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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress, Friends

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Speaker 1: Whipsmarty's fellow lovers of excellent television. We are joined today

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Speaker 1: by a woman who I just adore, look up to,

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Speaker 1: and who I can't wait to have in front of

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Speaker 1: me for a whole hour so I can pepper her

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Speaker 1: with questions. Today's guest is Bellamy Young, who you probably

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Speaker 1: love as I do from her role playing Melody Mellie

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Speaker 1: Grant in ABC's hit series Scandal. Yes, she won the

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Speaker 1: Critics Choice Award. Yes, she's gone on to star on

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Speaker 1: other series. Yes, she is a singing and acting legend,

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Speaker 1: a theater baby, and a brilliant, brilliant, heart forward woman

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Speaker 1: who is an author and now a podcast host. She's

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Speaker 1: also just one of the loveliest people I have ever met,

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Speaker 1: and I can't wait to sit with her today and

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Speaker 1: talk about how she balances all these things, her career,

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Speaker 1: her fascination in the world, and her work as an

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Speaker 1: ambassador with Care. Care is the world's leading humanitarian organization

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Speaker 1: that is dedicated to saving lives and defeating poverty around

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Speaker 1: the world. And the work that Bellamy has done with Care,

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Speaker 1: the women that she's met, the change she has seen

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Speaker 1: made in conversations from Honduras to Jordan, to Nepal, to Tanzania,

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Speaker 1: to Ukraine to Vietnam to name a few, inspired her

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Speaker 1: to make sure the stories that touched her in her

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Speaker 1: work could touch the rest of us. So, in partnership

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Speaker 1: with Care, she has launched an incredible new limited podcast

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Speaker 1: series called she Leads with Care, and she will take

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Speaker 1: all of us around the world to have inspiring conversations

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Speaker 1: with women leaders that are changing this planet for the better.

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Speaker 1: I am absolutely thrilled that she's here, and I can't

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Speaker 1: wait to ask her about all of her favorite shows

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Speaker 1: and about the life saving work that she gets to

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Speaker 1: champion every day. Let's hear from Bellamy Young. How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm so good? How are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm great. I'm so excited you're here.

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Speaker 2: I'm so happy to be here. Thanks so much.

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Speaker 1: Well, I have so many questions for you. I mean,

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Speaker 1: first and foremost, I suppose I should say, my president,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast. What I would give Bellamy?

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Speaker 2: I have to laugh because we can't cry.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what I would give? It would be so nice.

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Speaker 1: But I guess we persist.

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Speaker 2: We persist, That's all we can do.

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Speaker 1: I have like I said a million questions for you

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Speaker 1: about what you're up to and your work and all

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Speaker 1: these things. But before we dive into any of that,

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Speaker 1: I love to kind of go back to catch up,

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Speaker 1: and I want to know about who you were as

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Speaker 1: a kid, because there's so much I know about your life,

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Speaker 1: your career, your advocacy, your activism, your collegiate career. But

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Speaker 1: I wonder if if we could kind of bend space

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Speaker 1: time and we could hang out with Bellamy at nine

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Speaker 1: while we had this chat, would you see do you

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Speaker 1: think you'd see yourself who you are today in her?

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Speaker 2: Oh it's such a beautiful question, isn't it, Because we

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Speaker 2: I mean, when you do work on yourself, you try

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Speaker 2: and bring back little pieces of you that you've strayed

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Speaker 2: from over the years. And so that's definitely been a

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Speaker 2: question I have asked myself before. I don't think when

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Speaker 2: I was nine in nineteen hundred and seventy nine there

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Speaker 2: of any part of this life. Like, I'm such a

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Speaker 2: twentieth century human, so just the twenty first centuriness of

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Speaker 2: it all is continually outside my scope. But I also

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Speaker 2: I do think I thought that freedoms and that sort

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Speaker 2: I think I took that for granted as a nine

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Speaker 2: nine year old Amy, she was honey doing some pageants.

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Speaker 2: Because that's what happened, North Carolina, North Carol. I was adopted.

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Speaker 2: my adopted family thought they found out about my biological

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Speaker 2: my biological dad. I have met them, now, my wonder

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Speaker 2: hmm no, or you know, like so a lot of

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Speaker 2: the path of my life was predicated on a mistake.

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Speaker 2: But you can also call it fate or luck or grace,

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Speaker 2: and I have fought to be able to say that sentence.

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Speaker 2: But I stand firmly planted, two feet rooted into the

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Speaker 1: That's so special. And I think it's really interesting. You know.

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Speaker 1: You said two things that kind of light up for me,

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Speaker 1: that when you work on yourself, you get to collect

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Speaker 1: not lost on me that we all are healing while

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Speaker 1: we do this. Do you think we get into this

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Speaker 2: I think it's yes, and I think it's all of

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Speaker 2: deeply believe souls come in with a mission and there's

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Speaker 2: a heartbreaking, breathtaking randomness for where that soul lands, gender, geography, socioeconomics,

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Speaker 2: you know, like because all the souls they come in

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Speaker 2: this and the largest umbrella, come in on a path

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Speaker 2: of empathy. And sometimes we apply that empathy last to ourselves.

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Speaker 2: You know. We lead with the curiosity. We often are

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Speaker 2: But I do think that the conscious work can begin

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Speaker 2: You know, we kind of like rain down a little

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Speaker 2: and assess our part in it, because we don't. You know,

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Speaker 2: we can't care in everything it's not ours. Is not

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Speaker 2: But we're here for a reason and we can help

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Speaker 2: then I think that's the measure of success.

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Speaker 1: I love that it interests me because you've got such

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Speaker 1: so clear, And yet you went to school for a

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Speaker 1: geeked on how you figured it out. I thought I

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Speaker 2: WHOA wait, were there people in your family that are

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think for me, I always loved science.

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Speaker 1: So I've I've learned to say to my loved ones,

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Speaker 2: a good job, little tiny Sophia. You did right. You

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Speaker 2: chose right. And I loved science always. It was where

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Speaker 2: And with science, I felt that overwhelming smallness and the

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Speaker 2: And you know, we're not all, not all of us.

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Speaker 2: There's not alignment between what we dream and what we

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Speaker 2: And my mom was an English teacher, still like bless

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Speaker 1: you all. And there's just something priceless about that. I

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00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 1: feel the same way with you know, all my castmates

433
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: from my first show from One Tree Hill, Like we

434
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: show up for each other and it it gave me

435
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: the sort of familial experience I'd never had, because you know,

436
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: especially when you start at twenty, like we were babies.

437
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: We were all stupid and you know, adorable, but we

438
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,239
Speaker 1: didn't know you know, our ass from our elbow, And

439
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: it's like when you go through those things together. I

440
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: finally remember saying to a girlfriend of mine, I was like, Oh,

441
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: I get now why my friends with siblings can be

442
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: in a knockdown, drag out family fight for a week

443
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: with their siblings, but if somebody on the playground talks

444
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: about their siblings, they're going to get laid out. And

445
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, I get it. There's a It is

446
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: a really kind of priceless dynamic. And I think, what

447
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: a cool thing for you all to have been able

448
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: to do that, and also probably to have been able

449
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: to do it like a little more from your adulthood.

450
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: You probably had even more fun than we did.

451
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, that's the other thing. We were all

452
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 2: old people already like when we started, so there was

453
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:05,719
Speaker 2: no like everybody had a burgeoning at least sense of self.

454
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 2: So there was less acting out and confusion, and you know,

455
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 2: because La is such a headspinner, much less success. So

456
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 2: we were all pretty grounded about all of that. And

457
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 2: if we were, Carrie instantly grounded, you know, like she

458
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 2: was like, I remember we were season five. They wanted

459
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: us to do Good Morning America to launch the season,

460
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 2: and we were like, eh, that means we have to

461
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: be in here and makeup at one thirty AM. And

462
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 2: Carrie's like, well, I'm going to be here. I think

463
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 2: it's amazing They're gonna promote us season five of a show.

464
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 2: I mean, that's really special. And we were all like,

465
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 2: she's right, she's right, right, She's.

466
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: Like, mom's right, Mom's right. She does She's got such

467
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: a beautiful she has such a spirit of leadership. Everything

468
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: she does. I just absolutely adore her.

469
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 2: The level of thoughtfulness, it's a little boggling, it really is.

470
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 2: And how hard she works to make this world a

471
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 2: better place, you know, through her work, through activism, everything That's.

472
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: What's really interesting is that's how she and I are friends.

473
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 2: I know from you know, the same persons, be much

474
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 2: the same wonderful person here making things better just like

475
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,479
Speaker 2: everything in your mind, body, soul, to like be of

476
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 2: service and love.

477
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: It's been really special to have her sort of you know,

478
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: in my group of political peers, if you will, to

479
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: have somebody who likewise I know, is up at two

480
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: in the morning reading you know, the report on maternal

481
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: wellness and will listen to me, you know, yam or

482
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: about it. It's it's so I think special and I've

483
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: thought a lot about it for all of you. Because

484
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: the world of Scandal was amazing, you guys, as actor

485
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: is the chemistry between people, the writing, I mean, that

486
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: work was amazing and culturally to begin that show when

487
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: when Barack Obama was the president, to take us into

488
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: the first two years of Trump's first term, it's such

489
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: a cultural phenomenon, not just an entertainment phenomenon. Do you

490
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: think now, looking back, do you think we needed to

491
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: be in the time of Obama for Scandal to be possible?

492
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,959
Speaker 1: And do you think it helped people care maybe a

493
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: little bit more about politics because I don't know if

494
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: I don't know as a viewer, if the Resistance would

495
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: have spoken the language so well, so fast had y'all

496
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: not been on the air.

497
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: Oh I hope Seana hears you say that.

498
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: I do.

499
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 2: I think that would. I think she'd be really grateful

500
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 2: that you held that thought in your heart, even for

501
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 2: a moment. You know what she's always told us because

502
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 2: I can't speak to her, you know, process or intentions,

503
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: But what she's always told us is how much she

504
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 2: loved the West Wing and how much she always wanted

505
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 2: to write her West Wing And you're right, come on

506
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 2: and and that you know, her enduring commitment is that

507
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 2: television looked like the world. Yes, so this was she

508
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 2: met Judy Smith, who Scandal is based on, and she thought, oh,

509
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: that's not in and she just all of a sudden

510
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 2: could see She was like, this is my DC story.

511
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 2: But that's also why it was. She knew it had

512
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 2: an ending spot. And I do think we squeaked out

513
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 2: one extra year because of real life circumstances. I don't

514
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: think Mellie would have been president. I think, oh, Jeff,

515
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 2: I think Jeff was supposed to have I think Jeff

516
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,719
Speaker 2: was supposed to have you know, he won, and then

517
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 2: we shot him or soon I can't even remember. I'm

518
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: not even sure, but I know I wasn't and then

519
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 2: I was. And I do think that was I think

520
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 2: she had some things to say from the mouth of

521
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 2: a female president because she had been writing on Hillary's

522
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 2: campaign and so I just think she was ready to

523
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 2: write some speeches that she did not have the opportunity

524
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 2: to write, and so maybe imported herself the right opportunity

525
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: to share some of those ideas.

526
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: I love that, gosh, because I was going to ask,

527
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: when you're doing something so special with people you love

528
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: so much, you don't want it to end.

529
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 2: So we didn't want it to end.

530
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was going to ask, Like, did

531
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: you feel ready to move on? But maybe if I

532
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: guess never, but also if you got an extra year, Yeah,

533
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: that must feel so great.

534
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 2: I think so. And I like, I say, you'll see

535
00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: shot it one day and you'll ask her the truth

536
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 2: of it. But I think that was everybody's feeling. And

537
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 2: I know Josh was like, please, my kid is still

538
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 2: in college, you know, just a couple more years and

539
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 2: we would have stayed together forever. And also we knew

540
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 2: she was right to finish where she knew she wanted

541
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 2: to finish. You know, it's we've all also been on

542
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 2: shows that are still going past maybe where they should

543
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 2: have landed. And I want everybody to have jobs. God knows.

544
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 2: And also it does feel a little more like work

545
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 2: when you're in that phase. So it never fell in

546
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 2: one day. One day on our set never felt like work.

547
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 2: It always felt like joy and curiosity and there was

548
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 2: a story to tell and we were lucky to be

549
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 2: there telling it together.

550
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,720
Speaker 1: You guys all had such great language, and that's something

551
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: I think is true of the West Wing as well.

552
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: Like Aaron Sorkin writes the hell out of a Scene,

553
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: Shonda Rhymes writes the hell out of a scene. Did

554
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: it take getting used to the kind of cadence and

555
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: the politics of it all? Or do you feel like

556
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: you really just found yourself in all of that dialogue

557
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 1: and in all of that verbage? Really?

558
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: No, we all like scandal paste was a real thing,

559
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 2: and we drill, drill, drilled. Like I say, we're like

560
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 2: theater babies, so we're having to run lines and like

561
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 2: just you just get it till it's so in your

562
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 2: marrow that you can, you know, a walk and talk

563
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 2: is like impossible, but like walk down those halls and

564
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 2: hit it hard, speeding like Tabasco style, and then like

565
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,760
Speaker 2: you know, not mess up the steady cam guy. It took.

566
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: It was quite intentional, and I think they found it.

567
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 2: I can't speak to that. Katie Lows will be able

568
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 2: to speak to that. I feel like they found it

569
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 2: in Katie's audition really just because Katie's a natural fast talker,

570
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 2: and it just it was always great writing, but with

571
00:35:55,200 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 2: the speed, it just lived, it just sang and and

572
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 2: are you know it was so hard for guest stars.

573
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 2: It's so hard to step into that and meet that pace.

574
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 2: And I always, you know, we were a loving embrace

575
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 2: for anyone that joined us, but the pace was a

576
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 2: bit of a sissaphi and hurdle that we loved it.

577
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 2: And having Shonda in my brain, I mean, I am

578
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 2: a lord, I am a bear of I am self

579
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 2: doubting little bear constantly, and having Shanda's sort of Shanda's

580
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 2: idea of Mellie like my way or the Highway seventeen

581
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 2: hours a day, five days a week, was personally radically transformative.

582
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: Just the act as f of it all. Oh yeah,

583
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 2: some people live in this life a whole different way

584
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 2: than I am, you know.

585
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then she.

586
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 2: Give us these little perfect one act plays like me

587
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: and Tony and Jeffy are just Oh, it was just

588
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 2: the most satisfying creative experience my stars.

589
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's just so cool. It's so cool.

590
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: If you had the chance to do some sort of

591
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: a reunion, like a reboot or a movie or something,

592
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: would you just jump.

593
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: We'd all get on a plane tonight. I thought there's

594
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 2: nobody that would be like, I don't know. I mean,

595
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 2: we'd have to carry's busy, we'd have to work around

596
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 2: our schedule. But I think she'd do it too. Yeah,

597
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 2: there's so much love and yeah, yeah in an.

598
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: Instant, Oh, I love that so much. Now, when right

599
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: around when the show was ending, you started working with

600
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: care right that was all twenty eighteen?

601
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I started in twenty eighteen exactly.

602
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: And was that an organization you met through the political

603
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: world kind of overlap of scandal or did that happen

604
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 1: in a completely different way.

605
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,240
Speaker 2: My dear friend Renee Jones that I know through Uta

606
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 2: is who drew them into my life and me into theirs.

607
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 2: And I was so grateful because of course we all

608
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,479
Speaker 2: know care care is the care package. You know, it's

609
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,439
Speaker 2: eighty years old because right after the Second World War,

610
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 2: humans in America realized that humans in Europe might need

611
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 2: things because they've been bombed and gone through a war

612
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,720
Speaker 2: and or impoverished and in need, and so they would

613
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 2: make these care packages and send them to Europe and

614
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 2: it made such an impact and everybody, you've gotten a

615
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 2: care package right in your life or send them, and

616
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 2: you know how loved you feel. And from that this

617
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 2: incredible organization group from that little acorn, and there's still

618
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 2: that bespoke, thoughtful intentional organization. They go into local areas

619
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: and they ask what the need is, and then they

620
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,919
Speaker 2: hire from the local area. They hire folks and help

621
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: create infrastructure that allows those folks to create lasting, transformational,

622
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: intergenerational change for themselves. And cares Gooal is like teach

623
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 2: a man to fish. We don't want to be there forever,

624
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 2: and we don't want you know, we aren't just like

625
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 2: giving you aid in a way that we think you need.

626
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 2: It's very thoughtful, intentional, local based, and they plan for

627
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 2: their own obsolescence so that change can continue to happen

628
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 2: and I loved that they you know, they have the

629
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 2: data right like the Sun says, if you lift up

630
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 2: women and girls, they bring their families and their communities

631
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 2: with them. So that's how they focus their work is

632
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 2: in partnership with women and girls, giving them, you know,

633
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 2: safe spaces to learn and to get healthcare and to

634
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 2: have market access. And it's just been transformational, truly transformational,

635
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 2: but still born out of that just humans knowing that

636
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 2: we're all connected, wanting to help other humans.

637
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: It changes everything, It.

638
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: Surely does, like the tiniest thing, the tiniest thing I

639
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 2: think about. Actually, the episodes just came out today. Lillian

640
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 2: who works in the Care Office of Tantania. She's the

641
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 2: only care officer we talked to. We should talk to

642
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 2: care program participants, but she was saying she's done over

643
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 2: seven hundred Village Savings and Loans vslas and helped over

644
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: ten thousand people changed their lives. So she told this

645
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 2: story about going into this village and saying, you know,

646
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 2: what do you need what would help you the most?

647
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Speaker 2: And they're like, well, this or that and the other

648
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Speaker 2: thing that they're like. She was like, no, no, you

649
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Speaker 2: what do you need? What do you need? In your life,

650
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Speaker 2: that would make your life better. And the women thought

651
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 2: and they said, oh, well, it'd be so good if

652
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Speaker 2: we didn't have to take our kids to the fields

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Speaker 2: with us to harvest, because it's like very hard to

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Speaker 2: manage our children and get the crops. And she said,

655
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Speaker 2: oh great, so let's make a daycare. And the village

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Speaker 2: Vsla made a daycare and started with just twenty one

657
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Speaker 2: kids from the people who were doing the harvesting. And

658
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Speaker 2: this year, this is maybe four years later, and they're

659
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Speaker 2: doing a brick and mortar school for ninety three students

660
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Speaker 2: and it's transformed everything. Of course, it's also return on

661
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Speaker 2: the investment of the women's money, of course, but it

662
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Speaker 2: allows them just to breathe a little, to go to

663
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Speaker 2: work and do well at their job, and their kids

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Speaker 2: have a good meal and have some education and transformational

665
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Speaker 2: change that just takes somebody saying what do you need?

666
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Speaker 2: How can I help?

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Speaker 1: And now a word from our wonderful sponsors. You're talking

668
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Speaker 1: about my exact favorite kind of thing, which is when

669
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Speaker 1: the math and the morals meet, because so many people

670
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: think that you can do well or you can do

671
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: good for the world, and that is like a complete lie.

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00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: Usually set in motion by the powers that be who

673
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: want to hoard wealth and not share with people, and

674
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: programs like the ones you're talking about. When you invest

675
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Speaker 1: in a community that some might call underdeveloped or whatever

676
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: you're adjective, sometimes all people need is a jumpstart. It's

677
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: not that different to certain states in our country getting

678
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Speaker 1: huge economic boosters with the infrastructure build that President Biden

679
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Speaker 1: and Vice President Harris passed. When you get an infrastructure

680
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: project and you're going to reinforce and upgrade every bridge

681
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,240
Speaker 1: in a community like I don't know, Pittsburgh famous for bridges,

682
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: not only does that make your roads safer, but everybody

683
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: in town who works construction, steel car rentals trucking you

684
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Speaker 1: down the line to the sandwich shops at the ends

685
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: of the bridges. Everybody's making more money. And so sometimes

686
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: all you need is you need the wind in the

687
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: pinwheel to get it going, and then it keeps going.

688
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: And so it's why I think organizations like care are

689
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: so special because exactly what you said, they're not coming

690
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: in saying we're here to help and we know what's best,

691
00:42:58,120 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: and now we're going to build an office here and

692
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: work going to have employees. They're saying we're going to

693
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: come help you get started, and the pinwheels yours and

694
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: that's the way we heal. I think, not just neighborhoods

695
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: and municipalities, but the planet. And it's why I think

696
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: it's so cool that you're using your platform not just

697
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,919
Speaker 1: to work with them, but this story you're talking about

698
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 1: when you said the episode for our friends at home.

699
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Speaker 1: Bellamy launched a podcast called she Leads with Care, and

700
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Speaker 1: it's so inspiring to hear these stories of these incredible

701
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: you know, volunteers, helpers, organizers. I've listened to some of

702
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: this and gon, oh, that's a really good thing to

703
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: take to our local food bank or I want to

704
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: send this to three of my friends who really care

705
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: about maternal wellness and have them listen to this because

706
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: it feels relevant to what we're working on, you know,

707
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: with mom that are fire victims in LA and like

708
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Speaker 1: it's it's such a lovely place to sit and be inspired.

709
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Speaker 1: So thank you for doing this, not just because the

710
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: world needs it, but like selfishly, I really needed it.

711
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Speaker 1: I've been so sad and stressed out.

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Speaker 2: No, that's why I did it. It came during COVID.

713
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 2: I was so alone and depressed and feeling so unconnected

714
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Speaker 2: to the world, and I kept looking for stories of

715
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 2: hope and connection, and I kept coming back to these

716
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: care stories. Yes, I I thought, oh, if I need this,

717
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 2: why are we not sharing these women's stories with the world.

718
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 2: And it's not mine to tell you got to let

719
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Speaker 2: them tell their story, you know, I mean, it's there's

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Speaker 2: no substitute for a lived experience. And I don't never

721
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 2: want to put words in anybody's mouth. So we just

722
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 2: set up, set out to try and and it turned

723
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Speaker 2: to be you know, we're novices. You're so good at this,

724
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: but we were. We had a long learning curve with

725
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Speaker 2: doing a podcast in multiple languages all around the world,

726
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 2: shipping by you know, getting women to you know, four

727
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: hours where there where there might be Wi Fi and

728
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 2: from really rural locations, and translating and you know, doing voiceover.

729
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Speaker 2: You know that's appropriate to the region and to the

730
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Speaker 2: woman because you want her life, her life force to stay.

731
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Speaker 2: But it just meant everything to me. And this year

732
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 2: was an especially hard year. Last year in particular, and

733
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Speaker 2: in so many ways personally and in the world. And

734
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Speaker 2: every time I would sit down to have a conversation,

735
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 2: I would I would cry like more time I was

736
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 2: during the conversation, just out of gratitude and awe and

737
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 2: the humble enormity of first of all, again going back

738
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Speaker 2: to the twentieth twenty first century living. That I can

739
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Speaker 2: have a conversation with somebody in Nepal and you know,

740
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: ask them about to tell me about their lived experience

741
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:59,439
Speaker 2: is a miracle. It's magical. It's so cool. And then

742
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 2: to like learn about all these things and to be

743
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 2: reminded also of the grace and gifts that we have.

744
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Speaker 2: I particularly think about village savings and loans. Like you're saying,

745
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 2: we still in the world so many places women don't

746
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Speaker 2: have access to financial freedom. I know in America it

747
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 2: was what nineteen seventy four when women could get a

748
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Speaker 2: bank account, and there is in my lifetime. I was

749
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Speaker 2: born in nineteen hundred and seventy. I spent since my

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00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 2: lifetime that a woman could get alone and could get

751
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Speaker 2: a bank account and that kind of thing in America.

752
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 2: So that still doesn't happen in the rest of the world.

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Speaker 2: So allowing people not even investing in people, allowing women

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Speaker 2: to invest in themselves so much.

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Speaker 1: I know it was nineteen seventy four, I believe was

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Speaker 1: a bank account, and then I can't recall. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to look and I'll follow up with you. It was

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Speaker 1: like nineteen eighty three or nineteen eighty eight for a business.

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Speaker 2: Loan, business loan. You're right, that's true.

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Speaker 1: What what? And to your point, you know, we use

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Speaker 1: that data that ninety percent reinvestment around the world. It's

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Speaker 1: a it's a stat that we use, you know, in

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Speaker 1: philanthropy and social change to talk about building a better

764
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Speaker 1: global economy. And it's often ascribed to, you know, the

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Speaker 1: developing world. Whatever that you know means depending on who's

766
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Speaker 1: using the term. And women reinvest ninety percent of what

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Speaker 1: you invest in them into their children and into their

768
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Speaker 1: community and into their families. And with men, they invest

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Speaker 1: ninety percent in themselves. So the ROI on us is major.

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Speaker 1: And now when you look at America, women are the

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Speaker 1: single largest creators of small businesses in the country and

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Speaker 1: among women, yes, among women women of color or leading.

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Speaker 1: And so the way I think about it when I

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Speaker 1: put on you know, my financial hat, my investor hat,

775
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 1: is if fifty one percent of the population has historically

776
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:11,479
Speaker 1: been under resourced, we've been underserved yep, which means we're

777
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: missing out on profits. Fifty one percent of the population

778
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: could be generating. And if women of color in particular

779
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 1: have experienced so much more withholding, they get underfunded at

780
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Speaker 1: so much a greater rate than even you or I

781
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: would imagine how much unmade profit is sitting in those

782
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Speaker 1: sectors of our country. So I get really excited when

783
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,280
Speaker 1: we start to be able to prove these metrics because

784
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Speaker 1: all it means is that everybody does.

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00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 2: Better, everybody wins these And it's not wins, it's it's opportunities,

786
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Speaker 2: it's cultural growth, it's social change, it's.

787
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Speaker 1: The GDP of a country. Yeah, it's all of it.

788
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Speaker 1: And it goes back to what we were talking about

789
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Speaker 1: about sets. What you guys, what you can identify and

790
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: name that you had on the set of Scandal because

791
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: women were in seats of power, benefited the men also.

792
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Speaker 1: And I will never forget one of the most impactful

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Speaker 1: days of my whole career full circle moment, playing a

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Speaker 1: cardiothoracic surgeon on a TV show.

795
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Speaker 2: My mom was like, she finally did it.

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Speaker 1: My wonderful head of props lovely man named Jordan, local

797
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: Toronto guy, one of my favorite humans I've ever worked with.

798
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:34,760
Speaker 1: Sidled up to me one day and I'd been meeting

799
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Speaker 1: with our camera department to go over something, and he said,

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Speaker 1: you know, I really love coming to work here. And

801
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: I was like, Jordan. I was like, dude, we love you.

802
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: And he goes, he goes, I love you, man. And

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Speaker 1: I always feel really special when my guy friends call me.

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Speaker 2: Man.

805
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I made it in and he goes, yeah,

806
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: he goes, I love you, man. He goes, But it's

807
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: bigger than that. He said, you and Katie, because our

808
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: showrunner was a wonderful woman named Katie Wesh. She said,

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Speaker 1: you've made this place so nice and it's really nice

810
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Speaker 1: for me too, And like, I'm a single white guy

811
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Speaker 1: with inexpendable income and I'm having a nicer time than

812
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Speaker 1: I normally do. And I was like, that's it, Like

813
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: that's it. Everybody's happier because somebody thought about childcare. Everybody's

814
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: doing better because somebody thought about lived experiences of everyone

815
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Speaker 1: in the room, so everyone's quality of life got better.

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Speaker 2: I think about you think on the first trip I

817
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 2: went for a care I went to Rwanda in twenty

818
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Speaker 2: nineteen and I met this woman named Bridget who was

819
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Speaker 2: a VSLA participant. She'd saved up just like well we

820
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,879
Speaker 2: think of as pennies from what her husband would give

821
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 2: her to get groceries or to get soap or whatever.

822
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Speaker 2: And it took about a year to save up enough

823
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Speaker 2: to invest in herself and join a VSLA, and another

824
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Speaker 2: year till it came time for them to invest in her.

825
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Speaker 2: And they're like, what's your dream? You know what, what

826
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 2: do you need to take out of the fund? And

827
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Speaker 2: she wanted five chickens and they got She got the

828
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Speaker 2: five chickens and you know, paid back her investment and

829
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Speaker 2: all that sort of thing. I met her almost six

830
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 2: years later. Honey, she had a thousand chickens, She had

831
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Speaker 2: two farms. She employed three men that she gave the community.

832
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 2: She got eight hundred and fifty eggs a day. So

833
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 2: the nutrition in the community, which had usually subsisted on

834
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 2: cassava and cassava based products, God had soared through the room.

835
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Speaker 2: But what one of the things that made her happiest

836
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Speaker 2: is that her marriage was better. It was so much

837
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 2: happier and kinder in her house because there was equality,

838
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 2: less fear less status. And I just think about that

839
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 2: when we're all allowed to participate with our whole heart.

840
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,399
Speaker 2: We're all allowed to give all that we have to give.

841
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 2: Then everything calms down, yeah, and everything is everything can

842
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:56,280
Speaker 2: reach its highest potential.

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00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: Well, and what that is is it's the opposite of scarcity.

844
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 2: And whether there's scarcity or not, scarcity mindset even, that's it.

845
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: But this idea that you know, pre nineteen seventy four,

846
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Speaker 1: god forbid, you had a bank account, what are you

847
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 1: going to do with it? You're not looking to use

848
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: it as a bully club. You just want to build something.

849
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: And so I think the US and them thing is

850
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: so toxic because what it actually does is it just

851
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: puts everyone in the scarcity mindset. It puts everyone in

852
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: the competitive experience in their own house, like your friend Bridget.

853
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: And then you flip it. Everybody grows, Everybody does better.

854
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: Incomes get bigger and more stable, education gets bigger and

855
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: more stable, nutrition in community gets bigger, expanded, more stable,

856
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: and everybody's just doing better. And her husband didn't lose

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00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: anything because she succeeded. They both won. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: the two of them, the one plus one became three, yeah,

859
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: instead of one and one fighting over one.

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Speaker 2: And I think that.

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Speaker 1: Is that's a universal story, and that's part of why

862
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Speaker 1: I think your your podcast, like everybody you're interviewing around

863
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: the world, is in a unique place with a unique experience,

864
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: but the core of the story is so universal. And

865
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 1: when I'm you know, sitting here pouring over the articles

866
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: and panicking about you know, what's going to happen to

867
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: all the kids that are about to lose access to

868
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: education with no Department of ED, Podcasts like yours are

869
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,479
Speaker 1: really fortifying for me. So thank you so much.

870
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Speaker 2: It did land at an unexpected time. We were worried

871
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 2: no one would be interested in these stories. Now they're everything,

872
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 2: because you need to know what it means to help

873
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 2: one another, what it means to care, what's possible when

874
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 2: we care?

875
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: Just let yeah, And I think to be reminded that

876
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: you can build against all odds, and so no matter

877
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: what is taken a part here, we have us and

878
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: that I think is so meaningful. Does it ever overwhelm

879
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: you or does it feel more exciting that so much

880
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: of this platform that you've built is so clearly positive.

881
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 1: Is it weird to think like I was a kid

882
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: who grew up and wanted to sing and maybe study science,

883
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: and now I'm like, out here is this you know,

884
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: positive influence for social change and activism and advocacy. Is

885
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 1: it crazy a little bit? Or does it just feel right?

886
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess I haven't stepped back and

887
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 2: look at it now. I'm like, oh no, I don't know.

888
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 2: I think when I engage in socials it is often

889
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 2: with trepidation because I'm always afraid of going to see

890
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 2: something that crushes me.

891
00:54:58,360 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: Because people are so mean.

892
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's really like it. It takes Yeah, it

893
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 2: takes a lot. I have. I have fear around it,

894
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 2: so I never want to be a part of contributing

895
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 2: to anyone else's fear. I want if somebody notices something

896
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 2: that I have in my heart and want to share,

897
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 2: I want them to feel like they got hugged afterwards.

898
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 2: I want them to feel a little bit better about themselves.

899
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,720
Speaker 2: I want them maybe to remember that that's that joy

900
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 2: is in them too. Oh yeah, I had a day

901
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 2: like that too, or you know, like to see themselves

902
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 2: reflected and to see a space for safety and love.

903
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 2: I really really, that's all I want. That's what I

904
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Speaker 2: want to share. And also I'll say in these times

905
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 2: where I get scared and hopeless and start to feel

906
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 2: disconnected again. Like in COVID. The only tonic is to

907
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 2: know that people are doing the work, and that if

908
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 2: we all did just you know, if we all just

909
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 2: made a few choices in our day that connected us,

910
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 2: if we were all just a little bit of service,

911
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 2: or if we all just raised up a little bit

912
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 2: of positivity, the reget like that butterfly effect, those ripples. Oooh,

913
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 2: I mean that's been nothing could stop us with that

914
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 2: intentional love and that sort of the fuel and the

915
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 2: engine of that progress. Goodness, inclusion, help, just helping each other.

916
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 2: We're all gonna need help, we all are, and we're

917
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:23,320
Speaker 2: all going to be in a position to give help.

918
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 2: And so if we just stay present and open enough

919
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 2: to see where we are on the seesaw and tune

920
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 2: in and engage in life. I think I spent a

921
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,800
Speaker 2: lot of time hiding in my life, and so now

922
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 2: I just always want to be the loving act for

923
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:47,439
Speaker 2: myself is to engage with all the positivity I can,

924
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 2: because we are also capable of making good change in

925
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,839
Speaker 2: this world if we feel safe enough to do so.

926
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Speaker 1: I love that when you think about all of this,

927
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: you know how all these elements and passions and beliefs

928
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 1: kind of add up into the work you do. And really,

929
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 1: I think into the person you are in the world

930
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,439
Speaker 1: and you look kind of out at the horizon line,

931
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: whatever is ad for you for us? Is there something

932
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: that pops up that you go that's my work in

933
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: progress or is it kind of continuing to figure out

934
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Speaker 1: how to hold the whole thing?

935
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Speaker 2: I think my work in progress is showing up, honestly.

936
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 2: I yeah, like getting through the stuff from my childhood,

937
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 2: getting through the people, pleasing, getting through the may I

938
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 2: add very happy years of spending all my time pretending

939
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 2: to be someone else, which was you know, on screen

940
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 2: and off and then you know, COVID happened, the industry changed,

941
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 2: like there's been some years of nowhere to hide, and

942
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 2: lots happened in my personal life during that time. And mhm,

943
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 2: through the work on myself and by being scrupulous about

944
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 2: who I surround myself with, I just try and what

945
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 2: I surround what I feel my day with. Right, Like

946
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,439
Speaker 2: I love to work hard. I love to work hard.

947
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 2: It makes me really happy, it makes me feel engaged.

948
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 2: I really love to work hard. But you have to

949
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 2: like be sure that you're we have such a little

950
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 2: time on this planet, and so you have to really

951
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,439
Speaker 2: be sure you're not chasing your tail, right, that what

952
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 2: you're doing is in alignment with your heart, and you

953
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 2: know with your why your soul came on this planet,

954
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:58,439
Speaker 2: whatever its mission might have been. Yeah, so you find

955
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 2: those people that are safe to share your heart with

956
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 2: than your truth. And this year has just afforded me

957
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 2: the opportunity to decide whether or not to share that

958
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 2: more broadly, Like I wrote a little article about my

959
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 2: mom and all she went through and did the podcast

960
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 2: and Hani wrote why a sci fi like the first

961
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Speaker 2: novel on a trilogy with my dear friend Fay. We're

962
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 2: gonna put it out dream Oh my god, we had

963
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 2: so much fun. Speel oh my, we just had the

964
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 2: best time. So the Ethery and Code Book one, the

965
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 2: Spark look for it. But so it's been really fun

966
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 2: to uh just yeah, just meet each moment in a

967
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 2: much more honest way. And that's still that will still

968
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 2: make me stutter sometimes. I used to really stutter when

969
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 2: I was being honest because it was just too scary.

970
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 2: Is how like singing helped? Because singing is such an

971
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 2: honest gift you give either yourself or if someone might

972
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 2: be listening. But it helps get you on your breath

973
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Speaker 2: and in your body. And that I still stutter if

974
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Speaker 2: i'm That's how I can tell I'm not in a

975
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Speaker 2: safe situation. Yes, it's when I when I am giving

976
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Speaker 2: my truth and it starts to flutter me, I think, Ohney,

977
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Speaker 2: maybe it's throttled down, throttle down. Maybe this is in

978
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Speaker 2: the place or the time, But so yeah, I think

979
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Speaker 2: I think showing up honestly in my life is my

980
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 2: uh is my continued work in progress, and who knows

981
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 2: where that'll go? Who knows?

982
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Speaker 1: That's beautiful, I think, especially when the sort of gift

983
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: in the curse of this beautiful job is that you

984
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 1: get so good at performing and you're also always expected

985
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: to be on and being a human in the world

986
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: and wanting to go be in the world, wanting to

987
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 1: go walk through Manhattan means you probably have to perform

988
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: for people even on your day off, and it can

989
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 1: be so hard to learn how to just be yourself

990
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: when you're not on. And I think you know when

991
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 1: you said at the top of the hour, you were

992
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: talking about how it's a lifelong journey. You know, the

993
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 1: distance and the healing and the reclaiming all those parts

994
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 1: of yourself. That's one of the things I'm trying to

995
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,439
Speaker 1: reclaim is like, who am I when I'm not trying

996
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: to make someone else's day? Because that's such a gift.

997
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: But it's also a gift I have to give away

998
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 1: every time and when was the last time I gave

999
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: it to me? And I'm working on it.

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01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 2: Baby steps, baby steps and often awareness, right, that'll elan

1001
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 2: on edge awareness, successions action, right.

1002
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Speaker 1: Yep, that's it. Oh my goodness, You're just such a joy.

1003
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Speaker 1: Thank you for this. I'm like, I want to talk

1004
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 1: about a thousand more things with you, but not on

1005
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 1: a recording and over a bottle of wine.

1006
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Speaker 2: I like it. I'll take the tequila. But we're in.

1007
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 2: We're in great, I'm coming over. We're not far. I

1008
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Speaker 2: like it.