Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance. Today,
Speaker 1: I'm joined with a relatively new buddy. A guy that
Speaker 1: we meet because of social media, you know, reaches out.
Speaker 1: We strike up a friendship and a conversation and it
Speaker 1: leads to that Ashley Stucklass from High BC up in
Speaker 1: British Columbia reached out. We started working together and then
Speaker 1: I started to watch more of his videos, more of
Speaker 1: what he's putting together, and just a guy that I
Speaker 1: would say chases down the adventures he wants to be
Speaker 1: on and I really love that and respect that just
Speaker 1: wanted to bring him on and talk about some of
Speaker 1: his adventures.
Speaker 2: How's it going, Ashley?
Speaker 3: It's going great, Jason. I thank you so much for
Speaker 3: having me on. This is amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm gonna get this all wrong. Whatever sheep
Speaker 1: show you're at, you're at the BC sheep show, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get the acronym wrong, but thank you for
Speaker 1: taking your time out.
Speaker 2: And what is the sheep show you're at? Exactly? I'll
Speaker 2: let you expel.
Speaker 3: Sure. It's a Wild Chief Society of British Columbia. This
Speaker 3: is their salute to conservation and their mountain hunting expo
Speaker 3: so it kind of has two names to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so thank you again for taking the time out
Speaker 1: of that. And that's we started talking here about a
Speaker 1: month ago, and I had watched your hunt last year,
Speaker 1: which was heartbreaking, right you, Yeah, you find the ram,
Speaker 1: you know everything, and then it's Chip, right, was you
Speaker 1: kind of NASA name?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we nicknamed him in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: Chip, So we watched that you had some cool coloration
Speaker 1: on his nose, so it was obvious.
Speaker 2: You know, we'll get.
Speaker 1: Into that part later, but kind of a heartbreaking story
Speaker 1: for people that, you know, for us, for us down
Speaker 1: in the lower forty eight, like coming up stone sheep hunting,
Speaker 1: it's like a dream hunt, right, one that's almost like
Speaker 1: financially unobtainable at times, but you'll watch you guys get
Speaker 1: to go do it in your backyard as a resident,
Speaker 1: and it was like heartbreaking, right to miss that shot,
Speaker 1: just a bummer. But there there's always little nuggets of
Speaker 1: like the story that was created this year couldn't have
Speaker 1: happened without that, that low or the heartache that certainly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'd be half the story that it ends up
Speaker 3: being without that, which is officially and deeply my my
Speaker 3: most hurtful miss So, but yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I don't want to necessarily necessarily like spoil the story.
Speaker 1: But let's just say you and the buddy go back
Speaker 1: into that country and relocate Chip and have a better outcome.
Speaker 1: So it's an awesome two part series. I highly recommend
Speaker 1: you guys go watch the first part before you jump
Speaker 1: in to the success. And it's crazy how you would
Speaker 1: have never probably convinced Ashley at that time that like
Speaker 1: this is all for a good reason, like it's gonna
Speaker 1: make a better story, because you wouldn't have bought it
Speaker 1: until it happened.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for sure. Even when it actually happened, I
Speaker 3: was like, like you, you can't imagine this this to
Speaker 3: come together in this way. So it was, you know,
Speaker 3: some amazing luck there from the sheep gods for sure.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep.
Speaker 1: And like I said, I was, I'm you know, I'm
Speaker 1: drawing to guys like you, actually guys that do it.
Speaker 2: Like might you know self?
Speaker 1: Where you know I you tune into the sheep hunt,
Speaker 1: you guys are just bushwhacking through miles and miles of
Speaker 1: bottom land trying to get into the sheep country, and
Speaker 1: it's like these things are hard, even for a resident,
Speaker 1: even for guys that have the opportunity, Like it doesn't
Speaker 1: come easy, Like you guys are still putting in the work,
Speaker 1: putting in in the grind, and you're doing it the
Speaker 1: hard way, the right way. And so I respected the
Speaker 1: heck out of that, and really what kind of drew
Speaker 1: me to your channel? And then you know, started watching
Speaker 1: your meal deer hunts and your other adventures there in
Speaker 1: BC and beyond. It's it's awesome and so just stoked
Speaker 1: to have you on the show. And we're going to
Speaker 1: go through, you know, some of your adventures where you
Speaker 1: came from, your your upbringing and how you got here.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sure, So we're gonna start out like most episodes. I
Speaker 1: got a couple of my own, just kind of softball
Speaker 1: Q and A questions. This segment is sponsored by Pendleton Whiskey,
Speaker 1: so we appreciate them being partners here. So if you've
Speaker 1: got questions for me or my guests, feel free to
Speaker 1: email them to us at CTD at Phelps game Calls
Speaker 1: dot com or just send us a social message on
Speaker 1: any of our platforms and we'll do our best to
Speaker 1: get them in here. So these are from These are
Speaker 1: my questions in addition to the conversation we're gonna have. So,
Speaker 1: you know, not being from BC, not knowing your guys'
Speaker 1: exact system, you know, your public land, how do you
Speaker 1: pick areas that you're gonna hunt? Like do you look
Speaker 1: at the do you do e scouting? Is there just
Speaker 1: like well known areas? Like is it similar to down
Speaker 1: here where you're just like I want to go hunt
Speaker 1: that area? Figure out the logistics, Like how do you
Speaker 1: choose where you're gonna hunt? What what mountains may have
Speaker 1: you know, sheep in them, whatever it may be, Like,
Speaker 1: how do you plan hunts up there in BC?
Speaker 2: And what's open to you?
Speaker 3: So I for planning the hunts and eat scouting for sure.
Speaker 3: I mean we're on on X throughout the season and
Speaker 3: the off season. You know, we're dropping pins, we're doing
Speaker 3: you know, we're doing some scouting hikes and then sort
Speaker 3: of verifying, you know, how the lay of the land is,
Speaker 3: and then you know, getting the feel for the feed
Speaker 3: types that are in the areas and then using on
Speaker 3: X to then go deeper. I mean, we are fortunate
Speaker 3: our population bases is quite a bit lower than a
Speaker 3: lot of the US states, and so we have a
Speaker 3: ton of crown land or public land, as you guys
Speaker 3: say down in the US there I so we're fortunate
Speaker 3: to have a lot of that, but we still in
Speaker 3: the good areas of good mual de deer areas, mountain hunting,
Speaker 3: sheep and goat. If you don't do your research, you know,
Speaker 3: you can really find yourself in foot races, and it
Speaker 3: can We have enough plan that it's it can be
Speaker 3: easily avoided if you're willing to, you know, put on
Speaker 3: and burn some boot leather and get a little deeper
Speaker 3: and use those tools. So we do very detailed planned
Speaker 3: out hunts for backcountry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I wasn't gonna go down this rabbit hole.
Speaker 1: And maybe you do or don't know, like my understanding
Speaker 1: being from down here looking at you know, stone cheap prices.
Speaker 1: Did they cut resident stone sheep opportunity or was it
Speaker 1: more of just a non resident or guide in outfitter concessions,
Speaker 1: because I know a lot of the BC guides and
Speaker 1: outfitters got their allocation cut in half, which then like
Speaker 1: doubled the price instantly for guys like me that would
Speaker 1: want to come up. But did you guys, did they
Speaker 1: mess with the management numbers?
Speaker 3: For you or was it a little a little bit
Speaker 3: in a few areas. For sure, there were some changes,
Speaker 3: and there's likely to be more changes coming. But typically
Speaker 3: in the area where we focus our stone sheep hunting,
Speaker 3: it remains untouched the same way it was when I
Speaker 3: walked in these same hills in the in the early nineties. So,
Speaker 3: you know, sixty bucks. The tag's more expensive now, but
Speaker 3: sixty dollars as a resident hunter and just your fuel
Speaker 3: and the gear and and you're hunting.
Speaker 1: That's a little sixty bucks is a little bit more
Speaker 1: affordable than one hundred thousand right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Or yeah, for sure makes me want to see if
Speaker 1: I can get my my residency up in BC.
Speaker 2: For a couple of years.
Speaker 3: Come on up, yeah, come on up. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So what's the what's the general health of the critters
Speaker 1: up there in BC? You guys have you know moose,
Speaker 1: you know sheep, go uh, you know meal deer. I'm
Speaker 1: assuming some whities down you know south, like, is the
Speaker 1: general consensus that the critters are doing good there right
Speaker 1: now or sustaining? Are they on a downturn where it seems.
Speaker 3: Like I think we are experiencing some of this stuff.
Speaker 3: You guys are experiencing too. I mean we've got you know,
Speaker 3: our Stone Cheap population remains pretty healthy for sure, but
Speaker 3: definitely our California population and have a movie and you know,
Speaker 3: has really impacted that that herd. I don't know exactly,
Speaker 3: but I think it's about a third of the size
Speaker 3: that it was, you know, ten to fifteen years ago,
Speaker 3: just based on you know, primarily movie and the impact
Speaker 3: from that disease. So and then for our moose, I think,
Speaker 3: you know, we've been going through a long, long sort
Speaker 3: of trajectory of a decline in them, in our moose
Speaker 3: populations due to a lot of road and forestry activity
Speaker 3: and stuff allowing the predators to really excel in their
Speaker 3: in their pursuit of moose specifically, and and on the
Speaker 3: mule deer front, I mean, we really have amazing opportunities
Speaker 3: still for over the counter. You know, we have a
Speaker 3: few small subsets of draw for mule deer, but it's
Speaker 3: the same thing. You know, I paid I think it's
Speaker 3: twenty five dollars for my mule deer tag and can
Speaker 3: hunt them every year. The population I think, you know,
Speaker 3: even in the last ten years when I've really been
Speaker 3: focused on mule deer a lot. I've certainly seen changes
Speaker 3: in the population. I think, you know, a couple of
Speaker 3: years ago we had bad snowpack and that really impacted
Speaker 3: the population that we're still recovering from. But we had
Speaker 3: good snowpack the following year, and this year's sort of
Speaker 3: sort of moderate as well. So I think it's we're
Speaker 3: healthy overall, but there's a lot of work to be done.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep.
Speaker 1: And yeah, do you think you mentioned that they're a
Speaker 1: little bit like predator management?
Speaker 2: Is it still?
Speaker 1: You know our hunters is are the fishing you know,
Speaker 1: you guys' fish and wildlife, like our predators well managed
Speaker 1: up there. Still that that, my opinion, is why we
Speaker 1: were having so much trouble. You know, thirty years ago,
Speaker 1: we could run dogs, you know, we could do all this.
Speaker 1: You could bait bears, you know, we're now it's like
Speaker 1: you're starting to get some of these, you know, these
Speaker 1: bleeding hearts that don't like that method of hunting when
Speaker 1: it's a really great management tool. And so without those
Speaker 1: then you know, if you can't bait well, then also
Speaker 1: you can't use hounds. Now you've got a recipe for
Speaker 1: like what are the chances that you just run across
Speaker 1: the cougar. You know, we all know for you, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just like the opportunity, the chance for take is
Speaker 1: becoming slim. And so I've always felt it's our predator
Speaker 1: management number one and then maybe wildlife management number two,
Speaker 1: which go hand in hand. Do you guys feel you know,
Speaker 1: some of these declines maybe predators. Is it hunting pressure,
Speaker 1: is it game management, or just a natural cycle? You
Speaker 1: know you mentioned weather.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the weather cycles a little bit of
Speaker 3: the bigger picture, but the predator management piece can't be overlooked.
Speaker 3: I think we're really lucky we have. We can't bait
Speaker 3: bears in British Columbia, but we can use hound for
Speaker 3: cats and and are we're able to go out and
Speaker 3: hunt wolves and coyotes. I was out a couple of
Speaker 3: weeks ago. As a matter of fact, I think what
Speaker 3: it really comes down to is really trying to a
Speaker 3: be mindful of how we're engaging in that activity and
Speaker 3: help people understand the benefits. We're not out there to
Speaker 3: wipe everything out, but when you look specifically at mule
Speaker 3: deer and their winter range, there is there is a
Speaker 3: huge advantage to the predators when the density of these
Speaker 3: mule deer become. You know, they're down in the stage
Speaker 3: and they're packed down. You know, they're down in six
Speaker 3: hundred feet elevation in the river drainages. And the predators cougars,
Speaker 3: at wolves and coyotes, you know, really can have big impact.
Speaker 3: They'll their population will fluctuate with the available of that game.
Speaker 3: But that cycle, if we're not if we don't play
Speaker 3: a part in that, which we always have, if we
Speaker 3: don't continue to play a strong part in that, you know,
Speaker 3: we are always going through these huge swing curves as
Speaker 3: opposed to having something where we're looking at the numbers,
Speaker 3: looking at the amount of predation and then you know,
Speaker 3: playing our part in that, and I think trying to inspire.
Speaker 3: We have the opportunity, but you know, I don't run
Speaker 3: into other guys out there, you know, with their backpacks on,
Speaker 3: you know, hunt hunting coyotes or wolves. It's it's no mansion,
Speaker 3: but everyone's out there when them when the mule they're
Speaker 3: hunting seasons on, you know, and we're wondering why, you know, hey,
Speaker 3: numbers are down this year. So we had bad snow
Speaker 3: and then the predators were at the at a high peak,
Speaker 3: so they do a big hammer at that point. So
Speaker 3: it takes about five years to to recover. If you
Speaker 3: get that perfect storm of predators at the peak. Mule
Speaker 3: deer's had a bad winter, wow, you know, so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then we've had that too where we get
Speaker 1: like a couple of bad winterers around. Then you're just missing,
Speaker 1: missing like your age class a deer. So you know,
Speaker 1: like five or six years from now when those bucks
Speaker 1: should be, you know, where you want them. You might
Speaker 1: not have very many bucks because not very many of
Speaker 1: those fawns made it through those couple of bad winters,
Speaker 1: or they got ate up by a cat or a wolf,
Speaker 1: you know, because it's easier pickings. And so we'll notice
Speaker 1: like big age bands missing where it's like all really.
Speaker 2: Old deer and then like real young deer.
Speaker 1: And then you you know, you have to wait for
Speaker 1: that to get through, and you so you miss these
Speaker 1: big chunks of age class, you know, depending on on
Speaker 1: bad weather. And we could talk about predators forever, like
Speaker 1: I wish, I wish the furs were still worth enough
Speaker 1: or there was an incentive enough to like it made sense.
Speaker 1: You know, now guys aren't willing to go fill you
Speaker 1: know I'm also a turkey hunter, which I'm not going
Speaker 1: to get into. But right, it's not worth guys to
Speaker 1: go out and chase raccoons around anymore because their hidees
Speaker 1: aren't worth enough. So why would I spend one hundred
Speaker 1: dollars in fuel to go chase raccoons around when you
Speaker 1: can't make that up or even break even. Same thing
Speaker 1: with coyotes, Like it's not worth putting the fur up anymore.
Speaker 1: You know, you don't got the right methods for cougar
Speaker 1: and wolves. You can't even hunt wolves where I'm at.
Speaker 1: You know, some some states you can. So I wish
Speaker 1: there was some incentive where it made sense or it
Speaker 1: wasn't like a financial decision on whether you're gonna go
Speaker 1: hunt versus, like I know what's best for the ungulates
Speaker 1: that we want to or I know what's best for
Speaker 1: the balance, Like let's go, you know, go out and
Speaker 1: predator hunter spend a weekend.
Speaker 2: You know, it's cool.
Speaker 1: For everybody to lace up their boots a on a fall,
Speaker 1: you know, deer hunt or a sheep hunt. But and
Speaker 1: I'm a hypocrite too because I don't do enough predator hunting.
Speaker 1: But like we need to you know, lace up our
Speaker 1: boots during the winter as well and go take care
Speaker 1: of some predators.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been trying to inspire myself to do that
Speaker 3: more to to you know, the opportunities there. And I
Speaker 3: fall in the same same bucket, you know, And there's
Speaker 3: only so many holidays that you can take away from
Speaker 3: your work. There's only so much, so many tanks of
Speaker 3: fuel you can burning the year, and it ain't getting cheaper.
Speaker 3: But but yeah, like from a big picture perspective, I
Speaker 3: just I just want to be fully engaged and understand it.
Speaker 3: And I think, you know, it's not often well understood
Speaker 3: by others that think about outside of hunting, that think
Speaker 3: about hunters. The point you're just making of being able
Speaker 3: to analyze you know, we hunt the same or adjacent
Speaker 3: areas every year, and our our knowledge specifically of the
Speaker 3: health of those herds are you know, on par with
Speaker 3: some deep, deep studies done by biologists, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. We were able to say, hey, three years ago,
Speaker 3: you know, there there was that winter, and then you
Speaker 3: can really see it showing up that that age class
Speaker 3: is sort of punched out of the herd. And I love,
Speaker 3: I love deep diving into thinking about that stuff.
Speaker 1: Yep, I overthink and probably you know, overanalyze everything, but
Speaker 1: I think it's important, Like you need to be you know,
Speaker 1: you need to be involved, You need to be plugged
Speaker 1: in and thinking about all of these things.
Speaker 2: You know how how that affects you know, the.
Speaker 1: The longevity and and you know, ultimate population and and
Speaker 1: all of that. And it's it's pretty evident that that
Speaker 1: predators are having a big toll right now. But you know,
Speaker 1: we're playing within some pretty pretty tight confines down here.
Speaker 1: It sounds like you guys can't bait but still have
Speaker 1: the ability to run dogs, and I think that's an
Speaker 1: important management tool. And uh yeah, yeah, so I I
Speaker 1: I took advantage there and asked you a few more
Speaker 1: questions in the two I was gonna ask, so appreciate that.
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, once again, you have questions for me
Speaker 1: or my guess ct D at Phelps Game Calls dot
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Speaker 1: do our best to to get those on here for it.
Speaker 1: So now, actually I'm gonna kind of jump into just
Speaker 1: your introduction, So, like what was your background, you know,
Speaker 1: did you grow up in BC? You know, come from
Speaker 1: a hunting family, like, give us a five minute rundown
Speaker 1: of you growing up as a hunter and how you
Speaker 1: got here.
Speaker 3: Sure I was. I was actually born on the East Coast.
Speaker 3: I was born in Newfoundland. I've been in British Columbia
Speaker 3: for thirty years now, so you know, my adult life
Speaker 3: has been spent here in British Columbia. I was hunting
Speaker 3: before I was holding a gun in my hand. You know,
Speaker 3: I followed my grandfather's around. I followed my grandfather on
Speaker 3: this trap line. You know, I look back now, I
Speaker 3: was thinking about this, like I thought, oh, I was
Speaker 3: being because I was super eager to be helpful and
Speaker 3: you know, wanted to work hard. And you know, but
Speaker 3: when I really realize now, like my grandfather was sacrificing
Speaker 3: his efficiency greatly to tope me along. I thought I
Speaker 3: was helping, but really he was helping me along. And then,
Speaker 3: you know, my dad was always my main hunting mentor
Speaker 3: so he told us. Around me and my two brothers,
Speaker 3: you know, from very early ages five six years old,
Speaker 3: we're chasing him around. You know, when we get to ten,
Speaker 3: he's given us opportunities to shoot a duck, you know,
Speaker 3: and to sort of graduate into learning hunting so it
Speaker 3: came through our family traditions. My hunting, I think sort of.
Speaker 3: You know, we were heavily, heavily moose hunter family because
Speaker 3: it's it was all about the yield, yep. So it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, my dad worked in mining management and only
Speaker 3: had so much time away from work. He's great blue
Speaker 3: collar guy, but he really treasured the time he put in,
Speaker 3: but he would focus it on where he could get
Speaker 3: the best yield. So you know, he wasn't a bear hunter.
Speaker 3: He shot one deer in his life, but you know
Speaker 3: he shot a moose. He shot thirty five moose in
Speaker 3: his life, you know, because that's so I've really cut
Speaker 3: my teeth on some heavy packing and stuff. We didn't
Speaker 3: do a lot of backcountry moose hunts, but we would
Speaker 3: you know, set up our camp and then do small
Speaker 3: hikes in the bugs and then you know, work it
Speaker 3: out that way. And when we first moved to British Columbia,
Speaker 3: we moved to a small town named Cassiar, which is
Speaker 3: way up forty five minutes from the Yukon border. And
Speaker 3: when I seen that, you know, I was seventeen or
Speaker 3: eighteen at the time, and when I seen that, I
Speaker 3: was like like blown away. Right now, I'm in the
Speaker 3: mountains of British Columbia, way up north, and I can't
Speaker 3: believe it. But you know, me and my buddy Chad,
Speaker 3: they just used to let us go on the weekend.
Speaker 3: We'd be walking out with a single shot twenty two,
Speaker 3: weaving through grizzlies looking for sheep and goats all through
Speaker 3: the summer, you know, and and sleeping out there in
Speaker 3: our little tents and you know, a little naive, I
Speaker 3: would say, but but just getting after it. So and
Speaker 3: then the fall would come around, and you know, my
Speaker 3: dad and this couple buddies at the mine were like, well,
Speaker 3: we're up here in the north. We you know, my
Speaker 3: dad's a moose hunter, great moose hunt together there. But
Speaker 3: he's like, I guess I got to go for a
Speaker 3: sheep while I'm up here in a goat. And we
Speaker 3: never did get him a sheep, but we did get
Speaker 3: him a nice belly, and but I ended up getting
Speaker 3: being on four successful sheep hunts up there with the
Speaker 3: guys in the mind we just take him out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, are you still up up in that same general
Speaker 1: area up north?
Speaker 3: No, I'm in Vancouver now, Like you know, my career
Speaker 3: and stuff, you know, has been kind of locked down
Speaker 3: in the city. So, you know, I get to the
Speaker 3: North Country every year. It is something that it's on
Speaker 3: my must do list every year. I have a fantastic
Speaker 3: wife that lets me get away a whole bunch to
Speaker 3: chase the sort of dream that I'm I'm kind of
Speaker 3: have this vision and I'm struggling, but I'm still working
Speaker 3: hard at it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, no, and then uh, a little bit about
Speaker 1: about you there. So then so, how did HIGHBC like
Speaker 1: the the beginnings of that and how long have you
Speaker 1: been doing it? And uh, like I said, I've I've
Speaker 1: started watching your stuff because I really enjoy it and
Speaker 1: your storytelling and the way you kind of go about it.
Speaker 1: So tell us about hih BC, the YouTube channel and
Speaker 1: where you got going there.
Speaker 3: Well, it's funny, you know, you know, I've watched hunting
Speaker 3: shows my entire life, right, That's the the that you're
Speaker 3: a kid, You're looking at these big personalities on TV
Speaker 3: and you're thinking, wow, you know, and it never feels
Speaker 3: like something you could do, and it still doesn't, frankly,
Speaker 3: and and then you know, I just had this epiphany
Speaker 3: that you know, I see other people doing things on
Speaker 3: YouTube and putting their little hunts together and they're just
Speaker 3: normal resident hunters, just like me. And I'm like, well
Speaker 3: I should do that. And you know, again back to
Speaker 3: sort of a naive perspective, I'm kind of a dive
Speaker 3: right in and start figuring it out. Guy. But you know,
Speaker 3: so I just went on Facebook marketplace Boughty use camera.
Speaker 3: So I was like, oh, I at least need to
Speaker 3: have a good camera, which it wasn't a very good camera,
Speaker 3: but still. So this is only four years ago. Basically
Speaker 3: four and a half years ago. I touched the camera
Speaker 3: for the first time, and I was like, this is
Speaker 3: going to be easy. So me and my buddy Kyle
Speaker 3: went out and we're just filming, going to check our
Speaker 3: trail camps. Okay, oh, this is going to be great.
Speaker 3: So I'm out there spraying this camera around, thinking, oh, wow,
Speaker 3: this is going to be like I've seen some of
Speaker 3: the cinematic stuff that's out there, guaranteed, got it nailed
Speaker 3: at these shuts are wonderful. Get back to my computer
Speaker 3: and I'm like, okay, let's put this magic together and
Speaker 3: I just I just remember I distinctly remember sitting looking
Speaker 3: at my of this shaky dad cab style footage like
Speaker 3: a you know, like I'm running around and nothing makes
Speaker 3: sense that there's there is no story to it. It's
Speaker 3: it's just sort of this is an activity we're doing.
Speaker 3: And and then I was frustrated but hooked instantly. I'm like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: so I got to get better. So then I just
Speaker 3: you know, grind on on researching how to, how to shoot,
Speaker 3: how to you know, figure it out. And you know,
Speaker 3: then through the twenty thirty dollars in gear upgrades and
Speaker 3: and becoming just just like hunting, you become this gear
Speaker 3: nut you kind of like I need this, and it's
Speaker 3: got to be that. Once you got something set, it's
Speaker 3: like lock that in because that's that's a move. That's
Speaker 3: a move that I need. It's there, Okay, rely on it, Okay,
Speaker 3: add something else into the mix, and the same thing.
Speaker 3: So this was always both happening now at the same time, Like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I found out a way to make hunting way more expensive,
Speaker 3: so this is this is awesome. So and but but
Speaker 3: I just basically kept driving for it, keep driving for it.
Speaker 3: I'm still driving for it, like I feel right now,
Speaker 3: if I'm being honest in my journey, I feel like
Speaker 3: halfway there. I feel halfway to what I'm still visioning.
Speaker 3: But I can see glints of it, you know, I
Speaker 3: can see glints. I can see a sequence right now
Speaker 3: that I can edit and put together of shots that
Speaker 3: I took myself, and I'm like, okay, that's that's fairly tight.
Speaker 3: And then okay, the story wobbles here, and then you
Speaker 3: just the story piece has been it's complicated. Yeah, you
Speaker 3: don't realize how much work goes into that. So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And the nice thing is, you know, I you know,
Speaker 1: kind of watching it from the beginning. Now you see
Speaker 1: you with the big I think it's the big white
Speaker 1: bodied lenses. You know, you got the big expensive lenses
Speaker 1: where it's like, you know, the dedication for somebody to
Speaker 1: pack that long lens around, and.
Speaker 2: So it's like, you know, improving that.
Speaker 1: But then I think the magic and and you may
Speaker 1: agree that the equipment's nice and the fancy equipment, but
Speaker 1: it comes back to that storytelling. And the nice thing
Speaker 1: is is you get going, like it just becomes a
Speaker 1: little more naturally, like, oh, that's the storyline, like I
Speaker 1: already know, you know, and and you just you know,
Speaker 1: and it's not the storyline people are gonna attach to,
Speaker 1: and uh, that's what I love about it, is like
Speaker 1: telling those stories in the way that you know, you
Speaker 1: want to, you know, and and it's fun especially when.
Speaker 2: You then they're not all gonna land.
Speaker 1: It seems like sometimes you produce some duds and then
Speaker 1: it's like, all right, the next one everybody loved and
Speaker 1: that you know, and so it's just yeah, producing something
Speaker 1: that you want to and then hoping that the people
Speaker 1: that watch, you know, like it, and uh, it's a
Speaker 1: it's a lot of fun. So let's let's roll into
Speaker 1: your your three most memorable hunts there in BC. I know,
Speaker 1: the the sheep Hunts got to be one of them,
Speaker 1: and then kind of throw your other two and we
Speaker 1: didn't touch too much on it. If you want to
Speaker 1: go a little bit deeper into the you know, the
Speaker 1: story on Chip and then ultimately what you and your
Speaker 1: buddy were both to do this past year, like give
Speaker 1: us that story and then throwing a couple of your
Speaker 1: other favorites.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I you know, when we think about the
Speaker 3: sheep hunt, like, I've never had an experience that was
Speaker 3: that that sort of high that elevated, So you know,
Speaker 3: it's like a huge gift to get that opportunity. So
Speaker 3: you know, we like you say, packing in that lens,
Speaker 3: that's that's part of the part of the sacrifice that takes. Yes,
Speaker 3: could I use my olen and get some good shots? Absolutely?
Speaker 3: What can I can I get? You know, ten bit
Speaker 3: color in four k No, I cannot. And so you know,
Speaker 3: put taking that sixteen pounds of camera gear on a
Speaker 3: eighty eighty kilometers the first year and about a you know,
Speaker 3: one hundred the next year. I get great satisfaction in
Speaker 3: that pain to do it, because not a lot of
Speaker 3: people want to do that. You know, we're cheap one
Speaker 3: oh one. How light can you make your kit?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And make it still comfortable? That's like basic science of
Speaker 3: sheep hunting is, hey, how can I get to fifty
Speaker 3: five pounds with ten days of food? How do I
Speaker 3: get to that number? And for me, it's like, okay,
Speaker 3: now I've got to that number. Now let's just add
Speaker 3: sixteen pounds on it or fourteen depending on the kid
Speaker 3: I bring and sort of, but it matters enough to
Speaker 3: do that, and I think, you know, that's making my
Speaker 3: hunts more memorable, that whole process in itself, and of
Speaker 3: course having video of varying quality levels of these hunts
Speaker 3: really deepens the experience because we think we remember everything
Speaker 3: and then you watch something from a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3: But you know, really getting back in there with Jesse
Speaker 3: the same hunter. You know, we we did not think
Speaker 3: we were going to cross up. This is a very
Speaker 3: expensive area we're hunting. We didn't think we cross up
Speaker 3: Chip again. And you know, if you I've re edited it.
Speaker 3: I'm actually showing it at the Sheep Show here into
Speaker 3: one compact like twenty minute episode. It's probably my best
Speaker 3: editing to date on that story. So if people do
Speaker 3: want to see it, it will be there. I think
Speaker 3: it's worth the watch. It's very relatable if you're in
Speaker 3: the mountains. I really like to you know, dive into
Speaker 3: more than more than just the grip and grin that's
Speaker 3: fortunately a part of it in the highs. But but yeah,
Speaker 3: there's it's that that sick grind that you got to
Speaker 3: do and whether you like it or not, you just
Speaker 3: love it, you know, whether it hurts or not. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so by time this airs, that video will
Speaker 2: be live on your YouTube channel.
Speaker 3: Correct, it will, Yeah, after I show after I show
Speaker 3: it tomorrow at one o'clock at the Sheep Show. That'll
Speaker 3: be the first screening of it. It will go live
Speaker 3: by Sunday on the YouTube channel. And I think it's
Speaker 3: a nice way if if you don't want to watch
Speaker 3: it through the two part I think the two parts
Speaker 3: valuable because it goes deeper. Obviously, it's twice the twice
Speaker 3: the length kind of thing, but this is just a
Speaker 3: little more concise, maybe a geared a little more towards
Speaker 3: watchability and engagement kind of thing.
Speaker 1: And I'm curious you said, you know, it was in
Speaker 1: an expansive area. How far was he from the spot
Speaker 1: where you miss him the first year? Was it the
Speaker 1: same mountain or was.
Speaker 3: He apart different mountain, same range? And it was approximately
Speaker 3: you know, five miles or so. Jeez, talking miles because
Speaker 3: a lot of people, but yeah, yeah, five miles ten
Speaker 3: kilometers ish kind of thing. I never quite measured it off,
Speaker 3: but approximately in approximate.
Speaker 1: That's crazy, you know, because like and I don't know
Speaker 1: if your milder are more finicky, like a lot of
Speaker 1: our meal deer go back to the exact same summer range,
Speaker 1: you know, they migrate out, go back, So it's you know,
Speaker 1: I would just assume a sheep's gonna kind of stay
Speaker 1: on the same mountain, but that that seems to be
Speaker 1: a pretty pretty good distance, so it's even more rare.
Speaker 1: You know, it may be normal, but it seems crazy
Speaker 1: that you know, you'd pick him up that far apart.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they they just run the range differently right than
Speaker 3: than meal there because my meal their experience with when
Speaker 3: we talk about, you know, three favorite hunts, I think
Speaker 3: mule dere is ultimately my favorite animal to pursue. But yeah,
Speaker 3: they act very differently than sheep. Sheep are you know,
Speaker 3: they'll they'll have you know, maybe it's grizzly bears pushing
Speaker 3: them around from time to time. Maybe it is other hunters.
Speaker 3: A guide comes through with his horses, you know, they'll
Speaker 3: they'll migrate. Whereas you know meal deer, you can push
Speaker 3: him out for a couple of days usually, but if
Speaker 3: you really stick it out, usually he's gonna he's gonna
Speaker 3: sneak back in there and want to be in whether
Speaker 3: that's his summer range or or where he likes the winter.
Speaker 3: You know, when they're running running, they'll cruise a lot more,
Speaker 3: so you'll get a lot more turnover through the basins.
Speaker 3: That you work, but uh yeah, they're they're a little.
Speaker 2: Bit different, gotcha, gotcha? And then you you kind of
Speaker 2: that was a good segue.
Speaker 1: So I'm sure a meal deer hunt's got to be,
Speaker 1: you know, on on one of your top three and
Speaker 1: and watching your videos, it seems like you guys got
Speaker 1: like kind of some cliffy plateau country that drops off
Speaker 1: into these cliffs and it looks like just a really
Speaker 1: cool way to get above those deer and kind.
Speaker 2: Of kind of glass down.
Speaker 1: Tell me a little more about your meal deer hunting,
Speaker 1: and it seems like you know a lot of fun
Speaker 1: hunting them that way.
Speaker 3: It's super fun hunting them that way. I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: it creates challenges as well for recovery. Sometimes you've got
Speaker 3: to do very very long hikes to to you know,
Speaker 3: your you shoot him four hundred yards away, then you
Speaker 3: got to hike ten kilometers, not just a kilometer and
Speaker 3: a half like your typical working your way in cutting
Speaker 3: the best little ridge lines to get you to them.
Speaker 3: This is a bigger swing. But I'm just in love
Speaker 3: with that that, you know, end of October right through
Speaker 3: November being in that country, that transition between the fur
Speaker 3: timber that it's fairly dry in there. It's bordering on
Speaker 3: sort of desert type of terrain. And it transitions from
Speaker 3: these stunted fur forests that are quite open, nice walking
Speaker 3: underneath into these cliff systems down into the river drainages
Speaker 3: which are all rolling sage, and you know, just smelling
Speaker 3: the sage and just being right there is you know,
Speaker 3: you gotta do it. Anybody who's getting into the like,
Speaker 3: I don't know how you don't get hooked because it's
Speaker 3: it's very enjoyable.
Speaker 2: No, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: It seems like you're able to take some good bucks
Speaker 1: in there. You's got a pretty healthy population and looks
Speaker 1: like a ton of f What would be your third?
Speaker 1: So you know you got a sheep? Is most memorial?
Speaker 1: That that memorable?
Speaker 2: You got that?
Speaker 1: Mealy, what would be like a third? I know you're
Speaker 1: trying to get after a big horn this year, but like,
Speaker 1: you know, moose, what else?
Speaker 2: What else is your It is moose?
Speaker 3: That And there's a deep connection to moose hunting and
Speaker 3: my relationship with my father, grandfather, uncles. You know, it's
Speaker 3: a traditional on the east in Newfoundland has the highest
Speaker 3: moose population per square kilometer square mile in the world,
Speaker 3: So it's a big food source for a lot of
Speaker 3: small communities out there. So even though I do my
Speaker 3: moose hunting here in British Columbia, I feel heavily connected
Speaker 3: to all of those childhood memories when I'm in the
Speaker 3: bogs chasing moose, you know. So so I think, I
Speaker 3: I that is near and dear to my heart.
Speaker 1: Do you try to still get out every year in
Speaker 1: moose hunt when you can? Or is it is it
Speaker 1: like an every other year thing or how it's.
Speaker 3: More of an every other year thing. Honestly, I think
Speaker 3: I am gonna make a moose hunt happen this year.
Speaker 3: But our moose hunt hunting in the province is ninety
Speaker 3: percent draw so you do have to draw a tag.
Speaker 3: Some of the areas that that I like to hunt,
Speaker 3: the drawds aren't that great. So there's a few little
Speaker 3: pockets left in the province where there's where there's open
Speaker 3: uh open moose hunting. But so you know, if if
Speaker 3: you know, traveling to the Yukon three times a year
Speaker 3: gets a little tough. So I usually try to get
Speaker 3: too up north, not into the Yukon, but uh right
Speaker 3: up on the border and uh it uh yeah, there's
Speaker 3: only so much you can do. There's only so many days.
Speaker 3: But that has to be my my third if I
Speaker 3: put it there, like I'm obsessed with trying to I've
Speaker 3: been bit with the elk bug too, just because I've
Speaker 3: had them pound me in the chest bugling back. And
Speaker 3: you know, we we didn't ol hunt growing up, and
Speaker 3: I didn't do a ton of elk hunting just myself,
Speaker 3: and and these last couple of years, I've been just
Speaker 3: in this hot pursuit to try and try and make
Speaker 3: it happen. I've had some really close calls, but yeah,
Speaker 3: still still working on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, elk stuff to beat, just from an interaction, Like
Speaker 1: you know, they give you more interaction than almost every
Speaker 1: other critter we get to chase around. So yeah, similar
Speaker 1: to to you, that's probably why they're my number one.
Speaker 1: You know, you get an interact and get them all
Speaker 1: fired up and pissed and yeah, super super fun way
Speaker 1: to hunt.
Speaker 2: I have a question for you back on the moose.
Speaker 1: So you know the shiris down here, you know, we
Speaker 1: got some shiriffs that extended there and then you guys
Speaker 1: there's like the the Band of Canadians and it turns
Speaker 1: into Yukon. You know, once you get to Yukon, but
Speaker 1: do you find that the further north you go, you
Speaker 1: you tend to get bigger, bigger, you know, bigger hornwise moose.
Speaker 1: Is that is that typical through like BC or is
Speaker 1: it HIT or Miss?
Speaker 3: I think it's totally fair when you take it to
Speaker 3: the extremes for sure. I mean we definitely have those
Speaker 3: Alaska Yukon bloodlines all through a northern band like where
Speaker 3: I was hunting this past fall, that was in like
Speaker 3: Alaska Yukon moose territory. But as you go north, I think,
Speaker 3: you know, there's a lot more opportunity for the populations,
Speaker 3: just not that dense so of people, So moose grow bigger,
Speaker 3: they have good food sources that they don't get kicked
Speaker 3: off of as much. There's a lot less resource activities
Speaker 3: up there, meaning the predators are more in a natural
Speaker 3: balance with the moose. So there's a few things that
Speaker 3: but I think there's some magic in the feed once
Speaker 3: you once you get up into that, you know, those
Speaker 3: red willow flats and that once you once you find that,
Speaker 3: then you're into that transition zone where you you could
Speaker 3: find yourself you know, fifty sixty inch powl for sure.
Speaker 1: Nice nice, yeah, no, you know watching like I said,
Speaker 1: going back to your hunts, you know, you do it
Speaker 1: the hard way. Do you have any like advice for
Speaker 1: you know, we give advice all the time, but like
Speaker 1: advice for people whether you're in Canada or whether you're
Speaker 1: in the USA, like just taking this on.
Speaker 2: You know, it was daunting. Growing up.
Speaker 1: I was more of a industrial timberlands hunter, right, So
Speaker 1: we would drive our rig to a landing, you would
Speaker 1: look at a new fresh clear cut and you would
Speaker 1: hunt your deer and your elk out of that. And
Speaker 1: then as I got into it, you start to realize like, oh,
Speaker 1: I've got to park my truck and walk for seven
Speaker 1: or eight miles, you know, and it was daunting. And
Speaker 1: you know, so I've I've went through this and I've
Speaker 1: talked about my way, but like, do you have any
Speaker 1: good advice for for people that may be wanting to
Speaker 1: you know, explore or kind of you know, tease the
Speaker 1: idea of this backcountry hunting like an approach, you know,
Speaker 1: and we don't have to get gear specific by any means,
Speaker 1: but like, no, you know, things you need to think about,
Speaker 1: things that you need to have you know, good boots, backpack,
Speaker 1: those sort of things, you know, at least like your
Speaker 1: main three. You know, we always talk boots, backpack, shelter,
Speaker 1: sleep system.
Speaker 2: You know what, how how should.
Speaker 1: Somebody approach wanting to get into more of this back
Speaker 1: country hunting?
Speaker 3: And yeah, it's I've been actually doing some backcountry you're
Speaker 3: backpacking one O one sort of PowerPoint presentations to sort
Speaker 3: of help young hunters at some of our local gun
Speaker 3: clubs and stuff. And you know, I really think you
Speaker 3: want you want to bite slow, and you don't want
Speaker 3: to start with the in the hard basket, don't you know?
Speaker 3: If you think your first backcountry hunt's going to be
Speaker 3: mid November, you know fifteen fifteen miles back, you're setting
Speaker 3: yourself up for a challenge you're likely to be bested by.
Speaker 3: I would say so, I think you know, good opportunities
Speaker 3: to cut your teeth on backcountry hunting would be spring
Speaker 3: bear in May, get yourself out there. Yeah, the bugs
Speaker 3: are bad. That's going to build some mental toughness. I
Speaker 3: think you really want to look at before you even
Speaker 3: get into the you know, those are the key gear
Speaker 3: pieces that you're going to be thinking of, you know,
Speaker 3: on top of that you'll want an inReach device. We
Speaker 3: don't have a lot of cell coverage in our back country,
Speaker 3: so you definitely want to be cognstead of that, and
Speaker 3: you want to you want to train like you got
Speaker 3: You gotta want it, like backcountry is sort of and
Speaker 3: you don't have to be a freak, but you gotta
Speaker 3: do something. You can't just come in there cold your
Speaker 3: hip flexors alone, like even a forty pounds pack set
Speaker 3: up on it for a three day weekend hunt. You'll
Speaker 3: you're your hip flexers once you're three four miles into
Speaker 3: that are going to be screaming at you. And with
Speaker 3: a few rocking sessions and some you know, some light
Speaker 3: gym work and stuff, especially at the beginning, until you
Speaker 3: train your body to get used to that. I think
Speaker 3: is essential because if you enjoy the experience, set yourself
Speaker 3: up to make it fairly easy. Earlier mule deer hunts
Speaker 3: in the back country. Not necessarily easy, like you're going
Speaker 3: to come out of there with it here, but easier
Speaker 3: as far as far as it goes. But I think
Speaker 3: you should really try and get towards your line, like
Speaker 3: push yourself, take on some elevation, you know, don't take
Speaker 3: the easy way out and realize that it's not a race.
Speaker 3: You can just pick away. It's amazing how much ground
Speaker 3: you cover. I'm sure you guys you know this when
Speaker 3: you're working your ridges with your Google tubes after Elk
Speaker 3: and then you know you spent the whole day. You
Speaker 3: didn't cut back for a break midday or anything. You
Speaker 3: just wanted to push to a new area. You look
Speaker 3: at your day after that, it's fairly casual. Your body's
Speaker 3: not tore up, and wow, I've covered fifteen ten miles.
Speaker 3: You know that's great, and you know you're gonna sweat,
Speaker 3: You're gonna be uncomfortable. You do, you do need to
Speaker 3: have good boots, Like you can't fake that part. You're
Speaker 3: not gonna make it with you know, going down to
Speaker 3: Target and picking up a pair of plastic boots and
Speaker 3: thinking that's going to do it. It's it's because you're
Speaker 3: carrying the way to the backpack and you need to
Speaker 3: be able to Yeah, you need boots that you can
Speaker 3: cut in and work across slope.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's a great point you made on You know,
Speaker 1: everybody wants to pick off the top hunt, you know,
Speaker 1: or the most difficult hunt right off the bat and
Speaker 1: it's like, no, I mean, there's nothing wrong. Like my
Speaker 1: first backpack hunting for Meal dere here in Washington State
Speaker 1: was three miles up.
Speaker 2: Just got me a little bit further in. You got
Speaker 2: to test your stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, it was more of a mid October hunt,
Speaker 1: so you know what worst case scenario. I I pack
Speaker 1: up and I go back to my truck. You know,
Speaker 1: nothing hurt. And then it's it's crazy. I fast forward,
Speaker 1: you know, after doing it as long as you have
Speaker 1: or as long as I have, and you're like, now,
Speaker 1: I don't really care if I get snowed on twenty
Speaker 1: four inches, Like it's just part of the game, right.
Speaker 1: You've built yourself to that point where you're like, good,
Speaker 1: now now that you're going to stick out like a
Speaker 1: sore thumb, and I'm gonna be able to track them,
Speaker 1: And you know, all these things are good versus.
Speaker 3: Less people are out here. They've been pushed off, you
Speaker 3: know that. But but I think, yeah, you just slowly
Speaker 3: because that that three mile hike in that's that's pretty moderate,
Speaker 3: is not gonna be enough to fully satisfy you. But
Speaker 3: it's good to start with that and to have that
Speaker 3: lack of full satisfaction. Well, that didn't feel fully backcountry. Okay, good.
Speaker 3: Next time it's five miles and it's a little deeper
Speaker 3: and you can work off that same trail. So then
Speaker 3: it feels like you're building because you know, we we
Speaker 3: don't see the entire area our first time into a
Speaker 3: new area. We go and make some focus chunks of it.
Speaker 3: We picked that apart. Okay, now we know how to
Speaker 3: efficiently make it through that terrain, specifically to that spot. Okay,
Speaker 3: so it's easy for us to plan our next pop
Speaker 3: into the next drainage, and then you just have to
Speaker 3: see the next one and the next one, and then yeah,
Speaker 3: it's pretty soon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: I'm reflecting back now, like on that three mile hike in,
Speaker 1: like it was real cold. The next day all my
Speaker 1: water froze up right, I couldn't get the water. Well,
Speaker 1: it's like, all right, I'm three miles in. It's not
Speaker 1: an emergency yet, but let's say not to over dramatize
Speaker 1: that you're ten miles in and can't get to any water,
Speaker 1: but your water's froze. So it's like, oh, I've learned
Speaker 1: over time. I'm just gonna sleep with my water inside
Speaker 1: to sleep, but you know, like I'm gonna boil some jet,
Speaker 1: but you know I'm gonna boil water my jet boil,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to keep that warm all day long
Speaker 1: so it doesn't And it's just crazy, like, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: hard times build tough you know you've always heard the
Speaker 1: saying hard times build tough men.
Speaker 2: Well, it's like backpack camping.
Speaker 1: It's it's very true, like you've been through something similar,
Speaker 1: so nothing's like end of the world, or you've learned
Speaker 1: to adapt. You've learned what's important on these things, and
Speaker 1: it just by doing it but not necessarily starting it
Speaker 1: the absolute hardest level of the hunt.
Speaker 2: You just learn to adapt.
Speaker 1: And it's it's crazy how you almost like condition your
Speaker 1: mind to like, all right, I can get through this.
Speaker 1: I've been through something worse, or it doesn't matter if
Speaker 1: I'm fifteen miles, I'll eventually be able to hike out,
Speaker 1: or you know, we can do these other things. And
Speaker 1: so no, I just wanted to piggyback on that again
Speaker 1: that yeah, pick something, pick something that is doable, not
Speaker 1: you know, there's not huge ramifications if it doesn't work
Speaker 1: out or you don't bring the right gear, and then
Speaker 1: expand on it, expand on a little bit more, and
Speaker 1: you know, realize that you're your tent's not good enough
Speaker 1: to go through another rainstorm like that if you were
Speaker 1: deeper had to actually stay on the mountain. You know,
Speaker 1: you upgrade materials, you upgrade you know, products, and by
Speaker 1: time you're done, you're like, well, it doesn't bother me
Speaker 1: to live out of this thing for ten days in
Speaker 1: the middle of November, like I'm going to be all right.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And the last thing that I was talking to
Speaker 3: a guy a few weeks ago and he said, well,
Speaker 3: I don't you know my friend who who want to
Speaker 3: do this with me? Neither of us have done it,
Speaker 3: so we're just hoping we can find a friend that's
Speaker 3: done it. I said, there's a lot of a lot
Speaker 3: of resources out there to sort of get yourself prepared.
Speaker 3: And then there's gonna be no greater teacher than going
Speaker 3: out freezing your water bottle up, having to go there.
Speaker 3: See that half day, it's not a life and death
Speaker 3: learning that lesson that. It's you know, it's going in
Speaker 3: your sleeping bag or when you're actively hunting through the day.
Speaker 3: I mean, it gets cold late where your water's gonna
Speaker 3: freeze up if it's not inside your puffy yep, So
Speaker 3: I'll just stuff it in there and and then the
Speaker 3: good news is you're working hard, you got your water there.
Speaker 3: It's little things like that that that's why if you
Speaker 3: go slow, you know, the penalty for making those errors
Speaker 3: isn't too great, but it sure builds you up. Now
Speaker 3: you're not gonna free You're gonna learn how to protect
Speaker 3: your water or you know, any other things set in
Speaker 3: your tent up where it doesn't get managing the snow
Speaker 3: when it falls. Hey, if you're in a tepee tent
Speaker 3: and you're not going to manage your snow, it's snowing
Speaker 3: all day, but you want to keep out grinding hiking,
Speaker 3: well you might pay the price when you get back
Speaker 3: in your poles tour right through and you know it's yeah,
Speaker 3: that's what you want to learn a little closer. You
Speaker 3: want to walk out in the dark that three miles
Speaker 3: because your tent's blown up and just say, well, I
Speaker 3: better manage snow better next time because I want to
Speaker 3: go deeper.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Or and then I always look at everything with like,
Speaker 1: what's my emergency action? If this does fail, my sleeping
Speaker 1: bagels probably still be all right even if my tent collapses,
Speaker 1: and I can always start a fire and like lay
Speaker 1: by it to get through the night if I absolutely
Speaker 1: you know. So you're always like, worst case, what what
Speaker 1: are my skills?
Speaker 2: What can I know?
Speaker 1: I can probably get a fire going, you know, And
Speaker 1: so you're always kind of balancing those as well.
Speaker 3: It takes a lot to drive me out of the
Speaker 3: back country. So I've had stuff go wrong and I'm
Speaker 3: faking it together just fine. I just got to get
Speaker 3: through those nights. I've had long nights. The funny thing
Speaker 3: the night before opener when I shot and missed Chap
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three, we slept under my sheep tart,
Speaker 3: no pads, nothing, and you know, I remember in the night,
Speaker 3: I was just had my legs hovering and I was
Speaker 3: scissor kicking as fast as I can just generate body heat.
Speaker 3: It's just waking up the whole time. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: we'll do We'll do crazy.
Speaker 1: I'm similar, I'll do crazy stuff to make sure that
Speaker 1: I bring myself the best chance for success. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you just got to be mentally tough in power through. Well,
Speaker 1: I know you need to probably get back to the
Speaker 1: show where we're coming up here on fifty minutes, So
Speaker 1: I do want to give you a chance to actually
Speaker 1: tell people how they can get a hold of you,
Speaker 1: how they can find your stuff.
Speaker 2: Watching all of that.
Speaker 3: Sure, like I mean the HIGHB Just search high BC
Speaker 3: on YouTube you'll you'll come across our channel. We are.
Speaker 3: We are experiencing a pretty nice growth curve right now.
Speaker 3: So that's been fun to see and the community grow
Speaker 3: also on Instagram at high Underscore BC Underscore Hunting, and
Speaker 3: then we're I signed for a second season on h
Speaker 3: on Wild TV, which is our Canadian hunting network show there,
Speaker 3: so so I'll be on there again this year. It
Speaker 3: all seems like it's the world's spinning pretty fast. Like
Speaker 3: even sitting on this podcast like that, that didn't even
Speaker 3: seem imaginable.
Speaker 2: So I know you're here.
Speaker 1: We go good, Like we talked offline a little bit,
Speaker 1: like you know, we I get asked a lot like
Speaker 1: how do I get an hunting industry? How do I
Speaker 1: get an interview with you? And I'm like I told you,
Speaker 1: I'm like, just go do cool stuff like go go
Speaker 1: chase it down and like we'll note it, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll notice or we'll we'll eventually get put in touch
Speaker 1: and and so yeah, that's that's what we'll close with that. Actually,
Speaker 1: like you mentioned it, just go do cool stuff and
Speaker 1: you had your own little spin on that, and I'll
Speaker 1: let you sign us off here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Well, thanks everyone for listening, and thanks again
Speaker 3: for this opportunity and look forward to seeing you everyone
Speaker 3: out in the hills. Let's get after it.