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Speaker 1: Golf. Is that they anything in golf that doesn't change,

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Speaker 1: anything that changes the best in playing? Does this man

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Speaker 1: a one time winner on the PGA Tour. The point

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Speaker 1: Alan is he didn't go Hollywood. You need a fourth Well, Michael,

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Speaker 1: this is the point in the programmer. We always tip

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Speaker 1: our caps to our corporate sponsors, Echo who the purveyors

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Speaker 1: a very stylish and comfortable footwear that I know you're

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Speaker 1: a fan of as m I, Um, I feel like

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Speaker 1: you have someone you want to stay here the jump

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Speaker 1: in please you know I actually enjoyed this part against

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Speaker 1: all odds. But you don't want to ask me the

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Speaker 1: question I've tied up for you. Oh yes, you want

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Speaker 1: to discuss laces and laces? Yes, I think part Thank

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Speaker 1: you for reminding me. Um, I think part of a

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Speaker 1: quality product. No matter what the product is, whether it's

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Speaker 1: a Mercedes Benz or or an Echo golf shoe. UM

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Speaker 1: attention to detail is always paid. Our guest today, Sean

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Speaker 1: Foley is from Orlando. Orlando is a longtime home of

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Speaker 1: Arnold Palmer. I dropped Arnold Palmer's name way too often,

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Speaker 1: but also every opportunity I can, and one Arnold's things

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Speaker 1: was before every tournament, put in a new pair of laces,

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Speaker 1: because you don't want to be like Saturday morning in

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Speaker 1: the lace breaks, Like I got a lot of other

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Speaker 1: things in my mind. I really don't want to be

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Speaker 1: putting a new laces. So he put new laces every week.

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Speaker 1: I think that every time. By the way, every time

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Speaker 1: I wear golf shoes, it's only Echo shoes because as

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Speaker 1: were the only shoes I own. Um, but I think

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Speaker 1: don't need to change them ever they seem to I

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Speaker 1: don't know what they've done right, but they do the

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Speaker 1: two things you want. They don't break and they stay tired.

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Speaker 1: Have you had a and I've not died your echo shoes.

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Speaker 1: You've got a different one You've got You've got a wide,

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Speaker 1: flat lace. I've got more of a knotted kind of lace.

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Speaker 1: But it's got a cotton quality to it that holds

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Speaker 1: its grip. If that's the term of the art. I'm

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Speaker 1: inspired by the care and the thought you've put into

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Speaker 1: all I know is I put my Echo shoes on.

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Speaker 1: They work, They sticked me to the ground during my

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Speaker 1: incredibly fast swing speed and their comfy and they look

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Speaker 1: good and um so thank you echo back dena fourth Well,

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Speaker 1: Jeff Michael, I'm very excited about our guest today. He

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Speaker 1: is one of the pre eminent swing coaches on the planet.

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Speaker 1: Has taken both a male and female player to world

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Speaker 1: number one. Um, it's not but Harmon or David ledbetter

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Speaker 1: any any guesses, very well groomed individual, I believe. Okay, Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's an excellent guess. Yes, I'm gonna I'm gonna give

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Speaker 1: Jeff the uh there's a trigger or anything for you.

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Speaker 1: Joff so far Canadian mightie, he's Canadian. Yeah. So you

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Speaker 1: guys are good man, you're too good. Alright, Sean Folly,

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Speaker 1: come on down, show what theself the unveilable? Very well,

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Speaker 1: grimpin Dade, look at that. I mean I've been out

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Speaker 1: it's what you've done with the play. Sean, where are you?

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Speaker 1: I mean Orlando in windermeor Sean, have you ever seen

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Speaker 1: the movie Oh Brother, Where art thou? Yes? With George

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Speaker 1: Dan as well? What's your product of choice? I'd have

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Speaker 1: to ask my wife what she gets me. I don't

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Speaker 1: you're living the dream, Sean. I thought we would start

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Speaker 1: tell us what you like most about Jeff Ogilvie's golf swing,

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Speaker 1: it comes time to split up, it's always a bit,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's all it's almost like a breakup in

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Speaker 1: a normal relationship. But I know the players that I

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Speaker 1: can't I've done a good job of I've helped a

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Speaker 1: couple of guys I won't leave names without helped the

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Speaker 1: couple of people build their stables and players on tour

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Speaker 1: from players who called me um and I just didn't

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Speaker 1: think that I would be the right fit for them.

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Speaker 1: Because I think of the end of my career. I

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Speaker 1: won't really look in the mirror and think about how

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Speaker 1: many players I help, but I will think about how

439
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Speaker 1: many I didn't hurt. And I've done it before one time,

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Speaker 1: and it's a fucking it's an awful feeling. And you know,

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Speaker 1: the thing, this is pretty complex. It's not rocket science,

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Speaker 1: but it's definitely science. And I think today, with the

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Speaker 1: information we have out there and the proof, no one

444
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Speaker 1: should not know that anymore. And I mean you look

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Speaker 1: in Florida at the top twenty teachers. Most of them

446
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Speaker 1: are charging, you know, as much money as corporate lawyers

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Speaker 1: are in Manhattan. And then you know, to be that

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Speaker 1: corporate lawyer, you've got to do your undergrad then you've

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Speaker 1: got to go to law school, and then you normally

450
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Speaker 1: have to junior under someone. So by the time you're

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Speaker 1: making money as a lawyer, your years into your education

452
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Speaker 1: and a lot of coaches. You know, it's not so

453
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Speaker 1: much today, but definitely back in the day where players

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Speaker 1: who didn't make it but then just became coaches and um,

455
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Speaker 1: just just so much opinion. Like when I go to

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Speaker 1: a nutritionist, I don't want that nutritionist opinion on what

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Speaker 1: I should do. I want if there's going to be

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Speaker 1: an opinion at all, it's got to come from experience.

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Speaker 1: And I think that you know, with today's day and age,

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Speaker 1: Like my kids are what fourteen eleven, and they'll say

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Speaker 1: to me like, yeah, man, that's facts, you know, And

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Speaker 1: it's like I never had to say that as a

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Speaker 1: kid because we just we just were under the idea

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Speaker 1: that it was actually a fact. But there's so much

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Speaker 1: a misinformation as far as politically, well, there's this much misinformation.

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Speaker 1: So you know, Instagram and social media is like Gutenberg

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Speaker 1: on steroids, right, I mean this is the printing press

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Speaker 1: to the full extent. So um, there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: good stuff, but then there's a lot of then there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of garbage. And you know, it's just amazing

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Speaker 1: to see the careers and success that people can have

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Speaker 1: when they don't really understand one how humans community to

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Speaker 1: just the processes of the brain. Three, the physics of

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Speaker 1: the club, for the kinetics and physiology of the body.

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Speaker 1: Five what the ball does in the air and based

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Speaker 1: on wind and temperature. Like I work with guys now

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Speaker 1: and I'll say, all right, so it's gonna be fifty

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Speaker 1: two degrees when you play. Do you know how far

479
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Speaker 1: these are? And they don't know that, And it's like

480
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Speaker 1: that's so easily measured, and I just think that. Sure,

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Speaker 1: there's guys like Jeff and Tiger or at the highest

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Speaker 1: level they had the they picked up these subconscious nuances

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Speaker 1: in certain things, but not everyone's gonna find that that way, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: for example, if someone is if someone is low and

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Speaker 1: angular acuity, which is a cognitive skill, then they either

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Speaker 1: need a caddy who can read putts, or they need

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Speaker 1: to learn aime point because they can't see shapes in space.

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Speaker 1: So rather than him end up going through four sports

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Speaker 1: psychologists thinking that it's mental he can't see shapes in space,

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Speaker 1: let's start with that first. So those are all things

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Speaker 1: alan that I never thought I was ever going to

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Speaker 1: learn in my life. But it's tricky because look, when

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Speaker 1: people are playing well, when Justin Rose gets the number one,

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Speaker 1: when Tiger Woods wasn't playing good, it didn't matter when

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Speaker 1: Tiger started playing better as he should have because he's

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Speaker 1: just tirer it, although it would matter who was next

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Speaker 1: to him. Then all of a sudden, my inbox and

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Speaker 1: emails are blowing up. Rosie gets the number one. I said, no,

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Speaker 1: like ten people in the next month, Rosie fires me.

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Speaker 1: It's crickets. So I understood a long time ago that

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Speaker 1: I understood a long time ago that I'm only as

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Speaker 1: good as my players are. Whether that's a true whether

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Speaker 1: that is a true indication of my skill and my understanding,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter. That's just the name of the game.

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Speaker 1: So people play well, you have the potentially get busier.

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Speaker 1: People don't play well. It's just it just kind of

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Speaker 1: goes like this, and that's what it is. And I

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Speaker 1: think that that as much as I love it and

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Speaker 1: and love doing it, um, you know, kind of the

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Speaker 1: boring part of love is acceptance. And I have to

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Speaker 1: constantly remind myself, um that I'm here to keep the

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Speaker 1: main thing about the main thing, coach the player. I

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Speaker 1: think I know in my head what's better for the

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Speaker 1: player as far as his treatment of people, how he

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Speaker 1: But you know, I got a coachoose in front of

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Speaker 1: the bills here at the fire Pit Collective. So back

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Speaker 1: to Ned a fourth. I mean, you're obviously a very

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Speaker 1: progressive guy, Sean Um, and you've lived it. We all

536
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Speaker 1: know golf has a very conservative streak. Um in the

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Speaker 1: age of Trump and now the Saudi Encroach admitted Um,

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Speaker 1: it's been harder to ignore some of the political overtones

539
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Speaker 1: to what's happening how do you make peace with with

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Speaker 1: your workplace which a lot of your your colleagues and

541
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Speaker 1: a lot of probably the players you work with are

542
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Speaker 1: coming from a very different perspective and life experience. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think it's like if you look at understanding, say

544
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: it's an equation, right, So knowledge plus wisdom equals understanding.

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Speaker 1: So I think if everyone had had my experience that

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Speaker 1: would probably see things so that that reminds me of that,

547
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Speaker 1: like to point fingers and say you're you're wrong, and

548
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Speaker 1: you're wrong, and you're wrong. That's not doing anything to

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Speaker 1: bring us closer to one another. Right. So it's like,

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Speaker 1: for example, the drive to survive about the Formula one, Right,

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Speaker 1: I've never seen a Formula one race in my life,

552
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Speaker 1: didn't even care to my wife and I watched that

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Speaker 1: on Netflix, and now I have like my favorite drivers

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Speaker 1: and I watch every race that I record. So as

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Speaker 1: soon as I finally understood what the thing was, all

556
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, I was interested in it. So I

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Speaker 1: think that there's not a Palestinian kid, there's not a

558
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Speaker 1: Palestinian kid in the West Bank who got to his

559
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Speaker 1: own natural place about Israelis and vice versus. That ship

560
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Speaker 1: is all taught. It's all taught. There's no three year

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Speaker 1: old in the world. Three year old in the world

562
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Speaker 1: might not want to share his toy with you. That's

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Speaker 1: because it's in its primate brain and it's not going

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Speaker 1: to do that. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: they're not gonna have any issue with like hatred is taught.

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Speaker 1: Like it's completely taught. So just reminding myself that, um,

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Speaker 1: I think it was Manvela when they asked him a

568
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Speaker 1: question like this, but on a way a Huger level. Um,

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Speaker 1: he said, it helped him to remind himself that everyone

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Speaker 1: was doing their best from their own level of understanding.

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Speaker 1: So my job ultimately is to try to find a

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Speaker 1: way to say, hey, you know what, what you have

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Speaker 1: to say is not accurate. But telling someone your opinions

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Speaker 1: don't matter versus my facts. I mean, they did a

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Speaker 1: study I don't remember what the school was, but they

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Speaker 1: did a study on conspiracy, on conspiracy theories, and they

577
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Speaker 1: basically said, if you want to help change someone's idea

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Speaker 1: on something, you almost have to interview them. And so

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Speaker 1: if if if you believe something, Alan and I start

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Speaker 1: screaming at you and saying that's bullshit, that's ridiculous when

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Speaker 1: they have a functional amuri on the region where the

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Speaker 1: thought would be held actually fires at a higher impulse.

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Speaker 1: So all I'm doing by challenging you in the wrong

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Speaker 1: way is I'm just increased senior belief system. Okay, So

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Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's about that. So look,

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Speaker 1: if I was I grew up in Toronto. My dad's Scottish,

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Speaker 1: my mom is Guyanese. I went from Toronto to Delaware,

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Speaker 1: to San fran to l A to Toronto to Vancouver,

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Speaker 1: back to Toronto to Nashville. And in that time we

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Speaker 1: went all over the world. And you know what did

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Speaker 1: Mark Twain say? Right? Travel is the venom to bigotry.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know how I could have ended up

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Speaker 1: with my parents, one what they taught me, and then

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Speaker 1: to the experience and the environments I observed. I don't

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Speaker 1: think I could have ever been like that, even though

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Speaker 1: I think it feels wrong. Like a guy in the

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Speaker 1: neighborhood was talking about this the other day and and

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Speaker 1: he said, you know, people still complain about this and that,

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Speaker 1: but slavery was four hundred years ago. Um, slavery was

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Speaker 1: what four hundred years ago? And any the comment that

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Speaker 1: he made was that's just what people thought then, and

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Speaker 1: I corrected him and said, no, there was actually abolitionists

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Speaker 1: back then to who thought it was really in unique. So,

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Speaker 1: but it's not just an American thing. It's an England thing,

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Speaker 1: it's a France thing, it's in Egypt thing. It's every

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Speaker 1: single empire built its structure off the back of obviously slaves.

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Speaker 1: So it's not just that. But I just think America

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Speaker 1: is such an unbelievable country, uh, in such a fantastic

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Speaker 1: place that we should challenge ourselves to do better. But

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Speaker 1: you know, you get back into just early understanding of

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Speaker 1: the brain. The brain's goal is to survive. It isn't

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Speaker 1: necessarily to thrive. That's the new brain. The old brain

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Speaker 1: is more powerful. So people I want to be accepted

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Speaker 1: by a tribe. So once again we're seeing it with

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Speaker 1: Trump right now, he's kind of on his way out.

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Speaker 1: Guys are starting to go, God, I can't believe he

617
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Speaker 1: hung out with Kanye West and that other guy. But

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Speaker 1: at one point there was fine people on both sides,

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Speaker 1: and and and but while it was working for the

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Speaker 1: system and the machine, they're like, keep him talking. Now

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Speaker 1: it looks like, oh, ship, he's definitely gonna lose, and

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Speaker 1: so now they're just pushing him out and they're coming

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Speaker 1: a little bit back more to moderate where these crazy

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Speaker 1: things that these human beings were being were saying like

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Speaker 1: crazy stuff, And I don't mean like differing from my opinion.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying crazy things that actually have no factual

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Speaker 1: relevance whatsoever. Uh. Now where they're coming a little bit

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Speaker 1: back from Psycho And hopefully that's the case, because it's like,

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Speaker 1: none of those guys say anything they believe, They don't

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Speaker 1: believe that. They just know that that's going to get

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Speaker 1: them votes. Because there's a bunch of people out there

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Speaker 1: who didn't really shift with the paradigm. And so, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the jobs their grandfather had was helping them raise a

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Speaker 1: family and put their parents through college. But those jobs

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Speaker 1: don't exist anymore. And that's not because of minorities, that's

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Speaker 1: not because of immigrants, it's not because of any of

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Speaker 1: that's because of globalization. So it's I tried to just

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Speaker 1: educate people as I can, but just have love for everybody,

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Speaker 1: because everyone is just kind of a product of their environment,

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Speaker 1: a product of the books they've read, in a product

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00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: of their experiences. So I don't think anyone wants to

642
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: feel like that. It doesn't feel good to have animosity

643
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: towards someone else. I don't even think it's really that natural. So,

644
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 1: you know, just trying to you know, you gotta put

645
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: your arm around people and and and try and try

646
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: and help them to see it. But I just have

647
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: to be an example of of of what it is

648
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: that I believe, and that's enough. I'm not overly concerned

649
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 1: about what other people are thinking about because I mean,

650
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: I used to watch Peter Jennings as a kid with

651
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: my dad, and Peter Jennings was reporting the news, and

652
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: now Anderson Cooper and Tucker Carlson are creating the news.

653
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: And it's like, if any if I want to listen

654
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: to anyone create the news, it's gonna be someone like

655
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 1: Thomas Friedman. It's not gonna be not gonna be these guys.

656
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: These guys aren't impressive, um whatsoever. So I'm stuck in

657
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: the middle where I'm into the truth. So if someone says,

658
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: you know, on the right, say this, and I'm like, yeah,

659
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: that's true, I'm for that. If someone on the left

660
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: says something that's true, then I'm for that. Then I'm

661
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: looking for the truth. I'm not really looking to be

662
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 1: a part of a team or a part of a side.

663
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: But we need to understand, like so much of our

664
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Speaker 1: brain compliments that and being accepted due to survival, because

665
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: if we were kicked out of the tribe a long

666
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: time ago, we're probably going to go extinct. That part

667
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: of our brain is still incredibly powerful. I'm sure we

668
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: have you know, we have phones, we have technological advancements,

669
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: but emotionally we're not any further ahead in the were

670
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: in the cave And I think that's pretty obvious if

671
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: you look at Ukraine, you just look at everything. It's

672
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: we haven't really evolved um our, emotional intelligence whatsoever. But

673
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: did they have podcasts back in the caveman days? I

674
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 1: think not. We've come, We've made a few strides. Yeah,

675
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: well this is given mason ability, so the sure this

676
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: with someone And then there's a podcast probably happening in

677
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: my neighborhood right now, and everyone's part to que eight

678
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: on and uh yeah and that's podcast too. Good point

679
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: may note the extreme beauty oh just disappeared? Did you

680
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: all note the Jeff can't see it but behind him

681
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 1: above his guitar. Jeff, is it possible that there would

682
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: be a palm tree that would create shade that would

683
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: be on the on the back wall of your right

684
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Speaker 1: over your guitar a little while ago that is a blonde. Uh,

685
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: there would be. It's not a palm trade. We don't

686
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: have palm trees in Australia, not indigenous to Australia. It's

687
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 1: some sort of eucalyptus, I think blowing around in the wind.

688
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,439
Speaker 1: It's very windy and Melbourne at the moment very neat.

689
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: Well that's good because you need to dry out those

690
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: golf courses, don't you. But this is actually this chat's

691
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: very like when you make Sewan in the locker room ontour.

692
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: This is where you end up when you're having your

693
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 1: coffee in the morning. You stopped talking about, Hey, hitting it, Jeff.

694
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 1: This is where we end This is where we end up. Yeah,

695
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: you're hitting the Jeff. No, no no, no, we end up

696
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: with we end up in a direction like that. But yeah,

697
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: it's always fascinating. The best part I think if we

698
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: get back to golf a little bit, there's swing teachers

699
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: and there's coaches, and I think in the last thirty

700
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 1: minutes we've worked out that Shawn is a coach. Um,

701
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: he fell he fell in love with the golf swing

702
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: and like obsesses about the golf swing, but he's more

703
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: about making people better golfers and better people. Um. And

704
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: I think that the elite coaches that get to the

705
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: top the ones you see wandering around the range on tour,

706
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: other coaches, not the swing teachers. There. Swing teachers in

707
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 1: Instagram is for the swing teachers. Like you mentioned, there's

708
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: not a lot of coaches, you know. Um And yeah,

709
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: I mean I think not to undermine all the swing talk.

710
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: I think swing talk is amazing, but I feel like

711
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: if I swinger like Cameron Champ want one about twenty majors,

712
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, there's so much more to

713
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: it than how you hit the ball and how easy

714
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: it is for you to hit the ball. I mean,

715
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: it's it's about playing the game and understand like Sean

716
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: said about how far the ball goes when it's fifty

717
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: two degrees. I don't know how far it goes when

718
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: it's fifty two degrees, but I know when I'm standing

719
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 1: there and I feel it, my which is going to

720
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 1: go today is not going to go one thirty five

721
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,439
Speaker 1: because it's a bit cooler this morning. You know, these

722
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: are just and there's an infinite number of those things

723
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: in golf, um that just come along as you play

724
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 1: and experience if your eyes are open. And I think

725
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: Shawn's one of those coaches who gets his player's eyes

726
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: open to all those little things and how they learned

727
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: to become better players. They might move the club better

728
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: and Brandon a little that will break it down on

729
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: the golf channel and say, well, he's shallowing his path

730
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,479
Speaker 1: a bit more. Jes it doesn't. He used the ground

731
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: well and he's sitting the ball better now that he's

732
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: working for shore. But that's probably not why he's really

733
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: scoring better. He's scoring better because he's viewing golf in

734
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: a more sort of holistic way. And um, well that's

735
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: the one thing like you and I will know because

736
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: we know a lot of the people in the game,

737
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: and you know you will listen to commentators or the

738
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: guys after and I know they're just doing their job.

739
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: That's what their job is. Um is Like a guy

740
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: will be struggling and they'll be ripping a swing, but

741
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: you and I both know that his dad's just been

742
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: diagnosed with leukemia, or this guy's going through a divorce

743
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: or or or or and so that's just that's just

744
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: the human element. I mean, I get. The thing is

745
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: the last few years from Danny Willett to lydia Co

746
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: kind of started with Tiger Uh, Michael Kim, who's back

747
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 1: on tour now, Like these were people were all numbered,

748
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: Like Michael Kim was number one ranked amateur in the

749
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: world and made fifteen of his last tour cuts. So

750
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: because I've been at it for a long time, and

751
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: then what I've been learning about the brain for the

752
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: last two years, I've a study everything I can on it.

753
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: It's really like most of it I can't even understand

754
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: the words. But Michael Kim was the number one amateur

755
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: in the world, and he was kind of flatt in

756
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: his back swing, swung out to the right, flipped it.

757
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: The word flipped. He flipped it and hit more fairways

758
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: and more greens than anyone in college. Then got on

759
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: tour and was convinced like to be a great player,

760
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: he needed to be able to hit a faith and

761
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:12,479
Speaker 1: that was pretty much game over right there. Um, And

762
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: I think someone like a DJ who came out with

763
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: a sizeable push draw, like really swung it. He took

764
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: around fifteen years to become like a good fader of

765
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: the golf ball, and he took his time with it

766
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: and took his time with it, and took his time

767
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: with it. Um Tiger. When we worked, we had a

768
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: little bit of a faith in Some days he would

769
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: wake up and he just couldn't fade it, so he

770
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: would play with what he had and come back and

771
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,439
Speaker 1: work on it after where so many guys are still

772
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: trying to fix it on the first five holes. Then

773
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 1: they're three over through five and then they go, oh

774
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: ship and they panic and then they just get back

775
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: in the survivor mode and shoot like even par I mean,

776
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: you're in survivor mode off the first teeth. So it's

777
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: I think that's the tricky part. Is like when I

778
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 1: saw Hunter Mayhan for the first time, I've never seen

779
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: anybody get as opened up as he was in right

780
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: side ben to the ground so much. But then I

781
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: watched him hit it and I was like, wow, that's incredible.

782
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: I mean, Jeff, remember those years where that guy didn't miss.

783
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: He was the most incredible driver of a golf ball

784
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. Now what we know is is for

785
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,479
Speaker 1: his wedge play, and when he was in the rough

786
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: that didn't really work as well. So when he got

787
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: in the rough, we didn't like change his whole swing

788
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: to make him better in the rough. We'd get closer

789
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: to it, we'd cut it and take it more upright,

790
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: like a bunker shot, and chopped down on it. And

791
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: I think that that, you know, that's kind of what

792
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: happens to players. They think, well, man, you know, John

793
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 1: Rom fades it more a Cow fades it, but I

794
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: draw it, and you know we need to do that. Well,

795
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: we're not sure if John Rom or calling more Cow

796
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 1: will end up with as many tour wins or majors

797
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: as Zach Johnson. We don't know that at right. So

798
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame is full of guys who no

799
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: one would have emulated. But when they came into impact,

800
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 1: they weren't doing incredibly different things. Their glutes weren't doing

801
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,720
Speaker 1: incredibly different things, their tricep wasn't doing incredibly different things.

802
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: No one had the club in front of them. The

803
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: club always looked behind them. So it's I think when

804
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: you have like, the golf swing is quite easy for me.

805
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 1: It's just the golfer that's really difficult, and I don't

806
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:27,959
Speaker 1: know how to say it better than that. I find

807
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: the swing is give me ten minutes with anyone who

808
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: comes to see me, and they will say wow within

809
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: ten minutes, because it's quite I've been at it forever,

810
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: and I've been around a lot of smart people, and

811
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: I made a lot of I sucked up a million times,

812
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,720
Speaker 1: and so all those kind of cardinal sins that I've created,

813
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: they're kind of gone. I'm still gonna make mistakes, but

814
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: most of that just become when I'm lazy and I

815
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,439
Speaker 1: don't want to be there. So and and players get

816
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: like that too. I mean, people can't imagine, but guys

817
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: are on their fourth week in a row. Just trying

818
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: to keep them like connected to the thing is really

819
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: important because they're done. The last thing they want to

820
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 1: do is see another golf ball. And my buddies that

821
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: I play men's game with could never understand how you're

822
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: fortunate enough to have a career like being on the

823
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: PGA Tour and you wouldn't want to play. But that's

824
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: because they don't get it yet. They would if they

825
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: played four weeks in a row on three different continents. Meanwhile,

826
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: their kids are at home growing up, they're not they're

827
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: the kids are pissing off their mom. The mom is

828
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: now upset it dad, And then you've got to go

829
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: and try to be a psyche like a sociopath and

830
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: push Some can do it, most can. And so to me,

831
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 1: I think when you see a guy doing really, really well,

832
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 1: then you look at all the things around them. There's

833
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: this beautiful kind of coherence where everything fits into place.

834
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, because we don't have any control of anything

835
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: outside of ourselves, and I'm not even sure how much

836
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: we can control that, to be honest with you, Um,

837
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of moving parts to success,

838
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: and many of them we have no real control off.

839
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: So it's kind of this this kind of like this

840
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 1: beautiful symphony of working smart and trusting the people you're

841
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: around with and just punching the clock and then clocking

842
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: out and then just waiting and then just waiting. Right. Um,

843
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: like Jeff is a US Open champion, he is up

844
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: and Dale was absolutely sick but also one of the

845
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: best mid iron players of his generation. Had the absolutely

846
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: fat a seven iron from the middle of the fairway,

847
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: which he doesn't really do. So there's so many things

848
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: that go that go into that. Like unless you win

849
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 1: by a seven, as you're one putting someone else's three putting.

850
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: As as you hit it you know, too hard with

851
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 1: a chip and it hits the pin and stops. Someone

852
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 1: else has hit a better chip and it's left out.

853
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: There's so many things happening, Like when you look at

854
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: shot Tracker with the final three groups, it's fascinating, like

855
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: how much things are moving and changing and moving and changing.

856
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: So unless you're tired woods and you're winning by seven

857
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: or eight, Um, if you're winning by one, then there's

858
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,720
Speaker 1: a lot of things you're went that that went your way.

859
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: And if you're losing by one, there's a lot of

860
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,399
Speaker 1: things that went your way as well. But I think

861
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: at that top level, no one is just that much

862
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 1: better than anybody else. Um. I mean how many, how

863
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: many great golf shots that have ruined guy's careers just

864
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: came down to the fact that they hit at a

865
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: second when the win was seventeen, and when the ball

866
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 1: was in the middle of his arc, it gusted from

867
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: seventeen to twenty three, plugged in the front lip and

868
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: they may double and lost the tournament, and then sat

869
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: there and thought about how did I lose it? And

870
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: then the caddie goes, hey, I think this is what

871
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: I'm seeing. The coach goes, this is what I'm seeing.

872
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: The next sports sight says, wow, you know he was

873
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: bullied as a kid, and that's kind of interesting that

874
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: trauma is really difficult with that. And then next thing,

875
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: the next thing, you know, the player, the player can't

876
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: remember what they thought in the first place. And so

877
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: I'm I'm like, very very incredibly careful of that, and

878
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: I want to know you don't. You don't teach Jeff

879
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: Ogilvie or Justin rose Um. You just don't teach them.

880
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: You teach my mom. She's a twenty handicap. She doesn't

881
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: know how to do certain things. I think you coached them.

882
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: And I think it's really difficult for people to see themselves.

883
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: Like I was with Ben on this morning, and I

884
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: just made the joke to Ben, like, if I had

885
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: to talk about your alignment and your club face every

886
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 1: single day, every time I had to mention it, if

887
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: I charge you a thousand dollars, I'd have two grand

888
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: before the season starts. And he goes, yeah, and if

889
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: I got tired of paying you you'd have another two

890
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: under grand because I've went four million, Like like he

891
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: admitted it. He's like, well, you're here, why would I

892
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: think so? It's you just have to know. Like other

893
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: coaches would be like, dude, why do they get like this?

894
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I stopped trying to answer that, like

895
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: within the first two months I was on tour and

896
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: just accepted it and then just did my job and

897
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: just dealt with it. Like you know, it's like someone

898
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: it would be like a lieutenant in the trenchers of

899
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: World War Two? But why are they shooting at us?

900
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 1: It's like, it doesn't matter why they are shooting at us.

901
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: What is your best Tiger Woods story? I have some

902
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: really good ones, like and some of them are about

903
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: kind of him as a person, like how everyone's kind

904
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: of come to see him now. I saw him quite

905
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: often like that. It's just he had to put up

906
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: an incredible an incredible wall, I mean, just a survival

907
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: mechanism to block everything out, including almost empathy. Sometimes um hm.

908
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: I think it's a real thing, like especially when you're

909
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: a goat, like whether you're a Prince or Michael Jackson

910
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: or Tiger Michael Jordan's or I mean, you know when

911
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,919
Speaker 1: your yachts called privacy, Like when you've got to spend

912
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: a hunter million of privacy, that's pretty difficult. That's pretty tripping, right.

913
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: So I remember Bo Vampelt one time. I love Bo

914
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: Vampelt by the way, me and me and Bow where

915
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: he used to such a laser show. And then Mark

916
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: Cheney was his caddy, and I love Mark Cheney as well,

917
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: and uh, we're on the range and uh, and I

918
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: said to a tiger, you're gonna go sign those kids

919
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: hats and he goes, now, I'm good, I go just

920
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: go sign our hats. But no big deal, right, And

921
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: he goes to walk over to sign the hats, and

922
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 1: you know, like the the heavy green fences, all of

923
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: a sudden everyone pushes. Next thing, I know, there's adults

924
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: on top of kids, and um, tiger looks back at

925
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: me almost as like told you, and Bob Pelt goes,

926
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 1: you know what I love? So what's that? He said?

927
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: I love being able to make about three point five

928
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: million dollars a year and not even getting recognized in

929
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: my own airport. And so that that's a tremendous sacrifice

930
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: that they pay. And I think, you know, how many

931
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: people have we seen get to number one and then

932
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: drop off quite quickly after that because you have to

933
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: be into that whole thing in order to be able

934
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: to deal with that, and so I don't think a

935
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,479
Speaker 1: lot of people I want to do that. So next

936
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: thing they know, they self sabotage and all of that

937
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: kind of unwanted stuff and stress goes away because the

938
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: survivor is protecting the thriver from its own issue. So

939
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 1: it's it's like this is occurring, but my best Timer

940
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: story ever because he's he's quite humble, he doesn't really

941
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: brag on himself or anything like that. And we're at

942
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: Acuring in two thousand thirteen and he's already kicked me

943
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: off the range. When he got back to number one,

944
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: he said, I want you on the range after the

945
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: round and Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, but never in my warm up,

946
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: and I just said, yeah, fine, bro, don't He's like,

947
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 1: don't see him personally. I'm like, no, no, I don't,

948
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: I don't, um no, no, no worries right, like you're good.

949
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: And so I used to sit with that Rosie and

950
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 1: Hunter and O'Hare. I would sit and wait for them

951
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: or be on the range with him while he was

952
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:58,439
Speaker 1: warming up. So at at Firestone, like Jeff knows, there's

953
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 1: that wall that separates the putting green from the driving range.

954
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: So I would just sit on the wall watch him

955
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 1: warm up, and uh, he's warming up this day. And

956
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: two days before that, I showed him a video goes

957
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: do you like that? And I'm like, I mean, yeah,

958
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: I like how you're hitting it, and you just won

959
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: four out of your last six tournaments, so yeah, I

960
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: like it, um, but I'd like it a little more

961
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: lined up if you're asking. He goes, well, that's all

962
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 1: right because it feels amazing, and I was like, gosh

963
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: it, it it just got me right like he got. And

964
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: so I'm sitting on the wall and I'm watching this

965
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: warm up and it's it's like the next level warm up.

966
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 1: But remember I've been seeing a Hunter and Justin Rose

967
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 1: and Shawn O'Hare, who are no spring chickens when it

968
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: comes to warm ups, and so I really know what

969
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: like a high level is. But his is a bit

970
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: different because I can see where he's aiming, and he's

971
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: hitting draws and fades that are all starting equally right

972
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: and left and landing in the same place and then

973
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: he hits a couple of long iron just straight up

974
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: in the air, like a Jeff Ogilvie three iron, and

975
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: then um, he hits these couple of Stinger three woods

976
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: and then does whatever he wants with the driver, and

977
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 1: he walks up to me and says, you are you're gonna?

978
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: Are you gonna stick around and watch? And Friday afternoon

979
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: I leave to come home to be with my family.

980
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 1: And I said, dude, this Friday, what do you think

981
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do. I'm gonna go to the airport. And

982
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: he waked at me and said, I think you should

983
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: stick around. And you never said anything like that ever,

984
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 1: and so I'm like, all right, that was weird. So whatever,

985
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,280
Speaker 1: I get in my car, went to the house in Akron,

986
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: got my stuff, went to the airport. And you know

987
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,879
Speaker 1: it's traditional for a Canadian on Friday at two thirty

988
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: to open his first beer. So that's what happened. And

989
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: I'm sitting in that little bar there in in in Akron, Canton,

990
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: and the guy puts the golf on and I go

991
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 1: like this, and I look and Tiger's nine under threw

992
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: turn and so he knew teeing off that he was

993
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 1: going to be an absolute It was gonna be an

994
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 1: absolute clinic, and then you mean to stick around and

995
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 1: watch it. But being five ft six, I couldn't see

996
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: a single shot. Anyways, if you're gonna coach Tiger, you've

997
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: got to be about seven. Uh. Chris Koma had the

998
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 1: same problem. He's like, how do you see I go?

999
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: You don't, you can't, but they show every shot on television,

1000
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: so just go video. I'd be in the locker room filming,

1001
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: filming the screen. And it's funny because I've yet to

1002
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: take a video one of my players in contention on

1003
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: my phone that looks like the swing they had just

1004
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: leaving to go to the golf course. There's already there's

1005
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: always the slightly different little nuances to it. But that

1006
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: that's probably for me, is like my coolest Tiger stories.

1007
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 1: Just not many people can say, Hey, today, I'm gonna

1008
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 1: shoot fifty nine. Um. I think most of the time

1009
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: when guys do, they're thinking of withdrawing because they're hitting

1010
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: it so ship on the range, so they kind of quit.

1011
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 1: Called their agent on the way the tea and says

1012
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: they're a net Jets flat flight. You know tonight, next thing,

1013
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: you know, they're ten under their eleven. That's our guests

1014
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: is unique sense of abilities. I know we don't have

1015
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 1: that much time, but can we try a lightning round?

1016
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: There's there's no rules. There's no rules here in need

1017
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,439
Speaker 1: a fourth. This is a nutty question, and I've wanted

1018
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: to ask you this for a long time. If there

1019
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: had never been rule changes, Tiger is just old enough

1020
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: that he started with wooden woods and a lot of

1021
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: balls and steel chefs. Let's say the rules never changed

1022
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 1: and that was the equipment he would have played and

1023
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: everybody else would have played too. How many queer majors

1024
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 1: to date and um and how many wins? Mm hmm yeah.

1025
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 1: I think also if you add if he never ever

1026
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: got coached, you have to add, right, um, your your

1027
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: your your game, you many rules you like. Well, I'm

1028
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: adding one more thing. I think if we had Strokes

1029
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: gained off the team now one, he would have realized

1030
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 1: that it wasn't helpful at all to hit more fairways

1031
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 1: as far as he hit it. So I'm just saying that.

1032
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: So I think we could be in the maybe the

1033
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: mid thirties for majors. Oh so yeah, yeah, go ahead, yeah, yeah,

1034
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: for majors I think the technology it didn't help. It

1035
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,879
Speaker 1: didn't help him. It helped other players get slightly better,

1036
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: which still wasn't good enough to get to him. But

1037
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: he always played with a lot of curve, and as

1038
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: soon as the ball started changing, he couldn't be as

1039
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: creative as he used to be. So, um, yeah I would.

1040
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 1: I would probably say like mid and probably mid thirties.

1041
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: He would have had way less injuries. Um, why is that? Yeah,

1042
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: I would say mid thirties. Why would he have fewer injuries?

1043
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: Just wouldn't been swinging his harden. No, not really. He

1044
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 1: used to swing faster when he was a hundred forty

1045
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: pounds and when he was two hunder pounds. I mean

1046
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: Jeff saw it early on. He remembers what it was like.

1047
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,800
Speaker 1: I mean, he was obviously strong and athletic and fast,

1048
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 1: but I mean you watched nineties seven Masters, like I

1049
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,439
Speaker 1: know that he's weren't as far back as they are now.

1050
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: But longer players were hitting six iron into eleven. He

1051
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: was flipping h wedge onto that onto that green. Oh

1052
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: oh yeah I didn't. Yeah, I've seen last year Cameron

1053
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 1: Champ hit a gap wedge into two. Uh, we're not

1054
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: very good at hitting it high. But when he tries

1055
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: to did did you see ogil be there to get

1056
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: over the hill? We hit it over the back and

1057
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:29,839
Speaker 1: barely made five, just saying okay, so look, when you're

1058
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: able to hit it that far, you're not the best

1059
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: at hitting the stricker wedge for the record, Okay, Like

1060
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 1: you seen, Bolt would not would take a long time

1061
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 1: to be a good eight hundred runner, because he would

1062
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,439
Speaker 1: come in and say, coach, how was that? I would

1063
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,760
Speaker 1: be like, dude, the first hundred was too fast? Really,

1064
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: I just felt like I wasn't even trying. It's just

1065
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,919
Speaker 1: because he's fast. That's what he is, right, So it's

1066
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 1: a leopard doesn't have stripes, right, So it takes a

1067
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: lot of work to get, you know, to get better

1068
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,320
Speaker 1: at that. But I think Tiger would have been easily

1069
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 1: in the in the thirties. I mean the amount of

1070
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: time that he took to change his swing. Um, that

1071
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: took a lot of time off his ability to play well. No, Alan,

1072
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 1: please part of me, but Johnny, I just will up there.

1073
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: Does it ever come up in his conversation? Does he

1074
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: ever say, Man, if they had never changed the equipment,

1075
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 1: look what I could have done. I know he's humble

1076
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: by nature, but does it ever come up? He just

1077
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,399
Speaker 1: he will never bitch or complain ever. I've never heard

1078
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: him talk about slow play. I've never heard him anything

1079
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 1: like that. And I let everyone I know who bitch

1080
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: about every bad club their caddy picks, which is blows

1081
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: my mind that you're a world class player and you

1082
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: think it's seven and he thinks it's six, and you

1083
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: go with him, like, how could anyone know more than

1084
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: you that it's a seven iron? Okay? And so then

1085
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: people on tour will say, well, fall on the sword

1086
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 1: because you don't want him to lose his confidence, and

1087
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,359
Speaker 1: it's like no, but he's competently making mistake is five

1088
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:04,439
Speaker 1: times around, so he's confidently still making bodies who gets

1089
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm I'm kind of Hunter said it the best, Hunter,

1090
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: said Sean. His coaching is he gives you the best

1091
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: hug you've ever got, or kicks you in the balls

1092
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: harder you've ever been kicked. Because look, I'm out there too.

1093
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: I'm out there to make a living, and so I

1094
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: make a percentage of what they earn. And so when

1095
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: I see them have two bad putting weeks and change

1096
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: the putty they've been using for two years. They're going

1097
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: to get murdered on that one, because I've seen that before.

1098
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: So when I've never heard Tiger ever yelled a caddy,

1099
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: I've never heard him ever complain about anything. Nothing. And

1100
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 1: then he is literally the goat because he took more

1101
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: ownership and responsibility than anyone who's ever played. And then

1102
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: Jack Nicholas is a very close second because I kind

1103
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: of interviewed Jack over launching memorial and he was the

1104
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: one who brought up the idea when I was like,

1105
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: what did you want from a caddy? Because a lot

1106
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: of times I'm the conduit in between the player and

1107
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: the caddy. I gotta talk to both of them after

1108
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: the round. It's amazing. Sometimes it's like, were you guys

1109
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: even together today? Right? And and that just goes to

1110
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: show you, right, Like if you're in a good mood

1111
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: and they say your flight's delayed, you're like, all right,

1112
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,439
Speaker 1: what's my options? If you're in a bad mood and

1113
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 1: they tell you that they've had to move your seat

1114
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: because someone else had a higher upgrade, you lose your

1115
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: ship and you know what I mean. So it's you've

1116
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: got to know that everyone is seeing things through the

1117
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: lens of where they're at at that moment. So if

1118
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: someone's in a good mood, then yeah, today it was good,

1119
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: felt really good about it, and the caddies sitting there

1120
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: going so it's it's really quite fascinating. Those calls are fascinating.

1121
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: Very rarely are they ever on the same page because

1122
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: we just no one's ever in the same state of

1123
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: mind at the same time. It just constantly keeps keep swelling. Um.

1124
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, the the amount of creativity that he had

1125
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: and how he shaped the ball, you know, I say,

1126
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: like it's not a lost art now people being able

1127
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: to hit shots into a right pin. Technology is making

1128
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: it really difficult to get the ball into a right

1129
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: pin by holding it against the wind or fading it

1130
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: up to hold against the wind. Whereas tourable lot as

1131
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: in the early titless professional you can still curve it

1132
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 1: a lot more So. You caught Tiger at a very

1133
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 1: unusual time when you guys started working together. I mean

1134
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: it was it was just coming after the you know,

1135
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: the scandal, and he had he was playing the greatest

1136
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: golf that's ever been played, and all of a sudden

1137
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: his life was turned upside down and you've you know,

1138
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: he's been through all the surgeries and injuries in the

1139
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: car accident. I mean, it's been an incredible decade plus.

1140
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: I mean, what have you observed in him is evolution? Um,

1141
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,439
Speaker 1: not as a player, we can see that, but all

1142
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 1: the other things. And not that you've been working with

1143
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: this whole time. But I know you guys are so

1144
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: close and you still and you're still a close observer

1145
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: of Tiger. I'm mean, just talk about how it all

1146
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: changed once you started working together and where he is

1147
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: now and in this journey. I mean, I can't really

1148
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: I can't really speculate on what he was like before

1149
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: I met him, but I kind of walked into his

1150
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: life at the time when everyone was walking out. Um.

1151
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: And then right when we started working, Hank Caney wrote

1152
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: a book about him called The Big Miss, And so

1153
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: that fucking wasn't easy because then it was like, what

1154
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 1: separates me from doing the same thing? And I just said, well,

1155
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: just time, you will see in time, I won't write

1156
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: a book about you. Um. If I do, it would

1157
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: be like the things I learned from Tiger, I won't

1158
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 1: be cripping because I learned about it. I was at

1159
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 1: that time I was coaching Tiger. He'd teach me all

1160
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: these little things he'd do, and then I'd take him

1161
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: over to Rosie and Hunter and go, hey, this is

1162
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 1: how he flights it into the wind. They're like, oh man,

1163
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: that's interesting. So they we all got better. We watched

1164
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 1: him flighted into the wind with no divid and go like,

1165
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: how is he doing that? And it stays so flat?

1166
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: And then he explained it not really in coaching terms.

1167
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 1: I had to kind of reverse engineer. But um, those

1168
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: boys got a lot of tips from Tiger, whether or

1169
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: not they realize it. Um, yeah, Look, he's a human being, right,

1170
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 1: And I mean no, he didn't. You want to look

1171
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: at troubled adults and you just have to look at

1172
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: very very rare different childhoods. And you know, we I

1173
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: think that the way Tiger grew up and it was

1174
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: just golf, golf, golf, And I don't even really think

1175
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 1: that it was really that much a function of earl er.

1176
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: I think his mom told me that he had to

1177
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 1: finish his homework before he went to the golf course,

1178
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: so he would do his homework during lunch, which made

1179
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 1: him look anti social. But he just wanted to be

1180
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: at the golf course, he's not antisocial. Um, you know,

1181
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 1: having thirty people on each hole and probably learning how

1182
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 1: to be able to get into a bubble and not

1183
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 1: really focus on anything else. You might look like you're

1184
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: not warm or you're being rude, but the people are

1185
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 1: being rude are the people who wants him to match

1186
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: what they think a good person does. So that's the

1187
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: difference with him and Phil obviously, right, And as we

1188
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 1: we've learned about Phil, it is not it's not it's

1189
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: not completely that genuine. My experiences with Phil over sixteen years, Uh,

1190
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: he's blown me away with what he's remembered about my

1191
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: family and things like that. So I think Phil is

1192
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 1: is in that way my own experience. I don't think

1193
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 1: that he's a phony. But I also know about all

1194
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: the other stuff too, So I mean, at the end

1195
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: of the day, people are running a business and they're

1196
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:37,959
Speaker 1: building a brand, and brand is based on image, and

1197
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 1: image comes from uh, the Greek word I think it's image,

1198
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 1: which means imagine, which is also a synonym for illusion.

1199
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 1: So most people's image is just an illusion anyways, right,

1200
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: It's what they're perpetuating for you to see. But we

1201
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 1: don't really get to sit and have dinner with people

1202
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 1: and watch how they treat their kids, or how they

1203
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 1: treat strangers, or how they react to a homeless person.

1204
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 1: So I think on a PGA tour, because it's such

1205
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: a five minute relationship, Like Jeff was saying, Hey, how

1206
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: you doing a boom boom boom boom boom. It's a

1207
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: five minute talk. So I think as time goes on,

1208
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: like all these relationships are so honeymoon based that everything

1209
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 1: seems pretty coacher and everything's cool. But once you spend

1210
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 1: way more time around someone, you start realizing, Okay, I

1211
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 1: didn't need I didn't see that before. So I just

1212
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: need Tire as a human being who's had a a

1213
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: fantastic but a very difficult life. And h he's succumbed

1214
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 1: to start him in fame like every other star who's

1215
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 1: that famous dude? Like they all went, they all ended

1216
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 1: up kind of in the same place. Right, Um, is

1217
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:49,479
Speaker 1: there I don't know about MESSI, but is there even

1218
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 1: a goat who's still married Jack? Jack? Yeah? Right? So,

1219
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 1: And I don't not sure if that's really a idea

1220
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 1: of being a goat, But you know, guys get obsessed

1221
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 1: about this thing, and it's not like that there. They

1222
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: just don't see it. They can't even they don't even

1223
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 1: understand that it's there. It's just they're so focused all

1224
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 1: the time on this um and that's the love of

1225
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 1: their life. And I think that that, I think that

1226
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 1: that's okay. But when we judge them against a value based,

1227
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 1: monogamy based society, it's like we pigeonholed people, like this

1228
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 1: is how you should live. That's how I should live.

1229
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 1: To live my life in a way that I can

1230
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 1: look myself in the mirror and I can go to sleep.

1231
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 1: And you know, if you ask me what success was

1232
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 1: twenty years ago, it would be you know, big checks

1233
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 1: and major championships. And now it's kind of come down

1234
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 1: to like when my head hits the pillow, I fall

1235
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 1: asleep quick, and then I wake up excited about going

1236
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 1: about my day. That to me is now success because

1237
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 1: I've done all that other stuff and that really wasn't

1238
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:56,959
Speaker 1: where I felt my best. But I feel my best

1239
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 1: when I'm inspiring people, or when I'm reading or when

1240
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 1: I'm learning. Um, it doesn't really matter, um what's on

1241
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 1: the perception as far as trophies and checks and all

1242
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:11,959
Speaker 1: that so it's all about the climb. It's not really

1243
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 1: about the summit because I mean, the summit basically is

1244
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 1: really cold and there's no fucking oxygen there, and nine

1245
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 1: out of ten climbers die when they go down, not

1246
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 1: when they go up. So being at the summit's a

1247
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 1: pretty actually dangerous place to be when you think about it.

1248
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 1: M Uh, well, I think you've you've inspired and educated

1249
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: us here. But as making notes, we've had appearances from Nelson,

1250
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 1: Mandela Sir, Isaac Newton, Guttenberg, Twain, Tom Friedman, some ancient

1251
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 1: Greek to say nothing of Ben Hogan, and a sort

1252
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: of other golfers. But it's it's always fun wrapping out

1253
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 1: with you, Sean. We even get to talk about hip hop,

1254
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 1: which I know is really the love of your life.

1255
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 1: We'll say that for the next one for the sequel. Um,

1256
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 1: before we let, Before we let um, our steam gets go. Guys,

1257
01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 1: you have any any parting thoughts? Um, it looks shureing you.

1258
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 1: It's always fun to talk. Um. I feel like I

1259
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 1: learned every time and I uh my swing is better now. Um,

1260
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 1: and uh you always make me want to go practice,

1261
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 1: Like I think, if there's any gift but I think

1262
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 1: the best gift you have is you make me want

1263
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 1: to You make me want to go practice, And I

1264
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 1: think that's true of your players that you work with.

1265
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 1: Makes me want to go get better. Um, and that

1266
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 1: might be the most important thing. Mahan was one of

1267
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 1: the greatest players I've ever seen, and then we stopped

1268
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 1: and now Hunter has just retired, right it. A lot

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01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 1: of things look mental when guys just lose their love

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01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 1: for what they do. And you know, love for the

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01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: game of golf is so necessary, just like love for

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01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 1: your kids is so necessary because at the time, if

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01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 1: you didn't love your kids, you probably put a pillow

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01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 1: over their head because you know they're not appreciative you

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01:06:56,400 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 1: do all this for them. They so love is literally

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01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 1: the key because golf, in like life, is going to

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01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 1: be a struggle. So if you don't like, love is

1278
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 1: basically that like when you fall off the cliff, love

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01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 1: is kind of the pillows that, yeah, that that saved

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01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 1: you from it. So I think what we look at

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01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 1: a lot with players as something mental, I think it's

1282
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 1: more function in their heart. And so if you can

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01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 1: get players to whenever I start with a player, I

1284
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 1: asked them, like, why golf like why do you play golf?

1285
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 1: And it's like half the time they're trying to say

1286
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 1: something they think I want to hear, but a lot

1287
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 1: of time they actually don't know. And so that's one

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01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 1: of my first major tasks is to get them to

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01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 1: kind of re recognize why they play because most of us,

1290
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 1: well all of us, we paid the play as kids

1291
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 1: and we loved it, and then we got paid to

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01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 1: do it and we ended up being miserable from it,

1293
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 1: and that just doesn't seem right. That just doesn't seem like,

1294
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 1: like how come I get so much joy when I

1295
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 1: work with these mini tour players who can't afford to

1296
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 1: take a lesson with me, And I put two hours

1297
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 1: of time in and I leave like so gratified and like, man,

1298
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: this is amazing. And then my player finished second in

1299
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 1: the Masters and I'm depressed for a month. It's like

1300
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 1: that's not it, Like that's not right. Um. So to me,

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01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:19,600
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, keep the main thing about the

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01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 1: main thing. So you know, if you want to get

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01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 1: in good shape, you gotta work out and do cardio,

1304
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 1: but you also have to recover and you have to

1305
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 1: eat right. It's not just one thing. So to me,

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01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 1: it's about the love. Like what Jeff's talking about is

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01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 1: he's not getting motivated because I can't motivate you. I

1308
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 1: can't get inside of you. This is not outside in,

1309
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:44,639
Speaker 1: it's inside out. But you know, is to inspire someone

1310
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 1: to Look, if you can inspire Michael Kim to want

1311
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 1: to practice again where it used to be so embarrassing

1312
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 1: to even hit balls while other people were hitting balls,

1313
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 1: and you get him out there and and and and

1314
01:08:57,400 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 1: he wants to be out there again and do it again.

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01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 1: If I give him two years and I'll keep him

1316
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 1: on the I'll keep him on the right track. I'll

1317
01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 1: put like this. I shouldn't say that i'll keep him

1318
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 1: off the wrong track. I don't. I don't know what's

1319
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,640
Speaker 1: really right for any other individual on the planet. I

1320
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 1: know what's right for me, but I know what's wrong

1321
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:16,679
Speaker 1: for him. If I can keep him from doing that,

1322
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 1: then if he was a number one ranked the amateur

1323
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:22,839
Speaker 1: in the world again, we got to have three wins

1324
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:24,720
Speaker 1: in US in the next two years. I wouldn't work

1325
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 1: with him if I didn't believe that he could do it. Um,

1326
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 1: there's the love of it, but there's the business part

1327
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 1: of it. So if I just worked with all the

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01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 1: people that I love that I'm not sure if I

1329
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 1: can just completely make a living. So it's about having

1330
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 1: the love for coaching. And that love for coaching was

1331
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 1: never golf digest rankings and being famous and having nice ship. Um,

1332
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 1: it wasn't about that. It was like the look on

1333
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 1: that kid's face. It when he basically this was funny, Jeff,

1334
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 1: I've never seen anyone to do this before. And I

1335
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 1: almost pissed myself. He started hitting balls and he's very

1336
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:01,680
Speaker 1: athletic and he he's won some tournaments last year, so

1337
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 1: he can play. Um, And I said, man, you've got

1338
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 1: no need for a three wood. Bro you with with

1339
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 1: your move long irons and three woods don't even need

1340
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 1: to be in your bag. And he goes, that's why

1341
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 1: my three wood is turned upside down. So the three

1342
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 1: wood was grip grip out. And so I said, well, look,

1343
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 1: if you can stretch your arms away from you and

1344
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 1: you can turn more, I think that you have a

1345
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 1: lot of speeds. So you have a lot of lag.

1346
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 1: The lag is not the speed. The lag is the

1347
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 1: function that the arms are moving so fast that the

1348
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 1: club is lagging for longer. Okay, that's it. That's all

1349
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 1: it's doing, all right. You can't You can't speed a

1350
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 1: club up if you don't put a force into it

1351
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 1: to line up to what's swinging it. So I was like, man,

1352
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 1: if I can get his hands a little bit more

1353
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 1: in and get him to turn a little bit more,

1354
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 1: it will give him more time to release the loft

1355
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 1: and will be golden. And he hits this three wood.

1356
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:00,640
Speaker 1: I mean, he couldn't get it off the around and

1357
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:03,720
Speaker 1: you know, three woods are nasty clubs, Jeff, and he's

1358
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 1: kind of hitting these low, skanky right shots, and he

1359
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 1: hits this three one up in the air, and he

1360
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 1: was just so grateful to realize that he wasn't like

1361
01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:15,760
Speaker 1: an idiot and he didn't have this mental challenge with

1362
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:17,760
Speaker 1: his three woods. I was like, no, bro, you just

1363
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:19,759
Speaker 1: don't have time to release it. It ain't really based

1364
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 1: on the fact that you were picked on in high school,

1365
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 1: I promise you. And it's not empathy for that, but

1366
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, there's a lot of people who

1367
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 1: who survived the Holocaust and went on to do unbelievable

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01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 1: things with their life. So don't I appreciate they probably

1369
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 1: had nightmares for the rest of their life, But You're

1370
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:44,760
Speaker 1: not stuck in ten years ago unless you put your

1371
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:47,600
Speaker 1: unless you allow yourself to stay there. So just to

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01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:49,840
Speaker 1: look on his face, even though there's no payment at

1373
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 1: the end of the lesson, man, that's just I love that,

1374
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 1: and I got to constantly remind myself that that's what

1375
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 1: I love about it. And it shouldn't matter if it's

1376
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 1: for a hundred grand or nothing. It should just be

1377
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:04,839
Speaker 1: that interaction where you showed someone that they were really special.

1378
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 1: They just didn't know how to get to it. Um.

1379
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 1: That's really cool for me because I think when you

1380
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 1: work with somebody like that, you also get to work

1381
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 1: on yourself because I got all kinds of doubts too

1382
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:17,240
Speaker 1: about about my skills and where I could be better.

1383
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 1: I'm just as critical of myself as No one on

1384
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:22,880
Speaker 1: the Golf channel could criticize me as much as I do.

1385
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:26,639
Speaker 1: They probably tried, but they're not able to. So it's

1386
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:29,680
Speaker 1: it's all like a you know, it's just this. You know,

1387
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 1: my dad calls golf the beautiful struggle, and I think

1388
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 1: that it's like life. It's perfect that way. It's like

1389
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:36,639
Speaker 1: it is. It is a beautiful struggle. And you listen

1390
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:41,800
Speaker 1: to Arnold Palmer you know, his quote was that, uh,

1391
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 1: golf is deceptively simple and endlessly complicated, and that was

1392
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 1: his philosophy. He didn't need a mental coach once. Once

1393
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 1: he understood that as his truth. Then when he was

1394
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 1: six under through seven, he probably thought, stay sharp here

1395
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 1: because it's probably about to get difficult. And when he

1396
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 1: played bad for two weeks grow he wasn't looking for

1397
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 1: searches or answers because he'd already recognized it was endlessly complicated.

1398
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:08,759
Speaker 1: So we see a guy who walked around the course,

1399
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 1: you know, looked like he enjoyed himself, looked like he

1400
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 1: enjoyed the whole thing, didn't get that upset, got frustrated.

1401
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:19,640
Speaker 1: But remember frustration is part of success. Like if if

1402
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 1: you don't get frustrated oftentimes, you're not going to get better.

1403
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:25,800
Speaker 1: It's just a lying to how frustrated you get. And

1404
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:28,760
Speaker 1: so here's the guy who knew that it was deceptively

1405
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 1: simple and it was endlessly complicated. So when it was simple,

1406
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 1: it was lying to you, and it was typically complicated.

1407
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 1: So of course he was never surprised when he played

1408
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:40,599
Speaker 1: bad because he'd already accepted that that was the name

1409
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:43,800
Speaker 1: of the game. I mean that's was perfect, right, Like,

1410
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:50,519
Speaker 1: that's just perfect. I love that. Um. All right, Well,

1411
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 1: so we have a tradition here on Nita for it um.

1412
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:56,160
Speaker 1: We like to we like to do a little Monday

1413
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:59,599
Speaker 1: morning quarterbacking of our guests. So, Sean, you've been amazingly

1414
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 1: generous with your time and your insight and this was

1415
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:05,600
Speaker 1: an absolute pleasure. You click the little red phone on

1416
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 1: your screen, you leave, and then we're gonna talk about

1417
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,360
Speaker 1: you like it's high school and it's recessed and we're

1418
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:13,559
Speaker 1: gonna whisper about you. But I suspect be mostly good things.

1419
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 1: But so just to get it straight, I'm five six.

1420
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:24,800
Speaker 1: I'm not five ft four, Okay, so that don't don't.

1421
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:27,200
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of Messy. I think he's the only

1422
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:31,599
Speaker 1: goat ever who's five ft six. So way to go Messy. Uh,

1423
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 1: it's writing itself. But just one last thing. You look

1424
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 1: at Ronaldo and you look at MESSI. Ronaldo probably should

1425
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 1: have been a pro golfer, right, and so he wasn't

1426
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 1: working well with his team at all, and you could

1427
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:46,479
Speaker 1: tell it. I mean, anymy start him. And then these

1428
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 1: guys on Argentina are playing a higher level than they've

1429
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 1: ever played because they are inspired to do this for Messy.

1430
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:55,720
Speaker 1: I mean, they're wearing the hat with number ten on it,

1431
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 1: and so they're playing with their hero and they're coming

1432
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 1: like they're playing at a level that they just haven't

1433
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:05,680
Speaker 1: really played a historically because of the love they have

1434
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:09,200
Speaker 1: from Messy and how inspired they are. So it's incredible

1435
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 1: that when people are inspired what they can do and

1436
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 1: when people have like you know, I read this book

1437
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 1: called The Happiness Project, and it made me giggle because one,

1438
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:23,440
Speaker 1: I don't think happiness is a correlation of success anyways,

1439
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 1: but nowhere did it talk about purpose or meaning at all,

1440
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:32,640
Speaker 1: and so I think one of the things that I

1441
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:35,599
Speaker 1: use in my players, I stole it from Victor Frankel

1442
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 1: from Man Search for Meaning and obviously chapter one, and

1443
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 1: anyone who haven't read Man Search for Meaning just please

1444
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:44,679
Speaker 1: like get it on Amazon for six bucks right now.

1445
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 1: It's two chapters. But the first chapter for me was

1446
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 1: life changing, and I use it a lot with people.

1447
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:56,480
Speaker 1: And you know, he had understood obviously as a psychiatrist

1448
01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:01,440
Speaker 1: who was taken in the concentration as a Jewish prisoner.

1449
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:05,439
Speaker 1: Imagine being a psychiatrist in a concentration camp. I mean

1450
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:12,800
Speaker 1: talk about the ultimate environment for learning human behavior and survival.

1451
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:16,519
Speaker 1: And he talks in the book about you know, so

1452
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 1: many of the prisoners who should have been dead like

1453
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 1: a year ago, but what kept them alive was just

1454
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:25,800
Speaker 1: the image of their wife and their kids. And so

1455
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 1: they had typhus, they had all these things. They worked

1456
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:34,680
Speaker 1: through negative twenty days with no shoes on, just incredible

1457
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:37,840
Speaker 1: torment and suffering, and as soon as they found out

1458
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:42,719
Speaker 1: that their family had been exterminated, they died within thirty seconds.

1459
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, you can look at couples

1460
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 1: have been married for sixty years and either the husband

1461
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:51,640
Speaker 1: or the wife dies and within a month the other one,

1462
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 1: who was completely healthy, is dead too. And I think

1463
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 1: that that speaks to purpose and meetings. So if you

1464
01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 1: can have a purpose that's that big, and normally for

1465
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:04,840
Speaker 1: human being is it's not ourselves, it's something, it's something else. Um.

1466
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 1: I think if you live a purpose driven existence, then

1467
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 1: that's kind of you know, when you're on the high

1468
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 1: seas and there's a massive storm, you've got two things.

1469
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 1: You've got a light to let you know you're go

1470
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:19,639
Speaker 1: in the right direction, and if it gets really bad,

1471
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:22,639
Speaker 1: you have an anchor and regardless of how the boat

1472
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:25,640
Speaker 1: feels like it's going, as long as it's anchored in,

1473
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:27,519
Speaker 1: it's not going to turn over. And then we all

1474
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 1: have to know that that storm isn't gonna last for

1475
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 1: two weeks at worst, it's gonna be four or five days.

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01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:37,759
Speaker 1: So I think having purpose and meaning and then having

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01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 1: love for what you do, it's what allows you to

1478
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:43,760
Speaker 1: keep going when things get so hard, because when things

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01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 1: get going easy, you don't really need I mean, I

1480
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 1: haven't learned anything on vacation ever in my whole life. Um,

1481
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 1: but it's you know, when my players are going through it,

1482
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:56,920
Speaker 1: it's trying to get them to understand like this thing

1483
01:17:56,960 --> 01:18:00,680
Speaker 1: that you're trying, Like this adversity you're going through is

1484
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 1: literally giving you a PhD if you're willing to accept

1485
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:06,679
Speaker 1: it and understand it. It's teaching you that you don't

1486
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:11,599
Speaker 1: understand something. So stop changing drivers, stop changing were just,

1487
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 1: stop changing putters, stop changing caddies. None of those things

1488
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:19,639
Speaker 1: are the reason you were ever great anyways, So it's uh, anyways,

1489
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:24,799
Speaker 1: I'll leave it at that. That's awesome. I love it alright. Well, Sean,

1490
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:28,800
Speaker 1: thank you again. Always a pleasure. Um, let see you guys,

1491
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:33,559
Speaker 1: Michael Sean, thanks, Jeff my man. We'll see when the

1492
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 1: when do we see you again? I'm coming over. I'll

1493
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:37,640
Speaker 1: be there this year a little bit. You'll say me,

1494
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 1: next year you're gonna play? Yeah? Where that? Let me?

1495
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 1: You got any new events coming up? Like what would

1496
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 1: be your next event over there? Well, we got the

1497
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:52,759
Speaker 1: sand Belt Invitational UM in Australia. But I'm gonna play pebble.

1498
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 1: I think maybe maybe I'm gonna try to appay a

1499
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 1: for you next year. Yeah, we'll say, all right, good, Yeah,

1500
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:01,680
Speaker 1: we'll see. It's more fun being a golfer. I've tried

1501
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:04,000
Speaker 1: all these other things as golf is still the best

1502
01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 1: job I've ever had. That's good stuff. Alright boys again,

1503
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:15,679
Speaker 1: done deal. Well that was some fascinating ship. I mean,

1504
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 1: Sean Foley is really a unique guy. And you're not

1505
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 1: even fifty years old. I mean, he's been out there

1506
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 1: a long time. There's a lot of golf in front

1507
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 1: of him. Obviously, he's passionate, he's quite intelligent, but I

1508
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:30,640
Speaker 1: just just love his perspective on everything. I thought that

1509
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 1: was really cool conversation. Yeah, I enjoyed it. He always

1510
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:36,960
Speaker 1: he always, as I said, when you go for a

1511
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 1: coffee on tour um and showing's there in the locker

1512
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:42,720
Speaker 1: room and you start it's it's like that you end

1513
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 1: up somewhere completely where you didn't think you were going

1514
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 1: to be. But when you connect all the dolts, that's

1515
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:50,800
Speaker 1: actually where it all begins. You know. He does seem

1516
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 1: to look for the root cause of everything, you know,

1517
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 1: hitting a draw, but he start ends I've been a

1518
01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 1: concentration camp, but you all I wanted to do was

1519
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 1: hit to draw with it's upon you know, like it's

1520
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 1: not fascinating. Yeah, chipping in a locker room setting. Um,

1521
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 1: what's the percentage Sean talking versus you're talking similar to

1522
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:14,600
Speaker 1: this podcast? Probably? Um no, no, no, We've had some

1523
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:18,519
Speaker 1: grade chats uh in rhandalizing stuff. Yeah. We uh. He's

1524
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 1: a really interesting guy. And there's something about Canadians and

1525
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 1: Australians must be the Commonwealth thing or something. We there's

1526
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:27,519
Speaker 1: some sort of weird we just say the world a

1527
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:30,240
Speaker 1: very similar way, and that's designed with all the Canadians

1528
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:33,519
Speaker 1: I have a chat to. And he's certainly as I said,

1529
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 1: he loves a chat and he loves going into it

1530
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:37,760
Speaker 1: and I like going into it. So he's always been

1531
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:42,960
Speaker 1: I've always loved bumping into him. That's great, that's great stuff. Well,

1532
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 1: this has been another unexpected and eclectic need of fourth,

1533
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:48,600
Speaker 1: which is kind of our mandate. There's a lot of

1534
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 1: golf podcasts we want to you want to just talk

1535
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 1: about seven irons, although they are interesting, but um uh,

1536
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 1: you know, you know what de Vincenzo said about the

1537
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:02,519
Speaker 1: seven iron and very much relates to this conversation. It

1538
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:08,479
Speaker 1: is my professor. I love that. My My favorite de

1539
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:11,880
Speaker 1: Vincenzo bit of advice is to the young sevy. Didn't

1540
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 1: you know this bit? He says, you must be able

1541
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:16,240
Speaker 1: to eat any cuisine, you must be able to sleep

1542
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 1: in any bed, and you must be able to make

1543
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:20,360
Speaker 1: love to any woman. But not so well she want

1544
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:25,920
Speaker 1: to follow you. There you go, We're all the youngest

1545
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:28,920
Speaker 1: spiring golfers out there. Write that down. You're gonna need that.

1546
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 1: Um anyway, all right, this is needed fourth. We will

1547
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 1: be back at it again. We have some great guests

1548
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 1: who we've already taped them. We have others were trying

1549
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:41,639
Speaker 1: to last Sue, but this is this is an ongoing project.

1550
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 1: We're having a lot of fun with. Hopefully you are

1551
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 1: too listening at home. Or in your car, or in

1552
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 1: the gym. So for Jeff Ogilvie and Michael Bamberger, I'm

1553
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:51,680
Speaker 1: Alan SCHIPNUK. Thank you for listening and we'll do it

1554
01:21:51,720 --> 01:22:00,799
Speaker 1: again soon. H Oh my god. That is a dangerous

1555
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:01,360
Speaker 1: group here