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Speaker 1: All right, welcome in Good Sunday Night Podcast. John Middlecoffee
Speaker 1: be joining me in just about fifteen minutes. Let's talk Lakers.
Speaker 1: They lose to Minnesota one sixteen to one thirteen in
Speaker 1: a spectacular game. You know, people complain about the NBA.
Speaker 1: Every arena packed intense, spectacular effort referees allowing him to
Speaker 1: play the NBA is just fine. So Aunt Edwards, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if you knew. This led the NBA this
Speaker 1: year in clutch time scoring in the regular season, but
Speaker 1: Minnesota also played in forty six clutch time games, So
Speaker 1: what does that mean. They've been in so many games
Speaker 1: like this because.
Speaker 2: They're not.
Speaker 1: They're such an effort size and defensive led team. I
Speaker 1: mean ants, they're one spectacular offensive player, Julius Randall. I
Speaker 1: think he's played well in the series, but he's not
Speaker 1: considered an a list score, especially in his playoff history.
Speaker 1: So this is a team that has the best clutch
Speaker 1: player and is the team that was the best clutch
Speaker 1: team in the NBA. And by the way, when you lee,
Speaker 1: when you lead a playoff series three games to one,
Speaker 1: you have a ninety five point five chance of winning
Speaker 1: the series. So and Minnesota has been a very good
Speaker 1: road team. We talked about this back in Los Angeles
Speaker 1: when the Lakers went down one oh of the tee Wolves.
Speaker 1: Lakers are not a good road team. And what I
Speaker 1: really noticed in this game is that basically JJ Reddick said,
Speaker 1: we're not playing until Wednesday. We're emptying the tank on
Speaker 1: our five starters. They put in what they call the
Speaker 1: death lineup, Duran Finny Smith, and Minnesota's got much more
Speaker 1: roster depth and versatility. The Tea Wolves can throw different
Speaker 1: lineups at you and different matchups at you, Whereas the
Speaker 1: Lakers have a really good starting five, and they played
Speaker 1: them and they didn't sit them and so and I
Speaker 1: think JJ looked at it and said, guys, we're going
Speaker 1: to We're not going to get on a basketball floor
Speaker 1: until Wednesday. We're getting on that flight, we're going home,
Speaker 1: and we're taking two and a half days off. I mean,
Speaker 1: they may have a shoot around, but in the end,
Speaker 1: he emptied the tank and Lebron in year twenty two,
Speaker 1: you can't ask them to go to practice tomorrow right
Speaker 1: or the next day. So that was their strategy and
Speaker 1: it almost worked. But I do think the Lakers need
Speaker 1: a real off season to get the roster right. Remember,
Speaker 1: they were going to get Mark Williams in that trade,
Speaker 1: but they didn't get it right. The Lakers didn't make
Speaker 1: the Mark Williams trade because team doctors for the Lakers
Speaker 1: didn't pass it and Carolina was upset. But the truth
Speaker 1: is it really hurt the Lakers. They could have used
Speaker 1: his size in this series. They could have used again
Speaker 1: the ability to do more things with their bigs. They're
Speaker 1: kind of trapped. You know. If you start looking around
Speaker 1: Jackson Hayes, you're not playing so jj Reddick doesn't trust him.
Speaker 1: It's like Kurr not trusting Kamingo. What do you do?
Speaker 1: So Mark Williams would have been a huge asset here,
Speaker 1: a really good defensive stopper, a real physical presence more
Speaker 1: than just a lob guy. And I think they need
Speaker 1: an off season to get it done. You know, in
Speaker 1: terms of what the Lakers did, Listen, Austin Reeves was
Speaker 1: a no show in the first half, had a great
Speaker 1: third quarter, but you know, I thought, once Lebron made
Speaker 1: that incredible block and then Dorian Finney Smith came down
Speaker 1: and hit the three, I thought, wow, there's your game.
Speaker 1: But then the Lakers on the inbound the ball get stolen,
Speaker 1: and is that kind of a fatigue thing setting in?
Speaker 1: Possibly could be again, I think there's always a I
Speaker 1: wouldn't call it an upset. I like the Lakers in
Speaker 1: five or six games. I think they still have a
Speaker 1: chance to win it, but they're just they just don't
Speaker 1: have the roster versatility and guys like Nasred are so
Speaker 1: good in the fourth quarter. He's you know, he is
Speaker 1: one of those classic guys that everybody in the league
Speaker 1: knows how great he is, but he's not selling a
Speaker 1: lot of jerseys. He is such a valuable commodity. I mean,
Speaker 1: everybody in the league should have an Osrid, every team
Speaker 1: in the league. And you know, you think about that
Speaker 1: and you think, well, I mean, don't go crazy, but
Speaker 1: a lot of great players don't fit on all rosters.
Speaker 1: Like if you have Lebron James, especially in his prime,
Speaker 1: I mean, it drove Kyrie Irving crazy. It reduced Chris
Speaker 1: Bosh to a corner player. You had to run. The
Speaker 1: ecosystem of the offense had to go through Lebron, and
Speaker 1: it could marginalize certain players. But there are guys in
Speaker 1: this league that are effort guys, big basket guys, tough guys.
Speaker 1: They just fit everywhere and read as one of those dudes.
Speaker 1: So a spectacular game for Aunt and again talking about
Speaker 1: Mark Williams not being a Laker, look at the advantage
Speaker 1: points in the paint. Minnesota forty six to thirty, a
Speaker 1: sixteen point edge in the paint and there's your ballgame,
Speaker 1: just a spectacular, intense NBA basketball game. And the other
Speaker 1: thing when you make these big moves at the trade deadline,
Speaker 1: like the Luca trade. Obviously long term it benefits the
Speaker 1: Lakers more than Dallas, but it is it does feel
Speaker 1: like it's historically rare that you make like a trade
Speaker 1: deadline move, even a great one, and it equals a
Speaker 1: championship in year one. Remember, Luca had to play himself
Speaker 1: back into shape because he'd been injured. So lucas playing
Speaker 1: himself back into shape. And I still think Luca's got
Speaker 1: another ten percent of elevation to his game next year.
Speaker 1: And so you get an off season, you tweak the roster,
Speaker 1: you get another big Luca comes in in good shape
Speaker 1: and not injured in camp hopefully. I mean, Lebron feels
Speaker 1: like even if he loses five percent of his game,
Speaker 1: I mean, you can see Lebron can still give you
Speaker 1: these incredible both his games in Minneapolis. Lebron can give
Speaker 1: you these unbelievable games. He's not going to give you
Speaker 1: a seven and seven game series, but everybody's equally rested
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. So Minnesota now looks to close it out. Boy,
Speaker 1: the Lakers had that fourteen oh run to start the
Speaker 1: third quarter, and I'm sitting there thinking, okay, all right,
Speaker 1: let's get serious and then just chipping away, chipping away
Speaker 1: roster versatility, depth and chipping away. All right, let's talk
Speaker 1: about the Knicks beating Detroit ninety four to ninety three.
Speaker 1: I thought the Pistons were the better team, and I
Speaker 1: thought they should have won the game. That last CALLA
Speaker 1: now acknowledges it was a foul. Let me talk about this.
Speaker 1: If you look at the box score, it looks like
Speaker 1: Detroit one. The Knicks shot much better from three point land.
Speaker 1: Other than that, I mean field goal percentage forty three
Speaker 1: thirty seven, Detroit free throw advantage. Detroit was great at
Speaker 1: the free throw line the Knicks for eleven of eighteen.
Speaker 1: Detroit dominates defensive rebounding, but the Knicks had twice as
Speaker 1: many three point shots. There's your ballgame. Let me Kate Cunningham.
Speaker 1: By the way, is I'll say it again, he's gonna
Speaker 1: be a top eight, top ten player in the league
Speaker 1: next year. He got a great look to win that game.
Speaker 1: Ball bounced around, went to the corner. No foul call.
Speaker 1: But Cunningham got a great look, he can create his
Speaker 1: own shot. He doesn't need to pick and roll. Guy,
Speaker 1: good handles, big body, pro athlete, stop and start game,
Speaker 1: very fluid athlete. Cade's the real deal forumber. Number one
Speaker 1: pick out of Oklahoma State. He's just now he's put
Speaker 1: three and four years into the league and you're seeing
Speaker 1: his game is now very, very refined. So in terms
Speaker 1: of the last call, it was obviously it was a
Speaker 1: bump and a foul. So I'm a huge believer in
Speaker 1: letting the players play in the postseason. I think it's
Speaker 1: more intense. I think it's better for the fans. I
Speaker 1: think you're not going back and forth parading to the
Speaker 1: free throw line. I just think it's really intense physical basketball.
Speaker 1: And Lebraun and Ant are just banging on each other,
Speaker 1: just just captivating. And this game they allowed a lot
Speaker 1: of physicality because these are not necessarily beautiful offensive teams,
Speaker 1: right like the like Boston or Oklahoma City or Cleveland.
Speaker 1: You know, the Knicks are a feisty, physical team and
Speaker 1: Detroit probably needs another player to get you know a
Speaker 1: little more aesthetically pleasing offensively. So this is going to
Speaker 1: be a tuggle war. The downside to allowing physical play
Speaker 1: has always been one that can create fights. You don't
Speaker 1: want that. But the real issue is obviously the league,
Speaker 1: you know, either through memo or through discussion, has told
Speaker 1: you guys, let them play, let the let the players
Speaker 1: decide the games, and it's much better basketball. This is
Speaker 1: why historically veteran NBA teams have done so well in
Speaker 1: the playoffs over younger teams. You know, you're watching the
Speaker 1: Clippers and the Nuggets, which is an incredible series. It's
Speaker 1: just ten year vets going back and forth, and they
Speaker 1: understand it. The issue becomes when you allow that sort
Speaker 1: of physical play. And I did think the Pistons outplayed them,
Speaker 1: and I'm not necessarily sure. Usually in a playoff series,
Speaker 1: you get to Game four or five, you kind of
Speaker 1: feel like there's a better team. I'm not sure. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think the Knicks are better. I don't feel like
Speaker 1: by much. I mean, obviously that cat three point bomb.
Speaker 1: Brunton hit a couple of huge clutch shots. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the difference a shot here or shot there. The
Speaker 1: downside to allowing physical officiating is in the last minute
Speaker 1: and half of a game, so you know these psychologically,
Speaker 1: the refs are letting them go, But we do expect
Speaker 1: on final shots or the final two to three possessions,
Speaker 1: you got to tighten the belt a little bit. You know,
Speaker 1: if a guy's hitting a brushing an elbow, fans are like, well, well,
Speaker 1: well that's a foul. So you know, the psycholog the
Speaker 1: psychology of it is, you're allowing for three hours this
Speaker 1: incredibly intense banging in physical play and letting stuff go
Speaker 1: all over the floor. But then what do you do
Speaker 1: in the last two to three possessions per team? You know,
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, earlier in the game, it doesn't change
Speaker 1: the outcome, it just changes the score. When you allow
Speaker 1: physicality in the last two to three possessions, it can
Speaker 1: change the outcome of a game. And there's an expectation
Speaker 1: you got to call that bump. So I don't think
Speaker 1: it's easy to officiate NBA playoff games. In the last
Speaker 1: two minutes of a playoff game, I think it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, you get to these NFL playoff games with
Speaker 1: pass interference. You go to a Super Bowl, they let
Speaker 1: a lot go. You don't see very rarely will you
Speaker 1: see a lot of penalties in a super Bowl or
Speaker 1: a conference championship. Let them play but if you get
Speaker 1: to the final drive of a game in the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl or a conference championship and there's clear grabbing, do
Speaker 1: you let that go too? That's that's not just a call,
Speaker 1: that's an outcome changer. And so I think it's very
Speaker 1: difficult to officiate these games for the NBA in the
Speaker 1: last couple of minutes. And we've had multiple controversies in
Speaker 1: the Lakers Minnesota game, the Clippers, Nuggets game, the Pistons
Speaker 1: Knicks games where you're like, are you going to call that?
Speaker 1: Are you going to call that? And so it was
Speaker 1: a missed uh officiating, It was a miss. It was
Speaker 1: an officiating gaff. I think New York's going to close
Speaker 1: this series out. But you got to feel great if
Speaker 1: you're the Pistons. I mean, you got your superstar in
Speaker 1: Kid Cunningham, you got a couple of veterans. It's not
Speaker 1: the prettiest lineup, but they're well coached, they fight like hell,
Speaker 1: and it's been just so interesting to watch this series.
Speaker 1: I got to tell you that Cat three one of
Speaker 1: those shots of the plus, I mean, Aaron Gordon's dunked
Speaker 1: to win it for the Nuggets. By the shot of
Speaker 1: the playoffs, that cat bomb was. He's such a gifted
Speaker 1: offensive player and so limited defensively, and he's a quirky player,
Speaker 1: but I mean Rockets Warriors. Steph on a classic Jalen
Speaker 1: Green cape mandick back down to earth. All these playoff
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Speaker 1: All Right, John, Obviously, this story of the draft with
Speaker 1: Shdhur Sanders had just dominated. Milkiper lost his mind. So
Speaker 1: I want to throw I want to start with this,
Speaker 1: and you know this. So basically I would have drafted
Speaker 1: Shadeur Sanders if I was the Pittsburgh Steelers. So I
Speaker 1: don't think they needed a defensive lineman as much as
Speaker 1: they needed in a division. With Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1: In the conference, with Josh Allen, Justin Herbert and Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes and c. J. Stroud, they don't have a quarterback
Speaker 1: room of note. I think Will Howard's a backup in
Speaker 1: the NFL. So congratulations on getting another defensive lineman. But
Speaker 1: I would have drafted Shideur Sanders. That said, once he
Speaker 1: started falling in the draft, I started making calls. I
Speaker 1: went on the internet and it was very interesting. So
Speaker 1: two general managers who I hold in sort of my
Speaker 1: like circle of trust and I think are really as
Speaker 1: good as general managing gets in this league. Not Howie Roseman,
Speaker 1: but there's another eight guys or so that I like,
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of them had said to my
Speaker 1: friend Steve Kime. Steve Kaim had asked because he had
Speaker 1: Jalen Milroe as a client for Clutch Sports, and he
Speaker 1: had asked a couple of Jim friends, Hey, about a
Speaker 1: month ago, what do you make of Shador Sanders? And
Speaker 1: both said, you know, his tape isn't great. Uh, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of stuff you don't like
Speaker 1: on his tape and he's not a great athlete. But
Speaker 1: that said, I still think he's accurate enough to be
Speaker 1: a you know, in a bad quarterback draft class too,
Speaker 1: to not fall to where he fell. But I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with this, which I talked about on
Speaker 1: my own YouTube, uh you know pod this weekend, is
Speaker 1: that when a guy does fall and you're seeking answers
Speaker 1: for it, you start going back and examining things. And
Speaker 1: things also start surface after the first round. Stories start
Speaker 1: to surface that we're not talked about pre first round.
Speaker 1: Clearly the interviews were worse then. It wasn't just a
Speaker 1: story that bothered people. It was true and there were
Speaker 1: more than one instance of a bad interview. But I
Speaker 1: had said this too, is that once you didn't see
Speaker 1: Shador Sanders as a starter because of the smoke and
Speaker 1: noise around him, with Dion basically his dad at Super
Speaker 1: Bowl week saying we're going to control this. There are
Speaker 1: certain teams were not going to play for Travis is
Speaker 1: going to go one. My son's going to go three.
Speaker 1: That I did wonder John like the t bo or
Speaker 1: Cam Newton effect. If he's not the starter? Do you
Speaker 1: want the Dion noise as a backup for a year?
Speaker 1: Do you think that is what teams thought about once
Speaker 1: you got to the second round? Is okay, now he's
Speaker 1: a backup, and I'm not sure teams love that t
Speaker 1: Bow level noise, celebrity quarterback backup stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean obviously, like you, I did a lot of
Speaker 2: digging these last couple of days because I liked him
Speaker 2: as a player, and I just assumed he'd go somewhere
Speaker 2: between like ten and forty five. Yeah, you know, maybe
Speaker 2: in the first round, maybe in the second round. So
Speaker 2: when he precipitous fall of the fifth round, you get
Speaker 2: to start texting a round. And You've said this for
Speaker 2: a long time, quarterbacks are held to an unfair standard
Speaker 2: it's also why they make fifty million dollars a year,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean it's also why I would say
Speaker 2: they are now viewed as the biggest celebrity in sports,
Speaker 2: right up there with like, I mean a level of
Speaker 2: like Lebron and Steph Curry. Immediately, Yes, So I would
Speaker 2: say from what I've heard, he had one of the
Speaker 2: worst off seasons that these teams have ever seen from
Speaker 2: from a quarterback prospect. And that could be from a
Speaker 2: first rounder to a seventh rounder, right right, because they're
Speaker 2: all they all act. You are a product of your class. Right.
Speaker 2: So if I'm a good looking girl and I walk
Speaker 2: into a bar and there are ten supermodels, I'm not
Speaker 2: going to be viewed as highly as if I walk
Speaker 2: into a room with a bunch of ugly people. And
Speaker 2: in this class, it was a bunch of high level cats.
Speaker 2: Cam Ward, I know people with the Titans, they loved him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Drew Brees said this a long time ago. Playing quarterback
Speaker 2: is like seventy thirty intangible off the field upstairs thirty
Speaker 2: my physical qualities. Peyton Manning couldn't beat me or you
Speaker 2: in a race. He didn't have a big arm. Tom
Speaker 2: Brady said he I couldn't play any other position in
Speaker 2: high school football beside quarterback. So this class from Jalen Milroe.
Speaker 2: People love the guy. Dylan Gabriel, he had to be
Speaker 2: one of the favorites when it came to the coaching staffs.
Speaker 2: Obviously the Will Howard's, the Riley Leonards. These guys are
Speaker 2: the most impressive people of the entire draft. When these
Speaker 2: coaches and these gms are meeting with them, they leave
Speaker 2: the room and these coaches go, God, I wish, I
Speaker 2: wish Riley Leonard, Will Howard were better players. And they
Speaker 2: get drafted in the fifth, sixth, seventh round. Most people think, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's probably not gonna be in the NFL long, but
Speaker 2: we love the guy and shadors off the field, it's
Speaker 2: not bad, never been in trouble or anything. But when
Speaker 2: you act, there are only so many teams right supply
Speaker 2: demand thing. Well, six teams last year drafted quarterbacks in
Speaker 2: the top six. They're immediately out. There are several quarterbacks
Speaker 2: on rookie contracts, they're not going to be in the mix.
Speaker 2: And then the veteran teams Andy Reid, the Bills, the Ravens,
Speaker 2: they're just consumed. We're trying to win the Super Bowl
Speaker 2: right now. So it's a small, small group. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: So the small group, well, those are the people he
Speaker 2: met with and clearly turned them off. And mcshay's been
Speaker 2: coming out with this report what happened with the giants
Speaker 2: of like I don't need you. That never happens. And
Speaker 2: I think it's become popular because if you look at
Speaker 2: these comments online, it's like, go against the establishment, go
Speaker 2: against the man. It's like, guys, this is a business
Speaker 2: that if you're decent, you will make forty million dollars
Speaker 2: a year. Find me another industry that pays that level.
Speaker 2: And if you're like cam Ward, who is viewed as
Speaker 2: a fifth round pick, comes back, does all the right things,
Speaker 2: plays well. People love the guy. He's a first round pick.
Speaker 2: He's gonna get forty million dollars guaranteed. So if he stinks,
Speaker 2: if he's Trey Lance a good example, people love the guy.
Speaker 2: Couldn't play, but he made forty million dollars. You know,
Speaker 2: So this to carry yourself. Listen, we all look up
Speaker 2: to our parents, right or whoever raises us, And he
Speaker 2: looks up to his dad. His dad is one of
Speaker 2: the greatest players of all time. Right, and his dad
Speaker 2: can act however he wants, just like great players can
Speaker 2: always act however they want, because in a business like
Speaker 2: pro sports, they're gonna there are only so many of them.
Speaker 2: His son was not that, and I think that really
Speaker 2: turned people off. The other thing that really bothers me
Speaker 2: is this narrative of like this is the NFL pushing
Speaker 2: back against nil. It's like guys Kim Ward just made
Speaker 2: like three million dollars playing at Miami the NFL, every
Speaker 2: GM's a millionaire. Every assistant coach now is probably a millionaire,
Speaker 2: and obviously the head coaches are all making ten to fifty.
Speaker 2: They don't care at all. Travis Hunter, I googled his
Speaker 2: NIL deal. I mean it was reported between four and
Speaker 2: five million dollars. It's not being a good person. I
Speaker 2: mean all these kids in college, the entire first and
Speaker 2: second round, they were driving range drovers in g wagons
Speaker 2: last year in college. It's not about the money or
Speaker 2: the nils. Just like one, there were a lot of
Speaker 2: red flags guys that were drafted well above Shador Sanders.
Speaker 2: Those guys are viewed as good players. Now. I think
Speaker 2: Chadors a solid prospect, But what I've heard about the
Speaker 2: way he's acted like he would be an immediate turn
Speaker 2: off to any human being right in any industry. That's
Speaker 2: not how young people act. And I think that they
Speaker 2: tried to change their tactics from what I've heard the
Speaker 2: last months, but it was too late. It's hard to pivot.
Speaker 2: And again, you're just compared, like they view you in
Speaker 2: a group with Jalen Milroe and Dylan Gabriel, and so
Speaker 2: that's who you're compared to. You're not compared to cam Ward.
Speaker 2: He has nothing in common with you, but he already
Speaker 2: people like him on and off the field. So the
Speaker 2: group you're compared to, it's like, well, we love the people,
Speaker 2: what's up with this guy? Anytime? It's like, what's up
Speaker 2: with this guy? And you play quarterback? Yeah, like that's
Speaker 2: a problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I talked to an NFL general manager yesterday
Speaker 1: and he said, he said, Colin, he said, the conversation
Speaker 1: we talk about players in this league, the conversation with
Speaker 1: quarterbacks is a separate conversation we talk about We talk
Speaker 1: about quarterbacks like I would as a GM talk about
Speaker 1: coaching prospects. I'm talking about your temperament, your leadership. One
Speaker 1: of this gms said when I hire coaches, very rarely
Speaker 1: will you get Andy Reid or Kyle Shanahan's scheme excellence.
Speaker 1: You're hiring CEOs. Mcveig is a CEO. Dan Campbell's not
Speaker 1: a scheme genius, he's a CEO. And he said, that's
Speaker 1: what you're so he goes, that's what a quarterback is.
Speaker 1: He's your CEO on the field, So temperament, maturity. Do
Speaker 1: guys rally around him? So the interview, how do you
Speaker 1: hire Sean mcvahan. Not let him out of the building.
Speaker 1: It's not his resume, it's his interview, And so I
Speaker 1: do think and this stuff. You know, obviously Brian Dabole
Speaker 1: the Giants is going to say it, oh, the interview
Speaker 1: was great because Brian Dable has to go back on
Speaker 1: that Colorado campus over the next four or five years
Speaker 1: or next ten years. So you'll never hear a coach
Speaker 1: bang on a university or a coach because that coach
Speaker 1: is going to have four to five NFL players the
Speaker 1: next year. So you just swallow it and go, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a great interview. But I think there's more
Speaker 1: than enough smoke here that that process wasn't great, And
Speaker 1: I you know, I'll say it again, I do not
Speaker 1: like and again I did not think this would be
Speaker 1: an issue, but I was forced to talk about it.
Speaker 1: Once he's dropping out of the first, the second, the third,
Speaker 1: the fourth, Then I'm forced to talk about it. And
Speaker 1: my take was, well, if you're really making me pick,
Speaker 1: what's a problem. I do think Dion during super Bowl
Speaker 1: Week exclaiming this is on our terms. It wasn't until
Speaker 1: mid to late March that Dion went Okay, he can
Speaker 1: go anywhere, and I think it pissed people off. I
Speaker 1: know I know one team that was totally turned off.
Speaker 1: And remember, you go into a draft, John, as you
Speaker 1: noted earlier, there's usually like, for instance, the Rams, the
Speaker 1: Rams decided before this draft they were going after a
Speaker 1: quarterback next year. That the Rams made a decision in house,
Speaker 1: we probably need to get one in house, but we're
Speaker 1: going to go for it next year. That's why they
Speaker 1: made that trade with Atlanta to get two first next
Speaker 1: year because their first will be deep. So they're looking
Speaker 1: for a top twelve to fifteen first and if they
Speaker 1: have to use both to get like the second pick,
Speaker 1: because you're going to have Drew Aller, Clemson's quarterback Arch
Speaker 1: Manning so if they want to get up to like
Speaker 1: third or fourth in the draft, they need a second one.
Speaker 1: So the Rams. There's about seven teams a year that
Speaker 1: need a quarterback, either as a starter or a backup,
Speaker 1: and the Rams immediately decided with their trade, we're getting
Speaker 1: ours next year.
Speaker 4: I think if you just looked at all the starters
Speaker 4: in the league the team are either obviously elated to
Speaker 4: have or feel good about, I don't think you would
Speaker 4: find one that is in basically an A plus off
Speaker 4: the field.
Speaker 2: And I think the one guy who's clearly mature, I
Speaker 2: don't know if Kyler Murray would fall under a plus,
Speaker 2: but he's clearly matured. I mean now living in Arizona,
Speaker 2: seeing the comments from him, and from a talent standpoint,
Speaker 2: I mean, you're older than me. He's got to be
Speaker 2: one of the most unique talents in the history of
Speaker 2: pro sports. That's what I mean. He's one of the
Speaker 2: great blue chip physical attribute talents in any sport. Ever,
Speaker 2: we won't see a guy again get drafted in the
Speaker 2: top ten and number one over court. He's type ninth.
Speaker 2: So it's like, yeah, it was a learning curve in
Speaker 2: his maturity. He's matured. Some guy's mature, slower. We've seen
Speaker 2: Baker and some of these guys, but for the most part,
Speaker 2: they are a plus everything in terms of leadership, in tangibles,
Speaker 2: work ethic, people just like being around. There's no question.
Speaker 2: It never comes up. The last unit in the building
Speaker 2: I want to think ever about is my overall quarterback unit,
Speaker 2: even just my starter, just the group. I know I'm
Speaker 2: going to have a couple d line issues, maybe a
Speaker 2: wide receiver, the quarterback issue. It's the last thing on
Speaker 2: my mind beside like an injury or something that I
Speaker 2: have to make like a tangible transaction for And he
Speaker 2: basically handed him Like they started seeing what they see
Speaker 2: in other positions and they're like, this is insane and
Speaker 2: this is ocean that like the collusion and stuff. It's
Speaker 2: just it was honestly kind of embarrassing by a lot
Speaker 2: of people around the NFL. I think it you know,
Speaker 2: former players and stuff. I think it was bad look
Speaker 2: by a lot of people that have no fucking clue
Speaker 2: what they're talking about.
Speaker 1: Well, it's you and I basically you have you worked
Speaker 1: in the league, and I have more sources. There are
Speaker 1: two conversations that go on about the NFL. One is
Speaker 1: public one as private. I'm talking to two people today.
Speaker 1: Those conversations never hit the air, but they're giving me
Speaker 1: background on stuff. I do not think we both like
Speaker 1: Shador as a player, like not love. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's a bad guy. I want to clarify. I don't
Speaker 1: think he's a bad guy. No one does. No one does.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a bad guy, but I do.
Speaker 1: You know, I said this on the show Friday, paying
Speaker 1: for the quarterback draft room with legendary all over it.
Speaker 1: It's like, bro, come on, just just the New York
Speaker 1: Giant shoes. It's like, dude, just scale back a little
Speaker 1: until until you're drafted, then do whatever you want. And
Speaker 1: then you combine it with his dad, who did not
Speaker 1: you know, I've been saying this quarterback Dad's become pageant mom.
Speaker 1: Then his dad in January and February during Super Bowl
Speaker 1: interviews as saying they're just some teams we're not going
Speaker 1: to play for. It's like, Dad, you're not helping here.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll give you two examples. I mean your boys
Speaker 2: with Kime he's representing and clutches Jalen Milroe. Everyone that
Speaker 2: met Jalen Miloe is like he's not even accurate, and
Speaker 2: they're like, we want to like this guy. I mean,
Speaker 2: the best example in recent memory is Chris Ballard, who
Speaker 2: I would say the Colts plays a pretty high premium
Speaker 2: on the person. And I remember hearing all this about
Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson. They're like, you know, I wanted to not
Speaker 2: like Anthony Richson based on his tape, But then you
Speaker 2: start meeting them in the draft process, the league start
Speaker 2: to like him.
Speaker 1: I heard this about EJ. Manual years ago. I met EJ. Manuel.
Speaker 1: You fell in love with a human.
Speaker 2: Most quarterbacks, it's like, God, I love this guy. You know,
Speaker 2: hold your girlfriend tight because you're just like that. Those
Speaker 2: are the type people they gravitate toward. And this is
Speaker 2: the first one in recent memory that turned everyone off.
Speaker 2: Like this was universal. And again when I say everyone,
Speaker 2: Andy Reid and the Eagles aren't spending time scouting this
Speaker 2: guy closely. So it's a small group of.
Speaker 1: Teams that he needed.
Speaker 2: And so you go to the fifth round like he
Speaker 2: is now it's we can just talk about the room.
Speaker 2: It's very difficult. There are there are only so many
Speaker 2: reps at practice, so we know Joe Flacco is going
Speaker 2: to be the starter. And then they got this group.
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty clear that the coaching staff and
Speaker 2: the GM two IVY League guys they like Dylan Gabriel,
Speaker 2: so why they drafted him in the third round. I
Speaker 2: think it's fair to say Jason Lloyd, who's like the
Speaker 2: Tim Kawakami of the Cleveland Area covers all these Cleveland
Speaker 2: sports wrote a pretty an article on the Athletic yesterday.
Speaker 1: Oh he is.
Speaker 2: Clearly you know this was an owner pick because what world.
Speaker 2: Look look at the reaction on Twitter. You know they
Speaker 2: got posted. In the draft room, Stefanski looked like you
Speaker 2: wanted to jump off a bridge. Andrew Berry's comments in
Speaker 2: the press conference was like, yeah, the value, but the
Speaker 2: way they talked about Dylan Gabriel and the other players.
Speaker 2: We have a history now with Jimmy Hasle, like Deshaun
Speaker 2: Watson was out until Jimmy said no, we're doing this.
Speaker 2: And now you get into another situation where it's like
Speaker 2: you drafted a quarterback. Kind of take a step back.
Speaker 2: You're gonna have a couple draft picks, but Jimmy has them,
Speaker 2: because in what world does it make sense? Because you
Speaker 2: go well in any other position, you take multiple quarterbacks. True,
Speaker 2: but in practice, I can rotate my tight ends or
Speaker 2: my running backs from my defensive lineman literally every play.
Speaker 2: If you go to an NFL or a college practice,
Speaker 2: you're ones and twos. If there are twelve reps during
Speaker 2: a session, the ones get eight and the twos get four.
Speaker 2: You don't have that many spots for like the six quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: So how Gabriel's drafted higher, he's going to get more spots.
Speaker 2: I think it's just a weird It feels like it's
Speaker 2: got Jimmy Haslam written all over it. And you see
Speaker 2: the look on Stefanski's face, like, guys, get me out
Speaker 2: of here. This is crazy because how could you go
Speaker 2: from Deshaun Watson to then taking a quarterback in the
Speaker 2: third round to then taking him in the fifth with
Speaker 2: everything that comes along with it. It doesn't make that
Speaker 2: much sense. Also from a yeah, I don't know. I
Speaker 2: just I think it's just a clunky, weird spot. I
Speaker 2: don't It's not out of Shador's control, but it didn't
Speaker 2: make sense. No one takes a quarterback in the third
Speaker 2: and a fifth. It never happens. It's a numbers game.
Speaker 2: It just you can't practice.
Speaker 1: My guess is Flacco wins the job in Shadure is
Speaker 1: probably more impressive in practice. I mean, I think he's
Speaker 1: better than Dylan Gabriel and I just think he is.
Speaker 2: Mean I do too, But this is the other element,
Speaker 2: you know, if Jimmy does force them to do it,
Speaker 2: which to me, I agreed with the take. I'm like,
Speaker 2: that's what it felt like. You can still It's not
Speaker 2: like Jimmy sets the practice schedule, who's getting the reps
Speaker 2: so you can manipulate it as a coach. Happens all
Speaker 2: over the league, right, you talked to some of these gms,
Speaker 2: like a player, the coach likes a player, and you
Speaker 2: kind of you can argue all you want in the room,
Speaker 2: but at practice, the GM doesn't get to run practice.
Speaker 2: So I'm with you, Like, I think Shador is a
Speaker 2: better player than Dylan Gabriel. I think drafting Dylan Gabriel
Speaker 2: in the third's pretty bold, Like, yeah, I didn't love
Speaker 2: that pick. So my theory was they're no dummies. They've
Speaker 2: been around Jimmy long enough they realize that, like, as
Speaker 2: Shador falls, he's going to force them to take Shador Sanders.
Speaker 2: So they go, listen, we'd love to take this guy
Speaker 2: in the fourth or fifth, let's take him now. So
Speaker 2: it kind of shuts him up. But then Shador just
Speaker 2: kept plummeting and they didn't have a choice once they
Speaker 2: got to the fifth round, when he's like, you gotta
Speaker 2: do it. So my theory is they overdrafted him to
Speaker 2: shut up the owner. And because any visual you saw
Speaker 2: of Stefanski and Barry, he's right over their backs. Right
Speaker 2: you see most rooms the owners next to him or
Speaker 2: in the corner, just like hanging out. He's right behind him,
Speaker 2: kind of hovering. I mean, it's a that's a bizarre place, Colin,
Speaker 2: it really is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's you know, just to show you
Speaker 1: how much intangibles matter that you talked about earlier, think
Speaker 1: about this. Baker Mayfield won a playoff game for the
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns, and not only when a playoff game, beat
Speaker 1: their number one rival, the Pittsburgh Steelers, and they moved
Speaker 1: off him, not because he couldn't play because of the intangibles.
Speaker 1: Think about that. Just say, Cleveland Browns win a playoff
Speaker 1: game over the Steelers, that should give you three contracts.
Speaker 1: They moved off him. So when people listen to this
Speaker 1: and think, well, the intangibles, no, it's a seventy to
Speaker 1: thirty intangible league when it comes to quarterbacks. Baker has
Speaker 1: now matured and they love him in Tampa and I
Speaker 1: love the fit, but they moved off of him Andrew
Speaker 1: Berry and Stefanski because he kept inflaming press conference and
Speaker 1: he just couldn't He just wasn't ready for to be
Speaker 1: like lead of franchise. So your point is, I've said
Speaker 1: this for years about Dak Prescott. He's not an impressor
Speaker 1: impressive thrower of the football. His intangibles are amazing, his
Speaker 1: tangibles are mediocre. Dan Mullen came on my show, had
Speaker 1: him at Mississippi State. He's like, hey, he's not impressive
Speaker 1: throwing the football. I mean we never thought, oh, he
Speaker 1: throws the best football on Mississippi State. His intangibles were
Speaker 1: through the roof. So this stuff absolutely matters.
Speaker 2: I mean, look a look at Party. You know, I
Speaker 2: would say his intangibles, he's He's got Patrick Mahone's level
Speaker 2: in tangibles.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: I mean, Sam Darnold is talking now for two years
Speaker 2: about what he's taught him off the field. Party's like
Speaker 2: twenty five years old. So you can get by with
Speaker 2: average characteristics which Shadoor has Dak, I would say, cousins,
Speaker 2: it would fall under that, right, Jared Goff's not exactly
Speaker 2: quick or a huge arm By being elite off the field,
Speaker 2: your study habits how you are as a leader, how
Speaker 2: you are as you know, the captain is the guy
Speaker 2: that everyone's falling. I think Tampa really benefits from getting
Speaker 2: the version of Baker that they have now, who is
Speaker 2: like I think everything John Dorsey wanted and Jason light
Speaker 2: now benefits from that. So listen, where do you get
Speaker 2: drafted doesn't define your career. You know, people freak out always,
Speaker 2: and you and I have talked about this, like getting
Speaker 2: drafted in the third round is some travesty. It's like, guys,
Speaker 2: there's a small percentage of people that are even playing
Speaker 2: high level D one football, And you see by the
Speaker 2: draft picks, if you don't play in the SEC or
Speaker 2: the Big ten, you're at a huge disadvantage trying to
Speaker 2: get to the league. So like, listen, he is a
Speaker 2: fifth round pick that he fallow couple round sure, but
Speaker 2: if he's good, the cream usually rises in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I do think he is a first or
Speaker 1: a second round pick. Yeah, I was watching the draft
Speaker 1: and there were three players that jumped out to me
Speaker 1: that I think it's a very This signifies that it
Speaker 1: wasn't a star draft, but it was a starter draft.
Speaker 1: Cody Simon gets drafted by Arizona, a team that had
Speaker 1: a good draft, in the fourth He was an trummendous
Speaker 1: inside linebacker for Ohio State. He was in on every play,
Speaker 1: every run play, he was there. Damien Martinez the Seahawks
Speaker 1: get him the Miami running back in the seventh round.
Speaker 1: He averaged four and a half yards of carry. Jabar
Speaker 1: Mohammad for Oregon a starting corner for Oregon. The Jags
Speaker 1: got him as an undrafted free agent. Now he's a
Speaker 1: He's not a great athlete. His vertical went from twenty
Speaker 1: three to like thirty in the combine, so he really
Speaker 1: worked at it. But those are not maybe great players.
Speaker 1: But in any draft that Cody Simon for Ohio State's
Speaker 1: going in the middle fourth round, to me, that's a
Speaker 1: pretty decent draft. That is a football player.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, it's not. I don't think people would
Speaker 2: bet their careers on the high end, like a bunch
Speaker 2: of All pros and Hall of famers. But I think
Speaker 2: when you look at the second and third round, and
Speaker 2: you and I are degenerate Saturd Day football watchers. There
Speaker 2: are a lot of guys that are gonna play in
Speaker 2: the NFL for a long time. I mean the amount
Speaker 2: of running backs and defensive linemen that were drafted on
Speaker 2: the second day. I mean both Ohio State kids once
Speaker 2: started at Old Miss, Jenkins and Henderson I think are
Speaker 2: both going to be really really good players in the NFL.
Speaker 2: And they're countless defensive linemen that we're taking that are
Speaker 2: going to be high level players. Receivers, I mean we
Speaker 2: see this every year. I mean the amount of guys
Speaker 2: they're going to go in the third, fourth, fifth. Tes Walker,
Speaker 2: the wide receiver from Oregon. I'm might be screwing up
Speaker 2: his name. First name Tess, who's bo Nix's former roommate
Speaker 2: who like they kind of adopted him. He's like one
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty pounds. That guy's a fantastic player and
Speaker 2: they got I think the Tampa Bay Buccaneers got him
Speaker 2: in the seventh round. So sometimes guys just fall because
Speaker 2: they're small, they have a bad combine, they have, you know,
Speaker 2: an injury that limited their tape as seniors, and we
Speaker 2: see it all the time. A guy that's a fifth rounder,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden is way better than the second rounder.
Speaker 2: It's why you and I talked about the Van Pelt
Speaker 2: rant about the grades. I've been going to these training
Speaker 2: camps for so long. You get there, you're so excited
Speaker 2: to see, like, oh, let's look at the first rounder,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, you're like, who's that.
Speaker 2: You're like, that's the undrafted free agent. He ends up
Speaker 2: making the team. By the middle of the year, he's
Speaker 2: the starter. So it's the NFL. This is not basketball
Speaker 2: where if your first round pick minimum, you're going to
Speaker 2: play in football like you're going to get more time
Speaker 2: as the seventh overall pick or the fifteenth overall pick.
Speaker 2: But if you can play and you're the third rounder,
Speaker 2: if you're the fifth rounder, as training camp goes and
Speaker 2: as preseason goes, by September, you're already in the mix.
Speaker 2: That's how fast it happens. And then we know how
Speaker 2: many guys get injured, and all of a sudden, you
Speaker 2: got three guys that are rookie starting. Well.
Speaker 1: The other thing is especially you know, I've heard this
Speaker 1: for years too. Some guys it takes him a year
Speaker 1: to get the playbook down, you know. I mean there
Speaker 1: are not just a quarterback, but there have been. I
Speaker 1: don't want to pick on players, but I mean I
Speaker 1: have talked to executives in the league or coaches in
Speaker 1: the league and they're like, you know, we really like him,
Speaker 1: but we didn't. You know, they're coaching staff at some school,
Speaker 1: whatever school is, you know, and tell us that you know,
Speaker 1: he he can struggle, you know in you know, memorization
Speaker 1: that he tends to, you know, be somebody that struggles
Speaker 1: to kind of stay on the same page. You know,
Speaker 1: he's a little bit of an ad lib And I
Speaker 1: and I there's a receiver that I think of a
Speaker 1: few years ago that a team drafted and everybody was like,
Speaker 1: why isn't he playing? And it was just a matter
Speaker 1: of the playbook. And so some guys come in and
Speaker 1: you know, they just are ready to play. The other
Speaker 1: thing is fit matters in the NFL. It really matters
Speaker 1: a lot. And I think they're really good organizations. Have continuity.
Speaker 1: How many years have Brett Vech Andanny Reid been together
Speaker 1: or less? Sneed and Sean McVay or Shanahan and John Lynch.
Speaker 1: Although Shanahan kind of runs the draft. I mean, he
Speaker 1: has the ultimate say. But the truth is, when you're
Speaker 1: when you're there are times Trent Bulky off in Jacksonville
Speaker 1: and San Francisco. There are times the GM and the
Speaker 1: head coach do not like each other, or you have
Speaker 1: this constant change where you know, the GM didn't hire
Speaker 1: the head coach, and you know there's a lot of
Speaker 1: careers at stake and a lot of money at stake.
Speaker 1: So continuity is really important because you know, you get
Speaker 1: this hot shot Jaguars GM. I thought that was too
Speaker 1: big of a swing for your first move. But he's
Speaker 1: got some hubrists, he's got young, good looking kid confidence,
Speaker 1: and you know, you think the coach has to say
Speaker 1: in this stuff, but what if he is just sort
Speaker 1: of a I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do. Guy.
Speaker 1: So I think continuity. Say what you want about the
Speaker 1: Steelers they draft, well, well, it's been a lot of
Speaker 1: the same people for a long long time, so they
Speaker 1: all know what each other likes and they're not competing
Speaker 1: against one another.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know the Jags, some of his his videos
Speaker 2: go viral. You know the NFL, you know, this is
Speaker 2: pretty close knit group. And I think you know some
Speaker 2: of his comments. Listen, you make a trade, you make
Speaker 2: a bold trade. No one has a problem. They can
Speaker 2: agree or disagree. But the way he described Travis Hunter,
Speaker 2: I mean, I had a text today from someone in
Speaker 2: a war room that said, we on our trade chart.
Speaker 2: They got absolutely fleeced on that trade. It wasn't even close.
Speaker 2: And sometimes you pay a premium to move up to
Speaker 2: get a quarterback, but when you pay a premium to
Speaker 2: move up to get Travis Hunter, when you don't know
Speaker 2: these guys are both brand new. I went on a
Speaker 2: walk today and I called a couple people in the
Speaker 2: league because I knew we were going to talk and
Speaker 2: just make their brain. And I asked him, I said,
Speaker 2: what's one thing that you really really struggle with? And
Speaker 2: you spoke about the players struggling to learn, and he says,
Speaker 2: I have a hard time with just dumb players because
Speaker 2: I learned early on when I got to the NFL,
Speaker 2: you can't crush a guy because he has like a
Speaker 2: two point zero GPA. Well, if he's took Jason Kidd
Speaker 2: like seven times to pass the SAT, he's one of
Speaker 2: the smartest basketball players ever. This is football, basketball, baseball.
Speaker 2: Your intelligence in the sport doesn't always translate to a
Speaker 2: classroom I don't even are most classroom can be a
Speaker 2: little overrated, like who cares how you score on a
Speaker 2: standards test. But some people just you know, are a
Speaker 2: little smarter than others, right, And he's a look at
Speaker 2: the All Pros and the Pro Bowl guys and just
Speaker 2: watch most of their interviews. Most guys. Obviously there are
Speaker 2: some smarter than others, but aren't many dumb guys and
Speaker 2: learning in the NFL when it comes to mental and
Speaker 2: physical fatigue, the combination of that. This is not college.
Speaker 2: You're playing seventeen games, you're doing a long preseason. It's
Speaker 2: the meetings actually now in football, you know, in the
Speaker 2: Jimmy Johnson, Bill Watsh, Bill Parcell's days, a lot of
Speaker 2: time on the practice field, you could really out tough
Speaker 2: a guy. You're not in pads that often anymore. It's
Speaker 2: actually turned much more into a mental game. I've watched
Speaker 2: way too many GM Press conferences the last three days,
Speaker 2: but one thing how he talked about was like the
Speaker 2: game has become such more of like a chess match
Speaker 2: and open deal and speed. It's no longer you know,
Speaker 2: Bill Romanowski meeting Lorenzo O'Neil in the hole. Like, not
Speaker 2: that teams don't run the ball, but it's a spread game.
Speaker 2: It's an offensive coordinator playing the defensive coordinator with this
Speaker 2: chess pieces. So intelligence and the speed in which you play.
Speaker 2: And that's why you get really tired because you're running
Speaker 2: NonStop against all these guys and smarter guys also typically
Speaker 2: like you can get in trouble off the field and
Speaker 2: not be a bad guy. If you're kind of dumb,
Speaker 2: you just make bad decisions right and you know, so
Speaker 2: it's hard to balance. Some guys, you know, can overcome that.
Speaker 2: Some guys never do. And you and I have talked
Speaker 2: to enough coaches over the years, you know, guys getting
Speaker 2: crushed in the media like why aren't you playing so
Speaker 2: and so it's like he doesn't know what to do.
Speaker 2: So if I throw him out there, my quarterback and
Speaker 2: my center and my star tight end are gonna freak
Speaker 2: out because this guy's gonna screw us up NonStop.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean two stories. Tom Brady one of the
Speaker 1: reasons the Patriots were absolutely dreadful on drafting wide receivers
Speaker 1: because Tom didn't want to babysit kids into the league.
Speaker 1: It didn't mean those kids were good players. But Tom
Speaker 1: was hard, like Tom was not going to wait for
Speaker 1: you to figure it out. So not that it's on Tom,
Speaker 1: but a lot of receivers struggled with Tom. I don't
Speaker 1: believe that the New England brain Trust just couldn't draft receivers.
Speaker 1: Tom made it hard because he was very impatient, come
Speaker 1: ready to play. The other thing is I asked Jimmy
Speaker 1: Johnson once in the green room at Fox. I would
Speaker 1: get there early and it pepper him with questions. And
Speaker 1: Jimmy tommy more football than anybody I've ever met. And
Speaker 1: I said, what's the most important thing? The number one quality?
Speaker 1: And I was surprised by it, because you know, those
Speaker 1: Miami programs were considered renegade. And he goes, oh, intelligence,
Speaker 1: he goes, Colin, I think I'm a good coach. If
Speaker 1: you don't take to my coaching, I'm just an average coach.
Speaker 1: If you don't take to Andy Reid's coaching or Sean
Speaker 1: mcvay's coaching, well then those are less successful coaches. You
Speaker 1: have to get people that can you can insert stuff
Speaker 1: and they can pick it up. I can remember when
Speaker 1: Randy Moss came to the Patriots. Dude, it was one
Speaker 1: practice and they were like, yeah, he knows the offense.
Speaker 1: It's like Randy just knew the game of football. It
Speaker 1: was funny. I remember people asking. I mean, I can
Speaker 1: remember the interviews and it was just like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he just kind of picked everything up. He didn't have
Speaker 1: to tell Randy Moss anything twice, Like he just instinctually
Speaker 1: knew what to do as a football player.
Speaker 2: You know, obviously this guy, you know, can be a
Speaker 2: pain sometimes and you know, got some stuff going on
Speaker 2: right now Tyreek Hill. But I remember talking to Andy
Speaker 2: Reid years ago picking his brain on draft players or
Speaker 2: you know, it was like a month before the draft
Speaker 2: and we started talking about stuff like this, and he says,
Speaker 2: people don't understand how smart Tyreek Hill is in terms
Speaker 2: of offense. I tell him one thing, He's picked it
Speaker 2: up for the rest of the year. So it's like,
Speaker 2: why did they have so much success? Obviously he's got
Speaker 2: special physical skills. They could do everything with them. Why
Speaker 2: do some guys that are these great talents, like, why
Speaker 2: aren't they using them more? He doesn't know what he's doing.
Speaker 2: He's like a Randy Moss at Tyreek Hill. You tell
Speaker 2: him one time in the middle of August. I pull
Speaker 2: that out in November and a tie game in the
Speaker 2: fourth quarter when it's freezing cold against the Ravens. Boom.
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, coach, no problem, run it, run it again.
Speaker 2: He comes to me with ideas, and that separates these guys.
Speaker 2: Most of the best players you look around at positions
Speaker 2: I'd even say historically are football geniuses, from Ed Reid
Speaker 2: to Ronnie Lott, any position right. Look look at Travis Kelsey,
Speaker 2: Him and Patrick Mahomes make up routes on It's like,
Speaker 2: why can't anyone cover Travis because they're not running place
Speaker 2: He runs whatever you go the opposite way, and it's
Speaker 2: it's from a football intellect standpoint. And he's a good example,
Speaker 2: and this is why the draft is so hard. He
Speaker 2: was a major red flag coming out of college. He's
Speaker 2: even talked about it, and he's he matured as a human,
Speaker 2: but in terms of his football IQ, like, you know,
Speaker 2: it's why some of these guys are going to fail.
Speaker 2: They can play, it's because they're not going to mature
Speaker 2: or they're not going to be able to handle football.
Speaker 2: And some of these guys, like the Ohio State crew,
Speaker 2: of guys. I think it's a bunch of on defense,
Speaker 2: bunch of higher character, tough, physical guys. But I think
Speaker 2: a lot of people viewing their their physical attribute aren't elite.
Speaker 2: You watch, I bet the group, the middle linebacker, the
Speaker 2: couple pass rushers play in the league for like a decade, right,
Speaker 2: because that's that stuff usually, Matt, Now, I don't know
Speaker 2: how good of a players are going to be, but
Speaker 2: they're going to be around for a while, guarantee it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I went. When I watched Cody Simon play for
Speaker 1: Ohio State, it was amazing. He it was as if
Speaker 1: he knew where it was going. You would watch teams
Speaker 1: run motion and Cody Simon would just fill a gap,
Speaker 1: move and the ball always came to him. That was
Speaker 1: one of the players. He was one of my favorite
Speaker 1: players in the draft. I think Ohio State has so
Speaker 1: many good players. And to your point, these Ohio State guys.
Speaker 1: Simon is such a character guy and Mecca at Buka
Speaker 1: like a plus plus plus plus.
Speaker 2: Characters where JTT that crew.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just you know that's and so credit to Ohio
Speaker 1: State and Ryan Day and because they've got they have
Speaker 1: created a program with those guys come out and they're
Speaker 1: ready to go, highly functional, very coachable.
Speaker 2: So on the first thirty eight pick, they had six
Speaker 2: of them, and their two best players in the program
Speaker 2: are still in the program in Downs and Jeremiah Smith.
Speaker 2: It's like no wonder they won the national championship.
Speaker 1: So I don't know about best draft and draft grades.
Speaker 1: I will I will say this, the Rams in Cleveland
Speaker 1: both got a first round pick next year. That really helps. Okay,
Speaker 1: So if you can get a first round pick and
Speaker 1: get a bunch of good players, which the Rams in
Speaker 1: Cleveland did, it's hard to argue that's not the best draft.
Speaker 1: But I thought the Seahawks did really well. Gray Zebel,
Speaker 1: the guard starter Nick is it a mount worry the hard.
Speaker 2: I just call him dB from South Carolina that the
Speaker 2: NFL loves. They think dude he is. Everyone speaks highly
Speaker 2: of this guy.
Speaker 1: Major, major range starter, Arroyo Elijah Arroyle, probably a rotational
Speaker 1: tight end and a starter very quickly. Jalen milroll I
Speaker 1: was told today that Seattle will use him as a
Speaker 1: rookie in six to eight plays per game. They're going
Speaker 1: to use him. Want him on the field. You get
Speaker 1: Sam Donald in the offseason, then Damian Martinez in the
Speaker 1: seventh I mean, I look at the Seahawks drafts and
Speaker 1: I was like, you've got three starters, the most athletic
Speaker 1: backup quarterback in league history. You went and got Sam
Speaker 1: Donald in free agency. I think that's an upgrade. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's a small upgrade oer Gino Smith, and then you
Speaker 1: get Damian Martinez, who will be your third back, but
Speaker 1: because the Seahawks backs tend to get banged up, he
Speaker 1: actually will play. I thought Seattle had a really really
Speaker 1: good weekend. Is there any team that jumped out to
Speaker 1: you everyone? I texted, Seattle's the first team they bring up.
Speaker 2: Now. John Schneider is extremely highly thought of in that community.
Speaker 2: Like people, they just like the guy, and they think
Speaker 2: he's really really good at his job. You know, I
Speaker 2: think a lot of people. I think the Raiders are
Speaker 2: just trying to get the train back on the tracks.
Speaker 2: And listen, I week in debate, did they taken the
Speaker 2: running back too high? The second round guy? They took
Speaker 2: the TCU wide receiver Beck, whose brother had died in
Speaker 2: the New Orleans attack. He started at LSU, he transferred
Speaker 2: to TCU. They're just getting like, you know, for a
Speaker 2: while when they had Mayock and Gruden, and this carried
Speaker 2: into Josh McDaniels like he had to coach these guys.
Speaker 2: They were taking some crazy flyers on individuals that the
Speaker 2: league was like, what are you doing? And part of
Speaker 2: just being a solid team is just having some dependable players,
Speaker 2: and I think for a long time they have just
Speaker 2: you know, Al Davis kind of carried into the franchise
Speaker 2: even though he was long gone. Obviously, get Gruden back,
Speaker 2: who's basically his mentors Al Davis. I think you get
Speaker 2: John spy Tech, who, like we talked about Jason Light
Speaker 2: who I think we could say they're draft too, but
Speaker 2: their draft every year. He's one of the best. John
Speaker 2: spy Tech is to me, the next Jason Light. John
Speaker 2: you know, less sneed like a scout. Scout, you know.
Speaker 2: John Lynch is an example of a guy a different route.
Speaker 2: How he's viewed more like this hybrid can do a
Speaker 2: bunch of stuff. John spy Tech his background isn't scouting.
Speaker 2: He understands players. I think, I think I don't know
Speaker 2: how good their team's going to be, but I just
Speaker 2: think going to be solid where they have had a
Speaker 2: lot of holes because it's like, wait, you just drafted
Speaker 2: Alex Leatherwood in the seventh seventeenth overall half the league
Speaker 2: didn't have the guy on the draft board. What are
Speaker 2: you doing? And I think those days you kind of
Speaker 2: just get away from. And one thing I've come around
Speaker 2: on genty again, I'm pro Genti the player. I just
Speaker 2: think taking a running back really high is pretty risky
Speaker 2: is I watched Pete Carroll talk about it. I was like,
Speaker 2: you know, he's got a pretty good history of like
Speaker 2: picking running backs because if you count USC as a
Speaker 2: pro program, which it basically was, like, he kind of
Speaker 2: knows what he's doing at that position. So I would
Speaker 2: imagine it's gonna work, especially with Chip and his I mean,
Speaker 2: Chip's a run first, ideally offensive coordinator. And you know,
Speaker 2: Tampa is another example. I just think that that that
Speaker 2: team has kind of set the bar. I mean, they're
Speaker 2: gonna be better this year. I know they've won the
Speaker 2: division a couple of years in a row, but they
Speaker 2: had a lot of injuries last year and they barely
Speaker 2: won that division. It wouldn't shock me if they win it.
Speaker 2: I honestly I could see Carolina like being better than
Speaker 2: some of these.
Speaker 1: Did you see did you see the story Carolina got
Speaker 1: Tea Mack, the receiver from Arizona. Did you see the
Speaker 1: story that? And they didn't really go after a receiver
Speaker 1: until the seventh round, but the Rams were interested in
Speaker 1: moving up to get him. They were interested. So I
Speaker 1: mean the Rams were not really in the receiver hunting ground, right,
Speaker 1: they didn't. They got the guy from Pittsburgh in round seven.
Speaker 1: The Rams were interested in te Mac Now. I had
Speaker 1: heard that like Will Johnson, he had turned off some teams,
Speaker 1: but he didn't turn off the Rams and he didn't
Speaker 1: turn off Carolina. As you know, it takes one team.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Giants really like Jackson Dart. My people
Speaker 1: were very hit and miss on Jackson Dart mostly missed.
Speaker 1: They didn't see him as a first round quarterback. Well
Speaker 1: the Giants did, so it doesn't take that many people.
Speaker 1: Everybody like that South Carolina safety. The Seahawks got like
Speaker 1: everybody in the league like him exactly, everybody.
Speaker 2: Like Malachi Starks. It's like universal praise.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's so I want to I want to
Speaker 1: I want to circle back on this.
Speaker 2: So you don't think the Rams would have taken Jackson
Speaker 2: Dark because I saw someone say that. That's why the
Speaker 2: Giants traded up because they were afraid that the Rams,
Speaker 2: and then obviously the Rams then backed up.
Speaker 1: Well, the Rams, I asked Less over a text six
Speaker 1: months ago. I sent a mock draft to him and
Speaker 1: he said, it's probably less said, and I can say
Speaker 1: it now. I guess probably not a great year to
Speaker 1: need a quarterback in the first round, he said, plenty
Speaker 1: of talented guys later. So once they gave up their
Speaker 1: first round pick, I don't think they were going to
Speaker 1: draft Jackson Dart. My intel is they weren't. They interviewed
Speaker 1: him and he would have been able to sit for
Speaker 1: two years. But Jackson Dart is a player. There's too
Speaker 1: many similarities to Zach Wilson, including the same high school
Speaker 1: and the same offense in high school. And I came
Speaker 1: back and again, if the Giants like him, they like him.
Speaker 1: So I'm not going to, you know, crush the job.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have done it. But if you like him,
Speaker 1: you like him. And obviously the Giants didn't after that
Speaker 1: interview were not into Shador, and then Jackson Dart was
Speaker 1: the next most ready to play guy. When Lane Kiffin
Speaker 1: is your coach and Lane gives you about twelve completions
Speaker 1: a game just on scheme. Okay, now I need you
Speaker 1: to hit six to seven on your own. And there
Speaker 1: were games. I watched that Florida game when he crapped
Speaker 1: the bed. It was the biggest game for Ole Miss
Speaker 1: in a long time, and I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people watch that game, and that was a tough environment.
Speaker 1: So Jackson had too many games against big, big games.
Speaker 1: And those are the games that you know before you
Speaker 1: break down film. You're an NFL GM on a Saturday,
Speaker 1: all misplays LSU or Bammer or Georgia. You're watching that
Speaker 1: football game. There's twenty NFL guys on that field. Jackson
Speaker 1: didn't play well in a lot of those games.
Speaker 2: You know. I also think it's important. You know, I
Speaker 2: had heard Carolina felt very good about the Arizona wide receiver,
Speaker 2: and I think when you add a couple of people,
Speaker 2: tell me this, when you have a smaller quarterback, you know,
Speaker 2: it's easy for Tom Brady or Peyton Manning it's six
Speaker 2: five sixty six or that whole kind of era of
Speaker 2: quarterbacks really tall to see everybody. I could have four
Speaker 2: Julian Edelmans and I can just pepper him. It's harder
Speaker 2: for Kyler Murray and Bryce Young to see those guys.
Speaker 2: So who's Kyler Murray's number one target? It's not actually
Speaker 2: the wide receiver, it's Trey McBride because it's easier from
Speaker 2: my vantage point to see the head of a six
Speaker 2: four to six five guy. So I think they really
Speaker 2: valued his size for their young quarterback. That kind of
Speaker 2: like gave the franchise hope that who knows what would
Speaker 2: happen if he did not look good down the stretch.
Speaker 2: We might have been talking about Carolina thinking about drafting
Speaker 2: Jackson Dark so he changed the narrative on his career.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I think the Rams, you know they took.
Speaker 2: I watched McVeigh talk about ferguson the tight end they
Speaker 2: took from Oregon or he really likes them, So I
Speaker 2: think they were really desperate to get some on offensive
Speaker 2: now that Cooper's gone to help Pook out with just
Speaker 2: a high end offensive weapon, if they could ever get
Speaker 2: the running back hold onto the ball, they'd have a
Speaker 2: pretty dominant offense.
Speaker 1: Well, they also they didn't draft a corner, and that's
Speaker 1: an area of need that they went to another running back.
Speaker 1: So does that tell you that Blake Koram's bust. They
Speaker 1: got Blake in the third. They went and got another
Speaker 1: running back. I know they've been frustrated with Kyron Williams fumbles,
Speaker 1: but they drafted Blake Korm and did not play him
Speaker 1: much last year. Now he got injured late. But my
Speaker 1: takeaway not drafting a corner and then taking the Auburn
Speaker 1: running back. So they got DeVante Williams, they went and
Speaker 1: got a tight end, and they went and got a
Speaker 1: running back. So it feels like to me, this draft
Speaker 1: for the Rams was listen, we've been paying attention to
Speaker 1: defense for two years. We got it. We're gonna We're
Speaker 1: gonna let cornerback go for a year. Tight end, running
Speaker 1: back Davante Adams. This is an offensive leaning draft, so
Speaker 1: I think. But I thought that was interesting. They took
Speaker 1: the Auburn running back who I watched play. He's got
Speaker 1: some breakaway to him. But Blake Korum was a third
Speaker 1: round pick. Why would you do that in a year
Speaker 1: you absolutely need a corner.
Speaker 2: It could also be you know kier and Williams big
Speaker 2: picture eventually, or are you gonna pay him? Are you
Speaker 2: gonna pivot off him? You just you have options, you know,
Speaker 2: running is a position where a lot of teams they
Speaker 2: draft them basically every year. Yep, you just kind of
Speaker 2: keep turning it in and out. This was a good
Speaker 2: running back draft. I also think when you have I mean,
Speaker 2: their defensive line is a chance to be really good.
Speaker 2: If those two young guys take another step, good defensive
Speaker 2: line will make average corners look pretty good because they
Speaker 2: are pepper in the quarterback. So that's that makes it
Speaker 2: a little easier to just we'll figure it out in
Speaker 2: our defensive backfield with our defensive linemen becoming stars.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I went and looked, and this is something
Speaker 1: that to me is really interesting. I went and looked
Speaker 1: at next year's mock first round draft. So there was
Speaker 1: Arch Manning, Clemson's quarterback, Drew Aller, the Penn State quarterback,
Speaker 1: Nuss Meyer the LSU quarterback. There were four quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: the first round, and there will absolutely be two to
Speaker 1: three that emerge over the course.
Speaker 2: South Carolina kids someone to keep an eye on. He's yep,
Speaker 2: pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: So but it is interesting that I think the Browns,
Speaker 1: by moving down and the Rams by moving down in
Speaker 1: their first round, both told you we're going after quarterbacks
Speaker 1: next year. That's what makes the Brown so fascinating because
Speaker 1: to your theory and point was, I really believe you're
Speaker 1: onto something that they signaled early we're going big game
Speaker 1: hunting next year. I really do think you're probably right
Speaker 1: that they drafted Dylan Gabriel overdrafted him because they didn't
Speaker 1: want Jimmy Haslam to say, hey, remember because Haslam was
Speaker 1: Johnny Manziel guy. Haslam flashy Johnny Manziel. Teams like New
Speaker 1: England took him off the board. Haslam was a Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson guy. So I think, you know, Steve Bashatti of
Speaker 1: the Ravens has real pull, even on draft day of
Speaker 1: the Ravens, but he he's he's really smart. Cleveland's history,
Speaker 1: as you pointed out with that owner, is they they
Speaker 1: they showed you by trading down to the fifth pick
Speaker 1: next year is the quarterback draft class. And I was
Speaker 1: told that, by the way, by a friend of Andrew
Speaker 1: Berry is they just did not like this class.
Speaker 2: Well, and think about isn't Haslam a big Tennessee guy.
Speaker 2: He's close friends with the Manning family in that circle.
Speaker 2: When they made that move, it was probably an easy
Speaker 2: sell for them because part of doing that job in
Speaker 2: that organization is you got to sell it to the owner.
Speaker 2: It's like next year we'll go after Arch, which I
Speaker 2: don't know where you stand. I feel it's a little
Speaker 2: I get it comes with the territory of that last name. Like,
Speaker 2: let's see him play some real games. I know he
Speaker 2: doesn't have the biggest arm. I think someone's already said
Speaker 2: he's really more like his dad than his big you know,
Speaker 2: his brothers. He does not play like Peyton Eli. I
Speaker 2: hope he's good. He's easy to root for, but like
Speaker 2: I watched his arm, it looked more like Shador Sanders
Speaker 2: than it did Josh Allen. And I think he's already
Speaker 2: being talked about like he's John Elway or something and
Speaker 2: that kind. For instance, you see how many people getting drafted,
Speaker 2: I would imagine the SEC are going to lead it. Again,
Speaker 2: I haven't seen Texas schedule, but I would imagine it's
Speaker 2: not easy. Let's it's who and who even knows. Maybe
Speaker 2: he's there for a couple of years. He's only going
Speaker 2: to be what a red shirt sophomore.
Speaker 1: Let's end it with this. So I had said a
Speaker 1: year ago Quinn yours was a first round pick, and
Speaker 1: I kept being sold on Quinn Yours as a first
Speaker 1: round pick, and I kept saying all the year, I
Speaker 1: don't get it. I just I think he's Drew lock
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't get it. So he got drafted in
Speaker 1: like the seventh round.
Speaker 2: I like Drew lockmore.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so that is the classic. When Shadeur was dropping,
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I mean, will Howard through for
Speaker 1: a million yards and one of Natty He's not getting drafted.
Speaker 1: I mean, Jalen Milroe is one of the great athletes ever.
Speaker 1: He's not going first couple of rounds. And you know,
Speaker 1: and I think Shdur is better than both of them
Speaker 1: as I sit in the pocket throw the ball. But
Speaker 1: it's just interesting to show you how things can change.
Speaker 1: Quinn Ewers was a five star best high school Quoteraback
Speaker 1: goes to Texas, beats out arch Manning a couple of years,
Speaker 1: and my take was always when I watched him, is
Speaker 1: He's got Texas's dominant O line and he still won't
Speaker 1: throw the ball down the field like in the NFL.
Speaker 1: He reminded me of a less town of Derek Carr.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Derek, wind it up, go downfield, like he
Speaker 1: was the classic checkdown guy with Texas protection. So that's
Speaker 1: an example where when people all freak out about people
Speaker 1: not being drafted. Remember two years ago, Sam Howe in season,
Speaker 1: when the season started, people are like Sam how late,
Speaker 1: first round. He went fifth round. So I think with quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: he started digging into film. Maybe there's some intangible stuff
Speaker 1: that makes you uneasy. I didn't want to overreact to
Speaker 1: Shuder Sanders. I just I felt in the end when
Speaker 1: his dad on Super Bowl Week was saying, you know,
Speaker 1: we're going with our terms. He was talking directly to
Speaker 1: the seven teams, most of them bad teams that needed
Speaker 1: a quarterback.
Speaker 2: I think, you know, for quinn Ewers, I think when
Speaker 2: the schedule comes out and all these teams get together
Speaker 2: in training camp, there are probably, depending on the year,
Speaker 2: six or seven games where basically every team is going
Speaker 2: to be represented at and every GM, whether they're on
Speaker 2: the road or at home, is going to watch on television.
Speaker 2: And last year that was Oregon, Ohio State, that was
Speaker 2: Georgia Texas, that was Georgia Alabama. It was a short
Speaker 2: list of games. You don't unsee quinn Ewers against that
Speaker 2: Georgia team. You just don't. And we didn't un see
Speaker 2: it with Carson Beck either everyone's like I'm out on
Speaker 2: Carson Beck and Jalen Milroe is a good example. People
Speaker 2: don't forget that first half he had against Georgia where
Speaker 2: he looked like I don't know the best player in
Speaker 2: the country. Even if just like, okay, he played shit
Speaker 2: against Vanderbilt, that's not ideal, But people aren't breaking down
Speaker 2: the Vanderbilt tape. You're watching them against Georgia, you're watching
Speaker 2: them against last year of Michigan, You're watching him against Texas,
Speaker 2: like those are the games that matter to you, because
Speaker 2: Vanderbilt doesn't have any NFL guys, And that's where I
Speaker 2: think sometimes these conversations. Shador is a good example. When
Speaker 2: I was talking to Buddy, I was like, I like
Speaker 2: Schador just like everybody else. I like Travis Hunter Two.
Speaker 2: Travis Hunters is not playing NFL people in the Big Twelve.
Speaker 2: There aren't really NFL people in the Big Twelve. They
Speaker 2: had thirty one players drafted total. For example, the SEC
Speaker 2: had eighty, so I mean, and two of those were
Speaker 2: obviously multiple were Colorado guys. So you have to balance it.
Speaker 2: If Shador had done what he had done in the SEC,
Speaker 2: you couldn't bypass the talent because you're like, you're throwing
Speaker 2: these touchdowns. But the conference he's doing it against, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: fair or not, he doesn't get that much respect in
Speaker 2: the conference. You get way more respects, like, well, Jayalen
Speaker 2: Miller has been a multi year starter at Alabama. It's
Speaker 2: just way harder to play in that conference. Quinn Ewrs
Speaker 2: was just so bad Carson Beck. But they get a
Speaker 2: lot of respect playing in that conference if you just
Speaker 2: play well. But he played really bad and like you said,
Speaker 2: you were, I mean, he made one of the biggest
Speaker 2: throws of the year in that game against Arizona State
Speaker 2: where it looked like they were gonna lose on like
Speaker 2: fourth and ten or whatever. But I'd be like, it
Speaker 2: was Arizona State, not Georgia. You know that's and fair
Speaker 2: not you get judged by the competition. This is not
Speaker 2: where in the NFL. Even if you're playing Jacksonville they
Speaker 2: got a lot of good players, It's not like that
Speaker 2: in college football, right, So it's the discrepancy in the
Speaker 2: draft by the lists. I mean, twelve is not a
Speaker 2: good conference column at all.
Speaker 1: This pro wise, Ashton Gent. Everybody in the NFL kept
Speaker 1: telling me it's the Oregon game. If he doesn't play Oregon,
Speaker 1: because he wasn't dominated against Penn State, If he doesn't
Speaker 1: play Oregon, there's a lot more questions. Everybody went to
Speaker 1: the Oregon game and went, well, shit, they got defensive
Speaker 1: linemen that are pros, corners that are pros, and he
Speaker 1: was great against Oregon that got him drafted.
Speaker 2: You hear a lot like the Bowling Green tight end
Speaker 2: gets drafted or whoever. Some of these smaller school guys.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, look at what they played Penn State
Speaker 2: and when they played Michigan Khalil Mack who played at Buffalo,
Speaker 2: he had three sacks against Ohio State. I think Taylor
Speaker 2: Decker was their offensive tackle. So like, no one cares
Speaker 2: about the other games in the MAC, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: they judge your attributes and stuff. But yeah, like you said,
Speaker 2: Ashton Genty ran all over the Washington States in San
Speaker 2: Diego States, he ran for two bills against Oregon and
Speaker 2: Dan Lanning. You hear all these coaches in these press conferences.
Speaker 2: He's really highly thought of the way he runs his program,
Speaker 2: how good his players are. So I think people struggle,
Speaker 2: like not all things are equal, you know, Georgia. Oh,
Speaker 2: look at Old Miss. Look how many guys Lane Kifvin
Speaker 2: had drafted. You know that conference. This argument about the
Speaker 2: SEC like it's it ended a long time ago. They
Speaker 2: have the best players by a mile in honestly, it's
Speaker 2: not even close. I mean, look at two of the
Speaker 2: best players on Ohio State. They got downs from Alabama
Speaker 2: and the running back from Ole Miss. So it's like,
Speaker 2: what are we talking in? The Big Ten's clearly a
Speaker 2: high level conference, but the ace CC with Florida State
Speaker 2: down and Clemson not being what it was, it's kind
Speaker 2: of falling off a cliff.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know it used to be.
Speaker 2: It used to be almost felt like three conferences. The
Speaker 2: ACC was kind of right there with the the ACC.
Speaker 1: ACC games can.
Speaker 2: Be a rough watch big time. If you add up Colin,
Speaker 2: the ACC and the Big twelve forty two and thirty
Speaker 2: one total drafted players, that's seventy three. That's only two
Speaker 2: more total than the Big Ten, and that's six less
Speaker 2: than the SEC. That's combining the other two Power four conferences.
Speaker 2: That's a pretty big gap, yea, doubling it in terms
Speaker 2: of pros
Speaker 1: As Old was great stuff, buddy, see you Colin, the
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