1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Cool Zon Media. 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 2: the podcast. That's always Margaret reading fiction to Prop. That's 4 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 2: been the setup of the show the entire time, as 5 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 2: well gaslight you and believing in it. 6 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 3: I don't know why I keep saying cool people and 7 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 3: is not just cool person? 8 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, well it was because you too. It's all three 9 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 2: of us. We're all cool people. 10 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're cool, says Margaret. 11 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 3: We are us. 12 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 2: The voices you're hearing in case you didn't listen to 13 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 2: part one is Prop and Sophie. Hi, how are you 14 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 2: all doing? 15 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:34,959 Speaker 4: Hi? 16 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 3: We are us. You know what I'm saying. Dodgers are 17 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 3: in the World Series. Yeah, Lakers have won a game 18 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 3: a game. Yes, it's great being from Los Angeles for 19 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 3: the next two days. 20 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 2: I can bring myself to care about basketball so much 21 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 2: more than I can bring myself to care about baseball. 22 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 3: Yes see, here's the trick. No, I'm vibe with that. 23 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 3: The trick is caring about Los Angeles. 24 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 2: Okay, huh, it's not that care about baseball. But like 25 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:02,639 Speaker 2: the Dodgers, that's culture. 26 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 3: That's culture exactly. The Dodgers are culture. 27 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that makes sense. 28 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 3: I don't watch Baseball till the playoffs, and only if 29 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 3: the Dodgers are playing correct, you know, So like, yeah, 30 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 3: it's it's culture. 31 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: It's literally culture, So. 32 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 3: That's what you care about. 33 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 2: I mean, I grew up watching the team that shall 34 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 2: not be named because I grew up outside d c M. 35 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 2: And so that was the that was the culture of 36 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 2: watching the Yeah, watching the did they they only changed 37 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 2: their name to like the Washington Sports team or something? 38 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 2: What did they change their name? 39 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 3: Commander It's Commanders now, oh okay, yeah, yeah, but yeah 40 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 3: it at first it was the Washington Football. 41 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 2: Club, yeah, which I thought was hilarious. 42 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's Commanders now. Yeah. 43 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 2: But then everyone who like was into the culture of 44 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 2: that got really annoying during all of that, and so 45 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 2: then I stop paying any attention to it. I know, 46 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 2: everyone tunes in to hear my opinion. 47 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 3: About all our all our opinion on sports. 48 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, well you all actually have opinions about sports, so 49 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 2: they're actually interesting. 50 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 3: I have a good balance within like our group of 51 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 3: friends of like us who like really like sports, but 52 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 3: we are self aware enough to relegate that to its 53 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 3: own group text, you know, and like it's fine, like 54 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 3: we're not going to subject everybody else to our meme sharing. 55 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 2: I spent so long hitch hiking, and the secret to 56 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 2: hitchhiking is to just learn what the other person is 57 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 2: interested in and then become interested in it. 58 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:29,239 Speaker 1: Yeah. 59 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 3: Facts, so also the secret of dating. 60 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:32,679 Speaker 2: Yeah that makes sense. 61 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 4: How many do you? 62 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: Many friends of mine that like, do not watch a 63 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: single minute of sports, but they come over and they 64 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: watch me watch sports, or they like the other day, 65 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: I have a friend and I won't I won't name it. 66 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: My friend spit out a lebron fact like no other 67 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: and I was like, chills, My soul is. 68 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 4: Just kind of. 69 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: And then she and then she knew who the enemy 70 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: was too. She knew that's important. She's like, oh, was 71 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: that the guy that got the game winner that made 72 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: you so unhappy that one time? And I was like, yes, 73 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: yes it was actually, yes. 74 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 2: Yes, yes it was, yes it was Yeah. 75 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 3: Beautiful. 76 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 2: That is a good love language. 77 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 3: It really is. You know, like, if you are listening 78 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 3: and you're on the apps, we're giving you incredible game. 79 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 3: Just just pay attention and be curious and let yourself 80 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 3: be teachable and don't be weird. Maybe I'm talking to 81 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 3: the to the cis hep fellas. You know what I'm saying, like, 82 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 3: can't give nobody else because that's all I know, you know, 83 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 3: So like I'm saying, as cis hep, like just just 84 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 3: listen and be curious, ask questions and don't be weird. 85 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 3: Just don't be weird. 86 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: Don't be weird. 87 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 3: Don't be weird. Do you see this person is into sports? Hey? 88 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 3: Who's your team? Wow? That's dope. Do you go to 89 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 3: bars to watch games? Oh? Cool? I found a bar 90 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 3: that's down the street. Maybe we could go watch it there, 91 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 3: like you see all that's just like, yeah, let's go 92 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 3: watch the game. 93 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll see. That's another one. Probably so mad right now. 94 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 3: I'm so frustrated because it's just like this is nothing, 95 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 3: like this is our scooky season stuff because I just. 96 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: Be like, in a way, is there anything scarier? 97 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 2: Yeah? Trying to dating a man, trying to date straight man? 98 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, like why y'all so weird? Like I just I 99 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 3: get so frustrated because of you know, just like the 100 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 3: mannosphere stuff where I'd be like, fellas, like boys, where 101 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 3: are your antennas? Like you know this man talking about 102 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 3: he got seventeen bitches a day? Okay, words, So a 103 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 3: man with seventeen bitches, right, who make one hundred thousand 104 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 3: dollars a day on their online store? Why they's selling 105 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 3: you classes? Don't you think if you had seventeen bitches 106 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 3: and one hundred thousand dollars a day, you would have 107 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 3: time to be online on TikTok selling people where is 108 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 3: your Antenna's? Fellas like, I'm sorry, no. 109 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 2: But see this is actually frustrated me about other things too, Right, 110 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 2: where I like, whenever I want to go, like I 111 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 2: watch music production videos, right, I'll go on YouTube and 112 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 2: I'll be like, I want to learn how the following 113 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 2: style is produced. But everyone's just trying to sell you 114 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 2: the service of like of the classes. And I'm like, yeah, 115 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 2: I don't want. I want someone who makes music for 116 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: a living, not someone who sells online classes for a living. 117 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,239 Speaker 2: I mean, real teachers are real teachers. But it gets 118 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 2: so scammy so quick, and I'm like, it's so annoying 119 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 2: to sort through. Who's actually so annoying? 120 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 3: Man? And just like yeah, I just I'm like, Fellas, 121 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:37,559 Speaker 3: it's like it's really it's really not that serious. Player, 122 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 3: like just it's not that serious. Just it's what do 123 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 3: you like if you're into something. Would you like people 124 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 3: to ask you questions about the stuff you into? Do 125 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 3: you like sharing the things that bring you joy? Okay, 126 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 3: so do other humans? Uh? Read the story? Read the story, 127 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 3: mad guy. 128 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 2: We're going to read stories. That's why we're here for 129 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 2: Spooky Week. As Sovieks correctly pointed out, the scariest thing 130 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 2: is dating men. 131 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 3: But apologize. I apologize. No, No, I mean you know, 132 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 3: I gotta own it. No, listen, you listen. I had 133 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 3: to tell me that, Like, listen, if you're in the 134 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 3: front of a line, that is your line, you are 135 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 3: responsible for the dudes in the back of the line. 136 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 3: They still that's still your line, you know. So I'm like, 137 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 3: you're right, that's still my line. 138 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. Anyway, well it's okay because I don't have any 139 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 2: I'm not in the white line, so it's wait no, 140 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 2: yeah I am. 141 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, good for you. Yeah. 142 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 2: So I'm going to read you a story speaking of racists. 143 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 2: Uh have you ever read Lovecraft? 144 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 3: Because of exactly what you're talking about, Like, I do 145 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,679 Speaker 3: not need I do not need this for for fun. Yeah. 146 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 2: So what I'm going to read you is a story 147 00:06:55,279 --> 00:07:00,799 Speaker 2: that was for a an anthology of people reacting to Lovecraft. Okay, 148 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 2: and so because I grew up reading some Lovecraft, but 149 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 2: I kind of pretty quickly learned that he was this 150 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 2: horrible racist, where like, literally I can't say the name 151 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 2: of his cat, you know, that's how racist he is. 152 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 2: Like that, But I thought it would be fun to 153 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 2: write a story in which I claim that Lovecraft stole 154 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 2: all of his ideas from a black man. Oh so, okay, 155 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 2: that's the story I'm going to read for you. 156 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 3: What is happening? All right? 157 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 2: And I don't think you know, it's going to talk 158 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 2: about Lovecraft. This story is going to talk about Lovecraft. 159 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 2: But I think it should work. You know, I haven't 160 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 2: read everything Lovecraft's written, and you know, for the aforementioned reasons. 161 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 3: I'm here for it. 162 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, this story is called The Bones of Children to 163 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 2: most of society. I am a monster. I don't have 164 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: tentacles or horns or goat's feet or anything of the sort. Nevertheless, 165 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 2: the first entry of Lieber Monsterum, the oldest known Western 166 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 2: book of monsters, is a man who dresses as a woman. 167 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 2: That part's true, by the way, actually, uh oh, and 168 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 2: then yeah, the first I'm no longer reading the story. 169 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 2: I'm just telling you a thinking yeah, I figured the 170 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 2: first book of Monsters is just fucking the first page 171 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 2: as a trans woman, and then like page three as 172 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 2: a black man, you know, like it's. 173 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 3: Like, you know, what's scary? 174 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, and then it's like a chimera after 175 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 2: timura whatever, like a fucking you know, like centaurs and shit. 176 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 177 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 2: Anyway, sure, I'm a woman who dresses like a woman, 178 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 2: but most of society doesn't believe me about that, because 179 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,719 Speaker 2: trans women are still seen as deceivers. That book was 180 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 2: written sometime in the seventh or eighth century, and I'm 181 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 2: not entirely certain I can say that much has changed. 182 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,359 Speaker 2: It's strange, then, that I should wind up hunting after monsters. 183 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 2: It's strange that I should be referring to ancient tomes, 184 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 2: both real and fictional, as potential sources of truth. It's 185 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 2: strange that I should come to take loved crafts works 186 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 2: far too seriously, especially considering what I assume he would 187 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 2: make of me. It's strange that I should be searching 188 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 2: in atticts for portals into unknown and unknowable dimensions. Okay, 189 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 2: that last bit would be strange for anybody. I mean 190 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 2: to say, only that I was a reluctant scholar of 191 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 2: the occult, as though any claims I might make of 192 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 2: my inherent skepticism will make what I have to relate 193 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 2: any more believable. I want to be clear that I 194 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 2: understand HP Lovecraft to be a writer of fiction. I 195 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 2: don't think he believed any of what he wrote to 196 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 2: be true. His work is fanciful, and while his prose 197 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 2: was outdated even for the time, I enjoy his ability 198 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 2: to weave stories and touch at the horror hidden inside 199 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 2: the human mind. 200 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: Took all of me not to interrupt you and go, 201 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:47,119 Speaker 1: let's be clear immediately. 202 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, let's be clear. 203 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: It's just embedded in my brain. 204 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 2: Wrot is fucking Lovecraft stuff. 205 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 3: No, oh, Barack Obama, Barack Obama. 206 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:00,080 Speaker 2: Let's oh shit. Oh okay yeah yeah, second. 207 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: Said, I was like, oh, it's like, my brain is rot. 208 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 3: It's mush. 209 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 2: What I've come to believe, however, and what I expect 210 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 2: to fail to convince you of, is that HP Lovecraft 211 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 2: worked from sources, sometimes near to plagiaristically, that were not 212 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 2: nearly so fictional. It started with my dreams. I've always 213 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 2: been a deep sleeper, never bothered much by dreams. No 214 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 2: dreams so beautiful that waking life cannot compare. No dreams 215 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 2: so horrid that I wake up screaming. I've always had mundane, 216 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 2: forgettable dreams until two years ago, in my fifth decade 217 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 2: of life, I moved in with a partner, a woman 218 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 2: named E. Two years ago, along with a small group 219 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 2: of miscreants and queers, we'd bought a derelict farm in 220 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 2: western Massachusetts. Everyone else wanted to build their own houses 221 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 2: on the property, so E and I moved into the 222 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 2: old farmhouse. Things were fine for the first six months 223 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 2: when we lived in the library on the ground floor, 224 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 2: but as soon as we finish renovations on the master 225 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 2: bedroom and moved upstairs, the dreams started. Most of the dreams, 226 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 2: though bizarre, were non egregious. I had dreams about washing 227 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 2: blades and washing bones in a skyscraper overlooking a dead city. 228 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 2: The city was always the same, full of brutalist structures, 229 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 2: shorter than the tower. The tasks I was engaged and 230 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 2: changed from dream to dream, but they were always mundane 231 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 2: and generally contained enough traces of what I'd done that 232 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 2: day to convince me that nothing untoward was happening to 233 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 2: my mind as I slept at midwinter, I dreamt of 234 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 2: carving a living child into quarters. As I dreamt of 235 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 2: piercing his skin, my hands shook. The visceral feel of 236 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 2: it made me want to wretch or cry or stop, 237 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: but I did none of those things. As I pulled 238 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 2: bones from sockets, my whole body shook so hard that 239 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 2: I woke. I wanted E to hold me, but she 240 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 2: slept every night with the help of pills, haunted by 241 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 2: her own nightmares, as she had had been since her youth. 242 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 2: So I held her instead and cried into her hair. 243 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 2: Only in the morning did I notice the dried blood 244 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 2: beneath my fingernails. It was E who told me that 245 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 2: my dream reminded her of a Lovecraft story, The Dreams 246 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 2: of the Witch House, and set me on the terrible 247 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 2: path I walked today. I listened to an audio production 248 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 2: of the story the next day while I worked in 249 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 2: the garden. Then I devoured book after book, after story 250 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 2: after poem by H. P. Lovecraft. Every word he'd put 251 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 2: to paper felt like it hit some discordant note in 252 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 2: my soul. Okay, I don't believe in soul, so let's 253 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 2: say brain. Everything he'd written was so close to yet 254 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 2: so far from some truth. I knew it in my 255 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 2: heart and by heart again, I mean brain. In the 256 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 2: story the City of the Elder Things is lit by 257 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 2: three stars, one red, one yellow, one blue. In my dreams, 258 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 2: that dead Brutalis city had three yellow sons, and it 259 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 2: had buildings suited for people, not winged demon barrels. So close, 260 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 2: get so far away. A few weeks later, I had 261 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 2: another dream about another human sacrifice. I still didn't believe 262 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 2: the dreams, but I assure you I went over every 263 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 2: inch of that bedroom with tape measure to prove the 264 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 2: euclidian nature of its geometry. In the end, I started 265 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 2: sharing ease medication, and the dream subsided. Thank the Lord, 266 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 2: and by the Lord, I mean pharmacology and the sponsors 267 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 2: of this show, which probably include sleep aids. I don't know. 268 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 2: Try keep getting me. I started doing this like a 269 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 2: very long time ago. I would read my partner stories 270 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 2: and then I would just change them as I was 271 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 2: reading them, like not stories i'd written. I'd be reading 272 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 2: her some book and I'd be like, and then, yeah, 273 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 2: I've learned I should probably just write instead. 274 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 3: Was it like waiting for her to catch on? 275 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think so. It's also a good way to 276 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 2: test if like someone's falling asleep when you read to 277 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 2: them totally is he then like you then like say 278 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,959 Speaker 2: their name and just like work in the story and they're. 279 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 3: Like yeah, uh huh yeah yeah. Oh, I as the 280 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 3: parent of a nine year old who we just now 281 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 3: stopped reading our stories at night. Yeah, and like barely, 282 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 3: like it'll rather than every night now it's like down 283 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 3: to four to five nights. 284 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 285 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 3: We all fall asleep before she does, like as me reading, 286 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 3: or if I'm in the room while Alma's reading, I'm 287 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 3: dozing off, like she's putting me to sleep. Yeah, it's 288 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 3: just it's great. 289 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 2: One of my one of my best friends, listens to 290 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 2: my podcast to go to sleep. So now when I 291 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 2: when I hang out with him, he's like, oh, I'm 292 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 2: getting kind of tired whenever he talked to him. 293 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 3: Man, yeah, stop talking. 294 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 2: It's so funny. 295 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 296 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 2: Anyway, what puts me to sleep are the ads? Here 297 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 2: they are and we're back. None of my landmates, least 298 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 2: of all, my partner wanted to discuss the matter with me. 299 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 2: He herself had lost a child to sit and I 300 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 2: knew better than to push the issue of dead children. 301 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,359 Speaker 2: I did what any girl would do in the same situation. 302 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 2: I joined a support group for the Lovecraft obsessed. A 303 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 2: few friends from Boston had been into all this occult shit, 304 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 2: so I hit them up and started going to meetings, 305 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 2: driving the couple hours every week. They didn't call them 306 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 2: support group meetings. And if there had been twelve steps, 307 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 2: they would have been the twelve steps for summoning Yog's 308 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 2: a thoth or something, not the steps for ridding oneself 309 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 2: of eldritch nightmares. Yeah no, Lovecraft had terrible names for everything. 310 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 311 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 2: I still used it as a support group. Everyone had 312 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 2: stories about occurrences and observations of the uncanny and arcane. 313 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 2: I didn't believe any of them, and I eventually realized 314 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 2: I thought they were idiots for believing me. Still attending 315 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 2: seemed to quiet the growing nagging sensation in the back 316 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 2: of my throat, in the back of my mind. It 317 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 2: stopped for a few blissful hours, the ever present sensation 318 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 2: I had under my fingernails of rending and tearing. It 319 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 2: stopped the chanting the demonic mantras that broke into my 320 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 2: consciousness as intrusive thoughts. A man named Why was at 321 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 2: almost every meeting. He was a young, attractive, light skinned 322 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 2: black man with old fashioned spectacles perched perilously on the 323 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 2: edge of his nose. He always had a different book 324 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 2: sticking out of his coat pocket, and he always kept 325 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 2: his eye on the door of wherever we met, often 326 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 2: a bookstore's basement or some diy show space that would 327 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 2: never pass fire code. For months, he never said a word. 328 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 2: Along with the other women and people of color who came, 329 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 2: we shared a sort of illicit bond. We were the 330 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 2: sorts that Lovecraft reviled, and that brought us together. At 331 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 2: least I assumed it did. Maybe that was just me 332 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 2: as a white girl projecting. One night in early May, 333 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 2: at least fifteen of us crowded into the back room 334 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 2: of a punk owned pizza joint after clothes. We just 335 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 2: heard from another woman with dreams of child sacrifice frighteningly 336 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 2: similar to my own, though hers took place in a 337 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 2: birch forest. When Why walked to the center of the 338 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 2: room to speak, I'm going to find the witch house, 339 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 2: he said. That's what Lovecraft called it, right, the witch house, 340 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 2: a boarding house with the bones of children in the walls, 341 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 2: with a person faced rat in a timeless witch, a 342 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 2: house with an attic room. You can't measure right, it's real. 343 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 2: I'm going to find it. The room got so quiet 344 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 2: we heard a bicycle pass on the street. Most of 345 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 2: you don't know me well enough to know I'm a 346 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 2: cat burglar by trade, but I am. It pays me 347 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 2: well enough. I don't have to work more than once 348 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 2: or twice a year, and I'm good enough at my 349 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 2: job that even if you ratted me out to the cops, 350 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 2: they wouldn't be able to pin anything on me. I 351 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 2: don't think. He looked around the room as he talked. 352 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 2: Gone was the quiet, shy man i'd seen for months. 353 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 2: In his place was a man who was charismatic, outgoing, 354 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 2: with a sort of infectious enthusiasm. I started coming here 355 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 2: to this group because of a book I found robbing 356 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 2: a place last year in let's just say, a different city, 357 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 2: a real far north city. I got a tip about 358 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 2: a rare book collector who didn't treat people very well. 359 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 2: And I like sleeping at night, so I like robbing 360 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 2: people like that. I got in the front door because 361 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 2: people think having their locks and alarms and cameras wired 362 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 2: into the internet is a good idea, made my way 363 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 2: to the library and took my fill. 364 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 3: Such a good line, thanks, and think plugging their locks 365 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 3: to the internet. It's a good idea, like yeah, maybe 366 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 3: that's yeah, anyway going. 367 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 2: I sold off the esoteric pornography in the overpriced occultist 368 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 2: groups easily enough, but some of what looked interesting to 369 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 2: me was much harder to find buyers. For a few 370 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 2: things were so rare I couldn't safely move them without 371 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 2: going through so many middlemen that I wouldn't make shit. 372 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 2: And a few were just so weird that I couldn't 373 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 2: figure out how and where to list them, let alone 374 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 2: figure out how to advertise them as worth anything. He 375 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 2: walked back over to his chair, picked up his book bag, 376 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 2: and pulled out a stack of pamphlets and plastic sleeves. 377 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 2: He held up one, yellow aged its tattered cover, but 378 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 2: in black letter font I could see the title Ruminations 379 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 2: on non Secular Matters. He held up another, The Church 380 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 2: of Christ the Weeping Man, a third Underneath The Dreams 381 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 2: of Men, a final inside the Stars of Gods. I 382 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 2: looked around the room. All of us were almost hungry 383 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 2: with desire for those books. Whatever they held, that was 384 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 2: the sort of obsession. This group fostered that I was 385 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 2: participating in. All of these works are anonymous, all of 386 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 2: them can be dated to the turn of the twentieth century. 387 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 2: None of them exists on the Internet, even as references 388 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 2: or in library catalogs. They're written in fairly different styles. 389 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 2: If I'd had to guess, I'd say Dreams of Men 390 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 2: and Stars of God have one author, and the other 391 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 2: two were written by two different people. And if I'll 392 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 2: cut right to it, the thing is, I am convinced 393 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 2: that Lovecraft read these and maybe others in this series. 394 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 2: I am also convinced that these are works of journalism. 395 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 2: I gasped. I was kind of embarrassed by the gesture 396 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 2: and put my hand over my mouth. But there it was. 397 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 2: Why didn't you say anything? One of the more cumbersome 398 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 2: of our group asked, that was G. I think there 399 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 2: were three types of people in attendance, the curious who 400 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 2: came for entertainment, the cursed like myself, who came to 401 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 2: find answers. Then there were the true believers, who just 402 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 2: wanted something to be interesting in this world, and it 403 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 2: attached themselves to Lovecraft. For whatever reason. G was a 404 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 2: true believer. I should be kinder to the true believers, 405 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 2: but they grated on me. G was the worst of them. 406 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 2: Like Lovecraft, I assumed they were fiction, But after hearing 407 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 2: everyone's stories during the past months, I found myself doubting 408 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 2: one of these, in particular, with this he held up underneath. 409 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 2: The Dreams of Men is so startlingly similar, not to 410 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 2: Lovecraft's dreams in the Witch House, but to some of 411 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 2: the stories I've heard you all tell. I got sort 412 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 2: of obsessed. Everyone turned to look at me and the 413 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 2: other woman with the sacrificial dreams. In the Dream of Men, 414 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 2: our journalist author relates the story of an old man 415 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 2: he meets known only as X. He's ebony black, and 416 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 2: he describes himself as a free man, the son of 417 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 2: a free woman, the daughter of a slave. When he 418 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 2: was younger, before the war, X took up residence in 419 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 2: a boarding house in upstate New York. He's subject to 420 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 2: a fair amount of racial abuse at the hands of 421 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 2: the matron of the house, some of the white guests, 422 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 2: and even from another black guest with lighter skin. To 423 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 2: get away from everyone, he ends up taking the worst room, 424 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 2: the attic room. Things aren't right up there, and he 425 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 2: hears things, he sees things, he can't make sense of it. 426 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 2: He starts dreaming. In his dreams, he's sacrificing children in 427 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 2: a strange city. He wakes up every morning with bones 428 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 2: at the foot of his bed, and every morning he 429 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 2: packs them into the walls and goes a little bit crazier. 430 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 2: One day he wakes up with a statue about a 431 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 2: foot high of a satyr or a devil, made out 432 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 2: of some metal he can't figure out, with writing across 433 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 2: the bottom in letters he doesn't recogniz eyes. Then what happens? 434 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 2: I asked, I'd never woken up to bones, but it 435 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 2: still felt like I was asking about my own future. 436 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 2: That's about the sum of it, why, said X. Moves 437 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 2: out after a year when he can't handle it anymore, 438 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 2: and settles in Maine. Becomes a lobster fisherman because lobsters 439 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 2: don't have bones and fishermen don't have to deal with 440 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 2: people much. Throws the statue into the ocean. After a 441 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 2: couple years of staring at it. The journalist relates his story, 442 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 2: adds a couple notes about failing to find any of 443 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 2: the people or places he's referenced, plus some nineteenth century 444 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 2: theories about dreams and their meaning. And that's it. I've 445 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 2: got a lot of free time, what with my generous 446 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 2: work schedule. I never found out the author of the text, 447 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 2: but I've been trying to track down the subject of 448 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 2: this story. Two weeks ago I found him. He was 449 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 2: real Xavier Day. Thank god his name started with an 450 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 2: X or I probably never would have found him, but 451 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 2: a black as night lobster fisherman was let's go with, 452 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 2: something of a rarity in nineteenth century Maine, so that helped. 453 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 2: He lived on a town near Lubeck. He's buried in 454 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 2: an overgrown cemetery on private land. Near as I can tell, 455 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 2: the town was too racist to bury him in the churchyard, 456 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 2: or maybe they considered him a witch. Here's a photo 457 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 2: of his stone. Why passed around his phone. The stone 458 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,479 Speaker 2: was hard to read and completely unadorned. This says he 459 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 2: lived from eighteen twelve till nineteen twenty five. I said 460 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 2: that can't be right. I looked into that. Why said, 461 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 2: it's what he claimed, and no one had evidence otherwise. 462 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 2: He told people he figured he was immortal. How'd he die? 463 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 2: I asked, drowned? What's this In the lower left of 464 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 2: the photo, I asked, There was a blur of something 465 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 2: yellowish white, a pile of something on his grave. Go 466 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 2: to the next photo, Why said it did? They were bones? Bones? 467 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 2: Why said, the bones of children. For a long moment, 468 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 2: no one said a word. I passed the phone on 469 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 2: and everyone stared in disbelief. Then theatrically Why reached into 470 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 2: his bag and pulled out a statuette and placed it 471 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 2: on the table. I did some diving, Why said, and 472 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 2: I found this. It was a devil in that Christian 473 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 2: style of a man with Caucasian features and the legs 474 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 2: of a goat. A band of Norse ruines encircled the base. 475 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 2: What does that say? G asked Why, And I answered 476 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:25,719 Speaker 2: at the same time, Neil r Hotep. And this is 477 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 2: now a new scene. That's the name of one of 478 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 2: Lovecraft's million things with a million weird names. 479 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,479 Speaker 3: Oh tep Oo. Tep has a has a fun history. 480 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually need to do more research about how 481 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 2: it relates to I don't know, do you know more 482 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 2: about like the hotep thing that currently exists? 483 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 3: Uh? Yes, I do. 484 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 2: I assume Lovecraft basically just was like, what's a scary 485 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 2: sounding word from a foreign culture? 486 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what they're doing. Yeah yeah, but we we 487 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 3: use that as a term for a black man that's 488 00:24:55,720 --> 00:25:01,719 Speaker 3: like full misogyn noir, overwoke, like just just annoying, like 489 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 3: just like Doctor Umar, which I think would be a 490 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 3: great Uh well I don't think of bastards, but like 491 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 3: it's just a great, Like he's not a bastard, it's 492 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 3: but it's just like just just you do it too much, 493 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 3: like you know, a strong black man and a strong 494 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 3: black woman. No, you know, a strong black woman should 495 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 3: support his black men. 496 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: Sixteenth minute maybe sixteenth. 497 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 3: Minute would be great about doctor Umar. Yeah uh yeah, 498 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 3: but yeah, just a hotep like I don't play pool 499 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 3: because the game ain't over to the white ball hits 500 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 3: the black ball into the hole like all right, maam, 501 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 3: all right man. Yeah, so it's just okay. 502 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 2: It reminds me a little bit of Uh. There's this 503 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 2: fucking piece of shit black metal Nazi guy named burzum 504 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 2: and Uh and he like writes these long screens about 505 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 2: how he stopped playing guitar in his metal band because 506 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 2: it's a it's an N word instrument, what a banjo. 507 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 3: It's from West Africa. 508 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he only plays synthesizer. He's a fucking asshole. 509 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 3: Ah, what a dork. 510 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a standing offer to fight that man 511 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 2: to the death. 512 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 3: Anyway, the joy of a dude like that, just getting 513 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 3: the dog shit beat out of him, Yeah, by a 514 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 3: trans woman, Yeah, would just be the most glorious. Like, 515 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 3: I mean this is tangential. 516 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,719 Speaker 5: But like, yeah, one of my friends showed me this 517 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 5: tweet from his friend that was like, damn man, Like 518 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 5: I got to fight with this gay dude and ended 519 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 5: up jumping me. 520 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 3: That beat the shit out of me. And he was 521 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 3: like he was like, as I got my ass kicked 522 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 3: by a gay man, he was like, well there's still men. Yeah, 523 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 3: Like I don't, like, what are you talking about, Like, 524 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 3: he's still a man. Yeah, so yeah he beat your ass, like. 525 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he knows how to fight because he's a 526 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 2: gay man dealing with the world. 527 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, you know that a fight because he's a 528 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 3: gay man. 529 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. I love that people think that like queer people 530 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 2: are softer. 531 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 3: And I'm like, like, what is you talking about, Like 532 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 3: you know, like clearly you don't know any Yeah. 533 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so the story and I almost feel bad. 534 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 2: I'm like, now I'm reading it aloud. This is a 535 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 2: very like everything is about this like book that references 536 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 2: this other book and shit. But I just like things 537 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 2: that get all weird and esoteric. 538 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, yeah, let's get let's get Russian doll. 539 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do it. At our insistence, why read each 540 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 2: of the four pamphlets to us. We stayed so late 541 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 2: that night that we only left when an employee came 542 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 2: to open the restaurant in the morning. For the curious, 543 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 2: this was the best entertainment they'd had in ages. For 544 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 2: the true believers, it was vindication For us cursed well, 545 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 2: I didn't know what to believe or what to think. 546 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 2: I still don't. Over the next week we tracked down 547 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 2: that boarding house in New York. It's one of the 548 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 2: only parts in this whole thing I can take any 549 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 2: credit for. My family is from upstate, and one of 550 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 2: my aunt's studies regional folklore and another studies regional history. 551 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 2: There was a town where kids of the nineteenth century 552 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 2: had died young and the old had seemed to live 553 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 2: past one hundred. No one told ghost stories about the place. 554 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 2: Every other town in New York has ghost stories about them, 555 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 2: but this one it was so conspicuously unhaunted that it 556 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 2: was clearly haunted. It wasn't a town anymore, but a 557 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 2: few buildings remained, most of them on the state's historic registry. 558 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 2: That's how I found myself in the company of a 559 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 2: gentleman thief, as we scaled the outside wall of a 560 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 2: witch house under the light of a full moon. Old 561 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 2: fashioned security means old fashioned method of entry, Why told 562 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 2: me as he opened the storm shutters of the attic 563 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 2: window with a crowbar. I'd wanted to take a tour 564 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 2: during the day and slip away from the guide, but 565 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 2: Why had insisted what we needed to do required the 566 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 2: dead of night. The attic room was wrong. That much 567 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 2: was obvious. It was unnameably wrong, though almost indescribably so. 568 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 2: Like that feeling when you're trying to put on fishnets 569 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 2: and they're tangled in more than one direction at once, 570 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 2: and you have to somehow unroll them in both directions 571 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 2: at the same time. That's what it felt like looking 572 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 2: at the room. There were four walls and a vaulted ceiling, 573 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 2: but sometimes it felt like there were five walls. And 574 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 2: when I stood, I got a trace of vertigo, like 575 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 2: I was high in the air, like I was in 576 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 2: that skyscraper looking out over that city, sharpening knives. I 577 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 2: wanted to leave. We've got to pry open the walls carefully, 578 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 2: Why said, let me try. He handed me the crowbar. 579 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 2: I smashed it into the nearest wall, putting my hip 580 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 2: into it like swinging a bat and little League again again. 581 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 2: There was no carefully left in my body. I needed answers. 582 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 2: Bones came pouring out as the wall fell down, the 583 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 2: bones of children. And I don't have a way to 584 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 2: go into ads from that, but I'm gonna here's ads. 585 00:29:54,960 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 3: Sheesh, and we're back. 586 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 2: After that night, I spent a month trying to convince 587 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 2: E and the rest of my friends to sell the 588 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 2: land and move somewhere else, anywhere else. It became clear, however, 589 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 2: that she didn't believe me, and she wouldn't come with me, 590 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 2: so I left her. The dreams haven't come back, not 591 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 2: since I left that place. Instead, I dream of E 592 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 2: and I miss her. I live with Why now and 593 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 2: a few of the other cursed ones from the group. 594 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 2: I think investigating this shit is driving me as crazy 595 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 2: as the dreams had, but I don't know what else 596 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 2: to do. I can't get it out of my brain. 597 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 2: I can't forgive myself for the monster I was in 598 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 2: my sleep and some alien city across the cosmos. I 599 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 2: understand now that I was sacrificing real children to a 600 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 2: devil I don't believe in now. Whenever I cut anything, 601 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 2: even vegetables, I think about human flesh. Whenever I see 602 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 2: the concrete of a city, I think about the three suns. 603 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 2: Whenever I imagine the rest of death, I think about 604 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 2: who or what will leave mementos of horror on my grave. 605 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 2: Worst of all, when I see children, I think of 606 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 2: their bones. Yep, that's that story. Wow. 607 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 3: Oh word, okay yo. The chill that like shot down 608 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 3: my back when he was like, I think it's journalism. Hey, 609 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 3: I mean I knew you were good at this, but like, 610 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 3: see was amazing you good at this? Yeah? 611 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 2: Thank you? This story was really fun. I tell you 612 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 2: the story behind this. 613 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, tell me the story. 614 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 2: So these people were putting together this like love Craft 615 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 2: anthology of responses to Lovecraft and stuff, and someone got 616 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 2: me too it out of the table of contents at 617 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 2: the last minute, basically like someone who was going to 618 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 2: have a story in it did some real terrible stuff 619 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 2: and so and so they were like, who do we 620 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 2: know we think can turn around a story in like 621 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 2: a week. Who writes horror, who doesn't sexually assault anybody? 622 00:31:58,520 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 3: And that's how you got here. 623 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I got in and so and then it's 624 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 2: funny because I almost I almost always write sober. I 625 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 2: got drunk in the middle of the day, wrote this 626 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 2: entire story, sent it to a friend of mine to 627 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 2: do like sensitivity reading because the's a lot of black 628 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 2: characters in it. 629 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. 630 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 2: I was like, so I sent it to my friend 631 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 2: and like we made some changes, and then I sent 632 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 2: it off to the editor, all while I was still 633 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 2: drunk on the same day. 634 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 3: A machine. Yeah that's what that means. 635 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, totally, yeah, because it was like I'd done 636 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 2: it enough that I could just do it, you know. 637 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. And the real, like the other level of psychological 638 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 3: horror is the reality of how much actually can trace 639 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 3: its origins back to a black person. 640 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. 641 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 3: There's so much of the world that is like, oh yeah, 642 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 3: that was yeah, that was us. Yeah yeah, yeah, we 643 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 3: invented that too, you know, and just so just being 644 00:32:55,000 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 3: like oh again, you know, like yeah, yeah. 645 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 2: No, yeah, it's like that's kind of what I'm trying 646 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 2: to reference. Is that so much gets stolen from black culture. Yeah, 647 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 2: I have no evidence that Lovecraft stole any of the shit. 648 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 2: I just know that hated black people, and I think 649 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 2: it's fun to troll him even though he's dead, you know, 650 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 2: of course. 651 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of in the vein of like get 652 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 3: out and like the Jordan Peel stuff to where you're like, 653 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:22,719 Speaker 3: this is the the haunting like actual funny fear behind 654 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 3: really nice like bleeding liberal white people where you're just 655 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 3: like is it wait wait you know, like yeah, so 656 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 3: so that's so that's like kind of like to me, 657 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 3: it's like it's in that vein of like damn even 658 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 3: Lovecraft was. 659 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 2: Even that, you know what I mean, Like yeah, okay, 660 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 2: So I think all the time, like the thing that 661 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 2: Lovecraft isn't famed for inventing but he didn't invent is 662 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 2: this idea of like cosmic horror. And it's the style 663 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 2: of horror that's about fear of sort of the unknowable, 664 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 2: not just the unknown, but the things that are too 665 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 2: complex where you go crazy if you think about them 666 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 2: too hard. And it's it's funny because one of my 667 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 2: friends made the argument to me that all cosmic car 668 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 2: is rooted in racism, and for for Lovecraft, it one 669 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 2: hundred percent was right. Like the idea of like going 670 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 2: into Brooklyn was so bad that he wrote the like 671 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 2: it's called like the Horror of Red Hook or I 672 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 2: can't remember, yeah, you know, and he like wrote constantly 673 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 2: about how terrified he was of people who didn't look 674 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,839 Speaker 2: like him. Right, dude, But I hold that cosmic car 675 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,919 Speaker 2: is real because that's how I feel about things from 676 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 2: under the ocean. 677 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 3: Yes, I know they not they're technically not aliens. I 678 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,760 Speaker 3: know that because it's the same planet, it's the same carbon, 679 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:45,280 Speaker 3: and yeah, I get it, but still, like nothing should 680 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 3: look like that. 681 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 2: Yes, it gets the piss out of me. 682 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I still think things as basic as jellyfish. Yeah, 683 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 3: like this shouldn't exist jellyfish. Yeah, this shouldn't be a thing. 684 00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 3: There shouldn't be mammals the size of buses. Yeah, yeah, 685 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 3: there shouldn't. You I'm I'm with it. 686 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I respect their right to exist over there in 687 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 2: the ocean, and then I will stay away from the ocean. 688 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 3: Just be over there, like that's exactly we don't have gills. Yeah, 689 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 3: you know, I'm good and that I'm good, But then 690 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 3: the ship that makes me even most scary is like 691 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:17,959 Speaker 3: they don't all have gills either. 692 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's true. They come up for air. 693 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 3: We else have lungs. And I'm like, you're not supposed 694 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 3: to be that big, yeah, and live in the water. 695 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 3: You can't breathe the water. This shouldn't exist. I know 696 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 3: I'm yelling, but you tapped into some I'm telling listen you, 697 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 3: I'm fascinated. But I'll watch you on that geo and 698 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 3: be marveling. But like jellyfish over there, that's a that's 699 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 3: a clear that's a nervous system. Yeah, it is clear, 700 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 3: and it's a nervous system. That's all that thing is. 701 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, and some of them will kill you, and. 702 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,840 Speaker 3: They could Margaret killed Joy. The thing can kill listen. 703 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 3: I was gonna go another direction with this, which I 704 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 3: still want to say because I am. We're talking to 705 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 3: you about stuff, but like facts, like so when you 706 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 3: think about like we did I did. I think I 707 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 3: did A did an episode on her politics about the 708 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,320 Speaker 3: Mothership baby like that. Uh, the way that that black 709 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 3: people talk about space for future. Yeah, afro futurism, that 710 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 3: like Funkadelic in Parliament, that is about aliens coming and 711 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 3: it's because they coming to get us, and we for 712 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,400 Speaker 3: the party. You know what I'm saying, Like it's the 713 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 3: baptized and the funk Baby, it's the Mothership. Like we're 714 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 3: black people excited because we all obviously rooted in our 715 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,799 Speaker 3: experience on this planet. Is just like we okay, we 716 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,399 Speaker 3: don't belong here, Like this is y'all are this is weird. 717 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 3: And what's funny is like out of white culture when 718 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:49,959 Speaker 3: they talk about abduction, it's yass. You know what I'm saying, 719 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 3: like that, y'all are afraid of the aliens because they 720 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,719 Speaker 3: gonna do experiments on you, which has more to do 721 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 3: with the way for which white culture has treated the 722 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 3: rest of the world. Like well that's what y'all did. 723 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 3: Y'all found the other lands and colonized it and then 724 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 3: made experiments on the local population. We don't come, We 725 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 3: don't think like that. 726 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,720 Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, you show up and go party instead. 727 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're coming to get us. Yeah, I'm say, like. 728 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,359 Speaker 2: We going home. Yeah no, that makes a lot of sense. 729 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 2: I hadn't thought about that and that yeah yeah, yeah. 730 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 2: I love also that, Like I don't know, have you 731 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,240 Speaker 2: ever read Parable the Sower and Parable the Talents? Yes, yes, 732 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 2: like I love that the thing that has taken Like 733 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 2: those are two the most influential books are for people 734 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 2: who haven't read them. Octavia Butler's kind of the most 735 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,320 Speaker 2: prophetic science fiction authors probably ever lived. She was writing 736 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 2: about basically Christian nationalists running for president on the platform 737 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 2: of make America great again. 738 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 3: Like literally, yeah, she nailed it. 739 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 2: And yeah, this like idea of earth seed, the idea 740 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 2: of like, oh no, we're going to get to space, 741 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 2: and like coming from this like I don't know, it 742 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:54,280 Speaker 2: just makes me happy. 743 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 3: No, you're right, I'll Tavid Butler should be required reading 744 00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 3: for everyone. And plus. 745 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, no, that's true. Yeah yeah. And also 746 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 2: the best description of how the apocalypse is going to go, 747 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 2: which is we think it's going to be like instant 748 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 2: mad maxim. Instead it's gonna be slow and hard. 749 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, like yeah, just as slow. You're just gonna look 750 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 3: up and be like, oh, the Earth's dead. 751 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I feel about how there's like no 752 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 2: insects anymore, you know, like like the number of bugs 753 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 2: that you killed driving across the country thirty years ago 754 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,760 Speaker 2: versus now, you know, oh my god. 755 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, that goes back to the coffee episode. That's one 756 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 3: of the one of the things I learned at one 757 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 3: of the coffee farms was like, if your farm ain't 758 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 3: got no insects, it is not organic, Like you can't 759 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 3: you that. It means the soil is toxic. That's why 760 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:45,760 Speaker 3: there's no bugs. 761 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's the real spooky season thing to end on. Yeah, 762 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 2: the h it's the fact that our world is getting 763 00:38:54,920 --> 00:39:00,239 Speaker 2: real spooky. But anyway, thanks for listening to my stories. 764 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 2: And if people want to hear more of what you do, 765 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 2: how can they do that. 766 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,880 Speaker 3: They can hear me on the Hood Politics with Prop 767 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:12,280 Speaker 3: podcast where we talk about unscary things like the twenty 768 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:17,799 Speaker 3: twenty four election and wars across the world. So there's that. 769 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,120 Speaker 3: There's you know, prop hip hop dot com. You can 770 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 3: get some music and poetry and so working on some 771 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 3: new poetry, which is kind of cool. Like, okay, so 772 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 3: side note, not that I've ever really cared about the Grammys, 773 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,720 Speaker 3: but now there's like a category for spoken word albums. 774 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,440 Speaker 3: Oh really, and I'm like, I should do an album. 775 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 2: Yeah you should, you know what I mean. 776 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 3: I've always only done poetry on my rap albums. Like, 777 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,320 Speaker 3: so there's songs, there are poems, on the album I 778 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 3: never did them. It was like, I think I want 779 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:45,919 Speaker 3: to do that next year. 780 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,120 Speaker 2: Now you should do it. For the same reason that 781 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,279 Speaker 2: the Science Fiction Awards are divided into categories based on 782 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,320 Speaker 2: how long the story is. So there's like short story, novelette, novella, 783 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 2: and novel. And the reason people write novelettes is because 784 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,319 Speaker 2: no one writes novelettes, so you have a better chance 785 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:03,360 Speaker 2: of winning the award. 786 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,720 Speaker 3: You're reading my mind? Am I gonna? Am I gonna 787 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 3: if this year? Am I gonna get Song of the Year? 788 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:09,719 Speaker 4: No? 789 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 3: Kenjick Lamar is getting it for they not like us. 790 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Are you gonna get Artists 791 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,480 Speaker 3: of the Year. No, Kendrick Lamar is gonna get it. 792 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,920 Speaker 3: No Jelly Roll is gonna get it. Like am I 793 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 3: gonna get Album of the Year for rap? No, Kendrick 794 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,319 Speaker 3: Lamar is going know what I'm saying. So you're just 795 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 3: like right, like you're not. I Am never going to 796 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 3: win that category. 797 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you do more spoken word than they do. 798 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 3: Yep. 799 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:40,040 Speaker 2: Anyway, all right, well, happy spooky season and see you 800 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,320 Speaker 2: all next week when we bring you more cool people 801 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 2: did cool stuff or weird things that I'm doing instead 802 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,719 Speaker 2: because I'm on tour. I don't know yet. You'll find 803 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,239 Speaker 2: out nice, all right job. 804 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,320 Speaker 4: Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff is a production of 805 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 4: cool Zone Media. 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