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Speaker 2: Able to do that? That isn't that's legendary. That's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: I'm proud of that one. I need that one. That

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Speaker 2: one was good. The backstory on that one is funny

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Speaker 2: because originally I'm trying to buy a newspaper ad. They

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Speaker 2: say it's one hundred thousand dollars just to put a

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Speaker 2: longer ago, but you're right, it shouldn't have been that much.

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Speaker 2: But we were looking for estimates and uh, the Cleveland

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Speaker 2: plane dealer, because Lebron was coming back home, refused to

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Speaker 2: They refused our business. Uh, and so we needed an alternative.

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Speaker 2: And it turns out that Akron billboards are like much

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Speaker 2: lot of money. And it was like eleven or six

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Speaker 2: Acron I don't remember how many Acron billboards and they

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Speaker 2: all said, yes, Uh, you're welcome, Lebron love Miami is

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Speaker 2: what they said. And I was going to fly a

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Speaker 2: was set up. I had the banner and everything. It

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Speaker 2: was set up. I will tell you a secret. I'll

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Speaker 2: ESPN made me immediately take down the billboards and they

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Speaker 2: immediately told me you can't fly that plane. And so

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Speaker 2: I got a I got a call from a high

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, you can't do that, you can't, you

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna have plause deniabilities that somebody else fly

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Speaker 2: the plane. It's gonna look like an action.

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Speaker 1: Whoever was talking about flying that plane was probably willing

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Speaker 2: It was a dark cloud. It was for a while.

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Speaker 1: We went in a funk for a while when we

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Speaker 1: that's just natural. It was a little dark cloud. It

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Speaker 3: Talk about that though, So you're in the you're in

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Speaker 3: obviously the media uproar when bron chose to come here,

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Speaker 3: and then when bron chooses to leave here. So talk

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Speaker 3: about Yeah, talk about the highs and lows of on

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Speaker 3: your side, what you're hearing, what you're seeing, what's going

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Speaker 2: I mean, I was just profoundly grateful for all of it.

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Speaker 2: It was just a it's a content bonanza. You're coming

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Speaker 2: down to our city and you're making us like this

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Speaker 2: just electrical pulsating thing for Paul millsaps Game seventeen, and

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Speaker 2: you're like watching this thing that matters so much to

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Speaker 2: the city because it's very much Miami against the United States.

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Speaker 2: The only other time it's been like that was University

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Speaker 2: of Miami football teams that make him stop being a

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Speaker 2: Gator for a second, you know, like those because what

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Speaker 2: and it was like, yes, this is an ethnic fun

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Speaker 2: team that trample sportsmanship. You guys were that polarizing without

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Speaker 2: knew about that you knew about it, that you knew

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Speaker 2: theme thing coast to coast, and only polarizing because you

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Speaker 1: It would have hear something crazy because you touched on

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Speaker 2: People don't understand that.

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Speaker 1: People think like, once we got that team together that

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Speaker 1: I tell people all the time, nothing about that shit

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Speaker 1: that parade. That's the only part about that shit that

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Speaker 1: We sacrificed time. Mike talked about this before we sacrificed money.

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Speaker 2: Away from your sacrificees meant nothing. That gooing laughter about

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Speaker 1: Only he wants to let me ask you this because

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Speaker 3: I can answer to I think honestly, and I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: I thought it was because step and play with light

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Speaker 2: But also am I wrong? Am I wrong? Well? I

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Speaker 2: I don't need to tell you that arrogant black athlete. However,

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Speaker 2: something before it has been earned is going to be

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Speaker 2: that Dwayne and Lebron throughout all of that, became adult

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Speaker 2: to we need to improve our schools, and became adults

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Speaker 2: in a way that Steph and Clay have not had

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Speaker 2: found that entire time fascinating, captivating for a lot of

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Speaker 2: different reasons. Uh, the brotherhood of Dwayne and Lebron was beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Lebron coming here and taking a little brother role and

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Speaker 2: to learn from Dwayne. It's a it's a beautiful story.

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Speaker 2: If I wrapped that story in the Olympic flag and

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Speaker 2: do you know how much America would love this particular

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Speaker 1: In Liberty City, nine o'clock I'm like Pat by nine third,

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Speaker 2: Came that he would love Dwayne the way that he does,

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Speaker 2: to be next to it, to profit off of it,

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Speaker 1: And that was that's that's what my brother was like,

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Speaker 2: You were on Dwayne Wade's word is what you were on? Dwayne?

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Speaker 2: and this is gonna be fun, right the five of them.

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Speaker 2: So this is gonna be fun. Well, we'll just we'll

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