1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I do become to 2 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 1: stephan I never told your production of I Heart Radio. 3 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: So Samantha, I know we've talked about Britney Spears before. 4 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 1: Uh do you have a favorite Britney Spears song? I 5 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: have so many. I have so many, but I really uh, 6 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: I'm a slave for you. I think was such a 7 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: big transition for her that I love that video because 8 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: I feel like, and not just video, but the song, 9 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: but I feel like that was a song for her 10 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: to be able to express herself as well as her 11 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: dance skills, Like she's been able to dance like that's 12 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: one of the biggest things about her. She's an entertainer 13 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: and when it comes to dance, she's on point. And 14 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: I feel like that one was really able to showcase 15 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: all of her dance skills because when you see it 16 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: translated with other people trying to do it, the difficulty 17 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: level it's pretty high up there. So not to be technical, 18 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: but obviously I'm being technical. That's probably my favorite because 19 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: I feel like that was the beginning of our transition. Unfortunately, 20 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: that was also the like the beginning of everybody really 21 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: honing in on her and sexually beyond sexualizing but literally 22 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: ripping her apart for becoming a mature adult. So, but 23 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: I do love that transition because it felt like I 24 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: think we're pretty close in age actually Britney Spears and 25 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: I so felt. Uh First of all, you know, there 26 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: was a lot of parts that I'm like, man, I 27 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: wish I could be that, meaning like her body, her 28 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: dance moves, her necessarily her fame, but at least her 29 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: like being loved as she was. Uh. So it felt 30 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: a little on track, but at the same time like 31 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: I could understand that development of like wanting to be 32 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: sexy actually just want to know those dance moves. Sure, obviously, 33 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: I think that's a great answer. Technicality, I there are 34 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: so many it's hard to choose, and depending on the 35 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: mood and evening that my answer would change. But I 36 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: did want to talk about specifically. When I was in 37 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: middle school, my favorite Britney Spears song was Lucky because 38 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: I it kind of had like this, I was a 39 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: very angsty, you know, like sad teen and still today, 40 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: I really loved it. And I feel like a lot 41 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: of people have been re examining that song lately because 42 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 1: the lyrics are basically like Oh, she's so lucky, she's 43 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 1: a star, but she's crying from this broken heart. And 44 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 1: as all of this stuff has come out through these 45 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: documentaries of the Free Britney Movement, which I'm still like, wow, 46 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: free Britney movement is a thing that we're talking about 47 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: and in this conservatorship, which is what we're talking about today, 48 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: that it feels like maybe there was more going on 49 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: in that song, right, right, I think you're right, like 50 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: though she didn't write these songs, she may have connected 51 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: really closely with that. So right, So you just want 52 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: to put a date on this, because this is kind 53 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: of happening as well as we are recording. It is 54 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: July one, twenty twenty one, and today we are talking 55 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: about women and conservatorships. We are going to be talking 56 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: about Britney Spears because that is probably the reason a 57 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: lot of us have ever heard of it, including me, 58 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: because she has been in the news about about her 59 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: situation and fighting to get free of it, or at 60 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: least free of her father's heart in it. So we're 61 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: not going to go into too much detail because it's 62 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: a very complicated situation. We're gonna be focusing on the 63 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: main details, but we did want to talk about it 64 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: because it does, as it turns out, as with a 65 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: lot of things, disproportionately impact women in a lot of cases. 66 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, as she has started speaking out about it, 67 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: it was the focus of Finding Brittany the documentary. More 68 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: details have come out about her whole situation in her 69 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: testimony Britney Spears is testimony that she gave and a 70 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: lot of these details were just disturbing and upsetting. Her father, 71 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: Jamie Spears, who controls the conservatorship and the management team, 72 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: control things like the color of her cabinets, who she dated, 73 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: prevented her from going to a doctor to remove an 74 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: i U D that she wanted to remove so she 75 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 1: could have more kids, once forced her to perform with 76 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 1: a one and four degree fever, and on a separate occasion, 77 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: forced her to take lithium against her will. UM. Not 78 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: only that she's having to pay for the lawyers arguing 79 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: against her in court, and from what I understand, she 80 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: didn't get to choose the lawyers that are representing her. 81 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: She opened up about the negative impact of the situation 82 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: has had on her life, including depression, difficulties, sleeping UM 83 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: and she's called the conservatorship abusive, and experts examining this 84 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: situation agree that it is an instance of domestic abuse. 85 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: She said that she hadn't been open about it before 86 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: because she was embarrassed that it happened to her. A 87 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: judge ended up denying her request to remove her father 88 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 1: from her conservatorship as of the day before we recorded this. 89 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: So yeah, when I first was researching it, it was 90 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: still up in the air. But that's how it turned out, right, 91 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: So let's start at the beginning. What is a conservatorship 92 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: From Investopia, it is quote. Conservatorship is a legal status 93 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 1: to which a court appoints a person to manage an 94 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: incapacitated or incompetent individuals or minors of financial affairs. Such 95 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: a person may also serve as a guardian, who is 96 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: responsible for establishing and monitoring the physical care of the 97 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: individual and managing their living arrangements. In some states, such 98 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: as California, which is where this is occurring, both roles 99 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: are called conservatorships, with the guardian role term conservator of 100 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: the person and the financial role called the conservator of 101 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: the estate. These are two ways to establish a conservatorship 102 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: for individuals and for organizations or corporations is usually considered 103 00:05:55,920 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: a last resort and ending them is difficult, as we 104 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: are witnessing so in California specifically, is to find this way. 105 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: Quote a court case where judge appoints a responsible person 106 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: or organization called the conservator obviously to care for another 107 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: adult called the conservative, who cannot care for himself or 108 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 1: herself or manage his or her own finances. When it 109 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: comes to individuals, which is what we're talking about today, 110 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: courts usually uphold conservatorships for miners or for adults who 111 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: are mentally or physically disabled, people who are deemed by 112 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: a professional as unable to make financial, legal, or medical 113 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: decisions for themselves. The case of a minor, the conservatorship 114 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: typically comes to an end when they reach a team. 115 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: People can sue to end their conservatorship if they don't 116 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 1: think it's needed, which is what Britney Spears is doing. 117 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: About one point three million Americans are under a conservatorship 118 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 1: or something similar right so, from what I do understand, 119 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: he has a petition to end it. However, yet yet 120 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: she's asking that her father be removed. It's a little different. 121 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 1: So her conservatorship grants her father Jamie Spears control over 122 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: her person and her estate and estimated sixty million dollars. 123 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: This was formed in two thousand eight because of some 124 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: mental health crisis Brittany was experiencing at the time, and 125 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: worth noting she was back to work a few months later. 126 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: She constantly works um and this allows her father to 127 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: control and negotiate business opportunities. In twenty nineteen, a court 128 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: appointed professional named Jody Montgomery has served as a temporary 129 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: conservator over Brittany's personal affairs. Ideally, the conservators should be 130 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: someone the conservaty is okay with. And there's a lot 131 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: more to the story, but this is essentially what's gone down. Yeah, 132 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: and I don't know what's going on behind the scenes, 133 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: but to me, it seems like she's making money and 134 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: doing okay. But on top of that, we talked about 135 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: the impossible standards we placed on mother's but as celebrity 136 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: and always being watched to that, and it's just a 137 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: whole another level because we've all seen those stories, especially 138 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: yeah years act where people were very picking apart her 139 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: skills as a mother. Also, her dad, Jamie Spears, has 140 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: shown some real serious issues himself and the past, so 141 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: it's kind of that's the part that keeps getting me 142 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: is like, I know, I don't know the whole thing, 143 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: but he doesn't seem like the good fit right him. Yeah, 144 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: he doesn't. He has issues of his own right and 145 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: he has no contact with her kids like they have 146 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: that in place, So there has to be a reason 147 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: for that, whether he's uh causing drama within the family 148 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: and or whatever. But if a court granted a no 149 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: contact order, that's a pretty big deal. Yeah. Yeah, So 150 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: there's that. And Spears's case is by no means the 151 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 1: norm because of celebrity, and it also is just slightly 152 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: outside of what usually happens, but it has highlighted so 153 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: real issues at large um with some comparing how Kanye 154 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: West has been diagnosed with bipolar disorder, just like Spears 155 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: and Amanda Bines. But Kanye West was not put under 156 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: a conservatorship, while Spears and Fines were, and both of 157 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: them are trying to get out of it. Many have 158 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: claimed this would have never happened to a male star, 159 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: that while men are assumed to be competent, women constantly 160 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: have to prove they aren't incompetent and that they aren't emotional. 161 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: That we don't need someone usually a man, to manage us. 162 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: As we've watched this play out, experts and activists have 163 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: been vocal about how this is often used and abused, 164 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: specifically against women and people who have a disability. I 165 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: know the disabled community has come out in large and 166 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: talking about this is shining some lights, and we need 167 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: to talk about it in a bigger capacity because there's 168 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: so many implications to this. And again it does it 169 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: is bringing out the stigma that they can't take care 170 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: of themselves, or care for themselves, or make decisions for themselves. 171 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,599 Speaker 1: And yeah, and also I know a lot of the 172 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 1: Productive Justice Act of us are very upset about the 173 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: i u D. Because just as much as we have 174 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: the right to choose not to have children, we have 175 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: the right to choose to have children. And she's very 176 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: capable from what we've talked about, and we've seen that 177 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: she is a capable mother. No one's doubted that, no 178 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: one's talked about that as a whole. And just because 179 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: she had a crisis moment doesn't mean she lives in 180 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: constant crisis, So that needs to be considered as well. 181 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: And even for the state of Georgia or the little 182 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: that I know or the little though I've dealt with. 183 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: When it comes to declaring someone incompetent, it takes a lot, 184 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: It takes a lot. And what she did, sure she 185 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: had a moment of crisis. Sure that would have been 186 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: a typical seventy to our hold. Maybe some uh rehabilitation, 187 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: going into a treatment center, crisis center, all of that. Maybe, 188 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: But for this long amount of years it seems like 189 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: a power play. I mean again, we're definitely on the outside. 190 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: We don't know the ins and outs, we don't know 191 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: what the courts are seeing. But this has gone beyond 192 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: like the amount of money that's a part of this 193 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: versation that's concerning. Yeah, And I think the fact that 194 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: all of her well I don't know all, but a 195 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: lot of her family members have come out and said, 196 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: like she's been wanting to get out of this, I 197 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: think she should get out of this um. And they 198 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: don't really have contact with the father, And that is 199 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: like that it is men that are controlling this situation. 200 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: That's like a whole other grows layer of it to me, right, 201 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: as well as the fact that the mere fact that 202 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,719 Speaker 1: he came out Jamie spears the father's put like put 203 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: it into court that he has nothing to do with 204 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: this and wanted his name removed, but yet he's still 205 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: on the conservativeship and that's what got denied to take 206 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: him off. There's something this doesn't match, right, How are 207 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: you gonna be like, I didn't have anything to do 208 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: with this, But the judges like, but you've been involved 209 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: and you can continue being involved against her will. Which 210 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 1: that's the other part to that is we I think 211 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: we were all kind of confused, like she's just asking 212 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: that it change hands. Yeah, why can't there be an 213 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: impartial person? I don't. Yeah, like we said, it's supposed 214 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: to be someone you agree with. Normally it is somebody 215 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: that might be like a guardian type figure, but clearly 216 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: that's not the case in this situation. Right then there's 217 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: definitely a loss of autonomy when they start blaming that 218 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: she's being manipulated by people. And maybe she is to 219 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 1: a certain degree, but she's also a grown woman. It's 220 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: kind of just like, if that's her choice to be manipulated, 221 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: that's her choice to be manipulated. Yeah, there's a lot 222 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: of infantilizing in this whole conversation, which I guess makes sense, 223 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: but it's just yeah, hearing how people talk about it 224 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: on either side, it's kind of it can be a 225 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: little eyebrow rasing, right, And just as the disabled community 226 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: would say before and should be noted, anybody with a 227 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: mental health issue, anybody with a disability, that does not 228 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: mean they're not competent, that does not mean they're not capable. 229 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: So I'm not understanding that level of like, Okay, there's 230 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: just you have may have a mental health diagnosis, unless 231 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: they are a threat to harm themselves or other there's 232 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: no need for that. M H. And I'm very very confused. Definitely, 233 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: we need to talk about therapy that all these but 234 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: this goes further reaching and again yet implies that having 235 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: some type of mental health issue or some type of 236 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: disability means you can't care for yourself, which is insulting 237 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: and very very very very ablest. Yeah again, Um, and 238 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: for girls around the world, they are born into male 239 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: guardianship or conservatorship. We know this. We've talked about this 240 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 1: even with the purity episode just recently, preventing women from 241 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: having control over their own lives and what their lives 242 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: represent or how they represent the family. Maybe A two 243 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: tends study documented hundreds of cases of abuse with conservativeships 244 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:44,839 Speaker 1: over a period of twenty years. And I think we've 245 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: seen that with the how many kids have come out 246 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: bankrupt because of their parents and conservators. And a study 247 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:56,239 Speaker 1: out of looked into twenty one cases of financial exploitation 248 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:00,040 Speaker 1: in Minnesota, revealing most of the conservators were family the 249 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: verse and most of the victims were women. And yeah, 250 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: that's exactly part of when we talked about the financial 251 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: abuse uh financial uh control that men have over women 252 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 1: in domestic violence situations. It's number one, um. And people 253 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: in these situations have spoken about how painful it is 254 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: to be told you can't be trusted with your own money, 255 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: the lack of control and fear they experience. Not to 256 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: say that these situations are all bad, but there are 257 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: a lot of room for abuse and obviously abuse of power, 258 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: and that abuse seems to be disproportionately impacting women. Yeah. Um, 259 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: And and a lot of the lawyers, and I have 260 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: to say, some of the articles that have come out 261 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: from lawyers, especially male leaders, have still rankled me because 262 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: they're still talking about it, Like, I don't know why 263 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: Britney Spears is being so emotional. No one's going to 264 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: trust your court like, but a lot of a lot 265 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: of lawyers have said, um, you know, any system has 266 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: room for abuse, but this situation, action and these numbers 267 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: are showing that it's not just like a small problem 268 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: like there's a there's a larger issue here. If if 269 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: the numbers are this big, so it's certainly something that 270 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: we're going to continue to to look into, um and 271 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: shine a light on in the meantime. Listeners, if you 272 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: would like to contact as you can or email Stuff 273 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: India mom Stuff at iHeart media dot com. 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