Speaker 1: If the money was right, would y'all do a BT
Speaker 1: comic view set?
Speaker 2: If the money was wrong?
Speaker 3: If the money is wrong, you love it that much
Speaker 3: that you're like, Nah, I'll go do it tonight.
Speaker 2: I need seven dollars. I get seven minutes to yeah,
Speaker 2: just to do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, damn. I think I would do it out of
Speaker 3: ego more than out of genuine belief that I would
Speaker 3: do well enjoy it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I don't think it's going to like take
Speaker 2: my career to the next level or anything like that,
Speaker 2: more than I would even kill. But you know, you
Speaker 2: gotta do it.
Speaker 3: I if they offered it, I think I do fine,
Speaker 3: But I don't think that I'd be like j sliding
Speaker 3: his dick, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Same set that chips in your.
Speaker 4: Qualitys are racists. The money turkey stuff, I can't tell me.
Speaker 2: But did it did that.
Speaker 5: That?
Speaker 3: Dude?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Ye yay.
Speaker 2: There it is.
Speaker 6: There.
Speaker 2: It is ladies.
Speaker 3: And gentlemen, gentiles and little mamas alike.
Speaker 2: There it is.
Speaker 3: Welcome to another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told.
Speaker 2: Me, the podcast where we dive deep into the pockets
Speaker 2: of black conspiracy theories and.
Speaker 3: We finally work to prove that what Will Smith is
Speaker 3: experiencing is in fact a lingering curse from the dark
Speaker 3: skinned and bim that bitch play on him some some
Speaker 3: thirty years years ago for the bullshit he was proving,
Speaker 3: and all of this is the fallout from that curse.
Speaker 2: And I know they've made up.
Speaker 3: I know they squashed the beef in a public sense,
Speaker 3: but what she fucking felt all those years ago, for
Speaker 3: the way that she that he played her, that's a
Speaker 3: curse that can't be lifted, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: That ain't that ain't going nowhere. Just because y'all hugged
Speaker 3: on HBO Max, I'm Lnston Kerrman.
Speaker 2: I'm David Bori, and I would argue what he was
Speaker 2: experiencing was that Dwayne Martin, he was murdering his ship.
Speaker 2: He was like, I don't even like that ship, but
Speaker 2: he was.
Speaker 7: He was like, bro, just as a fan of the game,
Speaker 7: a fan of backshit as a profession, that Nigga was
Speaker 7: killing him.
Speaker 8: I couldn't believe that was what because you know Twitter
Speaker 8: or Twitter gives you just the phrase, and it was
Speaker 8: like he was he was killing him as like a
Speaker 8: trending topic.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, all right, this is gonna get sad.
Speaker 3: This is gonna be a fucking like something related to
Speaker 3: evil in Palestine right now, Like it's gonna be some
Speaker 3: ugly shit, And instead it was just the greatest video
Speaker 3: that could be out right now.
Speaker 2: I get it though, because I've just you've seen like
Speaker 2: animals before, you'd be like, God, damn, I'm just killing
Speaker 2: that Yeah, that's a that's a wild dome.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, that dog ain't got no home training.
Speaker 2: Thank god, they're outside.
Speaker 3: Here's what I'll say, And we have to introduce our guests,
Speaker 3: and frankly, if you want to jump, and you're more
Speaker 3: than welcome. We realize that this is a this is
Speaker 3: a trendy topic to leave you just waiting on. But
Speaker 3: I will say, I will say that it makes me
Speaker 3: sad if if true, And obviously there's there's plenty of
Speaker 3: reason to believe that this is just made up from
Speaker 3: a toxic man upset about losing his relationship with Will Smith.
Speaker 3: But if true, I will say, it breaks my heart
Speaker 3: that they don't get to kill each other in a public,
Speaker 3: safe way, that they can't truly be honest about the
Speaker 3: relationship that they obviously had.
Speaker 2: Oh you think Will Smith was trying to kill as
Speaker 2: well as be killed. No, no, no, I don't think he's switching.
Speaker 3: I think if will Smith gets killed like that, he
Speaker 3: just stays killed like that. But I'm saying I wish
Speaker 3: that their partnership could be honest out in the world
Speaker 3: and not just something that an assistant would walk in
Speaker 3: on and then say on a sad podcast. Do you think, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't think you can clap cheeks the way he
Speaker 3: described it, and and anyone is unaware there was due
Speaker 3: to a season thrown all over the walls, the floor,
Speaker 3: the ceiling in a stunt.
Speaker 6: That's that's the smell of passion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get nobody supposed to be here.
Speaker 3: We Oh, I just want I just want them to
Speaker 3: be in love, man, I really do.
Speaker 2: I don't think love was what was going on in there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Man.
Speaker 3: Killing this ship our guest today to bring you Sorry, sorry, bro,
Speaker 3: this is I cannot. I wish I could tell you
Speaker 3: that this was a unique experience, and you are this
Speaker 3: was some sort of personal thing to you.
Speaker 2: It is not.
Speaker 3: We rarely set anybody up for a comfortable entrance.
Speaker 2: That's a problem.
Speaker 3: It's we just be talking and then we and then
Speaker 3: afterwards we're like, damn, whoo, all right, well this has
Speaker 3: nothing to do with with this very funny person we've
Speaker 3: asked to be here, but here we are. Our guest
Speaker 3: today is so fucking funny.
Speaker 2: He's great.
Speaker 3: You know him from Comedy Central. You know him, and
Speaker 3: this is important. This is a little bit of of
Speaker 3: of I can what is it?
Speaker 2: I can agraphy? What's the word that? That's it?
Speaker 3: This nigga's an icon right now and not getting enough
Speaker 3: credit for it. He is the first, as far as
Speaker 3: I know, the first black beard in history. Stars in
Speaker 3: a Postmates commercial proving it documented.
Speaker 2: Ain't no, ain't been no black black Beard before.
Speaker 3: This, nigga.
Speaker 5: Give it up for our guest, mister Keith Johnson.
Speaker 1: You want me to say the line? Yes, oh we
Speaker 1: go be pilligent. We gonna be pilligent people all the time.
Speaker 9: Man, I got it.
Speaker 6: Up.
Speaker 2: There There are two real black icons. Man. All that
Speaker 2: was Big Dog. He had a run.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I met him one time. Really he wasn't interested.
Speaker 3: Okay, damn.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, He's like, I'm not gonna talk to you
Speaker 2: about that. No, I just I didn't even say anything
Speaker 2: about all Start. We were recording in the same studio
Speaker 2: because that's where he does them. Yeah, but he can
Speaker 2: see in your eyes you wanted it too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you didn't respect him the way he wants to
Speaker 3: be respected.
Speaker 2: I think I was too much respect.
Speaker 3: Oh you think this was like overwhelming?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And he had just hopped out of a Porsche.
Speaker 2: I was leaving in an uber.
Speaker 3: Okay, I got.
Speaker 2: Keith. Yeah, man, man.
Speaker 6: I caught up on the Will Smith news.
Speaker 1: That's why I came in kind of blind to it,
Speaker 1: and now I'm seeing it.
Speaker 6: No, you didn't you do that? And I was like, okay,
Speaker 6: but it makes sense. It does make sense, And I think.
Speaker 1: That's why he played Yeah, he played quiet for so
Speaker 1: long because he got secrets.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jada, I believe Today a video came out of
Speaker 3: Jada leaving a building and a paparazzi person asking her
Speaker 3: what you what do you think of these these allegations whatever,
Speaker 3: and she stops in the street and says, suing, we
Speaker 3: were suing or suing that shit or some shit like
Speaker 3: truly is like being vocally like what the fuck?
Speaker 2: That's all of it? Yeah, that was crazy.
Speaker 3: I didn't know it was going to reach this level.
Speaker 2: I thought you didn't think it was going to reach
Speaker 2: this level.
Speaker 3: No, I you know what, they for years never paid
Speaker 3: attention to anything anyone said about them. It used to
Speaker 3: be that they ignored everything, which is how they kept
Speaker 3: their problems so quiet. And then the post table, red
Speaker 3: table talk era they transformed into now we will address
Speaker 3: every single rumor about us, and I didn't. I'm still
Speaker 3: not used to that with them. I thought maybe they
Speaker 3: would just ignore it like they had when they were
Speaker 3: true fucking powerhouse people in the industry.
Speaker 6: Now they're messy bitches who loved drawing. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a weird energy that shifted and that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeh man.
Speaker 3: Fuck were you a Will Smith guy?
Speaker 6: Yeah, big Willie style.
Speaker 1: I bumped the I bumped the Men in Black album,
Speaker 1: Watch all the movies Fresh Prince. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: kind of a conspiracy theory, but I think the two
Speaker 1: black archetypes in Hollywood right now are It's either you're
Speaker 1: a Will Smith guy you know you got the jeans
Speaker 1: with the big Jordan's on, or you're a Kanye guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah so you have you had. These are the two,
Speaker 1: you know, cultural icons that we followed.
Speaker 2: So damn, yeah, damn, that's heartbreaking. The two.
Speaker 6: We're done.
Speaker 2: Fuck yeah, you're not wrong.
Speaker 3: I definitely. I mean I rode for them separately but
Speaker 3: equally at various points in my life.
Speaker 2: We have I would say, I don't even feel like
Speaker 2: I rode for Will Smith because it was such a
Speaker 2: given right. Does that make sense? Like people, when people
Speaker 2: would be like, I'm a Will Smith man, I'd be like, yeah,
Speaker 2: shut up, loser, every good. I remember I had a
Speaker 2: teacher in eighth grade and she was like, I Will
Speaker 2: Smith and he doesn't cut in his wraps. And I
Speaker 2: was like, shut up, bitch, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Because it was just like it was so ingrained in
Speaker 2: the culture that you didn't even have to like acknowledge it,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: He just was for such a specific era. He was
Speaker 3: such a defining type of cool that like I don't
Speaker 3: know that I'll ever undo from my head, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. Like he was the coolest motherfucker on
Speaker 3: the plane my brain, and and that can't be fixed.
Speaker 3: Like I still watch them old episodes, I'd be like
Speaker 3: this nigga cool man, God damn things, just fucking cool.
Speaker 2: He was cool. But here's the problem for me. He
Speaker 2: was so cool that I felt like such the other
Speaker 2: that I never related to gotcha. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: He was so cool. It was past being aspirational, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like, I'm a Jeffrey guy from
Speaker 2: that guy.
Speaker 3: I think I in my head and I think this
Speaker 3: is probably the ego of comedians and people who want
Speaker 3: to be fucking stars like us.
Speaker 5: I think I did think I could be that cool someday.
Speaker 2: Damn.
Speaker 3: I think I didn't think I was at the time.
Speaker 3: I think I understood my place. But I was like, nah,
Speaker 3: if I if I get a few things together, I.
Speaker 2: Mean yeah, like if you got the right team. Yeah,
Speaker 2: in my brain, I was like, nah, I get next Summers,
Speaker 2: Like if I get an agent. If I get an agent,
Speaker 2: I can have Dwayne Martin.
Speaker 6: It's just me.
Speaker 1: The moment I realized Will Smith was cool was it
Speaker 1: was the I think it was a pilot episode and
Speaker 1: he sat down at the piano and he had his
Speaker 1: tux seed on with the Georgia and he started playing
Speaker 1: for at least and You're like, yo, he got gears, bro,
Speaker 1: he got depth that was like black depth that we've
Speaker 1: never seen before. You know, he could play the piano too.
Speaker 1: He taking him for granted.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, we could just rap man man. Yeah
Speaker 2: he had it. Yeah, this is hard, this is they
Speaker 2: ain't got it no more.
Speaker 3: Anyway.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have Will Smith apologies just like we had
Speaker 1: like the older generation had, oh like Bill Cosby, Like, no,
Speaker 1: he didn't do it, he didn't do it.
Speaker 2: We're gonna be like, well, he's complicated, he's heard. It
Speaker 2: pumps me out that Dwayne Martin was doing. But you
Speaker 2: think he could have gone. I'm not against Dwayne.
Speaker 3: You think he was lowering his I think I.
Speaker 2: Think he could have gotten somebody a little more.
Speaker 3: Remember what a rising start doing, ain't Martin was when
Speaker 3: they began their relationship.
Speaker 2: That's true, Like he had what he only had a
Speaker 2: couple of basketball movies at that point, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think he seemed like a dude probably,
Speaker 3: you know, on the fucking way right.
Speaker 2: Right above the rim just came out. You know what.
Speaker 3: It reminds me of remember in the in the the
Speaker 3: fucking Jordan doc that the Bulls doc that they just did.
Speaker 3: Remember on the bus when Michael Jordan's listening to the
Speaker 3: music and he's.
Speaker 2: Dancing like this.
Speaker 3: Forget he's just doing this ship first time and then
Speaker 3: and it's like, Michael, what are you listening to He says, huh, oh,
Speaker 3: it's that new Kenny.
Speaker 2: No, wait, no, it'smore but it's that new Kenny Lettimore.
Speaker 3: And everybody's like, oh ship Kenny, let him Moore, he
Speaker 3: got the new thing.
Speaker 2: It ain't even out yet, and nobody gives a fuck about.
Speaker 3: Kenny Lattimore anymore, you know what I mean. But at
Speaker 3: the time Michael Jordan was fucking getting new Kenny.
Speaker 2: Latimore doing that weird dance. I realized we never seen
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan dance, like for real. Yes, we're there, right right,
Speaker 2: right right? He always Yeah.
Speaker 1: When did he When do you think he like shifted
Speaker 1: to becoming like a bad dresser.
Speaker 2: I think as soon as he got any modicum of
Speaker 2: control over his dress, Yeah, I agree? Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: Like I think when he was in the height of it,
Speaker 2: he had no he was not picking clothes or designs
Speaker 2: or anything. I think as soon as like he could
Speaker 2: pick the jeans, I think yeah.
Speaker 3: And I also I think it was that in that
Speaker 3: it became a shift between Nike and the Jordan brand
Speaker 3: being tethered together and Nike and the Jordan brand separating.
Speaker 3: Right right after the separation, Nike stopped having control, and
Speaker 3: he's just a dude in charge. So he's like, I
Speaker 3: don't need a fucking stylist. I'm not paying for a
Speaker 3: fucking stylist. I'll dress myself. I'm the goddamn CEO. And
Speaker 3: them jeans got so thick.
Speaker 2: You remember how ambitious, You remember how how ambitious Jordan
Speaker 2: Brand was in the early odds. Yeah, I was watching
Speaker 2: an episode of King and Queen's the other day and
Speaker 2: the black dude was wearing a Jordan turtleneck and jeans,
Speaker 2: and you were like, whoa, we thought he could give
Speaker 2: us that, like a turtleneck.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he became Republican.
Speaker 6: That's when it shifted.
Speaker 1: And he's like, you know what, Yeah, come on, baby, Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think he became Republican after that first championship I was.
Speaker 3: I think he was like, oh I didn't I ain't
Speaker 3: got to care about nothing.
Speaker 2: No, I think it was after the first check. Oh.
Speaker 3: You think immediately in the NBA he was like, fuck
Speaker 3: these niggas back home.
Speaker 2: I think so. You never he doesn't have like even
Speaker 2: to his credit, even Will Smith has like a Charlie
Speaker 2: Mac you know what I mean, friends, friends from Philadelphia.
Speaker 2: You don't hear about nobody hanging out with Jordan from
Speaker 2: North Carolina. That's true.
Speaker 3: He's got he's got an older brother that does not
Speaker 3: seem to come around that often.
Speaker 2: You've got an older brother who said he who can hoop?
Speaker 2: Apparently he said he was better than him. Never never
Speaker 2: hear about that guy, Larry, right, Larry Jordan.
Speaker 3: I believe so, yeah.
Speaker 6: I believe it's Larry lj and his son. You know
Speaker 6: his son doesn't.
Speaker 3: J Yeah, No, yeah, his son doesn't. His kids don't
Speaker 3: really fuck with him like that, which is too bad
Speaker 3: because huge guy man.
Speaker 2: The father figure.
Speaker 3: Oh boy, imagine your dad being so awful that you
Speaker 3: that you go to Larsa Pippen now and say, let's
Speaker 3: make something happen to hear, baby.
Speaker 2: How unstable was like that? That's that's the that's the
Speaker 2: grounding force, baby, I'm ready to build. Yeah, this is
Speaker 2: this is the most stable. You're the most stable person
Speaker 2: in my life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I gotta stop fucking around and focus.
Speaker 2: I've known you since since you came to my fifth
Speaker 2: birthday party. Because she must have been there, right, No,
Speaker 2: they got married late.
Speaker 3: Though, No, apparently she used the babysitter.
Speaker 2: Wow. Okay, so that does part of me is like
Speaker 2: that's pretty cool, like just like initial feeling.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, See, this is where I disagree with you,
Speaker 3: and I know what you're doing. I know what you're
Speaker 3: about to do. You're you're heading in the direction of
Speaker 3: sort of saying that like we anybody who can fuck
Speaker 3: their babysitter, hats off, kudos.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I think a lot of people fuck
Speaker 2: their babysitter and it's a huge bummer, okay because of
Speaker 2: sexual assault.
Speaker 5: But sure, okay, I get it, Jimmy, all right.
Speaker 2: I'm saying that he hung out in the pocket and
Speaker 2: came back and got it the game, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like call that Drake Lyric, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 3: I guess where I start to worry is at the
Speaker 3: end of the day. This is still in that long game.
Speaker 3: You are watching her have a full relationship with Scottie
Speaker 3: Pippen and then lose that full relationship, lose his marriage
Speaker 3: because she fucked future which that.
Speaker 2: And then went on.
Speaker 3: Reality television show, not even a successful reality television show,
Speaker 3: to go be a problem elsewhere, like you've seen a
Speaker 3: lot of bad shit, to then be like I'm gonna
Speaker 3: marry this lady. Fuck guys, this went very dark immediately.
Speaker 2: Problem is because we started with him killing that ship.
Speaker 2: Where were we gonna go?
Speaker 3: I don't know, But Keith, you came to us with
Speaker 3: a conspiracy that that at least will cause more problem.
Speaker 2: No, I think this is all.
Speaker 3: This is has the potential to be a positive episode,
Speaker 3: a rare, just uplifting, beautiful episode, because you said, my
Speaker 3: mama told me.
Speaker 2: Ray J is the guy I find out of culture.
Speaker 6: He started it.
Speaker 1: All All things go to ray J, and there's a
Speaker 1: connecting line and in every I wish I had my
Speaker 1: map with the red strings to connect the dots to
Speaker 1: show y'all.
Speaker 6: But he's there, he's president. I remember when.
Speaker 1: We were at I was at the house, David, we
Speaker 1: were watching, uh, what's that channel?
Speaker 6: We were watching Zeus?
Speaker 2: Oh Zeus?
Speaker 6: And you're like, you know who owns this?
Speaker 2: Good?
Speaker 3: Good for you for calling it a channel.
Speaker 6: I don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't even think they have have the right.
Speaker 3: I think there's like legal ramifications for them referring to
Speaker 3: themselves as a channel.
Speaker 1: The Anthrew Bachelor, King Batch, ray J Enterprise. That's that's
Speaker 1: a big deal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Wait, is King is King Batcher a dual owner
Speaker 3: inside of this, him and j Fellas.
Speaker 6: I did not know that.
Speaker 2: I knew. I knew Rag he had East, I.
Speaker 3: Knew ray J was was an owner. But King Batch
Speaker 3: being an owner of that is fucking that's a that's
Speaker 3: a surprise twist for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's keep spaying. Yeah, I went to school with him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: whoa who So that's how you knew. Yeah, it's hard
Speaker 1: for me to call around. I can't call you are
Speaker 1: Andrew Bachelor. I'll say this. I respect his commitment to
Speaker 1: the brand. There's been a lot of reasons for him
Speaker 1: at some point to stop referring to himself as King Batch,
Speaker 1: and he's been like not, that's that's the that's what
Speaker 1: I picked.
Speaker 6: Heavy is the crown.
Speaker 3: Heavy is the burger king Crown. So so all things
Speaker 3: point to ray J. A tell us where this started
Speaker 3: for you? I mean, like I said, the breakdown of
Speaker 3: cultural icons.
Speaker 1: Right, you got Will Smith, you got Kanye if you
Speaker 1: look on the right side, you got Kanye West, who
Speaker 1: married Kim Kardashian, Right who started you know Kim Kardashian's career.
Speaker 1: Here's the inside information that I have. I used to
Speaker 1: work for the Kardashians, rumor is that we that the
Speaker 1: mom went to the went to Buna Murray and was like,
Speaker 1: we need to make this. We got the tape, we
Speaker 1: need to we need to flip it into a show.
Speaker 1: And then that was the beginning. Sure, wait she went
Speaker 1: to the production company. Yeah, man, that's what Joyn Martin
Speaker 1: should have done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but all right, yeah yeah, I just want them
Speaker 3: living out loud, even.
Speaker 2: If it's messy.
Speaker 6: You want to watch it.
Speaker 3: Come on, man, I want to see them cheeks get murdered.
Speaker 2: For real. Here's here's my question. Do you think because
Speaker 2: ray J is the godfather of culture, do you think
Speaker 2: he was picked for that specific task of being the
Speaker 2: one to roll out Kim Kardashian.
Speaker 5: Right, Golden child.
Speaker 2: Well, like she had seen him and she was like,
Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of other people, but this guy
Speaker 2: seems to be the guy who could get us over
Speaker 2: the hump. Because what's that right? Right, that's a good
Speaker 2: that's a good question. Who are her previous boyfriend?
Speaker 9: Though?
Speaker 1: It was like Nick Cannon, it was christ Like they
Speaker 1: didn't have the sauce.
Speaker 6: They didn't have that.
Speaker 1: Like. The thing about is he has the dark side
Speaker 1: of him, which is what allows him to be like,
Speaker 1: you know what, the black community will be fine if
Speaker 1: we put out zeus there. We're not gonna be hurt
Speaker 1: by it, even though it is going to be damaging
Speaker 1: to us. So he has that, he has that like
Speaker 1: villain thing where you're like, it's yeah, it's not sorry,
Speaker 1: but you're gonna like did the world change because of
Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I hum. You know what's weird about ray
Speaker 3: J is I to your point about him turning it off.
Speaker 3: I truly think that the most terrifyingly powerful people on
Speaker 3: this planet are people who don't have to move with
Speaker 3: any fear of repercussions, and I think that he is
Speaker 3: an example of one of those individuals. Donald Trump is
Speaker 3: another who sort of moves in that same way where
Speaker 3: it's just like, bro, whatever's in you it, it doesn't
Speaker 3: fear anything like some I'm afraid of so many things
Speaker 3: that could happen to me, and ray.
Speaker 5: J is not.
Speaker 2: And you see it all the time when he's moving,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Rey J moves like he
Speaker 2: assumes he's gonna live forever. I've been I was excited
Speaker 2: that you brought this up because like, this is a
Speaker 2: conversation I've had with so many people like that, just
Speaker 2: like I think about how many times you've had that talk,
Speaker 2: where like I just known I probably had that conversation
Speaker 2: with ten different dudes.
Speaker 3: You know what's funny is like people make fun of
Speaker 3: ray J, or had historically made fun of ray J
Speaker 3: a lot. But I actually think that was much more
Speaker 3: of like a white thing than it was a black thing.
Speaker 3: Like I think niggas were more like, now I know
Speaker 3: what that is?
Speaker 2: How this thing?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I ain't. Nobody was like mad at ray J,
Speaker 3: and then white people sort of made him more of
Speaker 3: like a direct punchline of being like, look at this
Speaker 3: stupid because he was he all the fixings out there
Speaker 3: to make fun of. He's a little guy, he's Brandy's brother.
Speaker 3: He does all these antics. It seems like an easy target.
Speaker 3: And don't get me wrong, the antics are hilarious.
Speaker 2: It's very funny.
Speaker 6: I don't care.
Speaker 2: Come on, yeah, I don't get a lot of stuff
Speaker 2: he's done. He's so hilarious. He's fucking hysterical. But is
Speaker 2: he ever lost?
Speaker 5: No, he's never lost.
Speaker 2: His reggae ever taken to L what? What? What? What's
Speaker 2: the j L?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think at best you could say that
Speaker 3: like there was that period I think where he was
Speaker 3: like he had like trouble.
Speaker 2: With his his kid.
Speaker 3: Because him and the girl had broken up whatever. But
Speaker 3: like even then, nobody was rooting against rag Je. Everybody's
Speaker 3: just like I don't know.
Speaker 1: And he met with Donald Trump, just so I know
Speaker 1: you compared him to they they met unscathed.
Speaker 6: No one touched him. They fucked Kanye up, but they
Speaker 6: didn't ray J. Yeah, I pulled up.
Speaker 1: Anytime anytime he has taken an l because I'm thinking
Speaker 1: him back on the time, didn't didn't like fabulous make
Speaker 1: him play like the piano or something, or it was
Speaker 1: something ray J had to was that or was that Mayweather?
Speaker 3: You're thinking it was Mayweather? I think made him play
Speaker 3: the piano or told him to play the piano and
Speaker 3: he sort of like had a it was a bad performance.
Speaker 3: I think I ate it alive and I recovering that correctly.
Speaker 3: But even then, it's like, yeah, but we wouldn't. Ray
Speaker 3: J just went viral again, like yeah, he's just winning, baby.
Speaker 2: It's he never even even with the funny glasses, how
Speaker 2: many of those glasses did he sell?
Speaker 3: Them, way more than he was gonna sell exactly exactly,
Speaker 3: way more bunny Eyes than Bunny Eyes is gonna be
Speaker 3: able to push there themselves.
Speaker 2: Come on, that was a stupid idea.
Speaker 3: It's fucking idiotic. Even when he did it, like, there
Speaker 3: was never a moment in me where I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: but if he wasn't being silly, that's actually cool like that,
Speaker 3: I can see how why they would do that.
Speaker 2: I was like, this is this doesn't make anything.
Speaker 1: He has headphones too, right then he come on, rayconphone,
Speaker 1: no else, no else, take ain't spent.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys remember when Raycon's first
Speaker 3: came out, but but part of the entire pitch of
Speaker 3: Raycon was being like, Apple is trash. You've been dealing
Speaker 3: with these Apple fucking headphones all this time.
Speaker 2: When you have Raycon's.
Speaker 7: Baby, look at my Raycons say the same size, they longer,
Speaker 7: and they taste good.
Speaker 6: Who up with Steve.
Speaker 2: John Yo, That's what I'm saying. Crazy. Come on, you
Speaker 2: can't see. And he didn't lose.
Speaker 3: He just didn't. He just did what ray J was
Speaker 3: supposed to do. I could buy some ray conc to
Speaker 3: the website. I don't think you should. I'll be honest,
Speaker 3: I think he's a winner. I don't think the products
Speaker 3: are pretty good.
Speaker 1: I think he just doesn't have the machine behind it.
Speaker 1: But if he did, they would have been the beats
Speaker 1: by Dre easily.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Sure.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing. Even if you don't have that
Speaker 2: machine to make it a billion dollar company, it could
Speaker 2: still be a ten million dollar company. Yeah you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. It's like still and you add that
Speaker 2: along with the media empire, like Rayj is getting money everywhere. Right,
Speaker 2: what's motor scooty bikes?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, that's that bike.
Speaker 2: Bro. I'm saying he's a mogul. Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, he's a real mogel for truly.
Speaker 1: Yea.
Speaker 2: And I watched a bunch of those shows.
Speaker 6: Didn't take it entertainment, always good entertainment.
Speaker 2: And I mean he just he never got embarrassed. It
Speaker 2: was always just like women fighting over him, him being
Speaker 2: like princess, you don't need to do this, just like
Speaker 2: Raj and he's like, all right, all of her friends
Speaker 2: and she comes back. That's all the show. Like, the
Speaker 2: show was him.
Speaker 6: Not taking a loss, no losses.
Speaker 1: So yeah, from from that moment, right, he creates Kim Kardashian.
Speaker 1: That's during the last writers strike. Then the writer strikes
Speaker 1: spawn reality nonscripted television, which is the world we live
Speaker 1: in now. If you go overseas, right, everyone's looking like
Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian. She became the American beauty standard.
Speaker 2: For I mean, if you go to Glendal, if you.
Speaker 6: Don't need to travel, you could just go to Glyndal.
Speaker 2: Which some people would argue his overseas, Yeah, across that
Speaker 2: treacherous l a river. No, but I mean even here,
Speaker 2: you walk around down here, I live downtown. You walk
Speaker 2: around downtown now all the girls of everything yea, And
Speaker 2: that's because of Raja.
Speaker 3: Yeah, ray j really trade trained white women to uh
Speaker 3: to erase their bodies and somebody else's body in a
Speaker 3: way that they were they were terrified of before before
Speaker 3: he came around.
Speaker 2: Which which also means ray j in injected like give
Speaker 2: some life back into the plastic surgery industry. Whoa, like
Speaker 2: if we're drawing. He also did like Dr Miami, you
Speaker 2: gotta think Rajia damn. Yeah, Nip tuck is off the air.
Speaker 2: This is this is at this point, we are sober
Speaker 2: to what that industry represents. Yeah, we don't.
Speaker 3: It's not iconic the way that it used to be.
Speaker 3: And then ray J shows up and he's like, but
Speaker 3: what if them titties were made out of the meat
Speaker 3: from your back?
Speaker 2: And then.
Speaker 6: And not to make it dark, but how did Kanye's
Speaker 6: mom died?
Speaker 4: Fuck?
Speaker 6: He don't?
Speaker 2: Whoa okay, Yo, So RAJ doesn't do that. It's almost
Speaker 2: as if Kanye was sacrificed for rage. Fuck because all right,
Speaker 2: I didn't look, I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to get y'all, you know by the
Speaker 1: c I I but I'm just giving y'all the breadcrumbs
Speaker 1: to follow, because the ship gets dark any turn. It
Speaker 1: could just get dark when it was ray J Bourne
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one, what happened in nineteen eighty one?
Speaker 6: Crack cocaine?
Speaker 3: So whoa okay, wait a minute, chill out. We need
Speaker 3: to take a break. We need to take a break.
Speaker 3: It's starting to get fucking scary over here. We're gonna
Speaker 3: take a break. We're gonna come back from Morgan Johnson
Speaker 3: and more. My mama told me.
Speaker 2: We are back with Keith Johnson talking about how all
Speaker 2: roads lead to ray J. To be honest, I mean,
Speaker 2: I think we've proven it somewhat at this point, and
Speaker 2: that in that somehow ray J Kanye West what sacrificed
Speaker 2: for RAYJ, which is which is difficult.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not an easy thing to hear out loud
Speaker 3: and and maybe a more difficult thing to prove. But
Speaker 3: I'm excited Keith to get into some of this research
Speaker 3: with you because I think maybe this will help guide
Speaker 3: your hand in sort of piling up even more evidence
Speaker 3: and or substantiating the evidence you're already laid in front
Speaker 3: of us. As you may or may not know, you
Speaker 3: both probably do. The original sort of source that is
Speaker 3: pointed to for this conspiracy theory is Vince Staples. Vince
Speaker 3: Staples is sort of like the mass media source of it.
Speaker 3: He's in a interview in twenty fifteen on Rosenberg and
Speaker 3: I think Tyler the Creator is there and he goes,
Speaker 3: you gotta get this dude to tell you about what
Speaker 3: he believes about ray J, and then Vince Staples breaks
Speaker 3: down all of ray J's sort of interconnectedness throughout history,
Speaker 3: relating to all the shit, the music, the relationships, the
Speaker 3: sex tape, the reality television, the trend setting, the booty niggas.
Speaker 5: All this stuff he breaks it down.
Speaker 3: Now he also does, and this is where the research
Speaker 3: sort of starts to become interesting.
Speaker 2: He also does this.
Speaker 3: Interview with g Q right that same year. They ask
Speaker 3: him to basically sit down and explain it more to
Speaker 3: white people.
Speaker 5: It seems like he.
Speaker 3: Basically does the same topics, but they make him articulated
Speaker 3: a little more like clearly. And then in that article
Speaker 3: he tells them. He tells the interviewer that RAYJ is
Speaker 3: so influential that all you need to do is simply
Speaker 3: google ray J at right now and a TMZ article
Speaker 3: from a few hours ago will pop up. And that
Speaker 3: researcher does do that. He googles RAYJ and that is
Speaker 3: in fact true at the time a TMZ article immediately linked.
Speaker 3: And remember this is eight years ago, and in that article,
Speaker 3: the headline is ray J becoming a Jew. Hah oh no,
Speaker 3: I swear to God. Eight years ago, there is a
Speaker 3: TMZ and this is a weird bullshit bait and switch
Speaker 3: ass headline because all it actually is is RAYJ going
Speaker 3: and having a meal with some Jewish homies at a
Speaker 3: kosher restaurant in like popular ass New York City, trendy shit.
Speaker 3: And he has this kosher restaurant meal and he interviews
Speaker 3: and he's like, yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: Just telling me about like circumcision to shit. He's like, yeah, he's.
Speaker 3: Like learning Jewish culture and shit. But they TMZ is
Speaker 3: having a boring day. So they say, is ray J
Speaker 3: becoming a Jew? But there is no doubt in my mind?
Speaker 3: And I can't wait to hear you all thoughts that
Speaker 3: a Kanye West from eight years ago sees this article
Speaker 3: still filled with the rage that he is filled with
Speaker 3: at ray J sees that he's becoming a Jew, does not,
Speaker 3: in fact read that article and then decides he hates Jews.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna just add I'm gonna add to that. Kanye
Speaker 3: is seven years ahead of his time, right, so he's
Speaker 3: often talking to us. Yeah, so when that happened, he's
Speaker 3: talking to us in a different time space.
Speaker 1: So what what's really happening. It's not World War three
Speaker 1: we need to prep for. It's the final fight between
Speaker 1: ray J and Kanye as.
Speaker 2: Nigga don't hate Jews.
Speaker 3: He just think ray J is a Jew and he
Speaker 3: hates ray J.
Speaker 2: He really hates ray J the hard All that though,
Speaker 2: for me is like I can't hate ray J, but.
Speaker 3: You're not You're not a psychopath, my man, fair, I
Speaker 3: really appreciate that. I think Kanye is legit out of
Speaker 3: his mind, and so he has something that none of
Speaker 3: us can do, which is hate for ray J.
Speaker 2: Right right, right, right, right right, because I he's just
Speaker 2: so lovable. Yeah, he's fucking adorable.
Speaker 3: That's an adorable forty five year old man.
Speaker 2: He hasn't really ate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking up a picture right now, ray J.
Speaker 1: He has the blonde hair with the dark hoodie. Yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: Come on, you got yo. I just googled him to
Speaker 2: see about that. And this isn't this isn't a week ago,
Speaker 2: but Jackie Harry stuns fans when they learned through resurface
Speaker 2: clip she hooked up with ray J. This is a
Speaker 2: on man, Jackie har Come on.
Speaker 3: Man, and we're talking about abuse that that's gotta be bored.
Speaker 2: I don't know what he did. I bet it was
Speaker 2: after sister sister for sure.
Speaker 3: Come on, I don't know, and I'm not gonna ask.
Speaker 3: And even if I did, which who's gonna hold who accountable?
Speaker 2: That's jack A and ray J. They deserve.
Speaker 3: I'm not telling the queen she can't fuck her cousin,
Speaker 3: and I'm not telling jack A Harry she can't sexually
Speaker 3: assault ray J.
Speaker 2: Oh. I forgot he also was with Whitney Houston right
Speaker 2: before the end.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's That's one of the things that Vince Staples
Speaker 3: points to is he says that ray J in fact
Speaker 3: the person that found her.
Speaker 5: That that's that that's.
Speaker 3: How iconic he sort of is in culture. And I
Speaker 3: would argue, and I'd be curious to hear your thoughts
Speaker 3: on this, I would argue both good and bad ways.
Speaker 2: Like I know, I don't think re J is morality.
Speaker 2: I think he's just reg Jae.
Speaker 3: He is the ultimate balance in morality almost if I
Speaker 3: can borrow from a white film, I think ray J
Speaker 3: might be our Forest Gump.
Speaker 9: Oh.
Speaker 2: Right, He's just been there for all of it, right, good,
Speaker 2: bad or sad, you know what I mean? Fuck like
Speaker 2: he cause like that's we're talking about some pretty pretty
Speaker 2: major events in black history that he's been personally witnessed to. Right,
Speaker 2: That's that's that's that's amazing. Yeah.
Speaker 3: It also got me thinking because this article comes out
Speaker 3: in twenty fifteen, right, this sort of like the level
Speaker 3: of influence he kicks in. But you think about the
Speaker 3: eight years of influence that he he's had since then,
Speaker 3: and it does feel like you're you're almost missing major
Speaker 3: sort of like important.
Speaker 5: Moments in the ray j A journey.
Speaker 3: Right like up to twenty fifteen, he is a more
Speaker 3: laughable figure, which is what made Vince sound so crazy
Speaker 3: when he was pointing to ray J. But now it's
Speaker 3: like it's hard not to see the impact, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. Yeah, he's fucking everywhere.
Speaker 2: I mean, yo, Raycon sells water filters.
Speaker 1: Ifuck, We're going to have a water scarcity moment sooner
Speaker 1: than later, and.
Speaker 3: I and somebody's gonna Raycon incorporated. Somebody's gonna have to
Speaker 3: turn to ray J.
Speaker 2: Yeah. As far as conspiracy theories that we've had on
Speaker 2: this podcast, I don't think there's one that I believed
Speaker 2: more unequivocally. Yeah, than it's just like you can't deny
Speaker 2: the man's impact. Yeah, Like what I wonder is do
Speaker 2: you think that he is do you think that he
Speaker 2: is conscious of it or do you think he's just
Speaker 2: living his life? And that's how it plays like. I
Speaker 2: don't feel like he wakes up in the morning looking
Speaker 2: to influence culture.
Speaker 3: I think people like this are maybe too psychotic to
Speaker 3: actually be able to think that way.
Speaker 2: Do you think he's psychotic though, I.
Speaker 3: Think he's truly Like it's like he's moving a queen
Speaker 3: around the board, but it's one move at a time.
Speaker 3: Like I don't think he thinks past the movie.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he just her presence.
Speaker 1: To circle back to that Michael Jordan clip, they were
Speaker 1: talking about why Michael Jordan was good, and it was
Speaker 1: because he was present in every moment, and Ray J's
Speaker 1: just present. He's not thinking, even though he did write
Speaker 1: the song one Wish. But yeah, he's president, you know.
Speaker 3: But I think every letter in that song surprised him.
Speaker 3: I think he's like, ah, I didn't even know I
Speaker 3: was there. Yeah, yeah, okay, let's see what you got
Speaker 3: of God.
Speaker 1: He's just letting him speak through him. Yeah, right, right,
Speaker 1: He's a vessel.
Speaker 2: I do like that.
Speaker 3: J is ultra instinct, you know what I mean. He
Speaker 3: is Goku's yes, final form as far.
Speaker 2: As we know. Yeah, yeah, I like that unto.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's no brick wall that could possibly meet him,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like he's not even it
Speaker 3: can't happen.
Speaker 2: Here's the question I have for the both of you.
Speaker 2: Where does this go because he obviously hasn't peaked.
Speaker 3: Oh you think you think we're not done seeing the
Speaker 3: best of what ray J could do.
Speaker 2: He's like forty years old. That's that's That's like a
Speaker 2: lot of people ask when they get in the game
Speaker 2: as far as influential. Yeah, like he did all this
Speaker 2: without the benefit of age behind him to make him
Speaker 2: more respectable. You know what I'm saying, Like a lot
Speaker 2: of ray J's moves we were looking at as moves
Speaker 2: of a twenty five year old man, a twenty four
Speaker 2: year old man, he's on moasho when he's sixteen seventeen.
Speaker 2: You know, with the respect of age behind him, I
Speaker 2: think that this could go anywhere.
Speaker 3: Do you at all fear though, that with age behind him,
Speaker 3: some of these antics will become less endearing. Do you
Speaker 3: think that that's there's any threat of him stopping being
Speaker 3: the adorable ray J that we all love and suddenly
Speaker 3: ben just a big old fat dude that we're all like, hey, bro,
Speaker 3: you got a chill out and call your family.
Speaker 2: No, because the endearing thing is a personality trait, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Even when he was greasy on
Speaker 2: you know, what was the show?
Speaker 3: What was the show called for the love of Rage.
Speaker 2: Ray J, he'd be greasy on there, but you still
Speaker 2: liked him because you know what I mean, He'll never not.
Speaker 1: He knew, he knew how to get ratings. I got
Speaker 1: a question. You said, he's forty one years old, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: something like that, entering in his second half of his life.
Speaker 1: You know the second chapter, How old was Kobe Bryant
Speaker 1: when he died?
Speaker 2: Come on, all right, bro, come on, come on.
Speaker 6: It gets dark killed every turn, bro.
Speaker 1: So it's just all.
Speaker 2: Town for a little bit and low. But we didn't
Speaker 2: mean to be nobody.
Speaker 1: I think I think ray J goes goes along because
Speaker 1: I think Zeus is just this is this is like
Speaker 1: a beta test for him, and I think he goes
Speaker 1: ahead and completes Bill Cosby's mission of buying NBC if
Speaker 1: not in BC or be et because a lot of
Speaker 1: people are trying right now. But I think ray J
Speaker 1: is the one who gets the right people together, the
Speaker 1: right chess pieces, and then they just make a quick,
Speaker 1: swift chess move by bet and he's a part of that.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: You know what's crazy is that is that they were
Speaker 3: just who was it? The Weather Channel? Nigga and Byron
Speaker 3: A Byron Allen, we're just about to team up and
Speaker 3: buy the e T. And you know that the reason
Speaker 3: that they got turned down whatever it is, was not
Speaker 3: because they didn't have the bread. So this isn't a
Speaker 3: money issue. This is a character issue for whoever bt
Speaker 3: IS is owned by. And I bet they'll see something
Speaker 3: in ray j that they could not see in UH
Speaker 3: comics Unleashed Stone.
Speaker 1: Byron doesn't have the sauce like he don't go looking
Speaker 1: for discuss sting black television. He's like, Bro, I got
Speaker 1: the program, I have the formula, I do this.
Speaker 6: He buys bt IS.
Speaker 2: Byron Allen was going to try to bring the news back.
Speaker 1: You no, don't nobody want to watch black news.
Speaker 2: Bro Spier Smiley, where is he?
Speaker 3: And he's like, no, you ain't got what we're looking for, man,
Speaker 3: We're looking for a motherfucker like poison.
Speaker 1: And he buys it from Viacom and then he just
Speaker 1: shifts the culture one more time on a on a
Speaker 1: large scale. And I think that will be we move
Speaker 1: within the next five to ten years.
Speaker 3: Damn, that's like that, that's crazy. If raj On it
Speaker 3: wouldn't surprise.
Speaker 1: Me, man, that no that's that's a very possible move.
Speaker 3: And I'll say this, I think if ray J owns BT,
Speaker 3: I think niggas will stop making fun of it the
Speaker 3: same way they do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I I I like BAT programming.
Speaker 10: Though, do you you didn't watch all those Mani movies
Speaker 10: they did the new edition and.
Speaker 3: When he no, no, no, you don't get to do that.
Speaker 3: You're talking about BT from like ten years ago. I'm
Speaker 3: asking you said you like b ET programming as if
Speaker 3: you are currently caught up on BT program.
Speaker 2: What do they go now? They got missed? Pat hold on,
Speaker 2: I'm pulling it up. I got I got it. I did.
Speaker 2: Let it laps on my ship though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just want to I'm trying to understand what
Speaker 3: you are currently watching.
Speaker 6: On b kJ Smith's show, whatever her name.
Speaker 2: You know what. You're right, You're right. I don't like it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't think you like talking about it. I'm talking
Speaker 2: about a few years ago. I'm not watching Average Love.
Speaker 3: Or bringing back Comice Berry has like four shows they
Speaker 3: are bringing back review idea here are they?
Speaker 2: They've been saying that, though I feel like that that's true.
Speaker 3: I also know some people who taped for whatever was
Speaker 3: supposed to be a new Comic View, and then they
Speaker 3: never didn't be.
Speaker 1: It was that the Kevin Hart one, Kevin Hart, Mike Epps.
Speaker 1: Oh maybe Yeah, so Kevin Hart's I think e p
Speaker 1: and it. Mike Epps is running the host spot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh he's gonna host. Yeah, that's pretty good. That's
Speaker 2: actually good. That's better for him than then.
Speaker 6: So they settled their beef. Yeah right, I forgot that.
Speaker 5: Kevin Hard and Mike EPs.
Speaker 3: I bet ray j.
Speaker 2: Call. He's the only one who could do it.
Speaker 3: He like, Yo, Ken, Let's get Mike on the phone
Speaker 3: and right.
Speaker 6: Now for the people, let's bring back Tomicview.
Speaker 3: My dad the other day, my dad is on TikTok
Speaker 3: and and I guess his algorithm is now feeding him
Speaker 3: a fun ton of comedians. And he called me.
Speaker 2: It was like, have you heard of Gary Owen? He's
Speaker 2: like it's not good.
Speaker 3: I'm like, hey man, amen, I don't know how to
Speaker 3: tell you this, but you might got the worst. And
Speaker 3: I hate that you listen to them so often. If
Speaker 3: if that, if those two things are the crossover them,
Speaker 3: then we might be the fucking worst.
Speaker 2: I love you that of all, I love the all
Speaker 2: of all. The ship he saw Gary Owans was one
Speaker 2: where he's.
Speaker 5: Like, let me.
Speaker 2: Get my son on the horn. I gotta see I gotta.
Speaker 6: See the reason.
Speaker 3: Brother, have you have you at least met the man
Speaker 3: because he's slow fun oh dz. He didn't do all that.
Speaker 2: But he did.
Speaker 1: He was like Gary, he thought of you, when he
Speaker 1: thought of when he saw Garry.
Speaker 6: Let me give myself, let me let me tell him
Speaker 6: I love him.
Speaker 2: He's funny.
Speaker 3: Gary Owen's funny.
Speaker 2: To be fair, I don't know any Gary Owen's bits,
Speaker 2: so I don't know if he is bad.
Speaker 3: Here's what I'll say during that comic view early day.
Speaker 2: Comic view ship. I loved Gary Owen.
Speaker 5: I fucking I thought he was really fun.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, I think he might be good.
Speaker 1: It's hard to unlearn certain things when you got to
Speaker 1: unlearn like he's not he's not good, and you're like,
Speaker 1: you have to process that. It's tough sometimes.
Speaker 10: M H.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think there's people that will always hold
Speaker 2: that spot in your heart. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 6: Who's that for y'all.
Speaker 3: I don't think I ever need to see Bruce Bruce again.
Speaker 2: Don't do that, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: It's not Bruce Bruce. It's he was very fucking good.
Speaker 3: He was one of the best. But I think if
Speaker 3: I saw it now, I'm so far into the the
Speaker 3: magic trick that I'd be like, well, this isn't even
Speaker 3: that good of the magic trick.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know what the magic trick is.
Speaker 2: You can't tell me. Flex is not hilarious?
Speaker 6: Flex are now, Alexander?
Speaker 5: Yeah, now.
Speaker 6: I don't know flex Arnell.
Speaker 2: Who the fucking flex are now? Now? Man?
Speaker 5: He was killing.
Speaker 8: You think that we were talking about a man named
Speaker 8: flexar now because I enjoyed.
Speaker 2: You, we wouldn't not, all right, It is a flex actually,
Speaker 2: if I if I think about it, if I think
Speaker 2: about it in a way, flex is like my Will Smith.
Speaker 2: He was in that lane I thought Flex was. I
Speaker 2: thought he was so oh cool. I thought he was
Speaker 2: the coolest guy flex yeah, before and after Homeboys and
Speaker 2: out of Space.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now I felt that even even what was it
Speaker 3: one on one?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's where I got it flat at the
Speaker 2: weather Man.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had a self awareness inside of his cool.
Speaker 3: So he was down to take the l but he
Speaker 3: wasn't really taking l's.
Speaker 2: He had it, yeah, man, and he had that deaf January.
Speaker 2: He's wearing the yellow mm hmmm mm hmmm, hm. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm talking out, Yeah, man, flex Flex is
Speaker 2: my Will Smith. That's good to know. I'm glad I
Speaker 2: didn't know.
Speaker 6: We have mother Will Smith that we could put in play.
Speaker 3: Now now I don't have to bring this up in therapy.
Speaker 3: I think I I think I worked this one out.
Speaker 3: I can check this off the list.
Speaker 2: Yeah, finally we'll go back to talk.
Speaker 6: Let's untackt this well.
Speaker 3: I think we should land this plane because it seems
Speaker 3: as if we are are all in agreement that ray
Speaker 3: Ja is in fact the cultural icon that he's been
Speaker 3: suggested to be. I think the best way to land
Speaker 3: this plane is to really just do a total recap
Speaker 3: of all of that, all that he's done to help
Speaker 3: sort of solidify it for our listeners. So obviously, and please,
Speaker 3: I don't want to do this alone, So y'all jump in.
Speaker 3: He he fucking let's begin right from the beginning of
Speaker 3: his career. He starts off as a child star. Yeah,
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety three, he is already acting on a SIDMD
Speaker 3: show even before Brandy is.
Speaker 2: In fact, oh he was on something before Moesha.
Speaker 3: I think Brandy is the famous singer. But before Moesha
Speaker 3: the show exists, he is on the Simbad Show.
Speaker 2: Oh I didn't even know that, okay, so yeah, he
Speaker 2: start him early, start him early, so there and then
Speaker 2: that moves to Moesha. Right, arguably the most memorable character
Speaker 2: in Moesha whoa. I'd say Dorian Wright was the most dad.
Speaker 3: Dorian was his name.
Speaker 2: It was the most right, like if you go, it
Speaker 2: was like him and Cam are the only ones that
Speaker 2: because she had him.
Speaker 3: But I was man dell man myself. But yeah, all right, man, yeah,
Speaker 3: I was like that. I don't get why people be
Speaker 3: calling her every they wrong.
Speaker 2: I felt that way about the police officer on the wings.
Speaker 2: But anyways, same, yeah, yeah, I think we're talking about it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: a lot to impact a lot, all right. So yeah.
Speaker 2: So then but then he comes out is that it
Speaker 2: was music his.
Speaker 3: Next big thing, I think so so so as history
Speaker 3: would tell it, Brandy is sort of like peaking in
Speaker 3: her success, and then ray J decides he's gonna come
Speaker 3: take over music with those. I think his first hit
Speaker 3: was like a top twenty five or something. Sexy can
Speaker 3: I I don't think it was sexy can. I was
Speaker 3: something Before that, it's like, let's get it, get it
Speaker 3: done or finished fast. I don't know what the fuck
Speaker 3: it's called. Let me come inside of you and you'll
Speaker 3: come to I'm trying to bust one in your bitch.
Speaker 3: What you trying to do some.
Speaker 2: Some some raje a ass lyric.
Speaker 3: You know, I got a mouth, let me put it
Speaker 3: on you, which I love, all right, but yeah, So
Speaker 3: he then shifts into music, and then I think that's
Speaker 3: where I would argue his uh he sort of finds
Speaker 3: his sexual enrichment. That's when he becomes sort of like
Speaker 3: this powerhouse of sexual sexuality and he fucks everybody. He
Speaker 3: dates to literally everyone. He was Nick Cannon before Nick Cannon,
Speaker 3: uh started having kids, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And he'll probably mean Nick Cannon after Nick Cannon.
Speaker 5: Yeah that's fair.
Speaker 3: Nick Cannon gonna die.
Speaker 6: So whatever had a couple of years left of Nick.
Speaker 3: There's nothing else under that turbine. Baby.
Speaker 2: So then from the second round of music, then he
Speaker 2: goes then he goes to the porno.
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: That then he releases the Kraken of arguably one of
Speaker 3: the most boring porno tapes of all time. Not a
Speaker 3: great at not a great watch and that becomes her fame,
Speaker 3: that becomes the King Kardashian rising fame, and subsequently ray
Speaker 3: J star also rises because of the constant reminder that
Speaker 3: he quote unquote hit it.
Speaker 6: For relationship and then starts off reality and then he
Speaker 6: goes into it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he begins his own reality media empire,
Speaker 2: that's right, which is huge.
Speaker 3: And and frankly transforms v H one because while Flavor
Speaker 3: of Love is the first re quote unquote reality show
Speaker 3: of that kind, ray J then turns it into love
Speaker 3: and hip hop, which is the new transformation of VH one.
Speaker 3: Back when Flavor of Love was on, they were playing
Speaker 3: indie music and fucking that's where I learned who like
Speaker 3: who who fucking Adele was was watching VH one back
Speaker 3: when she was playing acoustic guitars, is you know what
Speaker 3: I mean? It was a different wave. And then ray
Speaker 3: J showed up and they were like, I think we
Speaker 3: worked for niggas.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, and they have been in service to us
Speaker 2: ever since, which.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because even if you watch like the great
Speaker 1: like a like a Patresia or Billboard bir they were.
Speaker 1: They were on VH one a lot, and I think
Speaker 1: that opened up the Lane for like just authentic people
Speaker 1: on television.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: They were like, we're showing real human beings in this
Speaker 3: post ray j world.
Speaker 2: We're showing the dark underside of what a human can be.
Speaker 3: Okay, So then then the reality television and then he uh,
Speaker 3: he threatens to have fabulous fucked. He gets in a
Speaker 3: number of beefs, all of which seemed to have no
Speaker 3: effect on his life. He begins owning everything. He starts
Speaker 3: to every company that you thought was a joke Ray
Speaker 3: j Bys and somehow it's no longer a joke, and
Speaker 3: then what then then what does it become?
Speaker 2: Uh? Post that, I feel like it's just been him
Speaker 2: moving in like side, you know, like the Trump film. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel like he's kind of been not as front,
Speaker 2: making deals under the table, That's what I think.
Speaker 3: But even recently when because it did come out that
Speaker 3: where Kim accused him, if I'm remembering correctly, accused him
Speaker 3: of having like manipulated the tapes all these years that
Speaker 3: he was like, oh, that's what it was. Kanye gives
Speaker 3: Kim back the tapes that he supposedly had bought the
Speaker 3: secret tapes from ray j A or worked out whatever,
Speaker 3: and then Ray J made not only made public that
Speaker 3: that was a lie, that he was not in possession
Speaker 3: of the tapes, had receipts for this ship, and also
Speaker 3: then proved that the mom was the originating source for
Speaker 3: the sex tape in the beginning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, flat au.
Speaker 3: He really like proved what we've been speculating for over
Speaker 3: a generation now that Chris Jenner is in fact like
Speaker 3: the devil, and then went about his fucking day putting
Speaker 3: his hat in weird positions during during tapings. Slightly, it
Speaker 3: didn't even He took down the devil and it didn't
Speaker 3: even affect his day.
Speaker 2: Here's what I'm saying. You gotta be a gotta be
Speaker 2: an angel to take out a devil.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a true glitch in the matrix, and he
Speaker 1: is the one.
Speaker 6: He's the one.
Speaker 3: Well, can I get an a man?
Speaker 6: Amen?
Speaker 1: This is just the beginning, guys, just the beginning. This
Speaker 1: is just it's going it's going away chapter. This is
Speaker 1: this is where we Yeah, it's going away.
Speaker 3: And if he starts to do more iconic shiit Keiths,
Speaker 3: We'll bring you back. This will be uh like a
Speaker 3: little journey. Yeah, it was like if you know Keith
Speaker 3: Johnson back you know we're doing a rage J episode.
Speaker 2: It's uh, it's our weekend up to.
Speaker 3: You're you're the Andy Rooney for whatever this show is.
Speaker 6: Right again, I'm excited for any ray J moves in
Speaker 6: the future.
Speaker 3: Keith, could you tell the people where they can find
Speaker 3: you and what cool shit you have going.
Speaker 1: On at Keith Johnson h Q on all social media platforms.
Speaker 6: The cool shit I'm doing right now.
Speaker 1: I got Culture Court Comedy in LA which is like
Speaker 1: a comedy styled court room where we bring on comedians
Speaker 1: and they do cases and we decide culture. And then
Speaker 1: on the East Coast, me and Sam Jay have a
Speaker 1: show called on Site, which is a late night therapy show,
Speaker 1: and we just had our last one for the New
Speaker 1: York Comedy Festival, so we're gonna be running it back
Speaker 1: sooner than later.
Speaker 6: So check them things out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hell yeah, follow Keith, go see the shows.
Speaker 5: Bory what you got?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: Cool guy joke? Saty seven on Instagram. Oh, Strike's over,
Speaker 2: I'm not to be on Exploding Kittens on Netflix. Hey, yeah,
Speaker 2: you can watch that. We can talk about we can
Speaker 2: get right Yeah, okay, yeah, So that's coming out I
Speaker 2: think at the end of the month and then yeah,
Speaker 2: just go on Instagram for dates and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: I'm not touring that much to the top of the year.
Speaker 2: I'm having a fire sale next week for all the
Speaker 2: merch I didn't sell on tour, so I'll put that
Speaker 2: info up on Instagram. But go to bring David to
Speaker 2: play dot com. And if you wanted to get a
Speaker 2: T shirt or a hat with a beach, or a
Speaker 2: poster or a meal kit that I hit designed for
Speaker 2: some reason.
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, go buy up what's left of David's merch
Speaker 3: for some reason, he marked it up.
Speaker 2: It's actually gonna be now.
Speaker 6: Prices.
Speaker 2: I think you don't know how sales work. I got
Speaker 2: I got.
Speaker 3: Uh And as always, you can follow me at Langston Kerman.
Speaker 3: I think this will come out too late for me
Speaker 3: to be pubbing any like big shows that I'm coming up.
Speaker 3: But go watch The Other Black.
Speaker 2: Girl on on Hulu.
Speaker 3: That was something that I did that came out in
Speaker 3: the middle of our financial pandemic and and I think
Speaker 3: it's cool and I'm proud to have been a part
Speaker 3: of it. So go watch that on Hulu. So you
Speaker 3: want to talk about interesting beanie placement, come on dog.
Speaker 6: They go back to Ray J.
Speaker 2: I will say. The director kept being like, can you
Speaker 2: be more Raje?
Speaker 3: But no, I'm gonna watch that. And as always, if
Speaker 3: you want to send us your own drops, your own conspiracies,
Speaker 3: if you want to explain to us why in fact
Speaker 3: ray J is not the savior that we've been looking
Speaker 3: for and there's someone else out there that we need
Speaker 3: to be looking out on, send it all to my
Speaker 3: mama pod at gmail dot com, follow us, subscribe, do
Speaker 3: whatever bullshit you gotta do, YouTube, Spotify, We got a
Speaker 3: social media My mama told me Pod, we want to
Speaker 3: hear from you, and we were thirsty for you to
Speaker 3: follow us, so so do it all. And that's the
Speaker 3: whole thing.
Speaker 2: By bitch, Would you say that you're racist?
Speaker 6: Not at all.
Speaker 2: No, Look I'm a dog. He's as black as can be.
Speaker 4: And a quality racist.
Speaker 6: The osto player ows and money for.
Speaker 4: She defended turkey stuffering. I can't help me about