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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production

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Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Holly Fry and

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Speaker 1: I'm Tracy V. Wilson. We talked about the Bradley Martin

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Speaker 1: Ball this week. I have mixed feelings about it. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean there's part of me that would love to

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Speaker 1: go to an event like this. It sounds amazing, and

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Speaker 1: I also recognized that it sounds wasteful as hell, and like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and the whole idea of like, uh no, no, this

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Speaker 1: is benevolent, it's good for people is such a mixed

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Speaker 1: bag and kind of shortsighted. Last summer, I was invited

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Speaker 1: to an event that was like a garden tour in

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Speaker 1: Boston that I didn't realize until I was There was

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Speaker 1: an event for donors, which I am one of, but

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Speaker 1: I very quickly realized not of the same caliber as

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Speaker 1: some of the other people there. Right, those are the

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Speaker 1: people whose names are on the buildings. Yeah, and like

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Speaker 1: everyone was nice, nobody seems awful in a like really

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Speaker 1: overt way. But like I did kind of overhear this

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Speaker 1: conversation about like whether Doha is the best airport to

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Speaker 1: fly through, as though just taking a flight to the

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Speaker 1: United States to somewhere that might need to connect through Doha, right,

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Speaker 1: was like a routine experience. And I was just like, I, so,

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Speaker 1: this this level of opulence, I feel like would be

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Speaker 1: ten jillion times more opulent than the garden door for donors,

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Speaker 1: I went on, yeah, uh, and I think I would

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Speaker 1: mostly feel very uncomfortable. Well, that's why you would not

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Speaker 1: be part of the four hundred. Yeah, because that was

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Speaker 1: kind of part of the criteria, right, was that, according

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Speaker 1: to Ward McAllister, if you seemed like you would be

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Speaker 1: uncomfortable at an event, you would not make the list.

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Speaker 1: If you seemed like you would be comfortable at the event,

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Speaker 1: but you might make other people uncomfortable at the event,

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Speaker 1: you would not make the list. Like you had to

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Speaker 1: be wealthy and chill in those circumstances to be part

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Speaker 1: of the magic List. Yeah, that list the four hundred

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Speaker 1: is based on his theory that there were about four

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Speaker 1: hundred people give or take in New York that were

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Speaker 1: really like the right people that just come up. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember where, but like, yeah, it's popped up

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Speaker 1: on the show. It pop up on the show before

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Speaker 1: and when I first heard it, I was like, are

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Speaker 1: you serious? This was a real thing. Yes, it was

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Speaker 1: a real, real thing. I mean, this is part of

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Speaker 1: why I would like to talk about word McAllister, because

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Speaker 1: he is a weird case of a human who just

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Speaker 1: decide they were the boss of that, Like I am

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Speaker 1: the boss of who is and who isn't in New York. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm the boss of what society is right and like

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Speaker 1: a high society, and like people were like, all right,

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Speaker 1: I guess you are. I mean, he like aligned himself

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Speaker 1: with Missus Astor and they were BFFs for a while.

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Speaker 1: They had a big falling out towards the end of

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Speaker 1: his life. But like, and he had died two years

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Speaker 1: I think before this ball happened, so he was out

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Speaker 1: of the picture to give his opinion on it. But

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Speaker 1: like just that whole concept of like I have only

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Speaker 1: done a little bit of research into his life, but

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Speaker 1: it seems like he only did like two years of

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Speaker 1: actual work where he was like a lawyer for a

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Speaker 1: couple of years and then was like I'm just gonna

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you're like a professional mean girl. How do

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Speaker 1: you make that your job description? I don't understand you

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Speaker 1: made a formal mean girl hierarchy for New York. Yeah, essentially,

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Speaker 1: that whole thing as much as like I will say, right,

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Speaker 1: I am loving the Gilded Age, like I said, I

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Speaker 1: blazed through the whole thing. But it's also one of

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Speaker 1: those things where I'm like, I hate all these people.

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Speaker 1: I hate this hierarchy. Yeah, like even the good ones

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Speaker 1: weird ideas of who isn't isn't important based on whether

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Speaker 1: or not someone else is willing to go to their house.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, this is nonsense. I would be a nightmare

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Speaker 1: felt like the whole argument of like, we're going to

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Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, I don't. I was just

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Speaker 1: so here's an odd thing that makes research not difficult,

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Speaker 1: but it becomes a head scratcher. Mm hmm. Sometimes you

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Speaker 1: see Bradley Martin, which his name was Bradley Martin, but

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Speaker 1: you will see the name's Bradley Martin with a hyphen Betwen, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I thought hyphenated a lot, and I don't know what

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Speaker 1: hyphenated her last name is Bradley Martin, but I didn't

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Speaker 1: false thought that there are two people named mister Bradley

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Speaker 1: and mister Martin who were paying for this whole time.

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Speaker 1: That's what I thought. That's what I thought when I

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Speaker 1: first encountered this years ago. And then I was like, wait, no,

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Speaker 1: it's just a guy named Bradley Martin. Okay. Even when

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Speaker 1: I started reading your outline, I somehow like just glaze

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Speaker 1: past the fact that his first name was Bradley. And

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Speaker 1: so we were three or four paragraphs in and I

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Speaker 1: was like, wait, we've been talking about Mark, and who's

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Speaker 1: Bradley though it's the same guy. The cults are coming

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Speaker 1: from inside the house I'm like, were you just confused

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Speaker 1: about like the sort of AP style esque rule about

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Speaker 1: how compound modifiers coming before get hyphenated, because we don't

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Speaker 1: do that with people's proper names. No, And I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure what the scoop is there, to be honest, I

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Speaker 1: I didn't really ever find anything definitive this idea of

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Speaker 1: my understanding. And again I read this somewhere online and

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure where, and I didn't ever find like

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Speaker 1: a true historical reason. Uh huh. Was just to basically

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Speaker 1: And I don't think I had really thought about like

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Speaker 1: a why that worked that way. But I kind of

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Speaker 1: wonder if the timing of this ball was a pattern

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Speaker 1: patterned after the way that it worked in Well, this

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Like, like the I didn't express

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Speaker 1: started and when they ended, right, but why did those

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Speaker 1: I love that idea. It's kind of my personal hours

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Speaker 1: Not me. The idea of like a twelve thirty to

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Speaker 1: five am breakfast service sounds amazing. Or supper service, yeah,

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Speaker 1: like lighter fair. It was like light sandwiches. You could

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Speaker 1: all of this sounds amazing. I'm in for it. There

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Speaker 1: is a very funny thing that came up as the

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Speaker 1: papers were covering everything in the weeks leading up to it, Okay,

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Speaker 1: And there was one rumor that started and the floorists

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Speaker 1: had read about tulip mania and were like, we need

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Speaker 1: It's fun because they're like, France love tulips. We love that,

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Speaker 1: I don't know where you're getting your information, but it's

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Speaker 1: it's not legit. And I just sort of loved this

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Speaker 1: idea of this poor beleaguered florist who was like, I'm

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Speaker 1: not taking any more orders and you don't know what

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Speaker 1: get it. Who doesn't love those outfits? I love them.

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Speaker 1: and the photographs are cool, except some of them are

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Speaker 1: of these costumes look incredible, but they are people doing

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Speaker 1: in terms of like artistic composition, but like it's a yikes,

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Speaker 1: there and see it. Yeah, because I do love a party,

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Speaker 1: and I do love beautiful clothes. Uh huh. I just

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Speaker 1: really really like that Rabbi's take of like I get it,

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Speaker 1: That's hard. Yeah, educators, we love you. I'm sorry your

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Speaker 1: It's doing very very well. It's selling. It's on lots

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Speaker 1: it is quite compelling. Yeah, I really enjoyed what's the

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Speaker 1: like reading that book quite a lot. Well, if you're

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Speaker 1: pursue advancements in science, it's a great one. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's worth it alone. For all the quotes from those

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Speaker 1: scientists because they are a pithy, interesting group, So highly recommend.

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Speaker 1: If you have time off this weekend, it's a great

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Speaker 1: time to read a book if you are into reading books.

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Speaker 1: If you don't have time off, maybe sneak a couple

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Speaker 1: you're not into reading books, or you don't have time off,

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Speaker 1: do whatever is going to optimize that time for you

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Speaker 1: and make you your happiest if at all possible. We

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Speaker 1: will be right back here tomorrow with a classic, and

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Speaker 1: then on Monday there'll be something brand new. Stuff you

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