1 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: Welcome into another edition of the Huddle Up Podcast. JP Shadwick, 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: John Ozier in Jacksonville from the Hyundai studios at the 3 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: Miller Electric Center. Bucky Brooks with us in Los Angeles. 4 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: A lot coming up today. Host Draft will take a 5 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:19,799 Speaker 1: look at the draft picks, of course, and phase two 6 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: of the offseason program underway. We'll hear from Cam Robinson 7 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: in just a little bit, Bucky, the draft is over, 8 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: but your work is only beginning. It sounds like, what's. 9 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 2: Up, what's going on? Guys? Yeah, No, it's all the beginning. 10 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 3: Like this is a fun part of the process, Like 11 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 3: we speculate for so long and then we finally get 12 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 3: to see where the players land. And so now we 13 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,319 Speaker 3: have a great idea of hey, what role they're gonna play, 14 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 3: what scheme they're gonna play, and who's gonna coach him? 15 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 3: And what culture are they stepping into? And so that's great. 16 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 3: And as it relates to the Jaguars, you begin to 17 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 3: make some themes, right, themes of the picks and what's 18 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 3: going on and what were they thinking? And I think 19 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 3: the theme was bigger, longer, stronger, faster, like it was 20 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 3: a concerted effort to beef up the front line. They 21 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 3: want to be more physical so they can kind of 22 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 3: play bully ball. We always talked about it internally, but 23 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 3: now they appear to put draft capital behind that, particularly 24 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 3: with the d line and then on the outside. To me, 25 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 3: it's about making sure that Trevor Lawrence has enough weapons 26 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 3: to play at a high level this year and in 27 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 3: the near future. 28 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 4: What did we learn about the defense, Bucky, about what 29 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 4: it's going to be From what. 30 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 3: They drafted, I think you can tell that obviously it's 31 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 3: going to be a shift to a four man front. 32 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 3: You could also tell that they want to be more 33 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 3: physical on the interior. 34 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:43,119 Speaker 2: The two big bodies on the inside allows. 35 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 3: Them to kind of move into maybe an even or 36 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 3: an overfront, where in the past they were always in 37 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 3: that three or five man front that they were running under. 38 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 3: The previous defense coordinator call, well, well, now this is 39 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 3: clear that they want to be stout inside. They want 40 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 3: to be able to kind of put their hands on 41 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 3: people and kind of dominate and control everything. Get the 42 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 3: line of scrimmage, and it tells me that, look, Josh 43 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 3: Allen Trevan Walker, they're gonna be on the outside. I 44 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 3: think being outside primarily because you don't have kind of 45 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 3: like that other edge rusher to be able to come 46 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 3: in and spell them, which is good, more opportunities for them. 47 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 3: But I think it's really really clear that it's going 48 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 3: to be a bigger, more physical front, and it's gonna 49 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 3: be a forman front, Bucky. 50 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: I've heard more than one time since the draft just 51 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: around town fans some of them are like, I thought 52 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: we were getting a corner early cornerback. That was the 53 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: big position that everybody had heard going into the draft. 54 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 1: Well they waited until round three and a little later 55 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: in round five. So you know where do they stand 56 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: at cornerback right now in your opinion? 57 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 3: Well, I was saying John and I had this conversation 58 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 3: the other day, but look, the front impacts the back 59 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 3: end far more than. 60 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 2: The back end can impact the front. 61 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 3: So when you can generate pressure, when you can stop 62 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 3: the run on early downs, it really alleviate some of 63 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:06,119 Speaker 3: the pressure on the secondary. So committing the early picks 64 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,519 Speaker 3: to defensive lineman before you really go and get the cornerback, 65 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 3: that's okay. The cornerback that you get from Florida State, 66 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 3: Jones is really athletic. He's a natural slot defender. He 67 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 3: has experienced playing that position, and when you kind of projected, 68 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 3: you have Antonio Johnson who played the nickel last year, 69 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 3: but maybe he's the big nickel when they're playing against 70 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 3: teams that are more likely to run the football. But 71 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 3: maybe it's a better matchup to have the bigger nick 72 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 3: on the field with three safeties. Maybe Antonio Johnson is 73 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 3: that nickel. Jones comes in and he has played more 74 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 3: of the little nickel where he matches up on the 75 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 3: slot receiver. He can go nose to nose. He's quick, 76 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 3: he's athletic, he's instinctive, does a really good job playing 77 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 3: in there. Great tackler on the perimeter, which is also essential. 78 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 3: So I love that the old Miss kid is interesting 79 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 3: because he's a fifth round pick. But then when you 80 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 3: look at the dimensions six to one, four to three. 81 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 2: Speed, one hundred and ninety pounds, like he has. 82 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 3: The prototypical traits that have succeeded on the PM in 83 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 3: this system. And I think it's important to know that 84 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 3: when Christopher shar was in Seattle as secondary coach, they 85 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 3: had a lot of success with like those later round 86 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 3: day three picks, thinking about Richard Sherman, Brian Maxwell, they 87 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 3: have Walter Thurman, so they have had success finding those 88 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 3: laid round guys that had the traits and the characteristics 89 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 3: to play the position well. To me, he falls in 90 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 3: line with that, and so I'm really encouraged. 91 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 2: By what he can bring to the table. 92 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 3: I think both of those young guys have opportunity to 93 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 3: get on the field and play right away. 94 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 4: Okay, I want to circle back to Brian Thomas in 95 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 4: a minute, but as you were talking, it strikes me that, 96 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 4: you know, affecting the quarterback first and having that be 97 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 4: sort of the basis of your defense. Isn't that the 98 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 4: way that Trent has had success drafting in the past, 99 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 4: Meaning he's always been his reputation has been as sort 100 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 4: of a pass rush defensive lineman. Hits a lot of 101 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 4: home runs with those. It strikes me that he's probably 102 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 4: comfortable building for this kind of a scheme. Amy putting 103 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 4: too much into that or does that make sense? 104 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 3: No, everybody has and scouting everyone has something that well, 105 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 3: I mean, we could kind of call it like like 106 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 3: we all have a sweet tooth, right John, Like we 107 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 3: all have a thing that we tend to favor more. 108 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 3: We tend to be really really good at finding and 109 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 3: identifying what works for us. And maybe he has a 110 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 3: thing for defensive linemen and guys up front because he 111 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 3: knows this, she knows exactly what he wants. Maybe he's 112 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 3: had enough examples in the past, like success stories, that 113 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 3: he's able kind of to follow the blueprint to lead 114 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 3: him to find the other guys that will have success. 115 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 3: When I look at this front line now as it's 116 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 3: presently constructed. 117 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 2: One, they are big, they're long, They're. 118 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 3: The kind of group that you want to see when 119 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 3: they get off the bus, you know. And so now 120 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 3: it's about turning on the tape and you see a 121 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 3: physical team, a team that kind of knocks people back, 122 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 3: particularly those the young draftees man they knock him off 123 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 3: the ball. They do a really good job of playing 124 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 3: on the other side of the line scrimmage. And I 125 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 3: think when you add them with Eric Armstead and Josh 126 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 3: Allen and the Trayvon Walker, who all specialized in physicality, 127 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 3: you now kind of change the tenor of your team. 128 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 3: And I think that has really been a big theme. 129 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 3: I think it was something that Doug wanted to see. 130 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 3: Wants to see a more physical team, a team that 131 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 3: imposes their will some of the disappointment at the end 132 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 3: of the year was the team got knocked around at 133 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 3: the end, couldn't stop the running those games where everyone 134 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 3: knew that the running game was gonna be a big 135 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 3: part of it. So everything that has taken place in 136 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 3: the offseason has been designed to address the issues that 137 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 3: popped up at the end of the year, from the 138 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 3: physicality and toughness to I a would say the maturity 139 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 3: and the professionalism. All of those things have been a 140 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 3: big part of the equation when it came to the 141 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 3: players that were required for the free agency, also in 142 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 3: the dry and. 143 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 4: JP we talked about them all weekend, but we've yet 144 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 4: to ask Bucky about Brian Thomas. 145 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. So Brian Thomas, you know, tall, fast, smart, everything 146 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: you want and a wide receiver and you know BACKI 147 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: talked about, Okay, he doesn't have to contribute right away. 148 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: He can help out. There's enough depth here. And then 149 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: Jay Jones is released this week, so I guess Brian 150 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: Thomas will have to step in there pretty quick. 151 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 3: Now, yeah, step in there, But understand this, like, it's 152 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 3: not a situation where he's to step in to be 153 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 3: the number one receiver. 154 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 2: This is an offense that. 155 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 3: Would like to operate without a true number one. They 156 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 3: would like to do it by committee. And in doing 157 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 3: it by committee, I would think the guys that naturally 158 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 3: take the lead would be Christian Kirk and Evan Ingram, 159 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 3: Brian Thomas and Gabe Davis on the field at the 160 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 3: same time. With those two though, they can create what 161 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 3: I call space. They'll create space because they're the vertical playmakers. 162 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 3: Both of those guys excel that making the plays deep 163 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 3: down the field. Brian Thomas's got over sixteen yards catch 164 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 3: as a knack for really putting the ball in the 165 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 3: paying seventeen touchdowns this final season at LSU, and then 166 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 3: we gave Davis. You talk about someone who look man, 167 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 3: the antig career is ever sixteen point seven yards per catch. 168 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 3: He has twenty seven touchdowns. What that does is that 169 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 3: forces the secondary to back up. And for so long 170 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 3: the Jaguars have play half court basketball on the offense, right, 171 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 3: no deep ball element. Everything is like man, you Nickel 172 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 3: and Diamond having to really move the ball down the 173 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 3: field without the dimension of the explosive play. Well, now, 174 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 3: the explosive play because Thomas and gave Davis excel at 175 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 3: catching the ball down the field. 176 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 2: That forces the defense back up. 177 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 3: That creates more space with Christian Kirk and Evan Ingram 178 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 3: to get busy, and it also creates more room for 179 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 3: Travessey Atienne in the running backs to find room against 180 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 3: lighter boxes. 181 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 4: Bucky for the person who maybe doesn't scout as heavily 182 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 4: as you do, meaning me, how much better at getting 183 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 4: deep are Gabe Davis and Thomas than what they had 184 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 4: last year? And we've seen deep passes, they've hit stuff, 185 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 4: But how much scarier these two than their best two 186 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 4: deep guys last year? 187 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 2: Well, the difference was the deep balls in. 188 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 3: The past manufactured, meaning you had to get on the 189 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 3: white board, you had to drop up a play, you 190 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 3: had the trick of dB to get past them to 191 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 3: set them up. And so that takes a lot of 192 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,319 Speaker 3: work if you're press Taylor and Doug Peterson to come 193 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 3: up with a handful of plays each week that are 194 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 3: going to result in a deep ball. 195 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 2: These guys are naturally talented. 196 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 3: These guys are supreme athletes, so you have to respect 197 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 3: their speed. Brian Thomas, I think he recorded the fastest 198 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 3: miles per hour on goal balls at the combine, Like 199 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 3: faster that you're saying, so you just think about the 200 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 3: speed that he's gonna bring and how. 201 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 2: You have to back up and respect that. 202 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 3: Gabe Davis, we seen go big during the time at Buffalo, 203 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 3: catching deep balls. 204 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 2: And the like. 205 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 3: So that that changes the equation because those plays can 206 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 3: come without scripting. 207 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 2: Those Hey, I'm better than this guy. I'm just gonna 208 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 2: run past them, Trevor throwd up. Those are the easy plays. 209 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 2: Those are the plays that you would like. 210 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 3: To have rather than Oh, I got to do a 211 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 3: double move and we're gonna set this concept that we're. 212 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 2: Gonna run it early then come back and run. 213 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 3: A double move off of it. That is harder, that's 214 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 3: more calculated. What you would like to think is that 215 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 3: you would get more organic, big plays and and that 216 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 3: will lead to not only more points, but more opportunities 217 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 3: for Christian Kirk and Evan Ingram to find space to 218 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 3: be able to move the change like they are accustomed 219 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 3: to doing working in the slot. 220 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 2: JP. 221 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 4: You didn't cover Bucket when he played. I cover him 222 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 4: for a minute. He uh, you know. In addition to 223 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 4: all of his other strengths, which is scout you know, 224 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 4: GM coach, he was a special teams guy. Yeah, they 225 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 4: play a lot of special teams and he is here. 226 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 4: So I have a question for the ex special teams guy. 227 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 4: How much did special teams play a role, not just 228 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 4: with the Jags taking Robinson but overall in the draft. 229 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 4: Did you see that trend? 230 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it absolutely was a trend. 231 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 3: It's really important it's back in the game and that 232 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 3: you know, that's something another thing they want to make 233 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 3: a conservative put that back into the game. 234 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 2: Make it a big. 235 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 3: Part of the gameplay, but also a part of the evaluation. 236 00:10:58,080 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 3: Let's get some of these special teams on the field. 237 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 3: Let's se more big plays, more splash plays. Well with Robinson, 238 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 3: he can do the average twenty two and a half 239 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,959 Speaker 3: yards per kick return, fast as all get up, quick 240 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:09,959 Speaker 3: as a hiccup, and so that is going to create 241 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 3: more opportunities. Even though it's natural to assume that Devin 242 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 3: Jubernet is going to be your returner, when you have 243 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 3: someone who can do what Robinson has shown that he 244 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 3: could do during the. 245 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 2: Time in Texas, you intrigue and so maybe he can. 246 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 3: Become the tricks and gadget guy as as a regular 247 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 3: offensive player, and then he can add something in the 248 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 3: kicking game. 249 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: We need hickout yeah, two kick returners. Now though the 250 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 1: way it's the rule is so he'll certainly have a 251 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: chance to compete for that. 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We're 256 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: back quicker than a hiccup to talk about the offseason 257 00:11:55,720 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: program in phase two after this, Welcome back to huddle up, JP, Shadwick, 258 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: Don Osier, Bucky Brooks, Luke Combs, growing up and getting 259 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: old to her at the Bank arrives May third and 260 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: May fourth, that's Friday and Saturday, different special guests each night. 261 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: They're loading in now. The stage is being built on 262 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: the field at EverBank Stadium. There are tickets available EverBank 263 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: Stadium dot com. 264 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 4: Are you hitting that? 265 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: JP? 266 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,839 Speaker 4: Luke Combs guy, we'll see you're an event guy. You're 267 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 4: a big event guy. Like if the if you're not there, 268 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 4: the event is less big. 269 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: I don't think that's even close to the It doesn't 270 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: make any sense. 271 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 4: It's no if you're not there, the event doesn't have 272 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:39,319 Speaker 4: the same. 273 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: Wow, are you going, I'm not coming, Bucky? Are you 274 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: a country music guy? 275 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 2: Well, you know, there are a couple guys that I 276 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,079 Speaker 2: could probably rock with. You know, Luke Combs is one 277 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 2: of those. 278 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 4: Okay, all right, Well, if you were in town, you know, 279 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 4: it's a shame you're on the other side of the country. 280 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, that off season program continues. It's phase two. I 281 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: caught up with Kim Robinson yesterday, the Jags veteran left tackle. 282 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: It's a veteran group up front and getting even more 283 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: so this offseason. But how does this offensive line take 284 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: the next step? 285 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 5: Is chemistry? This is simple as that it's just the 286 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 5: same five guys playing together, down in and down out, 287 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 5: just getting those reps. I mean it's kind of hard 288 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 5: to That kind of gets lost in the people don't 289 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 5: realize how much upfront you really got to be a unit. 290 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 5: So I mean, if we're interchanging guys in and out, 291 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 5: or we're there's never any inconsistency about if it's never 292 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 5: any consistency about what we're doing, it's gonna be hard 293 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 5: to kind of form that bun and just all of 294 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 5: us working as one. So the same five guys, you know, 295 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 5: getting these reps as it's invaluable. 296 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, they didn't have that starting lineup that they 297 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: truly wanted Bucky except for like one game last year, 298 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: and Cam Robinson missed a month at the start of 299 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: the season, suspended a month in December with the a 300 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: knee issue, and you know there were guys coming and 301 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: going in the middle of the line all year. They've 302 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: got a new center. Now, that's about getting that cohesion going, 303 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: and it starts right now, especially in phase two, and 304 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: they're actually out on the field with some coaches. Yeah, 305 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: you're not pushing people around, but you get the idea. 306 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it's important. It's a unit that really is 307 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 3: dependent upon everybody. You know, we talked about vultring. All 308 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 3: the pieces connect to make one. Cam Robinson was talking 309 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 3: about that when you have veteran players, and remember Ezra. 310 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 2: Cleveland came in during the middle of the year. 311 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 3: Cam Robinson missed the first part of the year, so 312 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 3: they didn't have that cohesion where they could build it 313 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 3: over the course of OTAs and training camp and those things. 314 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 3: It's really important that this unit operates together where they 315 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 3: can develop enough chemistry where they can finish each other's sentence. 316 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 3: That's how the offensive line has to be. 317 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 2: They have to be connected like that. So this gives 318 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 2: them an opportunity to do it. 319 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 3: And I actually like the fact that it's a more 320 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 3: veteran laden offensive line, one work more experience. I think 321 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 3: that matters down to stretch. I think we saw the 322 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 3: struggles with the offense down the stretch. Sometimes when you 323 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 3: have a bunch of kind of gray bears, they can 324 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 3: kind of figure out the things without having to go. 325 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 2: To the sideline with the coaches. 326 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 3: I kind of like the way the unit is president constructed, 327 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 3: even though Antoine Harrison is young guy still kind of 328 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 3: making his way in the league. 329 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, and to me, Ezra's kind of the key. I 330 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 4: got a lot of questions in the ozone about well, 331 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 4: they're running it back with only one change with his morse. 332 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 4: I think the people building this sort of consider Ezra 333 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 4: a change and that you really didn't see. He played 334 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 4: what the last six seven games JP, but he it 335 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 4: felt like he was in and out, like I guess 336 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 4: he played six, but it didn't feel like he played 337 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 4: that much because he was hurt and then he kicked 338 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 4: out to left tackle one game. Never had a chance 339 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 4: to be in there with any sort of a rhythm. 340 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 4: So I think they would tell you they feel like 341 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 4: they've revamped center and right guard or I'm sorry, left guard. 342 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 4: And then the chance to get Cam, you know, and 343 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 4: everybody would say getting guys in there for the entire season. 344 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 4: Cam without four games and came back and then he 345 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 4: was out another four and then he never really got 346 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 4: back at the end quite the way he was. The 347 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 4: scrip needs continuity, So that's that's my thought, Jamie. 348 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: That's right, and it starts now. So phase two is here, Bucky. 349 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: Three weeks, four days per week, four hours per day, 350 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: ninety minutes on the field. Coaches are allowed, there's walk 351 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: through only. No helmets, but if you're using the judge machine, 352 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: you can elect to wear a helmet. No offense versus defense, 353 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: No one on ones individual periods are allowed now, so 354 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: some football kind of things are happening. 355 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 2: Finally, Yeah, this is a good part. 356 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 3: But this is a part where you can really work 357 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 3: on your individual development. This is where you work on 358 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 3: your footwork, your hand placement. DB's are working on their 359 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 3: terms and transitions to trying to work on the little 360 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 3: nuances of playing the game. 361 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 2: And then you're trying to put the big kind of 362 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 2: the pieces of. 363 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 3: The puzzle together for when you are able to get 364 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 3: together and have team work so you can go through it. 365 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 2: You can have kind of like these. 366 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 3: I'll call them hyper speed walkthroughs, and you're trying to 367 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 3: set the table for when you can start competing going 368 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 3: seven on seven and eleven on eleven. 369 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 2: But it's a really. 370 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 3: Important part, particularly when you're putting in a new scheme, 371 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 3: to get to know each other and to finally understand 372 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 3: what you're being asked to do within the scheme. 373 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 4: I have no comment on Facebook. 374 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: So this is this is if you're Alley John, I 375 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: thought you were an expert. 376 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 4: Well, yes, go out there work individually. If you show 377 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 4: up great, If not, if you're working from home, I'm 378 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 4: fine with that too. Volunteerybody hearing that, but at it 379 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 4: as long as you're working and doing your own thing, 380 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 4: like I think Josh Allen's gonna be the whole OTA 381 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 4: is off season. If he's getting his work done, shows 382 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 4: up ready, I'm fine, Sure he will. Now, Bucky the 383 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 4: team guy didn't like that, but I'm fine with that. 384 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: We'll let that one go. I suppose Bucky. Thanks as always, 385 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: we'll talk to you again next time. 386 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 2: Say we're talking you guys. 387 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 1: All right, Bucky's out of here. He's at work, going 388 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: on NFL network interviews. 389 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 4: You've got more important things to is than our sorry butts, 390 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 4: good show. 391 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 1: Yes it was. Let's do it again. That's John Osier, 392 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks. Thanks to Joe fortunate out of a Brent Reaper, 393 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: and thanks to you for listening to Huddle Up.