also grounded
Speaker 2: in like this beautiful realism. There is also so soulful
Speaker 2: and devastating but inspiring and uplifting, Like it's everything. I
Speaker 2: have not had this feeling about a memoir, say well,
Speaker 2: hold on. It was like, oh, like this is like
Speaker 2: a friend reading like talking to me and telling me
Speaker 2: about their life, but then not since meeting Mariah Carrey, I.
Speaker 1: Was gonna say the same thing. This calls some reading
Speaker 1: of Mariah Carey. This references that very same feeling and
Speaker 1: also in that way where it's like a very unrelatable
Speaker 1: story because like, who has these experiences besides this individual,
Speaker 1: but also incredibly relatable in terms of the anxieties, the fears,
Speaker 1: the self doubts, the successes, the blaming of self that
Speaker 1: I think a lot of millennial people go through, especially
Speaker 1: when you're someone who holds yourself to a very high standard,
Speaker 1: as you should, when you are talented, gifted a certain
Speaker 1: way with what you do, when you're put on a
Speaker 1: certain pedestal. I mean, I just cannot say enough. And
Speaker 1: this is a great moment. Yes, And she's currently the
Speaker 1: Sparkling Diamond and Mulan Rouge on Broadway, and you got
Speaker 1: to get the book. Everyone, please welcome into your ears.
Speaker 3: Joliv God, I'm on Lost Coach.
Speaker 1: You fully are on Lost Coach, and it's our honor.
Speaker 1: It's you, guys.
Speaker 4: I'm honored. Thank you so much. That was so cool
Speaker 4: to hear you talking about the book because it's one
Speaker 4: thing to write it, and now people are going to
Speaker 4: start reading it, and it's just just like blowing my mind.
Speaker 4: So thank you so much for taking the time and
Speaker 4: saying those nice things about it.
Speaker 2: Truly incredible and like all the way up until the
Speaker 2: last page, it was just so so beautiful and the
Speaker 2: way you even wrote about it, Like I'm on Waikiki
Speaker 2: Island in New Zealand right now typing this setting it
Speaker 2: to my editor, and I was just like there was
Speaker 2: just this like momentous like it was on the precipice
Speaker 2: of something. It's like she's about to share her story,
Speaker 2: and like you're someone that we've talked about on the
Speaker 2: podcast since the beginning many times.
Speaker 1: Really well, I said, I've been a fan of ever
Speaker 1: since I heard you sing a note, and you have
Speaker 1: that you do have that with like people like in
Speaker 1: our generation, our age. It's like this nostalgia and I
Speaker 1: wonder how that feels as someone who's still like so young.
Speaker 4: It is weird and dope to hear you guys talk
Speaker 4: about like the first time you heard about me or
Speaker 4: heard my music, because I remember the first time I
Speaker 4: heard Britney Spears, I was like backstage at the Huntington
Speaker 4: Theater playing Mustard Seed in a Midsummer Night's Dream, and
Speaker 4: I remember this cooler older girl was like brought in
Speaker 4: this big boombox or something and played baby one more time,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, that is fire? What is that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Is that?
Speaker 4: And it's just crazy that people have those like moments
Speaker 4: with my music. Yeah, And I know it maybe is
Speaker 4: cliche to say that, even twenty years into my career
Speaker 4: that like it's crazy, but like, I don't know how
Speaker 4: else to describe it. It just is kind of weird that
Speaker 4: we're all the same age and we were growing up
Speaker 4: at the same time. And I don't know, and.
Speaker 1: Yes, people can be like I grew up listening to
Speaker 1: your music.
Speaker 4: It definitely makes me feel old and we're not young.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not older older.
Speaker 4: So I don't know, it's just it's weird.
Speaker 1: The fact is that way, Yeah, isn't that? Isn't that
Speaker 1: crazy that? That's what the fact is?
Speaker 4: That is the fact.
Speaker 1: Does mid thirties started thirty three three? I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't identify as mid thirties yet.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, how do you identify thirty three? You're you're
Speaker 2: like a month younger December.
Speaker 1: Babymber, December twentieth, December twentieth, nineteen ninety.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 1: I'm okay with identifying as mid thirties.
Speaker 4: I'm okay with it. I just don't yet I'm okay
Speaker 4: with it, but I did giving.
Speaker 1: Do you know that it's always mortifying to think, like
Speaker 1: a couple of years after you've turned a certain age
Speaker 1: and you said at the time, like, oh God, I
Speaker 1: can't believe I'm assage. Like I remember being twenty five
Speaker 1: and saying, it's just such a weird age to turn.
Speaker 1: You now, I feel like I'm in the middle of something.
Speaker 1: And someone like truly in their mid to late thirties,
Speaker 1: was like, you need to stop saying that. And I
Speaker 1: remember at the time being like, why, it's how I
Speaker 1: feel now. But to all twenty five year olds who
Speaker 1: are saying that, you need to stop saying wherever you are.
Speaker 2: But the thing about you hearing this from people though,
Speaker 2: like I grew up on you. I grew up on you,
Speaker 2: Like you're just going to keep hearing that as we
Speaker 2: all get older, you know what I mean? Like this
Speaker 2: is just like such a huge important threat in your
Speaker 2: career and your story. It's like and that's what you
Speaker 2: build on.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, it's amazing to have that. Ieah, wouldn't trade it
Speaker 4: for anything. No, hell yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean we saw you the other night in Uge
Speaker 1: and by the way, your performance is so great and you.
Speaker 4: Are the best audience members of all time.
Speaker 1: We tend to be the best thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: I'm going to give us that. Okay, I'm going to
Speaker 1: give us. Okay. We're very engaged and we're very gay,
Speaker 1: so we're screaming.
Speaker 4: We heard, we felt, we loved it.
Speaker 2: We were clocking people like there's a scene that takes
Speaker 2: place on the Chanze les A and everyone's in these
Speaker 2: fabulous Yes, this was.
Speaker 4: A gorgeous pretty sign is so beautiful.
Speaker 2: That beyond like the story and the music and the
Speaker 2: and the performances, like there is just so much to
Speaker 2: be said about, like the production design of the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you for that, maximalist, sumptuous all of it. It's
Speaker 2: so fucking good. There was just a couple of people
Speaker 2: and I think we told Jay this just people in
Speaker 2: the back, like.
Speaker 1: Just like we can't even do that. There was just
Speaker 1: a kisses from a long distance air kiss ye each
Speaker 1: other to each other. So my favorite thing to do is,
Speaker 1: and you're a theater fan, so you and like you
Speaker 1: mentioned in the book, like one of the great things
Speaker 1: is that you can go back to this show and
Speaker 1: a lot of these maximalist productions and you can just
Speaker 1: watch one ensemble member the whole time, to watch their
Speaker 1: choices and it's so fun. So we were hiding, we
Speaker 1: were screaming silently to ourselves respectfully in the theater. But whenever,
Speaker 1: like these insanely like well cooffed women in that scene
Speaker 1: would walk up to each other, they would truly touch
Speaker 1: hands like this, and they would just go and they
Speaker 1: were just and that's how they agree each other. And
Speaker 1: I was like, that is everything, like the opportunity to
Speaker 1: just be so dumb, so stupid, just like I love it,
Speaker 1: I miss it. I come on. It's a good vibe,
Speaker 1: the production.
Speaker 4: Great vibe. And also how hot is everybody in the show.
Speaker 4: The ensemble is unbelievable. The legs on the guys who
Speaker 4: lift me and stuff. If we could just for a moment.
Speaker 1: We got to talk about that one. Believe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel as though you're talking about Alec, who
Speaker 4: has big, beautiful legs. He's so fit, he looks like
Speaker 4: I don't know, like a.
Speaker 1: Like a like a Marvel like a Marvel guy. It's
Speaker 1: like if Prince Eric was thick.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm going to say about Alecs with those thighs.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So yeah, when I'm getting lifted all those times for night,
Speaker 4: I am in good hand. Yeah, I know they are
Speaker 4: in the gym just getting them reps int.
Speaker 1: No, it's great. The glue bridges were not missed. No,
Speaker 1: not at all, but you so. I one thing I
Speaker 1: was concerned about was when you do descend yes as
Speaker 1: the Sparkling Diamond, which you do a couple of times,
Speaker 1: because then you come back as the iconic Kylie Minogue
Speaker 1: Green Faerry.
Speaker 4: This is Kylie Minogue Green Fairy, Yes.
Speaker 1: And so I was like, now, I hope she's okay
Speaker 1: with heights, because when you book the show, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course I'm going to be Satina amazing, and then
Speaker 1: they say to you later, well, you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: come down from one hundred feet every show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was so scary the first few times. But
Speaker 4: I actually saw this show like two years ago when
Speaker 4: it was the touring production of it, so it was
Speaker 4: at the Pantagious in La I saw it and I
Speaker 4: was like, oh my god, it's so romantic and sumptuous
Speaker 4: something and just decadent, and it feels like you're inside
Speaker 4: a beating heart. I was so into it, and I
Speaker 4: saw Satine come down from the ceiling and I was
Speaker 4: just like, Oh, first of all, I'm like, I'll never
Speaker 4: have a budget like this for my own music. I
Speaker 4: was like, So, I was like, imagine like getting to,
Speaker 4: you know, be in productions like this. I was like,
Speaker 4: I would just that'd be such a dream that I
Speaker 4: just kind of put it out into the universe, and
Speaker 4: the universe inspired and here I am playing Setine and
Speaker 4: it was scary the first time coming down from the ceiling.
Speaker 4: I definitely took Are you familiar with propranolol?
Speaker 1: Oh sure, I'm not. Well, she'll calm you down, Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 4: So it's for like heart palpitation. I get debilitatingly nervous.
Speaker 4: So I used to like, do it just a cheeky,
Speaker 4: just a touch of a xanax and just a tasteful
Speaker 4: mindful amount of mindful so I don't like. But then
Speaker 4: I was like, oh no, but what if I want
Speaker 4: to cry, It's not gonna let me, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. So Panol for the first few shows kept
Speaker 4: me right love.
Speaker 1: But now I don't need it anymore.
Speaker 4: Oh no, put me up there, throw me down. I
Speaker 4: don't even need a harness.
Speaker 2: Well you wrote this in the book, like I think
Speaker 2: it was your first show, a seteene coming down. You
Speaker 2: were like, not even the wings, like the ceiling about
Speaker 2: to come down, and you were like, what would sateen,
Speaker 2: how would the teen feel in this moment? Be like
Speaker 2: I've done this hundreds of times. I love people are
Speaker 2: coming for me. I need to be in that mindset.
Speaker 1: Literally, people like I don't even need to try.
Speaker 2: Like I would say spoiler alert, it's like a good
Speaker 2: like twenty ish minutes into the show before we even
Speaker 2: see you, and like I don't know, like the people
Speaker 2: that we were with, we were just like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: we're here for Jojo, like when she's coming out, like
Speaker 2: Aaron Debait everybody, David Harris. We love the whole cast,
Speaker 2: like the whole crew, but we're just like they really
Speaker 2: are like teasing it, teasing in such a cool way,
Speaker 2: like Joejo's about to pop out, and then you popped down.
Speaker 1: You came down. And I do the same thing with
Speaker 1: Nicole in the movie that were you a fan of
Speaker 1: the movie.
Speaker 4: Big massive fan one of my favorite movies, Baz Luhrman,
Speaker 4: I Love You and you know it. He came backstage
Speaker 4: and he like showed love and I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: you like me. There's a character, such a character. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I love to like party with him, Like.
Speaker 1: I bet that option is available to you hopefully one
Speaker 1: of these days.
Speaker 4: He just seems, yeah, like such a character so interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember the first time I ever watched that movie.
Speaker 1: I watched it with my mom. We rented it on demand,
Speaker 1: and the first half hour is so bad. Shit. The
Speaker 1: whole thing is like, but you come to appreciate its
Speaker 1: level of batshitness, like when you adjust to it, because
Speaker 1: what happens is you adjust to it and your senses
Speaker 1: are so overloaded, and then it falls into just being
Speaker 1: them and their chemistry together just explodes. And just there's
Speaker 1: something about her sheer star power and magnitude and that
Speaker 1: like that hair collar, and like the way that she
Speaker 1: is so committed to it. I just and then the
Speaker 1: emotional place that it goes. I remember what happened was
Speaker 1: we watched a half hour of it. My mother was like,
Speaker 1: I have to tell you, I don't even know what's happening.
Speaker 1: She I guess turned it off, left for ten minutes,
Speaker 1: and she had she had probably gone to bed, and
Speaker 1: I was like, let me go join this again in process.
Speaker 1: So it came back and they're in the suite and
Speaker 1: it's just the two of them. By the end, I
Speaker 1: was sobbing a mess. Had never been so emotionally connected
Speaker 1: in my life. And it all paid off. And the
Speaker 1: Ewan McGregor, Oh, come on.
Speaker 4: Who really pulls at my heart string?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that like shouty singing. I realize that's so earnest
Speaker 1: and beautiful.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Ernest, Ernest, Yeah, the way that bas like his
Speaker 4: cuts and all that stuff. It's very frenetic, I think.
Speaker 4: And I love that about Elvis. I love that about
Speaker 4: The Great Gatsby. I love that style is just so
Speaker 4: so wild. And yeah, the songs. You hadn't seen it
Speaker 4: before the show, neither we had.
Speaker 1: Why I took us to see the original broadcast and
Speaker 1: then COVID and the COVID happen.
Speaker 4: Did you think that the songs would be different because
Speaker 4: the songs are different from the movie.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, I knew that the songs would be different,
Speaker 2: but I did not. I think the show does a
Speaker 2: really good job of not telling people, like it's not
Speaker 2: in the Playbell like you know.
Speaker 1: What I mean.
Speaker 2: Like, I think it's a very good intention because it's
Speaker 2: like we should be surprised as an audience about what
Speaker 2: songs are being.
Speaker 4: It's always so funny, like when the audience is like, oh,
Speaker 4: I see what you're doing there, Like when Aaron turns
Speaker 4: his head and it's like when I say shut up
Speaker 4: and dance with me or whatever, he looks and winks
Speaker 4: and they're like the audience was like, oh that.
Speaker 1: Song, now, I love that. So there's the number in
Speaker 1: the movie which is Nicole Sing's one Day Fly Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's fully replaced by Katie Perry Firework, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Is that what it's replaced?
Speaker 1: Pretty There's a scene there's a scene where like, you know,
Speaker 1: she is preparing I guess to the duke is however,
Speaker 1: and she sings about her desire to you know, transcend
Speaker 1: that place and do more. And I guess it's not
Speaker 1: exactly an emotional one to one, but it is like
Speaker 1: in that same place and Firework really it takes you there.
Speaker 4: It does take you there. Her duke was creepy by
Speaker 4: the way like really really creepy and like in our show,
Speaker 4: he's very sexy Australian.
Speaker 1: We were interested in him.
Speaker 4: Yes, he is interesting.
Speaker 1: He's interesting. Is interesting. Just someone hot is interesting. My
Speaker 1: favorite way not always the case.
Speaker 4: They broke. Maybe I need to ask you whatever you want.
Speaker 1: No camera, mychnology on the show. We really don't say
Speaker 1: much off camera here.
Speaker 4: Okay, great. I really enjoyed the way that you talked
Speaker 4: about this mythical sex with someone because there are people
Speaker 4: and the way.
Speaker 1: You read the book.
Speaker 4: Yes, but into the canon of somebody's what I'm like, yo,
Speaker 4: because there are people who I've mit size. Yeah, of
Speaker 4: course that is great. I'm just gonna start thinking about
Speaker 4: and speaking about.
Speaker 1: Things sometimes though that is dangerous to do because certain
Speaker 1: situations can't really be replicated. Like I remember that moment
Speaker 1: was such a It was kind of watershed for me
Speaker 1: that moment, to be honest with you, because I was
Speaker 1: thinking back around that trip to Fire Island and like
Speaker 1: we've been back several times and that was really like
Speaker 1: the last that was the one time I really felt
Speaker 1: like very like i'll just say, like very sexually free
Speaker 1: and like I let because when you go to on
Speaker 1: like a gay vacation like that, or to any destination.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like whatever, like you're supposed to be
Speaker 1: like debaucherous. Let's feel like it's like a Vegas thing
Speaker 1: or whatever the fuck. It's like you can kind of
Speaker 1: choose your own adventure. And that trip, I remember we
Speaker 1: were saying we were in our Charizart era breathing fires. Pokemon.
Speaker 1: You didn't want to go up against her, So we
Speaker 1: were in our Charizar era on that trip, and the
Speaker 1: way it was manifesting from me was just being very
Speaker 1: forward and available. And I will say in recent trips,
Speaker 1: I've missed that person, have missed that.
Speaker 4: You can summon that person.
Speaker 1: I know, but don't you don't I know what you
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. It's like it's like sometimes
Speaker 1: it's like the access to your your vitality is sometimes
Speaker 1: not always like I know because you texted me when
Speaker 1: you listen to the episode last week and you said,
Speaker 1: because she goes when you said I need access to
Speaker 1: my penis to feel like Matt Rogers, she goes, well, yes, journey, yes.
Speaker 4: Longer, I'm no longer and is cool for me, but
Speaker 4: I'm I loved it at the time, but I'm glad
Speaker 4: to not be on it anymore personally, of.
Speaker 1: Course, But you said you were a situational girl.
Speaker 4: That's what my therapist said. She was like, I think
Speaker 4: it's situational depression. But yeah, was prozac for a long time.
Speaker 4: And then I'm like, do I need to be on
Speaker 4: Should I be on this forever? Can I explore like
Speaker 4: natural things? Can I explore what happens when I work
Speaker 4: out consistently? And I actually try to take you like
Speaker 4: prioritize those things. And it was it was very good
Speaker 4: for me.
Speaker 1: What's your journey now? Are you? Are you vegan? Like no, okay, God, I.
Speaker 4: Just had a chicken finger. Yes, honey mustard babe.
Speaker 1: Honey mustard Babe's so good.
Speaker 4: So I'm not vegan, but I love to like cook
Speaker 4: plant based. I've been vegan before for a relationship. Actually,
Speaker 4: I think it's like really why I was vegan at
Speaker 4: the time. But then I was like, oh, I feel
Speaker 4: really good and it's hot, like if you're vegan together
Speaker 4: and you're like eating watermelon and large making each other
Speaker 4: food and like being naked and hot. It was just
Speaker 4: a moment and yeah, so no, I just I call
Speaker 4: myself a flexitarian flexitarian.
Speaker 2: Would it be nice to have in someone you were
Speaker 2: with if they could do the vegan thing with you again,
Speaker 2: just like a new person.
Speaker 4: I really enjoy the freedom of like when I go
Speaker 4: overseas to eat the cuisine of where I'm at in Rome,
Speaker 4: if you will. So I don't really desire to be
Speaker 4: vegan right now?
Speaker 1: Are you with someone? Now?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm this is like my roundabout way of
Speaker 2: being like are you Are you dating anybody?
Speaker 4: I am not dating anyone seriously, but I am outside
Speaker 4: out there, I'm outside and it's so weird. I never
Speaker 4: thought that I would be on a dating app, but
Speaker 4: I'm on Ride.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I read that.
Speaker 4: Have y'all seen me? Oh okay, I haven't seen you actually.
Speaker 2: Any women, but I see some women. If you go
Speaker 2: to the map, ye go y three to thirty three,
Speaker 2: not mid thirties, not.
Speaker 1: Yet mid early so early, not identify thirties?
Speaker 4: Is there really good changing?
Speaker 1: And so when you're dating now is the intent? Because
Speaker 1: in the book you also talk about like the many
Speaker 1: intense relationships that you've had.
Speaker 4: Oh many? And what are you calling me many many lovers?
Speaker 1: No? I would say, you know what I'm saying. Yes,
Speaker 1: and so you know, the words love addict are even
Speaker 1: used love addicted. And I have to say I identified
Speaker 1: with a lot of what you said. And lately I've
Speaker 1: also been on the journey of like, I'm going on
Speaker 1: dates and it's to spend time with another person, And
Speaker 1: is that where you're at now? And have you adjusted
Speaker 1: to that in a way where you can leave the
Speaker 1: day and not overthink woo, Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think that's the beauty of learning how to just
Speaker 4: go on dates, like what you said, and also like
Speaker 4: not just because I've jumped into relationships or I've been
Speaker 4: like this is good, I'm just going to go with this.
Speaker 4: And I've been a serial you know, two years, three years,
Speaker 4: one thing after the next, never really free falling, always
Speaker 4: having my hand on the next monkey bar man, if
Speaker 4: you will, you know what I'm saying, like the next thing,
Speaker 4: and always having that security and comfort of the next person.
Speaker 4: So since I ended my engagement like almost two years
Speaker 4: ago now, I've been allowing myself to or try and
Speaker 4: practicing free falling and like being alone. And last year
Speaker 4: when I was in Mulain Rouge, I like, after I
Speaker 4: got into the swing of the show, I went on
Speaker 4: a few dates with men that I would have never met,
Speaker 4: just in the wild of life and the circles that
Speaker 4: I run in and stuff, because it's mostly like singers
Speaker 4: and artists and performers and stuff like that. So I
Speaker 4: was saying, like swiping no on anybody that was an artist,
Speaker 4: and just I was like, I went out with a neurosurgeon.
Speaker 4: I think I said this in the book, and like
Speaker 4: a teacher and an executive. But the true is is
Speaker 4: that I just do like artists. It's very hard not to.
Speaker 1: It's one less thing to explain about yourself.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I just like the way music affects me
Speaker 4: and how I love it and how I like to like,
Speaker 4: you know, I grew up like harmonizing with my parents
Speaker 4: and like singing with them in the car and stuff,
Speaker 4: and I think there's something very comforting about that. But
Speaker 4: I question is the comfort a good thing or is
Speaker 4: it something that I should If it's familiar, should I
Speaker 4: go try to, you know, look for something else. So
Speaker 4: long winded way of answering your question is have I
Speaker 4: figured out how to not overthink it. I try to
Speaker 4: have a full enough life to where I'm like sewing
Speaker 4: into my friendships, feeling good about my career, the work
Speaker 4: I'm doing, like being able to look myself in the
Speaker 4: mirror and be like, I'm proud of you. You're a
Speaker 4: nice You're doing a good job. So then I'm just
Speaker 4: like I'm a catch, and you know, I just want
Speaker 4: to see if I like this person?
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? That's what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to Well, we try to sometimes say, well, you were
Speaker 1: the first person that said this, and I literally adopted
Speaker 1: it immediately. It was if I'm spending time with you,
Speaker 1: it's a big deal.
Speaker 4: The serious Where did you get that? I think I
Speaker 4: just made it is a big deal?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, isn't it?
Speaker 2: And like, especially now for you, where you are feeling
Speaker 2: this like not easey, because it's never easy to lead
Speaker 2: a Broadway show, but it's like you are feeling this
Speaker 2: like like that is a stable center and anchor of
Speaker 2: your life, but you're you're now able to, like you
Speaker 2: were telling us earlier, like have a night out like
Speaker 2: once a week, you know, like that is protected time.
Speaker 4: Though, yes, you know what I mean, precious, So if
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go out with somebody a fucking stranger loose,
Speaker 4: I don't know what hell these guys are Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 4: then it's like it needs to feel substantial or like
Speaker 4: there's it's there's something of something there. So yeah, And
Speaker 4: I've never really had that type of stability of like
Speaker 4: showing up to the same job ever. So that is
Speaker 4: cool to know that I'm going to the same theater,
Speaker 4: I'm going to see the same people since I was young,
Speaker 4: and I love the flexibility and the change and all that.
Speaker 4: But I think there was something in my spirit that
Speaker 4: was like it'd be cool to be planted for a
Speaker 4: few months.
Speaker 2: Well, you were saying how the last time you did
Speaker 2: Milan Rouge there was a moment when you went back
Speaker 2: to LA and how you were kind of nervous about
Speaker 2: this stability or other structure kind of just kind of
Speaker 2: being put on pause for a little bit, right, Like
Speaker 2: your life back in LA was just like catching up
Speaker 2: to you again and like hitting you in one like
Speaker 2: big moment. And I wonder now, like now that you're
Speaker 2: back and now that you're in the city, like what
Speaker 2: is is there some intention now about like staying here
Speaker 2: a little longer.
Speaker 1: But they're not. It has to do with the show,
Speaker 1: because you do love it.
Speaker 4: I love it. I love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And Connie's outside. I know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, my aunt Connie and my cousin's girlfriend Billy were
Speaker 4: from South Boston and they just like they'll drive in
Speaker 4: so I get to see my family more often. I
Speaker 4: was in LA for fourteen years, and I didn't realize
Speaker 4: how far I actually was. Obviously it's three thousand miles
Speaker 4: away whatever, But like it just made me into a
Speaker 4: weirder person, Like I am weird, but like it made
Speaker 4: me into a certain I'm just good. I'm good on
Speaker 4: LA right now. I think I've spent enough time. Being
Speaker 4: back on the East Coast feels right in my spirit.
Speaker 4: I think I need it. I need to remind myself
Speaker 4: of like this gritty little bit that I am.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 4: I like how weird things happen here. I like the
Speaker 4: chance meetings that you might run into somebody on the street,
Speaker 4: and I like all the walking, and I like to
Speaker 4: taking the subway, and I like the community that I
Speaker 4: feel here, And yeah, I dig it. So I think
Speaker 4: I'm gonna explore some more neighborhoods see what feels like
Speaker 4: the right fit for me to come to Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, what about Brooklyn for you? What
Speaker 1: about what about like Carroll Gardens.
Speaker 4: Okay, I did look at a place in Carroll Gardens.
Speaker 4: It was like a five story walk up and I'm like,
Speaker 4: I don't know I can do.
Speaker 1: That's tough.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's really gonna be a no for me. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but maybe you can tell me some like cool spots.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to put my on touch with my my gal,
Speaker 2: my broker.
Speaker 1: But the iconic running Row, the iconic Ronnie Rose her
Speaker 1: second mention in a row.
Speaker 4: Wow, really just another.
Speaker 1: Mythological hurd that looms larned in the world of real estate.
Speaker 1: Not exact. Ronnie Rose is my.
Speaker 2: Real estate big bro. She really gave me the business.
Speaker 2: But anyway, I'm feeling okay, so not really you know what,
Speaker 2: here's the thing to the Hirschfeld.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but like I'm not going to move into the Hirschfeld,
Speaker 4: So like, of course, I don't know how long you know, yes, exactly,
Speaker 4: just like six more weeks there. But if yeah, if
Speaker 4: I'm gonna, I want to be a part of that
Speaker 4: world a little bit more than I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think you are so where you belong on theater.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think it makes sense because just
Speaker 1: because because you really are great and I mean like
Speaker 1: like you really are like.
Speaker 2: Little broad to that that's the title.
Speaker 1: That's another thing that up a little broke up, a
Speaker 1: little bro period period. I just can see you in
Speaker 1: so many roles. I can see you just doing a play,
Speaker 1: like I mean, like.
Speaker 4: Great, yeah, because it would be so nice to not
Speaker 4: have to think about singing. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: You guys, it'd be so cute to be able to
Speaker 4: go out and have a cocktail and then show the
Speaker 4: next day.
Speaker 1: Couldn't be me, you know what, though, I remember, like
Speaker 1: I saw Adina Menzela in a play.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was face face Value or something whatever
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 1: It was something.
Speaker 4: She's doing another one. She has a new one coming
Speaker 4: out soon.
Speaker 1: Is it a musical or is it a play? Because
Speaker 1: I saw her in a play and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is the idea of famously of singing yes, yes,
Speaker 1: and just see her in a play. I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, if you get connected to this part of town,
Speaker 1: like they'll think of you for all sorts of things,
Speaker 1: and I have to imagine that, like, well, obviously, like
Speaker 1: you're doing things outside of Mulin Rouge that are like exciting,
Speaker 1: but I do want to ask, like just in terms
Speaker 1: of recorded music, can you talk about the song Porcelain
Speaker 1: at the end of the book. Yeah, is that something
Speaker 1: that we're going to be hearing.
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm putting on new music soon. You are are
Speaker 4: going to lead with Porcelain, which is really cool. And
Speaker 4: I'm just so nervous because I just haven't put out
Speaker 4: music in a long time.
Speaker 1: And it's been three years I think, so it.
Speaker 4: Feels like it's been thirty three years. It feels like
Speaker 4: I've never put out music before. Actually it's so weird.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm really excited just to rip the band
Speaker 4: aid off and just put stuff out like Era New Era.
Speaker 4: There so much dope music out there, and I just
Speaker 4: want to play. I just want to beat, you know.
Speaker 1: Fun We were saying the other day, you're really into
Speaker 1: the Sabrina album so good. I feel like you guys
Speaker 1: speak to each other.
Speaker 4: You really just so funny and yeah, cute and horny
Speaker 4: and I'm obsessed.
Speaker 1: I also, can she can map out a riff?
Speaker 4: Yes? Oh? She is really? Like is she underrated as
Speaker 4: a vocal fast?
Speaker 1: There was this video of her like just messing around
Speaker 1: with this Jasmine Sullivan song.
Speaker 4: Yes, Oh, I've seen and.
Speaker 1: Siss A commented like, I did not know you exactly.
Speaker 4: And a lot of us fell that way. Wow, do
Speaker 4: you know Eric Vitro the vocal Coach's arian his vocal coach.
Speaker 4: I feel like, I don't know if you went over
Speaker 4: to the UK, Like he's been a part of her
Speaker 4: life for a long time, but he's also we worked
Speaker 4: with Sabrina. I work with him from time to time.
Speaker 4: He's great, He's in la if you guys every n
Speaker 4: it's amazing.
Speaker 1: I feel like all three of all three of you
Speaker 1: that you just mentioned, Like I hear a ton of
Speaker 1: Ariana like in like all three of you guys' stuff.
Speaker 1: Like I thought Sabrina's album was just like not only
Speaker 1: was it incredibly well performed and well written, but it's
Speaker 1: just it's like a fusion of those two things. There's
Speaker 1: just a lot of personality. It feels like getting to
Speaker 1: know someone better. Yeah, and I think that on your
Speaker 1: last two outputs too. Like sometimes when I was reading
Speaker 1: the book, I was like, man, this has to be
Speaker 1: a really difficult thing to have such a complicated relationship
Speaker 1: with things other people truly love.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it makes me feel really bad.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, because I completely identify with that. Do
Speaker 2: you of course, being like, well, it means something to people,
Speaker 2: and so therefore it is like valid and important that
Speaker 2: you should honor as someone who who made it. But also,
Speaker 2: and I'm just talking about like a little four minute sketches,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Yeah, sure, let's say when
Speaker 2: everyone comes hate.
Speaker 1: It's just like when someone just boils you down to
Speaker 1: a thing.
Speaker 2: When someone just when you know, someone will just shout
Speaker 2: across the street like Iceberg, and I'm like, I don't.
Speaker 3: Wrin is that it's happened?
Speaker 1: What happened?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm the girlfriend back.
Speaker 1: You're so good in that though, Oh well, thank you
Speaker 1: so much, you really.
Speaker 4: Are, but please tell me more about Well, no, it's.
Speaker 2: Just I really And what what Matt's getting at is
Speaker 2: like it's it's like it's a constant renegotiation internally where
Speaker 2: you're like and it lands like the pendulum finally like
Speaker 2: stays at are we so lucky to be doing what
Speaker 2: we do? But like, I think you are so honest
Speaker 2: and vulnerable about how difficult a lot of these songs
Speaker 2: that you put out were because it was being dictated
Speaker 2: by all these other people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that makes me feel a lot of ways,
Speaker 4: makes me feel like a little embarrassed because but not
Speaker 4: to where I'm like, you know, hanging my head down,
Speaker 4: you know, like it's just sha. I don't feel ashamed
Speaker 4: about it because I understand now like why I made
Speaker 4: decisions all throughout my life, like even ones that I'm
Speaker 4: like where I hurt people or wherever. But like as
Speaker 4: it goes with that, like it kind of just makes
Speaker 4: me really excited when I see artists that are just
Speaker 4: I believe they really are fighting for their vision. That
Speaker 4: takes a lot of courage. I think it also takes
Speaker 4: a lot of support from other people around them, whether
Speaker 4: it's their management or you know, just even family and
Speaker 4: friends and stuff who like really see and want to
Speaker 4: help them pull that off.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 4: And I just I always felt kind of alone, like
Speaker 4: when I was trying to fight for something. So then
Speaker 4: I because I was going through stuff in my personal
Speaker 4: life or family life, and I had like been in
Speaker 4: this wicked long lawsuit and I just had no more
Speaker 4: resources energetically or financially or anything. I just like felt
Speaker 4: so backed into a corner. Yeah that so, so I'm
Speaker 4: like embarrassed that I like did songs that I didn't love,
Speaker 4: but I understood why I trusted, you know, executives that
Speaker 4: were like, this is going to be a hit, and
Speaker 4: I was like, I just think I'm supposed to have
Speaker 4: more hits, So I'm just gonna do what you tell
Speaker 4: me to do because everyone's telling me you're supposed to
Speaker 4: be this or blah blah blah. So but I'm sure.
Speaker 4: So you can understand the confusion.
Speaker 1: Because they happened to be right the first time. So
Speaker 1: get in the book, you discuss how you first heard
Speaker 1: Leeve get Out even as a twelve year old, and
Speaker 1: you're like, this doesn't feel like me, and I don't
Speaker 1: get it, and then you record it, you put your
Speaker 1: thing on it, and it literally immediately pops off. So
Speaker 1: then it's like it becomes a core belief. These people
Speaker 1: do know better core belief.
Speaker 4: And it was no longer those people that were telling me.
Speaker 4: It was just other people that filled that place. So
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, even though it's not like Barry
Speaker 4: and Vincent, you know, making these these calls, it is
Speaker 4: other people who also have had success in that area.
Speaker 4: And because it's a core belief, they whoever, they are
Speaker 4: no better than me. And then those those songs that
Speaker 4: I compromised on, it just never popped off, like the
Speaker 4: promise was. I'm like, so then you just feel silly. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. But it's kind of a
Speaker 4: blessing in disguise because to sing over and over and
Speaker 4: over again songs that you just really don't feel like,
Speaker 4: you like, if they're not big hits, you like, don't
Speaker 4: have to sing them.
Speaker 1: Sure, I'm totally fine, totally yeah.
Speaker 4: And then like Creature of Habit for example, which I like,
Speaker 4: don't care for that song. I'm so glad that I
Speaker 4: don't have to sing that. I'm a creature.
Speaker 3: What the fucks, I'm a creature.
Speaker 4: I'm a creature, and I just did Masked Singer. I'm like, honestly,
Speaker 4: I want to take myself off of this planet right now.
Speaker 4: This is insanity, But that was the recommendation.
Speaker 2: We talk about climbing Cringe Mountain. I feel like the
Speaker 2: way you wrote about your time on the Mass Singer
Speaker 2: was I think kind of beautiful and sort of really yeah,
Speaker 2: heistic too, because You're just like, this is obviously like
Speaker 2: not where I thought I.
Speaker 4: Was gonna I thought I was going to be doing.
Speaker 2: But you've you've like crossed that fire and that crucible
Speaker 2: and like you can literally do anything, like no one can.
Speaker 4: Tell you actually really enjoyed doing it. It was during
Speaker 4: it was twenty twenty or twenty twenty one, so I
Speaker 4: was like very much about getting a check as well, get.
Speaker 1: The check and get out the use.
Speaker 4: I really enjoy that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So yeah, so it was cool. I got to sing
Speaker 4: songs that I wouldn't have Like I sang how am
Speaker 4: I supposed to Live Without You?
Speaker 1: Michael Bolton, Major Major, By the way, your cover of
Speaker 1: Can't Fight This Feeling from Lisa Frankenstein, which came out
Speaker 1: this February.
Speaker 4: Pea Williams director, Oh that movie a cult classic, instant classic.
Speaker 1: It really like that that song you gave that song? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you really did, and you gave every song, but well,
Speaker 1: thank you. I mean one thing that I think was
Speaker 1: a really fun thing when it happened. And also it's
Speaker 1: really interesting to look back now that like Taylor has
Speaker 1: her tailor's versions and stuff. Is you re recording your
Speaker 1: first two albums and releasing them in twenty eighteen. And
Speaker 1: I do remember being so excited when when they came
Speaker 1: out because I was like, because they weren't available for streaming,
Speaker 1: and I was such a I think I didn't know
Speaker 1: where my two thousand and four actual JoJo's Compact disc
Speaker 1: was in order? Would I know how to play it now?
Speaker 1: But when you did that, And by the way, Doug
Speaker 1: Krantz actually as a gift when he when he he
Speaker 1: takes photos for me when I'm when I'm doing my
Speaker 1: show sometimes he's really great, and he gave me as
Speaker 1: a gift those two vinyls. Wow, So I have them
Speaker 1: in law eighteen vinyls. Yes, I love and so. But
Speaker 1: what's great about the rerecording of that, and like I
Speaker 1: was really happy to see that you write this in
Speaker 1: the book, is that when you finally got to rerecord
Speaker 1: those things and you have those little bittersweet moments of
Speaker 1: reconnecting with you know what it felt like to record
Speaker 1: them the first time. It almost feels like you can
Speaker 1: speak to and perform them in a way that you
Speaker 1: actually understand those emotions right and in a way it's like.
Speaker 4: Their new songs, Yeah, and they are.
Speaker 1: There were grown ass songs, grown ass voice the way
Speaker 1: you do me.
Speaker 4: What am I talking about? How to touch a girl?
Speaker 4: I mean, how to touch her heart? But like I
Speaker 4: don't know, so you know, but.
Speaker 1: How to touch a girl.
Speaker 2: I mean, like it's really meaningful that it's like the
Speaker 2: song that you wrote, and it's like it's such a
Speaker 2: beautiful it's like Aretha, like this girl's in love with you.
Speaker 1: It's so.
Speaker 4: But even singing like keep on keeping On, which was
Speaker 4: like the song that I wrote by myself twelve years
Speaker 4: old from my first album, I was like really touched
Speaker 4: by thinking about my little prepubescentself walking around the apartment
Speaker 4: complex and like writing those lyrics and then to re
Speaker 4: sing them. It was I just even in just writing
Speaker 4: this book, in totality, I realized how very little I
Speaker 4: had actually taken the time to try to remember because
Speaker 4: I didn't want to.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's really interesting.
Speaker 4: I didn't give myself the time or space to appreciate
Speaker 4: how unbelievable my life is. It has been the things
Speaker 4: that I've accomplished, the things I've overcome, the to me,
Speaker 4: it feels like against the odds that I'm still alive sometimes,
Speaker 4: do you know what I mean? And so I'm like
Speaker 4: take the time and be like even the wisdom that
Speaker 4: I had at twelve years old to want to encourage
Speaker 4: myself and others and keep on keeping on, like that's
Speaker 4: precious Yeah, I'm like, oh my god, little Joe.
Speaker 1: And that she was speaking to you twenty years later.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she was still telling me to keep on keeping on.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is happening?
Speaker 2: It was cool, But that's interesting to hear you say that,
Speaker 2: like you weren't sure what the capacity for your own
Speaker 2: memory was because like the detail is very granular and
Speaker 2: it's very specific in this book, and I wonder if
Speaker 2: that must have been And I'm sure it was like
Speaker 2: a very intense process of just like picking out these
Speaker 2: details of just like even like you talking about like
Speaker 2: how long this hallway in this Vegas hotel was. I
Speaker 2: was just like, yeah, that's so specific, Like that's tied
Speaker 2: to a very dark memory. But you're like, but just
Speaker 2: even in the book, you're like, these Vegas hotel always
Speaker 2: are fucking law.
Speaker 1: That was very visceral. That detail is very visceral because
Speaker 1: you can feel.
Speaker 2: It, so like I imagine it was really deep, kind
Speaker 2: of excavating of like the details of those really intense moments.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, I've been in therapy for a long
Speaker 4: time now, so I have thought about some of the
Speaker 4: pain points in my life because I've wanted to work
Speaker 4: through them and try to learn something or grow from them.
Speaker 4: But like that moment in Vegas, for example, that is
Speaker 4: a hinge point in my life where it's also my
Speaker 4: mom's story, and I wanted to be really thoughtful and
Speaker 4: sensitive about the way that I told things that were
Speaker 4: her story and that are pain points for her too.
Speaker 4: But I realized how much I had protected other people
Speaker 4: to where it was like too much for me to bear.
Speaker 4: And like I can see that room, that Vegas hallway,
Speaker 4: because that was a moment that I'll never forget. You know,
Speaker 4: I can see the letter that my mom wrote me,
Speaker 4: and I can see it strewn, you know, all the
Speaker 4: things that are the book and that happened, and that
Speaker 4: I didn't know if I was ever going to share. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that my family knows and things like that. And it's
Speaker 4: not from a place of wanting to call anybody out
Speaker 4: or anything like that. Like trust me, I felt a
Speaker 4: lot of I wrestled with it. But the story that
Speaker 4: I tell in this book and what my experience has
Speaker 4: been is about redemption and evolution and people can change
Speaker 4: if they want to, and and that by sharing it all,
Speaker 4: no one can use anything against you, No one can,
Speaker 4: like you know what I mean? There's nothing to be
Speaker 4: ashamed of.
Speaker 1: That's beautiful.
Speaker 2: And the theme that kind of rang for me in
Speaker 2: reading this was like from the beginning, from your first
Speaker 2: appearance on Kids Say the Darkness things, which I loved
Speaker 2: as a kid too, like when they're product so I
Speaker 2: loved so sweet. But it's like from your first moments
Speaker 2: being on camera, it's like you were talking to a
Speaker 2: very complicated adult. And then I think the theme of
Speaker 2: this story for you is that like your whole life
Speaker 2: and your career has been about like being affected by
Speaker 2: these very complicated individuals, and that you, by the end
Speaker 2: of it, have the grace to forgive a lot of
Speaker 2: them and to complete them as people in the way
Speaker 2: that you talk and write about them. I think that
Speaker 2: is like the story of Jojo to me, like, oh my.
Speaker 4: God, thank you for saying it, Like, yeah, I really
Speaker 4: appreciate it because I had a lot of I did
Speaker 4: have fear about anybody feeling upset or like I put
Speaker 4: them out there. I look, I don't paint myself in
Speaker 4: like the rosiest you know light. I'm not a victim,
Speaker 4: nor am I a villain. I've been all things. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and a lot of people have been that in my
Speaker 4: life too.
Speaker 1: So it's not like anyone can read this book and
Speaker 1: be like, Wow, she really went out of her way
Speaker 1: to make it seem like everyone was the bad guy good.
Speaker 1: That's not how I look at it.
Speaker 4: That's what I look at it.
Speaker 1: In fact, I think one of my favorite parts of
Speaker 1: this book is when you literally just tee it up
Speaker 1: by being like, I don't even know how to say this,
Speaker 1: I'm just going to say it, I cheated on awesome person,
Speaker 1: this this incredible person. And I think that that was
Speaker 1: actually one of the things that of course, like if
Speaker 1: you're on your like moral high horse or whatever like
Speaker 1: which people of course, undoubtedly maybe you might not see
Speaker 1: yourself in it. But I think that, like, all I
Speaker 1: know is this idea that I know this is the
Speaker 1: wrong thing to do, but the urge inside me wouldever
Speaker 1: you paint that really really vividly, this co.
Speaker 4: This compulsions, saboteur compulsion inside which which I think you know,
Speaker 4: in the way that I think about addiction, addiction can
Speaker 4: be to stimulation, to loved substances, to getting outside yourself,
Speaker 4: to chaos too. I've flirted with all of that, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, And I think that I was
Speaker 4: in such pain. There was such confusion and chaos in
Speaker 4: my life that it's as if I needed to poison
Speaker 4: this like one thing because I felt unworthy. It's it's
Speaker 4: like I wanted to test, maybe subconsciously, how much it's
Speaker 4: just there's no excuse. But looking back, I can and
Speaker 4: through therapy, I'm just like why why?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: You know what i mean?
Speaker 2: The excuse is the human condition right now, It's like,
Speaker 2: that's that's what it is. It's like, it's irrational, it's selfish, selfish,
Speaker 2: but also it's informed by like and this is this
Speaker 2: is me. I'm not putting blame on these people, but
Speaker 2: it's I think it's a product of you being the
Speaker 2: on the receiving end of a lot of adults and
Speaker 2: people who are there, who are there to protect you,
Speaker 2: who made you feel maybe unprotected.
Speaker 4: At times I felt I felt very alone.
Speaker 1: You know, who looms very large in this book who
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about is Aliyah. Like from
Speaker 1: the very beginning, it feels like there's this moment where
Speaker 1: you go into Barry Hankerson, who was her uncle, yeah,
Speaker 1: and who was you know, the founder of Blackground, and
Speaker 1: you know he obviously is a complicated figure in the
Speaker 1: book and at large. But there was a moment where
Speaker 1: you sing for him and it was their first time
Speaker 1: meeting him, and there's a moment where he says he
Speaker 1: literally saw her spirit, and her spirit told him that
Speaker 1: you were the one to invest in insane, insane, insane.
Speaker 2: I texted him when I got to that part, insane, but.
Speaker 1: That in many ways it's insane because it's like you
Speaker 1: believe that he believed it, but also you also think
Speaker 1: this is a manipulation. Yeah, totally, because there's probably no
Speaker 1: no more, especially when that person is literally at that
Speaker 1: point like a specter, like they're not there. And her
Speaker 1: image is so brandished and utilized for this thing that
Speaker 1: is like you know, of the past, but also will
Speaker 1: always feel contemporary. It's like she is an ideal that
Speaker 1: can never realiz reached, unbelievable. And in the years since
Speaker 1: she's passed, like, I feel like, you know the things
Speaker 1: that have come out about R. Kelly, the things that
Speaker 1: have come out about a lot of people around her,
Speaker 1: I want to know what your relationship to her is today.
Speaker 4: She's an icon. There's no one like she has inspired
Speaker 4: all the girls, myself included, but everyone who's putting out
Speaker 4: music around her time and since then, like she is
Speaker 4: the one, she's the prototype and an amazing actress and
Speaker 4: all around performer. She was about to go on and
Speaker 4: do the Matrix series, I think right like she was,
Speaker 4: and she had just done Queen of the Damned and
Speaker 4: you know, Romeo Must Die and all these things, like
Speaker 4: just unbelievable. I feel so much for her because of
Speaker 4: I know some of her family. You know, in dealing
Speaker 4: with Blackground. That label was founded for her because Barry
Speaker 4: had taken her to every other label and they said,
Speaker 4: she's too young, we don't want to deal with it,
Speaker 4: blah blah blah. Then he was also managing r Kelly
Speaker 4: at the time and he put them together to work together.
Speaker 4: The rest is history in many ways. And she was
Speaker 4: not protected. She was a child, and she you know,
Speaker 4: acted grown and looked grown and was singing grown.
Speaker 1: With look make her look very grown.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And there was this whole mystery and amazing thing
Speaker 4: surrounding her, like her oral was larger than life. In
Speaker 4: the marketing and the music and just everything was perfect.
Speaker 4: But now that I'm an adult, I'm like she was
Speaker 4: not protected. And matter of fact, I know a lot
Speaker 4: of things that I'll never say. And it's just crazy
Speaker 4: all the stuff that's come out with our Kelly, thank God,
Speaker 4: because I heard so many stories. It really was the
Speaker 4: industry's biggest secret, and there were people around that facilitated that.
Speaker 4: And you can, you know, through without me needing to
Speaker 4: say it, know who facilitated that, and you know, it's
Speaker 4: just there's no way around it is disgusting.
Speaker 1: It yeah, really rough.
Speaker 2: And I feel like your connection to her is even
Speaker 2: kind of projected onto the way that like background sort
Speaker 2: of withheld both of your work.
Speaker 1: For so long.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So every label has to do a deal with
Speaker 4: the digital streaming platforms like that was going on when
Speaker 4: kind of the digital streaming revolution was happening and everything
Speaker 4: was changing and people were streaming music as opposed to
Speaker 4: like buying and stuff. So every label, no matter how
Speaker 4: big or small, needed to do individual deals with all
Speaker 4: the DSPs. My former label that Aliyah was on as well,
Speaker 4: and Tony Braxton and Timbland and stuff, they did not
Speaker 4: do deal. They just didn't get to it or they
Speaker 4: just like, you know, they just made interesting business choices
Speaker 4: that I'll never ridiculous, Like I just don't get it.
Speaker 4: So my stuff was not available on streaming. Neither was Alia's.
Speaker 4: Her fans were going crazy online. My fans were going
Speaker 4: crazy online, and I was like, if I can do
Speaker 4: something about my own history legacy being snuffed out, I
Speaker 4: need to try to do something. And so then I
Speaker 4: re recorded my own music. There was no real precedent
Speaker 4: for that. I never hadn't seen that be done before,
Speaker 4: so we just went for it. And then a couple
Speaker 4: of years later they got to doing a street you know,
Speaker 4: a deal with it, and then it just looked like
Speaker 4: I just wanted to re record my music, but it
Speaker 4: was out of necessity.
Speaker 1: And I could tell even then. I was like, this
Speaker 1: must be a thing of like there must be something
Speaker 1: fucked up going on. And the fact that you were
Speaker 1: doing that was like both I'm sure empowering for you,
Speaker 1: but also you have to know, so empowering and fun
Speaker 1: for your fans. Yes, yes, because I'm telling you, I
Speaker 1: hope so, oh god. Yeah. Just first of all, first
Speaker 1: of all, to even have access to it was huge,
Speaker 1: And the second of all is just like, I know,
Speaker 1: you talk a lot in the book about like your
Speaker 1: relationship to your singing voice now versus then, and how
Speaker 1: there is a lot of anxiety around just the way
Speaker 1: the human voice changes.
Speaker 4: For both every seven years, they say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard of this. Well, yeah, you're your entirely,
Speaker 1: you're entirely cellularly replaced seven years. But I think seven
Speaker 1: is vocal. Well, but we're not. None of us are
Speaker 1: scientists the chemist story. No no, no, no, no, I'm
Speaker 1: not so close to a scientist. No no, no, that's
Speaker 1: not true.
Speaker 2: But but yes, like the way you write about in
Speaker 2: the book is so honest too, because you're like, because now,
Speaker 2: I'm sure you love the way your timbre, but it's like,
Speaker 2: I'm sure with the changes as you age, It's like.
Speaker 4: It was weird to accept, of course, because I mean
Speaker 4: my first album, I hadn't got my period, Like I wasn't.
Speaker 3: It wasn't a woman's voice quite literally, yeah, not a girl.
Speaker 4: I was a girl and also not yet a woman
Speaker 4: a woman. Yeah, so yeah, it was weird because I'm like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, people always going to compare my voice
Speaker 4: to a prepubescent voice. Yeah, and now I just don't care.
Speaker 4: I'm just too old for that. I'm too grown.
Speaker 2: I will say like something about the first two albums
Speaker 2: not being on string, and but then the twenty eighteen
Speaker 2: albums being right, like there was like.
Speaker 1: A little they rarely then put the albums.
Speaker 4: On stream exactly, That's what I'm saying. So then then
Speaker 4: it made you look like, yeah, but whatever, I think.
Speaker 2: I've just stayed with the twenty eighteen releases and I
Speaker 2: just prefer those versions, honest dead ass rediction down, like
Speaker 2: like conviction down, fiction down. I'm like, we're listening to
Speaker 2: Baby It's You twenty eighteen. I don't, it's it's just that's.
Speaker 4: A little richer.
Speaker 1: Well, it's just I think it's just better than the
Speaker 1: fact that you still like Baby It's You. I do.
Speaker 1: It's huge for us because we can't.
Speaker 4: Dislike too Little Too Later or leave get out or anything.
Speaker 1: All. I get what you're saying, but like you don't
Speaker 1: really talk about too little too late.
Speaker 4: Because I wanted that.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 4: It's that was my ship, like it was sent to
Speaker 4: my sidekick messenger or whatever, like the demo from her
Speaker 4: last name Cunningham, She's She's Super Dope, and then Billy
Speaker 4: Steinberg and Josh Alexander and it was sent to me
Speaker 4: and I was like, I knew that if I could
Speaker 4: get this song, that that should be my next single.
Speaker 4: To Little Too Late was everything everything.
Speaker 1: I just have to shout out, not that kind of girl.
Speaker 4: Eighteen just better than the original so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, First of all, the way you tore up SWV
Speaker 1: week like as a twelve year old kidding me, had
Speaker 1: absolutely no right. And I was not surprised that the
Speaker 1: girls were reaching out because that had to be who
Speaker 1: from that time was like a singer, singer that reached
Speaker 1: back out that you were especially gagged. It had to
Speaker 1: be a ton of people what like around that time
Speaker 1: when you get introduced.
Speaker 4: To like Brandy, Yeah, I mean that was like no
Speaker 4: better than Chaka Khan. I remember, like I mean, oh,
Speaker 4: Whitney Houston, I mean, send me flowers to Square Garden,
Speaker 4: You're hitting no. When I was performing at like a
Speaker 4: jingle Ball or something, her and her daughter rest in peace.
Speaker 4: Then Bobby Christina, they sent me flowers, and I'll never
Speaker 4: forget that moment.
Speaker 1: That is the ultimate validation as a sing.
Speaker 4: It really is. Actually I don't need anything else, period.
Speaker 2: But like there are so many wonderful moments of the
Speaker 2: Boat Too where you just talk about these like moments
Speaker 2: and these interactions with all these singers like Destiny's Child
Speaker 2: and oh yeah, even like going to Taylor's house to
Speaker 2: Selena and she was like keeping up with the lawsuit
Speaker 2: and so many things.
Speaker 1: Victoria Monet. I love the Victoria Monnet piece because we
Speaker 1: just saw we we're a Victoria fans. Speaking of Big Bro,
Speaker 1: I think I think that she may have made an
Speaker 1: appearance last night sonically.
Speaker 4: I love I have texted her this. I was like,
Speaker 4: I have had some of the moment of my life
Speaker 4: to her musical.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I really have got this fucking moment that
Speaker 1: Arian positions We're big. Oh yeah, yeah, I mean, look,
Speaker 1: her hand on all contemporary R and B pop music
Speaker 1: is monumental. And we saw her at Coachella. She killed it.
Speaker 4: Of course, she's a force. I could not be happier
Speaker 4: for her. No one deserves it more. And she's a mother.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 4: I'm just in awe just to.
Speaker 1: See, like by the industry standards like someone quote unquote
Speaker 1: older or like up in years.
Speaker 4: No, it's fire.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's amazing.
Speaker 4: Mid thirties, looking better than anyone in the world.
Speaker 1: Yep. And it's just it's aesthetic is so you can
Speaker 1: just tell it's someone who has, you know, for better
Speaker 1: or worse. I'm sure coming up, it felt like, when
Speaker 1: is it going to be my turn? But now that
Speaker 1: it's like she can have this fully realized like visual
Speaker 1: like sonic, you know, emotional identity and what she's doing,
Speaker 1: that feels really satisfying.
Speaker 4: But that's the exact word that I'd use to describe it.
Speaker 4: It's satisfying because of all the thoughtfulness, the attention to detail.
Speaker 4: She spared no expense, she put everything into this. I
Speaker 4: love Jaguar one and two. I'm just so here for
Speaker 4: everything that she does. Like, I trust her as an
Speaker 4: artist so much, and she's such a beautiful person, and
Speaker 4: I know so many people that are in her orbit,
Speaker 4: and I've you know, known her a little bit throughout
Speaker 4: the years, and she's just it's so cool to see her.
Speaker 2: I was with your former castmates Liz Gillies and Frankie
Speaker 2: Grande during those Grammys. We were at Ari's whenever named
Speaker 2: drop but then but watching her win, like Ari Burser tears. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like when Victoria won the Grammy, it was just like
Speaker 2: everyone on Liz and frank it just everyone was just
Speaker 2: like this. They were just turning me belink. You have
Speaker 2: no idea, no idea. This girl deserves it more than anybody.
Speaker 4: So yeah, so when she was on the fifth Harmony
Speaker 4: tour that I was on too, and just to see
Speaker 4: how humble she was, she was grateful for the opportunity
Speaker 4: just kind of doing her thing. I think she had
Speaker 4: written for them or was working with them, and and
Speaker 4: I'll never forget, you know, just heard how she just
Speaker 4: had a fan on her, just like a fan blowing
Speaker 4: her hair, and she learned how to do all the
Speaker 4: things behind the scenes. And it's just truly the best
Speaker 4: story ever.
Speaker 2: I mean, as we're talking about her, like, it just
Speaker 2: makes me excited for Porcelain and for everything that's coming
Speaker 2: with you because because Sagittary Sun, Aquarius Moon, Yes, and
Speaker 2: that made sense for me, sad sad, because it made
Speaker 2: sense to me just because you have this thing in
Speaker 2: the book where you're like I was always told I
Speaker 2: was like left of center, that you always have these
Speaker 2: experimental ideas, and that's like, that's the Aquarius, I think.
Speaker 2: And then I'm also like, I think you're one of
Speaker 2: those people where it's like like Charlie popping off recently,
Speaker 2: it's like, oh no, the industry had to catch up
Speaker 2: to that, you know what I mean, I feel that
Speaker 2: way with you. I feel that way with you where
Speaker 2: it's like now that we're in this like really experimental
Speaker 2: place with music and with R and B and with
Speaker 2: pop and dance and all these other things, it's like
Speaker 2: it's like you like you're going to meet that moment,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I'm so inspired by everything that I see and the
Speaker 4: people that you just named, Like it's even I've been
Speaker 4: doing this a long time. It really fills me with
Speaker 4: a lot of energy to see that and to keep
Speaker 4: believing for myself too that like if you are true
Speaker 4: to your artistic vision, you are clear about it, like
Speaker 4: build it and they will come and the right people
Speaker 4: will come, and it can take time, but you know,
Speaker 4: just to keep that faith is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a long game.
Speaker 2: It's a long game, and we're talking about the culture.
Speaker 2: I think it's time, asked Joe to the question.
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean it is. I'm just like sitting here
Speaker 1: like and I'm just thinking about like all the times
Speaker 1: you were like all I wanted to do was do
Speaker 1: my vision and they stop me. And I was just
Speaker 1: thinking like about how authenticity is while people are truly
Speaker 1: responding to right now, and there's it's such a great time,
Speaker 1: Like no one can tell you or anyone now that
Speaker 1: like oh, R and B isn't what's in. That's not
Speaker 1: the way we should take pop. It has to be
Speaker 1: pop rock, it has to be pop dance or whatever.
Speaker 1: We're in such an eclectic.
Speaker 4: Time and what is a genre even?
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying is it's like it feels like
Speaker 1: a really ripe time. And like, speaking of time, we'll
Speaker 1: go back in it and we'll ask you the question,
Speaker 1: ask what is the culture that made you say? Culture
Speaker 1: was for you?
Speaker 4: Okay, I hope I understand this question correctly.
Speaker 1: It's okay that you don't give.
Speaker 4: You my interpretation. Diva's Live.
Speaker 1: Thank you for anyone said it Diva's If they have,
Speaker 1: they haven't said it today.
Speaker 4: Okay, I know that's right. That that was everything for me,
Speaker 4: Seeing like Mariah and Shanaiah and Shaka and Celine and
Speaker 4: Whitney and all of these women they used to do.
Speaker 1: It every year. I was like, why did they stop?
Speaker 1: They have to do it again me?
Speaker 4: That was everything for me. It made me feel so
Speaker 4: alive and I was like, oh, I want like a
Speaker 4: little bit of this one and this one, and like
Speaker 4: one day I want to.
Speaker 1: Be like that talk about genres are coming together. I
Speaker 1: mean they represented everybody.
Speaker 4: Was Bonnie right there. You know, it's just yeah, so cool,
Speaker 4: and I feel like now would be a great time
Speaker 4: to bring that back. I think amazing they did something
Speaker 4: I did like a Divas Live Chris this thing a
Speaker 4: few years ago, and that was that was sick. But
Speaker 4: really the heyday was in the late nineties. Yes, I
Speaker 4: was a little cherub, Yes, sitting and putting in my
Speaker 4: VHS tape, taping it and watching it back over and
Speaker 4: over again.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, oh that was the That was truly the moment.
Speaker 1: I remember. It was like the first one they ever did.
Speaker 1: Mariah came out first and she did I think my
Speaker 1: all and then Make It Happen. Do you know I
Speaker 1: saw it on your playlist for the album for the book,
Speaker 1: I mean, like it, make it Happen was on your
Speaker 1: looking I don't know how many times I tell you
Speaker 1: I'm a fan, I love you, I love you back,
Speaker 1: I loved you from jump like I mean, like but
Speaker 1: I get And also calling back to her book, she
Speaker 1: talks about you know, she has such a relationship with
Speaker 1: that song because it was truly a documentation of where
Speaker 1: she was at like hitting the pavements, and you know
Speaker 1: that that's why she included it that night, said.
Speaker 4: What not more than three short years ago. I was
Speaker 4: abandoned so very young, and so I took the shoes
Speaker 4: the shoes. Sometimes I couldn't even I often cried myself
Speaker 4: to sleep, so I had to keep on going, never
Speaker 4: knowing if I could take it, if I could make it.
Speaker 1: She's bridging, and then.
Speaker 2: At the end she is way lay yeah out. I
Speaker 2: had all the instruments and it's just like the drum,
Speaker 2: it's just percussion, but like everything roaring, she's just raw
Speaker 2: because she is preaching.
Speaker 4: She is preaching me as like a six year old girl.
Speaker 4: Was like just I don't know why I needed that
Speaker 4: injected into my veins in that way.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but Diva's Live was like giving you a
Speaker 2: fucking buffet, you know what I mean. That's what we
Speaker 2: need to bring back. It's like get all them on
Speaker 2: the same stage, and you want to know.
Speaker 1: What to It created iconic moments in the culture, such
Speaker 1: as Selena and Aretha doing their sing off at the end.
Speaker 1: I reversial amongst the girls like Mariah like, you know,
Speaker 1: feel some way about it, I think, but like who
Speaker 1: won that though, I don't think we can confidently say
Speaker 1: there was a winner.
Speaker 4: I hear you, but like, wasn't one of them kind
Speaker 4: of like just unaffected by it. Some were playing.
Speaker 1: Think Selene was just in playful mode. I love her
Speaker 1: so much, so much for that. But then you could
Speaker 1: see some other ladies were like in reverent mode. Like
Speaker 1: Mariah truly was in reverent mode. She was like, you
Speaker 1: don't go up to Aretha and challenge and that's how
Speaker 1: I feel, right, And but Selene, I think maybe because
Speaker 1: like Selene maybe culturally didn't come up in a place
Speaker 1: of like, well she's Canadian, right and sings like a
Speaker 1: different genre. I guess you could say. And then like so,
Speaker 1: but I think like it was just funny to hear
Speaker 1: about later like that Mariah felt like that that was
Speaker 1: like this, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, let her have them
Speaker 1: the Queen of so she is why we're here. In fact,
Speaker 1: they built that night around her period. They had to
Speaker 1: turn all the off. This is an iconic thing. Did
Speaker 1: you know about this? She will not sing with air conditioning,
Speaker 1: and so the air conditioning was turned off. I mean
Speaker 1: it was very hot.
Speaker 4: Good for the question.
Speaker 1: Now you can see in this by everyone's footage that
Speaker 1: I everyone they like as if it was church.
Speaker 4: If you want another memoir to read her, it was
Speaker 4: written by Dave Ritz and he interviewed her over years,
Speaker 4: and it's Aretha's memoir. It is so good, really interesting.
Speaker 4: I had no idea what her childhood was like. And
Speaker 4: her father was a creep a famous pastor, mad creepy,
Speaker 4: but really amazing, especially if you guys love Aretha.
Speaker 1: Were you like researching a lot of other.
Speaker 4: I was reading a lot of memoirs in the past
Speaker 4: couple of years. When I was thinking about writing one,
Speaker 4: I'm like, let me just get this all in my
Speaker 4: brain so I can see.
Speaker 1: You must have read Mariah's Yes, truly, I.
Speaker 4: Mean, and her audiobook is really what is so good?
Speaker 1: Are you doing yours? Of course? Of course, and we
Speaker 1: better hear you singing that.
Speaker 4: I still don't know if legally they were able to
Speaker 4: clear with the publishing I just cracked my hand on here.
Speaker 1: I kind of.
Speaker 4: Satisfaction, very satisfying. So yeah, I hope that they were
Speaker 4: able to get clearance because I did sing the words
Speaker 4: and the stuff, So we'll see.
Speaker 1: Oh, we hoped that would be good. I mean, did
Speaker 1: you have emotional moments reading it was there parts that
Speaker 1: were very difficult to get through.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I did it over the course of like
Speaker 4: five days. It was like five hours a day for
Speaker 4: five days.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a lot.
Speaker 4: It was cool, It was cool. I'm glad. I couldn't
Speaker 4: have let it go down with anybody else reading it
Speaker 4: that had been so weird. I have a pretty nice
Speaker 4: speaking voice. I felt like I could do it, So.
Speaker 1: We love hearing your voice. But but so in terms
Speaker 1: of like the divas live of it all, we have
Speaker 1: to know if there's five today, and yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: thing is there has to be. I guess it's like
Speaker 1: you have to build it around Beyonce, right.
Speaker 4: You have to build it around Beyonce. Ariana y Ariana.
Speaker 1: I want Yeah, maybe Adele. I always put Kelly out there.
Speaker 4: Kelly.
Speaker 1: Kelly Carson can sing.
Speaker 4: There's only one. Now I need a country person, Carrie.
Speaker 1: I suppose it's Carrie. She certainly can sing like a motherfucker. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I have a berries trainer who I literally have to
Speaker 1: stop working out every time because he goes after this,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be looking like Carrie Underwood And it's just
Speaker 1: the gayest I mean has now becoming celebrity on the
Speaker 1: podcast he needs to be on like but like literally,
Speaker 1: like he always to say, after this, our thighs are
Speaker 1: gonna like carry underwood and I have to put my
Speaker 1: ways down because I'm like, you are so gay. It's
Speaker 1: the best because no one gets it.
Speaker 2: Like the women you everybody knows I've ever seen is
Speaker 2: that like factotum, she really shows them off on the
Speaker 2: album covers.
Speaker 1: Okay, she could be you just cast that like in
Speaker 1: two seconds.
Speaker 4: I mean you starting with Beyonce and then me with
Speaker 4: Ari and then ale I mean from there.
Speaker 1: We haven't even said the word Jennifer Hudson, you know who.
Speaker 4: Also, I mean miss n I rap oh love, Renee
Speaker 4: kills it. There's so many, There's just so many.
Speaker 1: And isn't that amazing?
Speaker 4: Is it's just like it's a good time.
Speaker 1: It's a really good good like also like you have
Speaker 1: on good to know? Yeah, come watching her moment now,
Speaker 1: Like I.
Speaker 4: Really feel like that's the song of the summer nasty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I know.
Speaker 4: It's a controversial topic of what is the song?
Speaker 2: People this year it's harder than ever had we had
Speaker 2: a really good summer.
Speaker 4: I mean espresso for me it's between Espresso and Nasty.
Speaker 1: I think we have to give it to Espresso just
Speaker 1: because of the ubiquity and the fact that it announced
Speaker 1: Sabrina Carpenter in this way that it feels like we're
Speaker 1: never going back now, is it? And it feels like
Speaker 1: Espresso was the most so nasty. Good luck babe, good
Speaker 1: luck babe.
Speaker 2: Birds a feather like there. I mean, it was a
Speaker 2: great summer. Like this is like there's a ground swell
Speaker 2: happening in music right now and like there's room for everything,
Speaker 2: and like fuck, like I don't know, like it's exciting
Speaker 2: and like it's just really exciting me that you're you're
Speaker 2: putting up.
Speaker 1: When do you think we'll get it?
Speaker 4: I think really soon.
Speaker 1: You think you want to clear mulan rouge and then
Speaker 1: maybe put it out or you want to, like.
Speaker 4: What I'm thinking, get myself a little, Yeah, let her
Speaker 4: cook a little, you know. But yeah, I've been sitting
Speaker 4: on this, this song for a little bit and just
Speaker 4: wanting to like make sure I got my business in
Speaker 4: order so it can come out and do the thing.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I'm eager.
Speaker 1: Are you is it? Indie? Now? Like are just still
Speaker 1: on your.
Speaker 4: Your over It's on Clover little distro situation, and it's
Speaker 4: it's cool, it's different. It's like, I respect so much
Speaker 4: how Tanache has rolled it out. When you're bringing on
Speaker 4: people and you're doing it independent, but you it's it's
Speaker 4: not for the faint of heart. It's actually a lot
Speaker 4: to learn from doing India.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to pick your brain after this, actually yeah,
Speaker 1: please do Yeah, but anyway, uh, can you give us
Speaker 1: some If you had to describe the new music in
Speaker 1: three words.
Speaker 4: Flirting with pop is three words, perfect.
Speaker 1: Delicious, little hooks. But there's nothing like pop R and
Speaker 1: B music. There's nothing like it. It's why I love
Speaker 1: you so much. Yeah, I just love people who really
Speaker 1: fucking mean what they're singing. And pop music is not trash.
Speaker 1: Pop music actually is very powerful because it gets in
Speaker 1: people's ears. And when you have a meaningful demure, meaning
Speaker 1: like what is it called mindful? If you have a
Speaker 1: mindful singer doing pop music, That's why Sabrina Olivia Rodriguo,
Speaker 1: that's why these girls are killing it because they mean
Speaker 1: what they're singing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and imagine that feel it. Yeah, their song writers
Speaker 4: and they are whether they're writing it themselves, they're collaborating
Speaker 4: doesn't matter. These are their stories and that's why they connect.
Speaker 4: And there's no way to like whatever labels they're signed to.
Speaker 4: Are so lucky to have them because you can't fabricate
Speaker 4: that they are real. They are authentic.
Speaker 1: These girls Chapel too.
Speaker 4: I think Yea is a beast.
Speaker 1: Beast like that bridge on good Luck, Babe. We haven't
Speaker 1: seen a bridge like that since disaster.
Speaker 4: Guys, I'm gonna be honest with you, this is embarrassing,
Speaker 4: but like I am not deep into the Chapel canon.
Speaker 4: I don't know the world. Yeah, I need to give
Speaker 4: it time. Sure, sure you're gonna like that. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: dive in tomorrow when I'm at the theater. I'm gonna listen.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna think of.
Speaker 1: You both, you think of us and send us to
Speaker 1: sex because there's real writing on there. And she's got
Speaker 1: a beautiful voice. I remember. So we were just talking
Speaker 1: the other day about like when I first went to
Speaker 1: go see her at the Fonda, and she she had
Speaker 1: this unbelievable voice and her energy on stage. The way
Speaker 1: I described it was like Annie Lennox meets Kesha, like
Speaker 1: this like super like conceptual, like weird drag persona that's
Speaker 1: like very fun forward, but this voice from like someplace.
Speaker 2: Else, Yeah, like channeling something where I feel like you
Speaker 2: were channeling something like I feel like.
Speaker 1: I'm pitching to her.
Speaker 4: Okay, you at the yes, my pinstripe pants are.
Speaker 3: Exactly giving, exactly like I'm sold on her. You don't
Speaker 3: need to do it tomorrow. You know this might make
Speaker 3: or brink her. I have to ask you about Iceland.
Speaker 1: To Iceland.
Speaker 2: Then I went to work there and one of my
Speaker 2: favorite experiences of my life.
Speaker 3: Really, where did you you went to Blue Lagoon?
Speaker 1: Which is iconic? I went to Sky Lagoon?
Speaker 4: Okay, I was looking at that one too.
Speaker 1: Really good.
Speaker 2: If you go again, I just think what a beautiful place.
Speaker 2: Didn't feel like Mars, Like, yeah, you feel like you're
Speaker 2: on another planet. The nature is like so unbelievable, Like
Speaker 2: that's where they shot like Interstellar and stuff. It's like,
Speaker 2: where can we go in the world? That makes underrated
Speaker 2: film by the way.
Speaker 1: Really underrated film. Anyway. That's a good edible on your
Speaker 1: day off watch do you still fuck with weed? No?
Speaker 4: It scares me right now, it scares you. Not the
Speaker 4: season for me, for us.
Speaker 1: I get you from marijuana totally see, and we were
Speaker 1: just talking about how you both need to take a
Speaker 1: step back because we're actually our proper Stoners. But the
Speaker 1: thing is, I know sometimes though, like just sitting in
Speaker 1: front in front of an Interstellar like it really was,
Speaker 1: and that's a movie I sob Oh my god, what
Speaker 1: movie makes you cry the hardest?
Speaker 4: Interstellar? I definitely cried for that too.
Speaker 1: Rival. Have you seen that one?
Speaker 4: I haven't seen that. I haven't seen that.
Speaker 1: First of all, Amy Adams is that girl and no one,
Speaker 1: no one can ever say anything to me because she's
Speaker 1: deserved in an oscar several times. Arrival is her best performance.
Speaker 1: It's just it's so beautiful when you really get to
Speaker 1: what it's about, Like it's one of those movies that's like, is.
Speaker 4: It about space too?
Speaker 1: So it's an alien movie, it's an alien encounter movie.
Speaker 1: She plays someone who is like a linguistics professor who
Speaker 1: they bring into communicate with these aliens who they don't
Speaker 1: know what the aliens want.
Speaker 4: And I already have chills.
Speaker 1: So you find out that their concept of time is
Speaker 1: very different, and that speaks to a situation that she
Speaker 1: goes through, and it is an absolutely beautiful message and
Speaker 1: it is one of the great films. That way an
Speaker 1: evil move who did the Dune films directed it. Yeah. Visually,
Speaker 1: very beautiful, very brand new in terms of like yeah,
Speaker 1: like just the way that the creatures are designed, like
Speaker 1: I thought.
Speaker 4: You do get to see the creatures, you do.
Speaker 1: You intimately see them.
Speaker 4: It's not like a big bro little brother.
Speaker 1: They made me shot Heaven like the video productry doesn't
Speaker 1: know me, and so I feel like he just understood
Speaker 1: who I was in a moment, and that's sort of
Speaker 1: that's just gonna when they realize my candor Hello, Hello,
Speaker 1: So which ones of the boys in Mulan Rouge do
Speaker 1: you think should date us?
Speaker 4: I love this question?
Speaker 1: Do you really? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Are you both single? Do you want me to?
Speaker 1: By the way, can you give it up for this cover?
Speaker 1: This cover is really good. It came in the mail.
Speaker 1: I took it out of the album. I was like,
Speaker 1: I gass, be honest, not gas. I gassed. You were sent.
Speaker 1: You were probably send a bunch of photos from the shoot.
Speaker 1: When you saw this, you were like, that's her, That's.
Speaker 4: Be honest with you. I did the shoot myself in London.
Speaker 4: We did a whole other shoot. It was just me
Speaker 4: and Ronaldo, who does social stuff. He's he's worked, he's
Speaker 4: been on my team for a long time. We love
Speaker 4: Ronaldo and it was just me, him and the photographer
Speaker 4: in London. I did a whole other shoot with my
Speaker 4: book company. Hated hated it, huh and just went back
Speaker 4: to this shoe and was like, sorry, guys, I know
Speaker 4: you just paid for this whole thing, but like, look
Speaker 4: at this picture.
Speaker 1: This is a beautiful thing.
Speaker 4: Let's let'sten to that.
Speaker 1: See. And also you talk a lot in the book about, like,
Speaker 1: you know, the way that you have been packaged and
Speaker 1: the photos that they've chosen and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: Stupid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but like you know what, that is empowering
Speaker 1: because you're like, I'm gonna tell my story. I'm also
Speaker 1: gonna pick the fucking photo. Yeah.
Speaker 4: It just had to be that. Yeah, come on, come on,
Speaker 4: We've been doing this too long.
Speaker 1: To say, you know, we're over the influence. I just
Speaker 1: love it. I love it so much. It might be
Speaker 1: time for I don't think so. I don't think so money. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we are. We've arrived at that part of the
Speaker 1: episode where we take sixty seconds to rant against something
Speaker 1: in culture that is bothering us a little bit. Now
Speaker 1: today I'm not going to be so cultural. I'm going
Speaker 1: to talk about something a little personal. And I feel
Speaker 1: like this episode I've been very bodily, and that's not
Speaker 1: gonna stop. Bodily. Bodily. I've been bodily my vocabulary. I've
Speaker 1: been talking about Big Bro what he sort of makes
Speaker 1: my body do. I'm going to talk about what's another
Speaker 1: thing that's happening with my body?
Speaker 2: Uh oh, coming out a different end. No, stop, this
Speaker 2: is Matt Rogers. I don't think so many as time
Speaker 2: starts now, I.
Speaker 1: Don't think so honey. Why is my one foot all
Speaker 1: of a sudden bigger than my other foot? Is? I
Speaker 1: swear to God, if someone can explain to me what
Speaker 1: is happening? Please. The other night, we were out of wedding,
Speaker 1: I wore some nice shoes. I have these nice boots,
Speaker 1: and I put one foot in one shoe, another foot
Speaker 1: in another shoe, and I realize the one shoe doesn't fit.
Speaker 1: Cut to about three weeks ago, we're with our stylists
Speaker 1: getting ready for a thing we're doing, and I put
Speaker 1: my shoe in one of the I put my foot
Speaker 1: in one of the shoes and it's the same thing.
Speaker 1: So now it's not even discriminating on it's just this
Speaker 1: pair of shoes, like maybe something happened to these leather boots. No,
Speaker 1: it's my foot. Is it the fact that I'm on
Speaker 1: a treadmill a lot? What is happening to stop my feet? Well,
Speaker 1: you put freaks out there, bang out. We can talk
Speaker 1: not against it anyway. Why is my one foot bigger
Speaker 1: than the other? Suddenly, I don't think so, honey, that's
Speaker 1: one man? Anyone is it in every seven years thing? Actually?
Speaker 1: Do you know why one so there is.
Speaker 4: I'm not a doctor and you're not, then shut.
Speaker 1: Up bigger than It's like when women are like, my
Speaker 1: one tit and I do have that you have one
Speaker 1: bigger tit than the other. I've got one bigger tip.
Speaker 4: I need to explore see which one is bigger.
Speaker 1: It's like, I guess it makes sense. It makes and
Speaker 1: I'm literally, as I'm talking right now, I'm realizing my
Speaker 1: one foot just feels bigger. I also think, you know
Speaker 1: what I think I have? So every single morning, when
Speaker 1: I wake up, the back like above my heel feels sore,
Speaker 1: and when I get up, I'm like when I walk,
Speaker 1: I'm like oh, oh, I think I have achilles. I
Speaker 1: think I have that to.
Speaker 4: Achilles thing is.
Speaker 1: Tender right and sore. And when I was feeling the one,
Speaker 1: especially on the right, I was like, is there a
Speaker 1: little bit of a bump here?
Speaker 4: Inserts for our shoes? Is that where we're at?
Speaker 1: Suddenly you're identifying al It took me was It's like
Speaker 1: achilles tendonitis. And I think I think you'all did to
Speaker 1: go to the diatress. No, that's you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: That is foot tea, foot tea. I wish my foot was. See,
Speaker 1: my foot is not tea. My body's been kind of lily.
Speaker 1: My foot is not tea. Everybody is stop, We'll just
Speaker 1: tell any one of those absolutely stacked dancers. Yeah. Actually,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, sometimes I'm like I like
Speaker 1: them all, okay, the one you talked about. But also
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm like, if a guy like that was interested
Speaker 1: in me, I don't even know if I would know
Speaker 1: what to do with Now. I know, I'm sure figure
Speaker 1: it out, but like, wow, like I used to say,
Speaker 1: like my idea would be with a Broadway dancer, and
Speaker 1: that still holds true. It's still it's true, But it's
Speaker 1: like it's like a little intimidating these men are. Let
Speaker 1: them lead. They know what they're doing, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Let them hear that, Let them lead, Let
Speaker 1: them lead. It's actually really coaching number nineteen. Let them lead,
Speaker 1: they know what they're doing. Re Broadway dancers. So that's
Speaker 1: If anyone out there can tell me why my one
Speaker 1: foot is suddenly bigger than the other end wasn't always,
Speaker 1: that'll be amazing. And yes, I check the sizing of
Speaker 1: the shoe and they wear the same size. It's not
Speaker 1: the shoe. Not the shoe, you say, Laurent. You continue
Speaker 1: to do wonderful work. A shoe I was gifted dinner.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Yes, that wasn't a flex, but so
Speaker 1: what if it was? So what if it was? I'm sorry, okay, ready,
Speaker 1: I'm ready. This will be Bow and Yang's. I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. And if I can find my stopwatch, wait,
Speaker 1: oh there it is. Sometimes I get confused and I
Speaker 1: go to the calculator one instead of the clock. They're similar.
Speaker 1: Oh that's and I don't think so money right there,
Speaker 1: design flaw apple, are you listening, Hey, this is the
Speaker 1: one thing I don't think so, honey. As time starts now,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 2: Why is women's tennis best out of three and men's
Speaker 2: tennis best out of five? I just learned that this
Speaker 2: weekend after going to the Open. That doesn't make any
Speaker 2: sense to me. I want to see the women play
Speaker 2: a little longer, if anything. But if we're striving for
Speaker 2: gender parody, then I think we might as well just
Speaker 2: make up the same rules.
Speaker 1: Everything else is the same. Why could the number of
Speaker 1: sets be the same. I cannot believe what I was seeing.
Speaker 1: I was seeing Pagoula go against.
Speaker 2: Swy techy tech Okay, that was a thrilling game, and
Speaker 2: then that and admits too soon, and then I goes,
Speaker 2: I just see mister Sinner go up against what's his face?
Speaker 1: Taylor Fritz? Not Taylor Fritz at the quarter final?
Speaker 2: It was it was someone else. But I was just like,
Speaker 2: I think I would have preferred to watch the.
Speaker 1: Women play longer. Yeah, I'm a news I get it now. Fifteen.
Speaker 2: I lost so much time in my life not standing tennis.
Speaker 2: Now I finally do sports are back, y'all. I mean,
Speaker 2: this Olympics really lit a fire under my ass. Now
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm second it on every damn, I'm doing
Speaker 2: a little wars around the house.
Speaker 1: I'm putting the game on. That's why, Menda, this is
Speaker 1: our big sports.
Speaker 4: Year in the game to see it for you, and
Speaker 4: I want to put the game on too. When I
Speaker 4: saw Challengers, that's when.
Speaker 1: I first of all round of applause, so good.
Speaker 4: So hot, loved it. But then I started taking tennis
Speaker 4: lessons because I'm like, I want a tennis bae. I
Speaker 4: think that's a sexy thing. I did watch none of
Speaker 4: the US Open.
Speaker 1: Where did I go?
Speaker 4: It's not okay and it needs to change next year.
Speaker 1: I haven't watch any either, except when we went to
Speaker 1: the men's final and I didn't even know who Tyler
Speaker 1: Fritz was. He in fact competed in the final of
Speaker 1: the US Men's Open.
Speaker 4: I've been thinking about this all night long.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is really good. Okay, so this is Joe's
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, Joanna, Jojo Levesque. Her time
Speaker 1: starts now.
Speaker 4: I don't think so honey. Why do you say? I
Speaker 4: don't know if either of you say it like this important?
Speaker 4: When did people start doing it like that? Is this
Speaker 4: a Kardashian speak? And like the slow down and that
Speaker 4: everything up. Also, do I speak like this now? Like
Speaker 4: people speaking like they're from this region that doesn't exist,
Speaker 4: or like you know what I mean, it's like it
Speaker 4: no longer, and I think it's because of I think
Speaker 4: it's La not not LA's fault, but it is probably
Speaker 4: keeping up with the Kardashian's fault, right, Yeah, the slow
Speaker 4: speak the and I'm sorry if I don't. I don't
Speaker 4: know who speaks this way, but I started seeing it.
Speaker 4: It reminds me of like the demure and stuff like that,
Speaker 4: but like important, yes, yeah, when did we start breaking
Speaker 4: like this? It's beautiful? I like it. It makes me
Speaker 4: feel good in a little asmri and tingly. But but
Speaker 4: what inspired us to speak this way?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 4: And also like it's interesting when I have to ask
Speaker 4: people like where are you from? Because you just sound
Speaker 4: like a Kardashian, right, I mean, so, how am I
Speaker 4: going to fill up these last three seconds? Do I
Speaker 4: sound like this too? Am I aware of what I
Speaker 4: sound like? Anyway?
Speaker 1: That's one minute you are. You've really pinpointed something that
Speaker 1: has bothered me so much, And this is why it's
Speaker 1: a great I don't think so, honey, because I've never
Speaker 1: said it out loud. There are people who be like
Speaker 1: important important, Yeah, they will hit all that and sometimes
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know, is it like an accent?
Speaker 1: Is there just like is there a regionalism where I
Speaker 1: don't want to like be like why are you saying
Speaker 1: it like that? But it's enough people now where I'm like,
Speaker 1: what's happening?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a trend.
Speaker 2: I think can you both can you both say the
Speaker 2: word as you would say important important?
Speaker 4: And I don't think that's correct.
Speaker 1: I think that is correct. First of all, they're going
Speaker 1: to be like not not a mask important important, it's
Speaker 1: important important.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I've been called out because I say, I say picture,
Speaker 1: like picture, picture, and I say, remember, like member, how
Speaker 1: do you say museum?
Speaker 2: Do I say it weird that you actually say it
Speaker 2: in thet way? Museum, museum, music, museum, like it's museum.
Speaker 1: How do you say it museum?
Speaker 4: Um, museum, but that's just being museum.
Speaker 1: How do you how do you say? How do you
Speaker 1: say that the thing of a house a roof?
Speaker 4: Okay, but my granddad used to say a rough rough.
Speaker 1: But I say I say a rum Yeah, I say
Speaker 1: I'm going to my room. How do you go to
Speaker 1: my room, this room. How do you say the video
Speaker 1: game character that wears a red hat.
Speaker 4: Mario Mario, I'm on island.
Speaker 1: I am like, if that's the thing, is like, if
Speaker 1: I ever get a little angry or a little drunk,
Speaker 1: he comes out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, my Boston self comes out. And it's like I've
Speaker 4: lived in l A a long time, but when I get
Speaker 4: drunk or angry, it's coming out.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You absolutely said Wicked earlier. Yeah, and you weren't
Speaker 1: talking about it. Remember four film? Are you excited? Oh
Speaker 1: my god?
Speaker 4: Am I excited?
Speaker 1: Have you seen that? No?
Speaker 4: I saw it in the West End, so I.
Speaker 1: Have seen it.
Speaker 2: So funny, I'm sorry, funny because they really dig it
Speaker 2: because they speak in British accents in that show.
Speaker 1: It's so funny.
Speaker 2: Just like just the difference is so popular. Yaw, it's like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, sure that works.
Speaker 1: You know. There's been so the Wicked trailers have come out,
Speaker 1: and I want to say, if you want to and
Speaker 1: this is I'm just saying it. The best Wicked trailer
Speaker 1: yet is the Italian Wicked trailer. The other night, I
Speaker 1: gotta watch it. I don't know why internationally trailers are
Speaker 1: different than domestic trailers, but for some reason, they will
Speaker 1: send out different versions of different cuts of entire trailers.
Speaker 1: I guess to market the film differently. I think my opinion,
Speaker 1: and I don't know this America audiences don't want to
Speaker 1: know that it's a musical. Well America, it's the studios
Speaker 1: don't like to tell people that it's a musical because
Speaker 1: they believe if audiences know something as a musical, they
Speaker 1: won't come. So a lot of times they try to
Speaker 1: make the movie look like a Marvel movie or like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's.
Speaker 4: They tried to hide that The Mean Girl's Reboot was
Speaker 4: a music. Yes, they did try awareness until later, Yes, and.
Speaker 1: Then it was full on, which is in fact, the
Speaker 1: reason it existed is because there was the musical on
Speaker 1: Broadway and then it was this. But they what they
Speaker 1: will do, I think, or what they're doing with the
Speaker 1: Wicked trailer is I think they assume that maybe a
Speaker 1: lot of people in America know the story, and so
Speaker 1: they're just building an around big set pieces and like
Speaker 1: trying to capitalize on the fact that this is a
Speaker 1: story about two women who support each other, whereas like
Speaker 1: the Italian trailer kind of tells the story a little
Speaker 1: bit more about the fact that they are actually at
Speaker 1: odds throughout most of it, because you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like I think there's something more international happening with the
Speaker 1: way they're trying to get the story across okay, and
Speaker 1: then the American trailer, in my opinion, is more capitalizing
Speaker 1: on look at how beautiful this looks. These are the stars,
Speaker 1: you know, everyone gets sort of a little moment, whereas
Speaker 1: like the other trailer is like, this is the narrative
Speaker 1: that you'll be seeing unfold, so interesting, depending on what
Speaker 1: I guess people need to decide if they're going to
Speaker 1: buy a ticket, which I don't know what's in dispute,
Speaker 1: it's wicked, Like.
Speaker 4: Do you speak Italian or how do you know like
Speaker 4: what's being narrated as far as the trailer or you
Speaker 4: just know from the way they're piecing it together.
Speaker 1: Subtitles are amazing thing.
Speaker 4: Subtitles wow especial roller coaster number one hundred amazing, one
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty years old. I'm not familiar with do you.
Speaker 1: Do you know? But if you're one hundred and fifty,
Speaker 1: then do you ever like when you're watching TV? Do
Speaker 1: you do the subtitles?
Speaker 4: Because because my vision is impaired because I'm in my
Speaker 4: mid thirties, so I need the help I can.
Speaker 1: What a journey we've been on this episode, the.
Speaker 4: Whole bridge that I crossed to accept when you.
Speaker 1: Said you wouldn't accept it now you've identified as elderly.
Speaker 1: Well except yeah, Command War. This episode has aged you,
Speaker 1: but in a beautiful way. Thank you. You've told your
Speaker 1: story and what not just here on the episode, but
Speaker 1: in this amazing book September seventeenth, Over the Influence. Wow,
Speaker 1: this is really you did such an amazing job. And
Speaker 1: what I will say is, I know you didn't use
Speaker 1: a ghostwriter, which had to be scary and like and
Speaker 1: a lot, but I will say, what an amazing choice
Speaker 1: because you know this came from you, and in that way,
Speaker 1: it's a real page turner because you there's no pretense
Speaker 1: and there's no dilly delling, and there's no obviously there's editing,
Speaker 1: but there's no editing. You know. What I'm saying is
Speaker 1: it's like this is this is it feels like what happened.
Speaker 1: And I just really fucking respect you even more than
Speaker 1: I already did because of how beautifully you told this,
Speaker 1: and I thank you for it.
Speaker 4: Thank you for gassing me up this whole episode. You guys,
Speaker 4: I am about to go out and take over the world.
Speaker 1: Y'all?
Speaker 4: Thank you?
Speaker 1: Can they call us too well to call us Molly pills,
Speaker 1: Molly Pills, Molly Pills. No, no, no no, we're just
Speaker 1: trying to I was trying to deflect the compliment and
Speaker 1: I ended up being silly. But the fact is, we
Speaker 1: fucking we love it absolutely.
Speaker 4: I adore you. I'm honored to be sitting on this
Speaker 4: burn orange velvet vels. Okay, guys, I'm a fucking last couch.
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Speaker 1: We saw the door. And the fact is we end
Speaker 1: every episode with a song.
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Speaker 5: the same, you know, it's just too little to lay Wow.
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