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Speaker 1: Fish Bites Podcast. I'm arm Layton, joined by our new

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Speaker 1: managing editor, Eli Sussman. Eli.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations, Thanks Bud. It's been I guess a few months

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Speaker 2: in the making, really most of this season just watching

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Speaker 2: over things while the powers that be just decided, you know,

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Speaker 2: how exactly we want to run the site moving forward,

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Speaker 2: and I'm going to bring a little swagger to the

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Speaker 2: Miami guy. But it's gonna be a lot of the

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Speaker 2: same stuff that people have loved already about the stripes,

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Speaker 2: and you and everybody else that's been on the staff

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Speaker 2: is going to be a big part of it. And

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Speaker 2: I mean that shows a hell of a week to

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Speaker 2: take over with the draft coming up twenty fifth anniversary

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Speaker 2: after that trade deadline not far away, so we're gonna

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Speaker 2: be busy and there's a whole lots of cover on

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Speaker 2: this podcast. But thanks a lot, and it's gonna be

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Speaker 2: a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: Well, the site could not be in better hands, and

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Speaker 1: it really is an exciting time to be cover baseball

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Speaker 1: and specifically Marlins baseball. We have the draft tomorrow, we

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Speaker 1: have a lot of prospect development going on right now.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like things going around on around the team

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Speaker 1: are more exciting than the team actually playing in the

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Speaker 1: major leagues. But let's hop into the draft a little bit.

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Speaker 1: We were talking about this earlier off the air, but

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Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to predict what the Marlins are

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Speaker 1: You don't know who has more poll, who has less poll.

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Speaker 1: Who do you think the Marlins might be taking and

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Speaker 1: do you think it'll be more like a high school bat.

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Speaker 1: We've seen a lot of discussion about high school bats

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Speaker 1: But the Marlins in the past have tended to pick,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, really, the only answer is that we have

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Speaker 2: I mean, just generally speaking, you would think that the

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Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting you bring that up, because I really

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the difference was with his success.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it was luck. I understand he

433
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Speaker 1: has the arm problem, and that's another thing that has

434
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Speaker 1: made no sense to me. Why not just go in

435
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Speaker 1: and fix it if you're not pitching well. I don't

436
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 1: know if that's the reason why. I don't know if

437
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 1: that's the scapegoater what it is. But at the end

438
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,680
Speaker 1: of the day, if you are pitching the worst you've

439
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Speaker 1: pitched in your entire career, and you have a partial

440
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 1: tear in your elbow, why wouldn't you just go fix

441
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 1: it and see how you feel when you come back,

442
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 1: instead of constantly being on and off of the DL.

443
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 1: Then when you're off the DL, you're not pitching. Well,

444
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,400
Speaker 1: it's this weird vicious cycle with Chen, and I don't

445
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Speaker 1: really understand why he doesn't just fix the root of

446
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Speaker 1: the problem and see how he feels when he comes back.

447
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,439
Speaker 1: But I can't think for the guy, and I'm not

448
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,200
Speaker 1: sure if that's him or the Marlins doctors or whatever

449
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 1: it is, But especially in a time where the Marlins

450
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Speaker 1: really don't need him, like he would almost be doing

451
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,640
Speaker 1: the Marlins a favor by getting Tommy John surgery right now,

452
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Speaker 1: getting the roster spot opened up. He still gets his

453
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Speaker 1: money and the Marlins can then, you know, bring up

454
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Speaker 1: a younger guy and pitch him and Chen can work

455
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Speaker 1: on coming back and being better next year. But at

456
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 1: this point it's almost too late because he's gonna miss

457
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Speaker 1: next season as well. But it's a complicated thing with Chen,

458
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: and he probably frustrates me more than any Marlins player

459
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Speaker 1: because of that, beyond just his performance. But you look

460
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Speaker 1: at some of the other guys, and I would wonder

461
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 1: for you who you think the next man up would be.

462
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Speaker 1: So he talked about Gallen, Zach Gallen, who had that

463
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 1: I don't know the exact number of endings, but had

464
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 1: a pretty impressive scoreless inning streak. I'm sure you may

465
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: know that with all the fast facts wore tweeting out

466
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Speaker 1: on the fist strives Twitter. But then you also have

467
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Speaker 1: Trevor Richards, who showed he could pitch in the bigs.

468
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Speaker 1: He had a couple of tough outings, but he had

469
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 1: a couple of really impressive outings as well, and he

470
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Speaker 1: continues to pitch at a really high level in Triple A.

471
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Speaker 1: And then we already talked about Sandy extensively. But who

472
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Speaker 1: do you think could be the next man up in

473
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Speaker 1: the major league rotation?

474
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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, let me double check. I think

475
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 2: all three of them are on the forty man roster,

476
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 2: because that's the consideration, too, is that being able to

477
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 2: bring up somebody without actually changing much with your organization,

478
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 2: without having to knock somebody off of the roster to

479
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 2: make room for them. And so with all that, they're

480
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 2: on equal footing, right where it should be just dictated

481
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 2: by the teams of own evaluation of them. Another consideration

482
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 2: is their innings count and what they've done this past

483
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 2: year to build up their workload, the fact that Trevor

484
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 2: Richards was one of the leaders. Actually, both Richards and

485
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 2: Gallon were among the leaders in endings pitched in the

486
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Speaker 2: minor leagues last season, so they're already stretched out to

487
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 2: kind of be a starter for pretty much the entire year,

488
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 2: whereas al Contra was in the Cardinals bullpen for a

489
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 2: segment of last season and he wasn't as efficient as

490
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Speaker 2: he was right now this year, so he didn't work

491
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Speaker 2: up the same kind of workload that those two other

492
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Speaker 2: guys did, And so I think that would be a

493
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Speaker 2: consideration where they want him to work consistently throughout the year,

494
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 2: but they don't want to over exert him and they

495
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,640
Speaker 2: don't want to be in a position where they shut

496
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 2: him down before the season is over. So both Gallon

497
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 2: and Richards were between fifteen and twenty innings of extra

498
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 2: work last year than al Contra has, and that may

499
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 2: come into play. It's hard for me really to obsess

500
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 2: over like the order of them, because one we really

501
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 2: don't know the team hasn't really tipped its hand. And

502
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 2: the fact is before the year's over, and really before

503
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 2: July is over, they should have multiple openings in the rotation.

504
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,880
Speaker 2: And one of the weird things is, even though Chen

505
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 2: and Strali both were on the DL at the start

506
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 2: of the year, again there really haven't been any injuries

507
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 2: whatsoever popping up in the rotation at the major league level.

508
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 2: We're now going on more than a month of kind

509
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 2: of an uninterrupted healthy rotation, and that seems that's actually

510
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 2: a little unusual, right, actually, to go that long and

511
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 2: not have any one guy, even if it's something really

512
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 2: minor or something precautionary. The fact that none of Urania

513
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 2: or Australia, or Chen or Eliez or Hernandez or who

514
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 2: I miss in Caleb Smith, none of them have had

515
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 2: to miss a start, None of them have really had

516
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 2: to come out because of an injury concern. I just

517
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 2: think naturally you're gonna see a couple openings. And of course,

518
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 2: the other way to create one of those openings is

519
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 2: with the trade. We've already established that Chen isn't going

520
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 2: to have a market, and those guys Hernandez and Caleb

521
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 2: Smith have so many years of control remaining that they're

522
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 2: really not going to be on the market. The question

523
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 2: is whether Australi or Urania are gonna exactly what teams

524
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 2: would be interested in them, because both of them are

525
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 2: interesting assets because of how long they're under control, but

526
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 2: they're also kind of boring assets because they really haven't

527
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 2: had any extended stretches of dominance in their whole Major

528
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 2: league careers. They've had maybe individual games that stood out,

529
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 2: and generally speaking, both of them, aside from Australie's injury

530
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 2: this spring, both of them have great durability track records

531
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 2: as well. So it's gonna be curious to see which

532
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 2: of those guys go on the market, which of them

533
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 2: draw significant interest, and whether the Marlins actually pull off

534
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 2: a deal because those aren't salary dumps. Those guys don't

535
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 2: have significant commitments. They're still in their arbitration years for

536
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 2: several years ago. That's gonna be a big factor. And

537
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: whether the guys from Triple A get an opportunity exactly

538
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 2: when they get called up is on whether those veterans.

539
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: Are actually going to be the more interested to see

540
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 1: is Dan Straley. I do think he could have some

541
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: trade value. We see some pretty mediocre pitchers fetch some

542
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: impressive returns around the deadline, and dare I remind you

543
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: of Andrew Kashner and the return that the Marlins or

544
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: what the Marlins gave up for a couple months of him.

545
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: It kind of makes me think maybe a desperate team

546
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 1: that needs an arm could go after Dan Straley. I mean,

547
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: in six starts, Straylie's ERA is at three point six

548
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: y nine and he the advanced statistics point to him

549
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: being a little bit unlucky. He's been pretty good. And

550
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 1: I mean, if he even maintains his sub for era

551
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: and doesn't give up thirty one home runs for the

552
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: third consecutive year, I think he could actually be a

553
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: decent trade piece where maybe you can get you know,

554
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: a solid prospector too. I mean, the Marlins gave up

555
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: Chris Paddock, who I know wasn't a top one hundred

556
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: prospect when they gave him up, but he was highly touted.

557
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: A lot of people said he was the best, you know,

558
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: pitching prospect in the Marlins organization at the time. Now

559
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: he's the eightieth prospect in baseball according to Baseball America,

560
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: which actually physically pained me as I scrolled down the

561
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: list to see that. But yeah, you know, the Padres

562
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: got a great return. You know that Paddock was was

563
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: was not part of that trade. That's a correction. I

564
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: was for Rodney, wasn't. But they gave up Naylor, who

565
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: was as actually doing a good job now too, and

566
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: he was He was the Marlins top three prospects or

567
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: top two prospect. So it's difficult to sit with that too.

568
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: I mean, Naylor's hitting the ball pretty well for the

569
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: Padres too, and you look at I can even scale back.

570
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: I totally messed that up. But you look at Rodney.

571
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: The Marlins gave up a surefied you know, stud minor

572
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: league pitcher for Francisco Rodney, who or Fernando Rodney, who

573
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: was just not good. He was actually atrocious for the Marlins.

574
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: It wasn't he wasn't even close. And now Rodney's still pitching, surprisingly,

575
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: but he didn't do anything with the Marlins. The Marlins

576
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: kind of got infatuated with that. Maybe we'll make the

577
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: playoffs for a few games out of the wildcard. We

578
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: need to make a last second move, which seems to

579
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: always kill them. But the Marlins ended up giving up

580
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: a lot for nothing and going back to Australia. I

581
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: just think he's cheap. He's decently controllable still, and I'd

582
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: like to see I to wonder what team that surprisedly

583
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: is in contention, like the Angels or something like that,

584
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: that might give up a decent prospect or to for

585
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: a back of the rotation arm. I'm not sure what

586
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: you think the Marlins could potentially fetch for Australia, whether

587
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: you think his success could continue. Yeah.

588
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 2: The one detail about Rodney that was kind of got

589
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 2: washed away because it was so bad after the trade

590
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,719
Speaker 2: is that he actually had a team option remaining on

591
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 2: his contract beyond that season, and so the Marlins were thinking, hey,

592
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 2: this guy's off to an amazing start. He's actually outperforming

593
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 2: his contract. He is an affordable team option the following year,

594
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 2: which was between four and five million dollars, and that's

595
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 2: underpriced as well if you think the guy is like

596
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 2: a legit late ending pitcher. And so that was a

597
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 2: big reason why they gave up Paddock, is that they

598
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 2: thought that Rodney was there for the rest of that

599
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 2: summer and a whole year after that, both times at

600
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 2: a reasonable salary and control. Is such a big factor

601
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 2: trade value, and that's what helps guys like Strayli is

602
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 2: that he just was arbitration eligible this year for the

603
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 2: first time. He still has a few more years of that,

604
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 2: so that's a big factor where he's not even necessarily

605
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: limited to going to a contending team. It's any team

606
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: that within the next few years can reasonably see themselves

607
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 2: as a contender. But it's not only about his ability

608
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 2: and his control. It's about whether the team acquiring him

609
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: actually thinks he's an upgrade over what they have. And

610
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 2: that's a big question. That's because on this Marlins team

611
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 2: at the moment, you'd say, what, he's definitely one of

612
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 2: their top three starters, and he's arguably right there with

613
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: Caleb Smith, As and Erna. It's a big mismash of

614
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 2: like mediocrity, but he's arguably their best starting pitcher right now.

615
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 2: And that's of course not going to be the case

616
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 2: if you look at a really respectable team and exactly

617
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 2: where that those acquiring teams think he fits in. And

618
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 2: that's going to go a long way in determining what

619
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 2: kind of prospect or multiple prospects they would give up.

620
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 2: A team like the Yankees is one that doesn't really

621
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 2: have a whole lot of needs because they've dominated, But

622
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: the one question mark just going down the stretch for

623
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 2: them is holding off the Red Sox, who are also

624
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 2: a dominant team and winning that division. Because those might

625
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 2: be two of the very best teams in baseball and

626
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: only one of them is even going to win a division.

627
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 2: So those teams are in an unusual position where they

628
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 2: might acquire a guy not even with the playoffs in mind,

629
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 2: but just with the regular season in mind, trying to

630
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 2: hold off the other one so that they get they

631
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 2: avoid the wild card game, and so that they get

632
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 2: to host what would probably be the wild card winner

633
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 2: in that division series. So he's a guy that I

634
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: guess if you look at either of those teams, the

635
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: Red Sox or the Yankees have concerns about the back

636
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: ends of their rotation, that he would be a guy

637
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: that they would consider bidding against each other to get

638
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 2: for the regular season, just for a part of July

639
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: or August and September, just to win a few more

640
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,959
Speaker 2: games that could make the difference in whether those teams

641
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 2: actually have a chance to go all the way to

642
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 2: the World Series. The National League is really I mean,

643
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 2: there's gonna be a lot of potential destinations in the

644
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 2: National League that would be interested in him, because you

645
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 2: just look at the NL East as long as the

646
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 2: Marlins don't have any reservations about trading inside their own division.

647
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 2: You have three teams separating themselves at the top, and

648
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 2: the Mets hanging around a little bit, where all four

649
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 2: of those teams you don't know exactly what their rotation

650
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: depth is going to look like come the trade deadline.

651
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 2: Maybe the Nationals are an exception to that, where the

652
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 2: Nationals going back a few years now, have just they've

653
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 2: been spoiled with the quality of their starters. But between

654
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 2: the Braves and the Phillies and maybe the Mets. In

655
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 2: the NL Central, it's kind of a free for all too,

656
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 2: with the Cubs being the favorites, but also the Cardinals

657
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: and the Brewers looking pretty legit as well. I mean,

658
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: there's gonna be a lot of teams that are buying

659
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 2: at the deadline. Again, the question is there's only so

660
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 2: much they're gonna give up for a guy like Strali

661
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 2: if they don't see him as a real difference maker,

662
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 2: and especially if they don't see him making impact in

663
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 2: the playoffs. If he's just a regular season guy. If

664
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 2: he's just a workload guy, so I, in my opinion,

665
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 2: I think they should seriously look into making him available again.

666
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 2: As we've been talking about, the big emphasis is getting

667
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 2: these guys, these top prospects who are ready for a

668
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 2: major league challenge, getting them an opportunity and trading Australi,

669
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 2: assuming is healthy, assuming he's as decent really as he's

670
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 2: been so far earlier this year, that gets the more

671
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 2: talent in the farm system and lets him bring up

672
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 2: more talent from the farm system to the majors. So

673
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 2: that's gonna be a guy that they really should be

674
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 2: marketing pretty heavily.

675
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: Like we were saying with Kashner, he never had an

676
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: ERA below four since twenty thirteen and still fetched what

677
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: he fetched from the Marlins with any of that trade

678
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 1: got complicated with you know, Castillo going and Ray coming

679
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: Colin Ray, and then we gave Ray back and Castillo

680
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 1: came back and that whole complication. But you know, if

681
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: you exclude that, the Marlins still gave up Nailor and

682
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: Carter caps for you know, Kashner, who's was awful and

683
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: never pitched below four A foro ERA. So if Straley

684
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: continues to sit around the mid high threes an he's cheap, affordable,

685
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: and controllable. I think that might be the marlins best

686
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: trade ship other than Rio Muto come trade deadline, and

687
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see if any teams need pitching.

688
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 1: I think everyone always does need pitching, so that could

689
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: be a good opportunity for the Fish. Talking summing it

690
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: up here at the end, of course, we always got

691
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: to talk about trades because we're just at that point

692
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: in the Marlins organization. Of course, real Muto is the

693
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: obvious trade chip that the Marlins have been dangling a

694
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: little bit. They team to show no eagerness to trade

695
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: him with reason. I mean, if people aren't gonna if

696
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: teams aren't gonna match their price tag, there's no reason

697
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: to give him up. He's one of the most valuable

698
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: pieces in baseball right now. What do you think real

699
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: Muto can fetch, especially after this hot start, and what

700
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: other pieces do you think the Marlins could potentially dangle

701
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: come deadline?

702
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean real Muto has been so encouraging

703
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 2: because I think we mentioned him on the last episode

704
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 2: of the podcast, how he was off to just a

705
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 2: super hot start, and he's really maintaining that and the

706
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 2: fact that it actually makes him It's a higher gear

707
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 2: than he was able to reach the past couple of years,

708
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 2: and fans at least down here knew all about how

709
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 2: great he was overall coming into the year, but he

710
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 2: has found this slightly higher gear and it's really encouraging

711
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 2: to the point that, yeah, not every team is going

712
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 2: to have the assets to trade for him, and the

713
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 2: team that they're playing right now is one that the

714
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 2: finishing series against the Diamondbacks is one that I had

715
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 2: mentioned a while ago as a team that had a

716
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 2: lot of catchers, but not like a lot of really

717
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 2: proven ones. But all of a sudden, they are getting

718
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: out of nowhere contributions from this guy John Ryan Murphy.

719
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 2: That makes you wonder whether they're going to be in

720
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 2: the market when it comes to the middle of the year.

721
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: The Nationals were the most obvious connection between with the

722
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:37,439
Speaker 2: Marlins for over the offseason, and they're winning games even

723
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 2: without a whole lot of production from the catcher position.

724
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 2: You wonder if that's going to be a priority for

725
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: them again. And what's looking like a really competitive NLS division,

726
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 2: you need every advantage possible and they have the most

727
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 2: high upside prospects imaginable to offer in a trade. If

728
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 2: they are really willing to go for it in that position,

729
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 2: I mean there's going to be. It's not even a

730
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 2: question of like having a lot of teams that are involved.

731
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,959
Speaker 2: It's not so much about a bidding war, because it's

732
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 2: pretty clear at this point that real Muto is one

733
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 2: of the elites at his position, and there's no reason

734
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 2: for the Marlins to settle for anything less than multiple

735
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 2: top one hundred prospects and one guy from that group

736
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 2: being really near the top of the list and a

737
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 2: surefire major league contributor. There's no reason to settle for

738
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 2: anything less than like a huge haul, and they're probably

739
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 2: gonna get that as long as just a couple of

740
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 2: these teams have an obvious need at the deadline, and

741
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 2: provided that they're in these races that are really heating

742
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 2: up and they need that small edge. But aside from him,

743
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: and of course dismissing some of those disappointing veterans that

744
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 2: we already mentioned, you still look at Starlin Castro and

745
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 2: wonder what exactly his market would look like. A guy

746
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: that he's been pretty consistent this year for the Marlin,

747
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 2: but consistently what consistently just really ordinary where he's made

748
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 2: some high profile errors defensively and really until the last

749
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 2: few weeks of May, his power wasn't showing up much

750
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 2: at all, and that's something that is really critical if

751
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 2: you're going to be an everyday player in the majors.

752
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 2: As you mentioned with shortstops, that's now the expectation at

753
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 2: pretty much any position is to be able to hit

754
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 2: for power, and his has really not been there much

755
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 2: this year until recently, and his contract is not as

756
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 2: favorable as real Muto and his team control. So he's

757
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 2: a guy that I guess they would consider putting on

758
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 2: the market, but I don't know exactly where that interest

759
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 2: is going to come from in the middle of the year.

760
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,919
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if teams are convinced that he will

761
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 2: definitely make them better. And then just looking through the

762
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 2: pitching staff real quick, we already mentioned touched on Arana,

763
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 2: went more detailed on Australia, and then in the bullpen,

764
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 2: bear Claw is a possibility because he's just now installed

765
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 2: as the closer. He's a guy that still has a

766
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 2: few years of control left, but he's really found this

767
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 2: extra gear, and he's a guy that just is pretty

768
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 2: much unhittable. Just a really special month of May that

769
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 2: he's coming off of they're gonna get there's teams that

770
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 2: are gonna be taking him very seriously as a guy

771
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 2: that improves the bullpen, that's really affordable long term, and

772
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 2: he's a guy that's really grown from when they got

773
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: him originally in a Steve Cea sec trade a few

774
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 2: years ago. They should be able to get multiple prospects

775
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 2: back for him, assuming that, assuming that he just keeps

776
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 2: doing what.

777
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: He's an interesting candidate for the closer role. Obviously he

778
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: was just tabbed the closer, but people have been clamoring

779
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: for him to be the closer even before Ziegler was struggling,

780
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: and I always thought he had closer stuff with that

781
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: wipeout slider. His strikeout numbers per nine are astronomical, always

782
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: over thirteen among the league leaders. And he's definitely a

783
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: trade chip. But at the same time, he's pretty young

784
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: and he could be that anchor in the bullpen. So

785
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see what the Marlins decide to

786
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: do there, especially with guys that started off hot like

787
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: Tehran Guerrero, struggling now where you don't have too much

788
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: consistency in that bullpen. But it should be a puzzling

789
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: but exciting deadline and it'll be strange to see what

790
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: might happen, but it'll definitely be a busy time for us.

791
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: And I think the Marlins in a nutshell are a

792
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,760
Speaker 1: little bit of a mess of guys going up and down,

793
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: kind of experimenting, and I think that's kind of what

794
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: we expected in the sense that they don't really look

795
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: to win right now. I know Jeter says on television that, yeah,

796
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: then we're trying to win right now. This is a

797
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: competitive team and all that, but it's really not a

798
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: competitive team. They know that, the players know that. Everyone

799
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: knows that, and it's kind of an experimentation time, which

800
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: I'm kind of fine with because you get to see

801
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: who is ready and who's not. And that's why I

802
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: kind of want to see some of these guys like

803
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: Chen and Stralia go because it really can full go,

804
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: full bore, no pun intended with this, you know, experimentation time,

805
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: and we can kind of see who's ready, who's not,

806
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,720
Speaker 1: who needs more work, And I think guys like who's

807
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: Brinson have kind of had their audition already, and it's

808
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: time for Brinton to go back down and maybe figure

809
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: things out a little bit and bring a guy like

810
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: Sierra up who's starting to hit the ball better, and

811
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: kind of just shuffle things around and see who's ready

812
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: and who's not, and maybe the Marlins will buy into that. Morris.

813
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: The season goes on and as they fall further and

814
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: further out of contention, as they have the worst record

815
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 1: in the National League right now, but it'll be interesting

816
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: to see what they decide to do as the season

817
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,760
Speaker 1: goes on, and I guess as trades continue to happen.

818
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 1: But wrapping up here, what is your pipeline dream from

819
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: real Muto? The team you want him to be traded to?

820
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 1: I can tell you right now. Mine is the Blue Jays.

821
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: I know they won't get Vlad Guerrero out of that,

822
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: but maybe a Bo Baschette. As we were talking about

823
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: needing a shore Fire shortstop of the future, I would

824
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: love Bo Bashette. He's one of my favorite prospects in

825
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: all of baseball, and I know the Blue Jays have

826
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 1: some other impressive prospects that they could tie in with

827
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: Bishett What is your pipeline dream for the Marlins. If

828
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: you were to trade real Muto.

829
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to agree with you. With the Blue Jays,

830
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 2: it was one potential fit that they were reportedly talking

831
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 2: with a few months ago was the Astros, And all

832
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 2: of a sudden, that doesn't look like exactly a pressing

833
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 2: need for the Astros, who I think Brian mccannon is

834
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,959
Speaker 2: on the disabled list at the moment, but otherwise having

835
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 2: a really decent year, and the fact that their pitching

836
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 2: staff has just been out of this world when working

837
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 2: with their current catchers, it makes you doubt that that's

838
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: gonna happen. But the reason why I guess entering the year,

839
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 2: the Astros were a team that really appealed to me

840
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 2: is because they have those couple guys at the top

841
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 2: ends of their farm system that would really that really

842
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 2: translate well to the and could be up in the

843
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 2: majors real soon, both as pitchers and position players. But

844
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 2: the way that the season has unfolded, and the fact

845
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 2: that Toronto as disappointing a year as they're having and

846
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 2: they've really been struggling like they've been playing as badly

847
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,479
Speaker 2: as the Marlins have been playing over like an entire

848
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 2: month stretch. They're they're just starting from like a higher

849
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 2: point of contention before they went into this noseedive. But

850
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 2: with vlad Guerrero Junior, who's going to be untouchable, but

851
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 2: with him, with a couple of their controllable starring pitchers,

852
00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 2: and with a pretty reasonable payroll flexible ability that they

853
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 2: have their team that's going to be looking back to

854
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 2: getting relevance again as soon as twenty nineteen. And that's

855
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 2: why they should be in the market for real Muto

856
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 2: And aside with Boba Schett, with Cavin Bigio, the son

857
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 2: of Craig Bigio as well, also in Double A and

858
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 2: Knocking on the door. They've built like a really deep

859
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 2: farm system that has those headline pieces and they'd be

860
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Speaker 2: able to improve the entire outlook of the Marlins farm

861
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 2: system at a couple different positions at the same time.

862
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Speaker 2: And the fit makes a lot of sense where they

863
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Speaker 2: have a whole nation that's kind of focused on them.

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Speaker 2: It's hard for them to go into a big rebuild,

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Speaker 2: and I don't think they have to go into rebuild

866
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Speaker 2: just because they're struggling recently when the near future looks

867
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Speaker 2: so bright. So I see a good fit there, and

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00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 2: the question is, so this would probably be the first

869
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 2: major trade with them going back to that infamous salary

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Speaker 2: dump after the twenty twelve season, and I mean, with

871
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Speaker 2: a lot of new faces in the Marlins front office,

872
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Speaker 2: maybe they wouldn't necessarily have any ill will about that

873
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,439
Speaker 2: big trade that really didn't work out all that well

874
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Speaker 2: for either team in the long run. And that kind

875
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Speaker 2: of thing matters when you're talking about these executives is

876
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 2: the personal history of what they've done in the past

877
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,919
Speaker 2: with each other and you know, being able to work

878
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 2: well together. So but I feel like all these years

879
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 2: removed from that and with really what seems to be

880
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 2: a pretty clean fit and what could be a fair

881
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 2: situation for both sides, I have to agree. I think

882
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 2: that's what you're shooting for. You just got to hope

883
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 2: that again, just everything continues as it is, that those

884
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Speaker 2: prospects they have at Double A continue to really shine

885
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 2: and look like future major league studs, and that real

886
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Speaker 2: Muto just keeps doing what he's doing, because there's really

887
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Speaker 2: no way to overstate how good a season this guy

888
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 2: is having where he's one of the top hitters in

889
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Speaker 2: the league, where he's hitting the ball about as hard

890
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Speaker 2: as any other catcher at his position, which really shows

891
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 2: you that he could keep it up that defensively, he's

892
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Speaker 2: taken the step to be at that very top tier.

893
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Speaker 2: Nobody else has a quicker pop time in the majors.

894
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Speaker 2: No one gets rid of the ball quicker, and he

895
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Speaker 2: gets rid of the ball with really good arm strength

896
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Speaker 2: and just the freakish ability that he has to run

897
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Speaker 2: at that position when you're getting worn down. The workload

898
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 2: that he's gone through this year. I've commented on him

899
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 2: before is that he's on a pace to catch more

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Speaker 2: games in like a limited amount of time than anybody

901
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 2: does in the majors these days. It's just doing day

902
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 2: games after night games on this consistent basis and still

903
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 2: be in this all around star like in every aspect

904
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Speaker 2: of the game. Is something that teams will not be

905
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Speaker 2: able to get from anybody else that's on the mark

906
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 2: market at that position. So he's he's amazing, and it's

907
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Speaker 2: frustrating that that he's probably not a big fit for

908
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Speaker 2: their future because it's hard to replace the guy. That's

909
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 2: the big issues. You don't know if they're ever going

910
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 2: to have a prospect that replaces him at that position

911
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,439
Speaker 2: and has that kind of production, it's unlikely they're good.

912
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Speaker 2: So it would be just looking to ramp up at

913
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Speaker 2: a few other positions long term. And it's going to

914
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Speaker 2: just be fascinating to see how that develops because it's

915
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Speaker 2: it would be a legit blockbuster. It would be everything

916
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Speaker 2: that the Christian Yelchi's trade was, and maybe even a

917
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Speaker 2: little bit more than that to have a lot of

918
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Speaker 2: high quality talent.

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Speaker 1: Interesting way, So Marlins decided to go the catcher route

920
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Speaker 1: in the early rounds too, which I think could be

921
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Speaker 1: an indicator of what they're deciding to do with Real

922
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Speaker 1: Muta because they really don't have a contingency plan to

923
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Speaker 1: Real Muto in their farm system currently, so it'll be

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Speaker 1: interesting to see if what they do. I had to

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Speaker 1: do along that side of things. I know Joey Bart

926
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Speaker 1: out of Georgia Tech will probably be out of the

927
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Speaker 1: Marlins reach, but there's plenty of other catching prospects coming

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Speaker 1: out of college that the Marlins could decide to snag

929
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Speaker 1: in the top few rounds. But anyways, we are done

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Speaker 1: for the day. We'll be back next week with some

931
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Speaker 1: draft talk, maybe even sooner. Honestly, we might to a

932
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Speaker 1: recap right after the draft, depending on how passionate. I'm

933
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Speaker 1: feeling either way about this Marlins draft, but they've seemed

934
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Speaker 1: to let me down in the past, so let all

935
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Speaker 1: of us down in the past. So we'll see how

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Speaker 1: we feel after this draft. It'll probably be too early

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Speaker 1: to tell, but we'll have our early opinions on it.

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Speaker 1: Once again, congratulations Eli on our new managing editor position.

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Speaker 1: It cannot be more excited about the direction of this

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Speaker 1: site and it's a fun time to be covering Marlins baseball.

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Speaker 2: Oh we respect the process, baby,