1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. Welcome to stuff I 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: never told you protection of by Heart Radio, and welcome 3 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: to another classic. I am bringing back an episode I 4 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: did a minus, Samantha because you had COVID at the time. 5 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: I really did do a lot of episodes that they 6 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: were rude to do without you. This one, I don't 7 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: think as much. It was about a doctor, Ellie Sadler 8 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: from Jurassic Park. Oh, okay, okay, yes, which I love. 9 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: I love Jurassic Park. I talk about it in this episode. 10 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: But I've got like the collectible cards, and I read 11 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: what's on her card and here. I also am someone 12 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: who has a lot of critiques about the newer movies. 13 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: And one of the reasons I'm bringing this pack because 14 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: I just watched the newest movie it's available on streaming 15 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 1: and it's not no sponsors. Oh it's Scarlett Johansson. Yes, 16 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: man's sexiest, sexiest man alive. John Bailey yea, yeah, I 17 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: couldn't believe. Go ahead, Jonathan, No, yeah, I have no judgment. 18 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: But it's just funny because I hadn't seen him in 19 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: anything else that I could immediately think of. But bridgeton, baby, 20 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: I haven't he was he was the maid. I haven't 21 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: seen Bridrickton, so that that's what made him big. Okay, okay, 22 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 1: all right, well I just saw him where he's a 23 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: nerd in this movie. Okay, Well, you know, nerves are 24 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 1: sexy now, nerds are been sexy for a while. They 25 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: have they have to be real. Honest, he's the first gay, 26 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: uh sexiest man alive, I believe. Oh out, Oh interesting, 27 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Okay, well maybe I'll aready watch 28 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: it and things for you. Maybe I don't know. I did. 29 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,639 Speaker 1: I have to say I enjoyed it a lot better, 30 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: a lot more than the Chris prowt ones. Okay, yeah, 31 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 1: and you can hear me talking about that and my 32 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: issues with that and our again Stmantha was not their 33 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: disaster horror movie episode where I have a whole thing 34 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: about Jurassic World and why I was so mad about 35 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: it and how I thought it was incredibly sexist. Okay, yes, yes, 36 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: oh gosh, now I want to go into all my thoughts. 37 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:40,119 Speaker 1: We can't. This is the classic. Please enjoy this classic episode. Hey, 38 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: this is Annie and welcome to stuff one never told 39 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: you production of iHeartRadio. And yes, unfortunately I am still 40 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: by myself. But I think that's okay. I mean, I'm 41 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: sad I miss Samantha, but I think it's okay for 42 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: this one because we have talked about Jurassic Park before 43 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: on here, She's talked about it on the dailies like guys, 44 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: So I think she she'll be fine with not being 45 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 1: present for this one. As much as we'll miss her. 46 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: She will be back. Do not worry. I yeah, it's 47 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: just a scheduling thing and an illness thing, but she 48 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: will be back. So today, yes we are talking about 49 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: Jassic Park. We are talking about doctor Ellie Sadler, who 50 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: I wasn't going to necessarily do, but it just felt 51 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: so fitting because it is the thirtieth anniversary of Jurassic Park, 52 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: and we have been talking a lot about disaster movies lately. 53 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: I think some of that is coming out after this, 54 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: some about before, but like a lot of content around it, 55 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: and I was like, you know what, just want to 56 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: mark it off my list. Also, I have a really 57 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: fun update about my cards that I mentioned, my Jurassic 58 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: Park collectible cards that I had as a kid. Well, 59 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: what's fun? You want to stick around for the update? Okay? 60 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: So I would say, see our recent women in creature 61 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: features deserves to die. That whole idea women in archaeology 62 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: and paleontology. I feel like there's something I'm forgetting. I 63 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: talk about her a lot. She was an impactful character. 64 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: I told the story in our Archaeology Paleontology episodes. I 65 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: watched this movie when I was not supposed to as 66 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: a kid. I loved her. I dressed as her at 67 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: Dragon Con the first time I went. She was one 68 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: of my costumes, and a lot of people were dressing 69 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: her this year because it is the thirtieth anniversary, and 70 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: she came up. We had it pretty rousing, me and 71 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: my friend's conversation about Jurassic Park and the newer Jurassic 72 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: Parks and Michael Crichton and I learned a lot. I 73 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: learned a lot. But all right, that being said, let's 74 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: get into it. Doctor Ellie Sadler, based on Michael Crichton's books. 75 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 1: The character in the books who I learned in this 76 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: conversation is pretty problematic. It was first introduced to a 77 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: lot of us in the nineteen ninety three Blockbolster hit 78 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: Jurassic Park. She's played by Laura Dern. She has a 79 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 1: paleobotanist invited to Jurassic Park along with her coworker Alan 80 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: Grant by John Hammond, who is looking to get some 81 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: experts to sign off on the safety of having basically 82 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: a theme park which genetically engineered dinosaurs. This is one 83 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: of those things where I'm not sure how much I 84 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: need to explain, but basically, this rich guy, doctor Jon Hammond, 85 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 1: has made this theme park with genetically engineered dinosaurs and 86 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: he wants experts in the field to sign off on 87 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: it so he can get the lawyers to back off. Okay, So, 88 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: at first Ellie is in all of the extinct plant 89 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: she's seeing of the dinosaurs, but it quickly turns to 90 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: concern and her opinion that she believes that the whole 91 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: thing is dangerous and that when it comes to the 92 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: plants in particular, which is her area of expertise, they 93 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: were chosen because they looked good even though they were deadly. 94 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: When they go on their tour of the park, she 95 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: tries to get Alan to ride with kids Tim and 96 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: Lex who are him AND's grandkids. I had such a 97 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: crush on Tim when I was a kid, but Alan 98 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 1: is able to escape them, and if you haven't seen 99 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: the movie or you don't remember. Ellie and Allen get 100 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: into a disagreement when the movie starts about kids, because 101 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: she really wants them, he really doesn't. It's never outright 102 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,919 Speaker 1: clear that they're in a relationship, even though Alan at 103 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: one part says he they are, but it could be 104 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: he's just trying to scare off doctor Ian Malcolm played 105 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: by Jeff Goldbloom, who was flirting with her. Uh for sure. 106 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: So as this tour goes on, they simple upon us 107 00:06:56,080 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: sick try Sarah tops and Ellie cries happy tears. It comes, 108 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: is determined to figure out why it's sick, going arm 109 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: deep into a huge pile of dinos to analyze it 110 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: without qualms. Tenacious Ian says, and a lot of people 111 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: point to the scene is like, oh, she's that, because 112 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: it wasn't. It wasn't played as like, oh, this woman 113 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: is doing this, how silly or how gross or how improper. 114 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: It was more like she was just doing her job, 115 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: and no one really thought that much of it other 116 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: than Tenacious very willing to get her hands dirty, as 117 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: you might say, She elects to stay with the triceratops, 118 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: meaning she is not attacked by the t Rex the 119 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: people who continue on the tour are. When she learns 120 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: the others maybe in danger. After the dinosaurs escape, she 121 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: volunteers to go with hunter Robert Muldoon to retrieve them, 122 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: which ultimately results in them rescuing Ian and escaping at 123 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: rampaging t Rex say escape, Ellie helps heal Ian and 124 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: tries to convince Hammond that what matters is saving the 125 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: ones they love, not the park. She once again volunteers 126 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: to tread dangerous territory with Muldoon to turn the power on, 127 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: arguing with Hammond about sexism and survival situations when he 128 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: says he's really the one that should be going. With 129 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: the help of Muldoon and later Ian, she is able 130 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: to sprint through a jungle while being hunted by raptors, 131 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: turn on the power, and then escape said raptors when 132 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: it turns out they are in the power station. One 133 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: in particular, A lot of people make mention of the 134 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: fact she loses her pink over shirt during the scene. 135 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: I never really thought anything of that, but huh. Interesting. 136 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: She reunites with Alan and together they are all able 137 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:59,599 Speaker 1: to escape the park. Into first movie, I'm going to 138 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: briefly over her appearances and the other ones. I'm not 139 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: nearly as familiar with that, but I have seen all 140 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: of them. Ellie briefly reappears in Jurassic Park three, when 141 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: it's revealed she married a man from the State Department 142 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: and they have two kids together. A part of the 143 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: reason she and Alan didn't work out is implied to 144 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 1: be their disagreement about having kids and that he loves dinosaurs. First, 145 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: she had become a children's writer. I really don't remember that, 146 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: but that's what I read. She and Alan were still friends, however, 147 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: and he's stopped by Ellie's house regularly and knew her 148 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: husband and kids. They knew him. She helped save Alan 149 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: during the events of Jurassic Park three. Basically he calls 150 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 1: her and is like, send everyone. She next appeared cinematically, 151 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:51,559 Speaker 1: at least in Jurassic World Dominion, where we see her 152 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: doing research on swarms of giant genetically engineered locust eating crops. 153 00:09:56,280 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 1: She discovers the big bad Evil Company is responsible, sets 154 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 1: out to prove what they're doing, joining up with Alan 155 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: and Ian and later all the new crew. They're able 156 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: to escape and they go to DC to testify about 157 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: what they've learned Ellie befriends both Maizie and Claire, and 158 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,599 Speaker 1: I didn't mention this in our recent Disaster Women in 159 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: Disaster Movies episode, where I did talk about Claire's character 160 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: for a bit. There's the whole heel gate where she 161 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: wore heels while she was in the jungle and running 162 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: from t rex. I feel like you all know about that, 163 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: and I didn't really need to talk about it. Plus, 164 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: it's kind of complicated because Bryce Dallis Howard said she 165 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: wanted to hold onto that piece of femininity of Claire, 166 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: and who am I to say? But there was kind 167 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: of a smaller similar issue with this with Ellie where 168 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: Laura Dern said she made the choice to not wear 169 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: makeup in this movie as sort of a feminist choice. 170 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: I think those are both sort of a murky murky 171 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: shoes that we've talked about in other episodes. But I 172 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: did want to mention that. Okay, so I want to 173 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: break down some stuff with this character. I do think 174 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: the timing of this movie is interesting of a lot 175 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: of the movies we've been talking about. It's sort of 176 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: the nineties during third wave feminism, and she was while 177 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: there was a lot of flirting with her with doctor 178 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: Ian Malcolm a little bit with Alan in the first 179 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: movie specifically, she's never quite the love interest. She does 180 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: her share of the rescuing, like she rescues Ian, she 181 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: helps rescue Alan, and she has a few pretty choice 182 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: lines like dinosaur eats man, woman inherits the Earth. And then, 183 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: as I said, we can discuss sexism in survival situations later, 184 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: as I mentioned in that disaster women in Disaster Film's episode, 185 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: they are scientists, not action heroes. I remember being so 186 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: impressed with her whole scene turning on the power when 187 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: she's like running from the raptor in the jungle. She 188 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: gets in and she cries, but it doesn't feel weak. 189 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: It feels like which is how it's often portrayed. I 190 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,199 Speaker 1: don't think crying is weak, but I feel like it's 191 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: offen portrayed as like all this woman is crying. But 192 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: it felt very much more like this release of she jumped, 193 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: done this dangerous, amazing thing and survive and then escaping 194 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: the raptor after that, and speaking to that point, she 195 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: does have moments of vulnerability and emotion, but it's not, 196 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: in my opinion, portrayed this week, and in fact, it's 197 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: kind of portrayed is powerful at the point where she 198 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: breaks down Hammond's kind of flimsy defense where he's talking 199 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: about why he wanted to make this park, why he 200 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: wanted it to be real, and she's like, no, it 201 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,359 Speaker 1: was all an illusion. You bought into it, so did I, 202 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: and now people are in danger because of it, and 203 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: that ultimately is what convinses him to change his mind. 204 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: So I always liked that about her. She doesn't lose 205 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: that piece of what's traditionally coded as feminine, but it 206 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: feels powerful that she has those moments and that they 207 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: feel genuine. Another thing is this whole conversation the choice 208 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: of having kids, because she does ultimately decide to be 209 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: sort of a stay at home mom, and her and 210 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: Alan don't pursue a relationship because he doesn't want kids, 211 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: but neither of them are demonized for her choices. And 212 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: this was something that they had been open with since 213 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: the first film. And I think that is key, going 214 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: back to how what we talked about with Claire in 215 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: the New Jurassic World and how she's sort of demonized 216 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: for not wanting kids. Alan's not demonized for not wanting kids. 217 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: She's not demonized for wanting kids. We could argue, like 218 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 1: if the positions had been swapped, who's to say, But 219 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like she like was lesser in any 220 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: way or he was lesser in any way, and they 221 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,679 Speaker 1: were they were pretty equal partners in this. That being said, 222 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: she does end up with Alan later and it's sort 223 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: of It brought up a lot of conversations about the 224 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: age gap between Sam Neil and Laura Dern, who is 225 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: twenty years and I think Laura Dern was twenty five 226 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: for the first one, So it feels not great that 227 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: they're kind of ending up together. And yeah, there's been 228 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: a lot of discussion about that and how a lot 229 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: of what the new ones have done kind of feels 230 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: like it's going backwards in terms of that. But that 231 00:14:49,000 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: is a conversation people were having. I also wanted to 232 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: do a brief mention of lex who is the young 233 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: teenage girl, the vegetarian hacker in this who does save 234 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: the day. Ultimately, she uses her reacting skills to get 235 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: them all out of there. She has a very brave 236 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: moment where she saves her brother in that kitchen. That's 237 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: the scariest scene to me. I would say she's kind 238 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: of portrayed as a bit of a joke, but between 239 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: her and Tim, I feel like they're evenly balanced and 240 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: who gets to do the saving, who gets to do 241 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: the like knowledgeable thing, and ultimately, yeah, she does save 242 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: the day. So I always liked that as a kid, 243 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: going back to the all the dinosaurs or women thing, 244 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: so they can't breed in the wild. I did find 245 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: a whole article about the clever Girl trope of when 246 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: Muldoon is tracking these raptors and he's like this seasoned 247 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: hunter and they trick him and get him and kill him. 248 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: That's also a disturbing scene, and he says the last thing. 249 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: He says it's clever girl. But they were talking about 250 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: the power of women coming together, working together and getting 251 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: stuff done. Also, I do want to say, you know, 252 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: I don't know how realistic. A lot it's not really 253 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: very realistic, but it was an example of women in 254 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: stem with Lex and Ellie, and a pretty pretty powerful one, 255 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: a pretty solid one. I feel like, going back to 256 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: what I said about Ellie, when she digs into that 257 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: mountain of sh it's just she just does it. She 258 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: just does it because it's part of her job and 259 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: no one questions it, and I'd never really noticed this before, 260 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: but I do love that someone was like Ian is 261 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: the damsel in distressing this one in his famous pose 262 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: where he's like kind of sexually laid out with his 263 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:05,959 Speaker 1: shirt open. She's the one that saved him. While at 264 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: the same time, Alan, who's the other main male character 265 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: in this equation, is the one who's protecting the kids. 266 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: So I thought that was interesting. But all of that 267 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: being said, that brings us to the teaser I promised 268 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 1: about the cards. So I collected these cards when I 269 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 1: was a kid, and on the front I did a 270 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: very artistic glow in the dark crown illustration about how 271 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: much I loved dressing park. This is all true, but 272 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: I found it and then I didn't really look into it. 273 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 1: But my friend when she visited, was like, let's read 274 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: the back of these cards, and boy am I glad 275 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: she recommended that, So we're going to read it now. 276 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: So here is the back of Ellie's card. Doctor Ellie's 277 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: Sadler is a paleobotanist, late twenties, athletic looking, ambitious and impatient. 278 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: Doctor Satler also has her domestic side, obviously in love 279 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: with Grant. She wants to marry him, and I'm sorry, 280 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, oh okay, Well, let us compare that 281 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: with what it says in the back of Malcolm's card. 282 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: Doctor Iam Malcolm is a mathematician, chaotician, and hipster dresser 283 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:33,959 Speaker 1: all black clothes, sunglasses, snake skin boots. Malcolm believes that 284 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: the interaction of systems on Jurassic Park and the unknowns 285 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: of bioengineering are too complex and therefore bound to fail. 286 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 1: So much less settled down, get married. And then here 287 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:54,719 Speaker 1: is Alan Grant, palaeontologists thirty ish, intensely focused on his work, 288 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: less so on his appearance. This is doctor Alan Grant. 289 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: He's I could looking and used to roughing it after 290 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: long stretches in the desert digging up dinosaur bones. Grant 291 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: doesn't like kids, which is a problem for his girlfriend 292 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: slash partner, doctor Ellie's Satler. I could go on and on. 293 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: There are some real gems in here, but I did 294 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: think that was sort of It didn't surprise me, but 295 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: it was sort of annoying because here I am singing 296 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: the praises of this character, and in the merchandise, she's 297 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 1: still reduced too. She wants to have kids and get 298 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: married with this guy. And he is described as someone 299 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: who's really into his work and it doesn't matter how 300 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: he looks. I don't know about that. I don't know 301 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 1: about that, but yes, that is what I have to 302 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 1: say about this for now. I'm sure I will come 303 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 1: back and read some more of these cards, because they 304 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: really there's some good ones in here. But all right, 305 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: in the meantime, please let us know if you have 306 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: any suggestions. Like I said, I know that you all 307 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: have sent some in. There is a list. I'm just 308 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: because I'm by myself. I'm doing some of the ones 309 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 1: that will be more contained and that I know a 310 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: lot about. But there. I love these suggestions, so please 311 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: keep those coming. You can email us this stuffan the 312 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 1: mom Stuff at iHeartMedia dot com. 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