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Speaker 2: DARSI were we'll come back to discussing what's in the
Speaker 2: video and what you think it shows, But I wanted
Speaker 2: to return to the real mystery in your film is
Speaker 2: the guy who leaked it? That's what you went down
Speaker 2: there to find out. And that's tricky stuff to get
Speaker 2: somebody to come forward who might be wondering, who are
Speaker 2: these guys? Why do they want to know this? Because
Speaker 2: there's no doubt that a lot of folks in powerful
Speaker 2: positions did not want that video to be leaked.
Speaker 3: Correct, Yeah, that appears to be the case based on
Speaker 3: the testimony from this agent. The FBI actually did get
Speaker 3: involved and they changed the whole access procedures for people
Speaker 3: that worked for CVP with regards to that type of
Speaker 3: footage right after this week happened. Essentially, this this guy
Speaker 3: was no longer allowed to go to the same areas.
Speaker 3: He wasn't allowed to communicate with the same friend who
Speaker 3: gave him the footage, who originally recorded it. It was
Speaker 3: really let's say, stove piped and kind of like segregated
Speaker 3: after that. So they made sure that security was tightened.
Speaker 2: Up but in the film, you don't show his face,
Speaker 2: you don't use his name. He's obviously got some concern
Speaker 2: about what might happen to him. You got to figure
Speaker 2: whoever he is. The people who didn't want this out
Speaker 2: have zeroed in on it and have identified him in
Speaker 2: some way, right.
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Or do you know?
Speaker 3: I don't, I don't. I mean, we haven't spoken to
Speaker 3: him since we left Puerto Rico, and I think we
Speaker 3: should obviously follow up is worthy, but we didn't want
Speaker 3: to bother him A and B. We just did not
Speaker 3: feel like he wanted to say anything more because he
Speaker 3: also had that high fear level. So yeah, we kind
Speaker 3: of just left it at that. We anonymized them in
Speaker 3: the film. But obviously he was working there still and
Speaker 3: he met us at his place of work.
Speaker 2: So explain to our listeners how it was that he
Speaker 2: was on that plane. So these guys do these routine flights,
Speaker 2: he was not necessarily part of that individual work group.
Speaker 2: Without giving too much info about where he did work
Speaker 2: and for whom he was just on there sort of
Speaker 2: as a favor from the guys who were on the plane.
Speaker 3: So he wasn't actually on the plane. His direct friend
Speaker 3: who worked within the CVP. Good friend, let's say, knew
Speaker 3: that he had an interest in this type of footage.
Speaker 3: Knew that, you know, obviously that there was some activity
Speaker 3: worthy of telling this guy, and directly after the event,
Speaker 3: the same day, he reached out to this individual that
Speaker 3: we met up with, and that guy rushed over, went
Speaker 3: into the plane and looked at the footage, and subsequently
Speaker 3: he actually asked his friend if he could make a
Speaker 3: copy of the footage for him and did yeah, and
Speaker 3: he shared that footage with Jorge Martin and that's how
Speaker 3: it reached us.
Speaker 2: How nervous was he about talking to you, Yeah, he
Speaker 2: was nervous.
Speaker 3: We were in Puerto Rico for a few days and
Speaker 3: we just kept following up, kept following up with Jorge
Speaker 3: really pushing for the meeting. We weren't sure if we
Speaker 3: were going to get it, and he was, you know, hesitant,
Speaker 3: and then finally he agreed to meet with us after
Speaker 3: he finished a shift at night and at the same
Speaker 3: airport it that all this footage was recorded, so we
Speaker 3: actually got to see from the ground level where the
Speaker 3: UFO was flying over, and quite a large, large area.
Speaker 3: It covered a lot of ground, so to speak, really quickly.
Speaker 2: Let's get to more specifics then, about the video itself.
Speaker 2: I know the guys from SCU did a paper about it.
Speaker 2: I've interview Rich Hoffman and others, and really good analysis
Speaker 2: about what it is and what it is not. As
Speaker 2: you mentioned, there have been debunkers who tried to explain
Speaker 2: it away as a balloon, which is preposterous. Describe what
Speaker 2: this thing look like? How big you think it is
Speaker 2: based on comparisons to other things on the ground and
Speaker 2: what it did?
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, so the best sort of description of what
Speaker 3: it looked like was probably an almond shaped object, and
Speaker 3: it was about the size of a car, because you
Speaker 3: actually do see it fly quite a bit above a
Speaker 3: parking structure area and parking lot, and you could see
Speaker 3: these little rectangle structures on the ground. Those are cars.
Speaker 3: So if it's flying quite a bit above those and
Speaker 3: it's almost the same size of them, you're going to
Speaker 3: think it's about the size of a car. It was
Speaker 3: almond shaped. It seemed to sort of rotate every now
Speaker 3: and then, or kind of like I guess, but not
Speaker 3: like in a circular way. It kind of rotated like
Speaker 3: a football, would you know what I mean? Like it
Speaker 3: twisted and the strange thing.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: We had a friend, Dave Fulch, do an analysis of
Speaker 3: this footage. He's an MX fifteen and other west CAAM
Speaker 3: forward looking infrared light camera repair man, so he professionally
Speaker 3: sets up these camera systems that are coming off of
Speaker 3: CVP planes and repairs them. And he's actually recorded his
Speaker 3: own UFO encounter on one of these systems from the ground,
Speaker 3: by the way, and he describes the footage as very
Speaker 3: anomalist himself, because he knows what a milar balloon looks like,
Speaker 3: he knows what the exhaust of a fighter jet would
Speaker 3: look like, he knows what a bird would look like,
Speaker 3: and this object doesn't look like any of those things.
Speaker 1: It also.
Speaker 3: Just kind of throws off detection. It almost creates its
Speaker 3: shape in a different way as it's flying. And yeah,
Speaker 3: it seems to move quite quickly until it gets to
Speaker 3: the ocean, goes into the ocean, comes out, it divides
Speaker 3: into two and one of those two objects seems to
Speaker 3: go down into the ocean. The other one just kind
Speaker 3: of floats off, and then the tracking system loses both
Speaker 3: of them. So if you don't think that's an intelligence
Speaker 3: behind this flying object, you got to be crazy in
Speaker 3: my opinion, and.
Speaker 2: It doesn't slow down. This thing goes into the water
Speaker 2: and it's moving just as fast as it was through
Speaker 2: the air, correct, that's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's the sort of trans medium characteristic
Speaker 3: about it. It operates at the same speed it was
Speaker 3: in our gaseous atmosphere as it does when it goes
Speaker 3: in the ocean. So the ocean does not seem to
Speaker 3: have any friction or impediment to its speed.
Speaker 2: So that takes out balloon. There's no balloon that goes
Speaker 2: through the ocean like that, that's for sure, right. And secondly,
Speaker 2: I mean balloons don't split into two and still float
Speaker 2: around up there obviously. Yeah, So then drones could be
Speaker 2: a drone, I guess. But drones don't split into two,
Speaker 2: and back in twenty thirteen, they didn't go into the ocean.
Speaker 2: There were no trans medium drones that we have that
Speaker 2: we know of, correct, Yeah.
Speaker 3: And it's a good thing you brought up drones because
Speaker 3: a drone would look like a drone in Flear footage
Speaker 3: like this. The Flear cameras are very high quality. They
Speaker 3: would be able to break down the full shape of
Speaker 3: a drone and you would see the heat points around propellers.
Speaker 3: This did not have propellers, This did not have the
Speaker 3: shape of a typical drone. It just looked like this
Speaker 3: almond shaped sort of silvery object that might i add,
Speaker 3: was not visible to the ground crew. There were people
Speaker 3: walking around below it on the airport tarmac. Was not
Speaker 3: a visible to the pilot or any of the people
Speaker 3: on the plane.
Speaker 1: It was only.
Speaker 3: Visible in flear, which is a characteristic again that constantly
Speaker 3: gets reported in UFO footage and people that capture this
Speaker 3: type of UFO footage in different light spectrum that the
Speaker 3: human eye can't see. These UFOs tend to operate in
Speaker 3: a light spectrum that we can't see because they don't
Speaker 3: want to be seen. They want to be in cognito.
Speaker 2: Describe for me how the government reacts to this. At
Speaker 2: the time this guy on the plane has recorded this video,
Speaker 2: he lets his friend make a copy of that four
Speaker 2: minute or so chunk, and then the friend takes it
Speaker 2: away and eventually it gets to SCU and gets out
Speaker 2: in the public. What happens in between the other three
Speaker 2: other places where this was to have been recorded according
Speaker 2: to the system that you described, was it recorded in
Speaker 2: all three of those places, or did and did anybody
Speaker 2: notice it and pay attention to it or do we know?
Speaker 3: Well, according to the agent, it was recorded in the
Speaker 3: other locations and from the mainland Department of Homeland Security
Speaker 3: branch that was communicating with this CVP Rent branch, they
Speaker 3: reported quite early this was as anomalist that this was
Speaker 3: not any craft or known terrestrial technology. So that's what
Speaker 3: the CBP, that's what this guy, the anonymous agent, told us.
Speaker 3: And then he said the FBI got involved and were
Speaker 3: investigating it too locally, and I think that's when they
Speaker 3: also created new restrictions so that this agent we spoke
Speaker 3: to was not allowed to ever go on to planes
Speaker 3: and look at FLEAR footage up close and personal. They
Speaker 3: really just started to separate personnel and make sure that
Speaker 3: only certain people with certain clearances security clearances were allowed
Speaker 3: to see that type of footage. And I think the
Speaker 3: same is very very likely happening with DHS right now.
Speaker 3: I've spoken to some other people, and you may up
Speaker 3: speaking to somebody like Ross Colhart and they can probably
Speaker 3: confirm to you that there is a standing order right
Speaker 3: now within DHS that they cannot release any footage to
Speaker 3: the public or anything that they record is considered basically
Speaker 3: classified right.
Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, that's that's kind of not a surprise at
Speaker 2: all that clamped down on it. For sure. I would
Speaker 2: still worry for your friend and the guy who allowed
Speaker 2: him to make that copy. But I suppose that if
Speaker 2: they had not made a copy and leaked it, we
Speaker 2: would never have seen it. Or is there a paper trail?
Speaker 2: Have you found a paper trail at all?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: I have not found a paper trail. But that agent
Speaker 3: quite he spoke quite clearly in the documentary that you know,
Speaker 3: he's he did this in an altruistic way. He wanted
Speaker 3: the world to know how the footage was taken, leaked
Speaker 3: and why. And according to him, there's all kinds of
Speaker 3: this phenomenon happening all around Puerto Rico. He's spoken to
Speaker 3: all kinds of walks of life of Puerto Ricans, fishermen,
Speaker 3: other you know, enforcement officers and CVP people that have
Speaker 3: witnessed these things. And he's concerned and he thinks it's
Speaker 3: really strange. Right, fishermen have seen objects in the water,
Speaker 3: lights in the water that you know, they know what
Speaker 3: scuba divers look like, but this is not that. And
Speaker 3: these objects have been seen exiting the water going into
Speaker 3: the water around Porto ric Rico. On top of that,
Speaker 3: there have been you know, for lack of a better word, nahi,
Speaker 3: non human intelligence sightings for decades now. We were speaking
Speaker 3: about the Junkee National Rainforest before, but this has been
Speaker 3: seen in the oceans around Puerto Rico. Strange beings seen
Speaker 3: at night on the beaches, going into the ocean, coming
Speaker 3: out of the ocean, and swimming around sometimes too.
Speaker 2: And well, you've got video, you've got video that including
Speaker 2: your film that as an additional part of your investigation,
Speaker 2: and you track down some people who have had some
Speaker 2: up close and personal encounters. And then I don't know
Speaker 2: how you got this other video, but it's nighttime, this
Speaker 2: bluish light in the in the ocean, and people are
Speaker 2: recording it on their cell phone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, fishermen, believe it or not, we're recording that. And
Speaker 3: that seems to be the common theme in Puerto Rico.
Speaker 3: Puerto Rican fishermen see this all the time, and that
Speaker 3: blue object. It starts as that they keep tracking it,
Speaker 3: and they keep following it on a boat until you see,
Speaker 3: I think at one point when they're a little bit
Speaker 3: closer to the shore, you actually see like this human
Speaker 3: aid figure hovering through the light. Now, I have heard
Speaker 3: somebody recently sent a link a friend on Twitter thinking
Speaker 3: that that was actually a dive group that and this
Speaker 3: dive group actually claimed that video to be them. But
Speaker 3: I'm a scuba diver. I've been scuba diving since I
Speaker 3: was fifteen. I know what light refraction looks like from
Speaker 3: the surface and what somebody a scuba diver should look
Speaker 3: like if they had a light source under the water
Speaker 3: and they were swimming nearby. Nowhere in that footage does
Speaker 3: it look like scuba diver or a group of scuba divers,
Speaker 3: because the number one thing that's missing in that footage
Speaker 3: from beginning to end are bubbles rising to the surface.
Speaker 3: You have to have something you're breathing with underwater, and
Speaker 3: there's no bubbles rising the surface at all.
Speaker 2: That's a good point. Darcy Weir is the director of
Speaker 2: the film trans Medium Puerto Rico's UFOs.
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