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Speaker 1: Good morning, sweet man. Welcome to the No Dunks podcast

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Speaker 1: on the Athletic Network, a fine network. It's Tuesday, June

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Speaker 1: twenty eighth, and I'm j E. Skeets and joining me

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Speaker 1: here in the yard on a Tuesday. We got a

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Speaker 1: beard one Trey Kirby. Hey, hey, it's just you, buddy,

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Speaker 1: just you, just me dropping an AO back to my

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Speaker 1: man TK. Shout out to the stream team. Maybe they

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Speaker 1: dropped some aos when you said AO. Joining us live

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Speaker 1: right now on YouTube, Subscribe, like comments, share the show,

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Speaker 1: and email in your NBA questions. Do not be afraid

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Speaker 1: to sending those cues two No Dunks at the Athletic

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Speaker 1: dot Com. Well, we lied to you. We said we

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Speaker 1: were taking the week off. We said we won't do

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Speaker 1: a podcast unless it's an emergency podcast. I would say

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Speaker 1: this isn't that. But there's a lot to talk about,

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Speaker 1: and I get bored very easily. Man. TK is always

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Speaker 1: down to talk hoops, So let's fire it up and

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Speaker 1: talk a little basketball. Wait, we're talking about hoops here,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about basketball. I thought you were talking about

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Speaker 1: the big free agency news that the Kirby family has

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Speaker 1: agreed to terms on a twenty twelve Toyota Highlander Hybrid

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Speaker 1: joining the squad here pretty soon. Terms of the deal

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Speaker 1: are not disclosed at this time, but I have a

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Speaker 1: reliable source inside the organization that tells me they've found

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Speaker 1: a replacement for their old Toyota Highlander. Wow, this is

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Speaker 1: this is big news. Okay, and this this is just

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Speaker 1: reports still, this is nothing official. No one's sailin. Yeah, okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: Well that's very exciting. How does the Kirby household feel

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Speaker 2: Honestly, we are feeling blessed right now. We had the

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Speaker 2: twenty twelve Toyota Highlander Hybrid very high on our targets

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Speaker 2: this offseason, and just honestly shocked to find it out

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Speaker 2: and about there.

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Speaker 1: So just just great.

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Speaker 2: But you know, fingers crossed that everything goes well in

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Speaker 2: the contract signing stages.

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Speaker 1: Okay. I was searching frantically for like a breaking news,

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Speaker 1: like an emergency drop, but I can't find one. So

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Speaker 1: we'll have to talk to JD about getting that time. Okay, excellent.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to see uh. I can't wait to

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Speaker 1: see that car holding up a little Kirby jersey.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna put a Kirby jersey up next to it

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Speaker 2: and follow up on my tweet from before when we

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Speaker 2: had to retire the old Highlander. That's just our style

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Speaker 2: right now, I knew, get the slightly newer version of

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Speaker 2: the same thing over and over and over.

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Speaker 1: Hey, if it works, then then run it back. You know,

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Speaker 1: you guys are you're you're a dynasty over there in

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Speaker 1: the kir House. Yeah, I guess that's rights.

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Speaker 2: The heat says, any cash considerations, Yeah, yeah, lot, Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: oh yeah, I've been considering cash all weekends.

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Speaker 1: Ski. Yeah, probably too.

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Speaker 2: Much in the end, but we'll see, yeah, we shall see.

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Speaker 2: You know, we had a pretty clear cap sheet consider

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Speaker 2: regard of their cars already paid off.

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Speaker 1: So nice stuff, nice stuff. Good to be on the

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Speaker 1: hot stove here, Okay, well yeah, look, the NBA Finals

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Speaker 1: are over, the Draft is over, we are into the

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Speaker 1: free agency period. Rumors are already flying fast and furious.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I figured why not jump on here

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Speaker 1: with Trey set the table for everyone as we approach

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Speaker 1: the free agency negotiating period, which officially starts at six

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Speaker 1: pm Eastern on Thursday, June thirtieth, So a couple of

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Speaker 1: NBA Free agency bonanza. Hopefully we'll see so we might

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Speaker 1: have some other podcasts later in the week though this

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Speaker 1: is our off week, which is funny. But the big

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Speaker 1: news yesterday, Trey, let's get to it, was Kyrie Irving. Oh, yes,

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Speaker 1: the Nets guard is opting into his thirty seven million

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Speaker 1: dollar player option for next season. He said this, two

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Speaker 1: champs of the athletic quote. Normal people keep the world going,

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Speaker 1: but those who dare to be different lead us into tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: I've made my decision to opt in. See you in

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Speaker 1: the fall signing a yearbook, Carrie Irving to show this summer. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so thank god we were not doing a podcast on Monday.

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Speaker 1: That's all I thought about because all day long, I'm

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Speaker 1: sure you were watching on Twitter was Woes telling us, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I mean he might be going to the Lakers. This

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Speaker 1: signing Tray and all this crap, and it was all

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Speaker 1: the money and he dares to be different, Trey, in

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Speaker 1: doing so, which I'm sure you have some thoughts on.

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Speaker 2: Well, my first thought on this is this is one

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Speaker 2: hundred percent why you have to subscribe to The Athletic

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Speaker 2: at the Athletic dot com slash no dunks because Brian

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Speaker 2: Win reported today that the Brooklyn Nets found out that

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Speaker 2: Kyrie Irving was going to be opting into his contract

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Speaker 2: when he made the statement to Shams. That's pretty amazing.

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Speaker 2: But you know, for for the way this has played out,

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Speaker 2: I saw some podcasts yesterday. We're like, whoa they're going in.

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Speaker 2: Kyrie Irving has been cleared to find a sign and trade.

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Speaker 2: Sign and trade scenarios all around the league. So let's

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Speaker 2: get together, let's talk some podcasts, and let's make up

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Speaker 2: some fake trades, only to then hours later see Kyrie

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Speaker 2: actually opt into this deal. If you've been listening to

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Speaker 2: kind of been saying this seemed like the most likely

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Speaker 2: thing to me. Thirty seven million dollars is a lot

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Speaker 2: to pass up, especially considering Kyrie lost out on fifteen

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Speaker 2: million last year. With his stance on the vaccine and

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Speaker 2: the regulations there in New York, there are reports that

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Speaker 2: his Nike deal may be coming to an end sometime

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Speaker 2: in the near future. Thirty seven million is a lot

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Speaker 2: to pass up when the option if you were really

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Speaker 2: wanting to join the Lakers, most likely the easiest way

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Speaker 2: to do it would be opting out and then signing

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Speaker 2: a six million dollar deal. Dare to be different. Take

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Speaker 2: the thirty one million dollars extra if you're me.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting because we had a ton

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Speaker 2: of news Kyrie's going to be looking for a trade.

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Speaker 2: It really felt like this guy could be traded, but

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Speaker 2: timing wise not perfect for Kyrie because the teams that

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Speaker 2: have a ton of cap space are not contending teams

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Speaker 2: right now, and Kyrie's wanting to challenge for a title,

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Speaker 2: no doubt about that. It seems like the Lakers were

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Speaker 2: probably choice number one, and the Nets aren't gonna want

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Speaker 2: was just kind of map market factors were why Kyrie

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Speaker 2: I'm not totally surprised that it happened. But I also

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Speaker 2: don't think this is the end of the Kyrie Irving

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Speaker 2: possible trade scenarios news that we're going to have for

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Speaker 2: the rest of the offseason. He says, see you next fall.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be hearing about Kyrie Irving all summer long.

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Speaker 2: I do think, as Windhorse reported again today, that there

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Speaker 1: Of trade is still possible.

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Speaker 2: If you read Danny LaRue over at the Athletic, he

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Speaker 2: breaks it down how Kyrie still could be traded basically

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Speaker 2: any time between now and the trade deadline, which then

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Speaker 2: settled for now, But it also felt like Kyrie Irving

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Speaker 2: it ain't the end of the story, but this was

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Speaker 2: the most likely chapter in the story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the dare to be different line is hilarious because

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Speaker 1: the different way to go about free agency, and it

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Speaker 1: would be madness, would be the opposite of what he did.

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Speaker 1: Like you were saying to opt out of the thirty

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Speaker 1: team for seven million dollars. That's different, and we almost

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Speaker 1: were led to believe if anyone would do it, it

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Speaker 1: would be Kyrie. And in the end he sort of

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Speaker 1: trolls us on that He's like, no, I'm gonna I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna take the thirty seven million, thanks, and yeah, maybe

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Speaker 1: then we'll still be traded. And then to see you

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Speaker 1: in the fall part, it's almost like a threat. It's

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go through this all over again. Come you know,

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Speaker 1: guess here the nets. In theory, we might see Kyrie

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Speaker 1: KD and Ben Simmons maybe maybe play come October. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I was so bad at statistics skates back in the

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Speaker 2: of honestly forget that Ben Simmons is on the nets,

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Speaker 2: But right now it feels like we're gonna see this

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Speaker 2: I don't really know where to put the nets right now.

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Speaker 2: It's really hard to figure out because last year it

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Speaker 2: You say, if they've got Kyrie on the floor and

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Speaker 2: KD on the floor, they got a chance against anybody.

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Speaker 2: They had Kyrie and Katy on the floor against the

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Speaker 2: I don't think that that's a guarantee. But honestly, from

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Speaker 1: So I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Zach Low is always calling the Nets a hypothetical super team.

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Speaker 2: They remain a hypothetical super team at this point.

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Speaker 1: So see you next fall, I hope. So yeah, they

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Speaker 1: Patty Mills has to decide on his player option six

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Speaker 1: point two million dollars after he signed a two year

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Speaker 1: He played really well for them when Steve Nash finally

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Speaker 1: decided to start playing them, and then they could use

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Speaker 1: a couple names. You know, is Batoom a possible guys

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Speaker 1: TJ Warren. If you believe he can stay healthy and

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Speaker 2: You're right, twenty six to fifty nine games played for

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Speaker 1: That's leading the way. Forty one and a half percent.

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Speaker 2: But it's been a minute since Kyrie Irving has played

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Speaker 1: Get the best Kyrie Irving.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, if Kyrie is going to act like

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Speaker 1: no other Nets thoughts for you right now, Skates, But

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Speaker 2: Day off, we should probably wrap the podcast right now

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Speaker 2: he John Wall is a bigger guard as well. I

433
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Speaker 2: think that's gonna be huge. Like he's going to be

434
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Speaker 2: good defensively as well. He was always one of the

435
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,360
Speaker 2: leaders in steals. He can be disruptive. All he's got

436
00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:22,080
Speaker 2: to do is score and transition fine shooters and hang defensively.

437
00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:23,480
Speaker 2: And I think this is going to be really nice

438
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:23,920
Speaker 2: for LA.

439
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Though, the question of whether he starts is fascinating

440
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 1: because John Wall has always started. I think it's something like,

441
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 1: I think he's barely come off the bench in his

442
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,159
Speaker 1: NBA career. I think it's a handful of times, probably games.

443
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 1: I think twelve games, okay, probably half of that so

444
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,400
Speaker 1: as a rookie or nearly that something like that. So yeah,

445
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Speaker 1: does he continue to start. I also think John Wall,

446
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,640
Speaker 1: in my head is like thirty six years old and

447
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 1: he's he's like thirty one, what is he thirty two? Yeah,

448
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 1: you know he's just missed thirty two at the start

449
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 1: of the season. Sure, yeah, Okay, he's missed like really

450
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 1: prime years here of these last three years because of injury,

451
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 1: which is really unfortunate despite playing those forty games, like

452
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,680
Speaker 1: you said, seasons ago. But will he start with PG

453
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 1: and Kawhi and Marcus Morris and it sounds like they're

454
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Speaker 1: probably resigning zubots or does Reggie Jackson still start? And

455
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,679
Speaker 1: is John wall get to operate with your you know,

456
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 1: Powells and Man's and Covington's and stuff like that. Both

457
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 1: of those scenarios I could see working quite well. It's

458
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 1: just so we'll see what the agreement is there and

459
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 1: how Tyler you can get these guys to buy in

460
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 1: the Clippers. I mean, they went forty two and forty

461
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,679
Speaker 1: last year, right eliminated there in the playing game, like

462
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,119
Speaker 1: you said, and they're missing guys, but forty two and

463
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,199
Speaker 1: like they're good, they're not. They were not bad. I

464
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Speaker 1: think they went completely under the raidar No one was

465
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 1: really talking about them because he never saw them really

466
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 1: as a threat without their star players. But holy crap,

467
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Speaker 1: if these guys play. People are convinced like like this

468
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Speaker 1: is the this is the team that's going to challenge

469
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: the Warriors, like they are immediately put to that level.

470
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Speaker 1: Do you agree with that? If if healthy, which is

471
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Speaker 1: a big.

472
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Speaker 2: If with them, But yeah, I guess that's a huge

473
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Speaker 2: if considering that three of their main players are going

474
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Speaker 2: to be Kawhi, Paul George, and John Wall, all of

475
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Speaker 2: whom have missed quite a bit of time in the

476
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Speaker 2: past couple of seasons.

477
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I would be bullish on the Clippers.

478
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,199
Speaker 2: They've got a ton of depth and all guys that

479
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,119
Speaker 2: kind of play similarly, they really hit on that small

480
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 2: ball style when they beat the when they beat the

481
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Speaker 2: Jazz in the Bubble.

482
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Speaker 1: A few years back.

483
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Speaker 2: And John Wall's gonna be able to play alongside those guys.

484
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Speaker 2: I think he'll be able to play in small ball lineups,

485
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 2: probably with Reggie Jackson. And at that point it's like

486
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 2: Reggie Jackson, John Wall, Paul George, and Kawhi like good luck.

487
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 2: That's for ball handlers who can get their own shot

488
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 2: anytime they want to and space the floor around whoever

489
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Speaker 2: does happen to have the ball.

490
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Speaker 1: So they played defense.

491
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Speaker 2: John Wall's gonna continue, not going to jeopardize them defensively,

492
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Speaker 2: I don't think, and they'll be a little bit better

493
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Speaker 2: on offense. They were only twenty fourth in the league

494
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Speaker 2: last year, but adding Kawhi most importantly, and then whatever

495
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Speaker 2: they can get from John Wall I think will be huge.

496
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 2: Like I was surprised with the way Victor Oladipo played

497
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Speaker 2: after having a pretty solid layoff and you know, having

498
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Speaker 2: to take basically a season to get.

499
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Speaker 1: His body right. He did that and look great for

500
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Speaker 1: Miami in the postseason.

501
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 2: So if the Clippers are able to get something similar

502
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Speaker 2: from John Wall, I think that would be a huge

503
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 2: found piece. For just you know, six million dollars, you're

504
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 2: not getting a lot of impact players for the mid

505
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Speaker 2: level section, but John Wall could be that.

506
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it sounds like the Clippers are aggresively trying

507
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Speaker 1: to get Mitchell Robinson in here too. If the Knicks

508
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,360
Speaker 1: are continuing to open up cap space there now it's

509
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: if Mitt Well, even if Mitchell Robinson doesn't join the

510
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 1: Clippers because of the mid level exception, using that on Wall,

511
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Speaker 1: I think the Clippers would only have the minimum to

512
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Speaker 1: offer Isaiah Hartenstein, which is their backup center who's actually

513
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: like a decent backup center. I know that name like

514
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 1: makes a lot of people probably roll their eyes, but

515
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 1: he's decent and so unlikely he's going to stick there,

516
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 1: especially Mitchell Robinson comes, but I'm high on Mitchell Robinson.

517
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: I like him on that team too, Like an athletic,

518
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 1: big run in guy like that. So we'll see clips.

519
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: This is fascinating already Loaded West could just get even

520
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,400
Speaker 1: better if they can stay healthy. Though, I will say

521
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Speaker 1: I would like stat muse to slow down a little

522
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 1: bit when you drop Is this the best big three

523
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: in the league? With photos of Kawhi, Paul George and

524
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: John Wall like, oh my god, relax. I mean, I know,

525
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 1: it's just it's just engagement, that's all they're They're farming away,

526
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 1: they're getting clicks, they're getting comments. But come on, come on,

527
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: it's not Is it the best three in the league

528
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 1: in the league?

529
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 2: Could it be the Golden State Warriors who just won

530
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Speaker 2: the NBA Championship.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I would also say I would put the Bucks

532
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,199
Speaker 1: above them, like instantaneously, I'm sorry, I'm taking Jannis Middleton

533
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: and Drew Holiday over guys that don't even play half

534
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 1: the time. In Kawhi uh PG and John Wall. But yeah,

535
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: that's a that's a classic stat News move there. So

536
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 1: good on them and they got they got me looking

537
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: at it. What John Wall suddenly a part of a

538
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: big three? Look, this is a nice piece. You said it,

539
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: six million dollars? Love it And if he can give

540
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: them Oladipo like performance even maybe more. Uh, that's that's

541
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: awesome for a team that is very deep. They almost

542
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: have dare I say they almost have too many guys?

543
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that got a hell of They got

544
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: a deep team.

545
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Speaker 2: They've got an awesome like second line basically coming in

546
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Speaker 2: it'll be Norman Powell. Who else is sticking around there,

547
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 2: Terrence man At, whichever of these centers that they get.

548
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: You know, I've seen Nerlins. Noel has also been a

549
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: rumor for them.

550
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 2: He could play alongside those guys.

551
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: Canard can shoot the three.

552
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, we thought last year at the trade deadline when

553
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 2: they picked up Powell and Covington. Good move for last season,

554
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 2: even more important for this season going forward because it

555
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 2: gives them tons of depth.

556
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: They've got so many wing guys.

557
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 2: You know we talked about with John Holland are going

558
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 2: into the NBA Draft everybody wants wings. Everybody wants wings

559
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 2: who can play defense, and the Clippers already had like

560
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 2: ten of them, and now they're getting John Wall who's

561
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 2: not necessarily a wing but got some wing like qualities

562
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 2: and probably can guard some bigger guys as well. So yeah,

563
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 2: the Clippers got to be feeling pretty good. And like

564
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 2: when you're the Clippers and like you're saying, skeets, is

565
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 2: this the best Big three? Probably not, because we don't

566
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 2: know how often these guys are gonna be on the court.

567
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: You would rather have a backup for every single one

568
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 2: of your rotation, just ready to go and slide into

569
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 2: the starting lineup, no problem.

570
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, And look when it comes to the Clippers and

571
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 1: like how far they go it all hinges on Kawhi. Yes,

572
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: it's done. I love Paul George, John Wall, N's edition

573
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: deep team all that great, you know, well coached with Tyleru.

574
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: It only matters how what if Kawhi is playing and

575
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: what he looks like, because we've seen him like with

576
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 1: two other franchises, when he looks like a top three guy,

577
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: like be enough to take a team to you know,

578
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 1: to the to the championship and stuff like that. Way

579
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: back with Spurs of course had a lot of talent

580
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: around them, but then of course with the Raptors there

581
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: into those nineteen So that's that's the ultimate question. And yeah,

582
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: thank you for I think the Stream team was helping

583
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: me out there too, or helping you out like I

584
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 1: think I said Mitchell Robinson, I met nerlins Dowell as

585
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: the likely Nicks big I believe rumored to be going

586
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: to the Clippers, So I was getting those mixed up there.

587
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: But people are just saying the Clippers are cursed, so

588
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:56,239
Speaker 1: nothing good's gonna happen to them.

589
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 2: We'll see, Yeah, I saw that as from Mike Avalone

590
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 2: and this Stream team, the Clippers could do it this year.

591
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, for like ten plus years.

592
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 2: Honestly, like you hear the dumb stuff about the Clippers curse,

593
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 2: but it always comes back to injuries. And the Clippers

594
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 2: have had a lot of seasons derailed by injuries, and

595
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 2: they're going forward with two injury prone guys, So we

596
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 2: will see how it plays up. Injuries affect every single

597
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 2: NBA season. You just can't predict them. But when Kawhi

598
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 2: Leonard is on the court, your team is a championship

599
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 2: contender and they've got contributors around him as well.

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Speaker 1: All Right, A a little piece of news here. I

601
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: guess this is more of a question, and this has

602
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: to do with the Hornets and Miles Bridges. So there

603
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: are reports tray that the Hornets are not offering Miles

604
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: Bridges a Max steal. There are also reports that the

605
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: Pistons are very interested in acquiring one Miles Bridges. So

606
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: that's the part that's interesting to me, Like, should the

607
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: Pistons be very aggressive in trying to acquire a guy

608
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: like Miles Bridges with what they've done at the draft

609
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: and the moves they've made in getting off of Grant?

610
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 2: What do you think Miles Bridges would be awesome on

611
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 2: the Hornets. I think a twenty point per game score

612
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 2: his three points. Yeah, yeah, Miles Bridges to the Pistons

613
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 2: I think would be huge. Well, I say you said

614
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: on the Hornets, but I know you honestly, I think

615
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: it'd be awesome on the Hornets as well.

616
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: He is. Yeah, I can understand the Hornets.

617
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 2: From the Hornets perspective, I can understand them not offering

618
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 2: him a MAX deal since he's a restricted free agent.

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00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: But if you're the.

620
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: Pistons, is it a smart move to maxim Miles Bridges.

621
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe before your team actually gets expensive with extensions

622
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 2: for Cad and Jade and Ivy down the road during

623
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 2: Isaiah Stewart Bay. All of those guys are gonna have

624
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 2: to be paid at some point, so maybe it's smart

625
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 2: to use your cap room now before you've got to

626
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 2: start paying your own drafted guys. And he would fit

627
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,719
Speaker 2: really nice alongside Cad, alongside Jade and Ivy. It feels

628
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 2: like the Pistons are going to be an up tempo

629
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 2: team just from their draft picks and from the way

630
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 2: they've been building recently. There's a spot there on the

631
00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 2: wing for him. Alongside Sadik Bay. They would probably into

632
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 2: a little bit of a small ball look, or at

633
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 2: least a stretchy sort of look, which is, you know,

634
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 2: the way that teams win in the NBA these days.

635
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 2: So if I'm the Pistons, a local guy as well

636
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 2: played at Michigan State, I would one hundred percent be

637
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 2: in on it. But if I'm the Hornets, I'm like, yeah,

638
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 2: go get your max deal from somewhere, and then the

639
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: Hornets have to magic because there's no way they can

640
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: let him go. Maybe it you know ruffles his feathers

641
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,719
Speaker 2: a little bit that you didn't come out and give

642
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,239
Speaker 2: him the max deal right away. Maybe you end up

643
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 2: having to sign him to a worse or at least

644
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 2: a less team friendly deal because he gets some sort

645
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: of poison pill contract from from the Pistons. But I

646
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 2: assume that Miles Bridges is going to be a Hornet

647
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 2: at the beginning of next season just because he's a

648
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 2: good young player who has a potential to be a

649
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 2: great young player. So I don't see how they can

650
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: let him walk. But if I was the Pistons, like

651
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: that would be probably my number one target, ahead of

652
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: a Jalen Brunson, who I know they were rumored to

653
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: be interested in heading into the offseason. I think that's

654
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 2: probably gone at this point with the way the draft

655
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 2: went down for them, But I wouldn't. If I'm the Pistons,

656
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 2: I'm chasing him, no doubt.

657
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: So how are you ranking? If the Pistons have, like,

658
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: you know, their their chalkboard in their office and they're

659
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: putting them in order, and the three names are Aton,

660
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: Bridges and Brunson, what's the one two three for? Like?

661
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: All right? Him first, him, second, him third? Sounds like

662
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: Brunts and third because of the IVY. Yeah, I mean,

663
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: I guess it's a toss up between eight and and Bridges.

664
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 2: I would probably say that Ayton is the guy I

665
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 2: would still have as their number one target, just because

666
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 2: I think we've seen him have a little bit of

667
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 2: a track record of performing in huge situations. The guy

668
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 2: almost had a big beef in the NBA Finals, was

669
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 2: one of the leaders in double doubles this season. He's young,

670
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 2: he's looking to improve, and he would certainly fit in

671
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 2: with their style. Whereas their centers. Now, you've got Isaiah Stewart,

672
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 2: who's a good player, but most likely a backup, big

673
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 2: and energy guy for the most part, and who knows

674
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 2: what Duran's going to become. He could be in a

675
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 2: star for sure, or he could just be one of

676
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: these random super athletic rim running centers who is a

677
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 2: quality player, but it doesn't take you to the next

678
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 2: level where eight and I think could expand his game.

679
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 2: And even if he doesn't totally expand his game, what

680
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 2: he would be bringing to the Pistons would be a

681
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 2: nice role guy, a defensive presence who can move his

682
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 2: feet and still young, like that's a that's definitely a

683
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: guy they should be chasing as well.

684
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you think either of those two Eton Bridges,

685
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: like the Pistons, aren't overplaying their summer, you know what

686
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: I mean, they're not getting ahead of themselves in terms

687
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: of rebuilding because of the age of those two guys,

688
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: Like you don't think it's like they're not like going

689
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: from obviously a lottery team to like, oh, we're gonna

690
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: be a eight seed right away, like because you can

691
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: fall into that trap a bit. But sounds like because

692
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: of the ages of Bridges and Eton, that to you

693
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: is not a as big a deal because there's you know,

694
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: they're close to the timeline of your of basically your

695
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: rookies or your second years players.

696
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right. If these were thirty year old players,

697
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 2: it would be a different story. Yeah, considering they're in

698
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 2: their twenties their early twenties with a chance to improve.

699
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 2: And you've got Kid who is a really good player

700
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 2: who could instantly make the like we've seen Trey Young

701
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 2: make the leap in his second year, we saw Luca obviously,

702
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: I mean, these are some of the biggest stars in

703
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 2: the league. So who knows if Kid gets to that level,

704
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 2: But he was a number one draft pick for a reason.

705
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 2: It's not unreasonable to think that after playing one year

706
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 2: in the NBA, having a full summer of training, that

707
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 2: he could make the leap as well. Beefing up around him, I,

708
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 2: you know, and winning some more games I think is fine.

709
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: I don't think they would be mortgaging their future chasing

710
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 2: guys in the you know, twenty four year olds.

711
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: James Edwards is the third at the Athletic Go to

712
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: the Athletic dot com slash no dune to get a subscription.

713
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: He you know, is talking about how the Pistons have

714
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: all this cap space still and what they could do

715
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: with it. And we're talking about like obviously trying to

716
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: sign guys or maybe signing trades and stuff like that

717
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: with Eaton. But he had a couple of interesting trades

718
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: I just wanted to throw at you that don't involve

719
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: those two names that we're talking about. He said, they

720
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: could be one of these teams that helps out the

721
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: Hornets with Gordon Hayward because they could take obviously that

722
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: big thirty million dollars contract there, but get some things back.

723
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: He threw out Piston's receive Hayward and let's go back

724
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: to car talk baby PJ. Washington the Chevy tracks of

725
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: the NBA in exchange for like Kelly Olynnock and saban Lee.

726
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: So he threw out that one. I'll move on here.

727
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 1: I like this one a lot. I don't know if

728
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: the Heat would do it, but could they get Duncan

729
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: Robinson add some shooting to that team and maybebe get

730
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 1: a pick from the Heat in exchange for Corey Joseph

731
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: and saban Lee James Edward. The third has saban Lee

732
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: and a lot of these as like a young guy

733
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 1: but probably sort of pushed out a little bit. And

734
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: then the third one he had, you know again, it's

735
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 1: the idea of getting a little scoring, maybe a little

736
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: veteran ship there Evan Fournier and picks from the Knicks,

737
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: probably one first round or one second rounder for Corey

738
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 1: Joseph or something like that to get so they get

739
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: like a backup guard there. But any thoughts on any

740
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: of those. I really liked the Duncan Rombinson. I love

741
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: the idea of the Pistons trying to get a little

742
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: more shooting. That's the thing with Miles Bridges, even he's

743
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: shown before that he can be a forty percent three

744
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: point shooter. But then it's like it fell back to

745
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: earth there last year, right, So which one are you getting?

746
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: Is it somewhere in the middle. Okay, you can live

747
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: with that, But yeah, what do you think of those

748
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: from James the third there?

749
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 2: I think it's smart from the Pistons, and I think

750
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 2: that it's very likely because Troy Weaver is a Sam

751
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 2: Presty disciple, and that is a Sam Presty move. Let's

752
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: keep our cap sheet clean. We will accept your unwonted contract. Yeah,

753
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,240
Speaker 2: maybe rebuild that player's value even a little bit. Trade

754
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: that player for an asset further down the line, and

755
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 2: in the meantime, we'll take an asset when you give

756
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 2: us that undesirable contract. You know, the twenty twenty three

757
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 2: first round pick for the Pistons is already traded right now,

758
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 2: so I'm sure they would love to recruit a pick

759
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 2: right there to continue their rebuild. So yeah, I can

760
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 2: definitely see that happen. I mean, Gordon Hayward would be

761
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 2: a quality player for them. I still he's a good Gord.

762
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: You know, he's helpful, he gives you the veteran presence,

763
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 2: he can handle the ball, he can shoot from outside.

764
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: He's going to miss a ton of games, so you're

765
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 2: still staying in the lottery. So yeah, I can definitely

766
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: see that happen. It's not unlike what the thunder do.

767
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 2: Like Al Horford was a thund, Derek Fabers was a thunder.

768
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 2: There's always some random guy that's going to be there.

769
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: Why not if you're the Pistons.

770
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I the Fournier from the Knicks, I'm

771
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: less interested in. I get it you would be doing

772
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: it for picks and stuff like that, but those other

773
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 1: two are intriguing to me. Yeah, Hayward and PJ. Washington

774
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: for a Linik and Lee or even the idea of

775
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: like can you get Duncan Robinson and maybe a pick

776
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: for a couple of players going back that are not

777
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: really in your rotation or you know, long term plans.

778
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: We'll see they got options, no doubt. Detroit with a man.

779
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: I can't believe how much Pistons talk we've had over

780
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: the last couple couple. Yeah, on fire Man, it's it's

781
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: a smart move for them to do something. And maybe

782
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: Duncan Robinson is the move because he's still a younger player,

783
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: He's got a huge contract, and I see in the

784
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: in the stream team here they're saying, I don't know

785
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: if I would want to pay him that. When you

786
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 1: look at the cap sheet for the Detroit Pistons, they've got.

787
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 2: Fifteen million dollars on the books for the twenty three

788
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,959
Speaker 2: to twenty four season, and then two point eight million

789
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 2: on the books right now for the season after that.

790
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 2: They can afford to take on a bad contract. And

791
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 2: you know, maybe Robinson getting a chance to play with

792
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 2: no pressure here where he's not expected to be a

793
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,439
Speaker 2: contributor for a number one seed in the conference, gives

794
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 2: you a little bit of something.

795
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: And then guess what.

796
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 2: Shooting is always always in the mix in the NBA.

797
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 2: Somebody is always gonna want a shoot her. Maybe down

798
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 2: the line, when you only got to pay one year

799
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 2: of Duncan Robinson, Hey we're getting another first round.

800
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: Draft pick back. That's not a bad one, yep. I

801
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: want to get your take on what the Knicks are

802
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: doing and who they're going for, and whether you think

803
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: it would be wise for them to pay Jalen Brunson,

804
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: let's say, one hundred million dollars to come and be

805
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: the point guard for the New York Knicks because I

806
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: feel like this one has like the pendulum on this

807
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: one is swung from one side, like this guy's so underrated,

808
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: gonna get paid rightfully. So to then, now with the

809
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 1: Knicks appearing to be pretty aggressive and trying to open

810
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: cap space for him, everybody going, what you're opening up

811
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: caps for jailing Brunson? Like this is the guy? This

812
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: is the sweepstakes. Like this is like when you're on

813
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: prices right and you're hoping for the new car or

814
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: the new boat, and it's like a it's like a desk,

815
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: you know, it's like a vacuum. You're like, I could

816
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: just buy a fucking vacuum. Okay, it's a great. Well

817
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: I'm just saying now, I want to make it clear

818
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 1: I don't think that. But this is where you're seeing

819
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 1: a lot of Knicks fans fall and other people out

820
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: there like what what?

821
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 3: What?

822
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: Hold on? Not Jalen Brunson. You don't give a hundred

823
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: million dollars to but what's what do you think?

824
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 2: I remember during the season skeets we were talking about

825
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson and where he might end up next year.

826
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: He had been playing really well. He was great against

827
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 2: the Jazz in the playoffs. But during the season, I

828
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 2: even said, if I'm the Knicks, I make it so

829
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,959
Speaker 2: expensive for the Dallas Mavericks to even try and sign

830
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson. Clear as much cap space as you can

831
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 2: and throw the bag at him. And now that they're

832
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 2: doing it, I'm like, I've already got two dysons, you know,

833
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, I'm I necessarily want to do that,

834
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: but I think the Knicks are going to do it.

835
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: Is what it comes down to, is it feels like

836
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 2: they're clearing cap space right now. Obviously they've got these

837
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 2: big man moves we've been talking about. Evan fourtier could

838
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 2: be dealt as well. And the Knicks haven't had a

839
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 2: good point guard in twenty years, and their last good

840
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 2: point guard maybe you would say, like old Jason kid

841
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 2: when he just stand around the outside and swung the

842
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 2: ball around, or even Charlie Ward who was.

843
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: A football player.

844
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 2: It's been a long time since there's been a good

845
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 2: point guard in New York City. Brunson has a little

846
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 2: bit of history there with his dad being a nick

847
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 2: back in the nineties. His dad now a coach there

848
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 2: as well, so it definitely feels like the tea leads

849
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 2: are pointing towards Brunson becoming a Nick, and I don't know,

850
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: maybe it's worth it. You know, these little one year,

851
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: one in one two year deals for average veterans has

852
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 2: not worked for the Knicks, Nor has trying to keep

853
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 2: their cap space clean hoping that somebody will finally decide

854
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 2: to come there. That hasn't worked either. So maybe just

855
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 2: getting a really good player in Jalen Brunson who still

856
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 2: has a chance to develop into something more with the

857
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 2: ball in his hands a little bit more as one

858
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 2: of the number one options.

859
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: Maybe that works.

860
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 2: Not to mention, they would be very confusing to guard.

861
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 2: If their three best players are Jalen Brunson a lefty, R. J. Barrett,

862
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 2: a lefty, and Julius Randall, a lefty. I think that's

863
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 2: worth at least two wins during the regular seas. Oh wow,

864
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: the course of eighty two games. You just forget, you

865
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 2: just forget. Oh yeah, he's left handed. He gets an

866
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,720
Speaker 2: easy basket at the rim. Oh you lost by two suckers,

867
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 2: So yeah, here, yeah, the lefty bump. Is this the

868
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:28,919
Speaker 2: best big three in the league.

869
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's the only left handed big three

870
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: in the league. All though, I let stat use tweet

871
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: that before I respond, I need to see the three

872
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: photos of the guys Brunton, Barrett and Randall. Yeah. You

873
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 1: just know though when they do, because I'm with you,

874
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: it's feeling more and more likely we're getting towards later

875
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: this week at least the Knicks offering four years a

876
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: hundred million. I don't know it's going to be around that.

877
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: I think four years the high nineties, something like that.

878
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: I think the MAVs are hoping they get Brunton for

879
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: four and you know, eighty eight something like that. Maybe

880
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: four for eighty they'd be laughing. I think it's gonna

881
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: cost more than that at this point, and how he

882
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: played in the playoffs at times, and what he did

883
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: in the regular season. He's only twenty five years old.

884
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: He feels like he's thirty five to me too, He's

885
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: got sort of the game of a thirty five year

886
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: old and less of a twenty five year old. But

887
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 1: I just know, whatever happens here later this week, Knicks

888
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: fans are gonna go crazy, or some at least will

889
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 1: and saying, oh my god, I can't believe we're paying

890
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: this guy twenty five million dollars. Like this guy, this

891
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: is I think they're gonna be so wrong. I love it.

892
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the Mavericks should be doing a

893
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: lot in their power to keep this guy because you're

894
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: still I mean, I know it's Luca's team and all that,

895
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: but like he's good, He's really good. He's just not

896
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,919
Speaker 1: dunking on fools, and he's you know, not throwing behind

897
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: the back dimes every second night. That's okay. Van Vliet

898
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: doesn't do that.

899
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 3: You know.

900
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: I guy turned into an All Star. I guy won

901
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 1: a championship. You gotta vote from Ubi Brown for crying

902
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: out loud in the NBA Finals for Finals MVP. So

903
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: I I'm actually like going the other away with this,

904
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: Like I think the Knicks are doing the right move

905
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: here if they can land this guy, because I think

906
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 1: he's just gonna be, like you said, a solid you know,

907
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 1: I want RJ. Barrett to play with a damn pointcard,

908
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: like somebody that can like like help him grow as

909
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: a player and turn him and maybe the superstar. So

910
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: I like it personally, No, I get it. You don't

911
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 1: want to bend over backwards and trade like have to

912
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: attach a bunch of picks to guys to get like

913
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: them off your books and stuff like that. Yeah, you

914
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: don't want to go overboard, but these little moves that

915
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: they're making around the fringes here, I'm I'm fine with it.

916
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: But we'll see. Maybe the MAVs in the end will

917
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: just keep them and this will all be for nought. Yeah.

918
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 2: I do think it would actually be worse for the

919
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 2: MAVs than for the Knicks if Brunson signs with the Knicks,

920
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 2: because there's gonna be tough for the Mavericks to replace

921
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 2: what Jalen Brunson gave them, and they're already at a

922
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 2: point where we're like, Luca's a little overtaxed, right, he

923
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 2: needs somebody alongside him to make plays as well when

924
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 2: he goes to the bench for those twelve to eight

925
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: minutes a game, eight to twelve minutes if you're saying

926
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 2: it the non Leeels way, when he goes to the bench,

927
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 2: somebody's gotta take over the rains. Now, Tim Hardaway Junior

928
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 2: will be coming back for the MAVs, which definitely helps,

929
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 2: but losing a player of Brunson's caliber who still has

930
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 2: a chance to progress in his career. I think would

931
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 2: be really really bad for a MAVs team that got

932
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 2: kind of close to the NBA Finals last year. You know,

933
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 2: they ran into the Warriors. Some idiots like me picked

934
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 2: them to beat the Warriors. Did not happen, but it

935
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 2: wasn't because of Brnson. Right, there's there were a team

936
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 2: that seems like they're on an upward trajectory, and you

937
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 2: don't want to lose probably your second most impactful player

938
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 2: after Luca for nothing. So yeah, I think it would

939
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 2: be worse for Dallas than for New York if it

940
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 2: goes this way. And honestly, like twenty five million dollars

941
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 2: or starting point guard, it's that's fair, you know. I

942
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: mean it's who like you're I'm looking here at hoops hype,

943
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 2: so you're like Terry Rosier twenty one million, Malcolm Brogden

944
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,959
Speaker 2: twenty two point six, Mike Conley twenty two point six.

945
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: I think it's a fair contract. Totally totally agree with that.

946
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: And what a novel concept, Hey Nicks bringing a guy

947
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: who's proven to be a winning player in college even

948
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: in his short NBA career, Uh, you know, like he

949
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: makes a difference. So this this I this makes sense.

950
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: I think they're doing the right thing here. Now is

951
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: it straight? Like is it strange with the whole let's

952
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: bring dad in and stuff like that. It's just the yeah,

953
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: well look if they got to get if they got

954
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: to do that to get there, because you know the

955
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: MAVs can match here, then they're getting creative. Look, unfortunately,

956
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: the Nicks are gonna sign them, and he's gonna blow

957
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: out his knee like twenty games in the season, so

958
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: that's gonna happen. But anyway, I'm high on it. But

959
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 1: let's hear from the stream team. I know there are

960
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 1: differing opinions on Jayleen Bruntson and he's worth in this league,

961
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 1: and sure the Knicks like really try and get him.

962
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: You know, he's this undersized guy and all that. But uh,

963
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: that's part of the fun here. Final one here, Trey,

964
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: or at least the last one I have on my list,

965
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: and then we can jump around if you want. It's

966
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: a trade rumor, and uh, this one, there's a lot

967
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: of a lot of smoke with this one, and it's

968
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: sort of fascinating. So the Atlanta Hawks and the San

969
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: Antonio Spurs are discussing the trade centered around all star

970
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: point guard de Jonte Murray. According to Zach Klein of

971
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: ABC Atlanta and Jake Fisher of Bleacher Report, he's been

972
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 1: sort of reporting about this for a while now.

973
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 3: Now.

974
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: Interestingly, the proposed deal as of late is not involving

975
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: John Collins going back to the Spurs. Instead, it would

976
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: be based on the partially guaranteed contract of the rooster

977
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: Danilo Gallinari. It's a spicy one, and multiple draft picks,

978
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 1: So this is really based around a package of picks

979
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: for de Jontay Murray. I know we have touched on

980
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: this before. I think we thought Collins might be involved.

981
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 1: What do you make of this rumor? Do you buy

982
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: buy it at all? What is going on from both sides?

983
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: How about it?

984
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: I don't know that we've heard from both sides yet.

985
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 2: This sounds to me like in Atlanta Hawks originated sort

986
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 2: of rumor. Sure, we're going to trade an expiring contract

987
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 2: for an current All Star. Yeah, that definitely while not

988
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 2: trading our second best player as well, that definitely seems

989
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 2: more beneficial to the Atlanta Hawks. Not to mention, the

990
00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 2: Spurs are not a leaky organization in general, so.

991
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: To me, it definitely feels more Atlanta.

992
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 2: Themed than San Antonio themed. If I'm the Hawks, yeah,

993
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: I would love to do it. Add to Jonte Murray,

994
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 2: to John Collins and Tree Young. Come on, is this

995
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 2: the best big three in the league.

996
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: We're talking about it.

997
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 2: I don't know about that, but I think the Hawks

998
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 2: need to get a little better. They need to add

999
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 2: a better second player than John Collins. And I think

1000
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: the Jonte Murray would be that his career also on

1001
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 2: an upwards shut trajectory.

1002
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: And maybe the.

1003
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 2: Spurs are kind of like the perfect team to do

1004
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 2: this with because we saw the way they got Tim

1005
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:35,959
Speaker 2: Duncan back in the day, the way they got David

1006
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 2: Robinson back in the day. There's a huge prospect coming

1007
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 2: into the league next season, and you have to wonder

1008
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 2: just where the Spurs at in the Western Conference when

1009
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 2: we see teams like the Warriors are still around. The

1010
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 2: Suns won sixty four games last year, The Mavericks have Luca,

1011
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 2: the Clippers are reloading this season. It ain't the time

1012
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 2: for the Spurs right now. But if he had Victor

1013
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 2: wembin Yama and maybe it's your time five years down

1014
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 2: the line, it's the perfect team to plant those smoke signals.

1015
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 2: So it doesn't seem to me very likely that this

1016
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 2: would get done. It just does not seem like a

1017
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: huge return for de Jonte Murray to me, unless we

1018
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 2: hear that the picks are like incredible picks. But I

1019
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 2: mean then you're like Trey Young, de Jontay Murray, John

1020
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,720
Speaker 2: Collins probably not even a lottery pick.

1021
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: At that point, right.

1022
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess the thought then is that the Spurs

1023
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 2: pick would be so good that they have their chance

1024
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 2: at whoever it is.

1025
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: But uh, I don't know.

1026
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 2: It feels like a little bit more smoky than actual

1027
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 2: fire here. But weird things happen. You just don't hear

1028
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 2: about them with the Spurs before they happen.

1029
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, I saw your tweet about like the

1030
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: parallels to like maybe this if the Spurs were to

1031
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: do this, the idea of what they did, like with

1032
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: getting dunkin back in the day, like really leaning in

1033
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,479
Speaker 1: towards the tank. Now, the difference is back then, of course,

1034
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: it's like we've got these flat and dots. I mean,

1035
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: you're like, it's it's a crapshoot, like you could be

1036
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: one of the worst teams in the league. But it's like,

1037
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: what are your it's like a fourteen percent chance you're

1038
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: even getting the number one pick to take the French kid. Like,

1039
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: it's like it's not a lock. I mean, there's gonna

1040
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: be Like it looks like the Pistons are obviously going

1041
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: to be trying to be a bit better, and they

1042
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: should be. And you know, we know the Calves are

1043
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 1: sort of there on their rise and they were already

1044
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: like Flirton as a playoff team. But like, okay, the

1045
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,919
Speaker 1: Rockets are gonna be brutal, probably still just with their youth.

1046
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: Who I mean, there's only a handful, I get that,

1047
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: but it's still these even if you win fifteen games,

1048
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: the other team wins, you know, twenty five games but

1049
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 1: they're in the bottom three or whatever, then it's like

1050
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: you got the same odds. So it's a that's a

1051
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: hell of a risk if this were to happen and

1052
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: the Spurs were like really hoping for it. Yeah, it

1053
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: was a risk back then though too.

1054
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 2: I think the Celtics were convinced they were getting Tim

1055
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 2: Duncan as well, just like they were convinced they were

1056
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 2: getting Greg Odin. There's always lottery losers out there, But

1057
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 2: if you're a lottery winner, it changes your franchise. So

1058
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 2: as we saw with the seventy six ers, sometimes that's

1059
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 2: the smart thing to do, uh kind of. I mean,

1060
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 2: I don't know that it's totally worked for the Sixers.

1061
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 2: They're better than they were. They've got four seeds rather

1062
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 2: than eight seeds. But that's the thing is that the

1063
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 2: Spurs definitely feel like maybe the third tier in the

1064
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 2: Western Conference, like a play in contender team. Maybe at

1065
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 2: their best they can get to a sixth seed. That

1066
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: seems a little unreasonable to me. Adding more high level talent,

1067
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 2: obviously you're getting uh, you're getting better. But uh yeah,

1068
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 2: there's not a ton of bad teams yet. I guess

1069
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 2: we'll still be talking about OKAC in Houston at the

1070
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 2: bottom of the Western Conference. Yeah, I would say Orlando

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Speaker 2: and Indiana seems like it's going to be going the

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Speaker 2: youth movement way if they are able to move Brogden

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Speaker 2: and Turner. But those seem to be the bottom four teams.

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Speaker 2: There's usually five teams. Maybe the Spurs decide they want

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Speaker 2: to be one of those five teams.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yah, yeah. Thunder Kings I guess are always unfortunately there.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, we'll see. It's it's crazy. Look, I think

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00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: the Hawks should be very aggressive if this is real,

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Speaker 1: and hey, do some pick swaps, do some picks. I

1080
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 1: think that's a hell of a backcourt there in Trey

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00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 1: Young and Murray. That is really fun. And you've still

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00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,919
Speaker 1: got other talent on the roster, some defensive minded guys

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00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: Hunter and k and kong Wu and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: And then it sounds like Colin is still gonna be moved,

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00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: so they should do it. But Willis Spurs do that,

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Speaker 1: or they just like seeing what the interest is into

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Speaker 1: Johntay Murray's or another team that's gonna like, we'll give

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00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: you even more for someone like him. Uh, it is

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00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 1: strange that it's coming from sor it's just a team

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Speaker 1: in San Antonio being even in rumors like this with

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00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: an all star point guard. It's just weird. It doesn't

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00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 1: happen a lot. So maybe it is all Hawk side

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Speaker 1: of things and they're trying to just get other teams

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00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,720
Speaker 1: fired up, and like, oh the Hawks are They're aggressive,

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00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 1: they want to trade some picks. They got Collins, Okay,

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Speaker 1: give him a call. See Whichlank wants to do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think with the way the season went

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00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 2: for the Hawks last year, the kind of malaise they

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00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 2: played through the first half of the season and to

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Speaker 2: the point where Travis Slank was like, we shouldn't have

1101
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 2: run it back. I should have made more moves. It

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00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 2: seems to me that he really wants to John Say

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00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 2: Murray because that's a really nice pairing alongside Trey Young.

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00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 2: Murray plays defense, He's got more size than Trey Young.

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00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 2: Cud have all be able to guard the twos. You

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00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 2: would be able to play Tray off the ball a

1107
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 2: little bit, kind of unlock that part of the Steph

1108
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,760
Speaker 2: Curry game with him running around screens.

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00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: The Hawks need to consolidate some.

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00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 2: Of their players to go a little bit further, and

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00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 2: Murray would look nice next to TREYO.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's call it there. Unless there's any other

1113
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 1: names in free agency or trade rumors that you want

1114
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: to touch on, like who I guess, let me ask

1115
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: you like this, who do you think come Friday or

1116
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: maybe even Thursday there night, who's gonna be like the

1117
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: biggest name free agency wise or maybe linked to a

1118
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: trade as well, like that we're gonna get here at

1119
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: the end of the week. Is what's your prediction? Say

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00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: Malcolm Brogden. Okay, Okay, So I think Malcolm Brogden is

1121
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 1: gonna be a Wizard. Okay, you think that's gonna happen.

1122
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:45,280
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be a wizard.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like Bradley Beal's gonna be getting a pretty

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00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 2: big deal here from the Wizards. Their starting point guard

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00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 2: right now would be Ish Smith, a nice guy to

1126
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 2: have on your team as a backup point guard, but

1127
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 2: there's definitely a huge hole in the starting line up there,

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00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 2: and Brogden is a good player, you know. I think

1129
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 2: that after his Rookie of the Year season, maybe he

1130
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 2: didn't progress as far as people wanted, or maybe it

1131
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 2: went as well as people thought it was going to.

1132
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 2: Like he came in as an older player and kind

1133
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 2: of just was good right away and has stayed pretty good.

1134
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 2: But pretty good would be better than what the Wizards

1135
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 2: have had at the point guard spot for the past

1136
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 2: couple of seasons.

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00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. It sounds like Zach Lavine ain't leaving

1138
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: your Bulls. It does sound like Beale is gonna take

1139
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: that big payday and then we'll see whether that's a

1140
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: great idea from the Wizards and how many years he

1141
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 1: lasts there. You know, James Harden, I don't think anyone

1142
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: believes is truly going anywhere. It sounds like they're aggressively

1143
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: going after p J. Tucker, who still might get like

1144
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,919
Speaker 1: a three year deal. Good for him, that's in play.

1145
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:46,240
Speaker 1: We already talked about Miles Bridges. You know, it quickly

1146
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: sort of drops off after a lot of these like oh,

1147
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: there's DeAndre eight and what the Sons do with him?

1148
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 2: And the Gobert knows is kind of dried up recently,

1149
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 2: and we had a lot of go bear rumors during

1150
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 2: the finals, during the conference finals, but Jazz seemed to

1151
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: be playing pretty close to the vest right now.

1152
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they right, they don't even have a coach

1153
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: right now, And yeah, that's a good point. I'd totally

1154
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: forgotten about him. So we'll see. Look, let's do the

1155
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 1: opposite of what we did on Draft night, where we

1156
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: were like, oh, it's gonna be a million trades, it's

1157
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: gonna be amazing, big deal, left a big deal. Then

1158
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: basically nothing happened. Let's pretend or say nothing's going to

1159
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: happen this week. We're not even going to be back

1160
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,240
Speaker 1: to do an emergency podcast. There will be no point.

1161
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 1: And if we say that, then we know the opposite way.

1162
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: It's Murphy's law. You know, it's Troy Murphy's law when

1163
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: it comes to the NBA. So there you go, we'll

1164
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: call it there. Thank you so much to the street.

1165
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 1: What about Steve Clifford going to the Charlotte He's back,

1166
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: you can drop. They should have put that in the

1167
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: press release. They should have one.

1168
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 2: Let him do like a fax. Yes, Michael Jordan's style facts,

1169
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:50,879
Speaker 2: I'm back.

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00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah. With Jordan as the owner too,

1171
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: that's they should have leaned into the Yeah, I mean sure,

1172
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: I look, hey, get the defense better. He's good at that.

1173
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 1: Clifford can be at that can at least help a

1174
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: defense usually, so really weird, though you don't see this

1175
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: in the NBA all that often where the coach. He

1176
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: wasn't even gone that long, right, No, I went to

1177
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: the Magic probably four years. I mean he's there for

1178
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: a little bit.

1179
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 2: Oh wow, yeah, I guess Barrego was coaching yeah hornets

1180
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 2: for the past four seasons, so it's probably probably the

1181
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 2: exact amount of time.

1182
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: Clifford. It's great to have Steve Clifford back in our lives.

1183
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 1: Steve Clifford, the big red coach. I wish he had

1184
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: a redhead. That'd be great dog joke. Anyway, Uh yeah,

1185
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: Clifford's back. We'll wait. Wait later in the week when

1186
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 1: nothing happens, we'll really do a deep dive on Clifford

1187
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: returning to the Hornets bench. Email in your NBA question

1188
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,280
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1189
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1191
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,800
Speaker 1: we will probably see you at some point later this

1192
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: week if we get any sort of juicy trades or

1193
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: big shocking signings or stuff like that. I keep sending

1194
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: those questions in too. No dunks at the Athletic dot Com. So, okay,

1195
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: when when can we expect this signing of this car

1196
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: that you got? Like weeks from now tomorrow will be

1197
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Speaker 1: looking at.

1198
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 2: I think the moratorium ends on July fifth, oh, so

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Speaker 2: be looking for an introduction in the driveway about that time.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait for those photos so much. I can't wait.

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1204
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1205
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Speaker 2: And remember that I'm bad at stats, but this one

1207
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Speaker 2: is true. Fifty percent of NBA coaches are named Steve.

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Speaker 1: Embrace the name. People, you could stay.

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Speaker 3: Every day and dad be happy every minute. It's been

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