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Speaker 2: to Patriots Unfiltered. Oh yeah, yeah, we'll have Mike ravel

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Speaker 3: Fiftieth birthday.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't realize he was a Leo until last night.

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Speaker 5: But that's great news for us.

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Speaker 2: Well, why if things start to click all of a sudden, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you've got what Paul considers weapons.

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Speaker 3: Yes, keep your very friendly here.

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Speaker 6: It's just everywhere you walk in. Welcome back, great to

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Speaker 6: see you.

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Speaker 7: Like, are you sure.

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Speaker 2: Where is Evans? He's down Yonder somewhere else, so he

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Speaker 2: can do clinics and everybody else. But he can't do this.

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Speaker 2: There is no legitimacy to astrology. It's a gateway drug

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Speaker 2: to conspiracy. For I don't put you that up. I

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Speaker 2: see she's getting mad. I don't know. There's an interesting

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Speaker 2: rabbit hole anyway, Johnson.

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Speaker 6: That intersex Christianity and the tyrology and the Venn diagram

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Speaker 6: where those two things meet.

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Speaker 4: It's just a fascinating rabbit hole.

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Speaker 3: There you go, so right on the ViRGE of Leo.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here

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Speaker 2: at Jillette Stadium. It's me and Paul Evan and Duce

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Speaker 2: will be here shortly. They're finishing up their team assignments.

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Speaker 2: But we had a lot to talk about. We'll talk

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Speaker 2: about the preseason game that we saw in the Star

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Speaker 2: of that game.

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Speaker 8: Obviously, I'm going to need more information.

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Speaker 2: Oh you know who it is.

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Speaker 8: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I didn't say one.

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Speaker 8: Good for your friend, Okay, good for you.

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll talk about him, but we'll also talk

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Speaker 2: about getting ready for the end of the season. I

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Speaker 8: But it's coming fast now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all indications are that it's not going to be

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Speaker 8: And they've banged up a little bit too, So yeah,

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Speaker 8: I mean I thought, based on the way Vrabel spoke

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Speaker 2: And I also want to talk about a report that's

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Speaker 8: About when you raise your eyebrows like that, I get

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Speaker 2: Heard there were three teams that reached out to the

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Speaker 2: you know. So I don't think that's really breaking news

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Speaker 2: You know, I hear that the Bengals, and again this

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Speaker 2: So let's forget about the money for a second. Would

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Speaker 8: That's a little bit of a flawed way of doing it, okay,

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Speaker 8: And you and I both do that a lot. We

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Speaker 8: they're actively pursuing these kinds of possibilities. I hope that

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Speaker 9: I think that's where has been the best, is rushing

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Speaker 4: Which I tried to talk.

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Speaker 4: Know, but it was it was like a hard stop,

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Speaker 9: Because I went to Zach Krer, who pron cor I

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Speaker 4: It's just what is this scheme?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I thought, you know, the offense in early semi

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Speaker 8: Pads they have.

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Speaker 8: Now it's the same as last week, those early practices

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Speaker 2: They're in paths, they have the pants.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I got to get better recognizing that.

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Speaker 9: field goal, Drake looked better.

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Speaker 9: Uh So, getting to a point now where you kind

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Speaker 8: Side of telling Freddy that it's like it's starting to

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Speaker 2: Right and then maybe not though.

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Speaker 8: They're going to have your first uh, your first iteration

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Speaker 2: So let's go back to the game. We'll start there.

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Speaker 2: That happened on Saturday, And I told Paul we're going

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Speaker 2: All feigned ignorance, and I.

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Speaker 8: Just state emphatically, I'm not feigning. This is the least

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Speaker 8: So I've read a lot about the practices. I've read

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Speaker 8: I can't argue that you will get no arguments from

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Speaker 4: Two two series.

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Speaker 2: He was he was high on a lot of his throws,

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Speaker 2: So that's step one. He didn't miss that, the guys

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Speaker 4: Well, Caleb Williams let it up. That's one to Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 8: I think Joe Burrow's played five series and had four touchdowns,

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: So I don't think most frontline guys play a lot.

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Speaker 12: What.

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Speaker 2: I love to see him being on target right from

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I've given a lot of praise to Drake. I

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Speaker 9: shown great poise. I just think overall he's been really

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Speaker 4: The film a little bit was that there are guys open.

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Speaker 9: But there's no question he's got to be more consistent

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Speaker 5: game against Minnesota, And the one that's going around is

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Speaker 5: the one that he ends up completing the Matt Collins,

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Speaker 5: but he had two open receivers within the structure or

443
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Speaker 5: the play that might have been touchdowns if he puts

444
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Speaker 5: the ball on Douglas and Kyle Williams down the field.

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Speaker 5: So you know, Brian Forlors did some tricky things, like

446
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Speaker 5: they get to cover two in different ways from different looks,

447
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Speaker 5: and I think.

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Speaker 13: Some of that came up in both games.

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Speaker 5: So, like I said, Le's concerned about the sprays because

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Speaker 5: that's that's it, Like he's gonna have one or two

451
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Speaker 5: of those a game.

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Speaker 13: A little bit more concerned about how he's reading the

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Speaker 13: field at this point.

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Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough. You know you would love to see

455
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Speaker 2: him play like a whole half or you know, to

456
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Speaker 2: kind of get into a groove. It's tough.

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Speaker 4: That's what's interesting to me.

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Speaker 9: I mean, maybe i'm again sometimes these things pop into

459
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Speaker 9: my head and you know, you guys will be like, no,

460
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Speaker 9: you're wrong, this is how it happens. But yeah, we

461
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Speaker 9: had some joint practices, but really haven't seen much of

462
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Speaker 9: him in the actual preseason games and maybe we don't

463
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Speaker 9: need to, but that stounds out to me as something

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Speaker 9: that's a little bit different. I think you usually at

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Speaker 9: least see a starting quarterback play a whole first half.

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Speaker 9: But maybe they like the work they're getting in the

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Speaker 9: joint practice. I think like they need.

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Speaker 2: Nowadays you don't. I think it's become more of the

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Speaker 2: norm that you don't see these eyes play a hole certainly.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I would say the established guys do not play.

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Speaker 8: But there's an argument to be made that he's not

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Speaker 8: Caleb Williams, Drake May second year, you know, I mean

473
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Speaker 8: Jade and Daniels didn't even attempt to pass and he played.

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Speaker 8: He didn't play. He didn't play in the Patriots game,

475
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Speaker 8: but he played last night, didn't even attempt to pass,

476
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Speaker 8: played four plays and he ran in, as Evan said,

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Speaker 8: for a touchdown.

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Speaker 5: Kind of like they had a I think it was

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Speaker 5: a battle or safety had and Daniels lined up and

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Speaker 5: he actually.

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Speaker 13: Didn't hit him.

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Speaker 2: Was that right?

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Speaker 14: Yeah?

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Speaker 13: And everybody was getting on battle for it, and I think.

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Speaker 4: Respect.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we got a bad mic here, Okay, so we

487
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Speaker 2: got we got some in show repairs.

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Speaker 8: So but I do feel like, for the most part,

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Speaker 8: I agree with you, Fred. I don't think that a

490
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Speaker 8: lot of starting quarterbacks get any kind of extended time,

491
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Speaker 8: you know, gone the days of that third preseason game

492
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Speaker 8: that was the dress rehearsal where you know, like the

493
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Speaker 8: whole first unit would play the whole first half and

494
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Speaker 8: then the first drive of the second half to go

495
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Speaker 8: through the half to No one does that anymore. I

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Speaker 8: mean when I say no one, I'm sure that someone

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Speaker 8: has done it in the last few years. But you know,

498
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Speaker 8: Patrick Mahomes and those guys Josh Allen, they don't get

499
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Speaker 8: any if you know, much, if at any at all.

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Speaker 2: I think it's playing issue. But I'm in the minority.

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Speaker 2: You know. People are like, Okay, September football will suck,

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Speaker 2: so I think, but better.

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Speaker 8: But do you think September football is just getting worse

504
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Speaker 8: because I don't know.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm being told.

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Speaker 8: No, I think it's just always been bad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh you think it's always been bad.

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Speaker 8: Yeah. I mean Bill used to use it as an

509
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Speaker 8: extension of the preseason in the heart of the dynasty when.

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Speaker 2: They you know, well, he knew he was you know,

511
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Speaker 2: he knew he was old.

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Speaker 8: But I'm just saying I think September football has always

513
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Speaker 8: been sort of less than ideal. Yeah, you don't really

514
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Speaker 8: know what you have until you get you know, you

515
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Speaker 8: get into the heart of like say October, and you

516
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Speaker 8: sort of settle in. You know what everybody else is doing.

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Speaker 8: They know what you were doing. You made your adjustments.

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Speaker 8: Now you figure it out.

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Speaker 2: Well, at least we're not the Colts, right They announced

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Speaker 2: today that Daniel Jones is going to be their starter.

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Speaker 8: Does it really, Mattery dimes.

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Speaker 2: It matters that they might have whiffed on their quarterback selection.

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Speaker 8: Well, I don't think there's any might. I think that

524
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Speaker 8: ship is saled. Well, I watched the last two years.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying, like, here's a new season. He still had

526
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Speaker 2: a chance to win his job and he couldn't do

527
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Speaker 2: it Richardson, And so they're kind of starting over because

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Speaker 2: I don't think Daniel. I don't think they're looking at

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Speaker 2: Daniel Jones as their quarterback of the future, right, I

530
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Speaker 2: doubt it.

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Speaker 5: I think that staff is kind of on the hot

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Speaker 5: seat too. And because Richardson I think has played pretty

533
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Speaker 5: well in the preseason for what it's worth, but he's

534
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Speaker 5: so volatile that if you're a coach that needs to

535
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Speaker 5: win right now, then hitching your wagon to Anthony Richardson

536
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Speaker 5: is dicey yep.

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Speaker 8: And at least if you're you know, I agree with em,

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Speaker 8: and I think Shane Steichen is looking at it as

539
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Speaker 8: kind of like Brian Dable when we were talking in

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Speaker 8: the draft, like they're gonna have to find a way

541
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Speaker 8: to win some games, and Daniel Jones has at least

542
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Speaker 8: had some success in the NFL, Anthony Richardson really hasn't.

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Speaker 2: All right, so off of calls back to our team.

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Speaker 2: So we talked about Drake's performance in that preseason game

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Speaker 2: in Minnesota. Offensive line. Again, I'm going to use the

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Speaker 2: same caveat I gave to Drake. If I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to like panic about Drake for two series, I'm not

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Speaker 2: going to like judge too much about what I saw

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Speaker 2: from the offensive line. But for the most part, I

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Speaker 2: think it was it was pretty good. Would you guys

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Speaker 2: agree or not?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, toenerally speaking, sure.

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Speaker 5: It's really small sample size for the starters Campbell, those

555
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Speaker 5: guys played like fifteen snaps, not a ton of like

556
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Speaker 5: real drop back passing either, So you only saw like

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Speaker 5: one or two traditional dropbacks in the entire game for

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Speaker 5: those starters. But I think the only thing that you know,

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Speaker 5: maybe a little bit of a question mark right now

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Speaker 5: at center. I don't know if Garrett Bradberry is is

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Speaker 5: solidified right now as the starting center. It could be

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Speaker 5: Ben Brown, could be Jared Wilson. We saw a rotation

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Speaker 5: in there today.

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Speaker 2: Spots. I mean, I would think right now that the

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Speaker 2: question marks in the line is left guard and center. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I with my guess and this is just a guess.

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Speaker 2: Ben Brown's going to start at center and uh, I

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Speaker 2: mean I'm sorry, Ben Brown's going to start at guard

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Speaker 2: and Bradbury's going to start at center. Oh, that's that's

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Speaker 2: my guess right now.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it depends on like how how much

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Speaker 5: they're willing to kind of roll the dice with a

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Speaker 5: younger player and Jared Wilson, Because I think there's no

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Speaker 5: question that Jared Wilson's a better player than Garrett Bradberry.

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Speaker 5: But he's going to take some rookie.

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Speaker 2: Right, I'm just saying to start, right.

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Speaker 5: So do you live with those out of the gate

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Speaker 5: and let him grow as a player, or you know,

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Speaker 5: Bradberry's had some issues in pass protection. You know he

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Speaker 5: in practice and in the games. So at what point

581
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Speaker 5: do you say that Jared Wilson is just a better

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Speaker 5: player right than Garrett Brad.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully sooner than later. But now I want to tie

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Speaker 2: in the offensive line to Drake's performance. So, Evan, you

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Speaker 2: mentioned that you think Drake might have trouble seeing the field.

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Speaker 2: That's your your concerns sort of right now rather than.

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Speaker 5: Last year.

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Speaker 2: I'm just does McDaniels in in the and the coaches

589
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Speaker 2: have to work with Drake about resetting his clock, his

590
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Speaker 2: mental clock from last year to this year, where by

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Speaker 2: the end of the season his mental clock had to

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Speaker 2: be sped up because he didn't really have any time

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Speaker 2: to do anything. And maybe now you have to say, Drake,

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Speaker 2: forget about last year. That clock has to be reset

595
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Speaker 2: because you're going to have a little bit more time.

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Speaker 2: You're going to have to stay in there, a little

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Speaker 2: bit longer than you got used to staying in last year.

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Speaker 2: Is that something you think that could be an issue

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Speaker 2: about why maybe he's not seeing the field the way

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Speaker 2: you think he should or should have in that game.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe, I definitely think that's possible. On one of

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Speaker 5: the plays, he looked like he had Kyle Williams uncovering

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Speaker 5: over the middle of the field on the throwaway, the

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Speaker 5: one he threw it away towards the end of his

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Speaker 5: second drive, and he didn't hang in there. You know,

606
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Speaker 5: he saw a flash of pressure coming up the middle,

607
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Speaker 5: little stunt inside, and he saw the guy coming free

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Speaker 5: and he just got out of there. If he had

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Speaker 5: hung in there for an extra beat and just kind

610
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Speaker 5: of feathered the ball over the first level to Kyle Williams.

611
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Speaker 5: Kyle Williams gonna have all sorts of space in the

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Speaker 5: middle of the field. So maybe on like once or twice,

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Speaker 5: I've seen some of that, but a lot of what

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Speaker 5: I saw from the Minnesota tape was just Brian Flora's

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Speaker 5: disguising coverage and when Drake may doesn't get the coverage

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Speaker 5: that he's expecting, like how is his reaction to improvising

617
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Speaker 5: at that point? Because I think Josh McDaniel is one

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Speaker 5: of those coordinators that's gonna give you a bunch of

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Speaker 5: coverage beaters. And when they anticipate a coverage and then

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Speaker 5: they don't get that coverage, like, how do you react

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Speaker 5: to that post snap? You know, when they show like

622
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Speaker 5: the slot receiver goes in motion, it looks like it's

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Speaker 5: man to man and then all of a sudden they

624
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Speaker 5: fall into cover two. Like that's a different look than

625
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Speaker 5: what you were expecting. So how do you react to that? Like,

626
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Speaker 5: those are the couple of things.

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Speaker 2: But that came up to me. That's becoming offense one

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Speaker 2: on one in the NFL because all teams are doing that.

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Speaker 2: They are It's all about deception, right, So if you're

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Speaker 2: not good at that, I don't know how long your

631
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Speaker 2: career is going to be as an NFL quarterback.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was crazy, Like I thought it was pretty

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Speaker 5: I didn't think that this was like vanilla coverage from

634
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Speaker 5: the vikings and the joint practices or the preseason game.

635
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Speaker 5: Now they have in a preseason game, they have the

636
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Speaker 5: nickel corner motioning with Pop Douglas and then dropping into

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Speaker 5: the half field as the half field safety. Like you

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Speaker 5: don't that's not You're not going to see that in

639
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Speaker 5: college or in high school football. Like that's that's NFL football.

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Speaker 5: And so when you see that type of stuff, how

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Speaker 5: does he adjust? You know, he had Pop Douglas on

642
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 5: that play on the linebacker in a foot race, and

643
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Speaker 5: like that's a race that Pop Douglas is gonna win

644
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Speaker 5: every single time. So you just have to trust it

645
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Speaker 5: and let it rip. As Deuce was saying earlier, So

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Speaker 5: that was just what I saw. I didn't have his

647
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Speaker 5: like the high throws don't bother me as much as

648
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Speaker 5: they do with everybody else, because I'm kind of with you.

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Speaker 5: I think he would he will settle into games and

650
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Speaker 5: like the amped upness that he clearly had will calm

651
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 5: down as the game wears on. I'm more looking at

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Speaker 5: it like, is he's seeing it correctly? And is he

653
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Speaker 5: seeing rotation?

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Speaker 2: Hey eye helping that? Not AI but virtual reality? How

655
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Speaker 2: they do that.

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Speaker 4: Would hope.

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Speaker 9: So, I mean that seems the perfect kind of thing

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Speaker 9: where he can put on a headset and see these

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Speaker 9: kind of coverages that maybe he's not reading correctly right now.

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Speaker 4: But a little bit of a disconnect just for me.

661
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 9: You never pointed out one play, But like I said

662
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 9: at the top, I feel like he's generally been pretty

663
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 9: comfortable in the pocket, so it doesn't look like he's

664
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 9: panicking a lot or you know, not knowing what he's seeing.

665
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 9: It's that's what was so frustrating watching it, is like

666
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 9: there it is, Drake, you know, Like when we saw

667
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 9: him rip a seam throw today to Hunter Henry, it

668
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 9: was beautiful, and then that throw was there to be

669
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 9: had in the game and he didn't really seem to

670
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 9: throw it. So you're left wondering, how is it's all

671
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 9: going to come together in two weeks against the Raiders.

672
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 4: What's it going to look like with.

673
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 9: Josh having to offset their weaknesses having all their complement

674
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 9: of weapons that they need.

675
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 4: You know, everybody seems like they're healthy right now.

676
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: I know it sounds flippant, but it's true. Like we

677
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 2: talk about Drake having to get used to maybe having

678
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 2: a little bit more time, he might have to get

679
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 2: used to guys getting open, Like I don't know how

680
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 2: often that happened last year. Yeah, I know.

681
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 5: So it's also dawned on me too about Pop in particular.

682
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 5: He's five foot eight, so it's not exactly the biggest

683
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 5: catch radius that you're throwing to in that spot. And

684
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 5: you know, the one that was high, Like, if that's

685
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 5: Mac Collins, that's not high, but because it's Pop Douglas,

686
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 5: that pass is high. So you have to like learn

687
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 5: to throw two different body types at receiver. You know,

688
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 5: the player I was talking about or Pop is winning

689
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 5: against the linebacker that's throwing a forty yard bomb to

690
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 5: a five foot eight wide receiver. And I just wonder

691
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 5: if there's maybe a level of trust there down the field,

692
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 5: Like he clearly will throw the ball to Pop underneath,

693
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 5: but when it comes to pushing it, let's down the field, Like,

694
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 5: how much trust does he have to that Pop's gonna

695
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 5: win the ball down the field?

696
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, I would just say, again not talking about the

697
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 8: game specific, but I haven't really seen him have more

698
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 8: time in general. The days that I watch practice, and

699
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 8: I think we've had eighteen practices now, and I wouldn't

700
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 8: even include today when they're not even in full pads,

701
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 8: I wouldn't say that time hasn't been an issue anymore,

702
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 8: like they have this fixed. You know, from what I

703
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 8: read in the joint practices, there were several would be sacks. Now,

704
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 8: maybe he eludes some of those because he's such a

705
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 8: great athlete, but I don't think time is like, you know,

706
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 8: he's got the time. He's just got to say. You know,

707
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 8: maybe there were some plays in the game that he

708
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 8: had the time because all the guys that applied all

709
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 8: the pressure and the practices didn't play in the game.

710
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 8: But based on what I've seen in practice, well, the

711
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 8: amount of time that he has to throw is an issue.

712
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 2: Well, I just say in the game. It didn't seem

713
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 2: like he was under duress.

714
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 8: No, because they didn't play whatever. So that's what I'm saying.

715
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 2: If you're to your.

716
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 8: Point, like he played fifteen plays.

717
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 2: I know, but if you're rushing it when you don't

718
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 2: have duress, what are you going to do when you

719
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 2: do have dress?

720
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 8: You know, my guess is he's going to have duress

721
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 8: based on what I'm watching in practice. Yeah, so I

722
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 8: wouldn't get too comfortable. I just don't think my point.

723
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to be as bad as

724
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 2: last year.

725
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 8: It shouldn't be as bad as last year. But that's

726
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 8: not really saying a whole lot.

727
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: I know.

728
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 5: I it looks pretty significantly better to me than last year,

729
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 5: just because of how cohesive they look compared to last year.

730
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 5: Like you don't see, you know, the unblocked pressures, the blowbys,

731
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 5: the you know, alignment issues like one of those today

732
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 5: flags and like all that kind of stuff. You don't

733
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 5: see that quite as often in Minnesota. There was pressure,

734
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 5: but I actually thought he handled it really well. You know,

735
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 5: even Vrabel said like it could have turned into an

736
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 5: S storm out here, and it didn't, like he could

737
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 5: have Brian Flores could have put him in a blender

738
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 5: and he could have been throwing picks left and right

739
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 5: and not seeing it. And that didn't happen in Minnesota,

740
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 5: which made you feel positive. And then he gets into

741
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 5: the game and he looks tentative in the game. So

742
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 5: the practices he looked good, and then in the game

743
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 5: it didn't look so good. So I'm just that there's

744
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 5: a disconnect there between those two things that I think

745
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 5: is interesting. Between this past week, it was kind of

746
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 5: cool we got to see him out in a joint

747
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 5: practice for two straight days and then a game.

748
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 8: And I have a question for you too, and I

749
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 8: haven't really brought this up off air, Jared Wilson, from

750
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:50,239
Speaker 8: your from your viewpoint, he came, he was in and

751
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 8: out or out of the lineup. I think at times

752
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 8: on Thursday's practice performance related, physical related, and maybe a

753
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 8: little bit of both.

754
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, ankle, he said he tweaked his ankle a little

755
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 4: bit and that was.

756
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 9: But what do you think combination of yeah, yeah, yeah,

757
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 9: And it seems like he's now back in that mix,

758
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 9: So I don't know if that he was out of that.

759
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 8: Mixed temporarily like today he was in and out yeah, yeah,

760
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 8: that's so, I'm just wondering if they're you know, wondering

761
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 8: about him.

762
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 3: I think for sure he's ready.

763
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, No, I think it's uh right now, It's

764
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 9: feels like all three of those guys that interior that

765
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 9: you pointed out with brad Berry and Brown and him.

766
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, And have you.

767
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 9: Guys experienced this where you get down to the final

768
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 9: preseason game and you don't really know two spots on

769
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 9: the offensive line.

770
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess we have had.

771
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,720
Speaker 8: Some uncertain unfortunately we did last year.

772
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 5: Right, but for different reasons.

773
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 2: But for the most part, you know, usually no, but

774
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 2: that's that was the beauty of the dynasty, is that always?

775
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 8: See, That's why I'm wondering about the health. Yeah, Like

776
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 8: there's been times, but you don't know if so and

777
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 8: so is going to be ready to go. You know,

778
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 8: he missed most of camp he had this ankle problem,

779
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 8: But we don't know if he's going to be ready

780
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 8: to go this kind it doesn't seem like that to me.

781
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 8: It's just still trying to figure out what's the best five.

782
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 5: Yeah. I thought he played really pretty solidly at center

783
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 5: in the game. He played thirteen snaps at center and

784
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 5: sixteen at left guard, and I thought the snaps at

785
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 5: center were pretty good and you can see in the

786
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 5: future how he could be a really dynamic center if

787
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 5: they keep him there. So I wonder if that's an

788
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 5: option this season for him moving forward, because he looks

789
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 5: like he could be a really, really good center with

790
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 5: some development. So I kind of took it as a

791
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 5: I think the initial knee jerk reaction when we were

792
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 5: in Minnesota was maybe a demotion, and then this injury

793
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 5: thing popped up for him because during warmups in Minnesota,

794
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 5: he was warming up with the twos, and so it

795
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 5: kind of felt like that.

796
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 8: See, this is the insight. That's why I asked the question.

797
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 8: But I didn't hear any of this. I didn't read

798
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 8: any of this.

799
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 5: I didn't like, no one wants to call it a

800
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 5: demotion because it's there is an injury, and it's just

801
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 5: as weird. It was one of those weird things of

802
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 5: we weren't entirely sure, but then I thought he played

803
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 5: a lot better in this game than he played in

804
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 5: the Commander's game. Then this week he's back out there

805
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 5: with the ones, so maybe they saw it the same

806
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 5: way too, and now they're like, all right, He's going

807
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 5: to be somewhere in the mix here.

808
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

809
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 9: One other thing on this line that Evan and I

810
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 9: mentioned during the practice was just a little frustrating that

811
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 9: they've drafted so many guards over the past, you know,

812
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,439
Speaker 9: going back to twenty twenty two, that none of those

813
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 9: guys had really seemed to hit. I mean, Cole Strange,

814
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 9: Leyden Robinson, Cayden, Wallace City. So number of guys that

815
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 9: now were on Ben Brown who came in middle of

816
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 9: the last year as a center and now he seems

817
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 9: like the top.

818
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 8: It's always dangerous to do this because everybody else's camp

819
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 8: is great.

820
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 7: You know.

821
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 8: You look, you look on Twitter around the league, and

822
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 8: everybody's got it all figured out. Because everybody at this

823
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 8: time of year, as Ryan Rabel loves to say, is undefeated. Right,

824
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 8: Jake Andrews looks like he's got a starting spot in

825
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 8: Houston lost Jeez to revamp because their aligne was a

826
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 8: train wreck last year, much like the Patriots. So they've

827
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 8: put a lot of attention, much like the Patriots, and

828
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 8: they decided that a guy that evidently didn't fit here

829
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 8: I didn't know is a possibility. Mike. He could be

830
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 8: the worst center.

831
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 4: In football play center. Yeah, that's what he was here.

832
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 8: You know, I don't know, but I'm just reading stuff

833
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 8: about Jake Andrews having a good camp.

834
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 4: So we let get away.

835
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 8: But Murphy's another one who left last year City, So

836
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 8: like two years I just listened to Tom Curran on

837
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 8: on one of my showers and you know, City, so

838
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 8: two years ago was a starter and someone on the

839
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 8: radio tried to convince me that he was a Pro

840
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 8: Bowl caliber player. That person is no longer in the market.

841
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 4: That get out of here.

842
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 8: But you know, as much as I didn't think that

843
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 8: he was a Pro bowler, I mean he was playing

844
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 8: and now he's like an afterthought on like the third group.

845
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 8: He's not even in the mix at all.

846
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 5: Playing for a similar offense with Bill O'Brien, where you know,

847
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 5: you power guards and things like I'm a deuce on

848
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 5: that we were talking about it.

849
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 8: Like, this is disappointing.

850
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 5: They've drafted like five or six guys to play the

851
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 5: interior and none of them.

852
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 7: I mean, it.

853
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 2: Wouldn't be that much of a deal if at the

854
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 2: time that they drafted these guys they had a set line, right,

855
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 2: But they've been really searching for these people for the

856
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 2: last few.

857
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 8: Years, these guys have all had opportunity.

858
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 2: Right, Like, every year, every team drafts lineman. You need

859
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 2: a lot of them. You know, you've got five that

860
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 2: on there at a time, and guys get hurt. You

861
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 2: need a big room if you will alignement on every team, and.

862
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 8: So you're always drafting on the roster, right right, You're.

863
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 2: Always drafting lineman and a lot of them don't pan out.

864
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 2: But on a team where you needed people to step up,

865
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 2: they weren't able to do that.

866
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, And it's kind of funny how I feel like

867
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 5: the tackles, maybe just because we know it's going to

868
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 5: be Moses and Amble, but that was the conversation all

869
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 5: off season was about the tackles. And now we're sitting

870
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,439
Speaker 5: here three weeks ago to the season and we're talking

871
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 5: about the guards.

872
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 8: Yeah, the only yeah, I mean the question. I don't

873
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 8: really feel any better about any of it. But I

874
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 8: know the identity of the tackles, Like Evan just said,

875
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 8: there is no I mean we can say say, I

876
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 8: don't know, I think Lowe is making them. No, Will

877
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 8: Campbell's gonna play left tackle and Mogan mos is going

878
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 8: to play right tackle. If they're healthy. Right, we know

879
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 8: that we don't know exactly what's going to happen at

880
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 8: left guard and center right.

881
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 9: That's why, like just looking at Thursday night, left to right,

882
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 9: that offensive line, it's you know, Vederian Lowe, Kayden Wallace,

883
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,399
Speaker 9: Cole Strange City So and Marcus Bryant at right tackle.

884
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 9: I think that's an interesting group to watch. You're looking

885
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 9: for something to watch in a final preseason game.

886
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: I thinks a development absolutely.

887
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 9: And that's and of all the guys that you drafted

888
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 9: as a seventh rounder, he's been shown the most promised.

889
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 8: He's staying in the program.

890
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, sorry, Can any of those guys, especially let the

891
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 9: two guards, Can any of those guys show anything where

892
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 9: you say, she's let's hang on to this guy, maybe

893
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 9: there's something there. I mean, Laydon Robinson was a guy

894
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 9: last year that played a lot that had some positive

895
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 9: vibes at one time. And you know, he hasn't really

896
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 9: done anything to make any kind of move. He hasn't

897
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 9: really gotten any chance.

898
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 5: Even since the spring he was running with the threes

899
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 5: like all the way back in you know, May and

900
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 5: in June, like he hasn't made any push. I don't know,

901
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 5: it's it. I think there's an identity for the team

902
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 5: and for the line that I that I think is better.

903
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 5: Like they're going to be able to run the ball,

904
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 5: I think, and they're going to be able to play physically,

905
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 5: and they're going to have that Vabel thing where they're

906
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 5: going to be able to, you know, impose their will

907
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 5: as they say, on certain teams, and be able to

908
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 5: run that football, especially like behind Campbell. But the pass

909
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 5: protection is the real question mark. Now if you play

910
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 5: action and do all that type of stuff off the

911
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 5: run game, like maybe you limit you take like instead

912
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 5: of twenty five drop backs, you limit that to like

913
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 5: fifteen a game, and that's a way to take the

914
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 5: exposure away from some of those players and pass protection.

915
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 5: But you know, at least there's that, Like I think

916
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 5: that in all these games and even in practice a

917
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 5: little bit, I've noticed a physicality and an ability to

918
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 5: run the football that's better than what we see.

919
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 8: Something else we saw today that the three of us

920
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 8: were talking about watching practice, it looked like they were

921
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 8: moving the pocket a lot, trying to anyway a lot

922
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 8: of the stuff that Evan's talking about with the play action,

923
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 8: you know, the little West Coast kind of you know,

924
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 8: half boot the other way, leaking Trevion Henderson out. A

925
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 8: couple of times they would drag like Kayshawn Boudinot's you know,

926
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 8: Kayshaan booty would come across the formation because they got

927
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 8: everything going this way and then you're going to throw

928
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 8: it back across the other way.

929
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 4: But let's use that as it.

930
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 8: But moving pockets are going to help the past protet.

931
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 5: If you can sell it, then he gets out in

932
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 5: space and he should be by himself.

933
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 8: Now, last year when they tried those things, they could

934
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 8: like on the first play of the game on a

935
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,399
Speaker 8: Thursday night game against the Jets and Jacoby Brissett got killed.

936
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, uh, but using that as a transition into

937
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 9: the other side of the ball. So that was something

938
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 9: we talked about in the joint practices, which you know, Paul,

939
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 9: you were member with the commanders.

940
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 4: Here we saw zach Ertz.

941
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:03,919
Speaker 9: I know you were watching the d but zach Ertz

942
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 9: had pretty nice day, especially right out of the gate,

943
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 9: and then in day two all to talk about how

944
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 9: much the Vikings really bounced back and had a good

945
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 9: defensive plan. Somebody, thank you, I forget who was sent

946
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 9: us a tweet saying that Kevin O'Connell was micd up

947
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 9: on their preseason broadcast and they said, he said, and

948
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 9: the second day of the joint practices, they've kind of

949
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 9: schemed it up a little bit.

950
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 10: Now.

951
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 9: I asked that Core about that, and he's like, I

952
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 9: don't know about schemed it up, but we talked a

953
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 9: lot on the postgame show about something that this is

954
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 9: the kind of defense where teams are going to try

955
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 9: to use that aggressiveness against them with screen passes and

956
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 9: little dump offs to the tight ends. And you look

957
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 9: at who's coming in here week one with Ashton genty

958
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 9: and as a screen threat or Brock Bauers as you know,

959
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 9: a threat for the tight end position, and you know,

960
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 9: my mind schematically starts to add up, like, Okay, this

961
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 9: is gonna be a tough little matchup. And if the

962
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 9: Raiders have been kind of paying attention to what these

963
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 9: guys have been doing, there's probably gonna be a lot

964
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 9: of that stuff. There's gonna be a lot of screens

965
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 9: that they're gonna have to deal with. So I'm interested

966
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 9: to see if the.

967
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 4: Patriots are aware of that.

968
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 9: And what I asked that Core was like, is that

969
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 9: helpful to you guys if you felt like you're getting

970
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 9: game planned a tiny bit. Just I mean, I think

971
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 9: that'd be really helpful to go into a practice where

972
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 9: it's like, hey, we're going to attack your weaknesses today

973
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 9: and show you what they are. And so now the

974
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 9: defensive players have a sense of once teams get a

975
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 9: sense of what our defensive scheme is, which again they're

976
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 9: keeping very closely wrapped up right now, we might see

977
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 9: a lot of this stuff. So it's just something to

978
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 9: watch as we get into that season, the ability to

979
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 9: use the aggressiveness against them with the way they want

980
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 9: to go get the ball.

981
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk wide receivers a little bit. Have

982
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 2: we learned anything since our last show on Thursday about

983
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 2: what this group is going to look like.

984
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 4: There's a lot of guys hurt that right now.

985
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 9: I'd say that's my headline right now because Kyle Williams, Chisholm,

986
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 9: Javon Baker.

987
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 4: We're all out today.

988
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 9: Jalen Polk, Jalen Polk and Kendrick Bourn haven't been seen

989
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 9: and we're going on weeks now.

990
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 8: I think they added another one who I don't know

991
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 8: if you guys have seen on Twitter if anybody is

992
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 8: reported the number twenty.

993
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 5: Two was they have Phil Let's yesterday yesterday tough.

994
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 8: And another another small, smallish guy number twenty two in white.

995
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 8: You know, they don't have a lot of bodies. Yeah,

996
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 8: this crowded room is not as crowded right now because

997
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,919
Speaker 8: five receivers didn't practice today.

998
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 5: I just I'm just I don't know what's going on

999
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 5: with Baker, but it sounds like Chisholm is going to

1000
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 5: be fine. Then obviously we assume that don't be We assume,

1001
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 5: you know, Kyle Williams maybe concussion protocol. That's just a guess,

1002
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 5: like based off of what happened in the game. So

1003
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 5: I don't think it changes though much about like the roster,

1004
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 5: because like you know, Kyle Williams is going to be here.

1005
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 5: I think Chisham made the team. Sorry Paul so to

1006
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 5: apologize to me. That's six guys, like I'm not one of.

1007
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 5: I don't know everybody wants to keep seven to keep

1008
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 5: Javon Baker around. I'm just not as as obsessed with that.

1009
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 8: I wouldn't keep six, So I'm not obsessed with Javon

1010
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 8: Baker by any means.

1011
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: I think he got kind of unfairly criticized in that

1012
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 2: last game, Baker. I mean, I think he was one

1013
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: seven targets, one catch, but a lot of those throws

1014
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 2: were way off, don't you think I do?

1015
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 9: But I'm just I think generally this is more of

1016
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 9: the same, which is just riding the roller coaster, and

1017
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 9: at a certain point you have to ask yourself, are

1018
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 9: we ever going to be able to trust on this

1019
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 9: guy one hundred percent of the snaps that we play

1020
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 9: him to always do the right thing. Penalty and the

1021
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 9: false start inside the red zone is you know, and

1022
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 9: you could see his reaction.

1023
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 8: I don't know.

1024
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 9: I'm kind of over the roller coaster with him, and

1025
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 9: there's still a lot of people that really believe in him.

1026
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 9: But now you come out here and tomorrow or Thursday

1027
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 9: nights his time to shine and he I don't know

1028
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 9: why he missed practice today.

1029
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 4: I mean, maybe him and Anthony Jennings are getting.

1030
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 8: Their packing their backs.

1031
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 4: And go to Washington for a trade.

1032
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 9: I don't know, but you know, he he's gotta, he's gotta.

1033
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 9: I'm just sick of trying to be like, well, he's

1034
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 9: got to get on the dad. It's like we keep

1035
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 9: just saying the same stuff over and over again. For

1036
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 9: a little while this summer, it felt like he was

1037
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 9: starting to string together some practices. But then you look,

1038
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 9: it's just the stat it's like, well, seven targets, one catch,

1039
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 9: you know, it's yes, you're right, some throws were bad.

1040
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 9: And but at the same time, you want a guy

1041
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 9: that you think you can trust, and I have a

1042
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 9: hard time developing trust with him right now.

1043
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's just got this weird He just doesn't finish

1044
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 5: plays like you know, all the time, like the one

1045
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 5: in the back of the end zone, like he just

1046
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 5: stops running his route. Yeah, yeah, I think it wasn't

1047
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 5: a great throw, but Dobbs thought he was going to

1048
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 5: keep running the back of the end zone and when

1049
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 5: he came out of the break, he just stopped.

1050
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 4: I thought the same thing.

1051
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 9: I was like, why did he Like he just thought

1052
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 9: the ball was going to be on him, right, And

1053
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 9: then you could just like I watched that like three

1054
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 9: or four times.

1055
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 8: I'm like, hey, just I can.

1056
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 5: See it both ways, like if you want to, you know,

1057
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 5: wherever you want to place thata blame or whatever. But

1058
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 5: there's that and then like the speed out, Yeah he

1059
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 5: ran like earlier in the game, wasn't a great route,

1060
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 5: and it's just like these like these finishing elements, Like

1061
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 5: even the ball that he caught, I thought was like

1062
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 5: kind of lucky that the ball even got to him,

1063
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 5: Like the defender was all over him and will Ridge

1064
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 5: somehow kind of snuck it in. So I just I'm

1065
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 5: with Duce, like I feel like we just got to

1066
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 5: quit it, like you just keep on ride in this

1067
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 5: roller coaster with him.

1068
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 2: And yeah, all right, And I know it's against Scrubs,

1069
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 2: and I know it's not with the first team offense,

1070
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: but Chisholm is taking advantage of every opportunity he's being given.

1071
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 9: He really is well, I mean, what else can you

1072
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 9: say He's Yeah.

1073
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 4: I mean I was talking to Paul about him yesterday

1074
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:26,919
Speaker 4: and you know, to me, it was.

1075
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 9: Just the the football player aspect of it. And you know,

1076
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 9: you can tell me you've seen these guys do it before,

1077
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 9: but to me, he looked really good out there.

1078
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 4: He looked like a guy.

1079
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 9: That I would want on my team, that I would want,

1080
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 9: you know, to continue to develop.

1081
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 4: He's got decent size.

1082
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 2: It's not all life scataboo.

1083
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 9: I want well, you know, it's not like it's a

1084
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 9: guy who's he's heard too, who's five ft seven, you know,

1085
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 9: five foot seven, one hundred and eighty pounds that you're

1086
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 9: thinking you're going to take a chance on. Like, I mean,

1087
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 9: he's a well built athlete. And anytime you have a

1088
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 9: player to me that makes a catch two yards short

1089
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 9: of the line to gain and can break multiple tackles

1090
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 9: to get through, it's a really good sign. I don't

1091
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 9: know if he has a role right now on the offense,

1092
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 9: but you know, between Kayshawn Boody and Pop Douglas and

1093
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 9: Stefan Diggs, like there might be some snaps eventually there

1094
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 9: for him this year if injuries come into play. So

1095
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 9: I was impressed with I don't know how you couldn't

1096
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 9: watch what he did and not say that guy's doing

1097
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 9: everything he can to try to make this team right now.

1098
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he made the team in Minnesota. I

1099
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 5: just he didn't in practice too, Like it wasn't just

1100
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 5: the game, like he was dominating Minnesota's two's in practice also,

1101
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 5: and you just look at I think the two biggest

1102
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 5: things are the play strength is obvious, Like he's got

1103
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 5: some play strength to him that maybe that archetype doesn't

1104
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 5: typically lend itself to. He's got a great feel for

1105
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 5: space and like uncovering and just sort of understanding like

1106
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 5: how to literally like how to play football, like not

1107
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 5: just how to run routes, but like how to find

1108
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 5: space and get himself open and be quarterback friendly. And

1109
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 5: this is a guy that you know, at of Eastern

1110
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 5: Washington had huge production and he just ran a four

1111
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 5: to seven forty like that that's really all it was. Like,

1112
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 5: he just ran a really bad forty and it made

1113
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 5: him go undrafted. But he was a Day three talent

1114
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 5: that just happened to fall out of getting drafted because

1115
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 5: he ran a bad forty. Time killed the East West

1116
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 5: Shrine game. Ripped it up there, has ripped it up,

1117
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,879
Speaker 5: you know, in the training camp with the Patriots. So sometimes,

1118
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 5: like you this is there's a long history of receivers

1119
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 5: that haven't ran a great forty that have gone on

1120
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 5: to be really good NFL players. Like it's not the

1121
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 5: end all be all, but unfortunately for a lot of teams,

1122
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 5: there's thresholds and when you run a four to seven

1123
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 5: at a skill position, you're just not you're not draftball.

1124
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 4: What did Bucky Irving run? I still always look at

1125
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 4: him him.

1126
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 5: Like like KI four six as I want to say, right, So,

1127
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 5: like there's a lot of guys like that. And you know,

1128
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 5: I remember talking to Eric Galco at the at the

1129
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 5: Shrine Bowl saying that out of anybody that was at

1130
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 5: the Shrine Game, he was most disappointed that Chisholm didn't

1131
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 5: get drafted because he was the guy that he felt

1132
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 5: like was draftable by every measure except the forty yard dash.

1133
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 5: And so that was, you know, one of those guys

1134
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 5: for him. So I don't think that it's totally a

1135
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 5: fluke what he's doing, because he did this in college.

1136
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 8: I don't think it's a fluke. So everybody records, right,

1137
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 8: everybody said this was going to happen. He's going to

1138
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 8: have a huge preseason. I read that nine thousand times.

1139
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 8: I don't think it's a fluke at all.

1140
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it.

1141
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 8: I expected him to be the Patriots leading receiver in

1142
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 8: the preseason because of the style.

1143
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 2: Of play, not because he's a good wide receiver.

1144
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 8: No. I didn't say that, Oh, I said because of

1145
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 8: the routes that he runs are going to lend you

1146
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 8: to quick completions that are going to be you know,

1147
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,720
Speaker 8: when you have those guys out there like Josh Dobbs

1148
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 8: and Wooldridge. They're going to be looking for a safety

1149
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 8: blanket that uncovers quickly. His style is uncovering quickly. That's

1150
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 8: what he does, all right.

1151
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 2: But if you can uncover quickly and catch the ball

1152
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 2: when it's thrown to you in this league, you might

1153
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 2: have a job.

1154
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 8: We'll see, Yeah, we'll see. What do you think I

1155
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 8: think he's going to make the team. I don't think

1156
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 8: they have any options. I mean, Mike just rattled off

1157
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 8: five different guys that are not out there. So if

1158
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 8: Evans well, I think he's going to make it by default. Yes,

1159
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 8: if Evan's right, If Evan's right and his injury is

1160
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 8: not serious, then I think he's going to make the team.

1161
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 8: I think they're going to keep probably born in polk

1162
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 8: on ir to start the year, and that's how they're

1163
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 8: going to layer in their depth at receiver. But I mean,

1164
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 8: someone's got to make the team.

1165
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 2: I know that people are hurting right now.

1166
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 8: I would only keep five receivers, but I don't know

1167
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 8: about the health status of all these guys.

1168
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 4: Williams Chisholm might be the fifth receiver right now.

1169
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 8: Exactly if Kyle Williams is not ready to go. I mean,

1170
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 8: concussions can be a week, it can be two months.

1171
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 8: Who knows if he if he has a concussion, we

1172
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 8: should probably say that.

1173
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 2: We don't. We don't know that.

1174
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 8: But you guys told me that looked like he dealing

1175
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 8: with something with his head. Again, I know that you

1176
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 8: think I'm exaggerating Fred just because I did not see

1177
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 8: any of the game. I understand, so I don't know

1178
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 8: what happened to Kyle Williams, but you guys are telling

1179
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 8: me it might be head related.

1180
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 2: At the I thought it was a clean hit.

1181
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it wasn't a hit bang bang. Was it

1182
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 5: a penalty?

1183
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 6: No?

1184
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 4: No, I think one though the throat just the pastor.

1185
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 2: You want to talk hospital ball.

1186
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 8: That's what everybody wrote.

1187
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that was accurate.

1188
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, but yeah, I'm not I'm not going to argue

1189
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 8: with something I didn't I can't argue with things that

1190
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 8: I don't have the information.

1191
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 5: I'm gonna make it even me Chisholm's targets from from

1192
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 5: Saturday for Paul, and I'm just going to text it

1193
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 5: to him after the year, just so you know.

1194
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 2: I'm still I told you I don't know if people

1195
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 2: are familiar with the movie Clockwork Orange, but it's this

1196
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 2: guy that's really bad, and they try to rehabilitate him

1197
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:13,240
Speaker 2: by making him watch these horrible videos and they literally

1198
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 2: they pin his eyes open. That's what we're gonna do, Paul.

1199
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 2: We're gonna make him watch all of Chisholm's highlight reels.

1200
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 8: I just like, the only thing that I would say

1201
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 8: that I that I just everything you guys said, I would,

1202
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 8: I would agree with you know, I think he's done

1203
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 8: everything he could possibly do. The only thing I would

1204
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 8: say is I've seen this story countless. Yeah, though maybe

1205
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,720
Speaker 8: this one's different, Maybe this one will be Edelman.

1206
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, like this is better than Gunner Oshefski.

1207
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 2: But Chefsky didn't do this.

1208
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 4: That's what I do this.

1209
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, chism is better.

1210
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but I'm just saying, like, if if

1211
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 2: Ohevsky had a good he didn't have the preseason that

1212
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:53,439
Speaker 2: Chishom's having.

1213
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 5: No, I agree, all right, That's what I'm saying. Like

1214
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 5: I think that the ones that I've seen, I don't

1215
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 5: go all the way back to Austin Carr and Riley

1216
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 5: Karen and like, but like you know, jem.

1217
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 15: Uh, you know, is the future of the New England Patriots.

1218
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 5: I don't go back that far, but I do you know,

1219
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 5: Barrios Gunner like Chisholm has been better. I agree, but

1220
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 5: I I admit to like kind of to Paul's point,

1221
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,760
Speaker 5: if if Josh McDaniels wasn't the offensive coordinator, we wouldn't

1222
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 5: be talking about this like this is because there's a

1223
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 5: specific role in this specific offense that he just fits

1224
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 5: like a glove like that. That's why he's a you know,

1225
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 5: a legitimate candidate to make the roster on like thirty

1226
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 5: one other teams he might not be, but because they

1227
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 5: have the thought receiver role here that Josh knows how

1228
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 5: to use better than probably anybody else. We're doing it.

1229
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:51,240
Speaker 5: We're doing Chisholm.

1230
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 9: I mean, this is to me, it feels like if

1231
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 9: there was ever a Pop Douglas injury, it's Chisholm go time,

1232
00:54:58,360 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 9: Like who else can.

1233
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 4: Ye do that?

1234
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 5: And he's bigger than Pop, which I think is kind

1235
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 5: of a factor, Like he's a bigger target. He's you know,

1236
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 5: got a little bit more play strength to him. Pop's

1237
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 5: definitely more dynamic, but Chishm's a little bit easier to

1238
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 5: throw the ball to.

1239
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,760
Speaker 2: I would say, yeah, all right, eight five five Pats

1240
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 2: five hundred is the hotline podcast at Patriots dot com.

1241
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,399
Speaker 2: Is the email that's how you get in touch with us,

1242
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 2: and uh so, let's open it up. We've talked a lot.

1243
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 2: Let's see what you have to say. Sam is in

1244
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 2: North Carolina. He starts it off. Yeah, sorry, Paul, What

1245
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 2: are you sorry about?

1246
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 16: Sam?

1247
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 8: What did I do? What did I do?

1248
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 2: Now?

1249
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 17: Sorry, Paul, I.

1250
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 8: Can't state this anymore emphatically. I'm not arguing with anybody

1251
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 8: about Chishom. I didn't see it. So you guys can

1252
00:55:59,200 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 8: tell you all.

1253
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 13: You did see it.

1254
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 5: You could argue, well, no, that.

1255
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 8: I would have some knowledge to talk about. I would say, wow,

1256
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 8: you guys are right, this was an incredible performance. His

1257
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 8: toughness is hard. All this great. I saw it. I

1258
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 8: didn't see it, so I can't tell you you're wrong.

1259
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,879
Speaker 8: I'm not arguing with anybody. You guys tell me he's

1260
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 8: on the roster. He's on the roster.

1261
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 2: Okay, But.

1262
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 10: Dreck Laye's ability to bounce back. I don't know if

1263
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 10: you guys see that every day, but like if he

1264
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 10: does the wrong, it always thinks like do go back

1265
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 10: and you know, correct his mistates go does you have

1266
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 10: to get up at the school both times the same

1267
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 10: time he was on the stude. But pre season, I

1268
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 10: don't know that I like that astivity about it.

1269
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 14: What do you guess?

1270
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 17: See?

1271
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 7: All right?

1272
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 4: Thanks, It's hard to say.

1273
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 9: I think Drake's been pretty steady emotionally. It doesn't really

1274
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 9: feel like you're on a roller coaster. And despite some

1275
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 9: of the clunkiness and recent practices, I will say I

1276
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 9: think I think he's been better in these last week

1277
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 9: or so in the end of practice situational stuff where

1278
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 9: first few games or practices excuse me, even the end

1279
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 9: stadium practice. You saw some turnovers. You just saw some clunkiness,

1280
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 9: those drives dying out middle of the field where they

1281
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 9: just get off the field. It hasn't been perfect, but

1282
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 9: there's been better performances, especially like today, and again.

1283
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 4: Take it for what it is, how competitive it was,

1284
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 4: but you know, I.

1285
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 9: Think those things have been have been positive. Just needs

1286
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 9: to put it all together. I've seen elements of everything,

1287
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 9: but he needs to start hitting the big plays when

1288
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 9: they're there.

1289
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 4: And you know, but again I think that there's some

1290
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 4: time to this, like.

1291
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 9: Understanding how the Josh offense is gonna mesh with the rotations,

1292
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 9: And certainly got great experience this week in Minnesota with

1293
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 9: all the different fronts that Brian Flores was throwing at them,

1294
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 9: the different pressures from different areas. So hopefully all this

1295
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 9: experience starts to translate. But I still remain a little

1296
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 9: cautious because I think it might be a little up

1297
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 9: and down early on, and he's gonna need some time.

1298
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 4: To really get a feel. But I expect that Josh

1299
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 4: will do a lot to protect.

1300
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 9: Him and protect what they know their weaknesses are coming

1301
00:57:58,640 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 9: out of camp.

1302
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, you'd like to see him more of what Paul

1303
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 5: is the more Patriot plays, where like it's just in

1304
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 5: rhythm and they're in a rhythm and they're moving the

1305
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 5: ball because like even the third down conversion he had

1306
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 5: in the game is happens out of structure. It happens

1307
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 5: when he breaks the pocket and runs around and makes

1308
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 5: a play, which is great. Like I'm not you know me,

1309
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 5: I'm for all that, like as Josh Allen right, like

1310
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 5: let's we can do all that type of stuff, but

1311
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 5: there was a play to be made in the pocket,

1312
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 5: So like can we make the play in the pocket

1313
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,439
Speaker 5: ninety percent of the time and only save the out

1314
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 5: of structure stuff when you got to put the Superman

1315
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 5: type on.

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00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 2: Rye DC's in Virginia.

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00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 18: Hey DC, Okay, Yes, basically I wanted to say it,

1318
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 18: like what I have to say this, how much better

1319
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 18: are the other teams across the league when it comes

1320
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 18: to like they personnel well, because we understand that these

1321
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 18: other things, they.

1322
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 17: Don't have a lot of workbies on one, they don't

1323
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 17: have a lot of worbis at all receiver teams, but

1324
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 17: at least the TV's are able to see if you

1325
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 17: move around, went in the pocket and uh send it

1326
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 17: to and found the receiver and throwing with the acricy

1327
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 17: a Tom that's not really jack Man at this point

1328
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 17: or whatever, because I feel like this Sea has enough

1329
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 17: far components wise far on defense team and then you

1330
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 17: know to be track talk but at least get by

1331
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 17: someone on the offense. But you has to be better

1332
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 17: to deliver the ball because right like a guy like

1333
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 17: Tom Walliams, he fights like fox.

1334
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 6: Put in the street.

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00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 17: If you had to comp the ball, you know and

1336
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 17: sing the pure from That's all I wanted to say.

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00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 2: All right, thank you, I straight got that, what do

1338
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 2: you think.

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00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 8: I don't know.

1340
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 4: I don't I don't really think I got what he

1341
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 4: was saying there.

1342
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, a little hard to kind of in and out, Matt.

1343
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 2: All right, I don't think this speaker over here is working.

1344
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 2: Just just so you know, I.

1345
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 5: Am more optimistic about their ability to get guys open.

1346
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1347
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 5: I don't know if that's the combination of the receiver

1348
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 5: room is better McDaniels mostly, McDaniels mostly the other thing.

1349
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 5: I don't know, but I the joint practice in Minnesota

1350
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 5: and even the game, like there are open guys whereas.

1351
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 4: Before, right there's just nobody else the.

1352
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,439
Speaker 5: Protection breaks down in half a second or there's nobody open.

1353
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 5: And I do think that there's been open guys in

1354
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 5: both instances. So do that with what you will. I

1355
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 5: guess that's a positive.

1356
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 10: Now.

1357
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 4: That was the same thing I thought when I flipped

1358
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 4: it on. I was like, Holy cred the guys are it's.

1359
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 5: Against Minnesota and signs, but guys that are going to

1360
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 5: make Minnesota's roster, Like we're not talking about you know,

1361
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 5: fourth and fifth string guys that are gonna be on

1362
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 5: waivers in a week like.

1363
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 4: Coming off four win seasons, I'll take it.

1364
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, Emery is in Virginia. What's up, Emory? To gentlemen,

1365
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 2: what's happening?

1366
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 14: All right, I'm going to express some things too, and

1367
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 14: if if you don't matter, I would like for Paul

1368
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 14: Paul to respawn first. But I had a question. First,

1369
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 14: do you do the kid? Do you think the kid

1370
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 14: has that that clutch gene? Because I'm a little concerned.

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01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:09,439
Speaker 2: We don't know yet.

1372
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 8: We're talking about I'm talking about.

1373
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 14: Right, Yeah, I want to I want to throw. I

1374
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 14: want to throw a little bit more than our turn

1375
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 14: it loose because his first three to his first three

1376
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 14: throws in that game against the Vikings, we're not NFL

1377
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 14: level starting quarterback. And and I know the kid has

1378
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 14: the talent, and there's no question the talent is there,

1379
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 14: but I do have some concerns about his his mental

1380
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 14: his mental makeup, because we can't blame it on the line.

1381
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 14: On those three throws, the line held up and the

1382
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 14: receivers were open. He overthrew pop by pop was opened

1383
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 14: by at least ten yards.

1384
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, but ten years. But he was wide open. You're right, yep.

1385
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 16: Yeah.

1386
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 14: And my last thing here, my last thing, my last

1387
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 14: thing and Josh connew Josh May made Mac Jones like

1388
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 14: an NFL starting level quarterback. So again, please break it

1389
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 14: down for me and explain to me. Paul, would you

1390
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 14: mind going first on that. Please don't serve.

1391
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 8: I don't know what I'm trying to break down.

1392
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 2: I'm sorry you think that. Well. The first question was

1393
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 2: he's worried that Drake doesn't have the clutch team.

1394
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 8: So I would just say that that is a big

1395
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,439
Speaker 8: question mark. I don't think that he showed a lot

1396
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 8: of I don't think he showed a lot of clutch

1397
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 8: clutchness in college at North Carolina. I think in some

1398
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 8: of the bigger games that they had, they had a

1399
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 8: good team. His first year as the full time starter,

1400
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 8: they had at a pretty good roster. I thought they

1401
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 8: had some games that they had a chance to win

1402
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 8: that they didn't, And certainly it was very few and

1403
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 8: far between last year, but there were a handful of

1404
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 8: times with it. The game that really sticks out to

1405
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:12,479
Speaker 8: me is Tennessee. You know, you have this desperation drive

1406
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 8: at the end of the game where you're not really

1407
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 8: expected to do anything, and they got out him miraculously

1408
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 8: based on his unbelievable individual play. Tie the game well,

1409
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 8: now you have a chance to win it and you

1410
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 8: throw a pick like that's way unfair to say he

1411
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 8: doesn't have it because of that one play. But maybe

1412
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 8: if you picked. The jury's the jury's out. The jury's

1413
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 8: out on whether or not he has what it takes,

1414
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 8: because I think that's what separates a lot of these guys.

1415
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 8: I don't think mac Jones had what it took. You know,

1416
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 8: he said that Josh McDaniels mate Mac Jones looking an

1417
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 8: NFL Cariber player. I never saw that. I was adamant

1418
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 8: at the time. He never had the clutch gene. They

1419
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 8: only won one way, and that's if they scored like

1420
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 8: fourteen points in the first quarter. Usually ten of those

1421
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 8: were on defense, and they play by the door and

1422
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 8: they held on. If he was asked to come from behind,

1423
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 8: mac Jones couldn't do it. So did he have the

1424
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 8: clutch gene? I would say, no, I don't know.

1425
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 2: If Mac we don't know.

1426
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 9: May to me it's the number one question. I've been

1427
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 9: saying it since the spring of Is Drake a killer?

1428
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 9: That is, there's plenty of talented quarterbacks in the NFL,

1429
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 9: guys that have its size and the arm strength and

1430
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 9: all that, but when it gets down to brass tacks

1431
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 9: at the end of the game, who's the guy that

1432
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 9: can lead their team? And I just where I'm wondering,

1433
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 9: is is it a confidence thing? And maybe even if

1434
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 9: he doesn't have it right now and initially out of

1435
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 9: the gate, as he gets more comfortable in the offense

1436
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 9: and he really starts to grasp what they're.

1437
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 4: Trying to do.

1438
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 9: In his second year as an NFL quarterback, which knows

1439
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 9: everybody says is a year of huge growth, Ben, does

1440
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 9: he start to find it because he's just confident?

1441
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 8: I don't know.

1442
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 9: I don't know if those things exist independently of each other.

1443
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 9: Can't Can you be clutch without total confidence in what

1444
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 9: you're doing.

1445
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 8: When they start to increase the level of talent around him,

1446
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 8: does that allow him to settle into these know these

1447
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 8: situations a little bit better? Or do you know last year?

1448
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 8: It would be certainly understandable if he's looking at say

1449
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 8: like the Rams game here and Rams are a pretty

1450
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 8: good team. They come in here, they got red hot.

1451
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 8: In the middle of that game, Stafford and Nakua and

1452
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 8: Cup were killing them and I think they scored like

1453
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 8: four straight touchdowns. You could sort of get overwhelmed by that,

1454
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 8: and then all of a sudden, you get the ball

1455
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 8: at the end of the game and you're down six.

1456
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 8: You got a chance to win it. And I would

1457
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 8: be understandable if mac Jones looked at that and said,

1458
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 8: I got to put this all on my shoulders. I

1459
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 8: got to do it, and he made a bad play. Now,

1460
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,479
Speaker 8: there's certainly a lot of question about that play, whether

1461
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 8: or not Tomario Douglas should have sat down in that

1462
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 8: zone and whatnot. But I think there's a lot more

1463
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:43,439
Speaker 8: to it than just the flat out result. It's easy

1464
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 8: to sit there and say, well, they had a chance

1465
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 8: to win this game late, this game, late, this game, late,

1466
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 8: they didn't win any of them. Well, he's not clutch.

1467
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 8: There's probably some nuance involved in contextual situation.

1468
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 2: I think my answer is, we just haven't seen it yet.

1469
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 8: I haven't seen it.

1470
01:05:57,560 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 2: We haven't seen any we don't know.

1471
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 8: And fairness, Tom Brady's second h third career start, you

1472
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 8: saw it right, third career start, you know, and the

1473
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 8: team was not supposed to be any good. They were

1474
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 8: one and three at the time, and he brought the

1475
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 8: team back from ten down against the Chargers and one.

1476
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 5: I just think we're like the whole clutch thing to be.

1477
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,439
Speaker 5: I think we're like, there's like ten steps from now

1478
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 5: for Drake, like can they be in some more games first,

1479
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 5: and like can they be competitive? And can they have

1480
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 5: some success and get like they're not. I don't think

1481
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 5: that we're at the point where we're talking about is

1482
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 5: he a killer or clutch enough for them to like

1483
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 5: go on a playoff run? Like we gotta.

1484
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 8: Know, but you got to win games, and yeah, there's

1485
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 8: times in the games.

1486
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 5: That steps Like I just feel like the clutch thing

1487
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 5: is you know, we all want to win right away

1488
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 5: and it's it might be a little bit more of

1489
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 5: something that we determined down the line.

1490
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 2: Sure it could be. I just yeah, I in fairness,

1491
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 2: he hasn't been given enough opportunities to show us yet.

1492
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 2: So the jury's out though. And you know, to be clutch,

1493
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Speaker 2: you need to be tough as nails. And I would

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Speaker 7: How are you doing? I'm good?

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Speaker 11: Usually you have to stay for the game to be

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Speaker 11: able to ask the first question.

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Speaker 7: Go ahead, kid, since people want to see.

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Speaker 20: You before throughsday as our last opportunity chat with you

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01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 20: and I know you like to go day to day,

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01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 20: but we have a plan for who might play and

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01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 20: who might not play Thursday. I mean, will you have

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Speaker 20: regulars playing or try to hold them money?

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Speaker 11: I think with a quick turnaround, I think we'll have

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Speaker 11: to just manage some of those reps.

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Speaker 7: But yes, obviously try to have a plan.

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Speaker 11: Quick turnaround. These are gonna be two important days here.

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01:09:58,680 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 11: We're going to get back out here. We'll be in

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Speaker 11: a red zone today and then there'll be a group

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Speaker 11: of guys that get a lot of reps tomorrow.

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Speaker 7: That are going to be a good important reps.

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01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:12,760
Speaker 11: So based on how that goes, that'll that'll tell me

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Speaker 11: a lot for for Thursday night.

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Speaker 7: How much evaluation is that there is the most of

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01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 7: Hay in the barn?

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Speaker 8: You know?

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Speaker 7: No, I mean I don't think that that's ever.

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Speaker 11: I mean we're always trying to evaluate and improve. I

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01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 11: can't see a scenario where we never not want to

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Speaker 11: do that and continue to try to improve the roster,

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Speaker 11: or continue to evaluate who we think is going to

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Speaker 11: give us the best chance to win and and also

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Speaker 11: who has shown enough to want to work with on

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Speaker 11: the practice squad or who could have You know, again,

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Speaker 11: we've talked about the different types of players that maybe

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Speaker 11: you end up on the practice squad throughout the league,

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Speaker 11: whether that's a young developmental player or maybe somebody that

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Speaker 11: can be called uh called up for the game quickly

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Speaker 11: on short notice.

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Speaker 21: How did you being able to watch the film, how

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Speaker 21: do you feel like Will performed?

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Speaker 20: Uh?

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Speaker 8: Anxiety's game?

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Speaker 21: He did fine, like I practice performance versus preseason performance,

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01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 21: and speaking specifically to Baker and Jennies, seems like Baker

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Speaker 21: shows up quite a bit in the eleven on eleven's year.

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Speaker 7: But then the games we've had art time hitting and

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Speaker 7: you go.

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Speaker 22: On offsteak jenmis for was shands hedn't happen.

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Speaker 7: I'm gonna show that some of these as well.

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Speaker 11: We don't ever underestimate the performance in the game and

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Speaker 11: live action.

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Speaker 16: Uh.

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Speaker 7: And yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 11: Think Javon, you know, would have liked to have been

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01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:42,959
Speaker 11: able to connect on some of those passes and those targets.

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Speaker 7: He's stuck with it.

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Speaker 11: I liked where his attitude was and his ability to

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Speaker 11: play on special teams and then even late in the

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01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 11: game to try to block We threw a screen out

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01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 11: there to Giles and he's attached and he's trying to

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Speaker 11: finish and then found a found a reception there late,

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Speaker 11: so I think that has that shows some growth. I

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01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:07,720
Speaker 11: think that could be u for a young player when

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Speaker 11: it doesn't go your way early, I think maybe it

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Speaker 11: could have been an opportunity to kind of just pack

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Speaker 11: it up, and I didn't see that from him. And

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Speaker 11: again my indication to that is the fact that late

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01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:20,519
Speaker 11: in the game we threw screen to Giles, as I mentioned,

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01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 11: and he's he's blocking, he's finishing, he's trying to, you know,

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Speaker 11: make sure that he's protecting the guy with the ball.

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01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:29,599
Speaker 11: So you know, sometimes it doesn't always go the way

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01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 11: that you anticipate, or maybe the stats don't indicate that.

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01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 11: And then for anthroony just you know, taking advantage of

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Speaker 11: the opportunity that he got in.

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Speaker 7: And helped us win.

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Speaker 9: After the game, he said, you wanted to talk to

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Speaker 9: the medical staff on Kyle, Isaiah and maybe even Ft

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Speaker 9: and what what is their status the three of those.

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Speaker 11: Uh, I would not anticipate either any of those out

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01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:59,559
Speaker 11: here today and we'll see what their availability. I will

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01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:03,280
Speaker 11: not playing the game and so that that one I

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Speaker 11: know for sure, and then.

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Speaker 7: The other guys will continue to evaluate.

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Speaker 23: Like off insive linement, playing new positions like Darien then

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01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:13,120
Speaker 23: and Cole you know, how much stock do you put

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Speaker 23: into the limited sample you have at them at the

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Speaker 23: new positions? Is there any other part of that evaluation

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Speaker 23: besides them just being on the field.

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Speaker 7: There, man, I think if you're.

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Speaker 11: At some point in time, you're gonna have to play

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Speaker 11: more than one position, and you know, swing tackle or

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01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 11: you know tackles and aren't starting the game are probably

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Speaker 11: going to have to play left and right. So we're

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Speaker 11: going to continue to work with Baderian and get them

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Speaker 11: some more snaps over there at the right.

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Speaker 7: And I, you know, I.

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Speaker 11: Hope that that will be will be better, and I

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Speaker 11: understand that. And when you're on one side and you

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01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 11: hear calls in a play means something, and then you're

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Speaker 11: on the right, what your job is on the other

1635
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 11: side may sound simple, but when it's quick, I do

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Speaker 11: can at least appreciate were some of the you know,

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01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:10,559
Speaker 11: maybe miscommunication or you know, the assignment could get mixed

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01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 11: up from from play to play. So just getting them

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01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 11: comfortable over there to be able to evaluate him at

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Speaker 11: both sides.

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Speaker 23: Minnesota's late movement with their D line affects some of

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01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:18,639
Speaker 23: that too.

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01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 22: I mean it was pretty pretty quickly.

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Speaker 7: Well that's what movement's going to be.

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01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:24,919
Speaker 11: It's it's going to be on a snap and sometimes

1646
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 11: in a run game, you know we're going to have

1647
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 11: to be able to do that. They're not just going

1648
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 11: to stand still on us. You know, sometimes we caught

1649
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 11: him and sometimes we didn't. So there were examples where

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01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:40,200
Speaker 11: the movement we were able to block it and gain

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01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:42,759
Speaker 11: yards in a run game, and and other times where

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Speaker 11: you know, we weren't.

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Speaker 13: A lot about not.

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01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 24: Wanting to see guys were keep mistakes.

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01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 7: Of course, throughout their development.

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01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:53,639
Speaker 24: To feel like Drake in terms of his judgment and

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01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:56,400
Speaker 24: just ball security has shown a lot of that.

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01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:58,720
Speaker 7: And how far do you feel like his progress is

1659
01:14:58,800 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 7: at this point?

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01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 11: Well, I mean, I think that we we have to

1661
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 11: be able to connect on on on passes like the

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Speaker 11: one to to Pop, I was making sure that both

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01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 11: the receiver and the quarterback are on the same page

1664
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:14,720
Speaker 11: and that the ball placement is where it needs to be.

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01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 11: You know, I would say that tip balls, especially ones

1666
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 11: that are over the middle of the field or towards

1667
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 11: the middle of the field, are going to end up intercepted.

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01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 11: You know that he's continuing to improve and continue.

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01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:31,320
Speaker 7: To to uh.

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01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:33,200
Speaker 11: To help us, and and I and I like where

1671
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 11: he's at. It's just you know, we just got to

1672
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:39,560
Speaker 11: fix that. And you know, we talked to him about

1673
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 11: you know, not taking a you know, a senseless hit

1674
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 11: outside the pocket on second and ten and if there's

1675
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 11: nobody there throw it away. We'll you know, try to

1676
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,720
Speaker 11: convert on third down and and just being smart and

1677
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 11: understanding those little, you know details. And then you know,

1678
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:55,920
Speaker 11: we talked about late in the game there with Ben

1679
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 11: and being able to coach that you know, five minute

1680
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 11: situation where we would want him to take a sack,

1681
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 11: even though as a quarterback, you're like, why do I want.

1682
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 7: To take a sack?

1683
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 11: It's third down and seven and there's three minutes and

1684
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 11: twelve seconds left. You know, we force them to call

1685
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:12,639
Speaker 11: tom out or we take forty seconds off. So those

1686
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 11: are great opportunities to learn from. And again, the quarterbacks

1687
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 11: that aren't in the game, they have to put themselves

1688
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:19,920
Speaker 11: in that position. And that's what we were trying to

1689
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:21,680
Speaker 11: do there at the end of the game, is to

1690
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 11: make sure that everybody was watching the situation, whether that's

1691
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:28,680
Speaker 11: the last play situations on defense or the five minute offense.

1692
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:31,720
Speaker 7: With with with the guys that weren't in there.

1693
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 14: Don't worry about that.

1694
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 12: It's OK.

1695
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 7: I hear you too, Kyle Duggar. I was trying to

1696
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:40,160
Speaker 7: be Louderles, she told me.

1697
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 2: I'm trying to be louder.

1698
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 7: You weren't louder. I can just recognize your yeah.

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01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 24: More with Kyle Duggar, as I'm concerned that last play

1700
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 24: with the interception. What did you see on that and

1701
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 24: how did you maybe coaching to either go down after

1702
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:54,599
Speaker 24: or just kind of like immediately on that play?

1703
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 7: Just what did you see?

1704
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 11: Well, again, that's that's why we, you know, practice why

1705
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:03,600
Speaker 11: we are grateful that these games can create those situations

1706
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 11: of the last play.

1707
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 7: And again, you have two choices.

1708
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:08,880
Speaker 11: You you know, one bat it down when you know

1709
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:11,840
Speaker 11: it's the last play, which I'm not expecting him to,

1710
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 11: and then when you intercept the ball, you just you know,

1711
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:16,679
Speaker 11: we just have to go down. And then whenever we

1712
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 11: have the football in our hands, defensively, you know, we

1713
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:23,400
Speaker 11: have to be able to secure it and we have to

1714
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:24,720
Speaker 11: be able to block, and we have to be able

1715
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:27,360
Speaker 11: to get the intended receiver and do all the things

1716
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:30,840
Speaker 11: now that an offensive player would do. So to just

1717
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 11: simply go down there and and not have to take

1718
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 11: the few extra steps to make it close.

1719
01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 7: What did you think about what a game?

1720
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 8: You talked about how he was maybe a little.

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01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 25: Too vampt up for the first part of the game,

1722
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:44,120
Speaker 25: but he says he doesn't really want to change that.

1723
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 25: He likes playing with energy. Do you appreciate a quarterback

1724
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 25: who approaches his job that way? Do you want to

1725
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 25: try to calm him down as a head coach?

1726
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 7: So how do you view that?

1727
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:58,400
Speaker 11: Again, the personality or they're whatever they're feeling, that's that's

1728
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:01,519
Speaker 11: that's up to them. I think that the performance and

1729
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 11: the mentality and how we want to play the.

1730
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 7: Game has to be the same.

1731
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 11: So, you know, whatever they want to feel, they're they're

1732
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:09,920
Speaker 11: They're more than.

1733
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:10,639
Speaker 7: Welcome to feel.

1734
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:12,640
Speaker 11: We just need to make sure that we, you know,

1735
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 11: execute and that we're taking command of the huddle and

1736
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 11: that we're we're operating at a high level.

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Speaker 7: And some guys are.

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Speaker 11: Going to be more more amped than others as their

1739
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:27,240
Speaker 11: own personal approach to.

1740
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 7: The game competition.

1741
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 17: After getting a chance to watch the film and were

1742
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 17: there any guys specifically that you thought need the most

1743
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:34,439
Speaker 17: of their opportunities.

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01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 7: Well, we'll continue to evaluate that.

1745
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:40,040
Speaker 11: You know that spot and that rotation, and you know

1746
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 11: where we're at, competing and trying to make sure that

1747
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 11: we're giving everybody the opportunity, and they're from from the

1748
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 11: center and the left guard and just trying to figure

1749
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:51,400
Speaker 11: out what the best combination is.

1750
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 8: What do you see from and now? Great moments in.

1751
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:00,879
Speaker 2: History.

1752
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 8: I'd rather be Damien Harris than Jake Bailey.

1753
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:06,240
Speaker 2: Damien Harrison barely dressed for games.

1754
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:09,600
Speaker 8: I'd rather be hating. He's a player, he's a football.

1755
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 2: Player, but he doesn't play.

1756
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 7: I don't care.

1757
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:17,800
Speaker 8: I'm not a punter. I'm not the you know, everybody's ring.

1758
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 8: But he asked me which one i'd rather be. I

1759
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 8: would take you one. If I had, you know, to

1760
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 8: choose between what I'm doing now with you morons, I'd

1761
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 8: be the punter to choose between being a real player

1762
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:33,479
Speaker 8: and in a specialist.

1763
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 2: Plus being the running back for even just ten plays

1764
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 2: hurts a lot more.

1765
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:40,760
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, what do you what do you want? What

1766
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 8: do you everything? No sacrifice, no pain? Oh yeah, you're

1767
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:49,080
Speaker 8: just playing.

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01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:50,560
Speaker 2: Paul's Rockney over here with the sacrifice.

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Speaker 1: That's another great moment from five That's five hundred is

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Speaker 1: the Hotline podcast at Patriots dot Com.

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01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 2: Is the email address rabel today anything yesterday, Yes, yesterday.

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Speaker 4: Now we got we have to hear from Terrell Williamstoll

1773
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:13,800
Speaker 4: for the first time today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Defense was today.

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01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 9: I think that's the first time we've heard from him

1776
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 9: since he you know, announced that he had been sick

1777
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:20,240
Speaker 9: and why he was away from.

1778
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 4: The from the facility. So that was good to hear

1779
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:22,720
Speaker 4: from him.

1780
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:25,240
Speaker 9: Finally, it's been kind of a man of mystery around here,

1781
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:27,760
Speaker 9: so good to see him out there healthy. Said that

1782
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:30,040
Speaker 9: he got dehydrated a couple of weeks ago. That was

1783
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:32,800
Speaker 9: a little bit of an issue, but scare but yeah.

1784
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:34,679
Speaker 9: And then the defensive coaches as well, like I said,

1785
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:36,720
Speaker 9: not not giving me much, not giving me much.

1786
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 5: They're very tight lift.

1787
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 2: Tight was Deuce was really disappointed Evan that they wouldn't

1788
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:42,679
Speaker 2: unveil the whole scheme.

1789
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:46,800
Speaker 8: Well, I said, to defend you, Evan would have gotten

1790
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Speaker 8: it out of them.

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01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:51,120
Speaker 5: I tried, and I asked them. I even said, like

1792
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:54,719
Speaker 5: just in general, like you don't know specific to you,

1793
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 5: but just you know, they were They were tight lipped.

1794
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 5: And I We've talked about this before, but like I,

1795
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:04,760
Speaker 5: most defenses are schemes where their offense are like fit

1796
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:08,000
Speaker 5: into a tree of like, Okay, this is like the

1797
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 5: McDaniels offense is part of you know, the Ernhard Perkins

1798
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 5: or this defense is birth from you know, the Seattle Three.

1799
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:16,839
Speaker 5: Like I did. They kind of run their own defense,

1800
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:19,439
Speaker 5: and I think they kind of know it, so they

1801
01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:21,280
Speaker 5: don't really want to like go out and.

1802
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 2: Think they might have some things up their sleeves.

1803
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 5: It just is a scheme that doesn't belong. And you know,

1804
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:29,759
Speaker 5: it's not a Fangio defense, it's not a Belichick defense.

1805
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:32,360
Speaker 5: It's kind of its own. Yeah, its own thing, and

1806
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 5: I think they they pretty tight lipped about it.

1807
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 9: I was saying before you got in, like I just

1808
01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 9: looked at the coaching history of all this defensive coaching staff,

1809
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 9: especially Terrell Williams and obviously Vaybel But there's just so

1810
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:45,439
Speaker 9: many different threats from so many different defenses that it is.

1811
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:47,320
Speaker 9: It's I mean, I love that stuff where it's all right,

1812
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:49,599
Speaker 9: they're gonna run this version of it, but they got

1813
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 9: their own thing going on. Be interesting, Like once we

1814
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:54,519
Speaker 9: get into the season and the real film heads on

1815
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:56,400
Speaker 9: Twitter and stuff get into it, and then you know,

1816
01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 9: I'm hopeful somebody one of those guys that go way

1817
01:21:58,479 --> 01:21:59,640
Speaker 9: back and will be like, all right, well it's a

1818
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 9: little bit this concept.

1819
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:03,760
Speaker 8: Up front, and was like, take that disrespectful that. Well,

1820
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 8: I know, I thought he's looking for someone to uncover it.

1821
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:09,280
Speaker 8: I thought that was sitting next to the guy who's

1822
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 8: going to.

1823
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 9: Well, I keep asking them to do it, and here

1824
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 9: we are, we're both just standing here not knowing what's

1825
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 9: going on.

1826
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:15,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, you know, I just want to know

1827
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 8: if they stop them or not. Right right, you know,

1828
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:20,720
Speaker 8: we better on third down defense than we have been

1829
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 8: the last few.

1830
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:23,040
Speaker 2: Years in the game.

1831
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:25,880
Speaker 9: The word elite out elite, we might throw it out

1832
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:27,639
Speaker 9: of the conversation, or we're throwing it out there.

1833
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:29,120
Speaker 8: I think you could throw that out.

1834
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:32,760
Speaker 5: They are, you know, it's preseason, but they've played a

1835
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 5: lot more quarters coverage, you know, four deep players across

1836
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:38,639
Speaker 5: the deep part of the field, and what we've seen

1837
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:41,320
Speaker 5: in the past, they actually they've played quarters twenty eight

1838
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:44,639
Speaker 5: percent of the time in the preseason. Over the last

1839
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 5: five years, the Patriots have only played quarters seven percent

1840
01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:50,760
Speaker 5: of the time. So it's a pretty significant increase. And

1841
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 5: this is the time of year where you play your

1842
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:55,720
Speaker 5: base defense like you play vanilla coverage and sort of

1843
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:58,080
Speaker 5: what your base concepts are that you put in the

1844
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 5: spring and things like that. So I think that's definitely

1845
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 5: going to be a little bit more of it than

1846
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 5: what you see. And I think some of that relates

1847
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:08,320
Speaker 5: to like why Kyle Duggar is where he is right

1848
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:10,760
Speaker 5: now because he's not really a quarter safety. He's not

1849
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 5: really like a deep safety like that, So it's I

1850
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:17,160
Speaker 5: asked Scott Booker about that and he gave me like

1851
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:19,160
Speaker 5: the run around of like, oh, well, we just like

1852
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:21,200
Speaker 5: to mix up the coverages, you know. It's just we're

1853
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:22,719
Speaker 5: gonna just play a bunch of different ones.

1854
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:25,840
Speaker 8: But yeah, they're very Mike, you want to throw your

1855
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:30,479
Speaker 8: Kyle Duggar question to Fred, see how Fred answers it. Yeah.

1856
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:31,920
Speaker 3: Sure, I asked the boys. We were sitting up there

1857
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:33,639
Speaker 3: watching and I just said, if you have right now,

1858
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:36,240
Speaker 3: Paul and we watched.

1859
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 5: We watched practice together today, all right.

1860
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:41,320
Speaker 9: If you had to say, right now, where's Kyle doug

1861
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 9: or Week one? Is he a patriot or is he playing?

1862
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:45,240
Speaker 9: Is he not a patriot?

1863
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:46,760
Speaker 2: I think he could be. I don't know if it

1864
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:48,640
Speaker 2: would be a surprise at this point, but he's a

1865
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:49,839
Speaker 2: surprise cut candidate.

1866
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was all with a chance. I think, yeah,

1867
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:54,880
Speaker 3: I'm kind of with Paul.

1868
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:56,800
Speaker 9: I still lean like they're not quite ready to give

1869
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:58,240
Speaker 9: up on him yet and I don't and I don't

1870
01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 9: feel super very close from well.

1871
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:02,559
Speaker 8: To me, it's the money money.

1872
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 2: So we all know he was playing deep into the game,

1873
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:06,680
Speaker 2: if not.

1874
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:09,720
Speaker 8: The guys that play when he played that, he was

1875
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:10,679
Speaker 8: the very last place.

1876
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1877
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:15,560
Speaker 2: So from your film review, yes, was he doing anything

1878
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:18,400
Speaker 2: where you could say, Okay, the reason why he's playing

1879
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:20,680
Speaker 2: deep is because they're asking him to do things he

1880
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:22,840
Speaker 2: hasn't done before and he needs to practice.

1881
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say that there's some of that, you

1882
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:28,439
Speaker 5: know he was. They're playing a lot of quarters, like

1883
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:31,679
Speaker 5: I was saying, and then they'll rotate into cover one

1884
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:33,720
Speaker 5: or cover three, depending on you know, they kind of

1885
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:36,640
Speaker 5: mix it up right. Sometimes they stay stagnant and they

1886
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:38,760
Speaker 5: stay too deep, and then sometimes they rotate it to

1887
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 5: single high and you know, some of those things that

1888
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 5: they do and in the back end when they play

1889
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:48,160
Speaker 5: those kinds of coverages are especially in quarters, are different

1890
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:50,800
Speaker 5: than what they've been doing around here the last couple

1891
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 5: of years. You know, they might be in match quarters

1892
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:55,960
Speaker 5: where he's like kind of has a man that he's

1893
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:58,240
Speaker 5: you know, keying in on and then if that man

1894
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:00,760
Speaker 5: runs under, then he's in a zone. And it's just

1895
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 5: you know, some of those intricacies. And I think what

1896
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 5: we see with Kyle Dugger sometimes is he's kind of

1897
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:09,600
Speaker 5: got tunnel vision, where like he doesn't see the whole concept.

1898
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 5: He only kind of sees like his twenty five percent

1899
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:15,639
Speaker 5: of the field, and then guys are like running into

1900
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:18,680
Speaker 5: his content, you know, his area from other areas, and

1901
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 5: he's not really like he's not instinctive, like he's not

1902
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:24,200
Speaker 5: picking up on those guys. So I think that they

1903
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:27,160
Speaker 5: are trying to see if he fits his defense and

1904
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:29,720
Speaker 5: if he can adapt to him with more reps, and

1905
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:32,280
Speaker 5: the live reps are obviously the only thing that's really

1906
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:35,040
Speaker 5: going to help is if it sticks for him, because

1907
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:37,240
Speaker 5: I think he watching him on the tape, like he

1908
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:40,400
Speaker 5: moved significantly better than everybody else that was on the

1909
01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:42,960
Speaker 5: field at that point, to the point where sometimes I

1910
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:45,760
Speaker 5: think he was actually slowing himself down so that he

1911
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 5: wasn't like over running plays because he was going at

1912
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:51,840
Speaker 5: a different speed than everybody else. But it's mental, it's

1913
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:53,519
Speaker 5: all of it. Is is he going to catch on

1914
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:54,320
Speaker 5: to it mentally?

1915
01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:54,760
Speaker 14: Yeah.

1916
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:58,439
Speaker 2: And similarly when he was on the field, you know,

1917
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:01,760
Speaker 2: really one of the best guys on the field was Jennings, Like, yes,

1918
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:04,360
Speaker 2: he's another guy that played deep, but he was dominating.

1919
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, he took that right tackle, he whopped him.

1920
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 5: He was It wasn't just the sacks like he was.

1921
01:26:11,479 --> 01:26:14,600
Speaker 5: He was beating the right tackle, the Vikings back up

1922
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 5: right tackle all second half, in every area. But he's

1923
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 5: dominating a guy that I don't know if it's gonna

1924
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:21,320
Speaker 5: even be.

1925
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:24,640
Speaker 2: Right, which which he should do, he should do, you know.

1926
01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:27,200
Speaker 8: So for that reason, I don't think that those guys

1927
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 8: will get cut necessarily, but I do think that they're

1928
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:32,479
Speaker 8: going to look to move them if they can. I

1929
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:35,240
Speaker 8: just don't know if, especially with Dougger. I think Jennings

1930
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:38,040
Speaker 8: could get moved because I don't think his contract is prohibitive.

1931
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 2: It's like this is the last year, right.

1932
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 8: I think he has two extension three year extensions.

1933
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 2: I think, oh so, at first he signed a one

1934
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:50,519
Speaker 2: year and then they update, is that a.

1935
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:52,639
Speaker 10: Year?

1936
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:56,200
Speaker 8: Twelve million dollars rings out of my head. It's not

1937
01:26:56,479 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 8: big money, but Douger is big money. Doug Dougger has

1938
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:04,439
Speaker 8: the second highest cap hit on the team, So I

1939
01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:07,520
Speaker 8: think they would look to move him if they could.

1940
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 8: But if they can't, I think he's going to be here,

1941
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:13,720
Speaker 8: and I think he'll play like I just think. I

1942
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:15,840
Speaker 8: think he's too talented to just not play at all.

1943
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:18,080
Speaker 8: I don't I've never been in love with Kyle Dugger

1944
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 8: in coverage. I think the problem here is pretty obvious.

1945
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 8: What we talk about all the time, him and Peppers

1946
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:28,400
Speaker 8: kind of more comfortable closer to the line is box safeties.

1947
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:32,479
Speaker 8: They clearly think Peppers is better right now at that role.

1948
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:33,960
Speaker 8: They don't want to have them both out there. I

1949
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 8: don't know, but that's a big to me. It's a

1950
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 8: big leap from that to we're just going to cut

1951
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:46,439
Speaker 8: a guy and pay him whatever is left on you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1952
01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:47,720
Speaker 9: One of the things that stood out to me was

1953
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:51,040
Speaker 9: when Jibill Peppers didn't play on Thursday's practice last week.

1954
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 9: They didn't give Kyle Dugger a chance in that sub linebacker.

1955
01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:56,880
Speaker 4: Role that it was Del Pettis.

1956
01:27:57,080 --> 01:27:59,240
Speaker 9: So they I don't even know if they see Dougger

1957
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:01,559
Speaker 9: the way that we see Douger. I think they see

1958
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:04,240
Speaker 9: Peppers and Douglas as different in that, you know, they

1959
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 9: really seem to have a design on Tabril Peppers and

1960
01:28:06,479 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 9: wanting to play him on passing downs next to Spelene.

1961
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:10,680
Speaker 4: I mean he might be between him and l.

1962
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:13,040
Speaker 8: I think it's what Evans. I think that they do

1963
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:15,720
Speaker 8: see him like that. They don't know if they can

1964
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:18,439
Speaker 8: do the other thing. They know that he could. You know,

1965
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 8: we got to figure out if if we don't have

1966
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:22,000
Speaker 8: Kyle Dugger in this team, if we're going to trade

1967
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:23,040
Speaker 8: him because we don't need.

1968
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:23,400
Speaker 2: Two of those.

1969
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:25,599
Speaker 8: We got to figure out who's going to be behind

1970
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:29,679
Speaker 8: Peppers because Peppers get hurt every year two. So they're

1971
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:31,600
Speaker 8: going to have to figure out if Kyle Duger can

1972
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:33,680
Speaker 8: play in a different way if they're both going to

1973
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:36,960
Speaker 8: be on the field together, you know. In other words,

1974
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:39,280
Speaker 8: I don't think that Kyle Duger fell behind del Pettis

1975
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:39,599
Speaker 8: on the debt.

1976
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:41,840
Speaker 4: Well, I would just say it's interesting him.

1977
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:43,600
Speaker 8: That's what it was reported as last week. I know

1978
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:45,439
Speaker 8: you guys probably weren't up on all the different things

1979
01:28:45,439 --> 01:28:48,680
Speaker 8: that would be getting reported out of Minnesota, but that

1980
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 8: was one of them.

1981
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:51,639
Speaker 9: He's now with the threes, Like, yeah, I like that point.

1982
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:53,360
Speaker 9: I just think it's asume we haven't seen him at.

1983
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:54,519
Speaker 4: All at that linebacker role.

1984
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 2: You haven't.

1985
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:56,559
Speaker 9: You've just seen him as kind of a safety, whereas

1986
01:28:56,560 --> 01:28:58,880
Speaker 9: Peppers you have seen play a lot of that line.

1987
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:01,439
Speaker 8: I think Peppers is that yeah. Yeah, but I think

1988
01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:04,920
Speaker 8: if something were to happen to Peppers like tomorrow and

1989
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:06,840
Speaker 8: they needed to just you know, I think Dugger would

1990
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:07,240
Speaker 8: be in that role.

1991
01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:08,519
Speaker 9: Yeah, but that would be the first time we've seen

1992
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:10,320
Speaker 9: him even do it in camp, you know, like, is

1993
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:12,120
Speaker 9: he gonna be able to grasp that too, or is

1994
01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 9: that oh yeah, that he's good at that, you know.

1995
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:15,720
Speaker 8: I mean, I don't know he can do that, so

1996
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:17,040
Speaker 8: they have to find out if he can do the

1997
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 8: other thing. It'd be my guest. I don't for whatever

1998
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:21,519
Speaker 8: reason they don't, I mean, he's not in the plants,

1999
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:24,519
Speaker 8: But whatever reason it is, they're clearly looking to move

2000
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 8: on for him.

2001
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 5: I think it's a complimentary thing, like Craig Woodson and

2002
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:30,879
Speaker 5: Jalen Hawkins are just more complimentary players to Jabriel Peppers,

2003
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:33,280
Speaker 5: not to mention some of the deep zone stuff that

2004
01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 5: they want to do and they need like a guy

2005
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:37,800
Speaker 5: that can really cover grass and can kind of see

2006
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:40,760
Speaker 5: things and anticipate things like I don't think that they

2007
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:44,240
Speaker 5: are looking for somebody like Duggart who's going to be

2008
01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:46,599
Speaker 5: a little bit stiffer and not be able to move

2009
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:49,840
Speaker 5: sideline to sideline, you know, Craig Woodson, Jalen Hawkins, like

2010
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:53,080
Speaker 5: a little bit more like that that unlocks Gabriel Peppers

2011
01:29:53,080 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 5: to do his thing closer to the line of scrimmage

2012
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:57,720
Speaker 5: and blitz and be in the run fits and like

2013
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:00,960
Speaker 5: all that that stuff. I just the one question. I

2014
01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:04,040
Speaker 5: think the safety thing in terms of like free and

2015
01:30:04,120 --> 01:30:07,599
Speaker 5: strong safety is kind of solidified. Like I think it's

2016
01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:11,520
Speaker 5: going to be a rotation of Pepper's, Woodson and Hawkins

2017
01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:14,880
Speaker 5: in some wave shape or form. I have no idea

2018
01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 5: how they're going to cover tight ends. And this is

2019
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:19,479
Speaker 5: something that we brought up a ton of Minnesota because

2020
01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:22,200
Speaker 5: t J. Hawkinson was kind of killing them in practice

2021
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:27,519
Speaker 5: after zach Ertz killed them in practice, right, And it's

2022
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:30,120
Speaker 5: not so much like I just don't know what the

2023
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:32,840
Speaker 5: what they this scheme, Like how do you cover the

2024
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:35,800
Speaker 5: tight end within the framework of the defense, Because the

2025
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:38,680
Speaker 5: Belichick defense you had the Duggers and you know, the

2026
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:40,840
Speaker 5: chunks and like those types of guys that you just

2027
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:43,519
Speaker 5: kind of knew where the tight end stoppers. I don't

2028
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:44,680
Speaker 5: know if that's how they want to do.

2029
01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:46,559
Speaker 9: It, Like Ellis is going to get stuck on some

2030
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:48,680
Speaker 9: tight ends, Marcus Jones is going to get stuck on

2031
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:50,360
Speaker 9: some tight ends. And I think it goes to the

2032
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:54,759
Speaker 9: point you asked the cornerbacks coach today about Alex Austin

2033
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:56,639
Speaker 9: in the slot, and maybe that's an option to give.

2034
01:30:56,479 --> 01:30:57,360
Speaker 4: You a little bit more size.

2035
01:30:57,439 --> 01:30:59,559
Speaker 2: I mean, we talk about Week one against the Raiders.

2036
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 2: They've got hours, but I think in that game we

2037
01:31:02,479 --> 01:31:06,320
Speaker 2: talked about it. You could put Davis on the tight end,

2038
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:08,960
Speaker 2: you know, I think you can physical you can loan

2039
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 2: him to the tight end because they don't have the receivers.

2040
01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:14,120
Speaker 2: Aren't that great where you need you know, I'm assuming

2041
01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:17,080
Speaker 2: Gonzo is going to be available to play that you

2042
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:19,120
Speaker 2: would need both of those guys on the outside.

2043
01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:21,200
Speaker 8: Wouldn't be stunned. Yeah, we talked about it. If they

2044
01:31:21,200 --> 01:31:22,639
Speaker 8: did something like that last week.

2045
01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:26,880
Speaker 5: It's it's not Rock Bowers that scares me necessarily from

2046
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:29,559
Speaker 5: this perspective, It's like t J. Hawkinson, it's the third

2047
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:31,760
Speaker 5: If it's the third fiddle.

2048
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:33,360
Speaker 4: In the offense, you can't game Penling wrong.

2049
01:31:33,479 --> 01:31:36,200
Speaker 5: You gotta put justin Jefferson. You know, you gotta do

2050
01:31:36,280 --> 01:31:39,040
Speaker 5: something to Justin Jefferson. Jordan Addison's on the other side,

2051
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:41,240
Speaker 5: and they have this pass catching tight end that can

2052
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:42,280
Speaker 5: make plays, right.

2053
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:44,280
Speaker 2: Well, that's going to cause problems for most teams.

2054
01:31:44,439 --> 01:31:46,680
Speaker 5: So if he's one on one, who's he won on

2055
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:49,880
Speaker 5: one with? And how are they able to keep it

2056
01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:52,880
Speaker 5: so that T. J. Hawkinson isn't beating you?

2057
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:55,639
Speaker 8: But you could see that, you know twice with Miami,

2058
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:59,200
Speaker 8: right you know, like we saw it last year John

2059
01:31:59,240 --> 01:31:59,960
Speaker 8: Neu Smith.

2060
01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:03,000
Speaker 4: You know J Smith again and in Pittsburgh.

2061
01:32:03,240 --> 01:32:06,360
Speaker 8: But that's a team that has two options that are

2062
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:09,400
Speaker 8: going to require Davis and Gonzo's attention. Right now, You've

2063
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:11,280
Speaker 8: got to deal with a tight end who is capable

2064
01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:11,840
Speaker 8: as a receiver.

2065
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:13,720
Speaker 2: And in Miami we might have to be dealing with

2066
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:15,439
Speaker 2: Matt Judan coming out of the edge.

2067
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:19,320
Speaker 8: Saw that Yeah, just signed h Yeah.

2068
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:21,000
Speaker 4: Wow, how quickly things have changed.

2069
01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:25,559
Speaker 2: I just so he's gonna have teal sleeves now that

2070
01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:30,160
Speaker 2: we'll have to see not red Rob writes in Underrated

2071
01:32:30,160 --> 01:32:34,280
Speaker 2: aspect of the Patriots preseason so far. No penalties, lots

2072
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:39,120
Speaker 2: of physicality, not a lot of mistakes yet, Yeah, buying that.

2073
01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:42,280
Speaker 8: I would focus on the pre snap stuff that was

2074
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:44,439
Speaker 8: really a problem last year has not been a problem.

2075
01:32:44,439 --> 01:32:45,599
Speaker 8: This year that's a real positive.

2076
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:47,160
Speaker 9: So it's hard to like compare it tho because last

2077
01:32:47,200 --> 01:32:48,840
Speaker 9: year it fell like such a train wreck and like

2078
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:51,160
Speaker 9: this year it's been definitely good, you know, but.

2079
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:53,200
Speaker 4: I was so scarred by it last year. It's like, well,

2080
01:32:53,240 --> 01:32:54,280
Speaker 4: what's what's good?

2081
01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:54,479
Speaker 7: Now?

2082
01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:58,240
Speaker 9: That's still we're at. But I think overall, operation, play, intensity,

2083
01:32:58,280 --> 01:33:00,240
Speaker 9: all that stuff has been really up.

2084
01:33:00,360 --> 01:33:03,080
Speaker 8: It's buttoned up, you're lying, you're lining up properly, You're

2085
01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:06,719
Speaker 8: you know what. I know, you guys, but you guys, Yeah,

2086
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:08,960
Speaker 8: but you guys made a comment. I think Baker had

2087
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:11,639
Speaker 8: a false start penalty. Like that's when you can name

2088
01:33:11,720 --> 01:33:13,360
Speaker 8: them like individually.

2089
01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:15,040
Speaker 9: Right, that's a good set of like, oh, I mean

2090
01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:16,559
Speaker 9: you have a lot of times last year, remember would

2091
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:17,920
Speaker 9: be like the first or second snap of the game

2092
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:18,920
Speaker 9: that you have a false start on.

2093
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:21,360
Speaker 8: The home when you had in Washington the tackles were

2094
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:22,280
Speaker 8: lining up in the backfield.

2095
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:25,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, god, yeah, I mean I'm far.

2096
01:33:25,160 --> 01:33:26,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think again and again.

2097
01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:28,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, if you had to add it all up and

2098
01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:30,599
Speaker 9: just kind of sum it up, I think on both

2099
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:32,400
Speaker 9: sides of the ball, and maybe even in the special

2100
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:32,880
Speaker 9: teams too.

2101
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:35,439
Speaker 4: There's gonna be big swings like back and forth.

2102
01:33:35,439 --> 01:33:37,240
Speaker 9: That's what it feels like, a big play on the kickoff,

2103
01:33:37,240 --> 01:33:38,920
Speaker 9: and then they give up a big play or you know,

2104
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:41,559
Speaker 9: big sack on defense and then they get gashed by

2105
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:43,240
Speaker 9: a screen for a big play and you know, Drake

2106
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:45,479
Speaker 9: misses a wide open guy, but then he bombs one

2107
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:47,439
Speaker 9: down the sideline and hit mass caling like those kind

2108
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:48,719
Speaker 9: of like swings.

2109
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:49,679
Speaker 4: Can they just find.

2110
01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:52,320
Speaker 9: Enough consistency across those three phases to win games? And

2111
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:54,080
Speaker 9: you know that's what very Able said, the thing we

2112
01:33:54,120 --> 01:33:55,720
Speaker 9: have to start preparing to win right now.

2113
01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:57,200
Speaker 4: So I don't know what that looks like.

2114
01:33:57,240 --> 01:34:00,160
Speaker 2: That'd be a good uh Steven marblehead? Right, where do

2115
01:34:00,240 --> 01:34:02,759
Speaker 2: you ranked Hishm in terms of all time Patriots? Fred?

2116
01:34:03,240 --> 01:34:05,680
Speaker 2: Where do you rank Hism relative to Stanley Morgan and

2117
01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:11,120
Speaker 2: Randy Moss? Slightly lower? Deuce Alex and Evan Alex isn't

2118
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:13,200
Speaker 2: here today, but Duce and Evan where do you rank his?

2119
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:15,160
Speaker 2: And relative to Welker and Edelman?

2120
01:34:16,360 --> 01:34:17,120
Speaker 4: Not behind him?

2121
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:21,680
Speaker 2: And then Paul, where do you rank Hism relative to

2122
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:23,920
Speaker 2: Josh Boyce and Bam Childress.

2123
01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:28,120
Speaker 8: Oh way different kind of receiver than Josh Boyce, but

2124
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:34,479
Speaker 8: Bam Childress. I think he was just kidding that way,

2125
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:36,280
Speaker 8: and I used it as an opportunity to say that

2126
01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:37,639
Speaker 8: I've been down this road before.

2127
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:41,640
Speaker 2: Jeremiah says, I may have rose colored glasses on. But

2128
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:45,040
Speaker 2: I've always felt May has shown glimpses of that killer mentality.

2129
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:47,960
Speaker 2: But I just don't think coaching or players made it

2130
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:50,880
Speaker 2: any easier on him. Trying to execute the games. I

2131
01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:53,800
Speaker 2: like to think of where it's score or go home.

2132
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:56,840
Speaker 2: Like Jacksonville. He took it downfield and scored to give

2133
01:34:56,880 --> 01:34:59,200
Speaker 2: them a chance in the Rams where they tied it,

2134
01:34:59,240 --> 01:35:02,000
Speaker 2: but he just couldn't do it again to win the game.

2135
01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:05,200
Speaker 5: Okay, so they're behind it jackson They.

2136
01:35:05,200 --> 01:35:07,559
Speaker 8: Got killed by Jacksonville. They were never even competitive in

2137
01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:11,200
Speaker 8: the game. Well, I jumped out to a ten nothing lead,

2138
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:12,759
Speaker 8: then gave up like thirty two straight.

2139
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:15,080
Speaker 5: And then they got like I think they got. Remember

2140
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:17,000
Speaker 5: they went for two. It was the all.

2141
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:19,759
Speaker 8: We They were never within a touchdown in the second

2142
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:22,519
Speaker 8: I went for two down nine, didn't get it. The

2143
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:25,719
Speaker 8: Rams game, they never tied the game. They were chasing

2144
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:28,200
Speaker 8: at the end, and he had a chance to steal

2145
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:30,800
Speaker 8: it and threw a pick. I think he might have

2146
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:34,719
Speaker 8: been thinking about the Tennessee game that they tied, which

2147
01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:39,360
Speaker 8: I talked about a little earlier. Yeah, I do think

2148
01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:42,240
Speaker 8: there's something to the fact that when you're asked to

2149
01:35:42,240 --> 01:35:45,599
Speaker 8: do as much as he was asked to do last year. Yeah,

2150
01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:48,519
Speaker 8: I think it's hard when you get in those the

2151
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:50,519
Speaker 8: situations where you feel like you have to do it all.

2152
01:35:51,080 --> 01:35:53,519
Speaker 4: It's a little different. Like think about Justin Herbert.

2153
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:55,760
Speaker 9: We were the fan base with him right now, like

2154
01:35:55,800 --> 01:35:57,800
Speaker 9: that to me, will be every that's a question for him,

2155
01:35:57,920 --> 01:35:59,559
Speaker 9: do it all? He didn't throw the ball, he didn't

2156
01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:02,040
Speaker 9: turn the ball over barely at all last year, but just.

2157
01:36:02,040 --> 01:36:03,040
Speaker 4: Can he win the big one?

2158
01:36:03,080 --> 01:36:05,840
Speaker 9: Can you know you've got opportunity in arrowhead to knock

2159
01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:06,639
Speaker 9: off Patrick Mahomes.

2160
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:08,599
Speaker 8: He won a lot more games as a rookie than

2161
01:36:08,680 --> 01:36:14,320
Speaker 8: Drake May did, And those questions persist for Justin Herbert.

2162
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:19,240
Speaker 5: Justin Herbert is the biggest juxtaposition between film Twitter and

2163
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:23,040
Speaker 5: like narrative Twitter. Like film Twitter is obsessed with Justin Herbert,

2164
01:36:23,080 --> 01:36:26,280
Speaker 5: like the throws that he makes are just unbelievable, but

2165
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:29,360
Speaker 5: then narrative Twitter, like Paul Shows are like the guy

2166
01:36:29,400 --> 01:36:31,960
Speaker 5: can't win, he stinks right and it's just so funny

2167
01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:33,200
Speaker 5: to see if.

2168
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:35,639
Speaker 8: I really like Justin Herbert, I don't think that those

2169
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:39,000
Speaker 8: those criticisms are unfair. He has not won as much

2170
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:39,599
Speaker 8: as he should.

2171
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:41,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he threw a twenty yard out in

2172
01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:44,280
Speaker 5: the game the other night. That's going around film Twitter.

2173
01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:47,160
Speaker 8: That's just right. It's going around the dark Web.

2174
01:36:48,280 --> 01:36:51,120
Speaker 5: And you're just like, you're like, holy crap, this guy

2175
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:51,559
Speaker 5: can throw.

2176
01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:55,920
Speaker 2: Make you just picture you know, Evan Zilk out there

2177
01:36:55,560 --> 01:36:58,519
Speaker 2: in their basements and their underwares and they're tidy white.

2178
01:36:58,520 --> 01:36:59,920
Speaker 2: He's just watching this stuff.

2179
01:37:00,040 --> 01:37:00,840
Speaker 8: The bil thing goes up.

2180
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:04,320
Speaker 9: But it's such an interesting way to analyze quarterbacks because

2181
01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:05,960
Speaker 9: a guy like Justin Herbert and Drake may they have

2182
01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:10,160
Speaker 9: all the intangibles, and someone like may Uh mac Jones,

2183
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:13,320
Speaker 9: who didn't have all the intangibles, but someone like me

2184
01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:15,280
Speaker 9: still held out hope that well, if he could just

2185
01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:17,559
Speaker 9: not make the killer mistake and then at the end

2186
01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:21,120
Speaker 9: you kick in, you make the throws then but even

2187
01:37:21,120 --> 01:37:23,000
Speaker 9: then you were still always knew he would.

2188
01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:23,519
Speaker 4: Be limited in a way.

2189
01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:26,240
Speaker 9: And that's why for guys like Drake eventually maybe and

2190
01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:29,400
Speaker 9: Justin Herbert more and more so, they have everything they need.

2191
01:37:29,439 --> 01:37:32,080
Speaker 9: They have all those those intangibles.

2192
01:37:31,479 --> 01:37:34,000
Speaker 4: So you're left wondering like, well, what what more frontiers

2193
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:36,120
Speaker 4: are there to conquer? That's the one. You just gotta

2194
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:36,599
Speaker 4: win games.

2195
01:37:36,720 --> 01:37:39,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get back to the phones. Eldred's in North Carolina.

2196
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:46,640
Speaker 2: Watch up Eldred? What card pile up?

2197
01:37:47,920 --> 01:37:48,160
Speaker 10: Hey?

2198
01:37:48,240 --> 01:37:48,479
Speaker 16: Mike?

2199
01:37:48,680 --> 01:37:48,840
Speaker 8: Uh?

2200
01:37:49,120 --> 01:37:52,600
Speaker 16: That game the coach Will was miked up and he

2201
01:37:52,680 --> 01:37:53,519
Speaker 16: was talking noise?

2202
01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:54,400
Speaker 22: Did he say that?

2203
01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:57,680
Speaker 16: And he was calling him play his de quarterback and

2204
01:37:57,760 --> 01:38:01,320
Speaker 16: they were to whooped this? But he did? And get

2205
01:38:01,400 --> 01:38:02,479
Speaker 16: back to to May.

2206
01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:05,280
Speaker 22: Would him a little bit.

2207
01:38:06,640 --> 01:38:10,920
Speaker 16: A team? But he's young, give a little bit. Did

2208
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:13,000
Speaker 16: he show that killer and don't kill at him? But

2209
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:15,920
Speaker 16: I think he was younger, did so? I think I

2210
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:18,600
Speaker 16: think Josh could bring it out of not did you?

2211
01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:22,759
Speaker 22: Maybe next year? Okay, I have a good one.

2212
01:38:22,640 --> 01:38:26,080
Speaker 2: All right, thanks thanks Brigge. Yeah, I just don't. I

2213
01:38:26,160 --> 01:38:29,360
Speaker 2: don't think we've seen enough opportunities for him to show

2214
01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:33,120
Speaker 2: us whether or not he's got that killer instinct. So

2215
01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:34,040
Speaker 2: the jury's out.

2216
01:38:34,439 --> 01:38:38,840
Speaker 5: I just get him doing the regular things consistently well

2217
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:41,080
Speaker 5: before we start worrying about can he put them over

2218
01:38:41,120 --> 01:38:41,439
Speaker 5: the top.

2219
01:38:41,560 --> 01:38:43,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think it's the thing you can develop.

2220
01:38:43,400 --> 01:38:45,719
Speaker 9: I mean, Paul talks about Tom Brady in his third start,

2221
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:48,120
Speaker 9: But I mean Tom Brady relentlessly preparing for a year

2222
01:38:48,120 --> 01:38:50,240
Speaker 9: and a half, felt, you know, ready to take advantage

2223
01:38:50,280 --> 01:38:52,720
Speaker 9: of you know, could we say that Drake May has

2224
01:38:52,720 --> 01:38:54,600
Speaker 9: ever been as prepared as Tom Brady was in his

2225
01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:57,200
Speaker 9: third start. I don't think he's not been that for

2226
01:38:57,320 --> 01:38:59,880
Speaker 9: he hasn't had the coaching, He hasn't had the experience yet.

2227
01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:03,840
Speaker 2: Even big games in college. I mean, I know, with

2228
01:39:04,439 --> 01:39:07,920
Speaker 2: famously Brady split time with Drew Henson, but he had

2229
01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:14,280
Speaker 2: some amazing games at Michigan Orange Bowl. Yeah, and that clutch.

2230
01:39:14,920 --> 01:39:19,080
Speaker 8: But I think that the more the better reason to

2231
01:39:19,080 --> 01:39:22,040
Speaker 8: make fun of my Brady comparison is it's Tom freaking.

2232
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:23,879
Speaker 5: Brady, right, right, like some statue.

2233
01:39:24,280 --> 01:39:26,720
Speaker 8: Right, there's a reason that we unveiled the statue two

2234
01:39:26,760 --> 01:39:31,559
Speaker 8: weeks ago. He's the greatest of all time, right, Like,

2235
01:39:31,880 --> 01:39:34,160
Speaker 8: there's no reason why Drake May shouldn't be as prepared

2236
01:39:34,160 --> 01:39:36,479
Speaker 8: as Tom Brady was in the middle of it, you know,

2237
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:42,800
Speaker 8: in the second year. Why, but coaching Brady is unbelievable, right,

2238
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:45,360
Speaker 8: Why does coaching preparing.

2239
01:39:45,439 --> 01:39:47,120
Speaker 3: Because you're not getting the right info. I mean, you're

2240
01:39:47,120 --> 01:39:48,679
Speaker 3: not getting you know, they.

2241
01:39:48,520 --> 01:39:51,599
Speaker 8: Got good info last year like the like the info

2242
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:52,680
Speaker 8: was the problem.

2243
01:39:52,800 --> 01:39:54,040
Speaker 4: Well part of the problem.

2244
01:39:54,160 --> 01:39:56,240
Speaker 9: Yeah, I would say I would say that Tom Brady

2245
01:39:56,280 --> 01:40:00,240
Speaker 9: with Bill Belichick was getting better info than Jake May

2246
01:40:00,320 --> 01:40:02,599
Speaker 9: was getting last year with with Alex van Pelt.

2247
01:40:02,600 --> 01:40:03,839
Speaker 4: And I mean, I'm not trying.

2248
01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:06,000
Speaker 8: To say I'm not saying like, I don't I don't

2249
01:40:06,120 --> 01:40:09,280
Speaker 8: know that Brady that sorry, Drake May is unprepared. I'm

2250
01:40:09,320 --> 01:40:12,400
Speaker 8: not saying that, but I wouldn't blame that on Alex

2251
01:40:12,479 --> 01:40:14,640
Speaker 8: van Pelt. I mean, now, is Alex van Pelt as

2252
01:40:14,680 --> 01:40:15,640
Speaker 8: good as Bill Belichick?

2253
01:40:15,720 --> 01:40:15,920
Speaker 2: No?

2254
01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:20,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, but I mean Bo Belichick great, Alex.

2255
01:40:21,560 --> 01:40:21,680
Speaker 16: Well.

2256
01:40:22,040 --> 01:40:23,519
Speaker 9: The point, though, I was really trying to get at,

2257
01:40:23,640 --> 01:40:25,960
Speaker 9: was just that like, yeah, Brady's special and and yes,

2258
01:40:26,040 --> 01:40:28,880
Speaker 9: probably a lot of his early success was just innate.

2259
01:40:28,600 --> 01:40:30,880
Speaker 4: But I don't think that that's it. You're either clutch

2260
01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:31,280
Speaker 4: or you're not.

2261
01:40:31,479 --> 01:40:32,920
Speaker 3: And you know what I mean, like you can get

2262
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:34,479
Speaker 3: to that point, but trying to think.

2263
01:40:35,120 --> 01:40:37,479
Speaker 8: I'm not saying that he's not. I'm not saying that

2264
01:40:37,560 --> 01:40:40,400
Speaker 8: Drake May is not. I'm saying that we don't know

2265
01:40:40,720 --> 01:40:42,080
Speaker 8: because we haven't got the information.

2266
01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:44,920
Speaker 2: But I kind of think you question, I think it's

2267
01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:45,400
Speaker 2: in your.

2268
01:40:45,560 --> 01:40:47,360
Speaker 5: Get him to be able to read cover two before.

2269
01:40:49,040 --> 01:40:54,640
Speaker 8: I do not want to have any like nonsensical abstracts discussions.

2270
01:40:54,800 --> 01:40:57,200
Speaker 5: It's for putting the car well before the horse. But

2271
01:40:57,479 --> 01:40:59,320
Speaker 5: he's got to be able to hit the open receivers.

2272
01:40:59,400 --> 01:41:01,240
Speaker 5: So we were he's gonna I'm.

2273
01:41:01,080 --> 01:41:04,360
Speaker 8: Gonna answer my own question. You know why, because you're

2274
01:41:04,360 --> 01:41:07,360
Speaker 8: an analytical sort of guy and you don't believe in it.

2275
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:10,360
Speaker 8: You don't believe in it. You guys, have you told

2276
01:41:10,400 --> 01:41:12,560
Speaker 8: me millions of times that there's no difference between the

2277
01:41:12,640 --> 01:41:14,519
Speaker 8: ninth inning at bat and the second inning at that

2278
01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:18,040
Speaker 8: clutch doesn't exist. And I would just you don't have

2279
01:41:18,120 --> 01:41:20,120
Speaker 8: to have the last drive of the game be the

2280
01:41:20,120 --> 01:41:22,960
Speaker 8: only clutch drive of the game. You can be clutch

2281
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:25,920
Speaker 8: putting a game away in the second quarter. You can

2282
01:41:25,960 --> 01:41:29,599
Speaker 8: have that killer third that Fred's talking about. That killer

2283
01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:33,559
Speaker 8: it can manifest in a myriad of ways third and

2284
01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:36,599
Speaker 8: long like during a game. It doesn't have to gotta

2285
01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:37,160
Speaker 8: have it, please.

2286
01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:39,640
Speaker 5: I just I guess, I just it's not that I

2287
01:41:39,640 --> 01:41:42,000
Speaker 5: don't believe in it, but I just look at it different.

2288
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:44,040
Speaker 8: But you admit that you're ill does not believe in it.

2289
01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:46,720
Speaker 5: I admit that, and I would say that like to me.

2290
01:41:46,840 --> 01:41:49,560
Speaker 5: It's just like, like Brady was clutch because he was

2291
01:41:49,600 --> 01:41:54,160
Speaker 5: so consistent, and like he just every time he made

2292
01:41:54,200 --> 01:41:57,080
Speaker 5: the right decision with the ball, and he was like

2293
01:41:57,160 --> 01:41:58,080
Speaker 5: he was just saying he.

2294
01:41:58,000 --> 01:42:00,439
Speaker 2: Made the right decision because he was clutch when he

2295
01:42:00,479 --> 01:42:00,880
Speaker 2: had to.

2296
01:42:01,120 --> 01:42:03,639
Speaker 5: But but like he did that in the first quarter,

2297
01:42:03,680 --> 01:42:05,240
Speaker 5: and he did that in the fourth part, and I

2298
01:42:05,240 --> 01:42:09,120
Speaker 5: hear get Drake to do that like consistently period before

2299
01:42:09,400 --> 01:42:09,800
Speaker 5: I'll give you.

2300
01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:12,720
Speaker 2: And forget about Drake. Any player, let's not say this

2301
01:42:12,760 --> 01:42:15,840
Speaker 2: is all about Drake if you don't have the fundamentals down.

2302
01:42:15,880 --> 01:42:18,240
Speaker 2: I get it. It's tough to be clutched because the

2303
01:42:18,320 --> 01:42:19,400
Speaker 2: game is going.

2304
01:42:19,200 --> 01:42:21,400
Speaker 5: Too fast and it just unravels.

2305
01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:26,720
Speaker 2: But when you clutch, the game slows down because you

2306
01:42:26,920 --> 01:42:30,439
Speaker 2: understand what's going around you. You you recognize that, you

2307
01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:33,280
Speaker 2: process it faster and then you can execute it.

2308
01:42:33,280 --> 01:42:35,880
Speaker 8: And that's when you're Joe Montana pointing out John Candy.

2309
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:40,760
Speaker 5: And I but Brady through on the first drive and

2310
01:42:40,800 --> 01:42:42,040
Speaker 5: he's doing that on the last drive.

2311
01:42:42,120 --> 01:42:42,519
Speaker 2: I get it.

2312
01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:44,559
Speaker 5: He was maniacally consistent.

2313
01:42:44,680 --> 01:42:47,000
Speaker 8: I get that he was, and that's what separated him.

2314
01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:49,960
Speaker 8: But he also had periods of bad playing games, but

2315
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:52,439
Speaker 8: never when it counted, Yeah, never when he had to

2316
01:42:52,439 --> 01:42:52,960
Speaker 8: have a drive?

2317
01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:56,080
Speaker 4: Does does Barth believe in clutch kickers?

2318
01:42:56,520 --> 01:42:57,120
Speaker 13: Barth is.

2319
01:42:59,640 --> 01:43:00,920
Speaker 5: Clutch that it pains me?

2320
01:43:01,439 --> 01:43:04,519
Speaker 8: I just I just look at it.

2321
01:43:04,640 --> 01:43:06,400
Speaker 9: That's a clutch, I really am, It's a really I

2322
01:43:06,600 --> 01:43:09,160
Speaker 9: think I find it fascinating just because, like I said,

2323
01:43:09,160 --> 01:43:12,480
Speaker 9: I think that's what is the biggest ingredient for greatness.

2324
01:43:12,479 --> 01:43:14,400
Speaker 9: Like a lot of guys are tall and can throw

2325
01:43:14,439 --> 01:43:16,080
Speaker 9: the ball a mile and can run really good.

2326
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:17,000
Speaker 4: But the guys who do in.

2327
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:18,679
Speaker 8: That league, every game is decided.

2328
01:43:18,680 --> 01:43:20,759
Speaker 2: And I know I'm going to bring up three players

2329
01:43:20,760 --> 01:43:25,280
Speaker 2: who should have statues Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan, Larry Bird.

2330
01:43:25,960 --> 01:43:28,280
Speaker 4: But like game on the line, who do you want

2331
01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:28,479
Speaker 4: to take?

2332
01:43:28,640 --> 01:43:29,080
Speaker 1: Were so?

2333
01:43:29,360 --> 01:43:33,240
Speaker 2: They were animals, they were killers. They want you know,

2334
01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:34,400
Speaker 2: they were killers.

2335
01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:37,280
Speaker 8: Who would you least out of that three? Like to

2336
01:43:37,320 --> 01:43:40,400
Speaker 8: have taken the last shot? Kobe, no question.

2337
01:43:40,479 --> 01:43:44,519
Speaker 5: But at the same time, like the greatest basketball player

2338
01:43:44,520 --> 01:43:46,599
Speaker 5: of all time? But why five time NBA?

2339
01:43:46,840 --> 01:43:48,200
Speaker 2: Why were they so great?

2340
01:43:49,040 --> 01:43:50,439
Speaker 5: Because because they were damn good.

2341
01:43:50,520 --> 01:43:52,880
Speaker 2: They were damn good. But they were so damn good

2342
01:43:52,920 --> 01:43:54,840
Speaker 2: because part of part of the reason they were so

2343
01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:59,439
Speaker 2: damn good was their mentality. They just freaking hated to lose.

2344
01:43:59,640 --> 01:44:00,360
Speaker 2: I agree with that.

2345
01:44:00,520 --> 01:44:02,960
Speaker 9: I agree with that everyone sucks, but me, I mean,

2346
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:04,760
Speaker 9: I agree with that that's a good thing to bring

2347
01:44:04,840 --> 01:44:06,360
Speaker 9: up Fred like, because that's a Brady thing.

2348
01:44:06,439 --> 01:44:08,639
Speaker 4: Like these guys who are so competitive it's annoying.

2349
01:44:08,680 --> 01:44:11,680
Speaker 9: And I wonder across the NFL if all quarterbacks are

2350
01:44:11,720 --> 01:44:13,760
Speaker 9: like that or only like the truly, because I think

2351
01:44:13,800 --> 01:44:18,160
Speaker 9: most NFL players are almost annoyingly competitive. But Brady, can

2352
01:44:18,160 --> 01:44:20,360
Speaker 9: we just play Ping Pong Tom without you storming out

2353
01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:22,639
Speaker 9: because you lost the point? You'd like that kind of guy.

2354
01:44:23,360 --> 01:44:25,920
Speaker 9: It's another fascinating part of this whole Clutch story because

2355
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:28,400
Speaker 9: I feel like that competitiveness. But again, like in the NFL,

2356
01:44:28,520 --> 01:44:31,160
Speaker 9: everybody's competitive, but guys like Brady are even more.

2357
01:44:32,120 --> 01:44:32,799
Speaker 2: There's levels.

2358
01:44:33,160 --> 01:44:35,200
Speaker 5: I don't think that there's a lot of guys in

2359
01:44:35,400 --> 01:44:38,680
Speaker 5: today's NFL that are like Brady. I think Mahomes is

2360
01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:41,640
Speaker 5: the closest one. But I think that that for Mahomes

2361
01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:45,000
Speaker 5: developed like I think Mahomes is that now. I don't

2362
01:44:45,040 --> 01:44:47,559
Speaker 5: think that Mahomes was I think Mahomes was just awesome.

2363
01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:49,960
Speaker 5: Like I don't think Mahomes when he lost to Brady

2364
01:44:49,960 --> 01:44:53,320
Speaker 5: in the AFC championship game was the thing that we're describing.

2365
01:44:53,360 --> 01:44:55,439
Speaker 5: I think he was just damn good. Like now, I

2366
01:44:55,479 --> 01:44:57,639
Speaker 5: think he's more like that. But we just talked about

2367
01:44:57,760 --> 01:45:00,439
Speaker 5: Justin Herbert. I don't know if Lamar Jackson like that.

2368
01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:02,960
Speaker 5: I don't know if Josh Allen's.

2369
01:45:02,680 --> 01:45:06,519
Speaker 8: I think Josh Allen has it, but I definitely think

2370
01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:09,639
Speaker 8: that the Justin Herbert thing that we're talking about, he doesn't.

2371
01:45:09,800 --> 01:45:13,680
Speaker 8: And I really like Justin Herbert a lot, but I

2372
01:45:13,720 --> 01:45:16,280
Speaker 8: don't think it bothers him the way it would bother

2373
01:45:16,360 --> 01:45:17,400
Speaker 8: Brady to lose a game.

2374
01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:21,519
Speaker 5: And we're talking about you know, those three guys, Lamar, Alan,

2375
01:45:21,840 --> 01:45:25,360
Speaker 5: Herbert along with Mahomes like that's probably in Burrow are

2376
01:45:25,360 --> 01:45:27,920
Speaker 5: probably the top five quarterbacks in the league, and three

2377
01:45:27,920 --> 01:45:29,439
Speaker 5: out of five of them at least. I think Burrow

2378
01:45:29,479 --> 01:45:30,320
Speaker 5: probably has a little bit.

2379
01:45:30,400 --> 01:45:32,960
Speaker 8: Burrow has it, no question, Yeah, I believe that, but

2380
01:45:33,160 --> 01:45:35,720
Speaker 8: like that's I don't know if those guys exist. But

2381
01:45:36,160 --> 01:45:38,880
Speaker 8: I like you Lamar Jackson and Herbert because I think

2382
01:45:38,920 --> 01:45:41,040
Speaker 8: those two guys, I mean, you know, Allen needs to

2383
01:45:41,080 --> 01:45:42,960
Speaker 8: be in that conversation too. I just feel like I've

2384
01:45:42,960 --> 01:45:46,080
Speaker 8: seen Alan bring his team back enough to know that,

2385
01:45:46,240 --> 01:45:48,599
Speaker 8: you know, like Sometimes you can lose and be as

2386
01:45:48,600 --> 01:45:50,800
Speaker 8: clutch as you can possibly be, Like that divisional round

2387
01:45:50,840 --> 01:45:53,120
Speaker 8: game a few years ago, when three times in the

2388
01:45:53,200 --> 01:45:55,720
Speaker 8: last two minutes he's scoring touchdowns, still lost the game.

2389
01:45:55,760 --> 01:45:58,000
Speaker 9: Most guys all lose to Patrick Mahomes, just like you

2390
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:01,760
Speaker 9: know Philip Rivers, who how competitive was he couldn't get

2391
01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:04,000
Speaker 9: past Tom Brady you know in a game that count

2392
01:46:04,000 --> 01:46:07,400
Speaker 9: it No, it's it's.

2393
01:46:06,800 --> 01:46:09,559
Speaker 2: So you know, it's that combination of the mentality to

2394
01:46:09,680 --> 01:46:12,479
Speaker 2: want it and the skill to be able to do it.

2395
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:16,439
Speaker 2: And you have both, you become great.

2396
01:46:16,600 --> 01:46:18,599
Speaker 5: I just think that the skill has to come before

2397
01:46:18,880 --> 01:46:21,160
Speaker 5: the clutch. Well it's okay, that's what he has the skill,

2398
01:46:21,320 --> 01:46:24,200
Speaker 5: but he has the skill, I don't know, but like

2399
01:46:24,720 --> 01:46:25,479
Speaker 5: the whole thing.

2400
01:46:25,680 --> 01:46:28,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's yeah, and that's what that's and that's that's

2401
01:46:29,080 --> 01:46:30,280
Speaker 9: that's where we are.

2402
01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:33,439
Speaker 5: And you know that I'm talking this much about clutches making.

2403
01:46:35,960 --> 01:46:41,400
Speaker 2: You don't believe. But there is that special it that

2404
01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:42,720
Speaker 2: you can't quantify.

2405
01:46:43,040 --> 01:46:45,360
Speaker 9: Is this like momentum. Clutch and momentum those are yeah,

2406
01:46:45,840 --> 01:46:46,479
Speaker 9: of go hand in hand.

2407
01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:48,160
Speaker 2: Momentum A lot of people.

2408
01:46:47,880 --> 01:46:50,280
Speaker 8: Will tell you there's no such thing. Momentum is only

2409
01:46:50,320 --> 01:46:54,120
Speaker 8: as good as the next day starting picture like, no, sorry,

2410
01:46:54,120 --> 01:46:56,360
Speaker 8: when the Red Sox won ten in a row, momentum

2411
01:46:56,360 --> 01:46:58,639
Speaker 8: had something to do with that. Yeah, and they've really

2412
01:46:58,680 --> 01:47:02,360
Speaker 8: been you know, not you current stretch. Notwithstanding, they've been

2413
01:47:02,360 --> 01:47:03,160
Speaker 8: pretty good since.

2414
01:47:03,360 --> 01:47:05,560
Speaker 5: You just brought up a game last year in Jacksonville

2415
01:47:05,800 --> 01:47:08,360
Speaker 5: in London where the Patriots were winning that game ten

2416
01:47:08,400 --> 01:47:10,360
Speaker 5: to nothing, and it felt like they were going to

2417
01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:12,120
Speaker 5: win that game going away. Yeah, and then all of

2418
01:47:12,160 --> 01:47:15,360
Speaker 5: a sudden, Jacksonville scored thirty straight points and ran the

2419
01:47:15,400 --> 01:47:18,840
Speaker 5: ball seventeen times down the Patriots' throats and won the game.

2420
01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:22,800
Speaker 5: So that's my side of the street would say, well,

2421
01:47:22,840 --> 01:47:24,040
Speaker 5: where's the momentum there?

2422
01:47:24,479 --> 01:47:26,960
Speaker 8: But no, well that it was a little early in

2423
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:29,439
Speaker 8: the game. They definitely had the momentum after the first quarter.

2424
01:47:29,479 --> 01:47:31,400
Speaker 8: And then you turn the momentum around by throwing a

2425
01:47:31,439 --> 01:47:33,360
Speaker 8: bomb to Brian Thomas over Gonzo.

2426
01:47:33,520 --> 01:47:34,080
Speaker 2: Good player.

2427
01:47:34,600 --> 01:47:35,960
Speaker 5: Now he flipped the momentum.

2428
01:47:36,160 --> 01:47:37,840
Speaker 4: You can't flip momentum pretty quick.

2429
01:47:37,840 --> 01:47:41,280
Speaker 8: But I so here's the thing what I'm talking about.

2430
01:47:41,400 --> 01:47:43,360
Speaker 8: This is kind of what I meant like, it doesn't

2431
01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:47,040
Speaker 8: have to be late in clutch. If that was the

2432
01:47:47,120 --> 01:47:49,680
Speaker 8: two thousand and four Patriots who started off ten to

2433
01:47:49,680 --> 01:47:51,920
Speaker 8: nothing and then they hit him with a hatemake of

2434
01:47:51,960 --> 01:47:53,599
Speaker 8: a bomb, and all of a sudden, it's ten to seven.

2435
01:47:53,680 --> 01:47:55,760
Speaker 8: Tom Brady goes back on the field. That's a big drive.

2436
01:47:56,160 --> 01:47:58,920
Speaker 8: Momentum just changed. They have momentum now even though we're winning,

2437
01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:02,360
Speaker 8: they have momentum. Now that's a clutch drive. Tom Brady

2438
01:48:02,360 --> 01:48:04,559
Speaker 8: goes down the field and says, now you just can

2439
01:48:04,640 --> 01:48:07,280
Speaker 8: leave seven. This game's over again. It's seventeen to seven.

2440
01:48:07,360 --> 01:48:09,120
Speaker 8: I look at Fred and say, that's game.

2441
01:48:10,880 --> 01:48:11,040
Speaker 7: Right.

2442
01:48:11,040 --> 01:48:11,559
Speaker 8: It's true.

2443
01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:12,679
Speaker 2: It's true.

2444
01:48:15,560 --> 01:48:18,760
Speaker 8: Again. I was there, Brady, it's Tom Brady. It's the

2445
01:48:18,760 --> 01:48:20,640
Speaker 8: greatest of all time. But that, to me is a

2446
01:48:20,680 --> 01:48:24,000
Speaker 8: clutch drive. It was the second quarter, meaning was the

2447
01:48:24,040 --> 01:48:26,920
Speaker 8: Patriots went three and out. Now that's what happens when

2448
01:48:26,960 --> 01:48:29,320
Speaker 8: you were losing team too. I mean the Patriots were

2449
01:48:29,320 --> 01:48:31,960
Speaker 8: fourteen and two, the best team in football, had won

2450
01:48:32,040 --> 01:48:35,519
Speaker 8: two titles. You know, well there's a huge difference here.

2451
01:48:35,560 --> 01:48:37,720
Speaker 9: But that's what Well, that's where I was going to go,

2452
01:48:37,800 --> 01:48:39,200
Speaker 9: is that even though you're up ten nothing in the game,

2453
01:48:39,240 --> 01:48:41,799
Speaker 9: the overall moment in the season is like in the gutter,

2454
01:48:41,920 --> 01:48:44,320
Speaker 9: and the second you get a little blip and then.

2455
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:48,400
Speaker 8: The team we're looking to pick, you know, pack our

2456
01:48:48,439 --> 01:48:50,799
Speaker 8: tents up and go home and leave because we're ready

2457
01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:52,720
Speaker 8: to lose, because that's what we've done all year.

2458
01:48:53,040 --> 01:48:54,040
Speaker 4: I just send us home.

2459
01:48:54,160 --> 01:48:57,479
Speaker 5: I can already kind of see this happening with Drake May,

2460
01:48:57,840 --> 01:48:59,639
Speaker 5: and I see it happen all the time with my

2461
01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:03,920
Speaker 5: guy Jason Tatum. Get better and like these modern athletes,

2462
01:49:03,960 --> 01:49:06,000
Speaker 5: like I don't know if they're wired like.

2463
01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:11,800
Speaker 8: That, doesn't bother. The absolutely drives people here in this

2464
01:49:11,880 --> 01:49:15,320
Speaker 8: market crazy because we are wired like that from all

2465
01:49:15,400 --> 01:49:19,000
Speaker 8: of our you know, sports fandoms when we were growing

2466
01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:21,720
Speaker 8: up and stuff, and I just I don't know if

2467
01:49:21,760 --> 01:49:24,200
Speaker 8: this generation of athlete is like that.

2468
01:49:24,400 --> 01:49:26,720
Speaker 5: And Tatum gets dragged for it all the time that

2469
01:49:26,760 --> 01:49:29,759
Speaker 5: he does clutching up, he doesn't make the final shot,

2470
01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:32,320
Speaker 5: he doesn't this, he doesn't that, and yet he's a

2471
01:49:32,320 --> 01:49:34,760
Speaker 5: top five player in the league and an NBA champion, So.

2472
01:49:36,520 --> 01:49:39,960
Speaker 8: Right, but not the greatest You had to do that,

2473
01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:43,000
Speaker 8: But that's true. That that's what because I don't think

2474
01:49:43,000 --> 01:49:45,240
Speaker 8: anybody would argue that Jason Tatum is not a great

2475
01:49:45,280 --> 01:49:46,160
Speaker 8: basketball player.

2476
01:49:46,360 --> 01:49:49,160
Speaker 5: Right, but when we talk about Jason Tatum and I

2477
01:49:49,160 --> 01:49:52,200
Speaker 5: feel us going in this direction with Drake May, that

2478
01:49:52,320 --> 01:49:54,519
Speaker 5: we're going to talk. Well, he's got all the talent

2479
01:49:54,600 --> 01:49:58,439
Speaker 5: in the world, he's unbelievable. He just don't feel he

2480
01:49:58,560 --> 01:50:00,679
Speaker 5: just don't feel great about it at the end of games.

2481
01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:03,920
Speaker 5: And that's that's the Tatum treatment. And so it's just like,

2482
01:50:04,720 --> 01:50:06,839
Speaker 5: is that, you know, maybe we just need to adjust,

2483
01:50:07,600 --> 01:50:09,960
Speaker 5: Like I don't know if we're going to see Brady

2484
01:50:10,280 --> 01:50:13,479
Speaker 5: or Tea's bird like those types of point.

2485
01:50:13,520 --> 01:50:16,080
Speaker 8: Maybe he gets to the point where he's playing so

2486
01:50:16,200 --> 01:50:18,439
Speaker 8: well and so productive that the end of the game

2487
01:50:18,479 --> 01:50:21,080
Speaker 8: isn't as important because they have they have the lead

2488
01:50:21,120 --> 01:50:24,120
Speaker 8: in these games, and I don't need them to be I.

2489
01:50:24,360 --> 01:50:26,920
Speaker 2: Will, I will forever believe it's a thing.

2490
01:50:27,360 --> 01:50:27,880
Speaker 8: It's a thing.

2491
01:50:28,040 --> 01:50:28,479
Speaker 2: It's a thing.

2492
01:50:28,640 --> 01:50:31,720
Speaker 8: I definitely think. I think you can actually see it.

2493
01:50:31,800 --> 01:50:35,840
Speaker 8: Sometimes you can see guys visibly playing differently, you know,

2494
01:50:36,320 --> 01:50:39,840
Speaker 8: or maybe they and.

2495
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:45,000
Speaker 5: Everybody else chokes. That's how I look at it. I

2496
01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:48,599
Speaker 5: think Brady stays the same, and I think everybody else

2497
01:50:48,640 --> 01:50:52,439
Speaker 5: shrinks because the moments too big for them, whereas he

2498
01:50:52,479 --> 01:50:55,240
Speaker 5: plays the exact same way when it's the Super Bowl.

2499
01:50:57,000 --> 01:51:02,599
Speaker 2: Like again, I I hate to always lean on the greatest,

2500
01:51:02,600 --> 01:51:06,639
Speaker 2: but when you watch that Celtic City documentary, Larry Bird

2501
01:51:07,040 --> 01:51:08,599
Speaker 2: comes out and says, at the end of the game,

2502
01:51:08,680 --> 01:51:11,639
Speaker 2: I want the ball because I worked harder than everybody else,

2503
01:51:11,680 --> 01:51:12,519
Speaker 2: and I know I did.

2504
01:51:12,600 --> 01:51:14,240
Speaker 8: I hated that line though, I remember that.

2505
01:51:14,439 --> 01:51:17,360
Speaker 2: I know, I know, but like that's the way he felt,

2506
01:51:17,400 --> 01:51:20,120
Speaker 2: like I put in more work than all these other guys.

2507
01:51:20,680 --> 01:51:23,920
Speaker 2: I want the ball. And we know that.

2508
01:51:23,920 --> 01:51:25,880
Speaker 8: That's back how we started this whole thing when Due said,

2509
01:51:25,880 --> 01:51:26,800
Speaker 8: you know he was more.

2510
01:51:26,800 --> 01:51:30,599
Speaker 2: Prepared, right, and you know, we know how he felt

2511
01:51:30,600 --> 01:51:34,920
Speaker 2: about Michale, that Mikale's talent was maybe more than Birds,

2512
01:51:34,960 --> 01:51:38,160
Speaker 2: and Bird thought like he didn't always give a hundred

2513
01:51:38,360 --> 01:51:41,640
Speaker 2: you know, I think it's true. Doesn't mean he was right,

2514
01:51:41,920 --> 01:51:44,080
Speaker 2: Celtic doesn't mean he was right, but that's how we felt.

2515
01:51:44,320 --> 01:51:46,280
Speaker 8: And because he was a mania that bothered me. Was

2516
01:51:46,840 --> 01:51:48,720
Speaker 8: one of the few things about Bird that bothered me.

2517
01:51:49,360 --> 01:51:52,760
Speaker 5: I just look at like one of the Boston athletes

2518
01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:57,800
Speaker 5: that are this generation, you know, Tatum, even David Posternoch

2519
01:51:57,840 --> 01:51:59,679
Speaker 5: with the Bruins, And now I feel like it's starting

2520
01:51:59,720 --> 01:52:02,040
Speaker 5: to happen and with Drake May and like we all

2521
01:52:02,280 --> 01:52:05,840
Speaker 5: just might need to let go of like the athletes

2522
01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:11,400
Speaker 5: that literally the killers, the Jordans.

2523
01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:14,320
Speaker 8: I'll give you. I'll give you one enough that I

2524
01:52:14,360 --> 01:52:16,880
Speaker 8: think is unfair, and it happens on my shows all

2525
01:52:16,880 --> 01:52:19,160
Speaker 8: the time, especially with Mike and TONI. It's like this

2526
01:52:19,240 --> 01:52:24,600
Speaker 8: whole notion that you stink if you don't win titles, right, Like,

2527
01:52:24,680 --> 01:52:29,120
Speaker 8: that's not the only gauge of a great player, you know.

2528
01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:32,479
Speaker 8: Not everybody can win the championship every year. And I

2529
01:52:32,640 --> 01:52:35,200
Speaker 8: just feel like there's too much of that now, Like,

2530
01:52:35,240 --> 01:52:39,240
Speaker 8: but Woulds he ever won? Okay, he never won it all,

2531
01:52:39,320 --> 01:52:40,760
Speaker 8: so I guess I can't say that he was a

2532
01:52:40,800 --> 01:52:41,559
Speaker 8: really good player.

2533
01:52:41,720 --> 01:52:45,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's was spoiled. I mean back in the day,

2534
01:52:45,320 --> 01:52:47,600
Speaker 2: you know, But that's my pointed. Williams was one of

2535
01:52:47,640 --> 01:52:49,840
Speaker 2: the greatest, but he never won anything. But we were okay

2536
01:52:49,880 --> 01:52:52,559
Speaker 2: with that because we had never won anything. Now it's

2537
01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:54,000
Speaker 2: all different exactly.

2538
01:52:54,040 --> 01:52:56,759
Speaker 8: You know. I just think this era is different in general,

2539
01:52:56,880 --> 01:52:59,200
Speaker 8: not just around here. But that's the way we look

2540
01:52:59,240 --> 01:53:01,679
Speaker 8: at these these athletes are you know, you can only

2541
01:53:01,720 --> 01:53:03,479
Speaker 8: be so good if you've never won any if you

2542
01:53:03,560 --> 01:53:04,240
Speaker 8: never want it all.

2543
01:53:04,880 --> 01:53:06,760
Speaker 9: And yeah, that's another reason why I kind of like

2544
01:53:06,800 --> 01:53:10,000
Speaker 9: my veree, because I think he has that kind of

2545
01:53:10,040 --> 01:53:13,240
Speaker 9: mentality that hates to lose and makes them sick and

2546
01:53:13,360 --> 01:53:16,880
Speaker 9: hopefully that disseminates itself into the team's personality that they

2547
01:53:17,200 --> 01:53:17,840
Speaker 9: will match that.

2548
01:53:17,960 --> 01:53:20,439
Speaker 2: Risell said, you know, losing kind of throw up in

2549
01:53:20,439 --> 01:53:22,200
Speaker 2: your mouth, like you just can't buy.

2550
01:53:22,479 --> 01:53:25,120
Speaker 9: Someone said, like, losing feels worse than winning feels good,

2551
01:53:25,120 --> 01:53:26,240
Speaker 9: and that always spoke.

2552
01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:26,720
Speaker 4: To me so much.

2553
01:53:27,160 --> 01:53:28,519
Speaker 2: I think sometimes that's true.

2554
01:53:29,040 --> 01:53:30,120
Speaker 8: I think a lot of people fell.

2555
01:53:30,640 --> 01:53:33,160
Speaker 9: Yeah, like winning feels like you just checked a box

2556
01:53:33,200 --> 01:53:34,200
Speaker 9: and did what you were supposed to do.

2557
01:53:34,280 --> 01:53:36,200
Speaker 2: Apecially, when you're the guy that looked at the third

2558
01:53:36,200 --> 01:53:37,160
Speaker 2: strike and they all star.

2559
01:53:37,360 --> 01:53:39,280
Speaker 8: Oh, Freddy, it's okay.

2560
01:53:39,600 --> 01:53:41,519
Speaker 2: I'll never get over it. I'll never get over it.

2561
01:53:42,360 --> 01:53:45,280
Speaker 8: Or fred off your shoulder. Well, you were in the

2562
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:46,280
Speaker 8: All Star game.

2563
01:53:46,400 --> 01:53:49,040
Speaker 2: Right, he got my participation trophy.

2564
01:53:49,240 --> 01:53:50,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, the scouts are like that.

2565
01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:51,360
Speaker 2: Not this guy.

2566
01:53:51,479 --> 01:53:52,519
Speaker 4: He got it much.

2567
01:53:52,520 --> 01:53:56,600
Speaker 2: All right, let's wrap up someth Christians in La what

2568
01:53:56,800 --> 01:53:58,960
Speaker 2: nonsense today?

2569
01:54:00,200 --> 01:54:01,960
Speaker 22: He ain't gonna have to do, eykay. First of all,

2570
01:54:03,200 --> 01:54:06,360
Speaker 22: let's be clap back at mister Kyle from LA. It's

2571
01:54:06,520 --> 01:54:09,719
Speaker 22: Christian in La, not Christen from LA. I never claimed

2572
01:54:09,720 --> 01:54:12,040
Speaker 22: he from LA. I'm from the East coast, the least ship, right.

2573
01:54:13,320 --> 01:54:15,160
Speaker 2: You've never claimed to be from La. Yep?

2574
01:54:15,720 --> 01:54:18,599
Speaker 22: No, I'm from the East Coast, like everybody knows. Secondly,

2575
01:54:18,840 --> 01:54:20,679
Speaker 22: I was going to kind of get after you guys

2576
01:54:20,680 --> 01:54:22,920
Speaker 22: for coddling Drake May, but you guys have had some

2577
01:54:23,000 --> 01:54:27,760
Speaker 22: really adequate criticism of him. The only thing I would

2578
01:54:27,760 --> 01:54:32,440
Speaker 22: add is added to seem to be really nonchalant. You know,

2579
01:54:32,480 --> 01:54:35,280
Speaker 22: even though he answers questions before he answers, he just

2580
01:54:35,280 --> 01:54:37,960
Speaker 22: doesn't seem to have that sense of urgency to like

2581
01:54:38,560 --> 01:54:41,360
Speaker 22: prove something. And I don't know if it's like if

2582
01:54:41,360 --> 01:54:43,560
Speaker 22: it's Josh at practice, something that's houlding him back from

2583
01:54:43,600 --> 01:54:46,040
Speaker 22: cutting it loose at practice. But I'm not hearing you

2584
01:54:46,080 --> 01:54:48,920
Speaker 22: guys talk about him making these great throws at practice,

2585
01:54:49,200 --> 01:54:51,960
Speaker 22: are really going down field and trying to really cut

2586
01:54:52,000 --> 01:54:53,920
Speaker 22: it loose in the practice of I don't know if

2587
01:54:53,920 --> 01:54:56,320
Speaker 22: you just puts to turn it on when the season starts,

2588
01:54:56,360 --> 01:54:58,560
Speaker 22: but I'm I'm kind of a myth there. And lastly,

2589
01:54:59,680 --> 01:55:03,839
Speaker 22: Crazy and Michael Parsons are officially really now on the market.

2590
01:55:04,760 --> 01:55:07,920
Speaker 22: I'm thinking that the Elliott will about bombsayl Sports in

2591
01:55:07,960 --> 01:55:10,240
Speaker 22: the state, He's going to go after him. Would you

2592
01:55:10,360 --> 01:55:14,080
Speaker 22: do you guys think something like Anthony Jennings, Kyle Dugger

2593
01:55:14,120 --> 01:55:17,200
Speaker 22: and a third Hendrickson and then just straight out at

2594
01:55:17,240 --> 01:55:20,040
Speaker 22: first round pick for Michael Parton. Thank you guys, take

2595
01:55:20,120 --> 01:55:21,480
Speaker 22: up the hair, all right?

2596
01:55:21,520 --> 01:55:23,760
Speaker 2: Thanks? Yeah, we talked about that on the top of

2597
01:55:23,800 --> 01:55:26,600
Speaker 2: the show. Uh, neither one of those the Bengals want

2598
01:55:26,640 --> 01:55:28,280
Speaker 2: a first round pick, and I don't think those two

2599
01:55:28,320 --> 01:55:30,560
Speaker 2: guys make up for not getting a first round pick.

2600
01:55:30,760 --> 01:55:33,160
Speaker 5: Now, we were talking about this out of practice, like

2601
01:55:33,400 --> 01:55:37,160
Speaker 5: just throwing Anthony Jennings and Kyle Dugger into these trades,

2602
01:55:37,400 --> 01:55:39,400
Speaker 5: like these are the players the Patriots don't want.

2603
01:55:39,800 --> 01:55:42,680
Speaker 8: So now the banks four and thirteen Patriots don't have

2604
01:55:42,760 --> 01:55:45,600
Speaker 8: a home for you, and that's gonna get in Trey Hendrickson.

2605
01:55:45,600 --> 01:55:49,040
Speaker 5: Now I think for Trey Hendrickson, like could you maybe

2606
01:55:49,080 --> 01:55:53,280
Speaker 5: get him for like Kean White and some draft capital?

2607
01:55:53,880 --> 01:55:56,520
Speaker 8: Like maybe I threw out your Marcus Jones too. Earlier

2608
01:55:56,560 --> 01:55:58,920
Speaker 8: I was talking about our conversation about but just throwing

2609
01:55:58,960 --> 01:56:03,480
Speaker 8: them defenses. The secondary was really bad last year.

2610
01:56:03,520 --> 01:56:06,440
Speaker 2: Maybe they like Marcus value and I want to get

2611
01:56:06,440 --> 01:56:08,200
Speaker 2: I want to get to Willhem and Phillim.

2612
01:56:08,200 --> 01:56:10,480
Speaker 8: And one first round pick for Michael Marsons is going.

2613
01:56:10,360 --> 01:56:13,920
Speaker 2: To get there. I was thinking, you know what the

2614
01:56:13,960 --> 01:56:16,440
Speaker 2: thing I was posing when it comes to Hendrickson, is

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01:56:17,000 --> 01:56:18,440
Speaker 2: who are you going to if you give up that

2616
01:56:18,480 --> 01:56:20,280
Speaker 2: first round pick? Who are you going to get that's

2617
01:56:20,320 --> 01:56:22,480
Speaker 2: going to be better for the next four years?

2618
01:56:23,760 --> 01:56:28,360
Speaker 5: I think he I mean he's already over thirty, right right, Yeah? Yeah,

2619
01:56:28,360 --> 01:56:31,280
Speaker 5: but no, I yeah, I'm not worried so much about

2620
01:56:32,280 --> 01:56:34,400
Speaker 5: about the draft pick. I think you're going to have

2621
01:56:34,400 --> 01:56:36,440
Speaker 5: to give up a much better player than Duggar or

2622
01:56:36,480 --> 01:56:37,280
Speaker 5: Anthony Jennings.

2623
01:56:37,280 --> 01:56:40,480
Speaker 2: Oh no, absolutely, Like, but I worried about the draft pick.

2624
01:56:40,480 --> 01:56:42,920
Speaker 2: I mean, we're going to need draft picks. We're still

2625
01:56:42,920 --> 01:56:43,640
Speaker 2: a building team.

2626
01:56:43,760 --> 01:56:45,800
Speaker 8: So but you could probably get him for a first

2627
01:56:45,800 --> 01:56:47,080
Speaker 8: if he wanted to do that. You wouldn't have to

2628
01:56:47,080 --> 01:56:50,040
Speaker 8: worry about it. The veterans. Yeah, I mean, obviously we

2629
01:56:50,120 --> 01:56:51,760
Speaker 8: want to give up the veterans that we don't want.

2630
01:56:51,960 --> 01:56:56,320
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah. So okay, so you would give up

2631
01:56:56,360 --> 01:56:58,080
Speaker 2: a first even for Hendrickson.

2632
01:56:58,200 --> 01:57:00,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, No, I don't think I would because I don't

2633
01:57:00,200 --> 01:57:01,840
Speaker 8: think they're close enough to make that trade.

2634
01:57:01,840 --> 01:57:03,520
Speaker 5: I'll give up a second and Keon.

2635
01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:07,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, Keon, if you knew that your first was

2636
01:57:07,040 --> 01:57:09,920
Speaker 2: going to be lower half of the first round, because

2637
01:57:10,240 --> 01:57:14,440
Speaker 2: Hendrickson gives you eleven wins, this year, would you do it?

2638
01:57:14,680 --> 01:57:16,440
Speaker 8: Well, I thought I was gonna win eleven games, then

2639
01:57:16,440 --> 01:57:18,040
Speaker 8: I would make the deal for a first round pick.

2640
01:57:18,200 --> 01:57:21,440
Speaker 5: I feel like that's sort of where where I'm coming

2641
01:57:21,440 --> 01:57:23,400
Speaker 5: from with not caring about the pick as much, because

2642
01:57:23,400 --> 01:57:26,200
Speaker 5: I they're not at Hendrickson away from winning the super Bowl,

2643
01:57:26,440 --> 01:57:28,200
Speaker 5: but they might be a Trey Henderson away from being

2644
01:57:28,240 --> 01:57:31,280
Speaker 5: a playoff team. And then you're talking about nine, ten,

2645
01:57:31,360 --> 01:57:33,560
Speaker 5: eleven wins and you're not picking in the top ten.

2646
01:57:33,600 --> 01:57:35,040
Speaker 2: And I'm in, okay.

2647
01:57:35,160 --> 01:57:37,080
Speaker 8: If you guys think that Trey Henderson makes them an

2648
01:57:37,080 --> 01:57:38,800
Speaker 8: eleven win team, I'm in okay.

2649
01:57:38,880 --> 01:57:41,320
Speaker 5: I mean most people are picking them to be above five.

2650
01:57:41,360 --> 01:57:42,960
Speaker 8: Well that I know, Yeah, I know.

2651
01:57:44,400 --> 01:57:45,240
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, all.

2652
01:57:45,160 --> 01:57:47,680
Speaker 2: Right, Willem and Phillim, you've held on patiently, Thanks for

2653
01:57:47,760 --> 01:57:51,280
Speaker 2: doing that. What's up? How you doing good?

2654
01:57:52,360 --> 01:57:53,400
Speaker 14: Okay, it's going on.

2655
01:57:54,520 --> 01:57:55,800
Speaker 2: We're doing all right. How you doing?

2656
01:57:56,760 --> 01:57:59,160
Speaker 6: Okay? I'm off to day So I got down to

2657
01:57:59,200 --> 01:58:01,400
Speaker 6: talk just but I know, because I about to be off.

2658
01:58:01,240 --> 01:58:05,200
Speaker 22: The ear, you can keep up.

2659
01:58:05,480 --> 01:58:07,800
Speaker 6: Look, I get the hype aboutism and all that def

2660
01:58:07,800 --> 01:58:11,840
Speaker 6: and Chism went off. Yeah, he gets open. He might

2661
01:58:11,880 --> 01:58:14,480
Speaker 6: be familiar with Josh mcdamn's scheme and all that, so

2662
01:58:14,560 --> 01:58:17,280
Speaker 6: I can seehere that benefits him. It, but you knew

2663
01:58:17,280 --> 01:58:19,640
Speaker 6: what I wanted to see. I want to see Kyle Williams.

2664
01:58:20,080 --> 01:58:23,000
Speaker 6: But unfortunately Dobbs just crushed my god damn dream when

2665
01:58:23,040 --> 01:58:24,920
Speaker 6: you spent him into that plate and got his head

2666
01:58:25,000 --> 01:58:25,520
Speaker 6: knocked off.

2667
01:58:25,680 --> 01:58:29,480
Speaker 2: God damn right, I hear you.

2668
01:58:29,600 --> 01:58:31,240
Speaker 6: That's all that's all to say.

2669
01:58:31,800 --> 01:58:34,160
Speaker 2: All right, thanks will All right.

2670
01:58:34,240 --> 01:58:36,480
Speaker 5: It was disappointing because I thought I might have to

2671
01:58:36,520 --> 01:58:37,320
Speaker 5: watch that play.

2672
01:58:37,440 --> 01:58:40,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, you guys are describing that you should.

2673
01:58:40,600 --> 01:58:43,360
Speaker 5: And I thought that he was building the right I

2674
01:58:43,360 --> 01:58:46,720
Speaker 5: thought he was getting open and ball was actually finding him,

2675
01:58:47,080 --> 01:58:48,760
Speaker 5: and I think he was going to have a pretty

2676
01:58:48,760 --> 01:58:49,200
Speaker 5: good game.

2677
01:58:49,440 --> 01:58:54,560
Speaker 2: And then yeah, yeah, yeah, that is. That's the frustrating

2678
01:58:54,560 --> 01:58:56,440
Speaker 2: thing about football as injuries. It is.

2679
01:58:56,560 --> 01:58:59,200
Speaker 9: And I think he's such an X factor for this offense.

2680
01:58:59,200 --> 01:59:01,600
Speaker 9: If it's able to click for him and mesh him

2681
01:59:01,600 --> 01:59:03,920
Speaker 9: into that passing offense, he could make a real difference

2682
01:59:03,920 --> 01:59:04,240
Speaker 9: for them.

2683
01:59:04,520 --> 01:59:08,160
Speaker 2: All right, Listen. I thought it was a lively discussion,

2684
01:59:08,280 --> 01:59:12,280
Speaker 2: especially when we got to the clutch part. We we

2685
01:59:12,800 --> 01:59:15,840
Speaker 2: determined that Evan is all washed up when it comes

2686
01:59:15,880 --> 01:59:19,120
Speaker 2: to that discussion. Yes, you don't know what clutches.

2687
01:59:19,080 --> 01:59:21,400
Speaker 5: Let's just get let's let's build.

2688
01:59:21,720 --> 01:59:24,520
Speaker 2: I'm I'm only I'm only kidding.

2689
01:59:24,520 --> 01:59:25,800
Speaker 4: Could you have a car with a clutch?

2690
01:59:26,160 --> 01:59:27,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't, actually.

2691
01:59:27,640 --> 01:59:30,160
Speaker 2: Which is more than most people your age.

2692
01:59:30,320 --> 01:59:31,520
Speaker 8: I've never, I've never tried.

2693
01:59:31,840 --> 01:59:32,040
Speaker 10: Never.

2694
01:59:32,760 --> 01:59:33,640
Speaker 2: That's how I learned.

2695
01:59:34,320 --> 01:59:36,280
Speaker 5: It's a rare thing for somebody my age.

2696
01:59:36,640 --> 01:59:39,040
Speaker 2: Do that. Absolutely, it is good for you, all right.

2697
01:59:39,080 --> 01:59:41,120
Speaker 8: But they still make those clutch.

2698
01:59:40,920 --> 01:59:44,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, a lot of work cars shifters.

2699
01:59:45,000 --> 01:59:48,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, that's going to be it for this

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01:59:48,600 --> 01:59:54,360
Speaker 2: edition of Patriots Unfiltered. We're going to be in uh well,

2701
01:59:54,400 --> 01:59:58,480
Speaker 2: I'm going to be in uh Jersey on Thursday, So

2702
01:59:58,560 --> 01:59:59,880
Speaker 2: you guys are going to hold down the four.

2703
02:00:00,360 --> 02:00:04,920
Speaker 8: The pregame show as six forty five, six forty five,

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Speaker 8: six forty.

2705
02:00:05,600 --> 02:00:07,760
Speaker 3: Five, okay, Hot hour, one Hot hour.

2706
02:00:07,640 --> 02:00:10,480
Speaker 2: And Claudia will be back Claudia, so we'll be back

2707
02:00:10,520 --> 02:00:15,240
Speaker 2: in my seat. So look forward to that. All right,

2708
02:00:15,520 --> 02:00:17,960
Speaker 2: thanks for listening. I will see you next week. These

2709
02:00:17,960 --> 02:00:20,200
Speaker 2: guys will see you on Thursday.

2710
02:00:21,680 --> 02:00:23,840
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