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Speaker 1: They lose to Minnesota one sixteen to one thirteen in

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Speaker 1: a spectacular game. You know, people complain about the NBA.

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Speaker 1: They're such an effort size and defensive led team. I

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Speaker 1: So this is a team that has the best clutch

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Speaker 1: All Right, John, Obviously, this story of the draft with

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Speaker 2: I mean obviously, like you, I did a lot of

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Speaker 2: Drew Brees said this a long time ago. Playing quarterback

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Speaker 2: my physical qualities. Peyton Manning couldn't beat me or you

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Speaker 2: People love the guy. Dylan Gabriel, he had to be

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Speaker 2: And if you're like cam Ward, who is viewed as

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Speaker 2: They don't care at all. Travis Hunter, I googled his

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So I talked to an NFL general manager yesterday

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Speaker 1: You're hiring CEOs. Mcveig is a CEO. Dan Campbell's not

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Speaker 1: a scheme genius, he's a CEO. And he said, that's

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Speaker 1: what you're so he goes, that's what a quarterback is.

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Speaker 1: He's your CEO on the field, So temperament, maturity. Do

428
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Speaker 1: guys rally around him? So the interview, how do you

429
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Speaker 1: hire Sean mcvahan. Not let him out of the building.

430
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Speaker 1: It's not his resume, it's his interview, And so I

431
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Speaker 1: do think and this stuff. You know, obviously Brian Dabole

432
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Speaker 1: the Giants is going to say it, oh, the interview

433
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Speaker 1: was great because Brian Dable has to go back on

434
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Speaker 1: that Colorado campus over the next four or five years

435
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Speaker 1: or next ten years. So you'll never hear a coach

436
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Speaker 1: bang on a university or a coach because that coach

437
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Speaker 1: is going to have four to five NFL players the

438
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Speaker 1: next year. So you just swallow it and go, yeah,

439
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Speaker 1: that was a great interview. But I think there's more

440
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Speaker 1: than enough smoke here that that process wasn't great, And

441
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Speaker 1: I you know, I'll say it again, I do not

442
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Speaker 1: like and again I did not think this would be

443
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Speaker 1: an issue, but I was forced to talk about it.

444
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Speaker 1: Once he's dropping out of the first, the second, the third,

445
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Speaker 1: the fourth, Then I'm forced to talk about it. And

446
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Speaker 1: my take was, well, if you're really making me pick,

447
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Speaker 1: what's a problem. I do think Dion during super Bowl

448
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Speaker 1: Week exclaiming this is on our terms. It wasn't until

449
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Speaker 1: mid to late March that Dion went Okay, he can

450
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Speaker 1: go anywhere, and I think it pissed people off. I

451
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Speaker 1: know I know one team that was totally turned off.

452
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Speaker 1: And remember, you go into a draft, John, as you

453
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Speaker 1: noted earlier, there's usually like, for instance, the Rams, the

454
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Speaker 1: Rams decided before this draft they were going after a

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Speaker 1: quarterback next year. That the Rams made a decision in house,

456
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Speaker 1: we probably need to get one in house, but we're

457
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Speaker 1: going to go for it next year. That's why they

458
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Speaker 1: made that trade with Atlanta to get two first next

459
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Speaker 1: year because their first will be deep. So they're looking

460
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Speaker 1: for a top twelve to fifteen first and if they

461
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Speaker 1: have to use both to get like the second pick,

462
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Speaker 1: because you're going to have Drew Aller, Clemson's quarterback Arch

463
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Speaker 1: Manning so if they want to get up to like

464
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Speaker 1: third or fourth in the draft, they need a second one.

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Speaker 1: So the Rams. There's about seven teams a year that

466
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Speaker 1: need a quarterback, either as a starter or a backup,

467
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Speaker 1: and the Rams immediately decided with their trade, we're getting

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Speaker 1: ours next year.

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Speaker 4: I think if you just looked at all the starters

470
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Speaker 4: in the league the team are either obviously elated to

471
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Speaker 4: have or feel good about, I don't think you would

472
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Speaker 4: find one that is in basically an A plus off

473
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Speaker 4: the field.

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Speaker 2: And I think the one guy who's clearly mature, I

475
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Speaker 2: don't know if Kyler Murray would fall under a plus,

476
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Speaker 2: but he's clearly matured. I mean now living in Arizona,

477
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Speaker 2: seeing the comments from him, and from a talent standpoint,

478
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Speaker 2: I mean, you're older than me. He's got to be

479
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Speaker 2: one of the most unique talents in the history of

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Speaker 2: pro sports. That's what I mean. He's one of the

481
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Speaker 2: great blue chip physical attribute talents in any sport. Ever,

482
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Speaker 2: we won't see a guy again get drafted in the

483
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Speaker 2: top ten and number one over court. He's type ninth.

484
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Speaker 2: So it's like, yeah, it was a learning curve in

485
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Speaker 2: his maturity. He's matured. Some guy's mature, slower. We've seen

486
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Speaker 2: Baker and some of these guys, but for the most part,

487
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Speaker 2: they are a plus everything in terms of leadership, in tangibles,

488
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Speaker 2: work ethic, people just like being around. There's no question.

489
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Speaker 2: It never comes up. The last unit in the building

490
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Speaker 2: I want to think ever about is my overall quarterback unit,

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Speaker 2: even just my starter, just the group. I know I'm

492
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Speaker 2: going to have a couple d line issues, maybe a

493
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Speaker 2: wide receiver, the quarterback issue. It's the last thing on

494
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Speaker 2: my mind beside like an injury or something that I

495
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Speaker 2: have to make like a tangible transaction for And he

496
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Speaker 2: basically handed him Like they started seeing what they see

497
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Speaker 2: in other positions and they're like, this is insane and

498
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Speaker 2: this is ocean that like the collusion and stuff. It's

499
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Speaker 2: just it was honestly kind of embarrassing by a lot

500
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Speaker 2: of people around the NFL. I think it you know,

501
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Speaker 2: former players and stuff. I think it was bad look

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Speaker 2: by a lot of people that have no fucking clue

503
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Speaker 2: what they're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's you and I basically you have you worked

505
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Speaker 1: in the league, and I have more sources. There are

506
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Speaker 1: two conversations that go on about the NFL. One is

507
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Speaker 1: public one as private. I'm talking to two people today.

508
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Speaker 1: Those conversations never hit the air, but they're giving me

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Speaker 1: background on stuff. I do not think we both like

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Speaker 1: Shador as a player, like not love. I don't think

511
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Speaker 1: he's a bad guy. I want to clarify. I don't

512
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Speaker 1: think he's a bad guy. No one does. No one does.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's a bad guy, but I do.

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Speaker 1: You know, I said this on the show Friday, paying

515
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Speaker 1: for the quarterback draft room with legendary all over it.

516
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Speaker 1: It's like, bro, come on, just just the New York

517
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: Giant shoes. It's like, dude, just scale back a little

518
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Speaker 1: until until you're drafted, then do whatever you want. And

519
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Speaker 1: then you combine it with his dad, who did not

520
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Speaker 1: you know, I've been saying this quarterback Dad's become pageant mom.

521
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Speaker 1: Then his dad in January and February during Super Bowl

522
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Speaker 1: interviews as saying they're just some teams we're not going

523
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Speaker 1: to play for. It's like, Dad, you're not helping here.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll give you two examples. I mean your boys

525
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Speaker 2: with Kime he's representing and clutches Jalen Milroe. Everyone that

526
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: met Jalen Miloe is like he's not even accurate, and

527
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Speaker 2: they're like, we want to like this guy. I mean,

528
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Speaker 2: the best example in recent memory is Chris Ballard, who

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Speaker 2: I would say the Colts plays a pretty high premium

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Speaker 2: on the person. And I remember hearing all this about

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Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson. They're like, you know, I wanted to not

532
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Speaker 2: like Anthony Richson based on his tape, But then you

533
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Speaker 2: start meeting them in the draft process, the league start

534
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Speaker 2: to like him.

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Speaker 1: I heard this about EJ. Manual years ago. I met EJ. Manuel.

536
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Speaker 1: You fell in love with a human.

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Speaker 2: Most quarterbacks, it's like, God, I love this guy. You know,

538
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Speaker 2: hold your girlfriend tight because you're just like that. Those

539
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Speaker 2: are the type people they gravitate toward. And this is

540
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Speaker 2: the first one in recent memory that turned everyone off.

541
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Speaker 2: Like this was universal. And again when I say everyone,

542
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Speaker 2: Andy Reid and the Eagles aren't spending time scouting this

543
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Speaker 2: guy closely. So it's a small group of.

544
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Speaker 1: Teams that he needed.

545
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Speaker 2: And so you go to the fifth round like he

546
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Speaker 2: is now it's we can just talk about the room.

547
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Speaker 2: It's very difficult. There are there are only so many

548
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Speaker 2: reps at practice, so we know Joe Flacco is going

549
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Speaker 2: to be the starter. And then they got this group.

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Speaker 2: I think it's pretty clear that the coaching staff and

551
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Speaker 2: the GM two IVY League guys they like Dylan Gabriel,

552
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Speaker 2: so why they drafted him in the third round. I

553
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Speaker 2: think it's fair to say Jason Lloyd, who's like the

554
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Speaker 2: Tim Kawakami of the Cleveland Area covers all these Cleveland

555
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 2: sports wrote a pretty an article on the Athletic yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Oh he is.

557
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: Clearly you know this was an owner pick because what world.

558
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Speaker 2: Look look at the reaction on Twitter. You know they

559
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 2: got posted. In the draft room, Stefanski looked like you

560
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: wanted to jump off a bridge. Andrew Berry's comments in

561
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Speaker 2: the press conference was like, yeah, the value, but the

562
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Speaker 2: way they talked about Dylan Gabriel and the other players.

563
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Speaker 2: We have a history now with Jimmy Hasle, like Deshaun

564
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Speaker 2: Watson was out until Jimmy said no, we're doing this.

565
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Speaker 2: And now you get into another situation where it's like

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Speaker 2: you drafted a quarterback. Kind of take a step back.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna have a couple draft picks, but Jimmy has them,

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Speaker 2: because in what world does it make sense? Because you

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Speaker 2: go well in any other position, you take multiple quarterbacks. True,

570
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Speaker 2: but in practice, I can rotate my tight ends or

571
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Speaker 2: my running backs from my defensive lineman literally every play.

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Speaker 2: If you go to an NFL or a college practice,

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Speaker 2: you're ones and twos. If there are twelve reps during

574
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Speaker 2: a session, the ones get eight and the twos get four.

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Speaker 2: You don't have that many spots for like the six quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: So how Gabriel's drafted higher, he's going to get more spots.

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Speaker 2: I think it's just a weird It feels like it's

578
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Speaker 2: got Jimmy Haslam written all over it. And you see

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Speaker 2: the look on Stefanski's face, like, guys, get me out

580
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Speaker 2: of here. This is crazy because how could you go

581
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Speaker 2: from Deshaun Watson to then taking a quarterback in the

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Speaker 2: third round to then taking him in the fifth with

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Speaker 2: everything that comes along with it. It doesn't make that

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Speaker 2: much sense. Also from a yeah, I don't know. I

585
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Speaker 2: just I think it's just a clunky, weird spot. I

586
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Speaker 2: don't It's not out of Shador's control, but it didn't

587
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Speaker 2: make sense. No one takes a quarterback in the third

588
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Speaker 2: and a fifth. It never happens. It's a numbers game.

589
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Speaker 2: It just you can't practice.

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Speaker 1: My guess is Flacco wins the job in Shadure is

591
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Speaker 1: probably more impressive in practice. I mean, I think he's

592
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Speaker 1: better than Dylan Gabriel and I just think he is.

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Speaker 2: Mean I do too, But this is the other element,

594
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Speaker 2: you know, if Jimmy does force them to do it,

595
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Speaker 2: which to me, I agreed with the take. I'm like,

596
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Speaker 2: that's what it felt like. You can still It's not

597
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 2: like Jimmy sets the practice schedule, who's getting the reps

598
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 2: so you can manipulate it as a coach. Happens all

599
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 2: over the league, right, you talked to some of these gms,

600
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: like a player, the coach likes a player, and you

601
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Speaker 2: kind of you can argue all you want in the room,

602
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Speaker 2: but at practice, the GM doesn't get to run practice.

603
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Speaker 2: So I'm with you, Like, I think Shador is a

604
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 2: better player than Dylan Gabriel. I think drafting Dylan Gabriel

605
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Speaker 2: in the third's pretty bold, Like, yeah, I didn't love

606
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 2: that pick. So my theory was they're no dummies. They've

607
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Speaker 2: been around Jimmy long enough they realize that, like, as

608
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Speaker 2: Shador falls, he's going to force them to take Shador Sanders.

609
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Speaker 2: So they go, listen, we'd love to take this guy

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Speaker 2: in the fourth or fifth, let's take him now. So

611
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Speaker 2: it kind of shuts him up. But then Shador just

612
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 2: kept plummeting and they didn't have a choice once they

613
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Speaker 2: got to the fifth round, when he's like, you gotta

614
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Speaker 2: do it. So my theory is they overdrafted him to

615
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Speaker 2: shut up the owner. And because any visual you saw

616
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Speaker 2: of Stefanski and Barry, he's right over their backs. Right

617
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 2: you see most rooms the owners next to him or

618
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Speaker 2: in the corner, just like hanging out. He's right behind him,

619
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Speaker 2: kind of hovering. I mean, it's a that's a bizarre place, Colin,

620
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Speaker 2: it really is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's you know, just to show you

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Speaker 1: how much intangibles matter that you talked about earlier, think

623
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Speaker 1: about this. Baker Mayfield won a playoff game for the

624
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Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns, and not only when a playoff game, beat

625
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Speaker 1: their number one rival, the Pittsburgh Steelers, and they moved

626
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Speaker 1: off him, not because he couldn't play because of the intangibles.

627
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Speaker 1: Think about that. Just say, Cleveland Browns win a playoff

628
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Speaker 1: game over the Steelers, that should give you three contracts.

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Speaker 1: They moved off him. So when people listen to this

630
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Speaker 1: and think, well, the intangibles, no, it's a seventy to

631
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Speaker 1: thirty intangible league when it comes to quarterbacks. Baker has

632
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: now matured and they love him in Tampa and I

633
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: love the fit, but they moved off of him Andrew

634
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Speaker 1: Berry and Stefanski because he kept inflaming press conference and

635
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Speaker 1: he just couldn't He just wasn't ready for to be

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Speaker 1: like lead of franchise. So your point is, I've said

637
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Speaker 1: this for years about Dak Prescott. He's not an impressor

638
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: impressive thrower of the football. His intangibles are amazing, his

639
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: tangibles are mediocre. Dan Mullen came on my show, had

640
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: him at Mississippi State. He's like, hey, he's not impressive

641
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: throwing the football. I mean we never thought, oh, he

642
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: throws the best football on Mississippi State. His intangibles were

643
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: through the roof. So this stuff absolutely matters.

644
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Speaker 2: I mean, look a look at Party. You know, I

645
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 2: would say his intangibles, he's He's got Patrick Mahone's level

646
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 2: in tangibles.

647
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Speaker 1: All right.

648
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 2: I mean, Sam Darnold is talking now for two years

649
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 2: about what he's taught him off the field. Party's like

650
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 2: twenty five years old. So you can get by with

651
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 2: average characteristics which Shadoor has Dak, I would say, cousins,

652
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: it would fall under that, right, Jared Goff's not exactly

653
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,959
Speaker 2: quick or a huge arm By being elite off the field,

654
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 2: your study habits how you are as a leader, how

655
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 2: you are as you know, the captain is the guy

656
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 2: that everyone's falling. I think Tampa really benefits from getting

657
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,719
Speaker 2: the version of Baker that they have now, who is

658
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: like I think everything John Dorsey wanted and Jason light

659
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 2: now benefits from that. So listen, where do you get

660
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 2: drafted doesn't define your career. You know, people freak out always,

661
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 2: and you and I have talked about this, like getting

662
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 2: drafted in the third round is some travesty. It's like, guys,

663
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 2: there's a small percentage of people that are even playing

664
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 2: high level D one football, And you see by the

665
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 2: draft picks, if you don't play in the SEC or

666
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 2: the Big ten, you're at a huge disadvantage trying to

667
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 2: get to the league. So like, listen, he is a

668
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 2: fifth round pick that he fallow couple round sure, but

669
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Speaker 2: if he's good, the cream usually rises in the NFL.

670
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I do think he is a first or

671
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Speaker 1: a second round pick. Yeah, I was watching the draft

672
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: and there were three players that jumped out to me

673
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: that I think it's a very This signifies that it

674
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: wasn't a star draft, but it was a starter draft.

675
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: Cody Simon gets drafted by Arizona, a team that had

676
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: a good draft, in the fourth He was an trummendous

677
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: inside linebacker for Ohio State. He was in on every play,

678
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: every run play, he was there. Damien Martinez the Seahawks

679
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 1: get him the Miami running back in the seventh round.

680
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 1: He averaged four and a half yards of carry. Jabar

681
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,240
Speaker 1: Mohammad for Oregon a starting corner for Oregon. The Jags

682
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: got him as an undrafted free agent. Now he's a

683
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: He's not a great athlete. His vertical went from twenty

684
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,959
Speaker 1: three to like thirty in the combine, so he really

685
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: worked at it. But those are not maybe great players.

686
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: But in any draft that Cody Simon for Ohio State's

687
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: going in the middle fourth round, to me, that's a

688
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 1: pretty decent draft. That is a football player.

689
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, it's not. I don't think people would

690
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 2: bet their careers on the high end, like a bunch

691
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 2: of All pros and Hall of famers. But I think

692
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 2: when you look at the second and third round, and

693
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 2: you and I are degenerate Saturd Day football watchers. There

694
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 2: are a lot of guys that are gonna play in

695
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 2: the NFL for a long time. I mean the amount

696
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 2: of running backs and defensive linemen that were drafted on

697
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 2: the second day. I mean both Ohio State kids once

698
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 2: started at Old Miss, Jenkins and Henderson I think are

699
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 2: both going to be really really good players in the NFL.

700
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 2: And they're countless defensive linemen that we're taking that are

701
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 2: going to be high level players. Receivers, I mean we

702
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 2: see this every year. I mean the amount of guys

703
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 2: they're going to go in the third, fourth, fifth. Tes Walker,

704
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 2: the wide receiver from Oregon. I'm might be screwing up

705
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 2: his name. First name Tess, who's bo Nix's former roommate

706
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 2: who like they kind of adopted him. He's like one

707
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty pounds. That guy's a fantastic player and

708
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: they got I think the Tampa Bay Buccaneers got him

709
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 2: in the seventh round. So sometimes guys just fall because

710
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 2: they're small, they have a bad combine, they have, you know,

711
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 2: an injury that limited their tape as seniors, and we

712
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 2: see it all the time. A guy that's a fifth rounder,

713
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 2: all of a sudden is way better than the second rounder.

714
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 2: It's why you and I talked about the Van Pelt

715
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 2: rant about the grades. I've been going to these training

716
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 2: camps for so long. You get there, you're so excited

717
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 2: to see, like, oh, let's look at the first rounder,

718
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, you're like, who's that.

719
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 2: You're like, that's the undrafted free agent. He ends up

720
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 2: making the team. By the middle of the year, he's

721
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 2: the starter. So it's the NFL. This is not basketball

722
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 2: where if your first round pick minimum, you're going to

723
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 2: play in football like you're going to get more time

724
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 2: as the seventh overall pick or the fifteenth overall pick.

725
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 2: But if you can play and you're the third rounder,

726
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 2: if you're the fifth rounder, as training camp goes and

727
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 2: as preseason goes, by September, you're already in the mix.

728
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 2: That's how fast it happens. And then we know how

729
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 2: many guys get injured, and all of a sudden, you

730
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 2: got three guys that are rookie starting. Well.

731
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Speaker 1: The other thing is especially you know, I've heard this

732
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 1: for years too. Some guys it takes him a year

733
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: to get the playbook down, you know. I mean there

734
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: are not just a quarterback, but there have been. I

735
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: don't want to pick on players, but I mean I

736
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: have talked to executives in the league or coaches in

737
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: the league and they're like, you know, we really like him,

738
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: but we didn't. You know, they're coaching staff at some school,

739
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: whatever school is, you know, and tell us that you know,

740
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,959
Speaker 1: he he can struggle, you know in you know, memorization

741
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: that he tends to, you know, be somebody that struggles

742
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: to kind of stay on the same page. You know,

743
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: he's a little bit of an ad lib And I

744
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: and I there's a receiver that I think of a

745
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: few years ago that a team drafted and everybody was like,

746
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: why isn't he playing? And it was just a matter

747
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: of the playbook. And so some guys come in and

748
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: you know, they just are ready to play. The other

749
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: thing is fit matters in the NFL. It really matters

750
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: a lot. And I think they're really good organizations. Have continuity.

751
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: How many years have Brett Vech Andanny Reid been together

752
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: or less? Sneed and Sean McVay or Shanahan and John Lynch.

753
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: Although Shanahan kind of runs the draft. I mean, he

754
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: has the ultimate say. But the truth is, when you're

755
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: when you're there are times Trent Bulky off in Jacksonville

756
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: and San Francisco. There are times the GM and the

757
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: head coach do not like each other, or you have

758
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: this constant change where you know, the GM didn't hire

759
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: the head coach, and you know there's a lot of

760
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: careers at stake and a lot of money at stake.

761
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: So continuity is really important because you know, you get

762
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: this hot shot Jaguars GM. I thought that was too

763
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: big of a swing for your first move. But he's

764
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: got some hubrists, he's got young, good looking kid confidence,

765
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: and you know, you think the coach has to say

766
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: in this stuff, but what if he is just sort

767
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: of a I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do. Guy.

768
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: So I think continuity. Say what you want about the

769
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: Steelers they draft, well, well, it's been a lot of

770
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: the same people for a long long time, so they

771
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: all know what each other likes and they're not competing

772
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: against one another.

773
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know the Jags, some of his his videos

774
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 2: go viral. You know the NFL, you know, this is

775
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 2: pretty close knit group. And I think you know some

776
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 2: of his comments. Listen, you make a trade, you make

777
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 2: a bold trade. No one has a problem. They can

778
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 2: agree or disagree. But the way he described Travis Hunter,

779
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 2: I mean, I had a text today from someone in

780
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 2: a war room that said, we on our trade chart.

781
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 2: They got absolutely fleeced on that trade. It wasn't even close.

782
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 2: And sometimes you pay a premium to move up to

783
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 2: get a quarterback, but when you pay a premium to

784
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 2: move up to get Travis Hunter, when you don't know

785
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 2: these guys are both brand new. I went on a

786
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 2: walk today and I called a couple people in the

787
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 2: league because I knew we were going to talk and

788
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 2: just make their brain. And I asked him, I said,

789
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 2: what's one thing that you really really struggle with? And

790
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 2: you spoke about the players struggling to learn, and he says,

791
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 2: I have a hard time with just dumb players because

792
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 2: I learned early on when I got to the NFL,

793
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 2: you can't crush a guy because he has like a

794
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 2: two point zero GPA. Well, if he's took Jason Kidd

795
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 2: like seven times to pass the SAT, he's one of

796
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,760
Speaker 2: the smartest basketball players ever. This is football, basketball, baseball.

797
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 2: Your intelligence in the sport doesn't always translate to a

798
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 2: classroom I don't even are most classroom can be a

799
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 2: little overrated, like who cares how you score on a

800
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 2: standards test. But some people just you know, are a

801
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 2: little smarter than others, right, And he's a look at

802
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: the All Pros and the Pro Bowl guys and just

803
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 2: watch most of their interviews. Most guys. Obviously there are

804
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: some smarter than others, but aren't many dumb guys and

805
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 2: learning in the NFL when it comes to mental and

806
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 2: physical fatigue, the combination of that. This is not college.

807
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 2: You're playing seventeen games, you're doing a long preseason. It's

808
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 2: the meetings actually now in football, you know, in the

809
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 2: Jimmy Johnson, Bill Watsh, Bill Parcell's days, a lot of

810
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 2: time on the practice field, you could really out tough

811
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Speaker 2: a guy. You're not in pads that often anymore. It's

812
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 2: actually turned much more into a mental game. I've watched

813
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 2: way too many GM Press conferences the last three days,

814
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 2: but one thing how he talked about was like the

815
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 2: game has become such more of like a chess match

816
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 2: and open deal and speed. It's no longer you know,

817
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 2: Bill Romanowski meeting Lorenzo O'Neil in the hole. Like, not

818
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: that teams don't run the ball, but it's a spread game.

819
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 2: It's an offensive coordinator playing the defensive coordinator with this

820
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 2: chess pieces. So intelligence and the speed in which you play.

821
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 2: And that's why you get really tired because you're running

822
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: NonStop against all these guys and smarter guys also typically

823
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 2: like you can get in trouble off the field and

824
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 2: not be a bad guy. If you're kind of dumb,

825
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 2: you just make bad decisions right and you know, so

826
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 2: it's hard to balance. Some guys, you know, can overcome that.

827
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 2: Some guys never do. And you and I have talked

828
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 2: to enough coaches over the years, you know, guys getting

829
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: crushed in the media like why aren't you playing so

830
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 2: and so it's like he doesn't know what to do.

831
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Speaker 2: So if I throw him out there, my quarterback and

832
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 2: my center and my star tight end are gonna freak

833
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 2: out because this guy's gonna screw us up NonStop.

834
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean two stories. Tom Brady one of the

835
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: reasons the Patriots were absolutely dreadful on drafting wide receivers

836
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: because Tom didn't want to babysit kids into the league.

837
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: It didn't mean those kids were good players. But Tom

838
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 1: was hard, like Tom was not going to wait for

839
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Speaker 1: you to figure it out. So not that it's on Tom,

840
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 1: but a lot of receivers struggled with Tom. I don't

841
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: believe that the New England brain Trust just couldn't draft receivers.

842
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 1: Tom made it hard because he was very impatient, come

843
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: ready to play. The other thing is I asked Jimmy

844
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: Johnson once in the green room at Fox. I would

845
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: get there early and it pepper him with questions. And

846
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: Jimmy tommy more football than anybody I've ever met. And

847
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 1: I said, what's the most important thing? The number one quality?

848
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 1: And I was surprised by it, because you know, those

849
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: Miami programs were considered renegade. And he goes, oh, intelligence,

850
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: he goes, Colin, I think I'm a good coach. If

851
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: you don't take to my coaching, I'm just an average coach.

852
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 1: If you don't take to Andy Reid's coaching or Sean

853
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: mcvay's coaching, well then those are less successful coaches. You

854
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: have to get people that can you can insert stuff

855
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: and they can pick it up. I can remember when

856
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 1: Randy Moss came to the Patriots. Dude, it was one

857
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 1: practice and they were like, yeah, he knows the offense.

858
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: It's like Randy just knew the game of football. It

859
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: was funny. I remember people asking. I mean, I can

860
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: remember the interviews and it was just like, yeah, yeah,

861
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: he just kind of picked everything up. He didn't have

862
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: to tell Randy Moss anything twice, Like he just instinctually

863
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: knew what to do as a football player.

864
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 2: You know, obviously this guy, you know, can be a

865
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 2: pain sometimes and you know, got some stuff going on

866
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 2: right now Tyreek Hill. But I remember talking to Andy

867
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 2: Reid years ago picking his brain on draft players or

868
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 2: you know, it was like a month before the draft

869
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 2: and we started talking about stuff like this, and he says,

870
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 2: people don't understand how smart Tyreek Hill is in terms

871
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 2: of offense. I tell him one thing, He's picked it

872
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 2: up for the rest of the year. So it's like,

873
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 2: why did they have so much success? Obviously he's got

874
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 2: special physical skills. They could do everything with them. Why

875
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 2: do some guys that are these great talents, like, why

876
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 2: aren't they using them more? He doesn't know what he's doing.

877
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 2: He's like a Randy Moss at Tyreek Hill. You tell

878
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 2: him one time in the middle of August. I pull

879
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 2: that out in November and a tie game in the

880
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 2: fourth quarter when it's freezing cold against the Ravens. Boom.

881
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, coach, no problem, run it, run it again.

882
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 2: He comes to me with ideas, and that separates these guys.

883
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 2: Most of the best players you look around at positions

884
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 2: I'd even say historically are football geniuses, from Ed Reid

885
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 2: to Ronnie Lott, any position right. Look look at Travis Kelsey,

886
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 2: Him and Patrick Mahomes make up routes on It's like,

887
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 2: why can't anyone cover Travis because they're not running place

888
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 2: He runs whatever you go the opposite way, and it's

889
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 2: it's from a football intellect standpoint. And he's a good example,

890
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 2: and this is why the draft is so hard. He

891
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 2: was a major red flag coming out of college. He's

892
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 2: even talked about it, and he's he matured as a human,

893
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 2: but in terms of his football IQ, like, you know,

894
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,959
Speaker 2: it's why some of these guys are going to fail.

895
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 2: They can play, it's because they're not going to mature

896
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 2: or they're not going to be able to handle football.

897
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 2: And some of these guys, like the Ohio State crew,

898
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 2: of guys. I think it's a bunch of on defense,

899
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 2: bunch of higher character, tough, physical guys. But I think

900
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 2: a lot of people viewing their their physical attribute aren't elite.

901
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 2: You watch, I bet the group, the middle linebacker, the

902
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 2: couple pass rushers play in the league for like a decade, right,

903
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 2: because that's that stuff usually, Matt, Now, I don't know

904
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: how good of a players are going to be, but

905
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 2: they're going to be around for a while, guarantee it.

906
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I went. When I watched Cody Simon play for

907
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: Ohio State, it was amazing. He it was as if

908
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: he knew where it was going. You would watch teams

909
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: run motion and Cody Simon would just fill a gap,

910
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: move and the ball always came to him. That was

911
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: one of the players. He was one of my favorite

912
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: players in the draft. I think Ohio State has so

913
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: many good players. And to your point, these Ohio State guys.

914
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: Simon is such a character guy and Mecca at Buka

915
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: like a plus plus plus plus.

916
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 2: Characters where JTT that crew.

917
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, just you know that's and so credit to Ohio

918
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: State and Ryan Day and because they've got they have

919
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: created a program with those guys come out and they're

920
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: ready to go, highly functional, very coachable.

921
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 2: So on the first thirty eight pick, they had six

922
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,240
Speaker 2: of them, and their two best players in the program

923
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 2: are still in the program in Downs and Jeremiah Smith.

924
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 2: It's like no wonder they won the national championship.

925
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: So I don't know about best draft and draft grades.

926
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: I will I will say this, the Rams in Cleveland

927
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: both got a first round pick next year. That really helps. Okay,

928
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: So if you can get a first round pick and

929
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: get a bunch of good players, which the Rams in

930
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 1: Cleveland did, it's hard to argue that's not the best draft.

931
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: But I thought the Seahawks did really well. Gray Zebel,

932
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 1: the guard starter Nick is it a mount worry the hard.

933
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 2: I just call him dB from South Carolina that the

934
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 2: NFL loves. They think dude he is. Everyone speaks highly

935
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 2: of this guy.

936
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: Major, major range starter, Arroyo Elijah Arroyle, probably a rotational

937
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: tight end and a starter very quickly. Jalen milroll I

938
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: was told today that Seattle will use him as a

939
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: rookie in six to eight plays per game. They're going

940
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: to use him. Want him on the field. You get

941
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: Sam Donald in the offseason, then Damian Martinez in the

942
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: seventh I mean, I look at the Seahawks drafts and

943
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: I was like, you've got three starters, the most athletic

944
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: backup quarterback in league history. You went and got Sam

945
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: Donald in free agency. I think that's an upgrade. Maybe

946
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: it's a small upgrade oer Gino Smith, and then you

947
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: get Damian Martinez, who will be your third back, but

948
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: because the Seahawks backs tend to get banged up, he

949
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: actually will play. I thought Seattle had a really really

950
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: good weekend. Is there any team that jumped out to

951
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: you everyone? I texted, Seattle's the first team they bring up.

952
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 2: Now. John Schneider is extremely highly thought of in that community.

953
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 2: Like people, they just like the guy, and they think

954
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 2: he's really really good at his job. You know, I

955
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 2: think a lot of people. I think the Raiders are

956
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,760
Speaker 2: just trying to get the train back on the tracks.

957
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 2: And listen, I week in debate, did they taken the

958
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 2: running back too high? The second round guy? They took

959
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 2: the TCU wide receiver Beck, whose brother had died in

960
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 2: the New Orleans attack. He started at LSU, he transferred

961
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: to TCU. They're just getting like, you know, for a

962
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 2: while when they had Mayock and Gruden, and this carried

963
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 2: into Josh McDaniels like he had to coach these guys.

964
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 2: They were taking some crazy flyers on individuals that the

965
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 2: league was like, what are you doing? And part of

966
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,760
Speaker 2: just being a solid team is just having some dependable players,

967
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 2: and I think for a long time they have just

968
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 2: you know, Al Davis kind of carried into the franchise

969
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 2: even though he was long gone. Obviously, get Gruden back,

970
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 2: who's basically his mentors Al Davis. I think you get

971
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 2: John spy Tech, who, like we talked about Jason Light

972
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 2: who I think we could say they're draft too, but

973
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 2: their draft every year. He's one of the best. John

974
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 2: spy Tech is to me, the next Jason Light. John

975
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 2: you know, less sneed like a scout. Scout, you know.

976
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,720
Speaker 2: John Lynch is an example of a guy a different route.

977
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 2: How he's viewed more like this hybrid can do a

978
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 2: bunch of stuff. John spy Tech his background isn't scouting.

979
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 2: He understands players. I think, I think I don't know

980
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 2: how good their team's going to be, but I just

981
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 2: think going to be solid where they have had a

982
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 2: lot of holes because it's like, wait, you just drafted

983
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,879
Speaker 2: Alex Leatherwood in the seventh seventeenth overall half the league

984
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 2: didn't have the guy on the draft board. What are

985
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 2: you doing? And I think those days you kind of

986
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,280
Speaker 2: just get away from. And one thing I've come around

987
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 2: on genty again, I'm pro Genti the player. I just

988
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 2: think taking a running back really high is pretty risky

989
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 2: is I watched Pete Carroll talk about it. I was like,

990
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 2: you know, he's got a pretty good history of like

991
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 2: picking running backs because if you count USC as a

992
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 2: pro program, which it basically was, like, he kind of

993
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,879
Speaker 2: knows what he's doing at that position. So I would

994
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 2: imagine it's gonna work, especially with Chip and his I mean,

995
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 2: Chip's a run first, ideally offensive coordinator. And you know,

996
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 2: Tampa is another example. I just think that that that

997
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,919
Speaker 2: team has kind of set the bar. I mean, they're

998
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 2: gonna be better this year. I know they've won the

999
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 2: division a couple of years in a row, but they

1000
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 2: had a lot of injuries last year and they barely

1001
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 2: won that division. It wouldn't shock me if they win it.

1002
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 2: I honestly I could see Carolina like being better than

1003
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 2: some of these.

1004
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: Did you see did you see the story Carolina got

1005
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 1: Tea Mack, the receiver from Arizona. Did you see the

1006
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: story that? And they didn't really go after a receiver

1007
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: until the seventh round, but the Rams were interested in

1008
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: moving up to get him. They were interested. So I

1009
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: mean the Rams were not really in the receiver hunting ground, right,

1010
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 1: they didn't. They got the guy from Pittsburgh in round seven.

1011
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: The Rams were interested in te Mac Now. I had

1012
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 1: heard that like Will Johnson, he had turned off some teams,

1013
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: but he didn't turn off the Rams and he didn't

1014
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: turn off Carolina. As you know, it takes one team.

1015
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,240
Speaker 1: I mean, the Giants really like Jackson Dart. My people

1016
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: were very hit and miss on Jackson Dart mostly missed.

1017
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: They didn't see him as a first round quarterback. Well

1018
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: the Giants did, so it doesn't take that many people.

1019
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 1: Everybody like that South Carolina safety. The Seahawks got like

1020
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: everybody in the league like him exactly, everybody.

1021
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 2: Like Malachi Starks. It's like universal praise.

1022
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's so I want to I want to

1023
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 1: I want to circle back on this.

1024
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 2: So you don't think the Rams would have taken Jackson

1025
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,040
Speaker 2: Dark because I saw someone say that. That's why the

1026
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 2: Giants traded up because they were afraid that the Rams,

1027
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 2: and then obviously the Rams then backed up.

1028
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:10,479
Speaker 1: Well, the Rams, I asked Less over a text six

1029
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: months ago. I sent a mock draft to him and

1030
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: he said, it's probably less said, and I can say

1031
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: it now. I guess probably not a great year to

1032
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: need a quarterback in the first round, he said, plenty

1033
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 1: of talented guys later. So once they gave up their

1034
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: first round pick, I don't think they were going to

1035
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: draft Jackson Dart. My intel is they weren't. They interviewed

1036
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: him and he would have been able to sit for

1037
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: two years. But Jackson Dart is a player. There's too

1038
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: many similarities to Zach Wilson, including the same high school

1039
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: and the same offense in high school. And I came

1040
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 1: back and again, if the Giants like him, they like him.

1041
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 1: So I'm not going to, you know, crush the job.

1042
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have done it. But if you like him,

1043
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: you like him. And obviously the Giants didn't after that

1044
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: interview were not into Shador, and then Jackson Dart was

1045
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: the next most ready to play guy. When Lane Kiffin

1046
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: is your coach and Lane gives you about twelve completions

1047
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: a game just on scheme. Okay, now I need you

1048
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,919
Speaker 1: to hit six to seven on your own. And there

1049
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: were games. I watched that Florida game when he crapped

1050
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 1: the bed. It was the biggest game for Ole Miss

1051
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: in a long time, and I think a lot of

1052
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,280
Speaker 1: people watch that game, and that was a tough environment.

1053
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:29,280
Speaker 1: So Jackson had too many games against big, big games.

1054
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 1: And those are the games that you know before you

1055
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: break down film. You're an NFL GM on a Saturday,

1056
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: all misplays LSU or Bammer or Georgia. You're watching that

1057
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: football game. There's twenty NFL guys on that field. Jackson

1058
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: didn't play well in a lot of those games.

1059
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 2: You know. I also think it's important. You know, I

1060
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:49,720
Speaker 2: had heard Carolina felt very good about the Arizona wide receiver,

1061
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 2: and I think when you add a couple of people,

1062
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 2: tell me this, when you have a smaller quarterback, you know,

1063
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 2: it's easy for Tom Brady or Peyton Manning it's six

1064
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 2: five sixty six or that whole kind of era of

1065
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 2: quarterbacks really tall to see everybody. I could have four

1066
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 2: Julian Edelmans and I can just pepper him. It's harder

1067
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 2: for Kyler Murray and Bryce Young to see those guys.

1068
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 2: So who's Kyler Murray's number one target? It's not actually

1069
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 2: the wide receiver, it's Trey McBride because it's easier from

1070
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 2: my vantage point to see the head of a six

1071
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 2: four to six five guy. So I think they really

1072
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 2: valued his size for their young quarterback. That kind of

1073
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 2: like gave the franchise hope that who knows what would

1074
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 2: happen if he did not look good down the stretch.

1075
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 2: We might have been talking about Carolina thinking about drafting

1076
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,720
Speaker 2: Jackson Dark so he changed the narrative on his career.

1077
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 2: And yeah, I think the Rams, you know they took.

1078
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 2: I watched McVeigh talk about ferguson the tight end they

1079
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 2: took from Oregon or he really likes them, So I

1080
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 2: think they were really desperate to get some on offensive

1081
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 2: now that Cooper's gone to help Pook out with just

1082
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 2: a high end offensive weapon, if they could ever get

1083
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 2: the running back hold onto the ball, they'd have a

1084
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 2: pretty dominant offense.

1085
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 1: Well, they also they didn't draft a corner, and that's

1086
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: an area of need that they went to another running back.

1087
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: So does that tell you that Blake Koram's bust. They

1088
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:02,720
Speaker 1: got Blake in the third. They went and got another

1089
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 1: running back. I know they've been frustrated with Kyron Williams fumbles,

1090
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: but they drafted Blake Korm and did not play him

1091
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: much last year. Now he got injured late. But my

1092
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 1: takeaway not drafting a corner and then taking the Auburn

1093
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: running back. So they got DeVante Williams, they went and

1094
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: got a tight end, and they went and got a

1095
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 1: running back. So it feels like to me, this draft

1096
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: for the Rams was listen, we've been paying attention to

1097
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: defense for two years. We got it. We're gonna We're

1098
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:34,240
Speaker 1: gonna let cornerback go for a year. Tight end, running

1099
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: back Davante Adams. This is an offensive leaning draft, so

1100
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: I think. But I thought that was interesting. They took

1101
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:42,879
Speaker 1: the Auburn running back who I watched play. He's got

1102
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: some breakaway to him. But Blake Korum was a third

1103
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: round pick. Why would you do that in a year

1104
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 1: you absolutely need a corner.

1105
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 2: It could also be you know kier and Williams big

1106
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 2: picture eventually, or are you gonna pay him? Are you

1107
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 2: gonna pivot off him? You just you have options, you know,

1108
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,879
Speaker 2: running is a position where a lot of teams they

1109
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 2: draft them basically every year. Yep, you just kind of

1110
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 2: keep turning it in and out. This was a good

1111
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 2: running back draft. I also think when you have I mean,

1112
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 2: their defensive line is a chance to be really good.

1113
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 2: If those two young guys take another step, good defensive

1114
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:15,839
Speaker 2: line will make average corners look pretty good because they

1115
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 2: are pepper in the quarterback. So that's that makes it

1116
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 2: a little easier to just we'll figure it out in

1117
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 2: our defensive backfield with our defensive linemen becoming stars.

1118
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I went and looked, and this is something

1119
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 1: that to me is really interesting. I went and looked

1120
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: at next year's mock first round draft. So there was

1121
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: Arch Manning, Clemson's quarterback, Drew Aller, the Penn State quarterback,

1122
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: Nuss Meyer the LSU quarterback. There were four quarterbacks in

1123
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: the first round, and there will absolutely be two to

1124
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: three that emerge over the course.

1125
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 2: South Carolina kids someone to keep an eye on. He's yep,

1126
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:56,760
Speaker 2: pretty interesting.

1127
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: So but it is interesting that I think the Browns,

1128
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: by moving down and the Rams by moving down in

1129
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: their first round, both told you we're going after quarterbacks

1130
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: next year. That's what makes the Brown so fascinating because

1131
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: to your theory and point was, I really believe you're

1132
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: onto something that they signaled early we're going big game

1133
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: hunting next year. I really do think you're probably right

1134
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: that they drafted Dylan Gabriel overdrafted him because they didn't

1135
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 1: want Jimmy Haslam to say, hey, remember because Haslam was

1136
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: Johnny Manziel guy. Haslam flashy Johnny Manziel. Teams like New

1137
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: England took him off the board. Haslam was a Deshaun

1138
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: Watson guy. So I think, you know, Steve Bashatti of

1139
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: the Ravens has real pull, even on draft day of

1140
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: the Ravens, but he he's he's really smart. Cleveland's history,

1141
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: as you pointed out with that owner, is they they

1142
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: they showed you by trading down to the fifth pick

1143
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: next year is the quarterback draft class. And I was

1144
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: told that, by the way, by a friend of Andrew

1145
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: Berry is they just did not like this class.

1146
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 2: Well, and think about isn't Haslam a big Tennessee guy.

1147
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 2: He's close friends with the Manning family in that circle.

1148
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 2: When they made that move, it was probably an easy

1149
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 2: sell for them because part of doing that job in

1150
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 2: that organization is you got to sell it to the owner.

1151
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 2: It's like next year we'll go after Arch, which I

1152
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 2: don't know where you stand. I feel it's a little

1153
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 2: I get it comes with the territory of that last name. Like,

1154
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 2: let's see him play some real games. I know he

1155
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 2: doesn't have the biggest arm. I think someone's already said

1156
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 2: he's really more like his dad than his big you know,

1157
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 2: his brothers. He does not play like Peyton Eli. I

1158
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 2: hope he's good. He's easy to root for, but like

1159
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 2: I watched his arm, it looked more like Shador Sanders

1160
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 2: than it did Josh Allen. And I think he's already

1161
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 2: being talked about like he's John Elway or something and

1162
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 2: that kind. For instance, you see how many people getting drafted,

1163
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 2: I would imagine the SEC are going to lead it. Again,

1164
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 2: I haven't seen Texas schedule, but I would imagine it's

1165
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 2: not easy. Let's it's who and who even knows. Maybe

1166
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 2: he's there for a couple of years. He's only going

1167
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 2: to be what a red shirt sophomore.

1168
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: Let's end it with this. So I had said a

1169
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: year ago Quinn yours was a first round pick, and

1170
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,439
Speaker 1: I kept being sold on Quinn Yours as a first

1171
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: round pick, and I kept saying all the year, I

1172
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 1: don't get it. I just I think he's Drew lock

1173
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't get it. So he got drafted in

1174
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: like the seventh round.

1175
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 2: I like Drew lockmore.

1176
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so that is the classic. When Shadeur was dropping,

1177
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I mean, will Howard through for

1178
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 1: a million yards and one of Natty He's not getting drafted.

1179
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: I mean, Jalen Milroe is one of the great athletes ever.

1180
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: He's not going first couple of rounds. And you know,

1181
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 1: and I think Shdur is better than both of them

1182
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: as I sit in the pocket throw the ball. But

1183
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: it's just interesting to show you how things can change.

1184
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: Quinn Ewers was a five star best high school Quoteraback

1185
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 1: goes to Texas, beats out arch Manning a couple of years,

1186
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: and my take was always when I watched him, is

1187
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: He's got Texas's dominant O line and he still won't

1188
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: throw the ball down the field like in the NFL.

1189
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 1: He reminded me of a less town of Derek Carr.

1190
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, Derek, wind it up, go downfield, like he

1191
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: was the classic checkdown guy with Texas protection. So that's

1192
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 1: an example where when people all freak out about people

1193
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 1: not being drafted. Remember two years ago, Sam Howe in season,

1194
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: when the season started, people are like Sam how late,

1195
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 1: first round. He went fifth round. So I think with quarterbacks,

1196
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: he started digging into film. Maybe there's some intangible stuff

1197
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: that makes you uneasy. I didn't want to overreact to

1198
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 1: Shuder Sanders. I just I felt in the end when

1199
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 1: his dad on Super Bowl Week was saying, you know,

1200
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: we're going with our terms. He was talking directly to

1201
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: the seven teams, most of them bad teams that needed

1202
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: a quarterback.

1203
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 2: I think, you know, for quinn Ewers, I think when

1204
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 2: the schedule comes out and all these teams get together

1205
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 2: in training camp, there are probably, depending on the year,

1206
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 2: six or seven games where basically every team is going

1207
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 2: to be represented at and every GM, whether they're on

1208
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 2: the road or at home, is going to watch on television.

1209
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 2: And last year that was Oregon, Ohio State, that was

1210
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 2: Georgia Texas, that was Georgia Alabama. It was a short

1211
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 2: list of games. You don't unsee quinn Ewers against that

1212
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 2: Georgia team. You just don't. And we didn't un see

1213
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 2: it with Carson Beck either everyone's like I'm out on

1214
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 2: Carson Beck and Jalen Milroe is a good example. People

1215
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 2: don't forget that first half he had against Georgia where

1216
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 2: he looked like I don't know the best player in

1217
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 2: the country. Even if just like, okay, he played shit

1218
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 2: against Vanderbilt, that's not ideal, But people aren't breaking down

1219
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 2: the Vanderbilt tape. You're watching them against Georgia, you're watching

1220
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 2: them against last year of Michigan, You're watching him against Texas,

1221
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 2: like those are the games that matter to you, because

1222
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 2: Vanderbilt doesn't have any NFL guys, And that's where I

1223
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 2: think sometimes these conversations. Shador is a good example. When

1224
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 2: I was talking to Buddy, I was like, I like

1225
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 2: Schador just like everybody else. I like Travis Hunter Two.

1226
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 2: Travis Hunters is not playing NFL people in the Big Twelve.

1227
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 2: There aren't really NFL people in the Big Twelve. They

1228
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 2: had thirty one players drafted total. For example, the SEC

1229
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 2: had eighty, so I mean, and two of those were

1230
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 2: obviously multiple were Colorado guys. So you have to balance it.

1231
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 2: If Shador had done what he had done in the SEC,

1232
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 2: you couldn't bypass the talent because you're like, you're throwing

1233
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 2: these touchdowns. But the conference he's doing it against, I'm sorry,

1234
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 2: fair or not, he doesn't get that much respect in

1235
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 2: the conference. You get way more respects, like, well, Jayalen

1236
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:49,919
Speaker 2: Miller has been a multi year starter at Alabama. It's

1237
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 2: just way harder to play in that conference. Quinn Ewrs

1238
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 2: was just so bad Carson Beck. But they get a

1239
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 2: lot of respect playing in that conference if you just

1240
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 2: play well. But he played really bad and like you said,

1241
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 2: you were, I mean, he made one of the biggest

1242
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 2: throws of the year in that game against Arizona State

1243
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 2: where it looked like they were gonna lose on like

1244
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 2: fourth and ten or whatever. But I'd be like, it

1245
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 2: was Arizona State, not Georgia. You know that's and fair

1246
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 2: not you get judged by the competition. This is not

1247
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 2: where in the NFL. Even if you're playing Jacksonville they

1248
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 2: got a lot of good players, It's not like that

1249
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 2: in college football, right, So it's the discrepancy in the

1250
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 2: draft by the lists. I mean, twelve is not a

1251
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 2: good conference column at all.

1252
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 1: This pro wise, Ashton Gent. Everybody in the NFL kept

1253
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 1: telling me it's the Oregon game. If he doesn't play Oregon,

1254
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 1: because he wasn't dominated against Penn State, If he doesn't

1255
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 1: play Oregon, there's a lot more questions. Everybody went to

1256
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 1: the Oregon game and went, well, shit, they got defensive

1257
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 1: linemen that are pros, corners that are pros, and he

1258
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: was great against Oregon that got him drafted.

1259
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 2: You hear a lot like the Bowling Green tight end

1260
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 2: gets drafted or whoever. Some of these smaller school guys.

1261
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 2: It's like, well, look at what they played Penn State

1262
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 2: and when they played Michigan Khalil Mack who played at Buffalo,

1263
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 2: he had three sacks against Ohio State. I think Taylor

1264
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 2: Decker was their offensive tackle. So like, no one cares

1265
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 2: about the other games in the MAC, right, I mean,

1266
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 2: they judge your attributes and stuff. But yeah, like you said,

1267
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Speaker 2: Ashton Genty ran all over the Washington States in San

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Speaker 2: Diego States, he ran for two bills against Oregon and

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Speaker 2: Dan Lanning. You hear all these coaches in these press conferences.

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Speaker 2: He's really highly thought of the way he runs his program,

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Speaker 2: how good his players are. So I think people struggle,

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Speaker 2: like not all things are equal, you know, Georgia. Oh,

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Speaker 2: look at Old Miss. Look how many guys Lane Kifvin

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Speaker 2: had drafted. You know that conference. This argument about the

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Speaker 2: SEC like it's it ended a long time ago. They

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Speaker 2: have the best players by a mile in honestly, it's

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Speaker 2: not even close. I mean, look at two of the

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Speaker 2: best players on Ohio State. They got downs from Alabama

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Speaker 2: and the running back from Ole Miss. So it's like,

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Speaker 2: what are we talking in? The Big Ten's clearly a

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Speaker 2: high level conference, but the ace CC with Florida State

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Speaker 2: down and Clemson not being what it was, it's kind

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Speaker 2: of falling off a cliff.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you know it used to be.

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Speaker 2: It used to be almost felt like three conferences. The

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Speaker 2: ACC was kind of right there with the the ACC.

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Speaker 1: ACC games can.

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Speaker 2: Be a rough watch big time. If you add up Colin,

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Speaker 2: the ACC and the Big twelve forty two and thirty

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Speaker 2: one total drafted players, that's seventy three. That's only two

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Speaker 2: more total than the Big Ten, and that's six less

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Speaker 2: than the SEC. That's combining the other two Power four conferences.

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Speaker 2: That's a pretty big gap, yea, doubling it in terms

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Speaker 2: of pros

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Speaker 1: As Old was great stuff, buddy, see you Colin, the

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Speaker 1: volume