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Speaker 1: You fully are on Lost Coach, and it's our honor.

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Speaker 4: I definitely took Are you familiar with propranolol?

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Speaker 1: Literally, people like I don't even need to try.

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Speaker 4: Who really pulls at my heart string?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that like shouty singing. I realize that's so earnest

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Speaker 4: Did you think that the songs would be different because

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, I knew that the songs would be different,

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Speaker 2: Like, I think it's a very good intention because it's

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Speaker 1: and that's fully replaced by Katie Perry Firework, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: It does take you there. Her duke was creepy by

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Speaker 1: We were interested in him.

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Speaker 4: Yes, he is interesting.

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Speaker 1: He's interesting. Is interesting. Just someone hot is interesting. My

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Speaker 1: No camera, mychnology on the show. We really don't say

437
00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:03,840
Speaker 1: much off camera here.

438
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:05,880
Speaker 4: Okay, great. I really enjoyed the way that you talked

439
00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,040
Speaker 4: about this mythical sex with someone because there are people

440
00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:10,080
Speaker 4: and the way.

441
00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:10,840
Speaker 1: You read the book.

442
00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:17,720
Speaker 4: Yes, but into the canon of somebody's what I'm like, yo,

443
00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,600
Speaker 4: because there are people who I've mit size. Yeah, of

444
00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,200
Speaker 4: course that is great. I'm just gonna start thinking about

445
00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:24,000
Speaker 4: and speaking about.

446
00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,560
Speaker 1: Things sometimes though that is dangerous to do because certain

447
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,000
Speaker 1: situations can't really be replicated. Like I remember that moment

448
00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,800
Speaker 1: was such a It was kind of watershed for me

449
00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,600
Speaker 1: that moment, to be honest with you, because I was

450
00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,000
Speaker 1: thinking back around that trip to Fire Island and like

451
00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,359
Speaker 1: we've been back several times and that was really like

452
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,000
Speaker 1: the last that was the one time I really felt

453
00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:47,000
Speaker 1: like very like i'll just say, like very sexually free

454
00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,080
Speaker 1: and like I let because when you go to on

455
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,359
Speaker 1: like a gay vacation like that, or to any destination.

456
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,720
Speaker 1: You know, it's like whatever, like you're supposed to be

457
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,800
Speaker 1: like debaucherous. Let's feel like it's like a Vegas thing

458
00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:57,440
Speaker 1: or whatever the fuck. It's like you can kind of

459
00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,439
Speaker 1: choose your own adventure. And that trip, I remember we

460
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:08,640
Speaker 1: were saying we were in our Charizart era breathing fires. Pokemon.

461
00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 1: You didn't want to go up against her, So we

462
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 1: were in our Charizar era on that trip, and the

463
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 1: way it was manifesting from me was just being very

464
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 1: forward and available. And I will say in recent trips,

465
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 1: I've missed that person, have missed that.

466
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 4: You can summon that person.

467
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,679
Speaker 1: I know, but don't you don't I know what you

468
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,160
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. It's like it's like sometimes

469
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:38,680
Speaker 1: it's like the access to your your vitality is sometimes

470
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,639
Speaker 1: not always like I know because you texted me when

471
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 1: you listen to the episode last week and you said,

472
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,960
Speaker 1: because she goes when you said I need access to

473
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 1: my penis to feel like Matt Rogers, she goes, well, yes, journey, yes.

474
00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 4: Longer, I'm no longer and is cool for me, but

475
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,120
Speaker 4: I'm I loved it at the time, but I'm glad

476
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 4: to not be on it anymore personally, of.

477
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 1: Course, But you said you were a situational girl.

478
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 4: That's what my therapist said. She was like, I think

479
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,440
Speaker 4: it's situational depression. But yeah, was prozac for a long time.

480
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 4: And then I'm like, do I need to be on

481
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 4: Should I be on this forever? Can I explore like

482
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 4: natural things? Can I explore what happens when I work

483
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,119
Speaker 4: out consistently? And I actually try to take you like

484
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 4: prioritize those things. And it was it was very good

485
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 4: for me.

486
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 1: What's your journey now? Are you? Are you vegan? Like no, okay, God, I.

487
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 4: Just had a chicken finger. Yes, honey mustard babe.

488
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,399
Speaker 1: Honey mustard Babe's so good.

489
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 4: So I'm not vegan, but I love to like cook

490
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 4: plant based. I've been vegan before for a relationship. Actually,

491
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 4: I think it's like really why I was vegan at

492
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 4: the time. But then I was like, oh, I feel

493
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,160
Speaker 4: really good and it's hot, like if you're vegan together

494
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 4: and you're like eating watermelon and large making each other

495
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 4: food and like being naked and hot. It was just

496
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 4: a moment and yeah, so no, I just I call

497
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 4: myself a flexitarian flexitarian.

498
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 2: Would it be nice to have in someone you were

499
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 2: with if they could do the vegan thing with you again,

500
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 2: just like a new person.

501
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 4: I really enjoy the freedom of like when I go

502
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 4: overseas to eat the cuisine of where I'm at in Rome,

503
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 4: if you will. So I don't really desire to be

504
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 4: vegan right now?

505
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:28,199
Speaker 1: Are you with someone? Now?

506
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm this is like my roundabout way of

507
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 2: being like are you Are you dating anybody?

508
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 4: I am not dating anyone seriously, but I am outside

509
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 4: out there, I'm outside and it's so weird. I never

510
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 4: thought that I would be on a dating app, but

511
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 4: I'm on Ride.

512
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I read that.

513
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,679
Speaker 4: Have y'all seen me? Oh okay, I haven't seen you actually.

514
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 2: Any women, but I see some women. If you go

515
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 2: to the map, ye go y three to thirty three,

516
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 2: not mid thirties, not.

517
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 1: Yet mid early so early, not identify thirties?

518
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 4: Is there really good changing?

519
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 1: And so when you're dating now is the intent? Because

520
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 1: in the book you also talk about like the many

521
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: intense relationships that you've had.

522
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 4: Oh many? And what are you calling me many many lovers?

523
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: No? I would say, you know what I'm saying. Yes,

524
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 1: and so you know, the words love addict are even

525
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 1: used love addicted. And I have to say I identified

526
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: with a lot of what you said. And lately I've

527
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,479
Speaker 1: also been on the journey of like, I'm going on

528
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 1: dates and it's to spend time with another person, And

529
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: is that where you're at now? And have you adjusted

530
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 1: to that in a way where you can leave the

531
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: day and not overthink woo, Yeah.

532
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,239
Speaker 4: I think that's the beauty of learning how to just

533
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 4: go on dates, like what you said, and also like

534
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 4: not just because I've jumped into relationships or I've been

535
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 4: like this is good, I'm just going to go with this.

536
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:04,199
Speaker 4: And I've been a serial you know, two years, three years,

537
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 4: one thing after the next, never really free falling, always

538
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 4: having my hand on the next monkey bar man, if

539
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 4: you will, you know what I'm saying, like the next thing,

540
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 4: and always having that security and comfort of the next person.

541
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 4: So since I ended my engagement like almost two years

542
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 4: ago now, I've been allowing myself to or try and

543
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 4: practicing free falling and like being alone. And last year

544
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 4: when I was in Mulain Rouge, I like, after I

545
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 4: got into the swing of the show, I went on

546
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 4: a few dates with men that I would have never met,

547
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 4: just in the wild of life and the circles that

548
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 4: I run in and stuff, because it's mostly like singers

549
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:50,199
Speaker 4: and artists and performers and stuff like that. So I

550
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 4: was saying, like swiping no on anybody that was an artist,

551
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 4: and just I was like, I went out with a neurosurgeon.

552
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 4: I think I said this in the book, and like

553
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 4: a teacher and an executive. But the true is is

554
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 4: that I just do like artists. It's very hard not to.

555
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: It's one less thing to explain about yourself.

556
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I just like the way music affects me

557
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 4: and how I love it and how I like to like,

558
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 4: you know, I grew up like harmonizing with my parents

559
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 4: and like singing with them in the car and stuff,

560
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 4: and I think there's something very comforting about that. But

561
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 4: I question is the comfort a good thing or is

562
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 4: it something that I should If it's familiar, should I

563
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 4: go try to, you know, look for something else. So

564
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 4: long winded way of answering your question is have I

565
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 4: figured out how to not overthink it. I try to

566
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 4: have a full enough life to where I'm like sewing

567
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 4: into my friendships, feeling good about my career, the work

568
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 4: I'm doing, like being able to look myself in the

569
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 4: mirror and be like, I'm proud of you. You're a

570
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 4: nice You're doing a good job. So then I'm just

571
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 4: like I'm a catch, and you know, I just want

572
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 4: to see if I like this person?

573
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? That's what I'm trying

574
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 1: to Well, we try to sometimes say, well, you were

575
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: the first person that said this, and I literally adopted

576
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: it immediately. It was if I'm spending time with you,

577
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: it's a big deal.

578
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 4: The serious Where did you get that? I think I

579
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 4: just made it is a big deal?

580
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, isn't it?

581
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 2: And like, especially now for you, where you are feeling

582
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 2: this like not easey, because it's never easy to lead

583
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 2: a Broadway show, but it's like you are feeling this

584
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 2: like like that is a stable center and anchor of

585
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 2: your life, but you're you're now able to, like you

586
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 2: were telling us earlier, like have a night out like

587
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 2: once a week, you know, like that is protected time.

588
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 4: Though, yes, you know what I mean, precious, So if

589
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go out with somebody a fucking stranger loose,

590
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 4: I don't know what hell these guys are Yeah. Yeah,

591
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 4: then it's like it needs to feel substantial or like

592
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 4: there's it's there's something of something there. So yeah, And

593
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 4: I've never really had that type of stability of like

594
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 4: showing up to the same job ever. So that is

595
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 4: cool to know that I'm going to the same theater,

596
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 4: I'm going to see the same people since I was young,

597
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 4: and I love the flexibility and the change and all that.

598
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 4: But I think there was something in my spirit that

599
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 4: was like it'd be cool to be planted for a

600
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 4: few months.

601
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 2: Well, you were saying how the last time you did

602
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,959
Speaker 2: Milan Rouge there was a moment when you went back

603
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 2: to LA and how you were kind of nervous about

604
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: this stability or other structure kind of just kind of

605
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 2: being put on pause for a little bit, right, Like

606
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 2: your life back in LA was just like catching up

607
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 2: to you again and like hitting you in one like

608
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 2: big moment. And I wonder now, like now that you're

609
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 2: back and now that you're in the city, like what

610
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 2: is is there some intention now about like staying here

611
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 2: a little longer.

612
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: But they're not. It has to do with the show,

613
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: because you do love it.

614
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 4: I love it. I love it.

615
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, And Connie's outside. I know.

616
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, my aunt Connie and my cousin's girlfriend Billy were

617
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 4: from South Boston and they just like they'll drive in

618
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 4: so I get to see my family more often. I

619
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 4: was in LA for fourteen years, and I didn't realize

620
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 4: how far I actually was. Obviously it's three thousand miles

621
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 4: away whatever, But like it just made me into a

622
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 4: weirder person, Like I am weird, but like it made

623
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 4: me into a certain I'm just good. I'm good on

624
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 4: LA right now. I think I've spent enough time. Being

625
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 4: back on the East Coast feels right in my spirit.

626
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 4: I think I need it. I need to remind myself

627
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 4: of like this gritty little bit that I am.

628
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: Like.

629
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 4: I like how weird things happen here. I like the

630
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 4: chance meetings that you might run into somebody on the street,

631
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 4: and I like all the walking, and I like to

632
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 4: taking the subway, and I like the community that I

633
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 4: feel here, And yeah, I dig it. So I think

634
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 4: I'm gonna explore some more neighborhoods see what feels like

635
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 4: the right fit for me to come to Brooklyn.

636
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, what about Brooklyn for you? What

637
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: about what about like Carroll Gardens.

638
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 4: Okay, I did look at a place in Carroll Gardens.

639
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 4: It was like a five story walk up and I'm like,

640
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 4: I don't know I can do.

641
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: That's tough.

642
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's really gonna be a no for me. Yeah,

643
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 4: but maybe you can tell me some like cool spots.

644
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 2: I'm trying to put my on touch with my my gal,

645
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 2: my broker.

646
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: But the iconic running Row, the iconic Ronnie Rose her

647
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: second mention in a row.

648
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 4: Wow, really just another.

649
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: Mythological hurd that looms larned in the world of real estate.

650
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: Not exact. Ronnie Rose is my.

651
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 2: Real estate big bro. She really gave me the business.

652
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 2: But anyway, I'm feeling okay, so not really you know what,

653
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: here's the thing to the Hirschfeld.

654
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, but like I'm not going to move into the Hirschfeld,

655
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 4: So like, of course, I don't know how long you know, yes, exactly,

656
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 4: just like six more weeks there. But if yeah, if

657
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 4: I'm gonna, I want to be a part of that

658
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 4: world a little bit more than I don't know.

659
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: I think you are so where you belong on theater.

660
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think it makes sense because just

661
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: because because you really are great and I mean like

662
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: like you really are like.

663
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 2: Little broad to that that's the title.

664
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: That's another thing that up a little broke up, a

665
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:11,239
Speaker 1: little bro period period. I just can see you in

666
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: so many roles. I can see you just doing a play,

667
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: like I mean, like.

668
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 4: Great, yeah, because it would be so nice to not

669
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 4: have to think about singing. Do you know what I mean?

670
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,719
Speaker 4: You guys, it'd be so cute to be able to

671
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 4: go out and have a cocktail and then show the

672
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 4: next day.

673
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: Couldn't be me, you know what, though, I remember, like

674
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: I saw Adina Menzela in a play.

675
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was face face Value or something whatever

676
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 2: it was.

677
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: It was something.

678
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 4: She's doing another one. She has a new one coming

679
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 4: out soon.

680
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: Is it a musical or is it a play? Because

681
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: I saw her in a play and I was like,

682
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: this is the idea of famously of singing yes, yes,

683
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: and just see her in a play. I was like,

684
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: you know, if you get connected to this part of town,

685
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: like they'll think of you for all sorts of things,

686
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: and I have to imagine that, like, well, obviously, like

687
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: you're doing things outside of Mulin Rouge that are like exciting,

688
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: but I do want to ask, like just in terms

689
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: of recorded music, can you talk about the song Porcelain

690
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: at the end of the book. Yeah, is that something

691
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: that we're going to be hearing.

692
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm putting on new music soon. You are are

693
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 4: going to lead with Porcelain, which is really cool. And

694
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 4: I'm just so nervous because I just haven't put out

695
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 4: music in a long time.

696
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: And it's been three years I think, so it.

697
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 4: Feels like it's been thirty three years. It feels like

698
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 4: I've never put out music before. Actually it's so weird.

699
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm really excited just to rip the band

700
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 4: aid off and just put stuff out like Era New Era.

701
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 4: There so much dope music out there, and I just

702
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 4: want to play. I just want to beat, you know.

703
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: Fun We were saying the other day, you're really into

704
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: the Sabrina album so good. I feel like you guys

705
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: speak to each other.

706
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 4: You really just so funny and yeah, cute and horny

707
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 4: and I'm obsessed.

708
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: I also, can she can map out a riff?

709
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 4: Yes? Oh? She is really? Like is she underrated as

710
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 4: a vocal fast?

711
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: There was this video of her like just messing around

712
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: with this Jasmine Sullivan song.

713
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 4: Yes, Oh, I've seen and.

714
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: Siss A commented like, I did not know you exactly.

715
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 4: And a lot of us fell that way. Wow, do

716
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 4: you know Eric Vitro the vocal Coach's arian his vocal coach.

717
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 4: I feel like, I don't know if you went over

718
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 4: to the UK, Like he's been a part of her

719
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 4: life for a long time, but he's also we worked

720
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 4: with Sabrina. I work with him from time to time.

721
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 4: He's great, He's in la if you guys every n

722
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 4: it's amazing.

723
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: I feel like all three of all three of you

724
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: that you just mentioned, Like I hear a ton of

725
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: Ariana like in like all three of you guys' stuff.

726
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: Like I thought Sabrina's album was just like not only

727
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: was it incredibly well performed and well written, but it's

728
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: just it's like a fusion of those two things. There's

729
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: just a lot of personality. It feels like getting to

730
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: know someone better. Yeah, and I think that on your

731
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: last two outputs too. Like sometimes when I was reading

732
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: the book, I was like, man, this has to be

733
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: a really difficult thing to have such a complicated relationship

734
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: with things other people truly love.

735
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, it makes me feel really bad.

736
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 2: No, no, no, because I completely identify with that. Do

737
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 2: you of course, being like, well, it means something to people,

738
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 2: and so therefore it is like valid and important that

739
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: you should honor as someone who who made it. But also,

740
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 2: and I'm just talking about like a little four minute sketches,

741
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Yeah, sure, let's say when

742
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 2: everyone comes hate.

743
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: It's just like when someone just boils you down to

744
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: a thing.

745
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 2: When someone just when you know, someone will just shout

746
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 2: across the street like Iceberg, and I'm like, I don't.

747
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 3: Wrin is that it's happened?

748
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: What happened?

749
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm the girlfriend back.

750
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: You're so good in that though, Oh well, thank you

751
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: so much, you really.

752
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 4: Are, but please tell me more about Well, no, it's.

753
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 2: Just I really And what what Matt's getting at is

754
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 2: like it's it's like it's a constant renegotiation internally where

755
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 2: you're like and it lands like the pendulum finally like

756
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: stays at are we so lucky to be doing what

757
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 2: we do? But like, I think you are so honest

758
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 2: and vulnerable about how difficult a lot of these songs

759
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 2: that you put out were because it was being dictated

760
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 2: by all these other people.

761
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that makes me feel a lot of ways,

762
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 4: makes me feel like a little embarrassed because but not

763
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 4: to where I'm like, you know, hanging my head down,

764
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 4: you know, like it's just sha. I don't feel ashamed

765
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 4: about it because I understand now like why I made

766
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 4: decisions all throughout my life, like even ones that I'm

767
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 4: like where I hurt people or wherever. But like as

768
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 4: it goes with that, like it kind of just makes

769
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 4: me really excited when I see artists that are just

770
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 4: I believe they really are fighting for their vision. That

771
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 4: takes a lot of courage. I think it also takes

772
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 4: a lot of support from other people around them, whether

773
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 4: it's their management or you know, just even family and

774
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 4: friends and stuff who like really see and want to

775
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 4: help them pull that off.

776
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 1: I think.

777
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 4: And I just I always felt kind of alone, like

778
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 4: when I was trying to fight for something. So then

779
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,720
Speaker 4: I because I was going through stuff in my personal

780
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 4: life or family life, and I had like been in

781
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 4: this wicked long lawsuit and I just had no more

782
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 4: resources energetically or financially or anything. I just like felt

783
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 4: so backed into a corner. Yeah that so, so I'm

784
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 4: like embarrassed that I like did songs that I didn't love,

785
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 4: but I understood why I trusted, you know, executives that

786
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 4: were like, this is going to be a hit, and

787
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 4: I was like, I just think I'm supposed to have

788
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 4: more hits, So I'm just gonna do what you tell

789
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 4: me to do because everyone's telling me you're supposed to

790
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 4: be this or blah blah blah. So but I'm sure.

791
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 4: So you can understand the confusion.

792
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: Because they happened to be right the first time. So

793
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: get in the book, you discuss how you first heard

794
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: Leeve get Out even as a twelve year old, and

795
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: you're like, this doesn't feel like me, and I don't

796
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: get it, and then you record it, you put your

797
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: thing on it, and it literally immediately pops off. So

798
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: then it's like it becomes a core belief. These people

799
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 1: do know better core belief.

800
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 4: And it was no longer those people that were telling me.

801
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 4: It was just other people that filled that place. So

802
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, even though it's not like Barry

803
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 4: and Vincent, you know, making these these calls, it is

804
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 4: other people who also have had success in that area.

805
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 4: And because it's a core belief, they whoever, they are

806
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 4: no better than me. And then those those songs that

807
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 4: I compromised on, it just never popped off, like the

808
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 4: promise was. I'm like, so then you just feel silly. Yeah,

809
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. But it's kind of a

810
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 4: blessing in disguise because to sing over and over and

811
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 4: over again songs that you just really don't feel like,

812
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 4: you like, if they're not big hits, you like, don't

813
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 4: have to sing them.

814
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: Sure, I'm totally fine, totally yeah.

815
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 4: And then like Creature of Habit for example, which I like,

816
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 4: don't care for that song. I'm so glad that I

817
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 4: don't have to sing that. I'm a creature.

818
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 3: What the fucks, I'm a creature.

819
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 4: I'm a creature, and I just did Masked Singer. I'm like, honestly,

820
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 4: I want to take myself off of this planet right now.

821
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 4: This is insanity, But that was the recommendation.

822
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 2: We talk about climbing Cringe Mountain. I feel like the

823
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 2: way you wrote about your time on the Mass Singer

824
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: was I think kind of beautiful and sort of really yeah,

825
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 2: heistic too, because You're just like, this is obviously like

826
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 2: not where I thought I.

827
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 4: Was gonna I thought I was going to be doing.

828
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: But you've you've like crossed that fire and that crucible

829
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 2: and like you can literally do anything, like no one can.

830
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 4: Tell you actually really enjoyed doing it. It was during

831
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 4: it was twenty twenty or twenty twenty one, so I

832
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 4: was like very much about getting a check as well, get.

833
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: The check and get out the use.

834
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 4: I really enjoy that.

835
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

836
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 4: So yeah, so it was cool. I got to sing

837
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 4: songs that I wouldn't have Like I sang how am

838
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 4: I supposed to Live Without You?

839
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: Michael Bolton, Major Major, By the way, your cover of

840
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: Can't Fight This Feeling from Lisa Frankenstein, which came out

841
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: this February.

842
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 4: Pea Williams director, Oh that movie a cult classic, instant classic.

843
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: It really like that that song you gave that song? Yeah,

844
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: you really did, and you gave every song, but well,

845
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: thank you. I mean one thing that I think was

846
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 1: a really fun thing when it happened. And also it's

847
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: really interesting to look back now that like Taylor has

848
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: her tailor's versions and stuff. Is you re recording your

849
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: first two albums and releasing them in twenty eighteen. And

850
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: I do remember being so excited when when they came

851
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: out because I was like, because they weren't available for streaming,

852
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: and I was such a I think I didn't know

853
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: where my two thousand and four actual JoJo's Compact disc

854
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: was in order? Would I know how to play it now?

855
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: But when you did that, And by the way, Doug

856
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 1: Krantz actually as a gift when he when he he

857
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: takes photos for me when I'm when I'm doing my

858
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: show sometimes he's really great, and he gave me as

859
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: a gift those two vinyls. Wow, So I have them

860
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: in law eighteen vinyls. Yes, I love and so. But

861
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: what's great about the rerecording of that, and like I

862
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: was really happy to see that you write this in

863
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: the book, is that when you finally got to rerecord

864
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: those things and you have those little bittersweet moments of

865
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: reconnecting with you know what it felt like to record

866
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: them the first time. It almost feels like you can

867
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: speak to and perform them in a way that you

868
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 1: actually understand those emotions right and in a way it's like.

869
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 4: Their new songs, Yeah, and they are.

870
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: There were grown ass songs, grown ass voice the way

871
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: you do me.

872
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 4: What am I talking about? How to touch a girl?

873
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 4: I mean, how to touch her heart? But like I

874
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 4: don't know, so you know, but.

875
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: How to touch a girl.

876
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: I mean, like it's really meaningful that it's like the

877
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 2: song that you wrote, and it's like it's such a

878
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 2: beautiful it's like Aretha, like this girl's in love with you.

879
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: It's so.

880
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 4: But even singing like keep on keeping On, which was

881
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 4: like the song that I wrote by myself twelve years

882
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 4: old from my first album, I was like really touched

883
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 4: by thinking about my little prepubescentself walking around the apartment

884
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 4: complex and like writing those lyrics and then to re

885
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 4: sing them. It was I just even in just writing

886
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 4: this book, in totality, I realized how very little I

887
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 4: had actually taken the time to try to remember because

888
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 4: I didn't want to.

889
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: Wow, that's really interesting.

890
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 4: I didn't give myself the time or space to appreciate

891
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 4: how unbelievable my life is. It has been the things

892
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 4: that I've accomplished, the things I've overcome, the to me,

893
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 4: it feels like against the odds that I'm still alive sometimes,

894
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 4: do you know what I mean? And so I'm like

895
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 4: take the time and be like even the wisdom that

896
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 4: I had at twelve years old to want to encourage

897
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 4: myself and others and keep on keeping on, like that's

898
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 4: precious Yeah, I'm like, oh my god, little Joe.

899
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: And that she was speaking to you twenty years later.

900
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, she was still telling me to keep on keeping on.

901
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is happening?

902
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 2: It was cool, But that's interesting to hear you say that,

903
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 2: like you weren't sure what the capacity for your own

904
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 2: memory was because like the detail is very granular and

905
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 2: it's very specific in this book, and I wonder if

906
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 2: that must have been And I'm sure it was like

907
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 2: a very intense process of just like picking out these

908
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 2: details of just like even like you talking about like

909
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: how long this hallway in this Vegas hotel was. I

910
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 2: was just like, yeah, that's so specific, Like that's tied

911
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 2: to a very dark memory. But you're like, but just

912
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: even in the book, you're like, these Vegas hotel always

913
00:41:59,080 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 2: are fucking law.

914
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: That was very visceral. That detail is very visceral because

915
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: you can feel.

916
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 2: It, so like I imagine it was really deep, kind

917
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 2: of excavating of like the details of those really intense moments.

918
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, I've been in therapy for a long

919
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 4: time now, so I have thought about some of the

920
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 4: pain points in my life because I've wanted to work

921
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 4: through them and try to learn something or grow from them.

922
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 4: But like that moment in Vegas, for example, that is

923
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 4: a hinge point in my life where it's also my

924
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 4: mom's story, and I wanted to be really thoughtful and

925
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 4: sensitive about the way that I told things that were

926
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 4: her story and that are pain points for her too.

927
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 4: But I realized how much I had protected other people

928
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 4: to where it was like too much for me to bear.

929
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 4: And like I can see that room, that Vegas hallway,

930
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 4: because that was a moment that I'll never forget. You know,

931
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 4: I can see the letter that my mom wrote me,

932
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 4: and I can see it strewn, you know, all the

933
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 4: things that are the book and that happened, and that

934
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 4: I didn't know if I was ever going to share. Yeah,

935
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 4: that my family knows and things like that. And it's

936
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 4: not from a place of wanting to call anybody out

937
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 4: or anything like that. Like trust me, I felt a

938
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 4: lot of I wrestled with it. But the story that

939
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 4: I tell in this book and what my experience has

940
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 4: been is about redemption and evolution and people can change

941
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 4: if they want to, and and that by sharing it all,

942
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 4: no one can use anything against you, No one can,

943
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 4: like you know what I mean? There's nothing to be

944
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 4: ashamed of.

945
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: That's beautiful.

946
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 2: And the theme that kind of rang for me in

947
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 2: reading this was like from the beginning, from your first

948
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 2: appearance on Kids Say the Darkness things, which I loved

949
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 2: as a kid too, like when they're product so I

950
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 2: loved so sweet. But it's like from your first moments

951
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 2: being on camera, it's like you were talking to a

952
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 2: very complicated adult. And then I think the theme of

953
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 2: this story for you is that like your whole life

954
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 2: and your career has been about like being affected by

955
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 2: these very complicated individuals, and that you, by the end

956
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 2: of it, have the grace to forgive a lot of

957
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 2: them and to complete them as people in the way

958
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 2: that you talk and write about them. I think that

959
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 2: is like the story of Jojo to me, like, oh my.

960
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 4: God, thank you for saying it, Like, yeah, I really

961
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 4: appreciate it because I had a lot of I did

962
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 4: have fear about anybody feeling upset or like I put

963
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 4: them out there. I look, I don't paint myself in

964
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 4: like the rosiest you know light. I'm not a victim,

965
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 4: nor am I a villain. I've been all things. Yeah,

966
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 4: and a lot of people have been that in my

967
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:38,439
Speaker 4: life too.

968
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: So it's not like anyone can read this book and

969
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: be like, Wow, she really went out of her way

970
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: to make it seem like everyone was the bad guy good.

971
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: That's not how I look at it.

972
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 4: That's what I look at it.

973
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: In fact, I think one of my favorite parts of

974
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: this book is when you literally just tee it up

975
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: by being like, I don't even know how to say this,

976
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: I'm just going to say it, I cheated on awesome person,

977
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: this this incredible person. And I think that that was

978
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: actually one of the things that of course, like if

979
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: you're on your like moral high horse or whatever like

980
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: which people of course, undoubtedly maybe you might not see

981
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 1: yourself in it. But I think that, like, all I

982
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: know is this idea that I know this is the

983
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: wrong thing to do, but the urge inside me wouldever

984
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 1: you paint that really really vividly, this co.

985
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 4: This compulsions, saboteur compulsion inside which which I think you know,

986
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 4: in the way that I think about addiction, addiction can

987
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 4: be to stimulation, to loved substances, to getting outside yourself,

988
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 4: to chaos too. I've flirted with all of that, you

989
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 4: know what I mean, And I think that I was

990
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 4: in such pain. There was such confusion and chaos in

991
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 4: my life that it's as if I needed to poison

992
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 4: this like one thing because I felt unworthy. It's it's

993
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 4: like I wanted to test, maybe subconsciously, how much it's

994
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 4: just there's no excuse. But looking back, I can and

995
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 4: through therapy, I'm just like why why?

996
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 2: Right?

997
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 4: You know what i mean?

998
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 2: The excuse is the human condition right now, It's like,

999
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 2: that's that's what it is. It's like, it's irrational, it's selfish, selfish,

1000
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: but also it's informed by like and this is this

1001
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 2: is me. I'm not putting blame on these people, but

1002
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 2: it's I think it's a product of you being the

1003
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 2: on the receiving end of a lot of adults and

1004
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 2: people who are there, who are there to protect you,

1005
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 2: who made you feel maybe unprotected.

1006
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 4: At times I felt I felt very alone.

1007
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: You know, who looms very large in this book who

1008
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about is Aliyah. Like from

1009
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: the very beginning, it feels like there's this moment where

1010
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: you go into Barry Hankerson, who was her uncle, yeah,

1011
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: and who was you know, the founder of Blackground, and

1012
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: you know he obviously is a complicated figure in the

1013
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: book and at large. But there was a moment where

1014
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: you sing for him and it was their first time

1015
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: meeting him, and there's a moment where he says he

1016
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: literally saw her spirit, and her spirit told him that

1017
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: you were the one to invest in insane, insane, insane.

1018
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 2: I texted him when I got to that part, insane, but.

1019
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: That in many ways it's insane because it's like you

1020
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: believe that he believed it, but also you also think

1021
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: this is a manipulation. Yeah, totally, because there's probably no

1022
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: no more, especially when that person is literally at that

1023
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 1: point like a specter, like they're not there. And her

1024
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: image is so brandished and utilized for this thing that

1025
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: is like you know, of the past, but also will

1026
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: always feel contemporary. It's like she is an ideal that

1027
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 1: can never realiz reached, unbelievable. And in the years since

1028
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: she's passed, like, I feel like, you know the things

1029
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: that have come out about R. Kelly, the things that

1030
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 1: have come out about a lot of people around her,

1031
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: I want to know what your relationship to her is today.

1032
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 4: She's an icon. There's no one like she has inspired

1033
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 4: all the girls, myself included, but everyone who's putting out

1034
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 4: music around her time and since then, like she is

1035
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 4: the one, she's the prototype and an amazing actress and

1036
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 4: all around performer. She was about to go on and

1037
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 4: do the Matrix series, I think right like she was,

1038
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 4: and she had just done Queen of the Damned and

1039
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 4: you know, Romeo Must Die and all these things, like

1040
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:45,919
Speaker 4: just unbelievable. I feel so much for her because of

1041
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 4: I know some of her family. You know, in dealing

1042
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 4: with Blackground. That label was founded for her because Barry

1043
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 4: had taken her to every other label and they said,

1044
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 4: she's too young, we don't want to deal with it,

1045
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 4: blah blah blah. Then he was also managing r Kelly

1046
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 4: at the time and he put them together to work together.

1047
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 4: The rest is history in many ways. And she was

1048
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 4: not protected. She was a child, and she you know,

1049
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 4: acted grown and looked grown and was singing grown.

1050
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: With look make her look very grown.

1051
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, And there was this whole mystery and amazing thing

1052
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 4: surrounding her, like her oral was larger than life. In

1053
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 4: the marketing and the music and just everything was perfect.

1054
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 4: But now that I'm an adult, I'm like she was

1055
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 4: not protected. And matter of fact, I know a lot

1056
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 4: of things that I'll never say. And it's just crazy

1057
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 4: all the stuff that's come out with our Kelly, thank God,

1058
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 4: because I heard so many stories. It really was the

1059
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 4: industry's biggest secret, and there were people around that facilitated that.

1060
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 4: And you can, you know, through without me needing to

1061
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 4: say it, know who facilitated that, and you know, it's

1062
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 4: just there's no way around it is disgusting.

1063
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: It yeah, really rough.

1064
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 2: And I feel like your connection to her is even

1065
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:13,280
Speaker 2: kind of projected onto the way that like background sort

1066
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 2: of withheld both of your work.

1067
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: For so long.

1068
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, So every label has to do a deal with

1069
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 4: the digital streaming platforms like that was going on when

1070
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 4: kind of the digital streaming revolution was happening and everything

1071
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 4: was changing and people were streaming music as opposed to

1072
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 4: like buying and stuff. So every label, no matter how

1073
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 4: big or small, needed to do individual deals with all

1074
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 4: the DSPs. My former label that Aliyah was on as well,

1075
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 4: and Tony Braxton and Timbland and stuff, they did not

1076
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 4: do deal. They just didn't get to it or they

1077
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 4: just like, you know, they just made interesting business choices

1078
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 4: that I'll never ridiculous, Like I just don't get it.

1079
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 4: So my stuff was not available on streaming. Neither was Alia's.

1080
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 4: Her fans were going crazy online. My fans were going

1081
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 4: crazy online, and I was like, if I can do

1082
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 4: something about my own history legacy being snuffed out, I

1083
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 4: need to try to do something. And so then I

1084
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 4: re recorded my own music. There was no real precedent

1085
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 4: for that. I never hadn't seen that be done before,

1086
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 4: so we just went for it. And then a couple

1087
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 4: of years later they got to doing a street you know,

1088
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 4: a deal with it, and then it just looked like

1089
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 4: I just wanted to re record my music, but it

1090
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 4: was out of necessity.

1091
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: And I could tell even then. I was like, this

1092
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,720
Speaker 1: must be a thing of like there must be something

1093
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: fucked up going on. And the fact that you were

1094
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: doing that was like both I'm sure empowering for you,

1095
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,919
Speaker 1: but also you have to know, so empowering and fun

1096
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: for your fans. Yes, yes, because I'm telling you, I

1097
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: hope so, oh god. Yeah. Just first of all, first

1098
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 1: of all, to even have access to it was huge,

1099
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 1: And the second of all is just like, I know,

1100
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: you talk a lot in the book about like your

1101
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: relationship to your singing voice now versus then, and how

1102
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,439
Speaker 1: there is a lot of anxiety around just the way

1103
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 1: the human voice changes.

1104
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 4: For both every seven years, they say.

1105
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard of this. Well, yeah, you're your entirely,

1106
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 1: you're entirely cellularly replaced seven years. But I think seven

1107
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: is vocal. Well, but we're not. None of us are

1108
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 1: scientists the chemist story. No no, no, no, no, I'm

1109
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: not so close to a scientist. No no, no, that's

1110
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: not true.

1111
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 2: But but yes, like the way you write about in

1112
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 2: the book is so honest too, because you're like, because now,

1113
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 2: I'm sure you love the way your timbre, but it's like,

1114
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 2: I'm sure with the changes as you age, It's like.

1115
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 4: It was weird to accept, of course, because I mean

1116
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 4: my first album, I hadn't got my period, Like I wasn't.

1117
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 3: It wasn't a woman's voice quite literally, yeah, not a girl.

1118
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 4: I was a girl and also not yet a woman

1119
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 4: a woman. Yeah, so yeah, it was weird because I'm like,

1120
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 4: oh my god, people always going to compare my voice

1121
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 4: to a prepubescent voice. Yeah, and now I just don't care.

1122
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 4: I'm just too old for that. I'm too grown.

1123
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 2: I will say like something about the first two albums

1124
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 2: not being on string, and but then the twenty eighteen

1125
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 2: albums being right, like there was like.

1126
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: A little they rarely then put the albums.

1127
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 4: On stream exactly, That's what I'm saying. So then then

1128
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 4: it made you look like, yeah, but whatever, I think.

1129
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 2: I've just stayed with the twenty eighteen releases and I

1130
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 2: just prefer those versions, honest dead ass rediction down, like

1131
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 2: like conviction down, fiction down. I'm like, we're listening to

1132
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 2: Baby It's You twenty eighteen. I don't, it's it's just that's.

1133
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:25,240
Speaker 4: A little richer.

1134
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: Well, it's just I think it's just better than the

1135
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: fact that you still like Baby It's You. I do.

1136
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: It's huge for us because we can't.

1137
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 4: Dislike too Little Too Later or leave get out or anything.

1138
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 1: All. I get what you're saying, but like you don't

1139
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: really talk about too little too late.

1140
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 4: Because I wanted that.

1141
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: I know.

1142
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 4: It's that was my ship, like it was sent to

1143
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 4: my sidekick messenger or whatever, like the demo from her

1144
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,280
Speaker 4: last name Cunningham, She's She's Super Dope, and then Billy

1145
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 4: Steinberg and Josh Alexander and it was sent to me

1146
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 4: and I was like, I knew that if I could

1147
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 4: get this song, that that should be my next single.

1148
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 4: To Little Too Late was everything everything.

1149
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: I just have to shout out, not that kind of girl.

1150
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 4: Eighteen just better than the original so much.

1151
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, First of all, the way you tore up SWV

1152
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 1: week like as a twelve year old kidding me, had

1153
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 1: absolutely no right. And I was not surprised that the

1154
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: girls were reaching out because that had to be who

1155
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: from that time was like a singer, singer that reached

1156
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: back out that you were especially gagged. It had to

1157
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: be a ton of people what like around that time

1158
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: when you get introduced.

1159
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 4: To like Brandy, Yeah, I mean that was like no

1160
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 4: better than Chaka Khan. I remember, like I mean, oh,

1161
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,720
Speaker 4: Whitney Houston, I mean, send me flowers to Square Garden,

1162
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 4: You're hitting no. When I was performing at like a

1163
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 4: jingle Ball or something, her and her daughter rest in peace.

1164
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 4: Then Bobby Christina, they sent me flowers, and I'll never

1165
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 4: forget that moment.

1166
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,760
Speaker 1: That is the ultimate validation as a sing.

1167
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 4: It really is. Actually I don't need anything else, period.

1168
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 2: But like there are so many wonderful moments of the

1169
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 2: Boat Too where you just talk about these like moments

1170
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 2: and these interactions with all these singers like Destiny's Child

1171
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 2: and oh yeah, even like going to Taylor's house to

1172
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 2: Selena and she was like keeping up with the lawsuit

1173
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 2: and so many things.

1174
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: Victoria Monet. I love the Victoria Monnet piece because we

1175
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: just saw we we're a Victoria fans. Speaking of Big Bro,

1176
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: I think I think that she may have made an

1177
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: appearance last night sonically.

1178
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 4: I love I have texted her this. I was like,

1179
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 4: I have had some of the moment of my life

1180
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 4: to her musical.

1181
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I really have got this fucking moment that

1182
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 1: Arian positions We're big. Oh yeah, yeah, I mean, look,

1183
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: her hand on all contemporary R and B pop music

1184
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: is monumental. And we saw her at Coachella. She killed it.

1185
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 4: Of course, she's a force. I could not be happier

1186
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 4: for her. No one deserves it more. And she's a mother.

1187
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.

1188
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 4: I'm just in awe just to.

1189
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: See, like by the industry standards like someone quote unquote

1190
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,280
Speaker 1: older or like up in years.

1191
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 4: No, it's fire.

1192
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's amazing.

1193
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 4: Mid thirties, looking better than anyone in the world.

1194
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 1: Yep. And it's just it's aesthetic is so you can

1195
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 1: just tell it's someone who has, you know, for better

1196
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: or worse. I'm sure coming up, it felt like, when

1197
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: is it going to be my turn? But now that

1198
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: it's like she can have this fully realized like visual

1199
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:48,320
Speaker 1: like sonic, you know, emotional identity and what she's doing,

1200
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 1: that feels really satisfying.

1201
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 4: But that's the exact word that I'd use to describe it.

1202
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,720
Speaker 4: It's satisfying because of all the thoughtfulness, the attention to detail.

1203
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 4: She spared no expense, she put everything into this. I

1204
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 4: love Jaguar one and two. I'm just so here for

1205
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 4: everything that she does. Like, I trust her as an

1206
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 4: artist so much, and she's such a beautiful person, and

1207
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 4: I know so many people that are in her orbit,

1208
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 4: and I've you know, known her a little bit throughout

1209
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 4: the years, and she's just it's so cool to see her.

1210
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 2: I was with your former castmates Liz Gillies and Frankie

1211
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 2: Grande during those Grammys. We were at Ari's whenever named

1212
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 2: drop but then but watching her win, like Ari Burser tears. Yeah,

1213
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 2: Like when Victoria won the Grammy, it was just like

1214
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 2: everyone on Liz and frank it just everyone was just

1215
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 2: like this. They were just turning me belink. You have

1216
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 2: no idea, no idea. This girl deserves it more than anybody.

1217
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 4: So yeah, so when she was on the fifth Harmony

1218
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 4: tour that I was on too, and just to see

1219
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 4: how humble she was, she was grateful for the opportunity

1220
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 4: just kind of doing her thing. I think she had

1221
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 4: written for them or was working with them, and and

1222
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 4: I'll never forget, you know, just heard how she just

1223
00:57:57,840 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 4: had a fan on her, just like a fan blowing

1224
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 4: her hair, and she learned how to do all the

1225
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 4: things behind the scenes. And it's just truly the best

1226
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 4: story ever.

1227
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 2: I mean, as we're talking about her, like, it just

1228
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 2: makes me excited for Porcelain and for everything that's coming

1229
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 2: with you because because Sagittary Sun, Aquarius Moon, Yes, and

1230
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 2: that made sense for me, sad sad, because it made

1231
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 2: sense to me just because you have this thing in

1232
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 2: the book where you're like I was always told I

1233
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 2: was like left of center, that you always have these

1234
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 2: experimental ideas, and that's like, that's the Aquarius, I think.

1235
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 2: And then I'm also like, I think you're one of

1236
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 2: those people where it's like like Charlie popping off recently,

1237
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 2: it's like, oh no, the industry had to catch up

1238
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 2: to that, you know what I mean, I feel that

1239
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 2: way with you. I feel that way with you where

1240
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 2: it's like now that we're in this like really experimental

1241
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 2: place with music and with R and B and with

1242
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 2: pop and dance and all these other things, it's like

1243
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 2: it's like you like you're going to meet that moment,

1244
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

1245
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 4: I'm so inspired by everything that I see and the

1246
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 4: people that you just named, Like it's even I've been

1247
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 4: doing this a long time. It really fills me with

1248
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 4: a lot of energy to see that and to keep

1249
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 4: believing for myself too that like if you are true

1250
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 4: to your artistic vision, you are clear about it, like

1251
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 4: build it and they will come and the right people

1252
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 4: will come, and it can take time, but you know,

1253
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 4: just to keep that faith is.

1254
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a long game.

1255
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 2: It's a long game, and we're talking about the culture.

1256
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 2: I think it's time, asked Joe to the question.

1257
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean it is. I'm just like sitting here

1258
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: like and I'm just thinking about like all the times

1259
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 1: you were like all I wanted to do was do

1260
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: my vision and they stop me. And I was just

1261
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: thinking like about how authenticity is while people are truly

1262
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,439
Speaker 1: responding to right now, and there's it's such a great time,

1263
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 1: Like no one can tell you or anyone now that

1264
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: like oh, R and B isn't what's in. That's not

1265
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: the way we should take pop. It has to be

1266
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: pop rock, it has to be pop dance or whatever.

1267
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 1: We're in such an eclectic.

1268
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 4: Time and what is a genre even?

1269
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying is it's like it feels like

1270
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: a really ripe time. And like, speaking of time, we'll

1271
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 1: go back in it and we'll ask you the question,

1272
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: ask what is the culture that made you say? Culture

1273
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: was for you?

1274
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 4: Okay, I hope I understand this question correctly.

1275
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 1: It's okay that you don't give.

1276
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 4: You my interpretation. Diva's Live.

1277
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: Thank you for anyone said it Diva's If they have,

1278
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: they haven't said it today.

1279
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 4: Okay, I know that's right. That that was everything for me,

1280
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 4: Seeing like Mariah and Shanaiah and Shaka and Celine and

1281
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 4: Whitney and all of these women they used to do.

1282
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 1: It every year. I was like, why did they stop?

1283
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 1: They have to do it again me?

1284
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 4: That was everything for me. It made me feel so

1285
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 4: alive and I was like, oh, I want like a

1286
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 4: little bit of this one and this one, and like

1287
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 4: one day I want to.

1288
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: Be like that talk about genres are coming together. I

1289
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: mean they represented everybody.

1290
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 4: Was Bonnie right there. You know, it's just yeah, so cool,

1291
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 4: and I feel like now would be a great time

1292
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 4: to bring that back. I think amazing they did something

1293
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 4: I did like a Divas Live Chris this thing a

1294
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 4: few years ago, and that was that was sick. But

1295
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 4: really the heyday was in the late nineties. Yes, I

1296
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 4: was a little cherub, Yes, sitting and putting in my

1297
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 4: VHS tape, taping it and watching it back over and

1298
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 4: over again.

1299
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, oh that was the That was truly the moment.

1300
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 1: I remember. It was like the first one they ever did.

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01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 1: Mariah came out first and she did I think my

1302
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 1: all and then Make It Happen. Do you know I

1303
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:32,919
Speaker 1: saw it on your playlist for the album for the book,

1304
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 1: I mean, like it, make it Happen was on your

1305
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 1: looking I don't know how many times I tell you

1306
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 1: I'm a fan, I love you, I love you back,

1307
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 1: I loved you from jump like I mean, like but

1308
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 1: I get And also calling back to her book, she

1309
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 1: talks about you know, she has such a relationship with

1310
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: that song because it was truly a documentation of where

1311
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: she was at like hitting the pavements, and you know

1312
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: that that's why she included it that night, said.

1313
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 4: What not more than three short years ago. I was

1314
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 4: abandoned so very young, and so I took the shoes

1315
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 4: the shoes. Sometimes I couldn't even I often cried myself

1316
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 4: to sleep, so I had to keep on going, never

1317
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 4: knowing if I could take it, if I could make it.

1318
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 1: She's bridging, and then.

1319
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 2: At the end she is way lay yeah out. I

1320
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 2: had all the instruments and it's just like the drum,

1321
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 2: it's just percussion, but like everything roaring, she's just raw

1322
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 2: because she is preaching.

1323
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 4: She is preaching me as like a six year old girl.

1324
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 4: Was like just I don't know why I needed that

1325
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 4: injected into my veins in that way.

1326
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 2: But yeah, but Diva's Live was like giving you a

1327
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 2: fucking buffet, you know what I mean. That's what we

1328
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 2: need to bring back. It's like get all them on

1329
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 2: the same stage, and you want to know.

1330
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 1: What to It created iconic moments in the culture, such

1331
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: as Selena and Aretha doing their sing off at the end.

1332
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: I reversial amongst the girls like Mariah like, you know,

1333
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,919
Speaker 1: feel some way about it, I think, but like who

1334
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,919
Speaker 1: won that though, I don't think we can confidently say

1335
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: there was a winner.

1336
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 4: I hear you, but like, wasn't one of them kind

1337
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 4: of like just unaffected by it. Some were playing.

1338
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: Think Selene was just in playful mode. I love her

1339
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 1: so much, so much for that. But then you could

1340
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: see some other ladies were like in reverent mode. Like

1341
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 1: Mariah truly was in reverent mode. She was like, you

1342
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 1: don't go up to Aretha and challenge and that's how

1343
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 1: I feel, right, And but Selene, I think maybe because

1344
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 1: like Selene maybe culturally didn't come up in a place

1345
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 1: of like, well she's Canadian, right and sings like a

1346
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 1: different genre. I guess you could say. And then like so,

1347
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 1: but I think like it was just funny to hear

1348
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 1: about later like that Mariah felt like that that was

1349
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: like this, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, let her have them

1350
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:55,439
Speaker 1: the Queen of so she is why we're here. In fact,

1351
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: they built that night around her period. They had to

1352
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 1: turn all the off. This is an iconic thing. Did

1353
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 1: you know about this? She will not sing with air conditioning,

1354
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 1: and so the air conditioning was turned off. I mean

1355
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 1: it was very hot.

1356
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:10,439
Speaker 4: Good for the question.

1357
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 1: Now you can see in this by everyone's footage that

1358
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 1: I everyone they like as if it was church.

1359
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 4: If you want another memoir to read her, it was

1360
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 4: written by Dave Ritz and he interviewed her over years,

1361
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 4: and it's Aretha's memoir. It is so good, really interesting.

1362
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 4: I had no idea what her childhood was like. And

1363
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 4: her father was a creep a famous pastor, mad creepy,

1364
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 4: but really amazing, especially if you guys love Aretha.

1365
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 1: Were you like researching a lot of other.

1366
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 4: I was reading a lot of memoirs in the past

1367
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 4: couple of years. When I was thinking about writing one,

1368
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 4: I'm like, let me just get this all in my

1369
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 4: brain so I can see.

1370
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 1: You must have read Mariah's Yes, truly, I.

1371
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 4: Mean, and her audiobook is really what is so good?

1372
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 1: Are you doing yours? Of course? Of course, and we

1373
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 1: better hear you singing that.

1374
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 4: I still don't know if legally they were able to

1375
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 4: clear with the publishing I just cracked my hand on here.

1376
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 1: I kind of.

1377
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 4: Satisfaction, very satisfying. So yeah, I hope that they were

1378
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 4: able to get clearance because I did sing the words

1379
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 4: and the stuff, So we'll see.

1380
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 1: Oh, we hoped that would be good. I mean, did

1381
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 1: you have emotional moments reading it was there parts that

1382
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 1: were very difficult to get through.

1383
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I did it over the course of like

1384
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 4: five days. It was like five hours a day for

1385
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 4: five days.

1386
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a lot.

1387
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 4: It was cool, It was cool. I'm glad. I couldn't

1388
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 4: have let it go down with anybody else reading it

1389
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 4: that had been so weird. I have a pretty nice

1390
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 4: speaking voice. I felt like I could do it, So.

1391
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 1: We love hearing your voice. But but so in terms

1392
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 1: of like the divas live of it all, we have

1393
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 1: to know if there's five today, and yeah, that's the

1394
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 1: thing is there has to be. I guess it's like

1395
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 1: you have to build it around Beyonce, right.

1396
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 4: You have to build it around Beyonce. Ariana y Ariana.

1397
01:05:55,960 --> 01:06:01,919
Speaker 1: I want Yeah, maybe Adele. I always put Kelly out there.

1398
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 4: Kelly.

1399
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 1: Kelly Carson can sing.

1400
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 4: There's only one. Now I need a country person, Carrie.

1401
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 1: I suppose it's Carrie. She certainly can sing like a motherfucker. Yeah.

1402
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 1: I have a berries trainer who I literally have to

1403
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 1: stop working out every time because he goes after this,

1404
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna be looking like Carrie Underwood And it's just

1405
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:28,920
Speaker 1: the gayest I mean has now becoming celebrity on the

1406
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 1: podcast he needs to be on like but like literally,

1407
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 1: like he always to say, after this, our thighs are

1408
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 1: gonna like carry underwood and I have to put my

1409
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:40,439
Speaker 1: ways down because I'm like, you are so gay. It's

1410
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 1: the best because no one gets it.

1411
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 2: Like the women you everybody knows I've ever seen is

1412
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 2: that like factotum, she really shows them off on the

1413
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 2: album covers.

1414
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 1: Okay, she could be you just cast that like in

1415
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 1: two seconds.

1416
01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 4: I mean you starting with Beyonce and then me with

1417
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 4: Ari and then ale I mean from there.

1418
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:08,439
Speaker 1: We haven't even said the word Jennifer Hudson, you know who.

1419
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 4: Also, I mean miss n I rap oh love, Renee

1420
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 4: kills it. There's so many, There's just so many.

1421
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 1: And isn't that amazing?

1422
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 4: Is it's just like it's a good time.

1423
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 1: It's a really good good like also like you have

1424
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 1: on good to know? Yeah, come watching her moment now,

1425
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 1: Like I.

1426
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 4: Really feel like that's the song of the summer nasty.

1427
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I know.

1428
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 4: It's a controversial topic of what is the song?

1429
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 2: People this year it's harder than ever had we had

1430
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 2: a really good summer.

1431
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 4: I mean espresso for me it's between Espresso and Nasty.

1432
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:45,440
Speaker 1: I think we have to give it to Espresso just

1433
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 1: because of the ubiquity and the fact that it announced

1434
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 1: Sabrina Carpenter in this way that it feels like we're

1435
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 1: never going back now, is it? And it feels like

1436
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 1: Espresso was the most so nasty. Good luck babe, good

1437
01:07:59,160 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 1: luck babe.

1438
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 2: Birds a feather like there. I mean, it was a

1439
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 2: great summer. Like this is like there's a ground swell

1440
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 2: happening in music right now and like there's room for everything,

1441
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 2: and like fuck, like I don't know, like it's exciting

1442
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 2: and like it's just really exciting me that you're you're

1443
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 2: putting up.

1444
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 1: When do you think we'll get it?

1445
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 4: I think really soon.

1446
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 1: You think you want to clear mulan rouge and then

1447
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 1: maybe put it out or you want to, like.

1448
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:25,720
Speaker 4: What I'm thinking, get myself a little, Yeah, let her

1449
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 4: cook a little, you know. But yeah, I've been sitting

1450
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 4: on this, this song for a little bit and just

1451
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 4: wanting to like make sure I got my business in

1452
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:35,760
Speaker 4: order so it can come out and do the thing.

1453
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 4: And yeah, I'm eager.

1454
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 1: Are you is it? Indie? Now? Like are just still

1455
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 1: on your.

1456
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:44,840
Speaker 4: Your over It's on Clover little distro situation, and it's

1457
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 4: it's cool, it's different. It's like, I respect so much

1458
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:50,680
Speaker 4: how Tanache has rolled it out. When you're bringing on

1459
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:53,599
Speaker 4: people and you're doing it independent, but you it's it's

1460
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 4: not for the faint of heart. It's actually a lot

1461
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 4: to learn from doing India.

1462
01:08:57,080 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to pick your brain after this, actually yeah,

1463
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 1: please do Yeah, but anyway, uh, can you give us

1464
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 1: some If you had to describe the new music in

1465
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:07,480
Speaker 1: three words.

1466
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 4: Flirting with pop is three words, perfect.

1467
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:21,840
Speaker 1: Delicious, little hooks. But there's nothing like pop R and

1468
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 1: B music. There's nothing like it. It's why I love

1469
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:29,160
Speaker 1: you so much. Yeah, I just love people who really

1470
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:34,759
Speaker 1: fucking mean what they're singing. And pop music is not trash.

1471
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 1: Pop music actually is very powerful because it gets in

1472
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 1: people's ears. And when you have a meaningful demure, meaning

1473
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 1: like what is it called mindful? If you have a

1474
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 1: mindful singer doing pop music, That's why Sabrina Olivia Rodriguo,

1475
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:54,760
Speaker 1: that's why these girls are killing it because they mean

1476
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:55,719
Speaker 1: what they're singing.

1477
01:09:55,920 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, and imagine that feel it. Yeah, their song writers

1478
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,440
Speaker 4: and they are whether they're writing it themselves, they're collaborating

1479
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 4: doesn't matter. These are their stories and that's why they connect.

1480
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 4: And there's no way to like whatever labels they're signed to.

1481
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 4: Are so lucky to have them because you can't fabricate

1482
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 4: that they are real. They are authentic.

1483
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 1: These girls Chapel too.

1484
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:18,679
Speaker 4: I think Yea is a beast.

1485
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,679
Speaker 1: Beast like that bridge on good Luck, Babe. We haven't

1486
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:23,639
Speaker 1: seen a bridge like that since disaster.

1487
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:26,640
Speaker 4: Guys, I'm gonna be honest with you, this is embarrassing,

1488
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:29,799
Speaker 4: but like I am not deep into the Chapel canon.

1489
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 4: I don't know the world. Yeah, I need to give

1490
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 4: it time. Sure, sure you're gonna like that. I'm gonna

1491
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 4: dive in tomorrow when I'm at the theater. I'm gonna listen.

1492
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 4: I'm gonna think of.

1493
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:42,640
Speaker 1: You both, you think of us and send us to

1494
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 1: sex because there's real writing on there. And she's got

1495
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,839
Speaker 1: a beautiful voice. I remember. So we were just talking

1496
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 1: the other day about like when I first went to

1497
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 1: go see her at the Fonda, and she she had

1498
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 1: this unbelievable voice and her energy on stage. The way

1499
01:10:56,160 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 1: I described it was like Annie Lennox meets Kesha, like

1500
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 1: this like super like conceptual, like weird drag persona that's

1501
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 1: like very fun forward, but this voice from like someplace.

1502
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:14,680
Speaker 2: Else, Yeah, like channeling something where I feel like you

1503
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 2: were channeling something like I feel like.

1504
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 1: I'm pitching to her.

1505
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 4: Okay, you at the yes, my pinstripe pants are.

1506
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 3: Exactly giving, exactly like I'm sold on her. You don't

1507
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:30,680
Speaker 3: need to do it tomorrow. You know this might make

1508
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:33,799
Speaker 3: or brink her. I have to ask you about Iceland.

1509
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 1: To Iceland.

1510
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 2: Then I went to work there and one of my

1511
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 2: favorite experiences of my life.

1512
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:42,759
Speaker 3: Really, where did you you went to Blue Lagoon?

1513
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 1: Which is iconic? I went to Sky Lagoon?

1514
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 4: Okay, I was looking at that one too.

1515
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:47,840
Speaker 1: Really good.

1516
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 2: If you go again, I just think what a beautiful place.

1517
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 2: Didn't feel like Mars, Like, yeah, you feel like you're

1518
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:56,600
Speaker 2: on another planet. The nature is like so unbelievable, Like

1519
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:58,599
Speaker 2: that's where they shot like Interstellar and stuff. It's like,

1520
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 2: where can we go in the world? That makes underrated

1521
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 2: film by the way.

1522
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 1: Really underrated film. Anyway. That's a good edible on your

1523
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 1: day off watch do you still fuck with weed? No?

1524
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 4: It scares me right now, it scares you. Not the

1525
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 4: season for me, for us.

1526
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 1: I get you from marijuana totally see, and we were

1527
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 1: just talking about how you both need to take a

1528
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 1: step back because we're actually our proper Stoners. But the

1529
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 1: thing is, I know sometimes though, like just sitting in

1530
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 1: front in front of an Interstellar like it really was,

1531
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 1: and that's a movie I sob Oh my god, what

1532
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 1: movie makes you cry the hardest?

1533
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:32,760
Speaker 4: Interstellar? I definitely cried for that too.

1534
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:34,680
Speaker 1: Rival. Have you seen that one?

1535
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 4: I haven't seen that. I haven't seen that.

1536
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 1: First of all, Amy Adams is that girl and no one,

1537
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:44,639
Speaker 1: no one can ever say anything to me because she's

1538
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:47,640
Speaker 1: deserved in an oscar several times. Arrival is her best performance.

1539
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:50,559
Speaker 1: It's just it's so beautiful when you really get to

1540
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 1: what it's about, Like it's one of those movies that's like, is.

1541
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 4: It about space too?

1542
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 1: So it's an alien movie, it's an alien encounter movie.

1543
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 1: She plays someone who is like a linguistics professor who

1544
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 1: they bring into communicate with these aliens who they don't

1545
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:02,559
Speaker 1: know what the aliens want.

1546
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 4: And I already have chills.

1547
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 1: So you find out that their concept of time is

1548
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 1: very different, and that speaks to a situation that she

1549
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 1: goes through, and it is an absolutely beautiful message and

1550
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 1: it is one of the great films. That way an

1551
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 1: evil move who did the Dune films directed it. Yeah. Visually,

1552
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 1: very beautiful, very brand new in terms of like yeah,

1553
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:34,640
Speaker 1: like just the way that the creatures are designed, like

1554
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 1: I thought.

1555
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 4: You do get to see the creatures, you do.

1556
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 1: You intimately see them.

1557
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:41,720
Speaker 4: It's not like a big bro little brother.

1558
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 1: They made me shot Heaven like the video productry doesn't

1559
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:51,639
Speaker 1: know me, and so I feel like he just understood

1560
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 1: who I was in a moment, and that's sort of

1561
01:13:53,520 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 1: that's just gonna when they realize my candor Hello, Hello,

1562
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 1: So which ones of the boys in Mulan Rouge do

1563
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 1: you think should date us?

1564
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:16,759
Speaker 4: I love this question?

1565
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:18,840
Speaker 1: Do you really? Yeah?

1566
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 4: Are you both single? Do you want me to?

1567
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 1: By the way, can you give it up for this cover?

1568
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 1: This cover is really good. It came in the mail.

1569
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 1: I took it out of the album. I was like,

1570
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:36,679
Speaker 1: I gass, be honest, not gas. I gassed. You were sent.

1571
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:38,759
Speaker 1: You were probably send a bunch of photos from the shoot.

1572
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 1: When you saw this, you were like, that's her, That's.

1573
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 4: Be honest with you. I did the shoot myself in London.

1574
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:47,479
Speaker 4: We did a whole other shoot. It was just me

1575
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 4: and Ronaldo, who does social stuff. He's he's worked, he's

1576
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 4: been on my team for a long time. We love

1577
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 4: Ronaldo and it was just me, him and the photographer

1578
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 4: in London. I did a whole other shoot with my

1579
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 4: book company. Hated hated it, huh and just went back

1580
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 4: to this shoe and was like, sorry, guys, I know

1581
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 4: you just paid for this whole thing, but like, look

1582
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 4: at this picture.

1583
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:05,439
Speaker 1: This is a beautiful thing.

1584
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:07,599
Speaker 4: Let's let'sten to that.

1585
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 1: See. And also you talk a lot in the book about, like,

1586
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 1: you know, the way that you have been packaged and

1587
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 1: the photos that they've chosen and stuff like that.

1588
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:17,759
Speaker 4: Stupid.

1589
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:19,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but like you know what, that is empowering

1590
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 1: because you're like, I'm gonna tell my story. I'm also

1591
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 1: gonna pick the fucking photo. Yeah.

1592
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,880
Speaker 4: It just had to be that. Yeah, come on, come on,

1593
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 4: We've been doing this too long.

1594
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 1: To say, you know, we're over the influence. I just

1595
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 1: love it. I love it so much. It might be

1596
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 1: time for I don't think so. I don't think so money. Okay,

1597
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:39,840
Speaker 1: so we are. We've arrived at that part of the

1598
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 1: episode where we take sixty seconds to rant against something

1599
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 1: in culture that is bothering us a little bit. Now

1600
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 1: today I'm not going to be so cultural. I'm going

1601
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:51,759
Speaker 1: to talk about something a little personal. And I feel

1602
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 1: like this episode I've been very bodily, and that's not

1603
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:58,840
Speaker 1: gonna stop. Bodily. Bodily. I've been bodily my vocabulary. I've

1604
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:00,920
Speaker 1: been talking about Big Bro what he sort of makes

1605
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 1: my body do. I'm going to talk about what's another

1606
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:05,240
Speaker 1: thing that's happening with my body?

1607
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 2: Uh oh, coming out a different end. No, stop, this

1608
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 2: is Matt Rogers. I don't think so many as time

1609
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:11,760
Speaker 2: starts now, I.

1610
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:13,720
Speaker 1: Don't think so honey. Why is my one foot all

1611
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,720
Speaker 1: of a sudden bigger than my other foot? Is? I

1612
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 1: swear to God, if someone can explain to me what

1613
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 1: is happening? Please. The other night, we were out of wedding,

1614
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 1: I wore some nice shoes. I have these nice boots,

1615
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 1: and I put one foot in one shoe, another foot

1616
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 1: in another shoe, and I realize the one shoe doesn't fit.

1617
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:34,599
Speaker 1: Cut to about three weeks ago, we're with our stylists

1618
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:37,880
Speaker 1: getting ready for a thing we're doing, and I put

1619
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 1: my shoe in one of the I put my foot

1620
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 1: in one of the shoes and it's the same thing.

1621
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 1: So now it's not even discriminating on it's just this

1622
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 1: pair of shoes, like maybe something happened to these leather boots. No,

1623
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 1: it's my foot. Is it the fact that I'm on

1624
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:58,599
Speaker 1: a treadmill a lot? What is happening to stop my feet? Well,

1625
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:02,679
Speaker 1: you put freaks out there, bang out. We can talk

1626
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 1: not against it anyway. Why is my one foot bigger

1627
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:10,040
Speaker 1: than the other? Suddenly, I don't think so, honey, that's

1628
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 1: one man? Anyone is it in every seven years thing? Actually?

1629
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 1: Do you know why one so there is.

1630
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:24,760
Speaker 4: I'm not a doctor and you're not, then shut.

1631
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:29,880
Speaker 1: Up bigger than It's like when women are like, my

1632
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,800
Speaker 1: one tit and I do have that you have one

1633
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 1: bigger tit than the other. I've got one bigger tip.

1634
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:37,559
Speaker 4: I need to explore see which one is bigger.

1635
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:42,720
Speaker 1: It's like, I guess it makes sense. It makes and

1636
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 1: I'm literally, as I'm talking right now, I'm realizing my

1637
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 1: one foot just feels bigger. I also think, you know

1638
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 1: what I think I have? So every single morning, when

1639
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:53,960
Speaker 1: I wake up, the back like above my heel feels sore,

1640
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:55,760
Speaker 1: and when I get up, I'm like when I walk,

1641
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:58,880
Speaker 1: I'm like oh, oh, I think I have achilles. I

1642
01:17:59,000 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 1: think I have that to.

1643
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 4: Achilles thing is.

1644
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 1: Tender right and sore. And when I was feeling the one,

1645
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:08,640
Speaker 1: especially on the right, I was like, is there a

1646
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:09,559
Speaker 1: little bit of a bump here?

1647
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:13,600
Speaker 4: Inserts for our shoes? Is that where we're at?

1648
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:19,240
Speaker 1: Suddenly you're identifying al It took me was It's like

1649
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 1: achilles tendonitis. And I think I think you'all did to

1650
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 1: go to the diatress. No, that's you know what I mean?

1651
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 1: That is foot tea, foot tea. I wish my foot was. See,

1652
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:33,679
Speaker 1: my foot is not tea. My body's been kind of lily.

1653
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 1: My foot is not tea. Everybody is stop, We'll just

1654
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 1: tell any one of those absolutely stacked dancers. Yeah. Actually,

1655
01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:44,160
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, sometimes I'm like I like

1656
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 1: them all, okay, the one you talked about. But also

1657
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm like, if a guy like that was interested

1658
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:51,720
Speaker 1: in me, I don't even know if I would know

1659
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:54,439
Speaker 1: what to do with Now. I know, I'm sure figure

1660
01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:57,880
Speaker 1: it out, but like, wow, like I used to say,

1661
01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:00,519
Speaker 1: like my idea would be with a Broadway dancer, and

1662
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:02,720
Speaker 1: that still holds true. It's still it's true, But it's

1663
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:05,519
Speaker 1: like it's like a little intimidating these men are. Let

1664
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:07,600
Speaker 1: them lead. They know what they're doing, you know what

1665
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 1: I mean. Let them hear that, Let them lead, Let

1666
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 1: them lead. It's actually really coaching number nineteen. Let them lead,

1667
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 1: they know what they're doing. Re Broadway dancers. So that's

1668
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 1: If anyone out there can tell me why my one

1669
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:23,800
Speaker 1: foot is suddenly bigger than the other end wasn't always,

1670
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:26,640
Speaker 1: that'll be amazing. And yes, I check the sizing of

1671
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 1: the shoe and they wear the same size. It's not

1672
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 1: the shoe. Not the shoe, you say, Laurent. You continue

1673
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:34,760
Speaker 1: to do wonderful work. A shoe I was gifted dinner.

1674
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:38,559
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Yes, that wasn't a flex, but so

1675
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 1: what if it was? So what if it was? I'm sorry, okay, ready,

1676
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:45,880
Speaker 1: I'm ready. This will be Bow and Yang's. I don't

1677
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:50,360
Speaker 1: think so, honey. And if I can find my stopwatch, wait,

1678
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:52,600
Speaker 1: oh there it is. Sometimes I get confused and I

1679
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 1: go to the calculator one instead of the clock. They're similar.

1680
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:56,960
Speaker 1: Oh that's and I don't think so money right there,

1681
01:19:57,080 --> 01:20:00,439
Speaker 1: design flaw apple, are you listening, Hey, this is the

1682
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 1: one thing I don't think so, honey. As time starts now,

1683
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:03,080
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey.

1684
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:05,639
Speaker 2: Why is women's tennis best out of three and men's

1685
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 2: tennis best out of five? I just learned that this

1686
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:10,599
Speaker 2: weekend after going to the Open. That doesn't make any

1687
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 2: sense to me. I want to see the women play

1688
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:15,519
Speaker 2: a little longer, if anything. But if we're striving for

1689
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:17,760
Speaker 2: gender parody, then I think we might as well just

1690
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 2: make up the same rules.

1691
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 1: Everything else is the same. Why could the number of

1692
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 1: sets be the same. I cannot believe what I was seeing.

1693
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 1: I was seeing Pagoula go against.

1694
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:31,040
Speaker 2: Swy techy tech Okay, that was a thrilling game, and

1695
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:33,040
Speaker 2: then that and admits too soon, and then I goes,

1696
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:37,000
Speaker 2: I just see mister Sinner go up against what's his face?

1697
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:39,799
Speaker 1: Taylor Fritz? Not Taylor Fritz at the quarter final?

1698
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:42,559
Speaker 2: It was it was someone else. But I was just like,

1699
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 2: I think I would have preferred to watch the.

1700
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 1: Women play longer. Yeah, I'm a news I get it now. Fifteen.

1701
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 2: I lost so much time in my life not standing tennis.

1702
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:53,720
Speaker 2: Now I finally do sports are back, y'all. I mean,

1703
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 2: this Olympics really lit a fire under my ass. Now

1704
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:59,599
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm second it on every damn, I'm doing

1705
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:00,760
Speaker 2: a little wars around the house.

1706
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:03,160
Speaker 1: I'm putting the game on. That's why, Menda, this is

1707
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:04,440
Speaker 1: our big sports.

1708
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:08,720
Speaker 4: Year in the game to see it for you, and

1709
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:11,439
Speaker 4: I want to put the game on too. When I

1710
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:13,200
Speaker 4: saw Challengers, that's when.

1711
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:15,959
Speaker 1: I first of all round of applause, so good.

1712
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 4: So hot, loved it. But then I started taking tennis

1713
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 4: lessons because I'm like, I want a tennis bae. I

1714
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 4: think that's a sexy thing. I did watch none of

1715
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 4: the US Open.

1716
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 1: Where did I go?

1717
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:28,000
Speaker 4: It's not okay and it needs to change next year.

1718
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:30,840
Speaker 1: I haven't watch any either, except when we went to

1719
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:32,840
Speaker 1: the men's final and I didn't even know who Tyler

1720
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:36,720
Speaker 1: Fritz was. He in fact competed in the final of

1721
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:37,760
Speaker 1: the US Men's Open.

1722
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:39,599
Speaker 4: I've been thinking about this all night long.

1723
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 1: Okay, this is really good. Okay, so this is Joe's

1724
01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, Joanna, Jojo Levesque. Her time

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Speaker 1: starts now.

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Speaker 4: I don't think so honey. Why do you say? I

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Speaker 4: don't know if either of you say it like this important?

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Speaker 4: When did people start doing it like that? Is this

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Speaker 4: a Kardashian speak? And like the slow down and that

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Speaker 4: everything up. Also, do I speak like this now? Like

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01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 4: people speaking like they're from this region that doesn't exist,

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Speaker 4: or like you know what I mean, it's like it

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Speaker 4: no longer, and I think it's because of I think

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Speaker 4: it's La not not LA's fault, but it is probably

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Speaker 4: keeping up with the Kardashian's fault, right, Yeah, the slow

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Speaker 4: speak the and I'm sorry if I don't. I don't

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Speaker 4: know who speaks this way, but I started seeing it.

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Speaker 4: It reminds me of like the demure and stuff like that,

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01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 4: but like important, yes, yeah, when did we start breaking

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01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 4: like this? It's beautiful? I like it. It makes me

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01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 4: feel good in a little asmri and tingly. But but

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Speaker 4: what inspired us to speak this way?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 4: And also like it's interesting when I have to ask

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01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:41,320
Speaker 4: people like where are you from? Because you just sound

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01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:44,600
Speaker 4: like a Kardashian, right, I mean, so, how am I

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01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 4: going to fill up these last three seconds? Do I

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01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:48,400
Speaker 4: sound like this too? Am I aware of what I

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01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 4: sound like? Anyway?

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Speaker 1: That's one minute you are. You've really pinpointed something that

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01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 1: has bothered me so much, And this is why it's

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01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 1: a great I don't think so, honey, because I've never

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Speaker 1: said it out loud. There are people who be like

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Speaker 1: important important, Yeah, they will hit all that and sometimes

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know, is it like an accent?

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01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 1: Is there just like is there a regionalism where I

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01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:13,160
Speaker 1: don't want to like be like why are you saying

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01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:15,680
Speaker 1: it like that? But it's enough people now where I'm like,

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01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:16,439
Speaker 1: what's happening?

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01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:17,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a trend.

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Speaker 2: I think can you both can you both say the

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Speaker 2: word as you would say important important?

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Speaker 4: And I don't think that's correct.

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Speaker 1: I think that is correct. First of all, they're going

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01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 1: to be like not not a mask important important, it's

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Speaker 1: important important.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I've been called out because I say, I say picture,

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Speaker 1: like picture, picture, and I say, remember, like member, how

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Speaker 1: do you say museum?

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01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 2: Do I say it weird that you actually say it

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Speaker 2: in thet way? Museum, museum, music, museum, like it's museum.

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01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:52,759
Speaker 1: How do you say it museum?

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01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:56,320
Speaker 4: Um, museum, but that's just being museum.

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Speaker 1: How do you how do you say? How do you

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01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:01,639
Speaker 1: say that the thing of a house a roof?

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Speaker 4: Okay, but my granddad used to say a rough rough.

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01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:07,559
Speaker 1: But I say I say a rum Yeah, I say

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01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 1: I'm going to my room. How do you go to

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01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 1: my room, this room. How do you say the video

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01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 1: game character that wears a red hat.

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Speaker 4: Mario Mario, I'm on island.

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Speaker 1: I am like, if that's the thing, is like, if

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Speaker 1: I ever get a little angry or a little drunk,

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Speaker 1: he comes out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, my Boston self comes out. And it's like I've

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01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 4: lived in l A a long time, but when I get

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Speaker 4: drunk or angry, it's coming out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. You absolutely said Wicked earlier. Yeah, and you weren't

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Speaker 1: talking about it. Remember four film? Are you excited? Oh

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Speaker 1: my god?

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Speaker 4: Am I excited?

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Speaker 1: Have you seen that? No?

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Speaker 4: I saw it in the West End, so I.

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Speaker 1: Have seen it.

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Speaker 2: So funny, I'm sorry, funny because they really dig it

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Speaker 2: because they speak in British accents in that show.

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Speaker 1: It's so funny.

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Speaker 2: Just like just the difference is so popular. Yaw, it's like,

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Speaker 2: oh yeah, sure that works.

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Speaker 1: You know. There's been so the Wicked trailers have come out,

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Speaker 1: and I want to say, if you want to and

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01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 1: this is I'm just saying it. The best Wicked trailer

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Speaker 1: yet is the Italian Wicked trailer. The other night, I

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01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:20,680
Speaker 1: gotta watch it. I don't know why internationally trailers are

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01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:24,639
Speaker 1: different than domestic trailers, but for some reason, they will

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Speaker 1: send out different versions of different cuts of entire trailers.

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01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:32,360
Speaker 1: I guess to market the film differently. I think my opinion,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know this America audiences don't want to

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Speaker 1: know that it's a musical. Well America, it's the studios

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01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 1: don't like to tell people that it's a musical because

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Speaker 1: they believe if audiences know something as a musical, they

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Speaker 1: won't come. So a lot of times they try to

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Speaker 1: make the movie look like a Marvel movie or like,

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01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:48,880
Speaker 1: you know, it's.

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Speaker 4: They tried to hide that The Mean Girl's Reboot was

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Speaker 4: a music. Yes, they did try awareness until later, Yes, and.

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Speaker 1: Then it was full on, which is in fact, the

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Speaker 1: reason it existed is because there was the musical on

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Speaker 1: Broadway and then it was this. But they what they

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Speaker 1: will do, I think, or what they're doing with the

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01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 1: Wicked trailer is I think they assume that maybe a

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01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:09,519
Speaker 1: lot of people in America know the story, and so

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01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:12,160
Speaker 1: they're just building an around big set pieces and like

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01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 1: trying to capitalize on the fact that this is a

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01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:19,280
Speaker 1: story about two women who support each other, whereas like

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Speaker 1: the Italian trailer kind of tells the story a little

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01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:24,400
Speaker 1: bit more about the fact that they are actually at

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01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:27,559
Speaker 1: odds throughout most of it, because you know what I mean,

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01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:30,559
Speaker 1: Like I think there's something more international happening with the

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01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:33,439
Speaker 1: way they're trying to get the story across okay, and

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01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:38,200
Speaker 1: then the American trailer, in my opinion, is more capitalizing

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01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:41,320
Speaker 1: on look at how beautiful this looks. These are the stars,

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01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:44,679
Speaker 1: you know, everyone gets sort of a little moment, whereas

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01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:47,559
Speaker 1: like the other trailer is like, this is the narrative

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Speaker 1: that you'll be seeing unfold, so interesting, depending on what

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01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:53,040
Speaker 1: I guess people need to decide if they're going to

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Speaker 1: buy a ticket, which I don't know what's in dispute,

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Speaker 1: it's wicked, Like.

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Speaker 4: Do you speak Italian or how do you know like

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01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:02,000
Speaker 4: what's being narrated as far as the trailer or you

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01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 4: just know from the way they're piecing it together.

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Speaker 1: Subtitles are amazing thing.

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01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:10,040
Speaker 4: Subtitles wow especial roller coaster number one hundred amazing, one

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01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:12,280
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty years old. I'm not familiar with do you.

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01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 1: Do you know? But if you're one hundred and fifty,

1847
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 1: then do you ever like when you're watching TV? Do

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01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:16,760
Speaker 1: you do the subtitles?

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01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 4: Because because my vision is impaired because I'm in my

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01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:21,840
Speaker 4: mid thirties, so I need the help I can.

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01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:23,960
Speaker 1: What a journey we've been on this episode, the.

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01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:26,160
Speaker 4: Whole bridge that I crossed to accept when you.

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01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:29,400
Speaker 1: Said you wouldn't accept it now you've identified as elderly.

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01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:34,280
Speaker 1: Well except yeah, Command War. This episode has aged you,

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01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:37,000
Speaker 1: but in a beautiful way. Thank you. You've told your

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01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:39,160
Speaker 1: story and what not just here on the episode, but

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01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:43,800
Speaker 1: in this amazing book September seventeenth, Over the Influence. Wow,

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01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:48,680
Speaker 1: this is really you did such an amazing job. And

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01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 1: what I will say is, I know you didn't use

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01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 1: a ghostwriter, which had to be scary and like and

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01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:55,960
Speaker 1: a lot, but I will say, what an amazing choice

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01:27:56,160 --> 01:28:00,719
Speaker 1: because you know this came from you, and in that way,

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01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:05,440
Speaker 1: it's a real page turner because you there's no pretense

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01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:10,240
Speaker 1: and there's no dilly delling, and there's no obviously there's editing,

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01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 1: but there's no editing. You know. What I'm saying is

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01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:14,919
Speaker 1: it's like this is this is it feels like what happened.

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01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:18,840
Speaker 1: And I just really fucking respect you even more than

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01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 1: I already did because of how beautifully you told this,

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01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:22,639
Speaker 1: and I thank you for it.

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01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 4: Thank you for gassing me up this whole episode. You guys,

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01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 4: I am about to go out and take over the world.

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Speaker 1: Y'all?

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01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:28,320
Speaker 4: Thank you?

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01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:33,639
Speaker 1: Can they call us too well to call us Molly pills,

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01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:37,840
Speaker 1: Molly Pills, Molly Pills. No, no, no no, we're just

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01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:40,400
Speaker 1: trying to I was trying to deflect the compliment and

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01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:42,800
Speaker 1: I ended up being silly. But the fact is, we

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Speaker 1: fucking we love it absolutely.

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Speaker 4: I adore you. I'm honored to be sitting on this

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01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:57,439
Speaker 4: burn orange velvet vels. Okay, guys, I'm a fucking last couch.

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Speaker 4: I am so excited, oh my god, so much.

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01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:02,960
Speaker 1: We saw the door. And the fact is we end

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Speaker 1: every episode with a song.

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01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:12,719
Speaker 5: It's just a little little you know, all right, doing

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01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:21,960
Speaker 5: the same, you know, it's just too little to lay Wow.

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Speaker 2: Black culture at This is the production by Will Ferrell's

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01:29:26,439 --> 01:29:27,839
Speaker 2: Big Money Players and I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Podcasts, created and hosted by Matt Rodgers and Bowen Yang.

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01:29:31,160 --> 01:29:33,679
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01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:36,840
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