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We're going 8 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: to talk now with the Sheriff of La County, Alex Vieneueva. 9 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: This is coming a day after this horrific incident where 10 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 1: a twenty two year old man drove his car into 11 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: dozens of police recruits who were running on the side 12 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: of a road in the Winnier area. And they've identified 13 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: him as Nicholas Joseph Gutierrez of Diamond Bar. This story 14 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: says he has a bail, but I thought he didn't 15 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: have a bail anyway. He's been arrested for assault with 16 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: a deadly weapon and they think that he may have 17 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: been under the influence. Let's get sheriff and see what 18 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: the latest is. How are you, Sheriff? Oh, not too bad. Here. 19 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: I was going to recommend a climate coach there to 20 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: send to that guy with a sword in the act, 21 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: A climate coach. I'm sure that was part of the team. Hey, um, 22 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: what what? What's what? There's a still a lot of 23 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: mystery about this guy who's been arrested, Nicholas Gutierrez. I 24 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: mean I saw one story he was getting an attempted 25 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: murder charge and sought with a deadly weapon? What what? 26 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: What's what's what's the feeling as to why he did this? 27 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: Anyone know? Well? He was a book for a tim 28 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: murder and a peace officer, Is Bail has said at 29 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: the No Bail and our Homicide Bureau worked together with 30 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: a Highway patrol, the District Attorneys Crimes against Peace Officers, 31 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: a comple unit, and they did dozens and dozens of interviews, 32 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: looked at all the physical evidence, statements made, and they 33 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: concluded that the act was intentional and that's why there 34 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: they booked him on the on the charges and this 35 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: will be presented to the DA tomorrow for filing and 36 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: for arrangements. Intentional intentional? Yes, Um, does he have any 37 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 1: history of being anti police? Any writings online, any any 38 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: acquaintances talking. We did warrants at his home. We did 39 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: warrants on social media and you know, to seize everything 40 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: to examine all that, and all that information was put 41 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: together and the da will will have at their disposal 42 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: to decide what to file in court. And I think 43 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 1: the charge is appropriate. And it just shocked us. It 44 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: shocked everybody, and we're just praying for the recovery of 45 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,519 Speaker 1: all the recruits. I think the first three action most 46 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: people had is it must have been an accident. He 47 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: must have been drunk. He you know, lost control of 48 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: his car, you know, something unintentional. But then saw the 49 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: video yesterday and he's flowing straight into them. He's driving 50 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: a straight line right along the curb there and I'm 51 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: looking at that, that looks like he wanted to hit 52 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: all those cops. Well, you look at that Stretcher Road 53 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: and it's kind of hard to it's kind of hard 54 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: to realize that you'll never find a group, you know, 55 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: a fraction. Once a day you'll see a group like 56 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: that running by there, and that's when it happens. So 57 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: it's not not by acting, I don't believe. So did 58 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: you have any reason to believe he went there knowing 59 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: that they might be running in that street? That we 60 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: don't know because as part of his route, I guess 61 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: going from home to work. But this is remember this 62 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: is six twenty in the morning and no presidents of 63 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: alcohol in the system. And if he's going to work, 64 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: how would he be in a sleep? So it obviously 65 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: a lot of those questions were answered during the investigation, 66 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,839 Speaker 1: the interviews, and now we'll see what's presented in court. 67 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: Is there something about marijuana was found? They found marijuana 68 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: in the vehicle, and they did field sobriety tests, bretalizer 69 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: toxicology results are not in yet. They'll take a little 70 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: bit longer and they'll be part of the picture. Has 71 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: he said anything that you're aware of? From what I understand, 72 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: the recruits were trying to get him out of the car, 73 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: opened the door and he had his footstill on the 74 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: accelerator believe or not really after he hit the light. Paul, Yes, 75 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 1: And he didn't seem to have a remorse per se 76 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: or express any any regret. So it was kind of 77 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: a very odd set of circumstances. What can you tell 78 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: us about the condition of the recruits, anything new today 79 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: on them? Well, we have seven are still in the hospital. 80 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: Fire in there for observation, and we still have two 81 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: in critical ones at you see Irvine and went through 82 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: a surgery, supposed to be in surgery, i believe right now, 83 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: and multiple fractures of the legs. And then we have 84 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: the one at Saint Francis, which is our bigger concern. 85 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: That one is still in critical condition with trauma to 86 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:25,799 Speaker 1: the to the brain, multiple fractures as well, and supposed 87 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 1: to be going had a surgery last night and there'll 88 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: be a series of more surgery. So it's it's day 89 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: by day for this recruit. Is there something about this 90 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: man comes from a law enforcement family? Do you know 91 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: anything about that? Yeah? Apparently some of the relatives are 92 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: former military retired and so it's it just adds to 93 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: a very big puzzle. You know, what on earth was 94 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: going on in his mind? Yeah, because we heard that 95 00:05:54,400 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: there was a search of his home that was conducted yesterday. Yes, 96 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: and that was a team. Understand was a swat team? 97 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: Was that true? Yeah? Why'd there be a swat team 98 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 1: into his hand? Now that that was not a swat 99 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,799 Speaker 1: team on that one. It was not a swat team. Okay, 100 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: there there was an earlier report that there was no 101 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: it was a simple. Uh, you know, knock on the 102 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: door's Sheriff's department, and everybody came out willingly and they 103 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: did not expect any type of resistance that would necessitated 104 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: a swat team. All right, well, Sheriff, um, let us 105 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: know if you find out anything else, because we did, 106 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: we will. Yeah. I think everyone's highly interested in this. 107 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: If if if he did it on purpose, that is 108 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: really sick scary. Yes, indeed, so we'll keep praying that 109 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: everyone gets together and hopefully get back and resume their 110 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: career they were just starting. Yeah, that's that's really tough. 111 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: All right, that's Sheriff Alex been away, but thank you 112 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: for coming on again. You got it. Yeah, I think 113 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: there's some fundraising going on for the cadets that have 114 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: been seriously injured in this situation that happened yesterday morning 115 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: in Whitty or was he ever going to find out 116 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: more about that for you and pass it along? But 117 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: at Sarah Alex Vieneueva Lake County Sheriff, unfortunately, the outgoing sheriff, 118 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: giving us an update on the charges, and he says 119 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: left against this man that ran into the cadets running street. 120 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: The investigators believe it was an intentional act. So he's 121 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: on his way to work, we think, and he spots 122 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: them and just asides, today's the day I'm going to 123 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: run these people down because I don't like them. I 124 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: don't know. Does he know their cadets or does he 125 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: know I don't know, do they if they run that 126 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: course every day? Does he see them every day? I 127 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: don't know. By the way, you can go to kf 128 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: I am six forty dot com slash sheriff, and you 129 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: can make donations for these recruits. Okay, lash sheriff Okay, 130 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: because I don't see it on the front page here. Yeah, well, 131 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: I mean their families are going to need some financial help. 132 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: You know, some of them are badly hurt and they're 133 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: gonna have big hospital bills, and as recruits, I don't 134 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: know exactly what kind of benefits. Yeah, I don't know. 135 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: I don't know either that they that they are, they're young, 136 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: who knows what their health insurance situation is. So you 137 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: can go to that page and if you could be 138 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: a generous in your donations, I mean, certainly I think 139 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: people are going to want to do that for police recruits. 140 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: All right. Coming up next you will have an opportunity 141 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: to win a thousand dollars. It's our inflation bonus cash money. 142 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 1: Have to listen for the keyword that's coming. Johnny kenkf 143 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: I AM six forty live everywhere, the iHeartRadio app. Okay, 144 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: So we did put up a link on our web 145 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: page for how you can help those police recruits who 146 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: are run over by that man in South Whittier yesterday morning. 147 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: Just go to kf I AM sixty dot com, get 148 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: to the John and Ken page, click the story about 149 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: the charges against that man, and then you scroll down 150 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: and you'll see a place where you can send some 151 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: aid to these police recruits. Let's Sheriff Nueva was just 152 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: on and he said, investigators believe that this was intentional, 153 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: that this character intentionally mowed down the police recruits. That 154 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: we'll see how that pans out in the coming days 155 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: and weeks. Imagine we'll get an attorney and eventually there'll 156 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: be a story. But story is kind of quiet right 157 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: now as far as anything coming from his side about 158 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: how this or why this happened. So also, the sheriff said, 159 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: toxicology reports or pending when it comes to perhaps substance 160 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: abuse such as marijuana he did not test drunk, but 161 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: as the sheriff said, he was posing on his way 162 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: to work, so he wasn't probably tired. Right. Well, the marijuana, 163 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: the whole drug thing is irrelevant. If he intended to 164 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: do this doesn't matter if you stoned or not, right, 165 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: But they have to prove that. No, I know that 166 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: they have to. I don't know how you prove intent. 167 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: Although it looks like him, it looks like it was 168 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: intentional to my eyes, because it doesn't look like it 169 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: was an accidentally losing control. But I mean, you know, 170 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: it's that's really bad. Well, we take you out to 171 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: the longstanding saga of our horrible Los Angeles County District 172 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: Attorney George Gascombe, and we go across the country for 173 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: a different viewpoint. People like George Soros and his like 174 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: have been contributing to DA races around the country for 175 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: some time now. A person they gave a lot of 176 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: money to back in twenty seventeen was the Philadelphia DA 177 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: Larry Krasner. He won election that year, and in fact, 178 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: he won reelection last year. But now the Pennsylvania House 179 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: of Representatives has voted to impeach him. In that state, 180 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: they apparently allow the legislature to impeach a DA. What 181 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: happens next is there's like a trial in the Pennsylvania 182 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: Senate and then he's removed if they have a two 183 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: thirds majority vote there. Don't know if that's likely to happen, 184 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: but well it's it's you don't have a two thirds 185 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: Republican Senate there, you do not, So it's just going 186 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:21,599 Speaker 1: to get partisan, I assume, because everything does. But Philadelphia 187 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: witnessed five hundred and sixty two homicides last year, a 188 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: new high that is the most in its three hundred 189 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: and forty year history. Five hundred and sixty two. Over 190 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: two thousand people have already been shot in Philadelphia this year, 191 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: and Krastner no longer seeks cash bail for twenty five 192 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: different offenses, including retail theft, so you could steal whatever 193 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 1: you wish. You won't even spend five minutes in jail. 194 00:11:55,440 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: And seventy percent of violent offenses were withdrawn or dismissed 195 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: by Krasner's office or the judiciary. That's up fifty one 196 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: percent in a year. And gun crimes, and usually the 197 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 1: progressive nuts are so crazy anti gun, he didn't prosecute 198 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: eighteen percent of the gun cases in twenty nineteen and 199 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: twenty one percent of him twenty twenty, which is about 200 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: double the state average. So we bring you back to 201 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 1: La County where we have George Gascone, the same kind 202 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: of guy as as Larry Krasner in Philadelphia. They want 203 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: to basically blow up the criminal justice system. They don't 204 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: want people going to jail or prison. They want to 205 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: shorten sentences for murderers. You know the list by now. 206 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: It resulted in an attempt to recall Gascone from office. 207 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: We take you back now to August of twenty nineteen. 208 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: There was quite a story. In fact, that date, I 209 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 1: guess was August twenty first of twenty nineteen. We've covered 210 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: it quite a bit here on the John and Kenschall 211 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: There was an La County shore deputy who faked being 212 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: shot by a sniper. Do you remember that story? Yeah? 213 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: I think it was up in Lancaster, wasn't it. And 214 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: this resulted in quite a response since that was called 215 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: it in that he'd been shot. He was well, here 216 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: we are three years later there. Eventually there was a trial. However, 217 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: the trial was conducted by this La County DA's office 218 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 1: and Deputy Angel Renosa was convicted of just one little 219 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: misdemeanor count filing a false police report. That's it for 220 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: all that he did. And remember the response size helicopters, 221 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I can't remember. It seemed like half the 222 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: officers in La County showed up in Lancaster. Yep. He 223 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: apparently it shot himself, as I recall, and he was 224 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 1: having some problems at work and he thought this might 225 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: be a way to get some sympathy and get some 226 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: workers comp pay or something. I don't know. But he 227 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: was charged with two felonies and a misdemeanor. But this jury, 228 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: because it's La County DA George Gascon's deputy das who 229 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: conduct the trial, and apparently the man who did conduct 230 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: the trial is another one of these public defender types. 231 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: Deputy District Attorney George apt was the prosecutor. He actually 232 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: contributed to Gascon's election campaign in twenty twenty. He's also 233 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: named in a civil service complaint that he lacks the 234 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: experience to work as a prosecutor. So now you know 235 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: who we're talking about, basically a public defender was the 236 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: one who ran this trial for the La County DA's office, 237 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: and he probably only did a half hearted job and 238 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: the jury only convicted this guy one simple misdemeter, you know, 239 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: and I mean nobody was hurt that day, but it 240 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: was just an incredible this will result in a maximum 241 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: By the way, County jail gascons people are so incompetent 242 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: they can't even nail a cop, and that's their reason 243 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: to be. Yeah, they love to go after Gascon got 244 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: into office so he can start prosecuting cops, and then 245 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: he gets one to prosecute and he botches it. Well, 246 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: they didn't hurt a civilian, so they probably didn't think 247 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: it was bigger case for them. Oh, he'll probably serve 248 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: no time, considered a non violent offender who probably wouldn't 249 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: serve any jail time in Elliott County for this. Oh 250 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: that that's that's ridiculous. He caused a lot of mayhem 251 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: and a lot of fear that day. I've forgotten completely 252 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: about this case until I saw this story. Um. One 253 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: veteran attorney the DA's office said, here, you have a 254 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: public defender with his first felony trial as a prosecutor, 255 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: and he can't win against a copford defrauding the sheriff's department. 256 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: I can't think of a more slam dunk case. And 257 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: the whole thing was on television. I mean, I mean, 258 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: I'm but you know what public defenders, they don't have 259 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: the right talent. They don't have the right intellect to 260 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: be a prosecutor. Well that's not usually how they lean, 261 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: right yeah, But I mean they don't have the skill set. 262 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: It's not only their belief system, but the skills to 263 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: build a case to declare someone guilty. They spend all 264 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: their lives insisting that guilty people are not guilty. Well 265 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: they tear down cases, right, yeah, they don't build cases. 266 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: That's not in there in the structure of the way 267 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: they think. 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We are giving away four packs of tickets 284 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: to Disneyland. Not right now, but yes, but not right now, 285 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: but eventually between now and six o'clock. And that'll make 286 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: your family happy, yes, you know, especially it's very holiday 287 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 1: festive there, and maybe they'll forgive you for what you've 288 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: done to them. Wow, always go dark. Life is dark. 289 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: The life is dark. Really, don't you find cheery spots 290 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: and they're smiling? Deborah Mark down the other room there, whatever, Oh, 291 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 1: tell me about it, mister Sunshine. I am mister Sunshine 292 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: compared to you, everything and everybody suspicions from you. Yeah, well, 293 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: all right, finish the announcement. Oh, oh, the whole thing. 294 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: Oh you don't have to then, if you don't need too, well, no, 295 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: you should explain what magic is. Magic is Holidays at 296 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 1: the Disneyland Resort and ca if I wants to send 297 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: you to experience the festive joy you've been dreaming about, 298 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 1: you know, festive Joy. Magic is Sleeping Beauty's Winter Castle 299 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: covered in festive lights, the Disney Festival of Holidays, Disney 300 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: Viva Navi Dodd Street Party. Magic is the Holidays now 301 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 1: through January sixth. Both tickets and park reservations required. Visit 302 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 1: Disneyland dot com for important details. Offering subject to capacity 303 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: restrictions and change without notice. Well, the story out of Idaho, 304 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: what's the expression gets curious sir and curious sir? And 305 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: that is, of course the murder of four University the 306 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: of Idaho students. They were killed in their off campus 307 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 1: home early Sunday morning. We did learn late yesterday, there 308 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 1: was a press conference in the afternoon from Idaho. Please 309 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,239 Speaker 1: that there were two other roommates in the house at 310 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,479 Speaker 1: the time of these murders. It's two women. As it 311 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: turns out, the four that were killed were three females 312 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: and a male. Will get into that at a moment, 313 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 1: but they are not suspects in the murder. We can 314 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 1: only speculate that they may have been asleep somewhere else 315 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: in the house and didn't hear this happening. We have 316 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: learned today from an autopsy that they sure we're stabbed 317 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: to death. I think we kind of knew that already, 318 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: but that's the official report. The police, why this gets curious, 319 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 1: originally said well, this was a targeted killing, and then 320 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: suddenly yesterday at the press conferences, they weren't so sure 321 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: that they could assure the community that we're all safe 322 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: because whoever killed them is still out there. There's a killer, 323 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: and now it's possible that there's more than one killer 324 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: that was involved in this. A couple of things emerged today. 325 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: There is video from a food truck showing two of 326 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: the students order food at a truck in Moscow, Idaho. Moscow, 327 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: by the way, it's only twenty five thousand people. It's 328 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: very small town. One one am, so we now know 329 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: from that timeline they were killed. After that. They think 330 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: they were killed somewhere between three and four am. The 331 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 1: video shows Madison Mogan and Kaylee gone Calvis ordering carbinar 332 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 1: from grub truckers, and they waited about ten minutes for 333 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 1: their food. They're chatting with each other and people standing 334 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: by the truck. Everything looks fine. It's what they'd learned 335 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: from this. The man who runs the food truck said 336 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: they didn't seem to be in distress or danger in 337 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: any way. So according to the timeline of this, these 338 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 1: two girls eventually go back to the house. Looks like 339 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: the other two were at some kind of party. They 340 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: all returned to the home early Sunday, sometime after one 341 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: forty five am. And what happened to them exactly after that, 342 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: we don't know, but boy, the crime scene was horribly bloody. 343 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: The police said there was no evidence of forced entry. 344 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: What eventually happened is somebody called nine one about an 345 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: unconscious person and that's when the police came to the home. 346 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: They found the gruesome crime scene. They found the two 347 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: living roommates who were there and again are not believed 348 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 1: to be suspects in this mass murder. A couple of 349 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: things we learned. Ethan Shapen is the male victim. This 350 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 1: is kind of unusual, really a little extra sad. He's 351 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 1: one of triplets, so he's got you know, identical whether 352 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 1: they're brothers, males or females. Ever assume that usually it's 353 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: all males. Right, when you have triplets, it's all the 354 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: same genderation. I guess you could have no, I guess 355 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: you can have different. Yeah. So the report today was 356 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: about the autopsy. It's a very strange case. There is 357 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: a family member of Chapins who was saying that they're 358 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 1: very upset with the police that they're not giving out 359 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 1: any information. They should be telling the community that maybe 360 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: you're not safe. They're just not saying enough. They don't 361 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: seem to be doing enough. It's a small town police 362 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 1: department is going to figure this out. That's you know, 363 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: that's all I think they brought. I think the NBI 364 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 1: is there now, right, But I mean, you know, the 365 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: first critical hours. Small town police departments frequently botched investigations. 366 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: I heard today they haven't had a murder there in 367 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: six years, So nobody knows how to investigate a murder, Yes, 368 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: especially one with this many victims and this messy and 369 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:44,959 Speaker 1: this mysterious Ethan Shapeman and another of the victims, as 370 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: Zanna Coronatal, were a couple. I don't know if that 371 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: enters into this in any way, because this kind of 372 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: crime where nothing was stolen from the house, indicates it 373 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: was somebody in a real rage over something thing, and 374 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: the first possibility that pops up, especially since their young 375 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: college students, would be something romantic went awry, right, and 376 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: he just somebody's really jealous and unhappy and decides to 377 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 1: take everybody in the house out. Yeah, whoever was there, 378 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: I mean, the other two girls apparently were somewhere in 379 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,360 Speaker 1: the house. But then, you know what I wonder, I see, 380 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 1: I wonder if the original information is accurate, because we've 381 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: just had too many stories where you hear one story 382 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 1: and then three days later it's something else because now 383 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: they claimed, you know, there's no danger to the rest 384 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: of the community. Well maybe there is danger to the 385 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: rest of the community. And now we find out there 386 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: were two other people in the house, but they didn't 387 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: call nine one till almost noontime. I think they were sleeping, 388 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: and possibly everybody was sleeping when whoever did this to 389 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: stabbed them so they couldn't even know yell out. That 390 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 1: would only explain why he was able to pull this 391 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 1: off without any signs of resistance or anybody you know, 392 00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: hearing anything to call the police. Right, But I mean, 393 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 1: he must have stabbed He had to stabb everyone that 394 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 1: viciously without waking anyone up, whether they were sleeping in 395 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 1: the same room or how or it could be they 396 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: may be looking for more than one suspect, right how 397 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: other people think, well maybe there was we're a drug 398 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: deal gone awry involved, you know. Again, they so college students, 399 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: because I didn't see this where they were found where 400 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: they found they have not. I don't think they've indicated 401 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: that where they were found in the house. No, right, 402 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: because you could have a guy who walks in and 403 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: tells everybody, you know, get on your knees, you know, 404 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: hands behind your back, and has a gun trained on him, 405 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: or you know, several guns trained on him, and then 406 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: he has his way with the stabbing. Or did he 407 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: sneak up one at a time on them lying in 408 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 1: their beds. Yeah, I don't know. It's a pretty hideous. 409 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: It really really horror movie stuff. Here. There's a guy 410 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: that works at a local store. It says the police 411 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: did come in and ask him if he sold a 412 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 1: certain type of knife, which he does not, but clearly 413 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: that I don't think they've recovered the murder weapon. But 414 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: you can tell from stab wound. Sometimes they've called it 415 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 1: a knife, not rambo like knife is what I've heard too. 416 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: And if you saw the Rambo movie It's balloone, you 417 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: kind of get the idea of what they're talking about. 418 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: All Right, we got more coming up. It's the John 419 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: and Ken Show kf I am six forty live everywhere 420 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app. All Right, five o'clock hour brings 421 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: us the final keyword of the day and also separately 422 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 1: your chance for a four pack of tickets to Disneyland. 423 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: Stay tuned for all of that. Will begin the hour 424 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 1: with the master Plan. California's carbon neutral climate plan has 425 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: come out. By the year twenty forty five will be 426 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: carbon free in the state. Oh one thing it was 427 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: a bit of a surprise in there we need to 428 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: talk about first. And of course these idiots, it does 429 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 1: prove they really don't know what they're talking about, it 430 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: what they're doing, because they completely overlook something that now 431 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: suddenly in this new plan they're paying attention to. Upfront. 432 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 1: We'll get into this in the five o'clock hour. Well, 433 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 1: it is my hope right now on the John and 434 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: Ken Show. Seriously, this topic has come up before. We 435 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 1: want to bring the meat eater and the animal lover 436 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: together and make peace. What that would be you the 437 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,120 Speaker 1: animal lover? That would be John the meat eater. Good 438 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: luck with that. Never, the FDA has given a safety 439 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: nod to no kill meat. It could be for sale 440 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: soon in the United States. What is no kill meat? 441 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 1: No kill Meat is produced by a company out of 442 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: San Francisco called Upside Foods San Francisco. It was co 443 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: founded by Uma Valetti, a cardiologist who dreamed of producing 444 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: meat in a different way. Instead of raising livestock on 445 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: farms and killing them in slaughterhouse is, he wanted to 446 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: find a way to grow them in a production facility 447 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 1: by culturing animal cells. This idea came to him years 448 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: ago when he was seeing heart attack patients at the 449 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: Mayo Clinic. They would grow human heart cells in a lab. 450 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: He says, If you could do that, why couldn't you 451 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: grow meat? Well you could. I guess. You can extract 452 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: cells from an animal with a needle biopsy, place them 453 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: in tanks, feed them nutrients they need to proliferate, including fats, sugar, 454 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 1: amino acids, and vitamins, and you end up with meat. 455 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: He says, tastes exactly the same. Then I bring us 456 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: up because always say say I know, because we're seeing 457 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: a real downturn this beyond meat, this, these meat substitute 458 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,719 Speaker 1: products apparently are tumbling in the marketplace because they don't 459 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: taste good. Beyond meat. What's the other one? Impossible burger meat. 460 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,479 Speaker 1: There's not an of meat in there, So that's why 461 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: it's not gonna taste like it. It's a fake name 462 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: on a fake product. So what if there's a moratorium 463 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: on killing animals and this is this is all you got, John, 464 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,360 Speaker 1: You gotta have this type of meat or you got 465 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: to go be a vegetarian or a vegan. Do you 466 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 1: know people are eating more meat now than ever? Yeah, 467 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 1: you always say that because it's always true. Well, I mean, 468 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: right now it's chicken. He says, they're gonna possibly move 469 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: over to other species, which I guess would eventually be 470 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: steak and beef. Well, it's it's it's got to taste 471 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: the same and it has to have the same flavor, 472 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: the same feel when you bite into it. They took 473 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: years of experimentation, a crew of biologists, biochemistists, biochemists to 474 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: turn this product into something that could be eaten. But 475 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: you're right, the real test is in the taste. So 476 00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: don't you adopt a new sense of taste so that 477 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: you don't have to have it tasted? I really like 478 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: real meat. Are you mocking me? How do you adopt 479 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: a new sense of time? Just saying maybe you just 480 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: widen your taste buds? I don't know. That's a heck 481 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: of an operation. You know what I'm saying. You need 482 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: to evolve, John, Why don't you process what I'm saying 483 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: before answering though quickly evolve? Is that what you just 484 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: asked me to do is to evolve. I am trapped 485 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: in my cave, I know, but you can change. There's 486 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: there's there's plenty of time for that. He did warn 487 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: me this was a long shot to bring you two 488 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 1: together on this. So I mean now that the big 489 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: story is the FDA has approved this. So the next 490 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: step is that they can manufacture for human consumption. They're 491 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: not going to be able to make much though, no, 492 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: but obviously if people take to it, that's easy. There 493 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: is a picture here. They're looking at a recently cooked 494 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: chicken breast on the plate. It looks like any other 495 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: chicken breast. Well, it all looks good. I mean, even 496 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: one of those fake meat burgers that was the one 497 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: that was presented to me a few years ago when 498 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: we were at Chef Bruno's that looked good. Seventy two 499 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: percent of baby boomers and eighty two eighty eight percent 500 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: of gen zeers who were asked said they would be 501 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: open to try and cultivated meat. That's basically what it's 502 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: what it's called. Well, yeah, you're open to try it once, 503 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: but there can't be a weird aftertaste. When I ate 504 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: one of those fake meat burgers, the first bite was okay, 505 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: and then after a few seconds like, uh, you know, 506 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: there was some you know, just awful aftertaste. What about 507 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: adding I don't know, ketchup mustard something, just to disguise 508 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: it the sky. If you have to disguise, it means 509 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: it taste beat, But then it means no animals are killed. 510 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: I mean, come on, I always says this when she's 511 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: trying to get me eat vegetables. She goes, well, you know, 512 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: I can melt a lot of cheese on it and 513 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: then you can taste to vetch. Well, I'm not going 514 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: to steat the cheese now that the developer here says, 515 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: and he gave a good response. The reporter who was 516 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: given a sample a pan. The pan fried chicken. It 517 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: was cooked in white wine butter sauce, which she said, well, 518 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: everything tastes good, But she says it's good and it 519 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: tastes like chicken because it is chicken. Because it is chicken. 520 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: It's cultivated from the actual cells of chicken. It's not 521 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: some made up peas smash peas or soy or hold on. 522 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: You can take my right arm and make a burger 523 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: out of it and it'll taste good with white wine 524 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: butter sauce, but it would still be you. So if 525 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: somebody was accounibal, but I think they could eat you 526 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: direct or they could take a cell out of your 527 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: arm and cultivate you in a lab and eat. If 528 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: you could put white wine butter sauce on almost anything, 529 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: it'll taste good. Yeah, they probably shouldn't have served it 530 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: that way, but that's how people eat chicken. There a 531 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: lot of people don't eat chicken without any seasoning on it. 532 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: So you know, you gotta be realistic about this, Except 533 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: for you. You eat a steak with nothing, right, put 534 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: anything on a steak salt? Yes, well, what are those 535 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: at steak seasoning? What about steak sauce? No, no, nothing liquid, nothing, 536 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: male butter on it. Yeah, a little salt, you don't 537 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: to give it, give it all the different flavors, but no, no, no, 538 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 1: no sauce. Now, the story says it's still gonna be meat, 539 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: So vegans and vegetarians may not take to this because 540 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: it's still meat. Even though you're not killing animals, you're 541 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: consuming meat, and people for health reasons don't want to 542 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: do that. So all right, well we're gonna bring some 543 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: into the station shore if you can. You can get 544 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: a fake cultivated burger out of test tube, have at it, 545 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: can show kfy AM six forty live everywhere, the iHeartRadio 546 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: app deber Mark live in the twenty four hour Calfine 547 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: News Room