1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: All media. 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 2: So some things just kind of come from like not 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 2: being a jerk to people and treating them like humans, 4 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 2: whether you know what. 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: They can do for you or not. 6 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 2: Just being a good person, which is how I landed 7 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 2: access to All Star Weekend. So shout out the hommy 8 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 2: BJ who works with some incredible nonprofits, and somehow another 9 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 2: got us into a poker tournament with Kenny the Jet 10 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,959 Speaker 2: and Charles Barkley. So I got to go to All 11 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 2: Star Weekend. Now the problem is All Star Weekend was 12 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 2: also Valentine's Day weekend, so I ain't get to stay 13 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 2: for the game, nor could they give me tickets to that. 14 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 2: But the point is I got to see a lot 15 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 2: of friends. Molski, who's just running it right now? Squint, 16 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 2: who how do I explain Squints? So I did a 17 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 2: book before Terror Form called I Am Becoming and we 18 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 2: did a It was photojournalism and poetry. But every promo 19 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 2: picture I had up until recently, we're pretty much Squint 20 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 2: shot him. Squint works with beast Mode, works for the Warriors, 21 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 2: works with. 22 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: Steph Curry, andre Ward. Squint is. 23 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 2: Like the most He's one of the most humble and 24 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: most talented, the most connected, persons I've ever met. He'll 25 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 2: be like, you need to get in text Steph. I 26 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 2: was like, you want me to text Stephan Curry. Yeah, 27 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 2: He's text him and I'm like, man, you text him. 28 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 2: He's like, bro, he likes you just text him. And 29 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, I'm not gonna. I've never I've never. 30 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 2: He has never handed me his phone numbers, So I 31 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 2: Am not going to tech Stefan Curry. 32 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 3: You can. 33 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: I'm not anyway. 34 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 2: Uh, But what that meant was I was able to 35 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 2: be up in the Bay Area to actually do our 36 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 2: first terror form show and actually set it up like 37 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 2: a video interview with the Quia Bam Bamboo de Pistola 38 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 2: Bamboo Credible rapper part of Soul Assassins, started. 39 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: A label called Beat Rock Music. 40 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 2: I just want to talk about like the like rapper 41 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 2: to activists, pipeline. It's it's an interesting thing because it's 42 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 2: like sometimes rappers get rich and they get and they 43 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 2: just become Kanye's or Elon's or just they just go 44 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 2: that route where it's like I'm rich and nothing else matters. 45 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 2: But then some of us get completely radicalized, like you. 46 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 2: I mean, we just watched the Kendrick and Drake narrative, 47 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 2: like they came up at the same time and then 48 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 2: had this split. Kendrick was like, I'm not with all this. 49 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 2: I want to be this other person. Drake was like, 50 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 2: give it all. He wanted all the money, the cause, 51 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 2: and the clothes he supposed he just wants to be successful. 52 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: That's a Drake song. Anyway, y'all already know where I stand. 53 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 2: But I think I think there's some interesting things about like, 54 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 2: you know, one, the power of hip hop to hip 55 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 2: hop we fell in love with, and then what actually 56 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 2: happens off the mic and the type of activism that 57 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 2: can come from just starting with just you being passionate 58 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 2: about your art. So I happened to be up in 59 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 2: San Francisco. It's just worked out perfectly, and I was 60 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 2: able to tap in with the homie Bambooth. He's been 61 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: on the show before. But like we were still kind 62 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 2: of figure out who we were in. But we're in 63 00:03:51,600 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 2: the game now, all right, here we go, All right, 64 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 2: here we go. Hey, all right, I've already done all the. 65 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: Introduction Wait, am I recording over here? 66 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 2: Yes, I've already done all the introductions before you got here, 67 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 2: So people already know who you are. This is the 68 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 2: first time we've done like an on site, right, say. 69 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 3: Last time we did her politics was over the phone, right, Yeah, 70 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 3: it was a pandemic pandemic time. 71 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, the show's grown a lot. I feel like I. 72 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 2: Found congratulations, thank you man, really found a direction. Like 73 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 2: I feel like, I mean, it's like anything, you have 74 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 2: to do enough of them to really figure out what 75 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 2: you're trying to say. 76 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: And I think what I. 77 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 2: The hope has always been like informative education and then 78 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 2: altimate to see like like the end goal is to 79 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 2: see someone run for city council. That was like that 80 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 2: was a part of like K four P. 81 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. 82 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 2: That was like you know what I mean, that was 83 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 2: one of us that is like actually, let's let's do this, 84 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. 85 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: But there's a. 86 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 2: There's a pipeline of that, right, Like there's a way 87 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 2: to get there that I feel like in some ways, 88 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 2: hip hop, just being as young as it is, has 89 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 2: not we haven't seen those statesmen yet. Like we're in 90 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 2: a season now where a lot of our elder statesmen 91 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 2: are being a little strange. 92 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:23,919 Speaker 3: Sure forgetting where they came from. 93 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 2: Forgetting where they came from. Yeah, it's just some really 94 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 2: odd things. But that being said, one of the questions 95 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 2: I get a lot is like people really wanted to 96 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 2: be involved, people feeling over especially from young artists, and 97 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 2: being like, you know, how do I do more than 98 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 2: just rap? You know what I'm saying, and they're only 99 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 2: hearing it from me? So I know, I know my narrative, 100 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 2: I know how I got to where I was, you 101 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,559 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. But like, I think it started 102 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 2: when I think you you had like posted somewhere that 103 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 2: like somebody had challenged you about like what are you 104 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 2: really doing, and that super resonated with me and was like, Okay, 105 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 2: I really need I need y'all to hear this story, you. 106 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying. 107 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 2: And last year I started doing this thing that I 108 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 2: was calling like I was trying to do them once 109 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 2: a month in the between the chaos that was happening 110 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,119 Speaker 2: in the news. It was called like the Terraforming series, 111 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 2: where it's like, let me just find people that are 112 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 2: actually putting good in the world, you know what I'm saying, 113 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 2: and bring y'all on the ground. 114 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: Yes, you know, in between stuff. 115 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 2: We gott tell sometimes you need to break right, you know, 116 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 2: you need a break from the chaos. So that's why 117 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 2: you're here, man. And so first of all, let's see 118 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 2: if we can rewind the clock back as far as 119 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 2: possible to be like, I know, it's an odd question. 120 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 2: It will be like your introduction to hip hop. Sure, 121 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 2: your introduction like you're from the city like me, but like, 122 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 2: where did that start? 123 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 3: I mean not always rhymed for me as far back 124 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 3: as I can remember. Yeah, yeah, thirteen twelve thirteen for sure. 125 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 3: And then you know, open mic circuits and things like that. 126 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 3: You know, try my hand at it. But I still 127 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 3: had one foot in the life. So you know, I 128 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 3: got locked up from arm robbery at sixteen. When I 129 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 3: got out, the options for me were slim. 130 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. 131 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 3: Uh. And then there was a judge you said, strongly 132 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 3: suggests that I joined the Marine Corps. I want to 133 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 3: judge strongly suggests. I mean the next time I see you, yeah, 134 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 3: doing big numbers, you know what I mean. So it's like, 135 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 3: all right, you know, so I joined the Marine Corps. 136 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 3: My big takeaway from that, as far as hip hop 137 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 3: is concerned, is that I was you know, what it's 138 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 3: like being from la You kind of just listen to 139 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 3: La shit you know what I mean, Like that's it. Yes, 140 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 3: freestyle fellowship was it like there was no other like 141 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 3: back wrap, you know, quote unquote cipher rap. 142 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: Outside of that, you know, don't lose your thought, but 143 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: I would. 144 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 2: I started touring the amount of just I realized I 145 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 2: was like, I'm so arrogant. I don't believe in anyone's 146 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 2: underground raight up. Yeah, like no one's underground straight up. 147 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 3: So like you know, being in the military, I was 148 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 3: introduced to cash money, really introduced to you know, cats 149 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 3: from Alaska were doing stuff, and I was like, whoa, 150 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 3: this is blowing my mind. So it influenced my style 151 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 3: a lot. Yeah, So when I came home, I think 152 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 3: my style had grown. So I started working on songs 153 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 3: and then I think that just helped me kind of 154 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 3: grow as m see. So I put this project out 155 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 3: called Self Untitled. You know it was it was progressive 156 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 3: or liberal, I should say, yeah, you know, And it 157 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 3: came out and the community gravitated to it. And when 158 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 3: I put it out, I was really on some like 159 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 3: this ain't for Filipino people, this is like for everybody, 160 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 3: you know. I was trying to do the k Ya everybody, 161 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 3: but the community that clung to it was a Filipino community. 162 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 3: You know. 163 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 1: They were like, Yo, this is that's you know what. 164 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: Let me let me stop you there, man, I feel like. 165 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 2: It's it's it's such a bizarre from my own experience, 166 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 2: like and I didn't until I was an adult think 167 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 2: about it from the Filipino perspective, being like. 168 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: Things that how do I say this, like, y'all was 169 00:08:59,160 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: always there. 170 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 2: I just I just never thought about it, you know 171 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like, you know, uh, you know, from 172 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 2: leaving South Central to going to Sangrapo Valley and being 173 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 2: in like Melinda one they like, you know, and even 174 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 2: just little stuff like on the way to school there 175 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 2: was a Goldilocks. I never thought about the fact that 176 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 2: that was a whole ass other you know what I'm saying. 177 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 2: It was just, you know, in our mind, it was 178 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 2: like where I live in a Mexican hood. So I 179 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 2: just thought about it, and at least to my untrained eye, 180 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 2: I was like, well, y'all, you're the you're the darker 181 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 2: Mexicans that talk like black dudes, you know what I'm. 182 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: Saying, Like, you know, feel me? 183 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 2: And so I just especially out that way, So I 184 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 2: just never I never thought about it. 185 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: And then, uh, here's a funny story. 186 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 2: One of one of my LG's he used to always 187 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 2: talk about the first time we saw a gun was 188 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 2: this guy named Junior from PINOI Rial and he put 189 00:09:56,280 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 2: it in so many songs, right, and I you talked 190 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 2: about somebody with whose stepmother's Filipino. 191 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: My father's in Philippines. 192 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 2: Right now, right, And I just did not connect the 193 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 2: dots that Penoi Reale was Pinoy, Like I just never 194 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 2: thought about it, you. 195 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying. And then and then would it 196 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: all came together? 197 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 2: It turns out like I was, I again, never thought 198 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 2: about it until I was a full grown adult. There 199 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 2: was a guy that lived eight houses down from us 200 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 2: on our block that my sister, my older sister and 201 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 2: her friends used to say. 202 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: Oh, he's so fine, He's so fine. His name was Junior. 203 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 2: So then I'm telling this story to my old jay. 204 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 2: He was like, was Junior Filipino? And I was like, 205 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 2: I don't know, trying to text my sister, was Junior Filipino? 206 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: She was like yeah, And I was like. 207 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 3: Oh shit, it might be. 208 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: Anyway. 209 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 2: So just I say that to say that that the 210 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: fact that the community attached to it. 211 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: It to me. 212 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 2: It was like it wasn't that we were actively trying 213 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 2: to overlook this community. 214 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: I'm just saying. 215 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 2: I'm saying again step Filipino step mom living in West 216 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 2: Covina and friends with breakdancers. I just didn't think about 217 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 2: the fact that, like, oh my god, y'all were there 218 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 2: the whole time. 219 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 1: So I just wonder if that's. 220 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 3: Like but I was trying to get away from that, 221 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 3: Oh you were okay, you know, like again my you know, 222 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 3: I'm from the oldest La Filipino gang in existence something else, 223 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 3: you know, and you know, so my cultural perspective comes 224 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 3: from that lens, you know, and you know, I'm embedded 225 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 3: with It's my culture, you know. But once I discovered 226 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,319 Speaker 3: hip hop, hip hop did not align with what we 227 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 3: were doing as Filipino Americans. So once I fell in 228 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 3: love with it, and I went to school and grew 229 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 3: up with all my best friends are black, you know 230 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 3: what I mean, So like it just grew up in 231 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 3: that environment. And so when I wrote and recorded this album, 232 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 3: I didn't write it with the mindset of like fucking 233 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 3: grab the Filipino community and shake them up. You know, 234 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 3: it was more like accept me hip hop, you know, 235 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 3: I mean, it was more about that. So I didn't 236 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 3: think the hip hop community would understand my perspective as 237 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 3: a Filipino, but I knew that they would understand if 238 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 3: I was talking about neighborhood shit. You all go through that. 239 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 3: Like you just said, we were all in the same neighborhood, 240 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 3: were all police brutality, that's all something we deal with, 241 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 3: you know. So I was like, let me just focus 242 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 3: on that. But like I said, the Filipino communities were 243 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 3: gravitated to me, and was like, Yo, let's grab this 244 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 3: dude and figure him out and see what he's about, 245 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 3: you know. So then I eventually, you know, I'd always 246 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 3: been going to SEATPOT, which is the Filipino Community Center 247 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 3: in historic Filipino Town. It's an acronym for Search to 248 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 3: Involve Filipino Americans, which is still there. Yeah, the best 249 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 3: community center for our community, I think, and so I'd 250 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 3: already been going there. So there was this huge show 251 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 3: for a brother we lost named Arnold, and this guy 252 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 3: named Kiwi was headlined in the show, and everybody was 253 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,199 Speaker 3: telling me, Yo, man, you gotta see this dude, Kiwie 254 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 3: be on that kind of height, you know, And I 255 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 3: was like, you know, MC, I like, I don't care 256 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 3: about that, dude. I'm like, yeah, exactly was this dude about? 257 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 3: And I opened the show. It was like a forty 258 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 3: person lineup. So I opened the show. When he closed it, 259 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 3: I'm waiting the whole night. Yeah, yeah, I went to 260 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,559 Speaker 3: show up. He showed up, and I was blown away. 261 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, this dude's like he found a 262 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 3: way to embrace his Filipino this while at the same 263 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 3: time grabbing everybody else from any other culture in LA 264 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 3: and making them all do the call and responses. And 265 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 3: he was just I get goosebumps thinking about it. He 266 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 3: changed me. I was like, Okay, I need to work 267 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 3: with this dude. So when I started working on other 268 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 3: music and before I dropped my first album, I said 269 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 3: I gotta have you. And we went on tour together, 270 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 3: a college tour. It was called the Native Guns Tour, 271 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 3: and then we eventually just it went from like us 272 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 3: doing separate sets and then doing a couple of songs 273 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 3: together till like, by the end of the tour, we 274 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 3: were like doing we weren't even doing our own songs. 275 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 3: We were doing like Native Gun songs, and we became 276 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 3: a group, eventually picked up DJ Fatrick and still wasn't 277 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 3: organized or organizing. He was. He was like a pioneer, 278 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 3: him face Antia. They were pioneers as far as cultural 279 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 3: artists are concerned, working with grassroots people's organizations. I wasn't there. 280 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 3: I wasn't in that head space. 281 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 2: And so that's so yeah, interjecting the story here. So 282 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 2: I had already knew Faith because of poetry. 283 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 3: Right, So she was doing the rock to vote campaigns 284 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 3: that she was in magazines like this, you know what 285 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 3: I mean? 286 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then like obviously like there's for me, like 287 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 2: the glue was you know Irene, you know, I mean, 288 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 2: so you know, for y'all that don't listen Irene. I 289 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 2: mentioned her on multiple albums, you know, just little you know, 290 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 2: a couple of years younger THO were just like mesmerized 291 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 2: like that there's an whole island. 292 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: Of girls like you are you serious? Just where is 293 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: this place? Yeah? 294 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 2: And but that that for me too, like I had 295 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 2: never seen and so Faith kind of fitting that to me. 296 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 2: I had never seen revolutionaries that weren't black. I've only 297 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 2: I only knew black ones, you know what I'm saying, 298 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 2: and the few sort of like Mexican organizers around, like 299 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 2: you know. 300 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: The cessor Chilvis stuff groups. 301 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 2: But my understanding of like no, we're trying to burn 302 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 2: the system down. They was all black people, you know, 303 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 2: So seeing kind of what was what was happening, I 304 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 2: guess I'm assuming this is around the same time as 305 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 2: I was more like kind of learning that like, oh 306 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 2: there's a whole world here. There was like you know, 307 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 2: by someone to college. It was like I was, you know, 308 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 2: I don't even remember the friendship games. 309 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know all that, and uh, because I 310 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: was already in a breaking crew. Yeah I know. I 311 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: mean I was there for they still do friendship good. 312 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 2: I don't know, but I was already in a breaking 313 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 2: crew that, you know, because by this time I had 314 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 2: already decided kind of the same thing that like the 315 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 2: fork in the road of like am I going to 316 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 2: keep doing where to keep climbing over fences and write 317 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 2: writing my name on the walls and getting in trouble? 318 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: Or am I gonna take this serious? You know what 319 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: I'm saying. 320 00:15:57,760 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 2: So by this time I was like I just looked 321 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 2: around and I was like all my black friends went 322 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 2: g funk on me. You know what I'm saying. So 323 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 2: I'm like the Bee Boys. They were all Filipino, you 324 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 2: know what I mean. So for me, that introduced me 325 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 2: to this whole. 326 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: World and then I learned of the family. 327 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 2: Then I learned so I have my understanding of the 328 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 2: culture of the Philippines was through hip hop, you know 329 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 2: what I'm saying, And that didn't. 330 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: Like you know my prom dad. You know what I'm saying, 331 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: because that was where I'm from. You yeah, I didn't. 332 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 2: I didn't know that origin story. I'm I'm interested in, like, 333 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 2: so where the because I do remember the conversations with 334 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 2: like my friends, me and merce talk about it to 335 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 2: where at some point they like, are he weird? Because 336 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like, oh yeah, you're reading that, 337 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like like, I'm interested in 338 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 2: that conversation like where where? 339 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: Where was the homis feeling? 340 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 2: Well? 341 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 3: You know, I admired Kiwi and Kiwi was also from 342 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 3: a neighborhood growing up, you know what I mean. He's 343 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 3: from a neighborhood called jeff Rocks, which traditionally didn't get 344 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 3: along with our neighborhood. So but he was part of 345 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 3: the life and I'm watching him transition as an adult, 346 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,479 Speaker 3: uh and and kind of adopting this new gang of 347 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 3: like community organizing. I was very attracted to that, but 348 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 3: I still wasn't ready to put your foot in because 349 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 3: I'm an MC so I'm very ego driven and very 350 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 3: like prideful and like, no, I don't. I don't need 351 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 3: to be accountable to nobody. I'm conscious, yeah, and I'm 352 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 3: putting I'm putting good inside, right, I'm the one doing it. 353 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. 354 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 3: So, like I said, we were on tour and at 355 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 3: some point, we got to New York and I was 356 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 3: sitting with a bunch of the sisters from Nan, another 357 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 3: organization out there, and this woman named Ree, who you know, 358 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 3: I love her to death, like Ree is my heart 359 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 3: and she's down in San Diego right now. But I 360 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 3: met her and we were at this table and nobody 361 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 3: at ever, everybody was kind of I was at the 362 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 3: stage of my career and I was like, oh, you're Bamboo, 363 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, And she was like who you it. 364 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, I'm from this neighborhood. And she's like, 365 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 3: but who you organized and who are you accountable to? 366 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 3: You're making all this like music, but who's keeping you 367 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 3: in check? That was the change, right, Who's like keeping 368 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,479 Speaker 3: you in check? And who's informing you of all this stuff? 369 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 3: And I'm like, well, you know, I pick it up 370 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 3: from homies here and there, you know what I mean. 371 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 3: I work with K and B and L a kind 372 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 3: of you know, and it was just straight out like, 373 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 3: well that music is very weightless, you know what I mean, 374 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 3: Like you you're not accountable to nobody. It doesn't really 375 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 3: mean anything, you know. 376 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 2: And I was like, because it really it really hits 377 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 2: the like it hits on both levels in the sense 378 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 2: of like, okay, you you you saying you. 379 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: From this block, I go to that block and don't 380 00:18:58,200 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: nobody know you? 381 00:18:59,040 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 3: Right? Right? 382 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: Then where are these stories coming from? You know what 383 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 1: I mean? 384 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 2: So it was kind of so it resonates to where 385 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 2: it's like you talk about all this change, all these 386 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 2: like you know you want to see this, Okay, so 387 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 2: what do you, right, what are you. 388 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:11,959 Speaker 3: Actually going from? You know what I mean? Like, what 389 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 3: are you actually what's the goal of your music? And 390 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 3: I didn't really have an answer to make other people 391 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 3: conscious for what to do, you know, so everybody just 392 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 3: kind of for the purpose for what And I didn't 393 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 3: really have an answer. So then I kind of brought 394 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 3: this up to Kiwi, and I was like kind of bothered, 395 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 3: you know, because again I was infatuated with Rhea. I 396 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 3: was like, oh, she is somebody special, yea, yea, And 397 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 3: for her to tell me that really hurt, you know. 398 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 3: I was like, I'm talking to Keywi, and it wasn't 399 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 3: just hurt, it was the whole table of people kind 400 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 3: of like uh huh uh right, you know what I mean. 401 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 3: And and still in my patriarchal mind, I'm like, wow, 402 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 3: these women talking to me this way, you know what 403 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 3: I mean. 404 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: We ain't got there yet. Yeah. I wasn't there yet. 405 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 3: I was why are they challenging me in this way? 406 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 3: You know? And so I brought it up to Kiwi 407 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 3: and he's like, well, you should just organize. He's like, 408 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 3: you should go and when you get home, when we 409 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 3: get home, because we're in Boston at the time, He's like, 410 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 3: when you get home, you should sit down and fill 411 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 3: out that application and take your oath and you know, 412 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 3: really get out there and start organizing. And I did. 413 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 3: As soon as I got home. I got with the group. 414 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 3: The organization amachabayani K and B, which is translates to 415 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 3: pro people youth. And I got I got to work, 416 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 3: you know, and then that became the primary and the 417 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 3: music was the secondary, you know, where it was flipped before. 418 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 3: And so now I was using my music as the 419 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 3: cultural arm for this work that I was actually doing 420 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 3: on the ground. So you know, I had worked my 421 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 3: way all the way up to the secretary general that organization, 422 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 3: and you know, it really did hold me accountable, like 423 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 3: it really like people. I would say something on a record, 424 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 3: put it out and somebody tug at me and say, hey, man, 425 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 3: like you probably shouldn't have said this. You probably should 426 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 3: have said this. Yeah, this will affect people back home 427 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 3: in this way, and it was good for wow, you know. 428 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 3: And that's kind of where the growth comes from. 429 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 2: So let me ask you some more like logistical like 430 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 2: practical questions. So like I'm remembering the things that you know, 431 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 2: questions that people have asked me. So it's like literal 432 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 2: like time of day, you know, in the sense that 433 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 2: like we still got to pay the rent, you know 434 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 2: what I mean. So so like me explaining, I'm like, no, 435 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 2: I still worked, like I still had it, still had a. 436 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: Job, you know what I mean. 437 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 2: And then since this is strictly volunteer, how to balance 438 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 2: those things. So that's the first thing I want to ask, Like, 439 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 2: so if you could think back to like how you 440 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 2: were managing your time now granted like single, no wife, 441 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 2: no kids at the time, so I was really. 442 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 3: Able to say, you know what I'm saying, yeah, but. 443 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 2: And then having to now like learn how to like 444 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 2: sort of calibrate my time to be like you know, 445 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 2: that's I always say, like, man, you know, the marches 446 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 2: are for the young thes like, you know what I'm saying, Like, so, 447 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 2: but that doesn't mean I'm not involved. So anyway, So 448 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 2: like I want to ask about the practical part of 449 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,360 Speaker 2: like those beginning stages, and then secondly, like what were 450 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 2: some of the things that you did a lot of 451 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 2: times we say like, oh we're organizing. 452 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, so what does that mean? 453 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 1: What does that mean? Yeah? 454 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 3: So back then, I mean I may my money. I 455 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 3: worked in reality television. I was a video logger, yeah, 456 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 3: you know, and that kind of inform It was still 457 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 3: in the world of Hollywood. Yeah, this is after I 458 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 3: got out of the Marine Corps. It just came home 459 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 3: from the war and I tried to be a paramedic. 460 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 3: Didn't really work out for me. You know, dealing with 461 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 3: adults who were hurt are different than dealing with children, 462 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 3: and you know someone's old grandma. That's a completely different world. 463 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 3: Kind of messed me up. And I was dealing with 464 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,199 Speaker 3: a lot of PTSD. So I got into Hollywood a 465 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 3: whole different beast. But you know, being from LA that's like, yeah, 466 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 3: I was going to say, like, I find a job. 467 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: You're gonna find it. I always had to explain that 468 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: to people. I'm like, that's really like. 469 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, you'll find it your year's work. Yeah. So I 470 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 3: was doing that for a long time. But because I 471 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 3: was organizing with folks, I got into the nonprofit world, 472 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 3: which was pretty easy. You know, most of those people 473 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 3: that were organizing in grassroots people's organizations also had jobs, 474 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 3: as you know in five and one c three, So 475 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 3: I naturally jumped into that People's core, which is people's 476 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 3: community organization for reform and empowerment. His work, I kind 477 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 3: of thrived, and I always talk about that being like 478 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 3: my dream job. I really enjoyed it. And here I'll 479 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 3: give you some concrete stuff that we did there, so 480 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 3: we you know, the there was a big lawsuit on 481 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:17,199 Speaker 3: the tobacco industry, so part of their their retribution was 482 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 3: they'd have to distribute bread to all these community organizations 483 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 3: to do anti smoking campaigns. We took that and we said, okay, 484 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 3: we're going to Artisia, We're going to Crito's and we're 485 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 3: gonna do an anti multi unit housing, anti smoking in 486 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 3: multi unit housing campaign. 487 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: Wow, we did that. 488 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 3: We went in there and we organized door to door. 489 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 3: We're knocking on people, say hey, you know, like someone 490 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,199 Speaker 3: smoking an apartment b could affect someone in the apartment 491 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 3: seeks a centralized air, and then we would disguise that 492 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 3: in creating small people's organizations. We'd go from there to say, hey, 493 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 3: you know, the tobacco industry they kind of do this. 494 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 3: Then by the end of their meeting, they're talking about 495 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 3: capitalism and hyper capitalism is destroying their community, and we bounce. 496 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 3: So there you go. We did it. We got a 497 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 3: community org built and some of them are still working 498 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 3: to this day. Yeah, so those kind of things, Those 499 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 3: are concrete things that we did with money that was 500 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,479 Speaker 3: given to us, and we would just disguise it and rerouted. Yeah, 501 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 3: the grassroots organizational level, our goal was to connect the 502 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 3: issues that were happening locally to the issues happening in 503 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 3: the Philippines. So raising the awareness and then getting those 504 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 3: few that kind of rose up, grabbing them, getting them organized, 505 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 3: getting them in the organization to start doing the work, 506 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 3: and then just helping it spread, you know what I mean. 507 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 3: And then you know, raising support for the movement that 508 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 3: was happening in the Philippines. You know, there's still a 509 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 3: movement happening in the Philippines. We have one of the 510 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 3: longest standing revolutions on the planet, you know what I mean. 511 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 2: So we did an episode on Oh Boy that was 512 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 2: a they just captured that was running the colt, running 513 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 2: the church colt, and then built the homie homi'es hilarious. 514 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 2: He was a full on, like Pentecostal preacher. 515 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 3: I'm not hip, Oh bro, I gotta send you. 516 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: It's funny. 517 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 2: It's like it's like he's I mean, he's a bastard, 518 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 2: like a horrible being, but the city is funny. 519 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 1: And he ended up becoming best friends. 520 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 3: With the old the last president. 521 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 2: Last President's oh yeah, yeah, you know homegrow with all addresses, Yeah, Marcos, yes, Marcos. 522 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 2: He ended up being cool with them and that's really 523 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 2: what what kept him safe for a while. But now 524 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 2: that they are terrible people, yes, horrible human beings. But man, anyway, 525 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 2: that's I'm off topic. 526 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 3: But yeah, so, but that was kind of what the 527 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 3: you know, all of our ogs were fighting that regime, 528 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 3: they were fighting the Marcoses. So you know, we learned 529 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 3: a lot of lessons from that. And I'm gonna get 530 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 3: to the other question you asked. So you know, you 531 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 3: mentioned just letting young knees and yeah, yeah, and that's 532 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 3: really true. It's more to me, it's more about getting 533 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 3: out the way as an elder facts, you know, like 534 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 3: let the youth. I don't know what it's like to 535 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,640 Speaker 3: organize in a time of crazy social media. Yes, I'm 536 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 3: from door to door, knocking on the door, going to colleges, 537 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 3: breaking into classes and talking to you know, I'm from that. 538 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 3: I don't know what how to navigate this space, and 539 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 3: I shouldn't know how to do that, and I should 540 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 3: kind of inspire and hold up the youth who do 541 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 3: know how to do that. You know, the youth ceiling 542 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 3: is like thirty five, they say, which is crazy to me, 543 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,439 Speaker 3: right right, But they say, you can organize youth up 544 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 3: until thirty five, I say, like stay out of it 545 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 3: and when you hit thirty. But you know, so you 546 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 3: know that's kind of where I'm at now. Yeah, you know, 547 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 3: I support folks like I got a show coming up tomorrow. 548 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 3: I'm you know, opening up tables for a lot of 549 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 3: these younger folks to come and organize and grab folks 550 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 3: because I do the ultimate goal of my music is 551 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 3: to get people to organizee you know, I don't need fans. Yeah, 552 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 3: you know, we need comrades more than I need fans, 553 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 3: you know. Yeah. 554 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: I think. 555 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 2: One thing that really resonated with me is like I 556 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 2: found that what sort of worked well with sort of 557 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 2: my gifting what I was good at is like in 558 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 2: like like recognizing talent, you know what I'm saying, in 559 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 2: just finding those like those hungry like you know that 560 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 2: that I think in the same probably the same for you. 561 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 2: They gravitated to you anyway, one carried yourself and what 562 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 2: we were talking about anyway. And for me, a lot 563 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 2: of the stuff it came out of my work anyway. 564 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 2: So like when I like fresh out of college, I 565 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 2: worked at East Lake, So I was worked in juvenile halls. 566 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, so that. 567 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 2: Obviously, like was like, well, there's already an audience here 568 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 2: of people who want to hear something different, you know. 569 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 2: So then out of that, you know, you start helping 570 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,679 Speaker 2: them build their own communities and stuff like that. And 571 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 2: then from East Lake then I was like it, Matt 572 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 2: taught at Camp Rocky, Like I taught all these camps 573 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,959 Speaker 2: and then finally landed at this school in Pomona, and 574 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 2: then there I just fell into. 575 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: One of the youngest teachers. 576 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 2: You know, obviously I'm black, I'm from the city, so 577 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 2: like I fell into a lot of the gang intervention 578 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 2: stuff over there, you know, and you just one just 579 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 2: because I knew where I was, you know what I'm saying, 580 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 2: Like it'd be little stuff like there's a big chunk 581 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 2: of our audiences from California, so I could be real 582 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 2: specific about stuff like this, where like I remember the 583 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 2: school was trying to set up a after school thing 584 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 2: at the Boys and Girls Club on Mission, right, So 585 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 2: it's like Mission and whole No No, No Mission and Gary. 586 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: So it's Gary and Mission and. 587 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 3: This. 588 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 2: I remember some of the administrators were like, why aren't 589 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 2: why aren't these kids going? And I was like, well, 590 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 2: you have to cross tenth Street. 591 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: Right, She's like, what you have to cross tenth Street? 592 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 2: Like I was like, they're not you like you have 593 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 2: to have you either have to have three of these 594 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 2: places or maybe maybe you shouldn't work here, you know 595 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 2: what I mean. So there was those those those friendships, 596 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 2: you know what I mean that Sometimes it's just started 597 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 2: off as being like I was just the cool teacher, 598 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 2: you know, dovetailed into like. 599 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: A essentially radicalizing these. 600 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 3: Kids, you know what I'm saying, And you know it 601 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 3: ain't too far off. I always say, like I always say, 602 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 3: gangs are just community organizations, you know what I mean, 603 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 3: That's really all they are. They just they haven't been 604 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 3: brought the awareness hasn't been brought to a lot of 605 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 3: them to like these street beefs are real beefs. First 606 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 3: of all. I always got to say that. I think 607 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 3: a lot of elders look at them as like just 608 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 3: silly kids, you know what. But these beefs are generational, 609 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 3: you know, and and they're very real. People have lost 610 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,479 Speaker 3: uncles and aunts to this violence. And it is not 611 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 3: as simple to say let's just stop the violence, you know, 612 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 3: It's not that easy. There's there's a wombs that need 613 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 3: to be here. Yeah, you know, and there's trauma that 614 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 3: needs to. 615 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: Sit a Ukrainian and a Russian down and tell them 616 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: to just stop it. 617 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 3: By it's not that not that, it's not that simple, 618 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And then compounded with what 619 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 3: we deal with on a regular basis, you know, not 620 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 3: feeling human, not feeling a part of a real community, 621 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like life is cheap at 622 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 3: the end of the day. Sometimes, you know. 623 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 2: I think you're you're a good example of like I 624 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 2: think I said it the first time of what I 625 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 2: mean by hood of politics in the sense that to 626 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 2: your point, you know, I use one of the kids 627 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:49,959 Speaker 2: from that I'm talking about now, uh At he's shooting 628 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 2: a video. He could shoot out a hundred he can 629 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 2: shoot out of text, like, hey, I need a hundred 630 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 2: people on like you know, Florence and Normandy. I'm like, Nigga, 631 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 2: where the riot started. You're gonna shoot a video where 632 00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 2: the LA riots started, And. 633 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: You're just. 634 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 2: Right, You're gonna shoot one right there, and one hundred 635 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 2: and fifty people show up, and two hundred people show up, 636 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 2: and I'm like, you're an organizer, Like that's real power. 637 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 3: That power. 638 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 2: I was like, you know, politicians pay for that. That's 639 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 2: called astroturfing. They pay to have people show up. I'm like, 640 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 2: you can actually do it. 641 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: That's real power. 642 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 2: So you could say, Pomona Unified School District, Hey, with 643 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 2: a hundred of us, we need to pull up to 644 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 2: this meeting to say we need this for our schools. 645 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: You can do it, you know. 646 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 2: So and and and seeing like I said, like seeing 647 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 2: you evolve from like as i' mean asdultad fans I 648 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 2: was a professional rappert. 649 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. 650 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 2: But like, it's not what I'm here for. There's a 651 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 2: there's a there's a greater thing happening here. 652 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 3: To wrap it up, you know, While I appreciate folks 653 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 3: who enjoyed my floor sick, you know, I think, like 654 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 3: I said, the ultimate goal is to turn you into 655 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 3: a comrade at some point, you know what I mean, 656 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 3: even if it's in your own life. Yeah, because we 657 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 3: need this change. We need to impact social changes that way. 658 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 3: You know. 659 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 2: So in what ways could you le'ma get soupy on you, like, 660 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 2: could you see you know obviously, just I looked up 661 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 2: seven fifty Sacramento Street over here, for the Supreme Court 662 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,719 Speaker 2: case about birthright citizenship with the Chinese immigrant, like eighteen 663 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 2: ninety six. It was fresh on my mind, so I 664 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 2: was like, I know, it's so such a deep cut, 665 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 2: but the story I think it's next week's episode. But 666 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 2: the story is like this guy, you know, was born 667 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 2: in San Francisco at seven fifty, you know, comes back, 668 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 2: you know, going back and forth see his family, and 669 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 2: he comes back and because of the Chinese Exclusion Act, 670 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 2: happened while he was gone. 671 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: So he comes back and they're like, yop, he can't 672 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: come in. 673 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 2: He's like, I literally see my house like I was 674 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 2: born right there. 675 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: So just while that's. 676 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 2: Being challenged again, and just you know, and just just 677 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 2: some of just the absurdity that's happening here we're watching. 678 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 2: Like I give an example of like if you buy 679 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 2: it it's Valentine's that you buy a bouquet of roses 680 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 2: and you put them in a vase. The roses are dead, 681 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 2: thirty dead. It's just a matter of time, you know 682 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. And you're just slowing it down. So 683 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 2: when I look at like American democracy, I'm like, it's 684 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 2: it's been dead, you know what I'm saying, but and 685 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 2: we're watching it be rebirthed into this like you know, 686 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 2: technocratic oligarchy, like and we're you voted for this, Like 687 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 2: I watched y'all choose this. 688 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: You know, this man looked you in the face. 689 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 2: It was like, I'm finn lower yo yo yo grocery 690 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 2: prices and none of y'all like nobody. 691 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 3: And he's like, here's Golf of America. 692 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, here Golf of America. This man, I'm like, none 693 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 1: of y'all got an issue with that. 694 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 2: Like nobody y'all with this Patriot groceries, Like I'm supposed 695 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 2: to pay more? 696 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 3: Now? 697 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: What do you anyway? 698 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:56,959 Speaker 3: So? 699 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 2: Uh, in what ways are like you sort of kind 700 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 2: of continuing on finding hope? Like like I said, everybody 701 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 2: hear from me all the time, So like what ways 702 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 2: are you kind of like finding enjoy or. 703 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 3: Well, I mean that's a tough one, you know, but 704 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 3: I wasn't asleep during the Obama administration. I wasn't asleep 705 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 3: during Joe Biden's administration. That's you know, my my my 706 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 3: mentor Joe Navidae used to always say, same dog, different 707 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 3: collar facts. You got to kill the dog, you know. 708 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 3: So the goal has always been systemic change, and you 709 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 3: know you just kind of have to dismantle it and 710 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 3: separate it all. You know. The way we can do 711 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 3: it as MCS as artist is the cultural aspect each 712 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 3: you know, the cultural, the political, and the economic all 713 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 3: have to support each other. That's why the music we 714 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 3: hear ISYP is based on consumerism, you know what I mean, 715 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 3: it upholds consumerism, it has to. So what we can 716 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 3: do is change that narrative is start to, you know, 717 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 3: make music that that challenges that, and then eventually one 718 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 3: of those is going to have to fall or at 719 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,359 Speaker 3: least start to. And we were getting there's there were 720 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 3: small moments, you know, there were little moments where we're like, okay, cool, 721 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,839 Speaker 3: you know we have socialist things in our government now, 722 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 3: social security, yeah, yeah, you know, fire department, right exactly, 723 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 3: those kind of things. And you know, so I find 724 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 3: hope in small victories like that. And I do believe 725 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 3: that this is not a you know, I think when 726 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 3: you're young, you want it to happen yesterday, and you 727 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 3: don't understand it's gonna be generational. You know, this is 728 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 3: gonna be generational change. So I'm patient, Yeah, it probably 729 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 3: won't happen in our children's lifetime. But if they keep pushing, 730 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 3: it's gonna happen. 731 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 1: That's my thing. 732 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,880 Speaker 2: When I hear myself saying things my father said, and 733 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 2: I'm like, wait, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, But 734 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 2: at the same time I can say, like you said, 735 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:48,360 Speaker 2: like that, my my felt life experience is different, you know. 736 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 2: And and then to me, like I get excited when 737 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 2: I'm seeing like again, like these these young leings like 738 00:35:55,280 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 2: being hungry and understand things at understanding new luance is 739 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 2: at a level I, you know, didn't at their age 740 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,400 Speaker 2: where it's like, you know, for me, it was like 741 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 2: all things that everything's a hammer. You feel me, it's 742 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 2: all on nails, So just straight up beat the door. 743 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 2: Now they you know, they got a little finesse, you 744 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. I'm like, you understand nuance earlier 745 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 2: than I did. 746 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 3: You know that well, even in regard to art, like 747 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 3: it's so independent. We're sitting here right now holding microphones 748 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 3: like we couldn't picture that as a kid like you had. 749 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 3: I had to get a task ambrol and like bring 750 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 3: it to a studio in the valley and pay this 751 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 3: dude thirty dollars an hours I can get one song out, 752 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 3: you know where Now kids are recording in their bedroom 753 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 3: and it's amazing people are putting you know, you dream 754 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 3: about being on TV for sure, Now I'm on YouTube phone, 755 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It's that simple. 756 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, man, that's that's that's good to hear. 757 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:42,839 Speaker 2: Man. 758 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,319 Speaker 3: So that's where I'm ad. You know, that's where I'm at, 759 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, that's that's what gives 760 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 3: me hope. And yeah, just pointing a dad, you know 761 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 3: what I mean? Like that, that's another big thing for me, 762 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,840 Speaker 3: you know, being a dad and watching my kids and 763 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 3: them changing just a little bit more, you know, just 764 00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 3: turning the needle just a little bit. You know. 765 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love love watching my children put together some 766 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 2: sentences that I'm like, me and my wife look at 767 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 2: each other like hmm, kids gonna be all right. It 768 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 2: also helps to I would say, because I honestly couldn't 769 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 2: imagine like experiencing it, like if my partner in life, 770 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 2: like if my wife wasn't about the revolution, sure as 771 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 2: as I was, Like we realized like as we've gotten older, 772 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 2: like a lot of. 773 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,320 Speaker 1: Our interests, interests have differed. 774 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying like we're just not into 775 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 2: a lot of the same stuff we used to be into, 776 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 2: where I'm like, she don't want to she don't want 777 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 2: to go see some underground wrapper. You know what I'm saying. 778 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 2: I'm good, you know what I mean. She wants to 779 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,280 Speaker 2: hike on Sunday. You feel me, And I'm like, I'm good. 780 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 2: I'm entering my like my the old age. I'm like 781 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,759 Speaker 2: buying tools and figuring out to fixate like I never 782 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 2: wanted to yard work was punishment, like kidding me, I'm 783 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 2: not fing to do that now you feel me, I'm like, 784 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 2: how many gears? But yeah, but we understood that like 785 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 2: with being like mission focused, like everything's been about mission 786 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 2: and just vision, like being like that's whatever jobs we've 787 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 2: chosen for to support ourselves, whatever things we put our 788 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 2: name on. It's like if it's not if it's not 789 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 2: mission first, we's not into it, you know what I mean, 790 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 2: which meant that we was willing to sacrifice, you know, 791 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 2: vacations as part of why she didn't come this trip 792 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 2: was just like money's. 793 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 1: Got to go somewhere else, right, you know what I mean? 794 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 1: So I see that with y'all too, like that I mean, 795 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:33,240 Speaker 1: I can't. 796 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 2: I wish you could give abody advice, like, yo, marry you 797 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 2: a rider, you know what I'm saying, Like I just 798 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,319 Speaker 2: sometimes not like that, but I would say that that's 799 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 2: something that's beautiful for y'all too. That like my wife 800 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 2: and I look like from a foreigner, like, yeah, we 801 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 2: understand that word. 802 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. I appreciate my relationship, you know. I appreciate her 803 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 3: as a partner and as a co parent, you know 804 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,239 Speaker 3: what I mean, Like we idealistically there's things that we 805 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 3: don't see eye on all the time, you know what 806 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,279 Speaker 3: I mean, but we have at least the foundation for 807 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 3: how to have those conversations in those conflicts, you know 808 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 3: what I mean. So I appreciate that. Yeah, that's about 809 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 3: my relationship with her, and she's she's a great MC. 810 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, I think you are around 811 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,319 Speaker 3: more mcs than I am. But I'm really not like 812 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,479 Speaker 3: I'm alone. I'm in the house, I'm with the kids, 813 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,319 Speaker 3: so rap for me, there was nothing really motivating me, 814 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 3: but I live with somebody. So when she was recording 815 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 3: a record, I'm like, man, I don't want to write 816 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,759 Speaker 3: some bars too, you know. So that's kind of where 817 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,840 Speaker 3: this new record came from was just me listening to 818 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,360 Speaker 3: her make long kids, good night and motivating me to 819 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:33,879 Speaker 3: be like you, I want to get back to right. 820 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 1: You know. 821 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, let's let's end on that, 822 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 2: like so us tell us about this album, which is 823 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,240 Speaker 2: the greatest album name ever. At first I thought sharpest 824 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,239 Speaker 2: to him, this jet was the best ever, And then 825 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 2: then it's massa. 826 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,360 Speaker 1: If you see someone stealing food, no you didn't. 827 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 3: I think it definitely was birth for me looking at 828 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 3: the Internet and looking at social media and seeing people 829 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,279 Speaker 3: just like stealing things and people shitting on them, like, yo, 830 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 3: this this dude gets crack. He came in here and 831 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:05,240 Speaker 3: started taking shampoo. He's taking shampoo. Yeah, he's taking shampoo, 832 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 3: stealing steaks. I was like, he's loby doll, Like they're 833 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 3: gonna throw that out. 834 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,759 Speaker 2: You know, if you had a little less Melanie, you 835 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,720 Speaker 2: would call that forging straight up. There you go yourself 836 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,719 Speaker 2: saying there, straight up you call forging and survival, and 837 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:19,399 Speaker 2: especially out. 838 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:20,920 Speaker 3: Here in the Bay that was inundated because you know, 839 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 3: they were really trying to build this. Uh. You know, 840 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 3: this is such a progressive city up here in there. 841 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 3: It's such a progressive area that conservatives really use this 842 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,279 Speaker 3: as like the target of like this is why you 843 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 3: can't have a progressive government because people are stealing and 844 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,240 Speaker 3: bipping cars, but they were failing to kind of recognize 845 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,240 Speaker 3: the underlying Yeah, you're taking you know, look at Oakland, 846 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 3: Like you've taken all the teams away from Oakland. You're 847 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,239 Speaker 3: taking all the industry out of Oakland, you know what 848 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,680 Speaker 3: I mean. And then you're like, why are they stealing 849 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,520 Speaker 3: so much ship? Why are people poor? Well, yeah, there's 850 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,279 Speaker 3: nothing here, you know, So that kind of birth that 851 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 3: like stop snitching, you know what I mean, Like turn 852 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,839 Speaker 3: the other cheek, doesn't it don't affect you, you know 853 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 3: what I mean? Like, and then we can have the 854 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,640 Speaker 3: nuanced conversation I've had comments on like what about a 855 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,040 Speaker 3: small business? Sure we can, we can talk about that. 856 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,959 Speaker 3: That's exactly you should know if you listen to record 857 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,480 Speaker 3: as not what I'm talking Aboueah, you know. 858 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,719 Speaker 2: And if you and if you're from the city, you know, 859 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 2: nobody's stealing from mister Johnson. 860 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:21,280 Speaker 3: Nobody's nobody Walgreens, and you know that's where they're taking sticks. 861 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,479 Speaker 3: And so that's where the title of the album comes from. 862 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,279 Speaker 3: And then like, you know, just I just wanted to 863 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,440 Speaker 3: kind of stream a consciousness to make music. But then 864 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 3: there are things like Intifada, which you know, deals with 865 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:36,120 Speaker 3: the Palestinian situation, and you know, I didn't lin Manuel 866 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:37,720 Speaker 3: kind of messed it up for a lot of rappers 867 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,000 Speaker 3: because when when I was writing, and I'm like, man, 868 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,839 Speaker 3: this is very Hamilton Is you know what I mean, 869 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,239 Speaker 3: Like this sounds kind of corny, but I put it 870 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 3: out anyway. I just put it on the table. I 871 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:47,839 Speaker 3: was like, let's just put it out there. So it's 872 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,799 Speaker 3: got a lot of dates on it and whatnot. So 873 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,839 Speaker 3: but now, really, you know this, I didn't think this 874 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 3: record would have such a great reception. I thought it 875 00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:56,719 Speaker 3: was going to be like a mixtape. I was calling 876 00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,719 Speaker 3: it a mix tape. I was telling the label like, hey, 877 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,839 Speaker 3: I'm just putting out this mixtape, you know, And when 878 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,719 Speaker 3: it came out, you know, folks really messed with it. Yeah. 879 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,840 Speaker 1: It was timely, man, it was like right on time. 880 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,359 Speaker 2: And it like I think it cuts through a lot 881 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:10,759 Speaker 2: of like a lot of times, I think even for 882 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,040 Speaker 2: US mcs that really want to say something. Sometimes I 883 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,719 Speaker 2: found which some of the motivation with the podcast, who 884 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:23,280 Speaker 2: is like my commitment to making a dope song sometimes 885 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:24,959 Speaker 2: gets in a way of what I'm trying to say. 886 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,719 Speaker 1: So sometimes you like, you just got to say it, 887 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,080 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But I feel like it's 888 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:30,640 Speaker 1: a great way to put it. You understand what I'm saying. 889 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,759 Speaker 2: So I feel like this it cut through in a 890 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,920 Speaker 2: way that it's like, oh, no, he's saying it. You 891 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,920 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying and it's not. But it's not. 892 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,680 Speaker 2: The rap didn't get in the way, like you feel 893 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,960 Speaker 2: me like appreciate that, you know, and I as that's 894 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:44,960 Speaker 2: what I appreciated about it. 895 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,319 Speaker 1: I was like, no, you know, he said it. And 896 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:47,719 Speaker 1: I also appreciate. 897 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:52,239 Speaker 2: About like, uh, because there there there there's music I'm 898 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,759 Speaker 2: sitting on that we're not sitting on. It's just in 899 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,759 Speaker 2: the pipeline of coming out to where I'm like, I 900 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,440 Speaker 2: don't understand why y'all can't just like just say with 901 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:06,279 Speaker 2: y'all jazz, like if this like y'all dancing around like 902 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,040 Speaker 2: y'all are real quiet. 903 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,760 Speaker 3: I think because people think they they're gonna live forever, 904 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 3: and I understand that my time is limited. Yeah, my time, 905 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,839 Speaker 3: that's something I can't get back. You know, I'm never 906 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,359 Speaker 3: gonna get that back, you know. So I cherish all 907 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,880 Speaker 3: those moments, and at the same time, it also pushes 908 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,040 Speaker 3: me to say say it, what's your fucking chest? Like, 909 00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:29,279 Speaker 3: just say it, bro like you know, and and be 910 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:30,920 Speaker 3: open to having convers and that's the other things I 911 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,640 Speaker 3: don't think artists. I think artists put themselves on this 912 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,840 Speaker 3: pedestal where they don't think they can have conversations with 913 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,319 Speaker 3: regular people. And if someone challenges you want to have 914 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,680 Speaker 3: that conversation. I'm not talking about like in the comment section. 915 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,920 Speaker 3: I'm talking about like, you know, I've had people come 916 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,360 Speaker 3: up to me at shows and say, hey, why you 917 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,840 Speaker 3: keep saying guys? You know, and I'm like, what, because 918 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,120 Speaker 3: that's you know, but I have to have that conversation, 919 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,719 Speaker 3: and it challenges me to be like, yeah, maybe I 920 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,920 Speaker 3: am like isolating people or you know, yeah, genderizing people 921 00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,160 Speaker 3: by saying guys. Maybe people do feel the type of way, 922 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,480 Speaker 3: and I have to challenge myself on that. So I 923 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,759 Speaker 3: think as an artist, that's what we should be. You know, 924 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,160 Speaker 3: we're we're a cultural arm of something that's happening, you 925 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:08,880 Speaker 3: know what I mean. We're not above all of this, 926 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,400 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, We're not informing the people. 927 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,560 Speaker 3: The people are informing us how to make this music. 928 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,560 Speaker 1: I'm I'm a member of the community. 929 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,439 Speaker 3: Right I just happen to be able to wrap and 930 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,000 Speaker 3: make something palatable for you to hear. 931 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,040 Speaker 1: You know, thank you for your time, man. 932 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,040 Speaker 3: I appreciate you. Man. 933 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,560 Speaker 2: Man, it's Valentine's You need to get to take care 934 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,400 Speaker 2: of your business before all of us get in trouble. 935 00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 1: Anyway. Appreciate you, man. 936 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:32,719 Speaker 3: I love you, brother, Love you too. Brother. 937 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,319 Speaker 2: All right, now, don't you hit stop on this pod. 938 00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:49,719 Speaker 2: You better listen to these credits. I need you to 939 00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,480 Speaker 2: finish this thing so I can get the download numbers. Okay, 940 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:58,160 Speaker 2: so don't stop it yet, but listen. This was recorded 941 00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,839 Speaker 2: in East Lost Boy Heights by your boy Propaganda. Tap 942 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,600 Speaker 2: in with me at prop hip hop dot com. If 943 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,960 Speaker 2: you're in the Coldbrew coffee we got terraform Coldbrew. You 944 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,520 Speaker 2: can go there dot com and use promo code hood 945 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,240 Speaker 2: get twenty percent off get yourself some coffee. This was mixed, 946 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,960 Speaker 2: edited and mastered by your boy Matt Alsowski killing the 947 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,600 Speaker 2: beat softly. Check out his website Matdowsowski dot com. 948 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,920 Speaker 1: I'm a speller for you because I know m A T. T. 949 00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:34,440 Speaker 2: O s O W s Ki dot com Matthowsowski dot com. 950 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:35,440 Speaker 1: He got more music and. 951 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,239 Speaker 2: Stuff like that on there, so gonna check out the heat. 952 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,600 Speaker 2: Politics is a member of cool Zone Media, Executive produced 953 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:47,560 Speaker 2: by Sophie Lichterman, part of the iHeartMedia podcast network. Your 954 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,920 Speaker 2: theme music and scoring is also by the one and 955 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:54,600 Speaker 2: nobly Mattowsowski. Still killing the beat softly, so listen, don't 956 00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,160 Speaker 2: let nobody lie to you. If you understand urban living, 957 00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,359 Speaker 2: you understand politics. These people is not smart and you. 958 00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:17,880 Speaker 2: We'll see y'all next week. 959 00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:23,480 Speaker 3: H