1
00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:11,479
Speaker 1: Your question real. Let's just keep it real. Straight shot

2
00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:13,240
Speaker 1: with no Chasing, I'm gonna get a little bit rougher.

3
00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,319
Speaker 1: I'm here for it. Those who really believe in the

4
00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:21,119
Speaker 1: American the process, all of us Straight Shot No Chase

5
00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,160
Speaker 1: with your girl Chessel figure Out on the Black Effect

6
00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,600
Speaker 1: Podcast Network network. What's having? Everybody's just testling figure out

7
00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,400
Speaker 1: Straight Shot No Chaser on iHeartRadio, the Black Effect Podcast Network.

8
00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,640
Speaker 1: I am here again with two of my co hosts

9
00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,520
Speaker 1: that will be joining me to unpack these stories. Guys,

10
00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:40,600
Speaker 1: I want to make sure I'm unpacking it right. I

11
00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:42,200
Speaker 1: want to make sure I put out all the shirts,

12
00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,920
Speaker 1: the belts, the two tops, the dresses, making sure that

13
00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,760
Speaker 1: we leave nothing uncovered. I have my co hosts here

14
00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,400
Speaker 1: today with me, Michelle Wattley and Jadarel. You'll get used

15
00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,240
Speaker 1: to hearing their voices because hopefully I can strong arm

16
00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:59,600
Speaker 1: them into joining me more often on Straight Shot No Chaser.

17
00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,040
Speaker 1: I've changed up the format a little bit. Typically you're

18
00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,640
Speaker 1: used to hearing me on IG Live, but now we

19
00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,360
Speaker 1: want to be able to go through several different stories.

20
00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:08,800
Speaker 1: Want to make sure that we have all of the

21
00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:10,920
Speaker 1: facts in front of us, and so we're gonna trave

22
00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:12,800
Speaker 1: this new format. I hope you do enjoy it. I

23
00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,200
Speaker 1: hope you do. I hope you like it. It just

24
00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,160
Speaker 1: gives me a chance to have a different opinion right

25
00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:19,959
Speaker 1: in front of me, to be able to kind of

26
00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:21,800
Speaker 1: sort all this through. So welcome, ladies to the show.

27
00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:22,960
Speaker 1: I appreciate you being here.

28
00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:25,199
Speaker 2: Thank you for the strong army.

29
00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:31,200
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, I've been trying for a long time. I

30
00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,959
Speaker 1: wish you would say no. So anyway, we're gonna get

31
00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,280
Speaker 1: into this Deronte Martin story. Guys, this is the old story.

32
00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,720
Speaker 1: What I love about straight shout o Chaser is a

33
00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,040
Speaker 1: lot of the stories that I do that you see

34
00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,160
Speaker 1: me on other platforms that are recent. It is what

35
00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,520
Speaker 1: happened in the last twenty four hours, forty eight hours.

36
00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,720
Speaker 1: But sometimes, you know, I'm drawn to a story that's

37
00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,680
Speaker 1: older and still did not get enough attention. And if

38
00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,280
Speaker 1: you do any work in social justice space, you'll know

39
00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:58,760
Speaker 1: that a lot of times, by the time we get

40
00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:00,800
Speaker 1: the story is after the family has fault and fought

41
00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:02,920
Speaker 1: and fought for months and months and months. Everything's not

42
00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,960
Speaker 1: always a George Floyd thing. You know, when you see

43
00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,320
Speaker 1: something right, then they call him attorney and they move

44
00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,760
Speaker 1: on a lot of times. These cases have been going

45
00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,720
Speaker 1: on for several several months, and so this is one

46
00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,480
Speaker 1: that I wanted to talk about the bump back up.

47
00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,640
Speaker 1: I know a couple of media outlets talked about it,

48
00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,560
Speaker 1: but I just thought, you know, it was important. Jade,

49
00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,880
Speaker 1: who helps me produce for a number of different of

50
00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,680
Speaker 1: my shows, she pulled this story and when she got it,

51
00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:27,720
Speaker 1: I was just immediately drawn to it and got into it.

52
00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,760
Speaker 1: I've seen a couple of different other you know, independent

53
00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,880
Speaker 1: commentators talk about it, but I just didn't have un

54
00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,040
Speaker 1: time to unpack it. But I'm glad I did. And

55
00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,360
Speaker 1: so this story is about Durante Martin. Now said, findings

56
00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,919
Speaker 1: from an FBI investigation can clue that this Missouri teenager

57
00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,400
Speaker 1: died from a self inflicted gunshot wound, not at the

58
00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,280
Speaker 1: hands of the white home owner who was suspended suspected

59
00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,959
Speaker 1: to be responsible for his death, but they said that

60
00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,320
Speaker 1: it was him. Now the mother is saying, Oh, this

61
00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,120
Speaker 1: ain't really adding up. I think it's more to that.

62
00:02:58,200 --> 00:02:58,760
Speaker 1: Take a listen.

63
00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:04,359
Speaker 3: That's what hurts.

64
00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,600
Speaker 4: Erica Lott struggles to think about her oldest son, Durante Martin.

65
00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,120
Speaker 4: The nightmare started for Lots during a phone call with

66
00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:12,600
Speaker 4: her mother.

67
00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:19,880
Speaker 1: Got shot it up.

68
00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:23,359
Speaker 3: You should have got just shot it jump.

69
00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,639
Speaker 4: Yea Deronte Martin left his mother's home in Ferguson, Missouri,

70
00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,640
Speaker 4: on April twenty third, twenty twenty one, with people he

71
00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,400
Speaker 4: called his friends. That night, he ended up at a

72
00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,720
Speaker 4: party one hundred miles south at Fredericktown, Missouri, where he

73
00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:38,600
Speaker 4: got from a gunshot wound to the head.

74
00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:44,720
Speaker 1: All Right, guys, so you know this is very touching

75
00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:46,720
Speaker 1: to me. I had a cousin who was murdered, you know,

76
00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,280
Speaker 1: went with some friends and you know they ended up

77
00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,520
Speaker 1: murdering him. We know it wasn't self inflicted. Rest in peace,

78
00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,920
Speaker 1: Dan Jordan Turner is actually his dad. Anniversary was coming

79
00:03:55,960 --> 00:04:00,120
Speaker 1: up with the next week. But I remember, you know,

80
00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,640
Speaker 1: the thought of going somewhere with friends and ending up dead.

81
00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,680
Speaker 1: It really reminded me, you know, of his case around

82
00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,480
Speaker 1: the same age. Jordan might have been nineteen or twenty

83
00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:14,640
Speaker 1: around that same age, and it took us months to

84
00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,920
Speaker 1: find him in a field and his friends, you know,

85
00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,039
Speaker 1: shot and killed him. But the idea of leaving with

86
00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,359
Speaker 1: friends and then winding up dad. Now this particular case,

87
00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:31,640
Speaker 1: he was found you know, in the basement and you

88
00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:35,440
Speaker 1: know there was one corner report that said or one

89
00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,640
Speaker 1: forensic investigation that said it was self inflicted. But then

90
00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:43,360
Speaker 1: as they proceeded on with more investigations, they had another

91
00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,359
Speaker 1: forensic expert that said she disagreed that she did not

92
00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,120
Speaker 1: say that it was not self inflicted, but she said, basically,

93
00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,279
Speaker 1: it can't be excluded. In other words, she can't determine

94
00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,200
Speaker 1: if it was or if it wasn't, which means there's

95
00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,800
Speaker 1: still some questions. The reason why people had a lot

96
00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:03,040
Speaker 1: to say about this is is because apparently James Wade,

97
00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,240
Speaker 1: who is the white man of the house that he

98
00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:10,120
Speaker 1: was found in, had made some racial some racist marks

99
00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,120
Speaker 1: remarks on social media. There was an alleged friend of

100
00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,520
Speaker 1: his that came forward that said that he said, yes,

101
00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,000
Speaker 1: he did it, but he would definitely do it again.

102
00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:24,440
Speaker 1: They said that mister Wade, who was the white guy's house,

103
00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,080
Speaker 1: he did take a lot of textive tests. Now, if

104
00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,080
Speaker 1: you can correct me if I'm wrong, based on information

105
00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,040
Speaker 1: that we saw, didn't say whether he passed or failed.

106
00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:32,919
Speaker 1: I would assume he passed or they would say, you

107
00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,000
Speaker 1: know that he failed. But he said that none of

108
00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,479
Speaker 1: that was true, that he did not do anything to

109
00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,040
Speaker 1: this guy but the mother is saying, no, I don't

110
00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,880
Speaker 1: believe that my son shot himself, but there was drugs involved.

111
00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,560
Speaker 1: There was a young man that provided drugs to him.

112
00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,360
Speaker 1: They said that he might have been tripping on that.

113
00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:54,159
Speaker 1: So it's just a real messy, messy case, and I

114
00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:55,840
Speaker 1: just wanted to hear your thoughts on it. Let's start

115
00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,320
Speaker 1: with you, Jay, what do you think about this, because

116
00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,680
Speaker 1: since they did find the myth and fatamine in his body,

117
00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,200
Speaker 1: do you think he tripped out and shot himself? Think

118
00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,160
Speaker 1: somebody else tripped out and shot him. What are your

119
00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:07,320
Speaker 1: suspicions with this case.

120
00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, my suspicions with this case. I saw with the

121
00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,200
Speaker 3: family there could be some foul play here. I know

122
00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,800
Speaker 3: that the homeowner actually did have some racists and the

123
00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:23,520
Speaker 3: anti black racist posts on social media. But to your point, again,

124
00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:28,120
Speaker 3: this was you know, Damante was nineteen years old back

125
00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,120
Speaker 3: in April of twenty twenty one when the situation happened,

126
00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,800
Speaker 3: and he attended a prim celebration at the home of

127
00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,360
Speaker 3: James Wade in Frederickstown, Missouri, which again, like you said,

128
00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,000
Speaker 3: was far away from the house, and some partygoers when

129
00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,880
Speaker 3: they were interviewed, did say that he appeared to be inebriated.

130
00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,840
Speaker 3: I know a toxicology report did find metha fetamine in

131
00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,960
Speaker 3: his body, so you know, it's just one of those

132
00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:55,240
Speaker 3: cases where we can't take anything off the table. And

133
00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:59,320
Speaker 3: if the homeowner himself had racist social media posts and

134
00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,320
Speaker 3: he had a black man in his house, this was

135
00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:06,440
Speaker 3: his daughter's PROWM party. She was allegedly a friend of

136
00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:11,320
Speaker 3: a friend of Durante Martin, I definitely do suspect file play.

137
00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,120
Speaker 3: I know that we get to be very very very

138
00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:17,200
Speaker 3: cautious going into people's houses, but the fact that this

139
00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,160
Speaker 3: guy does have the homeowner rather has a racist history,

140
00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,760
Speaker 3: I am definitely siding with the family. The other thing

141
00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,080
Speaker 3: that I found to be really suspicious is that the

142
00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,080
Speaker 3: first Corners report said that there was it was violence.

143
00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:33,800
Speaker 3: The second one investigation said it was suicide. But then

144
00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:39,560
Speaker 3: there's this debate whether suicide is actually included in violence,

145
00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,520
Speaker 3: and one of the people from the news report, one

146
00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,520
Speaker 3: of the experts from the news report and law enforcement

147
00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:48,720
Speaker 3: did say that suicide is federally classified under violence. So

148
00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:53,040
Speaker 3: there's a lot of speculation here. There's a lot of

149
00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,000
Speaker 3: like loose ends that haven't been tied up, And I

150
00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,960
Speaker 3: was just really, really surprised that the FBA. Excuse me,

151
00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,640
Speaker 3: the FBI just claimed that it was so aside. So

152
00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,320
Speaker 3: the other thing that I will say too before I

153
00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:08,000
Speaker 3: turn it back over to y'all, is that Daurante's the deceased,

154
00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,600
Speaker 3: his phone was wiped cleaned when it was returned to

155
00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,960
Speaker 3: his family. You know, the phone was also not even listed,

156
00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,640
Speaker 3: you know, on the report when his body was recovered.

157
00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,680
Speaker 3: And so to his mother's point, why was it not

158
00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,880
Speaker 3: listed and why was his phone wiped completely clean up

159
00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,800
Speaker 3: all pictures and everything like that? Why was his phone

160
00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:33,520
Speaker 3: not even pictured when the corners when the corner's office came. So, uh,

161
00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,320
Speaker 3: there's just a lot here. And you know, I'm always

162
00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:40,400
Speaker 3: wanting to be suspicious when our people end up, you know,

163
00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:44,640
Speaker 3: around racist. And this isn't you know, just credibly alleged racist.

164
00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,720
Speaker 3: This is someone who has had the homeowner who has

165
00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:51,000
Speaker 3: had racist posts that's documented in the public domain.

166
00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,319
Speaker 1: Mm hm, no good summary, Jade, especially that phone thing,

167
00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,679
Speaker 1: because she said that the then and the family also

168
00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,640
Speaker 1: said that at the very least the person that supplied

169
00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:03,560
Speaker 1: the rugs should have some type of even arrest questioning

170
00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,280
Speaker 1: charge like something. What do you think.

171
00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,320
Speaker 2: No, I was gonna follow up on that that there

172
00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,880
Speaker 2: should have been arrest for their being minors having alcohol

173
00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,960
Speaker 2: and drugs, for their being an adult at the scene

174
00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,160
Speaker 2: that you know, possibly could have been on alcohol drugs.

175
00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,920
Speaker 2: He was never tested, if I'm not mistaken for drugs.

176
00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,200
Speaker 2: People at the party were not tested for gun residue

177
00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,040
Speaker 2: on their fingers. Derante was the only one.

178
00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:29,680
Speaker 3: Tested for that.

179
00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:34,600
Speaker 2: All of that leaves a significant amount of suspicion as

180
00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,679
Speaker 2: to what really took place that day. But I think

181
00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,600
Speaker 2: what's most troubling for me is that this is not

182
00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,840
Speaker 2: the first time mister Wade has been in a situation

183
00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,520
Speaker 2: where someone has died on his property of strange causes,

184
00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,040
Speaker 2: And for me, the fact that this has occurred in

185
00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:54,240
Speaker 2: the past should warrant or be enough to warrant the

186
00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:59,840
Speaker 2: arrest of James Wade when police arrived at this situation.

187
00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,240
Speaker 2: An article by The Riverfront Times, the Saint Louis newspaper,

188
00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,240
Speaker 2: when talking about the past, is indent where a young

189
00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:11,720
Speaker 2: man died on James Wade's property, basically says that the

190
00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,840
Speaker 2: property that had once belonged to James Wade had two

191
00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:17,960
Speaker 2: young men that had died on that property.

192
00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,280
Speaker 1: How did they not say that again to say how

193
00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,840
Speaker 1: they died, is that that they died.

194
00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,240
Speaker 2: That the young man, the twenty year old Nico Lowry,

195
00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,600
Speaker 2: who was dating one of Wade's daughters, had gone missing

196
00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:33,079
Speaker 2: and apparently died of suicide. So you have enough situation

197
00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,040
Speaker 2: where a young twenty year old has died being in

198
00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,040
Speaker 2: the vicinity or on the property of James Wade, and

199
00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,440
Speaker 2: that wasn't enough for these authorities.

200
00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:45,040
Speaker 1: But the same thing like literally for suicide. Yes, all right,

201
00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,319
Speaker 1: So everybody that want to commit suicide just feel like

202
00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,559
Speaker 1: they can do it as at miss Wade's house is

203
00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:50,040
Speaker 1: what you're saying.

204
00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,079
Speaker 2: At James Wade's house, that's right. If you want to

205
00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,199
Speaker 2: commit suicide, this is the place to do it because

206
00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:58,080
Speaker 2: apparently you there won't be a thorough enough investigation to

207
00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,600
Speaker 2: gaina understand as to why people keep commuting committing suicide

208
00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,360
Speaker 2: and young men at that this is a twenty year

209
00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,360
Speaker 2: old who was dating one of his daughters, Why they're

210
00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:11,120
Speaker 2: committing suicide on this man's property. And so it's clear

211
00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,240
Speaker 2: that a number of balls have been dropped by police.

212
00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,280
Speaker 2: And we all know all too well that this is

213
00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:23,040
Speaker 2: not a unique circumstance where police do not put forth

214
00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,560
Speaker 2: the same resources and time and effort to investigate when

215
00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,880
Speaker 2: young black people die, when black women die, Telden, I

216
00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,880
Speaker 2: think you're aware. Our organization, Shirlott's Kitchen Cabinet, had been

217
00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,160
Speaker 2: working with local news outlets on the Kansas City side

218
00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,240
Speaker 2: of the state. This happened on the Saint Louis side

219
00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:39,959
Speaker 2: on the east side of the state. Were on the

220
00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,120
Speaker 2: Kansas City side of the state. We worked with a

221
00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,520
Speaker 2: reporter at Channel forty one, Sarah Plake, and we did

222
00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:50,199
Speaker 2: a three two or three series expose that basically found

223
00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,800
Speaker 2: that Missouri is the most dangerous place for black women

224
00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,640
Speaker 2: in the United States, that the highest homicide rates of

225
00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,560
Speaker 2: black women is in Missouri, some of the highest rates

226
00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,559
Speaker 2: of black women going missing is in Missouri. You are

227
00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,920
Speaker 2: more likely as a black woman to die of homicide

228
00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,200
Speaker 2: in Missouri than New York, the state of New York.

229
00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,920
Speaker 2: And part of that, I would say, is because of

230
00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,839
Speaker 2: the lack of police resources and work to not only

231
00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,959
Speaker 2: deal with homicides as they come about and fully investigate,

232
00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:22,719
Speaker 2: the lack of police procedures and structures and transparency when

233
00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:26,920
Speaker 2: it comes to missing black women, but how these cases

234
00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:31,440
Speaker 2: are handled. And her investigation centered on black women because

235
00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,520
Speaker 2: the research that came out of the CDC focused on

236
00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,840
Speaker 2: women and black women in particular. But I imagine if

237
00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:40,480
Speaker 2: we were to do the same research and look at

238
00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,960
Speaker 2: the same data for black men and black children, you

239
00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,440
Speaker 2: would see similar disparities. And so you know, we're talking

240
00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,880
Speaker 2: about systemic issues here on it when we talk about

241
00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:57,920
Speaker 2: the police and investigations, missing people, transparency, dedicating resources.

242
00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,920
Speaker 1: To bring people to justice.

243
00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:05,240
Speaker 2: Who decides that black lives are not valuable or worthy

244
00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,560
Speaker 2: and it don't matter. We're seeing where people are not

245
00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:12,320
Speaker 2: being brought to justice for their misdeeds. And I think

246
00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,959
Speaker 2: this is unfortunately a glaring example where a man has

247
00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:25,040
Speaker 2: already killed somebody, is able to yes more than one

248
00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,960
Speaker 2: person on his property, on his various properties, is allowed

249
00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,839
Speaker 2: to walk free and unchecked. We saw the same thing

250
00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,439
Speaker 2: with a young man in Kansas City, Ralph R. L

251
00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,640
Speaker 2: who had knocked on someone's door, knocked on the wrong

252
00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:42,000
Speaker 2: door when picking up a sibling. He's only fourteen fifteen

253
00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,880
Speaker 2: years old and was shot at the doorstep. And that

254
00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,199
Speaker 2: man was allowed to be in his house for a

255
00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,120
Speaker 2: number of days before the police decided to take him

256
00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,120
Speaker 2: in for questioning and take him off the streets. And

257
00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,840
Speaker 2: so we're talking about a larger systemic issue that is

258
00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,800
Speaker 2: unfortunately being highlighted by what is such a sad story

259
00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:03,040
Speaker 2: for this youngman's family.

260
00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,600
Speaker 1: That was good information, Michelle, for sure, thank you so

261
00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,440
Speaker 1: much for that, because I must have skipped over that

262
00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,240
Speaker 1: part about the previous suicide at his house. So great information.

263
00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,960
Speaker 1: And also thank you for giving us that information. You

264
00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,720
Speaker 1: know you're from the Missouri area, so that additional insight

265
00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,760
Speaker 1: was really really helpful. There's another story you wanted to

266
00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:24,880
Speaker 1: tell us about to Michelle, tell us a little bit

267
00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:25,320
Speaker 1: about that.

268
00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:31,840
Speaker 2: Well, unfortunately, we are seeing black youth killed and not

269
00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:36,560
Speaker 2: again getting the justice that they so deserve. In this case,

270
00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:42,720
Speaker 2: we're talking about a young nineteen year old Shady Robinson,

271
00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:47,720
Speaker 2: who was killed in West Monroe, Louisiana a few months

272
00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:51,200
Speaker 2: ago and had been dismembered. Her body had been dismembered

273
00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,920
Speaker 2: when she was found on a twenty third. Anthony Holland

274
00:14:55,000 --> 00:15:00,240
Speaker 2: was arrested after confessing to the crime. She the young woman,

275
00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,920
Speaker 2: Shady Robinson, had been on a dating app on New

276
00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:08,520
Speaker 2: Year's and decided to go on a date with Anthony Holland,

277
00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:13,320
Speaker 2: and apparently he dismembered her body either during or shortly

278
00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:18,200
Speaker 2: after sexual intercourse. Her body was found a few months

279
00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:24,040
Speaker 2: later and identified, and that is how police came to

280
00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,840
Speaker 2: arrest Anthony Holland for the crime. Hopefully he is brought

281
00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:33,120
Speaker 2: to justice and diet it as necessary. But just another

282
00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:37,240
Speaker 2: example how our young people are go ahead.

283
00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,760
Speaker 1: No, just let's be cleared. Anthony Holland is a white man,

284
00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:42,120
Speaker 1: but proceed on, because that's y.

285
00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,720
Speaker 2: Holland is a white man. He is about ten years

286
00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:52,880
Speaker 2: older than our unfortunate victim. And you know, it ties

287
00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:59,520
Speaker 2: into another similar story that happened in Wisconsin where another

288
00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,400
Speaker 2: young woman men who had gone out on a date

289
00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,120
Speaker 2: on one of these dating apps, had gone out on

290
00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,600
Speaker 2: a date and then turned up that she had been

291
00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,640
Speaker 2: killed by the person that she was dating. So a

292
00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:15,880
Speaker 2: lot to unpack there when it comes to ensuring that

293
00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,400
Speaker 2: black women and black girls and black boys and black

294
00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,680
Speaker 2: men are safe when we go out on these dating apps.

295
00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:25,880
Speaker 2: That are if you if we find ourselves in an

296
00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,800
Speaker 2: unfortunate situation where we are harmed, that we are able

297
00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:32,560
Speaker 2: to get the justice that we deserve, and that these

298
00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:36,400
Speaker 2: stories are highlighted in the media so that they get

299
00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:40,360
Speaker 2: the attention that's needed to bring folks to justice who

300
00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:41,360
Speaker 2: commit these crimes.

301
00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:43,360
Speaker 1: Now, let's call that the elephant in a room. So

302
00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,400
Speaker 1: Jade and I we're heavy in the conscious space, and

303
00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,520
Speaker 1: let's just call it what it is. Jay, A lot

304
00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,040
Speaker 1: of people's responsess is where you shouldn't have been with

305
00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:55,680
Speaker 1: that white man. So what's your thoughts on Okay, yeah,

306
00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,720
Speaker 1: maybe not. But at the end of the day, do

307
00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,920
Speaker 1: you think that that prohibits people from really advocating for

308
00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,560
Speaker 1: her because it's more like a get what you deserve

309
00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:05,280
Speaker 1: type of thing.

310
00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:10,280
Speaker 3: Yes, And I think that is very, very problematic. I

311
00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:14,960
Speaker 3: know that anytime there's violence or death, you know, those

312
00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,120
Speaker 3: things happen, we should definitely be advocating for the security

313
00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,120
Speaker 3: and protection of all black people all the time, and

314
00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,080
Speaker 3: not just when it's at the hands of a white person.

315
00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,440
Speaker 3: So especially, excuse me, especially when it's at the hands

316
00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:29,520
Speaker 3: of a white person, we need to make sure that

317
00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,760
Speaker 3: we are really advocating for our people or it just

318
00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,960
Speaker 3: seems to excuse and justify the violence, the death, the

319
00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,840
Speaker 3: murder of black women and black men in these situations.

320
00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,320
Speaker 3: And so I've heard a lot of that harmful rhetoric.

321
00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:45,359
Speaker 3: I think it's very very problematic. Unfortunately, black women in

322
00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:49,880
Speaker 3: this situation get labeled bedwinches right when they're done wrong,

323
00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,199
Speaker 3: when they're targeted, when they're hunted so to speak, by

324
00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:56,360
Speaker 3: suspected white supremacists and come up harmed or missing, or

325
00:17:56,400 --> 00:18:00,320
Speaker 3: in this unfortunate case, decease. And I think it's also

326
00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:02,680
Speaker 3: problematic when our people try to justify it or say

327
00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,080
Speaker 3: that's what they get for being over there, because that

328
00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,399
Speaker 3: same energy it's not kept when you know, black men

329
00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,280
Speaker 3: are doing the reverse with I think they call that

330
00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,960
Speaker 3: bed bucketing or something like that, dealing with white chicks

331
00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,320
Speaker 3: and they get harmed or him there, they.

332
00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,359
Speaker 1: Still they say, well, that's still our brother. You know,

333
00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,879
Speaker 1: Jonathan Majors is still our brother, or you know whoever

334
00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:23,680
Speaker 1: is still our brother. We still gotta fight our brother.

335
00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,160
Speaker 1: O j is still our brother. So whether they're harmed

336
00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:27,800
Speaker 1: or not, they still they still get a pass. When

337
00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:29,800
Speaker 1: they get in trouble with the law and they were

338
00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:31,600
Speaker 1: white women, well yeah he shouldn't have did that, but

339
00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,560
Speaker 1: they still our brother. But when it seems that there's

340
00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,800
Speaker 1: a constant conversation when black women do it as well,

341
00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,399
Speaker 1: that's what you chose, so just deal with it. And

342
00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,159
Speaker 1: I there's a double standard with that or not for everybody.

343
00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,920
Speaker 1: This is just a you know, a state, just something

344
00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,600
Speaker 1: that I see, you know, happen often. It's certainly not

345
00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,720
Speaker 1: the majority. For sure. I think the majority of people

346
00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,919
Speaker 1: want justice. But I do think it needs to be

347
00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,280
Speaker 1: named that when it is black women dating white men,

348
00:18:55,680 --> 00:19:01,520
Speaker 1: that the constacle the outrage is uh not what it

349
00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:09,119
Speaker 1: would be if it was vice versa.

350
00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,760
Speaker 2: The other thing that you see is this dynamic of

351
00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:17,520
Speaker 2: age coming into play in that young black women, no

352
00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,920
Speaker 2: matter how young they are, are often viewed as being

353
00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:25,200
Speaker 2: more responsible and capable of making very advanced decisions and

354
00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:30,040
Speaker 2: therefore are responsible for the harm that they encounter because

355
00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,280
Speaker 2: they were old enough to understand she was fast and

356
00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,199
Speaker 2: she should have known better. And I only bring that

357
00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,600
Speaker 2: up because in both cases I want to make sure

358
00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:41,640
Speaker 2: I get everybody's name right. The case in Louisiana is

359
00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:46,679
Speaker 2: the case with nineteen year old Cheryld Turner and her

360
00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:51,439
Speaker 2: killer Anthony Holland. The case Anthony Holland again who was

361
00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,840
Speaker 2: about ten years her senior. And then in the case

362
00:19:55,960 --> 00:20:00,760
Speaker 2: in Wisconsin, Shaddy Robinson, who is also ninety ten years old,

363
00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,720
Speaker 2: was on the date with Maxwell Anderson, who is thirty

364
00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,480
Speaker 2: three years old. So that's another component that I see.

365
00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:10,400
Speaker 2: You've got these very young teenage girls. At nineteen, you're

366
00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,840
Speaker 2: still a teenager. You think you know a lot, You

367
00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:14,600
Speaker 2: may believe you know a lot, but at nineteen, and

368
00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,280
Speaker 2: when I look back at nineteen and know half of

369
00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,720
Speaker 2: the things I thought I knew, and to be dating

370
00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,480
Speaker 2: going on a day, we're a thirty three year old

371
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,040
Speaker 2: at nineteen, or thirty year old at nineteen, there's another age,

372
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,439
Speaker 2: you know, twenty nine year old, there's another There's an

373
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,160
Speaker 2: age dynamic there that we don't often I think acknowledge,

374
00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,520
Speaker 2: and from what I said, in our community, and we

375
00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:36,960
Speaker 2: often blame young black girls for being in places or

376
00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,800
Speaker 2: taking actions or making decisions that they should have known

377
00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,880
Speaker 2: better about. Although at nineteen you don't know better.

378
00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,600
Speaker 1: Even if she went on some a date with somebody

379
00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,840
Speaker 1: closer age, your point is she's still a kid, so

380
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,639
Speaker 1: she still didn't make the right decision of judgment. But

381
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,480
Speaker 1: to be fair to our brothers, the justice system does

382
00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,960
Speaker 1: that to black kids period. You know, they look at Tamar,

383
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,320
Speaker 1: you know, as a full grown kid. You know, they

384
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 1: talk them, They don't call us boys. They look at

385
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,280
Speaker 1: them as men. They look at girls as women. So

386
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,120
Speaker 1: we can definitely say that that the system in itself,

387
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 1: we don't get a chance to be children and make

388
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 1: children mistakes.

389
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 3: Yees.

390
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I definitely would agree to that, but yeah,

391
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,920
Speaker 1: that it was something else you wanted to say on that, Jade,

392
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:22,920
Speaker 1: I think you.

393
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, the other thing I wanted to say is not

394
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 3: nearly the same type of crime. But just recently, there

395
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 3: were anti Israeli war protests happening on a college campus

396
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 3: and there was a black woman out there that was advocating,

397
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 3: you know, for Palestinians, and she was called Lizzo and

398
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 3: hefel and called the N word, and it was actually

399
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 3: a senator that was there. And one of the conversations

400
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 3: that happened on black Twitter and black Twitter spaces, you

401
00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 3: have a lot of so called pro blacks death saying

402
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,440
Speaker 3: that's what she gets, she shouldn't have been out there

403
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,360
Speaker 3: or whatever, and literally citing with white supremacists who were

404
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:09,440
Speaker 3: literally attacking this black woman for exercising her for you know,

405
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 3: her freedom of speech rights. And you know, that sort

406
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:19,439
Speaker 3: of sentiment about black women whether they end up in

407
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 3: predominantly white spaces and not getting sympathy, you know, it's

408
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 3: very very insidious. You know, at the on a social level,

409
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 3: and by the time these things happen where unfortunately someone's

410
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,959
Speaker 3: harm physically or loses their life, it seems to be

411
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 3: sort of swept under the rug. And so I just

412
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,439
Speaker 3: wanted to call that out because not only do we

413
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,879
Speaker 3: see in cases where black women are going out and

414
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 3: dating white men and finding themselves in these compromising situations,

415
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 3: even out in day to day society are just not

416
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 3: giving sympathy, even you know, by other black folks, and

417
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 3: I think it's really sad.

418
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 1: Well, that was a good summer, good rapp up. But

419
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 1: now we got a few more minutes. There was another

420
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 1: story you wanted to bring to our attension before we

421
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 1: get out of here. One tell us about it.

422
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Last week, I believe it or not, the Justice

423
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 3: Department made a move to reschedule marijuana as a lower

424
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 3: risk drug. And so just really quickly, the Body Administration

425
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 3: moved last Tuesday to reclassify marijuana as a lower risk substance.

426
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 3: A person familiar with the plans told CNN a historic

427
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 3: move that acknowledges the medical benefits of the long criminalized

428
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 3: drug and carries broad implications for cannabis related research in

429
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 3: the industry at large. And we also know that many dispensaries,

430
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 3: be their medical dispensaries, are opening up around the country.

431
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 3: Other states that have tended to be a bit more

432
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 3: conservative are reevaluating whether they want to allow recreational use

433
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 3: or medicinal use of cannabis. So I just thought it

434
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 3: was really interesting because you know, I was born in

435
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 3: eighty four, growing up in the eighties and nineties, when

436
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 3: you know, people were getting football numbers for smaller mouse

437
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 3: in marijuana. It's just really interesting to see where the

438
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 3: federal government is going now in twenty twenty four in

439
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 3: terms of classifying cannabis as a lower scheduled drug. And

440
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 3: I wanted to really bring that into the conversation.

441
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, thank you for that. And I again, legalizing marijuana,

442
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,439
Speaker 1: you know, has made a big difference in a lot

443
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 1: of his life. And I think I told you about

444
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: this day just a few a few weeks ago when

445
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: I went to somebody's funeral, one of my homeboys, who

446
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,120
Speaker 1: I just love, like he's the reason why we push

447
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: for this. When you say, Okay, we're gonna take somebody

448
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 1: that could just be selling it illegal but now has

449
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 1: his own, you know shop, He's like the reshot out

450
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: to tuna. He's like, the reason why we push for

451
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: these policies. But he gave me some very interesting information

452
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: about how that yes, they let you in the system,

453
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 1: but then they do everything to kick you out by

454
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 1: having these higher taxes. You know, he said, tell them

455
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 1: sometimes it's not even worth it having to pay four

456
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 1: or five thousand dollars a month in tax, this tax,

457
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: that test, this tax. So I've been learning a lot

458
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: from him about the equality and the equity that uh

459
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 1: that has allowed folks into it. You have some states

460
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: like Oklahoma that is really easy to get a dispensary,

461
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 1: and you would think it wouldn't be in Oklahoma because

462
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: it's a conservative state. But in places like Chicago that's

463
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: a liberal Illinois, you know, being a liberal place, you

464
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: have to go through a million different red tapes. So

465
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: there's a lot to be had on the marijuana conversation.

466
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: As they continue to lower this, what happens to the

467
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 1: people that got those numbers? You know those paths do

468
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: do do they automatically get to get stuff off their record?

469
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: Like is that a conversation? Is that gonna happen? Like

470
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: what happens in the past? How do you right the wrong?

471
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: You know from in the past, because if it was

472
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: if you know it's wrong now, then it was wrong then.

473
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 1: So I know you followed this a lot, and I

474
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: appreciate you bringing that to everybody's attention. But those are

475
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: the kind of things, you know, we want to keep

476
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 1: having those conversations, those advocacies about push the line, like

477
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: let's talk, let's get it and not just give everybody

478
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 1: cause you know, killer Mike talks a lot about getting

479
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: people weed dispensaries and always tell them, you know, but

480
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,360
Speaker 1: that's just two or three people working. There's other things

481
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 1: you also do in the weed business, you know, as well,

482
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,719
Speaker 1: product supplies, things like that. But it is much bigger

483
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: than that. And for me, it's the criminality of it

484
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 1: all and going back and writing some of those wrongs

485
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: and maybe possibly even not not a reparations claim for slavery,

486
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: but when you say when I say reparations, I mean repair.

487
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: So there might be conversation about around how do we

488
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 1: repair compensation wise for those who did get those double

489
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 1: digit numbers and what does that look like today that

490
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 1: the federal government ever do it. But that don't mean

491
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: we ain't gonna stop asking for it.

492
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 2: Absolutely right, Oh go ahead, Michelle, that's right, and I

493
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,959
Speaker 2: agree wholeheartedly. I think by lowering the rating and the

494
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 2: scheduling rating, it helps to destigmatize the use of marijuana,

495
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 2: which essentially just makes it easier for businesses to get

496
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 2: new clientele and bringing you know, new customers. It benefits

497
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 2: the businesses. But what about those who have had their

498
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 2: whole families torn apart because of you know, this war

499
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 2: on drugs that locked up black men and women at

500
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 2: disproportionate rates, you know, for dombags weed and those that

501
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 2: are still getting locked up because in many states where

502
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 2: these laws have been passed, oftentimes it's up to the

503
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 2: prosecutor whether they will charge marijuana low crime offenses as

504
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 2: they come across their debts. So there are still being

505
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 2: people who are black people in particularly, were being arrested

506
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 2: today if they are caught with weed. There's still legislation

507
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: coming through a number of states that will mandate how

508
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 2: many dispensaries there will be and how many farms will

509
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 2: get to be grown in a state, and who gets

510
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 2: access to those contracts via the cost to register your business,

511
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 2: the cost to apply for the application. In Missouri, we

512
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 2: saw a number of applications come through and none of

513
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 2: those that got contracts were African American. There was such

514
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,959
Speaker 2: disparities and chaos and even how the applications were rated

515
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 2: that there's a question about if there was true equity

516
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 2: in that process. In Kansas, they were reviewing bills in

517
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 2: a session that would have made it so that only

518
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 2: a handful I don't think more than five organizations for

519
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 2: five companies would be allowed to have licenses in Kansas,

520
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 2: thereby through legislation, blocking access to Black people to even

521
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: be able to own a dispensary, or apply for application

522
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 2: and own a dispensary, or some of the ancillary businesses

523
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:27,479
Speaker 2: that exists within that marijuana consumption and consumer sector. And

524
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: so Tesna, you talk about reparations for those that have

525
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 2: been harmed. I think that's a discussion that needs to

526
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: be had across the US, because Black people are harmed,

527
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 2: are families torn apart. People have gone away for years

528
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 2: and have not been able to after paying their debt

529
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 2: to society for what likely amounted to be a low

530
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 2: level offense, not been able to regain their life and

531
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 2: come back into the community and live the life that

532
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 2: they should be able to considering that they've paid their times.

533
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: And and just to be clear for the reparations community,

534
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,719
Speaker 1: because you know, when they hear reparations, they only think

535
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: of one type of repend they don't want nobody speaking on.

536
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: So just to be clear the reparation, Yeah, yeah, because

537
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: I don't need no drawing reparations. We understand the reparations

538
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: or for the descendants of those who've been enslaved, whether

539
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: they did crime, didn't do crime, not crime, but the

540
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: all of those things that go into reparations of One

541
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: of those things is uh, the injustice that black people

542
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: have received in the criminal justices for the last fourhundred years.

543
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: When I say reparations for this in particular, I'm just

544
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: using that word because it means repair. So probably a

545
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: better word would be class action lawsuit or some type

546
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: of claim or some type of justice uh that needs

547
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: to happen as a result specifically of marijuana. So I

548
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: just want to be clear because what they'll hear is reparations.

549
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: We didn't all smoke no weed, we didn't all get

550
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: no crime, we didn't all do no reparations the lineage,

551
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: and then that'll be a whole nothing, and I ain't

552
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: got time for that. So I just wanted to put

553
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: that one out there and to be clear, well ladies, yes,

554
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: ma'am oh, I gotta do a disclaim because we be

555
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: over there with the reparationists and we don't want to

556
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: know the over you're saying.

557
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 3: No confusion. But this is one thing I do want

558
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 3: to say before we wrap up this particular conversation is

559
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 3: I just have a lot of questions about the regulation

560
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 3: of cannabis, in marijuana, if it is going to be

561
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 3: moved down as a scheduled to drug like code like

562
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 3: tile them all with coding and you know, other prescription drugs.

563
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 3: I am in DC and I wholeheartedly support the decriminalization

564
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 3: of marijuana. I think it's been great. And I see

565
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 3: teenagers and middle school students, adolescents walking around high and

566
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 3: smoking weed down the street, right. And so just because

567
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 3: something is you know, it's put as a scheduled to drug, right,

568
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 3: does not necessarily mean that it is safe, especially for

569
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 3: young people. Do I believe that young people need to

570
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 3: be criminalized for smoking weed? No, But I think it

571
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 3: also causing to question about like the messaging that this

572
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 3: sends and how we are going to protect young people

573
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 3: whose brains are still developing from being higher all day

574
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 3: walking down the street smoking weed. Everyone does not do this.

575
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that all teenagers are adolescents do it wrong.

576
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: People do it all day, every day and don't need

577
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: to do it. You know, we did a couple of

578
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: stories on that on front page News about the harms

579
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: of it. Ain't all positive, you know, if we're gonna

580
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: be honest about it, you know, any of anything that

581
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: is positive.

582
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like the levels of THC are astronomical in a

583
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 3: lot of these new strains and these medicinal strains of marijuana.

584
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 3: This is like, this stuff is way more potent than

585
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 3: it was in the seventies, eighties, sixties, right.

586
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: Because people got to go higher and higher. It's not working,

587
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: so they just got to keep getting higher and higher

588
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: and higher and adding more chemicals, which is more dangerous.

589
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: So now you hit a really good point.

590
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just need to I need to make sure

591
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 3: that these things are going to be regulated and make

592
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 3: sure that, you know, our young people don't fall susceptible

593
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 3: to new addictions when they're young just because it's you know,

594
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 3: decriminalized or which is I still believe it's a good thing,

595
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 3: or you know, listed as the schedules to drugs.

596
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, well alcohol is legal, but that don't mean

597
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: you're supposed to get drunk and drive and run into

598
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: a tree, you know. So you're so basically like you're saying,

599
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: it's levels to everything, and and there needs to be

600
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: awareness for that as well, you know, campaigns for that

601
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: as well. You know, don't drink and drive, and you know,

602
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: making sure that the same energy that's put into that,

603
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: you know, is also put into making sure that people

604
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: are safe and not just for no teens also some

605
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: of these grown ass people you know also in their addictions.

606
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: So I'm feel exactly what you're saying with Jade is

607
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: on the job, and she's gonna continue to follow up

608
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: on it. And when I say she's gonna follow up

609
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: on she really to be following up on it. I

610
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: be tell all the time, Jay, we only got two minutes.

611
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: We got to go through a whole Supreme Court case.

612
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: So she is a research queen and so she wanted

613
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: to make sure she got that out to you guys.

614
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: I hope you did enjoy this week of straight Shot

615
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: out Chase. I hope you enjoyed his new format. How

616
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: let your girl and let me know I'm excited to

617
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: have Michelle and Jay join me on this journey. Both

618
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: of them are either one of them will be based

619
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: on their schedule if they so allow, will be joining

620
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: me moving forward at least for the the next month

621
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: or so, because we just want to try this out.

622
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: We want to see if I've been doing this. This

623
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: would be the fourth year that I've only done this

624
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: by myself, and it's been a blessing to be on

625
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: Black Effect Podcast Network, But now you know, I want

626
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: to switch it up and try some different things. So

627
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: thank you so much Michelle and Jade for joining me

628
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: and really just having the conversation and we always have

629
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: offline literally every day. Guys. All you really did was

630
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: just tap into what we talk about literally every day.

631
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: You're just if Jay and I, if we're not texting

632
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: information going back and forth, Michelle and I texting information

633
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: going back and forth, so we constantly have our nose

634
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: in the news. And so I just said, you know what,

635
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: why don't I just bring bring you guys on and

636
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: talk about what we talk about behind the scenes and

637
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: hopefully give people some different insight, right because to me,

638
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: it's not all about me. It is really about trying

639
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: to share this platform with whoever I can and you

640
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: can hear them as well. If you guys want to

641
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: give out where to follow you or anything like that,

642
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: please do Michelle.

643
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 2: You can follow me on Twitter at Michelle m I

644
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 2: C H E L E one L L Watley. To

645
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 2: keep up with what we're doing with Shirlot's Kitchen Cabinet.

646
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,479
Speaker 2: You can follow us on all social media platforms at

647
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 2: Shirley's s H I R L E Y s K CMO.

648
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 2: And thank you Ted for the platform. And again, because

649
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: you are known for strong arming, debo is in your

650
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 2: you know essence. I don't think that you'll have to

651
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 2: ask me to come back. I'm ready to come back

652
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 2: and grateful for the opportunity to bring our conversations on

653
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 2: this great platform that you've created.

654
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: I appreciate that I wish you would say no like

655
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: Jay maybe to say no, but your girl, I wish

656
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: you would.

657
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: And are you even asking me like why box?

658
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: Because I'm constantly just so y'all know, I'm like big

659
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: system ship. I'm constantly jumping in for her, so yeah

660
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: and so she she owes me this and the.

661
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 3: Volunteerd Michelle has been volunteered.

662
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 2: I've just been told there's no volunt be here at

663
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 2: this time. It better be on your calendar.

664
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: And you met her now because I just everybody clear

665
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 1: because I do the same for Michelle. She can always

666
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: count on me. So yes, I absolutely to be here.

667
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the.

668
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: Very least.

669
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 3: Okay, they heard you the first time. Jay.

670
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: Where can they find you? Baby?

671
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 3: Yes, they can find me on social media platforms by

672
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 3: my name, Jaye Horel. You can also look me up

673
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 3: on social media platforms as lyon, as crowned, and if

674
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 3: you want to check out the work that I do

675
00:35:54,160 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 3: coaching and doing empowerment around all things black, you can

676
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 3: go to high Black Esteem dot com. That's High Black

677
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 3: Esteem dot com.

678
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: All right, guys, well, thank you so much for listening.

679
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: You'll get a chance to know more about my co

680
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 1: host as we move forward. I've encouraged them to do

681
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: some one on one interviews that they do to use

682
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: this platform so you can get a little bit to

683
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: know about them. The stories that we do weekly, the

684
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: stories that they pull, stories that I pull, stories that

685
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: are important to them, So you'll get a chance to

686
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: know their personality, what they stand for, see what we

687
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: agree on, see we don't agree on flush it out,

688
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: put the facts on the table and allow you an

689
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: opportunity to engage. Make sure you follow me a Teslim

690
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: Figure or you can drop a comment. Make sure you

691
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: subscribe to this guy's subscribe subscriptions really do matter, even

692
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 1: if you don't listen to it every single week. Just

693
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: to lease subscribe to it. The numbers really really do matter.

694
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: But can you do me a favor and also bring

695
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: a friend? I would greatly appreciate it. You've listened to

696
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: straight Shot No Chaser with Teslim Figure on our Heart

697
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: Radio on the Black Faith Podcast Network. See you next week. Peace.

698
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,280
Speaker 1: If you like what you heard on straight Shot No Chaser,

699
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: please subscribe and drop a five star review and tell

700
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: a friend. Straight Shot No Chaser is a production of

701
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: the Black Effect Podcast Network and iHeartRadio. His onn figure

702
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 1: out and I'd like to thank our producer editor mixer

703
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: Dwayne Crumper and our executive producer Charlotte Magnea God. For

704
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

705
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts.