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A 25 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: guy that is definitely a fan favorite on Forgotten Seasons, 26 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: Andre Miller talking twenty ten Portland Trailblazers. We got Brandon Roy, 27 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: greg Odin, LaMarcus Aldridge, and Andre leading the charge. Kind 28 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: of a tough season for the Blazers. Yes, they won 29 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: fifty games, but both greg Odin and Brandon Roy saw 30 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: injuries really take over their career. Despite all that, Andre 31 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: did his thing. He played all eighty two games, He 32 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: scored a career high fifty two points and helped salvage 33 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: what could have been a design of a season into 34 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: a really respectable one. As we have covered before, the 35 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: West twenty ten one of the best years ever. All 36 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: eight teams that made the playoffs had fifty or more wins. 37 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: That's only the second time that's happened. Two thousand and 38 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: eight is that other year. Let's get into it now 39 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: quick reminder, check out the rest of the Showtime Basketball 40 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: catalog all the smoke, CAG certified What's burnin Iverson Classic 41 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: bringing you guys the heat every week. Definitely tap in, 42 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: make sure to drop a rating in a review. Let's 43 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 1: get into this one. Andre Miller on the twenty ten 44 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: Blazers begins right now. Welcome everybody, Dove Forgotten Seasons. Welcome 45 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: to Andre Miller, the Professor, Dre. How's it going today? 46 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 2: MM? Pretty good. Thanks for having me. 47 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: Before we get into Portland talk, I want to quickly 48 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: ask you about your experience last week in Memphis at 49 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 1: the Iverson Classic. We were there together, had a lot 50 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: of NBA guys there, Jr. Smith, Bonzi Wells, Stephen Jackson, 51 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 1: Darius Smiles. What was your experience and also speak on 52 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: the game significance to you as it relates to to AI. 53 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, man, Memphis was a great trip for me. 54 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 3: I've been out of a loop as far as traveling, 55 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 3: you know, especially with COVID and being around basketball. 56 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 2: And you know, one of my neighbors. 57 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 3: Jelannie McCoy who helps out with production and so forth, 58 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 3: inviting me to come out there and check it out, 59 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 3: and you know, I didn't know what they expect. You know, 60 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 3: I hadn't followed Alan iverson, but you know, he's doing 61 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 3: great things for his community, the community of Memphis, you know, 62 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 3: giving these kids a platform to express their talent and 63 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 3: going to hopefully, you know, be successful citizens or whether 64 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 3: NBA or whatever. But he's doing his job as far 65 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 3: as giving back to the community. So you know, you know, 66 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 3: his legacy is le definitely living on. You know, I 67 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 3: enjoyed playing against them all those years. You know, it 68 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 3: was tough, but you know, you know, he's one of 69 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 3: the greatest competitors that ever played the game. So I 70 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 3: enjoyed just being out there and being a part of 71 00:03:58,440 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 3: it and supporting it. 72 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: Well, we'll have to have you back next year. And 73 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: I think I speak for the entire Showtime family, but 74 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: you know, whenever you feel like hopping around, you're always welcome. 75 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 76 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: So headed into the season of Focus today, twenty ten 77 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: Portland Trailblazers. This is your eleventh season in the league, 78 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: your fifth team. The Blazers are coming off a fifty 79 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: four win season in nine. They got Brandon Roy, who's 80 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: one of the bright young superstars in the game. They 81 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: bring in you and Juwan Howard. In the offseason, you 82 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: sign a three year deal with Portland. Quickly take us 83 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: through just your decision making process in that summer, who 84 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: you were talking to, and why you ultimately ended up 85 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: in Portland. 86 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 2: Well, the summer. The summer was tough, you know, leaving Philly. 87 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 3: You know, I wanted to stay in Philly and play 88 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 3: with those young guys. 89 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 2: And build from there. 90 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 3: And you know, you know, it wasn't too many options 91 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 3: for me as far as you know, navigating through the 92 00:04:56,240 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 3: free agency, and Portland came aboard and you know, offered 93 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 3: me a deal. You know, I saw who they had 94 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 3: on the team and you know what the expectations was 95 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 3: of me and trying to help them get over the 96 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 3: hump and. 97 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 2: Get to the playoffs. And I thought it was a fit, 98 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 2: good fit. 99 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 3: You know, it was probably one of my only, maybe 100 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 3: one of maybe two or three options that I thought 101 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 3: was the best for me. So I took that and 102 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 3: you know the rest was history. I had a good 103 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 3: time there, and you know, we went to the playoffs 104 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 3: a couple of times, and you know, it was a 105 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 3: good experience. 106 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: So when I was reading looking back at the pieces 107 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: that were coming out back then, no surprise. But the 108 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: GM Kevin Pritchard really praised early on just the veteran 109 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: presence that you brought to the room. He called you 110 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: the director. And obviously, you know, you were in the 111 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: league for a little over fifteen years, but this is 112 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 1: year eleven. Who were the guys sort of early on 113 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: in your career, your influential ogs that taught you how 114 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: to be a leader both on and off the court. 115 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 2: In the locker room, well. 116 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 3: I think back then it was a lot different because 117 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 3: you had a lot of veterans in the locker room, 118 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 3: a lot of veteran influence, and I just kind of 119 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 3: monitored how guys took took care of themselves and how 120 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 3: they went about their business. And you know, back then 121 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 3: it was you know, you just got to leave by 122 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 3: example and earn your respect from those older guys. It 123 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 3: wasn't a lot of talking, so I couldn't you know, say, man, 124 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 3: I need you to practice, however, I need you to 125 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 3: do this. You know, it wasn't like that back then. 126 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 3: That's where you actually lost respect by by talking too much. 127 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 3: So guys that I kind of you know, you know, 128 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 3: looked at as far as you know, professionals in the 129 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 3: business was like a Bimbo Coles Clarence Weatherspoon, you know, 130 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 3: since Junis of Goskins was a little bit older than me, 131 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 3: bred and I Breven Knight was maybe. 132 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 2: A couple of years older than me. You know, just 133 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 2: just guys that I monitored on a daily basis that 134 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 2: you know, I'm like, these guys are gonna be around 135 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 2: a long time. You know, they're good people. And it 136 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 2: was I just went out there and did my job 137 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:58,799 Speaker 2: and that's where I earned my respect. 138 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. 139 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 2: Yeah. 140 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: I Mean it comes up a lot when I talk 141 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: to these guys about how today there isn't that true 142 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: veteran leadership in locker rooms in the league. People get 143 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: cut off from the league when they're like thirty three, 144 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: thirty four, whereas back then, you know, thirty eight, thirty 145 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: nine year olds. So that's definitely interesting to hear. Going 146 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: on to the roster, I mentioned Brandon Roy, one of 147 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: my favorite players of all time, and this season is 148 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: unfortunately really the last that we see of Brandon Roy, 149 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: the superstar, before his his injuries really start to get 150 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: to him. What are your first memories of, you know, 151 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: walking into to practice or a game with Brandon Roy? 152 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: And what did you see there? 153 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 2: Man? 154 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 3: You know, when I went into practice, I was like this, 155 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 3: this might be one of the most complete rosters that 156 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 3: I was over. You know, you got Brandon Roy, you 157 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 3: got Joe Chris Billa. I think, actually I think that 158 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 3: was both years. He was actually hurt. But you know, 159 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 3: both years were teams that were complete, and I felt that, 160 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 3: you know, health, we can compete, compete in the playoffs 161 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 3: if we stay healthy. And you know, to have a 162 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 3: guy like that, you know, you know, a budding superstar, 163 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 3: you know, the. 164 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 2: Guy's a limit. 165 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 3: When you got big guys and wings that could defend 166 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 3: and run, and then you got a star that you 167 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 3: could play through. 168 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 2: You know, I was excited about the opportunity. 169 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 3: It's just that, you know, the injuries hit him, The 170 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 3: injuries hit Greg Oden. You know, it was it was 171 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 3: just an unfortunate situation. But you know, guys where a 172 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 3: step up. 173 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 2: It was. It was it was veterans in that locker room. 174 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 2: Marcus Camby, Nick Batoon, mar Tel Webster, Jwan Howard, you know, 175 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 2: Gerald Wallace. It was it was next year. But both 176 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 2: both those years. 177 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 3: Were complete teams, and it's just unfortunate that, you know, 178 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 3: a guy that's from right up the road in Seattle 179 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 3: is a is A is a star in this league, 180 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 3: and he's dealing with injuries. 181 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 2: So you know, he's a good dude. 182 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 3: You know, things didn't work out for him like he wanted, 183 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 3: but he went on to have a great coaching career 184 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 3: and high school back at his hometown. 185 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 2: So you know, it was a good experience for all 186 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 2: of us at that time. 187 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: You guys win fifty games in the West that's loaded, 188 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 1: and you only get sixty five games out of Brandon 189 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 1: Roy and Greg Oden. Season gets cut short, you know, 190 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: twenty one games in so those your two of your 191 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: your main guys, but you still win fifty games. Do 192 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: you feel like the ceiling was much higher for that 193 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: team had it not been for injuries? 194 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 2: Oh? 195 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 3: I mean that team was actually built, you know, now 196 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 3: that I think about it, that team health wise, if 197 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 3: we would have stayed healthy, we could have played with 198 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 3: anybody in the league, you know, all the way maybe 199 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 3: to possibly if everybody's healthy, to possibly make a conference 200 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 3: finals run. You know, I even forgot to mention LaMarcus Audust. 201 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. That guy's a Hall of Famer, 202 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 3: So you know, it was a lot of talent. Man, 203 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 3: It's just unfortunate that the injuries were there. And you 204 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 3: got to understand, the Western Conference super loaded, you know, 205 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 3: it was super talented. Teams were loading up. The Dallas 206 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 3: Mavericks I think won one of those years, the Chaps, 207 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 3: this was the Lakers, so you got the Lakers. It 208 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 3: was just so competitive, man. So I was just happy 209 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 3: to be a part of the Western Conference in the 210 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,839 Speaker 3: league at that time when it was so competitive. 211 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. 212 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 213 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: We'll get to that deep dive in in a little bit. 214 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: Circling back to Greg Godin, Like I mentioned, twenty one games, 215 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: his season is cut short and then unfortunately that's kind 216 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: of the last week we see of him for almost 217 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: five years. But in that twenty one game stretch, if 218 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 1: you remember opening the season, he was really good. He's 219 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: everging like pretty much a double double, two and a 220 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: half blocks. What do you remember from Greg Godin at 221 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: that time? 222 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 2: Man, at that time, you guys understaid. I was a 223 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 2: little bit older still, yeah, thirty three, yeah. 224 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 3: Thirty three years old, and you know it was probably 225 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 3: like at that time, maybe maybe two or three guys, 226 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 3: maybe two guys that I felt that was kind of 227 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 3: like a could be like a shock replica. You know, 228 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 3: I thought Greg Odin could have been that dominant, you know, 229 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 3: being that size and that athletic him. And I think 230 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 3: Eddie Curry, Eddie Curry was a big guy and these 231 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 3: guys you could move him. And you know, I was 232 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 3: there when he went down with that knee injury, and 233 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 3: you know, it was it was just it was just crazy. 234 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 2: I felt bad for him. And then right after that, 235 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 2: I think within the next week, Joe Prince Billa went 236 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 2: down with the same injury, and you know, it was 237 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 2: just just just tough for guys. It's hard to stay 238 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 2: healthy when you're that big, and you know, anything can happen. 239 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 3: He just jumped up in the air and I just remember, 240 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 3: you know, him falling out, and you know, but you know, 241 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 3: he went on to figure it out for the rest 242 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 3: of his career in life, and you know, much success 243 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 3: to him. But you know, those were years that it 244 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 3: was very, very competitive and I was hoping guys stay healthy. 245 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: Well, we mentioned the West, this is only one two 246 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: years ever that every team that made the playoffs had 247 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 1: fifty wins. You have Okay, see at the eight seed 248 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: with Durant and Westbrook with fifty and then the Lakers 249 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: at the one seed with Gasol and Kobe at fifty seven. 250 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:14,719 Speaker 1: You touched on it a little bit earlier, but kind 251 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: of just interested to hear if you remember, like what 252 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: teams did you remember matching up with the most and 253 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: maybe enjoy those rivalries. I mean, you got Okce San Antonio, 254 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: Utah with Darren Williams, Denver with Mellow and Chauncey Phoenix. 255 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: You guys see in the playoffs with National MARII was 256 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: there one team or maybe matchup that you remember from 257 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: that time that one maybe pushed you in two You 258 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 1: just have memories of today. 259 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 3: Man, I remembered all those games, you know, you know, 260 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 3: especially the ones with you know, a team that trades. 261 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 3: You know, you know, I still remember going to sit 262 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 3: in the stands to watch Denvern Lakers in the conference finals, 263 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 3: and you know I looked forward to playing against that team. 264 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,559 Speaker 3: Of course, you know the Dallas math Ricks with Kid 265 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 3: Terry and the Whiskey, and you know the veterans they 266 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 3: had on that team, and the Lakers, I mean, the Jazz, 267 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 3: the Rockets, every team was good and I just looked 268 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 3: for it. It was it was a challenge every night, 269 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 3: just to you know, know that every night you couldn't 270 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 3: you couldn't take a night off. You couldn't take a 271 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 3: night off. Guys were hungry, guys were competitive, and then 272 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 3: you got the young KD. That team was probably the 273 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 3: biggest team that you know, the Lakers were big, but 274 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 3: as far as wings like that OKC team with Harden, Durant, 275 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 3: Jeff Green, Cephalosa, Evaka, I mean, it was it was. 276 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 3: It was like the league started to change right before 277 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 3: my eyes with the amount of. 278 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 2: Talent that was in the West. 279 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 3: So you know, I enjoyed all the all the games 280 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 3: playing against those guys. 281 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: And then at the point guard position specifically, I think 282 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 1: it's interesting we have kind of a changing of generations. 283 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 1: Like Steve Nash and Jason Kido are still in the West, 284 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 1: they're kind of, you know, at the tail end of 285 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: their careers. But then you got guys like Westbrook, Rajon Rondo, 286 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: Darren Williams, Chris Paul all coming up, so there's a 287 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: real change of guard I know that they're all great, 288 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: but was there one or two guys from that team 289 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: maybe that I mentioned that that you just really liked 290 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: matching up against, and maybe kind of gave you a 291 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: little bit of difficulties at times. 292 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 3: Man, they all started to give me difficulties, you know, 293 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 3: especially as I'm older and you go from Garden Chauncey, Billups, 294 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 3: Darren Williams, Tony Parker, you know, we were all getting older. 295 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 3: And then you got Chris Paul, then you got Lillard, 296 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 3: you got Westbrook with the young legs, you got Curry 297 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 3: coming in. 298 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 2: I mean, it was like, what's going on here? You know, 299 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 2: it was like a hybrid. You know. They took the 300 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 2: game from the point. 301 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 3: Guard, the little guy position, and it just it just 302 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 3: like went over that cliff as far as you know, 303 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 3: the shooting, the ball handling skills, you know, just their 304 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 3: movement and shooting alone, they just took it to another level. 305 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 3: So you know, those type of guards that played on 306 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 3: all three levels. They could shoot it from deep, they 307 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 3: could shoot it from mid range, they can ball handle it, 308 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 3: they could finish, and that was something that took the 309 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 3: lead to where it was today once those guys started 310 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 3: coming in. 311 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: Anybody in the league today like remind you of yourself. 312 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: I mean, like a true floor general. Maybe maybe not 313 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: not jumping through the gym, but but he's able to 314 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: really just like be an elite game manager without that 315 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: explosive athleticism or three level scoring man. 316 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 2: I don't really think about it that much, you know. 317 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 2: You know, I like Lonzo Ball, you know I like that. 318 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, of course he's a lot taller than me, but 319 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 3: you know, he's a pass first, past first guy. And 320 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 3: you know, a lot of people criticize him for a 321 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 3: shooting but you know, he's proven to be a pretty 322 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 3: good shooter if you put him, you know, his career 323 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 3: stats versus a Jason Kidd as far as three pointers 324 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 3: made and attempted, he's right there. The thing with me is, 325 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 3: you know I was an opportunity shooter from deep, you know, 326 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 3: and I got Chris Oh, he's a bad shooter. Well, 327 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 3: you know, if you watch the NBA nowadays, guys don't 328 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 3: don't hover and shove out three point half court shots 329 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 3: at the end of quarters. And I didn't shoot a 330 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 3: lot of threes, but you know, at the end of quarters, 331 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 3: I say, for my career, I probably shot about. 332 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 2: Thirty or forty thirty or forty. 333 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 3: Shots from half court trying to make a shot at 334 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 3: the end of the quarter and then not make your 335 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 3: percentages go down. 336 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 2: So you know, the analytics part. 337 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 3: That's why you don't see guys taking those type of 338 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 3: shots because it's a low risk shot and it messages 339 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 3: with their you know, the there three point percent. 340 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,359 Speaker 2: So you know, I thought I was a great. 341 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 3: Shooter, but you know, you know that's just not what 342 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 3: I will My specialty was. Now, you know, it's three levels. 343 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 3: You know, these guys are shooting the ball. They wake 344 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 3: up and it's encouraged to shoot that three. You know, 345 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 3: you got guys shooting ten to thirteen three pointers a game. 346 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 3: One guy where you know, you know, Chauncey Billups was 347 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 3: a great shooter. He probably shooting like maybe four if 348 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 3: that three or four three pointers and Darren Williams of 349 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 3: the world, those guys may shooting three or four to 350 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,479 Speaker 3: three pointers a game because they had to be floora 351 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 3: generals first. So you know, the game is a lot 352 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 3: lot different now. 353 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 2: It definitely is. 354 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: There is always a soft spot in my heart for 355 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: the twentyds early twenty tens games. NBA playoff action is 356 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: NonStop at DraftKings sportsbook and official sports betting partner of 357 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: the NBA. 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You know, 378 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 1: what were your guys's principles that that you tried to 379 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: bring into every game that maybe came down from you 380 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: and Nate. 381 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 2: I think Nate McMillan is a great coach. 382 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 3: You know, he played in the league in the era 383 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 3: where I thought the era was probably the best era 384 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 3: of basketball, not early late eighties, yeah, like the late 385 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 3: eighties and to the probably like the mid nineties ninety 386 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 3: eight with the Bulls. He played against those guys, so 387 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 3: he understands, you know, basketball on all levels. And that's 388 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 3: the respect that I have for him. 389 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 2: You know. I think the team that we had was verse, 390 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 2: so versatile. 391 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 3: We could play up Temple, or we can play slow basketball, 392 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 3: you know and throw the ball into the posta to 393 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 3: Greg Olden or LaMarcus Artist. So you know, but at 394 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 3: that time, the league was starting to change. You know, 395 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 3: the league wanted to see more uptempo basketball, less hand checking, 396 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 3: and I think Nate mcmiddll Nate McMillan got caught in 397 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 3: the kind of in the middle of transitioning, you know, 398 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 3: letting the rains go a little bit and letting us 399 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 3: get up and down the court. 400 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 2: So we were methodical, but it was like. 401 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 3: An opportunity, opportunity to run, we'll take advantage. If not, 402 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 3: we had to execute and I understood that. So, you know, 403 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 3: it was just the transition in years of the younger, 404 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 3: younger teams coming in and you know, getting up more 405 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 3: field goal attempts. 406 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 2: So Nate definitely did a great job with us. 407 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 3: You know, Unfortunately it was tough for him because he 408 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 3: had to deal with the injuries, but you know, he 409 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 3: helped build that team and that organization to respectable, respectable 410 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 3: organization that transferred over to Lillard coming in. 411 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: Definitely shout out to Nate McMillan. I want to spend 412 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 1: a little bit of time talking about LaMarcus Aldridge, because 413 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 1: we did kind of gloss over him. You mentioned Hall 414 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: of Famer, probably one of the best mid range shooters 415 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 1: for a big ever, maybe we could say you're coming 416 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 1: off a pick and roll. I mean, do you prefer 417 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: playing with a pick and pop, an elite picking pop 418 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 1: presence or more of a roller or does it not 419 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: matter for you? 420 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter for me. 421 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 3: I knew over fifty percent of the time if we 422 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,439 Speaker 3: ran the pick and roll, I knew that I was 423 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 3: able to create a good shot for somebody or myself, 424 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 3: And I knew LaMarcus Audust from fifteen to eighteen feet. 425 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 3: He was pretty much automatic. So it was always my beillout. 426 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 3: So if I was able to create something I know 427 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 3: in LaMarcus, you know, just watching him in warm ups, 428 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 3: he's taking that shot, it was like, you know, a 429 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 3: layup for him, So you know, not only do teams 430 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 3: have to rotate, then I can attack the basket and 431 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 3: you know, kick the ball out to the other side 432 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 3: of the court. And I just enjoyed. He actually probably 433 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 3: one of my favorite players that I played with because he. 434 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 2: Was so versatile. 435 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 3: You know, he could run to the rim, you could 436 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 3: throw it to the rim and catch the lobs, you 437 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 3: could throw it in the post and get out of 438 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 3: his way. And then his pick pop game, you know, 439 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 3: it was probably, I say, one of the best in 440 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 3: the history of basketball. 441 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: Definitely. And he's still going too, you got it still kicking. 442 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: So fifty wins in the regular season, you guys going 443 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: to the playoffs and you get the Suns. Steve Nashamari 444 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: Jason Richardson. If you look at the stats, this is 445 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: kind of the Jason Richardson series. He averages like twenty 446 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: five game shoots it at over fifty percent from three. Uh, 447 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 1: what do you remember today from that series? 448 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 2: Man? That series? Man? 449 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 3: I also remember Brandon Roy, you know, fighting, it was 450 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 3: pretty much the whole year, and then Nate threw him 451 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 3: in there. I think when it was like a close 452 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 3: out game, I believe, I'm not sure, but you know 453 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 3: that was a that was a team that was transitioning. 454 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 3: That's the Mike D'Antoni era. I think Steve Nash was 455 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 3: MVP two years in a row around that time. 456 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 2: I'm not sure, yep. 457 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 3: But the way they played was the way teams play now. 458 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 3: You know, Steve Nash and Mary Stodamar and then you 459 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 3: surround the three with Jason Richardson, Dudley Grant Hill. I 460 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 3: think Barbosa was on that team possibly, I don't know 461 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 3: if it was Barbosa Gordon Drogic. I mean that they 462 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 3: were shooting at three at such a high clip that 463 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 3: you know you had to worry about. You know, Nash 464 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 3: and Stodam are, but you know that series was one 465 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 3: at the three point line, and you know they shot 466 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 3: the ball a lot more than us, and you know 467 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 3: we played methodical basketball, but the game was just so 468 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 3: up tempo. You know, it was it was tough for 469 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 3: us to just you know, playing against you know, Hall 470 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 3: of famers like that. 471 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: You surprised that, like a Mike D'Antoni team led team 472 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: has never made the finals, and you think there's a 473 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: reason for that, or you think it's just kind of 474 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: the grind of the postseason. Bounces go in certain ways. 475 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 3: I think Mike that Mike D'Antoni is probably one of 476 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 3: the greatest genius genius is ever to come through the 477 00:23:58,720 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 3: NBA as. 478 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 2: Far as his out of basketball. 479 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 3: You know, and I'm not gonna say that, you know, 480 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 3: his style can't win a championship. 481 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 2: You gotta look at the teams that he was playing against. 482 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. You gotta stack San Antonio 483 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 2: Spurs was always good. 484 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 3: Then on East Coast you got Miami, you got you know, 485 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 3: it was great teams everywhere. So it's just you know, 486 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,360 Speaker 3: a time in the era where you know, you got 487 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 3: the Lakers, you got the Sons, you got you know, 488 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 3: the Spurs, you got Denver. 489 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 2: You know, like, it's hard to win. 490 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 3: You know, when you're playing against teams that that's having 491 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 3: three guys that have three guys that are Hall of famers. 492 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 3: I mean, he wasn't gonna beat San Antonio, you know, 493 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 3: I don't know if they beat the Lakers, you know, 494 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 3: So I. 495 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 2: Mean his system can win. 496 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 3: It's just about, you know, the teams that are in 497 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 3: the conference at that time and what type of players. 498 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 3: So I liked his system and the way he played, 499 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 3: and that's why the teams now are playing the way 500 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 3: he are now because of the way he plays. 501 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: Is that a coach that you wish you you could 502 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: have got the chance to play from for and run 503 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: that offense? 504 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 3: Well, I think all the coaches are pretty much similar. 505 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 3: It's just about how they deal with the egos and 506 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 3: personalities of the players. I think the one thing that 507 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 3: made d'An Tony different was his style, and he encouraged 508 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 3: the guys and gave them freedom. You know, there wasn't 509 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 3: any repercussions for those guys jacking up thirty five forty 510 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 3: three pointers, you know, and that's the way you know 511 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 3: back then, like okay, you know this, three pointers not 512 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 3: a good shot unless you're wide open. 513 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 2: Now there's no repercussion. 514 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 3: So you know, maybe I could have played for him, 515 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 3: because you know, then then maybe my stats had been 516 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 3: hired or far far from shooting from three and just 517 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 3: being able to create, you know, a lot more and 518 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 3: do a lot more on my shoulders playing for a 519 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 3: coach like him, So it would have probably been cool 520 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 3: to play for him because of the freedom. 521 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: You think we would have seen a little bit more 522 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: fifty balls from you if I didn't mention it. But 523 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: this is the year that you scored fifty two against Dallas, 524 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: your career high, one of one of my favorite fifty 525 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 1: point games. Ever, what do you remember from that game? 526 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: Brandon Roy was out, I think Odin was out. 527 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just you know, it was it was 528 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 2: It was a it was. 529 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 3: A fun time, but it was a stressful time just 530 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 3: because those guys being injured. 531 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 2: You know, the responsibilities on. 532 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 3: My shoulder as a veteran, and it was just something 533 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 3: that I put on myself. But you know, that was 534 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 3: just a game where you know, it just it just 535 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 3: flowed that way. It just flowed that way. I didn't 536 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 3: go looking to say, Okay, I'm gonna go try to 537 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 3: score these amount of points. 538 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 2: That's just the way the game developed. The one thing 539 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 2: that I liked it it. 540 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 3: Was against a veteran team, and it was against a 541 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 3: team that won the championship. So you know, at that time, 542 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 3: I think Dallas was, you know, number one, number two 543 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 3: ranked defense in the league. 544 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: They got Jason Kidd. 545 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 3: Too, Jason Terry Barrera, Sean Marion, Stevenson, Tyson Chandler. I 546 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 3: mean that team was stacked, so you know, to be 547 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 3: able to do it on their court against you know, shoot, 548 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 3: they might have five six Hall of Famers on that team. 549 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 3: I don't know, but you know it was definitely a 550 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 3: good feeling. 551 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 1: No doubt. So you guys lose to Phoenix in six 552 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: and then sort of just talk about quickly the next year, 553 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 1: you guys have a similar season forty eight wins. I 554 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: think you guys lose to Dallas in the first round 555 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: again in six, then you're traded to Denver. How did 556 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: that all just shake out? You know, the next year 557 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: in Portland and then and then you're getting traded, man, 558 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 1: I mean. 559 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 3: I think my whole career, I mean, in every NBA 560 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 3: player will tell you that, you know, it goes by 561 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 3: so fast and you wish certain things didn't happen. And 562 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 3: you know, know the initial trade early on for me 563 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 3: going from Cleveland to the Clippers, I never wanted that trade, 564 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 3: but it was I mean that trade had to happen 565 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,679 Speaker 3: for the Cleveland Cavaliers to get Lebron and then you know, 566 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 3: the actual you know trade that kind of hit me 567 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 3: was you know, we had a great team in Denver 568 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 3: and then I'm the first to get trade, Like you know, 569 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 3: I kind of took it personal. But then you know, 570 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 3: I wanted to be there, and you know, things happened 571 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,400 Speaker 3: for a reason, and you know, I found my way 572 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 3: back to Denver and you know, with a younger group 573 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 3: and I have fun. You know, George Carr gave me 574 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 3: the opportunity to you know, just kind of do things 575 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 3: and float things with the team on my own and 576 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 3: be creative, and we kind of fed off of each other, 577 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 3: you know, so I was pretty much that was probably 578 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 3: like you know, more of an extension of the coach. 579 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 3: Probably the best situation for me as far as really 580 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 3: being an extension of the coach and him let me 581 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 3: allow me to do things and make the visions for 582 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 3: myself and the players. 583 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 2: Hm. 584 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: Well, I mean it all resulted in one of the 585 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: most story careers that we've seen at the point guard position. 586 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: With all of your your your years of experience and knowledge, 587 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: I do have to ask you a few questions, Just 588 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: go quick hitters. Who are the guys you know that 589 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: came before you. If you could name maybe three or 590 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: four at the point guard position that you studied as 591 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: you were growing up that that you tried to take 592 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: pieces of their game put into yours. 593 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 3: Man, of course, I watched Magic Johnson just because I'm 594 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 3: an LA kid and it was Showtime era. 595 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 2: Just the way he passed. 596 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 3: And and and made the game fun for his teammates. 597 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 3: I think his teammates enjoyed playing with him, So I 598 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 3: watched him. 599 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 2: A lot growing up. I watched Gary Payton. You know, 600 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 2: I got a chance to play against Gary Payton too, 601 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 2: And you know, I tried to take something not just 602 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 2: from the point guards, but I would watch I would 603 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 2: watch Kevin McHale, I would watch James, I would watch 604 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 2: Mark Jackson. You know, I just tried to take something 605 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 2: from every player, not just I mean just. 606 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 3: Watching TV and watching how they post up or how 607 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 3: they pass. And I just kind of applied that to 608 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 3: my game. And and my thing was going into the NBA. 609 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 3: I knew, I knew I could score the ball, but 610 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 3: that you know, the NBA is a game of uh 611 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 3: with guys that are are professional guys that do something great. 612 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 3: They all do something great either a great shooter, a 613 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 3: great rebounder, a great defender, a great passer. 614 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 2: So I wanted to be a. 615 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 3: You know, I know I could score, everybody could score, 616 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 3: but I wanted to stand out a different way as 617 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 3: far as let me be the best passer, uh and 618 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 3: lead by example and be available at all times to 619 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 3: the point where you know guys that say, you know what, 620 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 3: I want to play with Miller. I want to play 621 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 3: with Miller. You know he gonna pass me the ball. 622 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 3: You know, he gonna help me get in a position 623 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 3: to get a nice contract or something like that. So 624 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 3: that's that's what I kind of prided myself on through 625 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 3: my NBA career. So I watched I watched all those guys, 626 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 3: Isaiah Thomas, John Stockton. You know, I learned a lot 627 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 3: from John Stockton just by being in Utah and being 628 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 3: that close yep to the jazz and being able to. 629 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 2: Play pickup balls in the summer and see how they 630 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 2: carry themselves. 631 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 3: So you know, it just wasn't just one person was 632 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 3: It was a group of people that just stood out 633 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 3: that helped me develop into an NBA player. 634 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: You mentioned being available. You played I think twelve or 635 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: thirteen seasons where you played all eighty two. Was there 636 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: any behind, like, obviously you're taking care of your body, 637 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: any secrets to the trade of keeping yourself available or 638 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: is it just playing through injuries staying tough? And then 639 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: what do you think of today with all the load 640 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: management and eighty two game seasons being almost non existent? 641 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 3: Well, I think, you know, for me, it was a 642 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 3: pride thing and wanting to be on the court and 643 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 3: not wanting to fall out of favor with management or 644 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 3: a coach. 645 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 2: It was just it was just my makeup. You know. 646 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 3: I enjoy playing basketball, I enjoy competing. You know, I 647 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 3: didn't worry about the stats, you know, and you know, 648 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 3: if I did do load management, I probably would have 649 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 3: instead of averaging twelve, thirteen, fourteen points a game, I'd 650 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 3: probably be averaging eighteen nineteen points a game if I 651 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 3: had load management. And but my thing was it wasn't 652 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 3: about stats. It was about you know, this is a 653 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 3: dream come true for a lot of these guys. You know, 654 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 3: you grew up, you're watching TV, watching people you look 655 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 3: up to it, You play the sport and then you 656 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 3: get there and I'm like, you know, hey, I've realized 657 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 3: my dream. I'm gonna get I'm gonna get over one 658 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 3: hundred percent out of my body. I'm gonna do whatever 659 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 3: it takes to get the most out of my body. 660 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 3: And I want to play against the greatest players ever. 661 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 3: So I wasn't gonna take any nights off. And that's 662 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 3: the issue that I have with a lot of the 663 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 3: players today. You know, you have these dreams. You know, 664 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 3: the Ben Simmons of the world read. 665 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 2: And if you look across the NBA board, I think 666 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 2: probably over fifty percent of players probably only played like 667 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 2: sixty four sixty five games, and then you know, they 668 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 2: do that and then they go ask for a lot 669 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 2: of money. 670 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 3: It's great to get all that get all that money, 671 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 3: but you got to be able to back it up 672 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 3: and be selfless and be a available for your team. 673 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 2: So that's something I took pride in, you know. 674 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 3: And the thing is, when I walked away from the game, 675 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 3: it was on my own terms because I felt like 676 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 3: I got the most out of my body, I got 677 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 3: the most out of my skills, and I did everything 678 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 3: that I wanted to do while in the NBA, except 679 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 3: when the championship would make an All Star team. 680 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 2: But I you know, my thing was being. 681 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 3: Around guys and helping guys get nice contracts, you know, 682 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 3: passing the ball and. 683 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 2: Have fun playing basketball. 684 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 3: Being a kid out there and not letting the business 685 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 3: of basketball, you know, ruin your passion for the sports. 686 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 2: So that's why I was so committed to the game. Respect. 687 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: One last one before we get out, get you out 688 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: of here. I want to hear in your opinion, not 689 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 1: the top point guards of all time, but the if 690 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: you can give me four or five floor generals that 691 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 1: you look at the history of basketball you think are 692 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: are the cream of the crop. 693 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 3: Man, Magic Johnson, Isaiah Thomas, John Stockton, Jason Kidd, Gary. 694 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 2: Payton, those guys. And I didn't. I didn't. 695 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 3: I wasn't able to see the Oscar Robinsons, you know 696 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 3: what I'm saying. 697 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 2: You know, but I'm sure he was a great leader. 698 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 3: But these are the guys that that I saw in 699 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 3: my era, the youngest being Jason Kidd. 700 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 2: Probably that that group. And I put Chris Paul in there. 701 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 3: You know, the things that he's accomplished, you know, in 702 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 3: his career for that size, you know, he's up there 703 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 3: those guys are great leaders, great floor generals. 704 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 2: They led by example and their feel, their feel and 705 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 2: understanding for the game. 706 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 3: And it's a lot more other guys, and some of 707 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 3: them are not even point guards. Their feel for the 708 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:20,800 Speaker 3: game and understanding of the games on such a level, 709 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 3: it's like like like having a PhD in basketball or 710 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 3: something like that, you know what I'm saying. If if 711 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 3: I had to give that analogy, I love it, you know, 712 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 3: to to academics. These guys are professionals in their and 713 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 3: their crafts, and you know, they're they're people that you 714 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,280 Speaker 3: want to be around, people that you want to listen 715 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 3: to and and and soak up as much as you can. 716 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,280 Speaker 2: And that's what I admire about those type of talents. 717 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,720 Speaker 3: They're selfless people and they want to help people around 718 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 3: them get better. And that's what I admired about those 719 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 3: those those type guys. 720 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 1: I love that PhDs in basketball. I'm gonna steal that 721 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 1: and credit you. And then just lastly, I mean, you 722 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,720 Speaker 1: know you've been been away from from the NBA for 723 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,240 Speaker 1: what is it six six years now? Any any thoughts 724 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: or plans on if and when maybe you want to 725 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 1: put yourself back, you know, into that league, or you 726 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: just just just chilling away from it. 727 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 2: I don't know. 728 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, I'm a given person. I've 729 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,799 Speaker 3: been sitting down and I watched the sport, you know, 730 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 3: every night, I'm watching college basketball, NBA basketball, So I'm 731 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 3: still a student of the game, and I'm watching how 732 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 3: the game evolves and where I could possibly find my 733 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 3: niche you know, you know, six years, six years and 734 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 3: two of those years of COVID, you know, and it 735 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 3: was a chance for me to recover, you know, recover 736 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 3: and feel like, you know, my body was so beat 737 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 3: up that I didn't even know it was beat up up, 738 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 3: you know, because I was used to the lifestyle and 739 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 3: the grind. But you know, those things, you know, catch 740 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 3: up with you when you start to get older. So 741 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 3: it's just you know, recovering mentally physically. But I do 742 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 3: feel that, you know, I can provide some knowledge and 743 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,760 Speaker 3: and and help with the game, whether on the NBA 744 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 3: level or on the college level. I think more probably 745 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 3: on the college level and high school level, because the 746 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 3: kids are losing, uh the the knowledge of the game 747 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,799 Speaker 3: and how to play basketball the right way. So I 748 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 3: think I think I would be fit possibly on the 749 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 3: college level, just to teach the game, teach the game 750 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 3: and and have that time to spend you know, the 751 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 3: professional The professional game is in good hands. The NBA 752 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 3: is in good hands with the amount of knowledge and 753 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 3: people around the league. I think there needs to be 754 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,840 Speaker 3: more players coaching on the college level, retired players teaching 755 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 3: the game, teaching the game the right way rather than 756 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,800 Speaker 3: you know is just you know, taking it for granted. 757 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 3: So that's where I see myself that hopefully in the 758 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 3: next few years. 759 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: Well, I think any team would be lucky to have 760 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 1: you as a mind and a voice inside that organization. 761 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 1: So look forward to seeing where how things shake out 762 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,880 Speaker 1: and where you end up. Again, thank you for your 763 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:29,279 Speaker 1: time today. Twenty ten Blazers interesting, interesting time period in 764 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: Blazers history. I think some unfortunate turns would have been 765 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 1: great to see what would have come out of it 766 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 1: if their big guns would have stayed healthy and maybe 767 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 1: you could have stayed there along that ride. But just 768 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,399 Speaker 1: thank you for your time, man, I really appreciate it. 769 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 2: Thank you, Thanks for having me, Thanks. 770 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 1: For having me, Thank you guys for tapping in this week. 771 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,840 Speaker 1: We will be back next week. Got a big guest coming. 772 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,279 Speaker 1: Definitely keep your eyes out for that. Drop a rating 773 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 1: into review and i'll see you next week. Piece