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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio, greeting it. Welcome in

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Speaker 1: another beautiful Sunday morning. As we get things going. Ninety

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Speaker 1: minutes from now, we'll have football live from Germany. One

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Speaker 1: game in the books, four teams on a bye so

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Speaker 1: much swirling International Football League campaign, Cincinnati, Dallas, Tennessee, and

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Speaker 1: Kansas City taking the week off, so you can reevaluate

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Speaker 1: those fantasy lineups for a couple of heavyweights that'll miss

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Speaker 1: out on this week's action.

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Speaker 2: Also a lot of quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: Missing for this week's game, so we'll get into the

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Speaker 1: particulars as we roll through the slate, as we do

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Speaker 1: each and every week. Welcome in on Mike Carbon It's

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Speaker 1: Fox Football Sunday with me as he is every Sunday,

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Speaker 1: blessed to do it. Our guy, Greg Cosell forty six

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Speaker 1: years NFL films the NFL Matchup show, Matching Witch with

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Speaker 1: Ross Tucker each week, hanging out with Colin Coward one

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Speaker 1: o'clock Eastern on Thursdays as part of the Herd at

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Speaker 1: Greg Cosell, where you find them on Twitter. Greg. Hopefully

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Speaker 1: better more robust slate than what got us started here

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Speaker 1: in week ten.

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Speaker 3: Let's hope so I think that game Thursday night. What

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Speaker 3: did that do? Mike said, offensive football back about thirty years.

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Speaker 1: Well, it begets a lot of questions. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there was a lot to take from it. First off,

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Speaker 1: you know, I used to do the administrating of the

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Speaker 1: Yahoo Fantasy Football site once upon a time, Right, so

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Speaker 1: when you'd have strange scoring plays and parse out who

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Speaker 1: got credit for the points, Like all week it's been hey,

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Speaker 1: there was a block punt. No, no, no, that went

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Speaker 1: past the line of scrimmage. It's not a block. It's

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Speaker 1: a punt of four yards, that's it. Yeah, it's a

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Speaker 1: deflected punt, but it got a guy fired.

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Speaker 3: That's right. I saw that. Yeah, I'm not. I'm to

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Speaker 3: be totally honest. Special teams unfortunately in my seventy five

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Speaker 3: I'm not. I'll be the first to admit I really

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Speaker 3: don't watch much special teams.

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Speaker 1: No, you're you're a wise man, because you're you get

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Speaker 1: to xciz some curiosities along the way, certainly in the

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Speaker 1: kicking game. But you know the fact that we do

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Speaker 1: have some of those big special teams plays that then

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Speaker 1: loom large as we did not see a scoring fest

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Speaker 1: to say the least, Denver with the ten to seven win.

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Speaker 1: That's three hours of my life I won't get back.

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Speaker 1: I was on air for it, so I got to

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Speaker 1: comment on it as it was transpiring and questioning a

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Speaker 3: So feel for you. I feel for you. Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 1: It's one of two seventy two though, Greg, So I

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Speaker 1: celebrate them all, not equally. I mean, this one's gonna rank.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how many are going to be. But

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Speaker 1: behind it when it's all said done, probably a couple

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Speaker 1: I'll rival that. But uh, yeah, it's it was a

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Speaker 1: we counted as one of those. That's it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I think there were twenty first downs total

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Speaker 3: in the game, which is really remarkable in today's NFL.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we got to nearly the level of penalties.

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Speaker 1: But you know, there was a conversation Andy Furman Bucky

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Speaker 1: Brooks preceding us here Fox Football Sunday as we get

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Speaker 1: our things going, but talking about development of quarterback plays.

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Speaker 1: So I'll be remiss.

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Speaker 2: Let's go back and find the one highlight from Thursday.

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Speaker 3: Night fifty said three to the right, two to the left,

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Speaker 1: On his back. So there it is the one highlight.

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Speaker 1: the one positive play that we can jump off from

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Speaker 1: the week that was. But it gets a bigger conversation,

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Speaker 1: even though Denver's won seven in a row. Greg a

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Speaker 1: lot of focus on bow Nicks the development there. Sean

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Speaker 1: Payton whispers, you know, behind the scenes, a little bit

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Speaker 1: on Colin Show, you know, just kind of wondering, you

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Speaker 1: know how much they that marriage is working, pushing forward. Look,

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Speaker 1: And the question that Andy and Bucky were addressing was,

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Speaker 1: do we see development of bon Nicks, like, where are

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, there's so many elements to this, and obviously,

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Speaker 3: you know, we just heard Andy and Bucky talk about it.

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Speaker 3: think there's the question of quarterback to quarterback development generally,

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Speaker 3: just start with bon Nicks. I think one of the

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Speaker 3: things that stands out when you watch bon Nicks. And

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Speaker 3: I've always been a believer and this goes back to

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Speaker 3: And to me, everything starts with the fundamentals and the mechanics,

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Speaker 3: not about you know, we've come to the point where

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Speaker 3: a lot of people say a quarterback has great trades

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Speaker 3: if you can throw it hard and run FASTO, that's

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Speaker 3: not what makes a great quarterback at the NFL level. Hey,

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Speaker 3: it's nice if you can do that, but quarterback is

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Speaker 3: a discipline craft at the NFL level, the subtleties, the nuances,

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Speaker 3: the details. It starts with your footwork. Right now, bon

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Speaker 3: And again, I could talk about this for an hour

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Speaker 3: going to be an inconsistency in your play. And Sean

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Speaker 3: Payton knows this. Everybody who coaches quarterbacks knows this or

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Speaker 3: It's hard for the quarterback to execute it. Because if

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Speaker 3: and he can work through it because we've seen him

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Speaker 3: by the way, second year quarterbacks sometimes go through this.

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Speaker 3: You know, this is a hard position to play at

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Speaker 3: the NFL level. Now, we can get into a lengthy

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Speaker 3: conversation and we won't about how quarterbacks are taught from

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we need to get you on a full on

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Speaker 1: Greg Cosel Masters class, you know that thing that they advertised, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: how it is so Yeah, I mean you'll teach mering

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Speaker 1: and you'll teach me how to watch film.

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Speaker 3: Well, Hey, my favorite drummer was Bonzo with the Zeppelins.

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Speaker 3: We're talking yeah, now, we're talking yeah, but.

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Speaker 1: Mike Mills former two.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So they just started their tour.

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Speaker 1: They got a new band that they put Wow. So

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Speaker 3: He was well past his days with the Black Crows.

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Speaker 1: Well you know that book he wrote about them. WHOA Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let me tell you that's some stuff. But but all

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Speaker 1: that said, right, in different styles like quarterbacking, right, Bonzo Uh,

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Speaker 1: So you know, you've got all of all of the

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Speaker 3: And by the way, every quarterback is not the same,

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Speaker 3: we know that, but there's certain things that you have

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Speaker 3: people now because quarterbacks have become more athletic than ever Okay,

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Speaker 3: and that in and of itself is not a bad thing,

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Speaker 3: you still need to be able to do that. Now. Granted,

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Speaker 3: is are there more place maybe in which the defense

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Speaker 3: the structure of the play design. Maybe, But the point is,

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Speaker 1: Definitely, what we've watched for the last decade plus that

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Speaker 1: You know, what Cam Newton was at different points of

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Speaker 1: have a certain shelf life, right And we watched as

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Speaker 1: that goes for bow Knicks right now, trying to figure

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Speaker 3: Oh, and that's the that's critical here. And by the way,

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Speaker 3: I always find it interesting the way the media and

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Speaker 3: I guess we'd be considered part of that. You know,

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Speaker 3: I said watch tape. Sure I didn't watch tape seventy

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Speaker 3: so I guess i'd be considered media these days. But

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Speaker 3: it's interesting how certain quarterbacks, even if they're not playing

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Speaker 3: well and they win, they're called winners. Bow Nicks is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean a lot of this to me when

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Speaker 1: because that metrics has changed. I mean, I go back

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Speaker 1: Which is why I don't think guys like Bradshaw and

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Speaker 3: Content they didn't worry about completion percentage back then you're right.

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Speaker 3: I mean back then, great quarterbacks might have completed forty

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Speaker 3: But I think the people who believe just based on

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Speaker 3: the turnovers itself and Jones may and the fact that

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Speaker 3: they lost, who think that Jones looked bad, I would

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Speaker 3: say the tape does not reflect that at all. In fact,

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Speaker 3: you know, one note I made watching the tape was

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Speaker 3: what continues to stand out with Jones is that he

439
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Speaker 3: is seeing the field with clarity as far as routes

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Speaker 3: versus coverage, and that's allowing him to be decisive with

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Speaker 3: his reads and his throws. He's been like that pretty

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Speaker 3: much every game.

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Speaker 1: A couple of big throws that as a I was

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Speaker 1: watching it back Greg where you know to there was

445
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Speaker 1: a sixteen yard or to Pittman that stood out, and

446
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Speaker 1: once again Alec Pearce being that big play threat, but

447
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Speaker 1: he's become six for one fifteen a week ago, Pittman

448
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Speaker 1: nine for one to fifteen, and Josh Downs, who seems

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Speaker 1: to be elevating week to week, three straight games with

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Speaker 1: a touchdown, you know, exception, but a guy who's becoming

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Speaker 1: more of a threat.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's funny you mentioned Downs and I just

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Speaker 3: will very quickly say something about that Wilson interception that

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Speaker 3: we heard the radio on. Jones looked to his left initially.

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Speaker 3: Now I don't know if he just looked there just

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Speaker 3: to take a quick peek or if that was his

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Speaker 3: primary read, but then he threw the Downs on the

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Speaker 3: whip route in the middle, and that was a play

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Speaker 3: where they chipped, so ch Taylor chipped on Watt, and

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Speaker 3: you know what that did. It slowed his release into

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Speaker 3: the flat where Wilson would have expanded if Taylor had

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Speaker 3: been able to get into the flat quicker, but he

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Speaker 3: chipped Watt, so he didn't get into the flat. Now,

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure I wouldn't know this for a fact,

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Speaker 3: but I would bet Jones just anticipated that, you know what,

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Speaker 3: Taylor was going to get into the flat, Wilson was

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Speaker 3: going to expand and I'd have the clean whip brought

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Speaker 3: to downs. But because Taylor did not get in the flat,

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Speaker 3: Wilson didn't have to expand, and therefore he was sitting

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Speaker 3: right there there.

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Speaker 1: You have it. We'll see if we can get a

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Speaker 1: hold and back channel that to get an answer for you,

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Speaker 1: just to confirm your suspicions there.

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Speaker 3: That's what I believe happened, just based on and I

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Speaker 3: watched that play ten times when I watched the tape.

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Speaker 1: No, I believe it. It's one that going back and

477
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Speaker 1: trying to with each of those turnovers and plays five

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Speaker 1: sacks as you said, you know, coming off those first

479
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Speaker 1: down not shipping, you know, in game adjustments as it were,

480
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Speaker 1: But fifty five dropbacks certainly not what they want to see.

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Speaker 1: They have Falcons later on today. A Falcons team that

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Speaker 1: has had its fits and starts over the course of

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Speaker 1: the year with Michael Penix Junior under center, but a tough.

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Speaker 3: Defense to play against. Mike, a tough defense. They aggressive

485
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Speaker 3: with pressure, and they play a lot of man coverage.

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Speaker 3: It's not an easy Now again, we'll see if they

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Speaker 3: play as much man coverage how they feel about Terrell's

488
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Speaker 3: a very good corner. They've got Mike Hughes on the

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Speaker 3: other side who's been around the league and is a

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Speaker 3: solid player. But they pressure. Now, they're gonna bring pressure.

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Speaker 3: You can guarantee that.

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Speaker 1: Three straight losses, you know for the Falcons as we

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Speaker 1: look at them, take the offensive approach because they're facing

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Speaker 1: a little new look Indianapolis defense bringing in Sauce Gardner,

495
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Speaker 1: so their defensive backfield new lease on life. He'll play

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Speaker 1: for a winner. Do you think that changes his circumstance,

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Speaker 1: like literally walking in the door, it just feels different.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure it does. Look we're not in the Jets

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Speaker 3: locker rumor in the Jets building so you know, it's

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Speaker 3: always hard to know what a feeling is when a

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Speaker 3: team's not playing well. I'm sure it's very, very difficult.

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Speaker 3: But he's a very good player. There's not many corners

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Speaker 3: in this league with his size, his length, his movement ability.

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Speaker 3: He's a very very good player. So that's an upgrade

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Speaker 3: for sure. But one player they've lost for four weeks

506
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Speaker 3: is to Forrest Buckner, and that's a pretty meaningful loss.

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Speaker 3: He's not talked about enough when it comes to the

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Speaker 3: better d tackles in this league, but he fits into

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Speaker 3: that category.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know me, I love the guys on the

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Speaker 1: front lines, the wall of mean as I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: assemble it as I get older. The guys is celebrate

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Speaker 1: in the middle, and that's a huge loss, particularly here

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Speaker 1: when you're talking about a team that relies on trying

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Speaker 1: to get Jon Robinson off early and often. Greg we

516
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Speaker 1: look at his box score week to week, the run

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Speaker 1: game not necessarily popping off three straight games with fewer

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Speaker 1: than fifty rushing yet, but still such an active part

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Speaker 1: of the pass game. But against with no Buckner there,

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Speaker 1: I got to think he at least try to test

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Speaker 1: the middle.

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Speaker 3: That's something that has been a little confusing to me. Again,

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Speaker 3: I'm not in the Falcons building, so I don't know

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Speaker 3: how they go about their game planning. But I would

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Speaker 3: think with a quarterback who's essentially a rookie. He only

526
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Speaker 3: started three games at the end of last season, so

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Speaker 3: Michael Pennix is essentially a rookie quarterback, I would think

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Speaker 3: that they'd want to lean on the run game and

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Speaker 3: have that be the foundation, especially with a back like Robinson,

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Speaker 3: who I believe, just in terms of his overall traits,

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Speaker 3: is the best back in the league. Obviously people are

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Speaker 3: going to look at the numbers and say, oh, no,

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Speaker 3: he's not, but it would seem to me that you'd

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Speaker 3: want to start your offense with him, which they really

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Speaker 3: haven't done the last number of weeks. So I don't

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Speaker 3: know if that's something they'll get back to, or if

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Speaker 3: this is the way they feel they can play best.

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Speaker 3: That's always hard to know, but it just seems to

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Speaker 3: me that Robinson is not being deployed in a way

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Speaker 3: that can really maximize what he brings to the table.

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Speaker 1: Now we look at the receiving game, you've got London,

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Speaker 1: the aforementioned Robinson and Kyle Pitts, who's up to what

543
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Speaker 1: forty three receptions on the year, a much bigger target.

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Speaker 1: They haven't gotten much help from the ancillary receiver position.

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Speaker 1: Darnell Mooney's been out a bunch. Ray Ray McLeod who

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Speaker 1: was there a while he got yeah so. And but

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Speaker 1: for Michael Pennix Junior, you know, we're talking tape and growth.

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Speaker 1: He's hitting on about sixty one percent of his throws

549
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Speaker 1: at this point. What are we seeing from him? As

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Speaker 1: we get to.

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Speaker 3: See he's an odd thrower. He's got a big arm,

552
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Speaker 3: but you know, he's one of those guys and I'm

553
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Speaker 3: not sure what to make of this. When you watch him,

554
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Speaker 3: his feet it's almost like his feet are stuck in

555
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Speaker 3: cement when he throws. You know, he doesn't have much

556
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Speaker 3: bounce to him. The lower body is kind of tight

557
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Speaker 3: and stiff, but he can compensate because he's got a

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Speaker 3: big arm. I'm just curious to watch his development. And

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Speaker 3: he's a very smart kid. I've been around him. I

560
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Speaker 3: think he'll continue to improve, but they're gonna need more

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Speaker 3: at the wide receiver position going forward. That won't happen

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Speaker 3: this year, And like I said, I think they really

563
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Speaker 3: need to give him more help by having the run

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Speaker 3: game be more of a foundation.

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Speaker 1: There's one hundred and eighteen carries thus far for b

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Speaker 1: John Robinson. He's only gone over twenty carries once in

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Speaker 1: a game, which is.

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Speaker 3: Which which cris me as a little you know, and

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Speaker 3: you talk about one hundred and eighteen carries, I mean

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Speaker 3: with a back like that, you know where that stands.

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Speaker 3: He's he's fifteenth in the NFL when it comes to

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Speaker 3: number of carries.

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Speaker 1: I go back to his rookie year, Greg, you know,

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Speaker 1: when Arthur Smith was the coordinator there. I would bag

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Speaker 1: on it. It's like, do you clearly have a guy

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Speaker 1: that's special? Why are we not seeing the ball more

577
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Speaker 1: and and that, you know, and trying to get your

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Speaker 1: offense jump started when you've got that type of threat.

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Speaker 2: Just is always curious to me.

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Speaker 1: Obviously we're not in the room, you know, we we

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Speaker 1: we certainly you know put that up of you know,

582
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Speaker 1: game planning down distance and and see your sequence so calling.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, when you got a guy that special, fifteenth.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and think about this, Quinn Sehn Jenkins, who's played

585
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Speaker 3: one less game has the same number of carries.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, that's that's.

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Speaker 3: That kind of puts it in perspective.

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Speaker 1: I think absolutely, you know, and because you know I

589
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Speaker 1: look at the clock, and you know, we talk about

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Speaker 1: m timing and all of those things. This allows us

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Speaker 1: to give us that thirty five seconds on Cleveland and

592
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Speaker 1: the New York Football Jets because we touch them all.

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Speaker 1: Do we have to well, you know, no, I guess

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Speaker 1: we don't. The over under is down to thirty seven

595
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Speaker 1: and a half. You mentioned quinchin Judkins, so you know,

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Speaker 1: I think that suffices for talking about that game. Greg.

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Speaker 2: How about me, We've got something better.

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Speaker 1: I about Baltimore and Minnesota twenty seven to twenty four.

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Speaker 1: The win last week for Minnesota. JJ McCarthy in his return.

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Speaker 1: We talked last week, you know, the Baltimore return because

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Speaker 1: we had that game against Miami. I'm curious to see

602
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Speaker 1: how much more Isaiah likely we see in that Baltimore

603
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Speaker 1: set going forward. But for Minnesota, what'd you see from

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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy Week one?

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Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy's a fascinating guy this game, but by the way,

606
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Speaker 3: deserves a lot of attention Mike on both sides, just

607
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Speaker 3: so you know. But JJ McCarthy is an interesting player

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Speaker 3: to me because McCarthy and I noticed this even when

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Speaker 3: I evaluated him coming ou out of college, and I'm

610
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Speaker 3: curious to see his development because I think he's got

611
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Speaker 3: an issue that is very difficult to fix. He's what

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Speaker 3: we call a locked front leg thrower. So when he

613
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Speaker 3: throws the ball, his front leg locks, his knee locks,

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Speaker 3: and what that does is it prevents him from clearing

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Speaker 3: his back hip and throwing with core torque and weight transfer,

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Speaker 3: So it makes it difficult for him to drive the

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Speaker 3: ball and it can also hurt your ball placement. Now,

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Speaker 3: I think as a pure arm guy, like if you

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Speaker 3: just look at his arm, I think he's got a

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Speaker 3: good arm. But because he locks his front leg, if

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Speaker 3: you were to stand up and go into a throwing

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Speaker 3: motion and then lock your front leg, it would almost

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Speaker 3: be like you've hit a wall. You can't go any

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Speaker 3: further because your front leg is locked. So, like I said,

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Speaker 3: you can't clear your back hip and it prevents him

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Speaker 3: from really driving the ball. There was a quarterback like

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Speaker 3: that who won a lot of games in the NFL,

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Speaker 3: and on to that watching McCarthy this week, and that

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Speaker 3: was Alex Smith. He was another locked front leg thrower,

630
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Speaker 3: and it's just very hard to really drive the ball,

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Speaker 3: and I'm wondering if there's gonna be similarities between the

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Speaker 3: two because I think both guys are tough guys, you know,

633
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Speaker 3: to be cliched. I think they both had moxie, you know,

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Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. But it's it's gonna be interesting

635
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Speaker 3: to see JJ McCarthy's development.

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Speaker 1: It's curious because you know, all the stuff out of

637
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Speaker 1: the locker room, people start going into the performative. I'm

638
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: worried about what happens between the white lines. What happens

639
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: thereafter for social media is for everybody else to dissect.

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Speaker 1: We'll stay with this game, go to the other side,

641
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: talk a little bit more on the Baltimore offense. Lamar

642
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Speaker 1: Jackson back after missing a couple of weeks. We saw

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Speaker 1: him in his return the twenty eight to six win.

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Speaker 1: We'll see how that translates to try and to break

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Speaker 1: down the floor as defense. We'll do that as we continue.

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Speaker 1: He's Greg Cosell at Greg Cosell where you find him

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, forty six years, NFL Films, and of course

648
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Speaker 1: about this game a little more fervently, and then we'll

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Speaker 1: get to a battle of the ANAFC West supremacy when

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Speaker 1: we got a date between the Rams and the forty

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Speaker 1: It's Fox Football Sunday. It's welcome back in Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1: Fox Football Sunday. Mike Carmon, Greg CoA Sell with you

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Speaker 1: here at Swollen Dome. Where you find me in these socials.

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Speaker 1: Find Greg at Greg CoA cell. Check out everything he's

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Speaker 1: got popping the NFL Matchup Show, his appearance with Colin

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Speaker 1: making us smarter here as we go game by game,

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Speaker 1: and what he's seen on the tape and what we

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Speaker 1: can apply as we do our own watching, and you know,

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Speaker 1: some of those conversations we're having at the watering hole

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Speaker 1: or at.

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Speaker 2: The house, he's like, hey, you know what this guy did?

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Speaker 1: You know, and make sure to get proper accreditation to

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Speaker 1: Greg Cosel as you do. So as we go through

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Speaker 1: the processes, I certainly do. We're talking about Baltimore and Minnesota, Greg,

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Speaker 1: as we got commercial and the Minnesota side of it,

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Speaker 1: McCarthy still with us. You know, run game that's kind

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Speaker 1: of spotty at times. The Baltimore side of it interesting.

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Speaker 1: You got the leading receivers Zay Flowers. We saw a

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Speaker 1: little more of Mark Andrews right two for two perfect

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Speaker 1: deficiencies sure last time out. Two catches, two touchdowns. Likely.

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Speaker 1: We highlighted that thirty five yard catch he had from

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson in that game.

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Speaker 3: Lamar a moving and likely moving with him, mirroring his movement.

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Speaker 3: That's what they do so so well obviously because they

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Speaker 3: know Lamar will move and Lamar when he moves like that,

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Speaker 3: does look to throw the ball. He doesn't always look

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Speaker 3: to run.

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Speaker 1: Now, so as we look at this matchup with the

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Speaker 1: way Flora is in the aggressiveness of his defense, I

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Speaker 1: would suspect we see a lot more of Andrews and

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Speaker 1: likely leaking out while it's trying to establish Derek Henry early.

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Speaker 3: Of course, it won't be the same this week because

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Speaker 3: obviously Minnesota just played Jared Goff, and Jared Goff and

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Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson are not even close to the same kind

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Speaker 3: of quarterback. But I have to tell you I thought,

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Speaker 3: in watching that Minnesota defensive tape last week, I thought

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Speaker 3: that was one of the best tactical games I've seen

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Speaker 3: this year. Think of it this way, and it made

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Speaker 3: me think of something from years and years ago. But

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Speaker 3: what did Floras do? He pressured a lot, but he

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Speaker 3: focused all his pressures in the A gaps. And the

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Speaker 3: reason he did that is he forced Jamiir Gibbs have

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Speaker 3: to pass protect. Okay, so Jamiir Gibbs he was forced

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Speaker 3: to pass protect on fifteen of Goff's thirty two dropbacks.

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Speaker 3: So what did that mean. It means he meant he

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Speaker 3: could not release into routes where he is a definite

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Speaker 3: matchup problem. So Flores did such a good job of

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Speaker 3: understanding that. You know, it reminded me of something from

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Speaker 3: the early two thousands when the Patriots and the Colts

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Speaker 3: had their big rivalry, and what Bill Belichick would do

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Speaker 3: against the Colts is he'd pressure in such a way

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Speaker 3: that forced Edger and James to have to stay in

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Speaker 3: to pass protect. Because James was such a terrific receiver,

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Speaker 3: he knew he wasn't going to sack Peyton Manning because

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Speaker 3: Manning never got sacked. He always got rid of the ball.

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Speaker 3: But he just made sure that James would stay in

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Speaker 3: to block, and they forced Gibbs. And I tell you,

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Speaker 3: I give Gibbs a ton of credit because he really

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Speaker 3: went after it hard. But the point is he was

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Speaker 3: forced to say stay in and pass protect. I just

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Speaker 3: thought that that strategic element was so good.

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Speaker 1: Just three catches for three yards last week for Jamior Jay, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and that's been an interesting piece. I want to get

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Speaker 1: back to the San Francisco and Rams game in a minute,

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Speaker 1: but just Detroit offensively. We look at Gibbs at this

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Speaker 1: point in the year, Greg He's got thirty one catches

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Speaker 1: for one hundred and ninety seven yards.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, not a lot of yards at all, I mean,

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Speaker 3: and he's such an explosive player. So you know, teams

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Speaker 3: are doing as Minnesota did a better job of controlling

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Speaker 3: him in the past game, you know. And the funny

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Speaker 3: thing was, and we spoke about this last week when

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Speaker 3: we were talking about the Minnesota Detroit game, is last

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Speaker 3: year Gibbs killed Minnesota. So there's no question that Brian

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Speaker 3: Flores made sure that he was going to prevent Gibbs

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Speaker 3: from being a factor, certainly in the past game.

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Speaker 1: Certainly one of those things you hang up on the

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Speaker 1: mantles like I was able to get tell you that

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Speaker 1: guy and you said, it's unstoppable. We'll get back to

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Speaker 1: Detroit and Arnis a little bit later on next hour

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Speaker 1: as they have a date with Washington. One of those

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Speaker 1: games that kind of gets pushed down a little bit

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Speaker 1: because we've got some other heavyweight battles to preview as

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Speaker 1: we get through the slate. We've got the Rams on

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Speaker 1: the road at San Francisco four and a half point favorites,

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Speaker 1: another Mac Jones experiment forty nine and a half, and

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Speaker 1: you know, all the Kyler Murray talk this past week,

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Speaker 1: Cabby were sent. It begets some conversations about what's going

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Speaker 1: on in San Francisco as we look at what Mac

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Speaker 1: Jones has been relative to brock Purty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think there's a debate there. I mean,

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Speaker 3: they paid party. I think Purty's better than Jones. Jones

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Speaker 3: is in the perfect spot for the kind of quarterback

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Speaker 3: he is. He can really play one way, and that's

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Speaker 3: the Kyle Shanahan way. That system works perfectly for him.

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Speaker 3: But I really don't believe and this is my point

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Speaker 3: of view. Obviously others could disagree. I don't think there's

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Speaker 3: a debate there. I think that brock perty is the quarterback.

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Speaker 3: But they're very fortunate to have Jones. Obviously, the offense

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Speaker 3: runs through McCaffrey. We saw that again last week versus

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Speaker 3: the Giant, and he's such he's the critical piece a

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Speaker 3: team that is so creative with their run game concepts,

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Speaker 3: how they get to basic concepts. They now they've got

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Speaker 3: this motion I don't know what they call it that

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Speaker 3: they do with uscheck, which is really interesting, and they

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Speaker 3: get to multiple blocking techniques with it. But there it's

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Speaker 3: really a run first team and then and then Jones.

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Speaker 3: You want him to be efficient, as he certainly was

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Speaker 3: against the Giants, playing a better defense this week with

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Speaker 3: the Rams clearly, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: As we look at McCaffery, He's already over twelve hundred

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Speaker 1: total yards for the season, which is just insane, third

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Speaker 1: most targeted receiver in that game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's yeah. They that's the key to their offenses

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Speaker 3: because right now they're receiving situation with so many people out.

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Speaker 3: Pierce are still out, I Yuke's not back yet, you know,

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Speaker 3: Kittle is. They don't necessarily you know, I say this

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Speaker 3: to people all the time. Their offense is not built

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Speaker 3: on focusing on one receiver. They don't go into a

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Speaker 3: game mic with the idea, oh, we got to get

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Speaker 3: your Kittle involved early. They don't play like that. They

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Speaker 3: don't think like that. You know, I did a study

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Speaker 3: of their first quarter plays this year, and you know

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Speaker 3: what they do. It's over fifty percent of their first

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Speaker 3: quarter plays come out of twenty one personnel with us

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Speaker 3: check on the field. That's the way they structure their offense,

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Speaker 3: and they work off that. They're not really a pass

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Speaker 3: first team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We've talked a lot about Kittle and his return. What

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Speaker 1: it means to the run game as well.

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Speaker 3: Oh, big time.

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Speaker 1: I mean just you know, to spotlight the receivers a second.

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Speaker 1: Kendrick Bourne had had a big run. He's got eight

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Speaker 1: targets the last three weeks. John Jennings three straight weeks

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Speaker 1: with four receptions. That's great going up against that Rams

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Speaker 1: secondary this week. But let's talk Matthew Stafford a second

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Speaker 1: twenty one touchdowns, two picks, nine touchdowns his last two

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Speaker 1: games out.

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Speaker 3: You know what's really been interesting watching them and we'll

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Speaker 3: see if it continues, is they have played in their

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Speaker 3: last two games a heavy heavy dose of thirteen personnel,

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Speaker 3: meaning three tight ends on the field, and believe it

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Speaker 3: or not, they've thrown the ball really well out of it.

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Speaker 3: So in those two games at of thirteen personnel, Stafford's

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Speaker 3: thirteen for nineteen for one hundred and thirty two yards

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Speaker 3: and six touchdowns at a thirteen personnel. So we'll see

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Speaker 3: the last game they played. They had thirty five snaps

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Speaker 3: of thirteen personnel last week, so we'll see if they

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Speaker 3: do that. If they continue that.

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Speaker 1: Well, that'll also I'm having more big guys out there.

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Speaker 1: What we got more protection from Matthew Stafford, which yes,

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Speaker 1: here without questions as you're going to the pursuit of January.

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Speaker 1: As we continue, we look at a second year quarterback

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Speaker 1: on the rise.

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Speaker 2: But is this receiver happy we'll talk next.

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Speaker 1: A greetings and welcome in hour two of the program

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Speaker 1: today at week ten of your National Football League Season

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Speaker 1: one game in the books, we watched it so you

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Speaker 1: didn't have to Denver and seven win over the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: At a half hour, we'll get live from Jermy, Indianapolis

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Speaker 1: taking on Atlanta forty eight eight and a half the

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Speaker 1: over under that one, so expecting some fireworks. Welcome in.

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Speaker 1: It's Fox Football Sunday, Mike Carbon alongside Greg Cosell at

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Speaker 1: Greg co cell on Twitter where you find him, NFL

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Speaker 1: Films forty six years, the NFL Matchup Show.

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Speaker 2: It's always a treat traversing the radio dial to hear him.

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Speaker 1: You can do that on appointment scheduling one o'clock Eastern

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Speaker 1: on Thursdays, alongside our own Colin Cowherd as part of

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Speaker 1: the Herd doing some tape review and some big picture

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Speaker 1: kind of ISOs of quarterbacks and where we're going kind

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Speaker 1: of what we do here each and every Sunday. So

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Speaker 1: we're blessed to be with you as we are each

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Speaker 1: and every week of this NFL season. We got Mark

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Speaker 1: tagged out, Chris is In as our technical producer, Brandon

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Speaker 1: In as our executive producer, and we'll hear from Isaac

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Speaker 1: lohen Crown a little bit later as we're starting to

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Speaker 1: get some of the injury information for the big day ahead.

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Speaker 1: But one of the big games from last week total

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Speaker 1: chaotic and tory game that I gotta be honest, Greg,

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Speaker 1: I watched a lot of it, and I was in

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Speaker 1: the car for part of it going to my daughter's

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Speaker 1: soccer game. I'm like, all right, this one.

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Speaker 2: Is kind of done.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: From the time of getting out of my car and

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Speaker 1: walking into the stadium.

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Speaker 2: To go sit and watch my daughter's soccer game.

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Speaker 1: The Bears gave up the lead to the Cincinnati Bangles,

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Speaker 1: and then we had this play from Caleb Williams which

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Speaker 1: well made me a winner.

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Speaker 6: Caleb prows little with a film lovel catch, picks away

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Speaker 6: at the thirty PLoP, the twenty cluff, the ten cloff

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Speaker 6: of the end zone touchdown, Bears clost to Lovelin on

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Speaker 6: a throw by Caleb Williams on the blitz with seventeen

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Speaker 6: seconds to go, and the Bears reclaimed the lead forty

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Speaker 6: seven two.

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Speaker 1: That would be the final Jeff Joniac about to pass

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Speaker 1: out as he made that call on the Bears Radio Network.

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Speaker 3: You gotta love Jeff. You gotta love Jeff.

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Speaker 1: Hey, he's wearing it on his sleep even. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that game was just insane. What's funny is one of

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00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: the parents of one of my daughter's teammates, he was

866
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: watching the action unfold and he saw me sit down

867
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: and you know, I didn't have my phone out of

868
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: you know, the game is beginning.

869
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 2: He's like, no, no, no, we got to watch the end.

870
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: Of this and it's the final possession and like we

871
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: both kind of had a scream and there was nothing

872
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: happening in my daughter's soccer game. So all players on

873
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: the field and both benches just looking at us, like,

874
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: what is wrong with you two? I can't explain it.

875
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: I can't. But a big play Loveland, the guy that

876
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: we've questioned for a lot of the season, Greg why

877
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: he wasn't being seen more prominently in the past game,

878
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: he comes up huge. A lot made this week about

879
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: Roma Dunza's dad. The Bears had the greatest clapback by

880
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: putting together because Roma Dunza was miked up. He went

881
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: without a catch in that game. Did have a red

882
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: zone target that wasn't an easy catch, but one he

883
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: probably makes pretty often, but either way, the Bears clap

884
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: back on social media, Greg with about a two and

885
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: a half minute super cut of Roma dunees A blocking,

886
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: slapping his teammate's helmets and getting hyped after big plays

887
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: that he helped in doing all the little things. So

888
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: I thought that spoke very loudly. I want to make

889
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: sure to give that its proper recognition on a national forum.

890
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 3: Well, that play we just heard that was a big

891
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 3: time seam throw by Williams. That was I mean, And

892
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 3: that situation obviously was about as critical as you could get.

893
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 3: But the anticipation, the ball placement, it was cover two.

894
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 3: We put it right in the void. Obviously the tackle

895
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,240
Speaker 3: should have been made. But you know, you mentioned Lovelin,

896
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 3: and I thought this was a game, by the way,

897
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 3: where I really thought, for the first time this year,

898
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 3: I saw a lot of what I really viewed as

899
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 3: the Ben Johnson pass game concepts. And it's funny because

900
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,479
Speaker 3: I think I watched Caleb Williams right after I watched

901
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 3: the Lions offense on tape, so I and that just

902
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 3: worked out that way. I didn't intentionally, but it's funny

903
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 3: how you see, I saw so much of the same.

904
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 3: And I thought that Loveland had a thirty one yard

905
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 3: catch actually in the third quarter, which the play was

906
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 3: designed for him to run arout against a corner and

907
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 3: because it was a concept we call dagger, and he

908
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 3: ran the route against DJ Turner. And that's what Lovelin

909
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 3: can do. And I think we're going to see more

910
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 3: and more of that. But again, this was a game

911
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 3: where Williams made some big time throws and also there

912
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 3: were others examples where he still saw him being a

913
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 3: little bit of a work in progress where he's a

914
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 3: bit slow with his reeds and did not get the

915
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 3: throws that were there. But when he makes throws, when

916
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 3: he sees it the right way and does play within timing, boy,

917
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 3: is he a pretty thrower of the football. And I

918
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 3: got to tell you, I'm not sure I've seen anybody

919
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 3: throw it with more juice on the move than Caleb Williams.

920
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 3: I mean, he has a power hose when he's on

921
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 3: the run. He can really drive the football.

922
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: That thing came out to Loveling down that scene and

923
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: again the pinball effect. You had three guys with a

924
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: shot at him, but Loveland battles through to get to

925
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: the end zone. What's been interesting to watch right it's

926
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: the week to week cul de sac is what I

927
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: call it. A folks driving back and forth on the

928
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams evaluation and something you and I talked about

929
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: from from week one together. You know, the work in

930
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: progress of you know, that's what it is, challenge what

931
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: he's doing.

932
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope people understand that. You know, when you

933
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 3: talk about I guarantee Ben Johnson, you know, it's funny

934
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 3: you talk about this stuff and I sit and watch tape,

935
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 3: and you know when I talk to people as well,

936
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 3: and they're interested. You know, people in the league where

937
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 3: I have to say about the quarterbacks. But you know,

938
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 3: Ben Johnson is not going in on Monday after this

939
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 3: game and saying to Caleb, Caleb, you were perfect on

940
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 3: every single play. We have nothing to do this week.

941
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 3: You know that doesn't happen no matter you could win

942
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 3: fifty to nothing and a coach would never say that.

943
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 3: There's always things that need to be worked on. So

944
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 3: when I type as I'm watching the tape that there

945
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 3: is still a times and unfocused nature to Williams pocket play.

946
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 3: That is the next step in his continued development to

947
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 3: play with more defined clarity and control and calculation. That

948
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 3: is not a rip on Caleb Williams. That's a continuation

949
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 3: of the process as he goes through it with Ben Johnson.

950
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 3: There's no question he is really gifted. And when he

951
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 3: plays properly the way Ben Johnson wants him to play, boy,

952
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 3: does he look good?

953
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: Now? They got in their bag a little bit some

954
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: of the trick plays and comed who eventually left with

955
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: the concussion, with the reception, Caleb with the catches, all

956
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: of that once that you know, and it's something we've

957
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 1: talked about a lot in terms of structure and certainly

958
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 1: what Ben Johnson wants to do. Right now, the Bears

959
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,280
Speaker 1: are tied for second most pass attempts out of play action.

960
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 3: A great point, and that's the Ben Johnson offense, and

961
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 3: Caleb Williams was getting better at that because that's a

962
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 3: learned trait. Mike, we may have talked about this previously,

963
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 3: but when when you turn your back to the defense

964
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 3: when you're under center, if you've never done that before,

965
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 3: and ninety nine point nine percent of quarterbacks nowadays as

966
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 3: they grow up with the position in seven on sevens

967
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 3: and all that which have become so prevalent and even

968
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 3: through college where they never do that. They're basically in

969
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 3: the shotgun on every snap. That's a learned trait when

970
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 3: you turn your back to the defense. If you've never

971
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 3: done that, you know how fast your internal clock starts

972
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 3: to go, and it goes fast anyway, that's a really

973
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 3: difficult thing to learn.

974
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: On the other side of this game, the excitement of

975
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: Jackson Dart, now it's tempered. You don't have Scatabo trying

976
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: to run through the juggernaut. But for Dart, you've only

977
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: got one game where he's thrown for more than two

978
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: hundred yard or two hundred and two yards. But he

979
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: is such a threat in the run game. Four games

980
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: with at least fifty rushing yards of rushing touchdown in

981
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: five of his six starts, something that certainly can give

982
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: fits to a Bears defense that's been opportunistic plus thirteen

983
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: in that turnover differential to lead the NFL. But they

984
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: certainly do let you move between the twenties.

985
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dart's an exciting player to watch. He's a fun

986
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 3: player to watch because of his movement and the fact

987
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 3: that he uses his legs so often. You know, it's funny.

988
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 3: I spoke with the coach this week when we were

989
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 3: talking about Dart and you know, he's still playing and

990
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 3: we both agreed. This coach, you know, studies quarterbacks in

991
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 3: the league, and Dart's still playing with unfocused eyes at times.

992
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 3: There's too much head and body movement in his pocket.

993
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 3: I think the picture's still a little muddy for him.

994
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 3: You don't see a lot of timing and rhythm throws.

995
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 3: And this gets back to the beginning of our conversation

996
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 3: this morning, where you talked about evaluating a quarterback and

997
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 3: isolating his traits. Does he have great receivers? Of course not,

998
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 3: but that's not really relevant to how he's seeing the

999
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 3: field and playing the game. And he's a fun watch

1000
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 3: and I'm sure Giants fans are very excited, as they

1001
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 3: should be, because he looks like the kind of guy

1002
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 3: that you feel good about. But just as far as

1003
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 3: playing the position the way it needs to be played,

1004
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,240
Speaker 3: he's another work in progress. And I hope people understand

1005
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 3: that this is not a definitive statement about his career, Mike.

1006
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 3: This is where he's at right now, which, by the way,

1007
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 3: is not a surprise to anybody, you know. Now, it's

1008
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 3: just the learning process and how he develops as he

1009
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 3: continues to get more and more experience.

1010
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: Now that is the chaos factor of it all. You know,

1011
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: you're learning on the fly and ceratinly. Losing neighbors not

1012
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: the best for pushing you forward. No, today, today you

1013
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: get the extra bonus. Greg. We may have winds high

1014
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: as thirty five miles an hour and snow in Chicago.

1015
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:36,479
Speaker 3: They're talking snow.

1016
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: Huh talking snow talking huge rains out here in southern

1017
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 1: California for the week.

1018
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, that'll be fun driving.

1019
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 3: That's not my favorite four letter word, by the way, snow.

1020
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 3: And I grew up in the northeast, so you know,

1021
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 3: but I'm not a big fan of.

1022
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: That now because then you get that heavy snow and

1023
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 1: it leads to all the back injuries and hospital states.

1024
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,240
Speaker 1: It's not good for business, no question.

1025
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 3: But it's not good for anything. It just makes it

1026
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 3: too hard to get around.

1027
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 1: That's it. You gotta find that teenager on your block,

1028
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: invest in me, invest in the more, and just say

1029
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: you can guess my more. But you're come to do this,

1030
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: you know, you know, sweep sweep my area, no question

1031
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 1: about it. All right, As we continue, how about Sunday

1032
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: night football? As we continue this one, Pittsburgh and the

1033
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: Chargers chargers down Joe Walt. They make a trade with

1034
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: New Orleans to try to help that offensive line a

1035
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: little bit. But we talk about the pressure rate season

1036
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 1: high what one hundred and four blitzes against Justin Herbert

1037
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: Already he's been hit repeatedly. Still two hundred and sixty

1038
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: five passing yards per game, eighteen and eight twenty eight sacks.

1039
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,479
Speaker 1: Hidal has been great out of the backfield for them.

1040
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 2: But this is one.

1041
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,919
Speaker 1: Where the Pittsburgh pass rush, it'll be curious to see

1042
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: how how they try to work. We talked about Indianapolis's

1043
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,280
Speaker 1: struggles a week ago.

1044
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Pittsburgh's pass rush. Finally last week high Smith

1045
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,919
Speaker 3: and Watt won one on one battles and now they're

1046
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 3: gonna It'll be interesting to see what to Harbaugh and

1047
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 3: Greg Roman do because the tackle position is obviously going

1048
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 3: to be a weakness in terms of one on one

1049
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 3: pass protection. So we'll see what they do there. I'll

1050
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 3: tell you one matchup I'm really looking forward to seeing.

1051
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 3: You know, Jalen Ramsey last week played safety on every

1052
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 3: snap and I don't know if that's something they're going

1053
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 3: to continue to do if he's essentially now a safety

1054
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 3: in the Steelers defense, because earlier in the season he

1055
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 3: was playing safety at times, about a lot of slot

1056
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 3: corner as well, and even times he played outside corner.

1057
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 3: But last week it was one hundred percent safety, and

1058
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 3: he matched up to Tyler Warren when they did play

1059
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 3: man to man coverage. I'm very curious to see now

1060
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 3: if they match him up to Ronde Gatston, who over

1061
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 3: the last month, Mike, and then for those fantasy people,

1062
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 3: they know what I'm talking about. Ronde Gaston has become

1063
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 3: a really meaningful target for Justin Herbert. I mean, and

1064
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 3: he's kind of a big wide receiver even though he's

1065
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:52,760
Speaker 3: technically a tight.

1066
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 1: End, standing six five two thirty six over the last

1067
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: four games a total of twenty four receptions.

1068
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he's he's he's been a major factor. They

1069
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 3: do a nice job scheming him, but also the one

1070
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 3: on one matchups, and I think you will see the

1071
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 3: rams He Gatsdon matchup in this game.

1072
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh offense, on the other hand, one that leaves.

1073
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 2: Us wanting oftentimes. Yeah.

1074
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: Third view is rushing yards per game. It's just eighty

1075
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: seven Rogers averaging two eleven. But we talked about it

1076
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 1: a little bit last week. Still trying to find DK Metcalf.

1077
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, this offense, I mean, I'm just being honest. It's

1078
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Speaker 3: a tough one for me to watch this in terms

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Speaker 3: of enjoyment of watching football, you know. So yeah, like

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Speaker 3: you said, they try to run it. They use a

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Speaker 3: lot of big people. Every once in a while. It

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Speaker 3: looks good because Washington, the tight end, who I have

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Speaker 3: it from a good source that he's probably closer to

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Speaker 3: three hundred pounds than two sixty five. You know, he's

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Speaker 3: a very good blocker for a tight end. He can

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Speaker 3: block defensive ends one on one, and that's important in

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Speaker 3: their run game. But the past game is you know,

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Speaker 3: even with Aaron Rodgers, it's it's just there's not a

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Speaker 3: lot there right now. You have to hope as the

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Speaker 3: season progresses, for their sake anyway, that it just gets

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Speaker 3: better and better. But offensively, they're not an easy offense

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Speaker 3: to watch for me anyway.

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Speaker 1: As we continue, that is a Sunday Night, a fair

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Speaker 1: ISO game for you more Aaron Rodgers for you to

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Speaker 1: consume is solo and we don't have any World Series

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Speaker 1: games or anything else to run opposite it. Maybe you've

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Speaker 1: got an NBA game. I don't think it's a cup

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Speaker 1: night where they got those mutant courts or anything. So

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Speaker 1: Isoball Herbert and Aaron Rodgers getting after it? Hey be

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Speaker 2: Well we continue.

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Speaker 1: We've got a big battle seven to two Patriots six

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Speaker 1: and two Buccaneers. Drake may Baker Mayfield two of the

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Fox Sports Radio. It's Fox Football Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Mike Carmon, Greg Coasell with you. Having a blast rolling

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Speaker 1: through the games of week ten. Reminder, you've got just

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Speaker 1: a few minutes to get those lineup changes in. If

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Speaker 1: you had anybody that you were in debate between the

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Speaker 1: Falcons and Colts that game coming up.

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Speaker 2: I was looking at Alex Pearce. Alex Pierce had to.

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Speaker 1: Find his way into the back end of the lineup,

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Speaker 1: looking for one of those big plays, Greg Cosel to

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Speaker 1: get me excited, and if I'm going to be watching

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Speaker 1: it in the studio, I got to have that extra

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Speaker 1: vested interest along the way that and I've talked him

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Speaker 1: up a bunch over the course of the week, and

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Speaker 1: then I realized, Hey, he's been sitting on a bench

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Speaker 1: on one of my squads. Bad job by me.

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Speaker 3: Well, they're starting to use him a lot more too.

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Speaker 3: They're lining him up as what we call the boundary X,

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Speaker 3: the single receiver to the short side of the field.

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Speaker 3: So he's getting more targets.

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Speaker 1: Letting him go and get it, averaging about twenty one

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Speaker 1: yards of catch as we get ready for Week ten,

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Speaker 1: can't wait for this matchup, the curiosity of what Atlanta

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Speaker 1: does and to see if we get more Bijon Robinson,

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Speaker 1: and of course for Indianapolis, the bounce back effort after

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Speaker 1: that game against the Steelers. But one of the biggest

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Speaker 1: games on the slate today has my rapt attention, certainly

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Speaker 1: my folks. My dad was asking me about it the

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Speaker 1: other day. He said, I asked Greg what he thinks

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Speaker 1: of Baker Mayfield. So we'll do that in a second.

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Speaker 1: But let's start with the other side of things. The

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Speaker 1: New England Patriots.

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Speaker 7: To left and one right for Mac Jones in the shotgun,

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Speaker 7: stomps his foot, gets the football back to pass pressure

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Speaker 7: in his face, throws.

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Speaker 3: It out left.

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Speaker 7: Jennicks catches, try to the ten, jumps for the left

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Speaker 7: pylon he is and for a forty nine ers touchdown.

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Speaker 1: We got the forty nine ers. There's Mac Jones, former

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Speaker 1: New England Patriots quarterback. Along the way. Let's highlight a

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Speaker 1: little bit of Drake may as we flow six straight

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Speaker 1: wins for them. They were plus sixty eight point differential

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Speaker 1: thus far on the year, and you look at what

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Speaker 1: May has been with Stefan Diggs becoming his number one,

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Speaker 1: starting to mix in Trivia and Henderson a little bit

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Speaker 1: as the season goes on. Here Greg so a little

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Speaker 1: more balanced. But from Drake May to seven and two

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Speaker 1: a guy that it's just been seemingly fairly easy flow

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Speaker 1: from my squad.

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Speaker 3: And and Kayshawn Booty is out today, and I think

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Speaker 3: that's meaningful. He's he's a very good receiver.

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Speaker 1: Yards per catch, so that's a play threat out the game.

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Speaker 3: I mean, May has been really good in a lot

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Speaker 3: of the areas that you don't expect a second year

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Speaker 3: quarterback to be good. He's very good versus blitz. He's

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Speaker 3: been very good on third down. He's very controlled and

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Speaker 3: calculated in the pocket. He's such an easy throw over

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Speaker 3: the football I would expect against this Bucks defense and

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Speaker 3: Todd Bowles. You know, Todd Bowles is not the kind

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Speaker 3: of guy that plays risk averse defense. So even though

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Speaker 3: May has been good versus blitz, even though May has

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Speaker 3: been good, when I watch the tape, when when the

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Speaker 3: picture changes pre snap to post snap, he's been good.

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Speaker 3: With that, I don't think Todd Bowles is the kind

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Speaker 3: of guy Mike that's going to say, oh, then we

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Speaker 3: better not do what we do. That's not the way

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Speaker 3: Todd Bowles thinks. So I think you're going to see

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Speaker 3: some pressure concepts in situationally that may's not seen before.

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Speaker 3: And Todd Bowles uses defensive backs more than any other

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Speaker 3: coach in the league as part of his pressures, and

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Speaker 3: they come from places that are very hard for offensive

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Speaker 3: linemen to have any feel for. So to me, this

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Speaker 3: is going to be really interesting to see how it

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Speaker 3: plays out.

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Speaker 2: And for the Tampa Bay side of things.

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield hitting on about sixty four percent of his

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Speaker 1: pass attempts thirteen to two touchdown to interception ratio last

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Speaker 1: time out that lost to New Orleans, second game of

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Speaker 1: the year that Baker was held to fewer than two

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Speaker 1: hundred passing yards. But this has been an interesting run

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Speaker 1: trying to cobble together or receiving week to week for

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Speaker 1: the Buccaneers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they haven't been as explosive in the past game

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Speaker 3: in the last two to three games, and obviously they're

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Speaker 3: missing pieces, but it just hasn't looked as good on tape.

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Speaker 3: It hasn't looked as fluids as structured, so they need

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Speaker 3: to get back to that. Obviously, they don't have the

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Speaker 3: players they'd like to have. They don't have a true

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Speaker 3: boundary X receiver right now, and and I think much

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Speaker 3: of their offense was built on Mike Evans being that

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Speaker 3: boundary X who you could line up one on one

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Speaker 3: and he could win. So it's been a little bit

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Speaker 3: of a struggle. We'll see what their approach is against

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Speaker 3: a very overlooked Patriots defense that's very good and has

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Speaker 3: a lot of players that people may not know about

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Speaker 3: but are really good players, like Robert Splaine, the linebacker

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Speaker 3: is a very very good player. Marcus Jones has played

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Speaker 3: really well at nicol slot corner. They're playing with a

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Speaker 3: rookie safety Woodson from the University of California at Berkeley's.

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Speaker 3: He won the job in training camp. It's the reason

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Speaker 3: they just traded Kyle Duggar. So they've got a lot

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Speaker 3: of solid play from good players that you wouldn't expect.

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Speaker 1: Well, you got a nod to the cal Bears, who

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Speaker 1: got a big win last night. They did four Louisville Cardinals.

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Speaker 3: They sure did.

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Speaker 1: Our friend Amy.

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Speaker 2: Tress celebrating that one in the post.

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Speaker 1: So it's good to see, you know, getting some run

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Speaker 1: on the Hall of Fame advancement there. I've already written

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Speaker 1: my letter of support. I will do two more this week,

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Speaker 1: like I'm in the Shawshank redemption on her behalf. But

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Speaker 1: certainly for the Patriots, tied for fifth in terms of

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Speaker 1: total defense given up to eighteen point eight good per game,

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Speaker 1: and they've been done a good job. I mean they're

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Speaker 1: at a zero for the year in terms of a

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Speaker 1: turnover differential, but you know they've played clean football. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is one of the more interesting games of the

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Speaker 1: week for now.

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Speaker 3: Question. Yeah, no, I'm really curious to see that Patriots

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Speaker 3: O bucks D side of the ball because, like I said,

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Speaker 3: Todd Balls is not a He's not going to sit back.

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Speaker 3: He's going to have something that Drake may has not

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Speaker 3: seen yet.

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Speaker 1: No Godwin, no Irving yet. We talked about the receiving corps.

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Speaker 1: It's been Abuca, Shepherd, Oughton and now twenty one catch

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Speaker 1: out of the backfield for Rashon White.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you the guy who's been hurt all year,

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Speaker 3: he got hurt in the preseason and I don't know

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Speaker 3: when he's coming back is Jalen McMillan. And I really

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Speaker 3: liked him coming out of Washington and he started to

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Speaker 3: come on last year as a rookie in the second

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Speaker 3: half of the season. And he's been hurt all of

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Speaker 3: this year and I think he's a really good player,

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Speaker 3: but he hasn't been able to play yet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So he got hurt back in August preseason game

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Speaker 1: against Pittsburgh, suffered a broken bone in his neck. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the last update we got towards the end of October

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Speaker 1: from Todd Bowles. So yeah, he became a big part

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Speaker 1: of what they were doing in the second half of

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Speaker 1: the season, no question. Yeah, helping a lot of those

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Speaker 1: fantasy owners that we talk about without question.

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Speaker 3: And he's so we'll see. I mean, obviously he's not

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Speaker 3: playing today, so I'm wondering. I hope he doesn't miss

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Speaker 3: the whole season.

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Speaker 1: No, it'd be it'd be a huge boom for them

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Speaker 1: for the final couple weeks of the year. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you can get any of these guys back. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Evans with the collarbone not walking through that door anytime soon. Either.

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Speaker 1: he is traversing fan response to what they're doing in Germany.

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Speaker 7: I literally and apparently they are very pleased with the

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Speaker 7: quality of the Wi Fi in the stadium in Berlin,

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Speaker 7: where it is three thirty one in the afternoon there

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Speaker 7: cloudy forty six degrees and just moments away from kickoff

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Speaker 7: between the seven and two Indianapolis Colts and the three

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Speaker 7: and five Atlanta Falcons, among other things, the debut of

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Speaker 7: Sauce Gardner and a Colt uniform after being paroled excuse

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Speaker 7: me after being acquired from the New York Jets earlier

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Speaker 7: this week. In college football, on Saturday night, Number four

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Speaker 7: Alabama over LSU twenty to nine to improved to eight

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Speaker 7: and one. LSU held without a touchdown for the first

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Speaker 7: time in thirteen years. Number ten Notre Dame defeated Navy

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Speaker 7: forty nine to ten. Notre Dames Jeremiah Love two touchdowns,

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Speaker 7: including one from forty eight yards. Wake Forest won a

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Speaker 7: twelfth rank Virginia sixteen to nine, and Cal in overtime,

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Speaker 7: knocked off Number fourteen Louisville twenty nine to twenty six.

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Speaker 7: In the NBA on Saturday night, the San Antonio Spur

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Speaker 7: beat the New Orleans Pelicans one twenty six to one,

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Speaker 7: nineteen to improved to seven and two, five and zero

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Speaker 7: at home. Victor wembin Yama eighteen points, eighteen rebounds and

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Speaker 7: three blocks. Denver's Nikola Jokis another triple double thirty two points,

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Speaker 7: fourteen rebounds, fourteen assists and they're one seventeen to one

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Speaker 7: hundred win over the Indiana Pacers.

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Speaker 1: Back to you, guys, appreciate you Ilo at Isaac lohen Krawn.

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Speaker 1: You catch him Angel City FC doing the radio there

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Speaker 1: and then.

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Speaker 2: His work on the network.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate him joining us and being part of what

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Speaker 1: we're doing here this morning, Greg, we get back into

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Speaker 1: the matchups. Monday Night football gives us an absolute gem

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Speaker 1: forty five and a half the total. Packers two and

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Speaker 1: a half point favorites. Philadelphia had a two game winning

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Speaker 1: streak ahead of their by Jalen hurt seventy percent completion rate,

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Speaker 1: fifteen to one touchdown to interception ratio. But he's being

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Speaker 1: carried all the way through, don't you know he can't

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Speaker 1: play on Barkley.

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Speaker 2: I have a giant question mark.

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Speaker 1: I just wrote down second half dot dot dot question

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Speaker 1: mark because we had in week eight his first one

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Speaker 1: hundred yard game of the season.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a game where they played what essentially

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Speaker 3: was Eagles football from a year ago when they got

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Speaker 3: to the Super Bowl and won it. Because last year

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Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts had eight or nine games where he did

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Speaker 3: not throw for two hundred yards I thought that the

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Speaker 3: way they played against the Giants is probably the way

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Speaker 3: they want to play. You know, keep in mind a

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Speaker 3: year ago Saquon Barkley in the second half of games

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Speaker 3: last year rushed for almost thirteen hundred yards just in

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Speaker 3: the second half in twenty twenty four, So they were

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Speaker 3: a team. They were a running football team as their foundation.

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Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts normally does not throw, is not asked to

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Speaker 3: drop back more than thirty times a game. He never

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Speaker 3: turns the ball over. He plays very smart football. They

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Speaker 3: really post problems for teams when it's let's say third

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Speaker 3: and five to nine, because they're not automatically a passing

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Speaker 3: team on third down and five to nine yards, Mike,

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Speaker 3: because if they're getting near midfield or pass midfield into

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Speaker 3: plus territory, they'll run the ball because if they get

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Speaker 3: to fourth and three, fourth and two, they're going for it.

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Speaker 3: So now, as a defense, you have to decide how

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Speaker 3: you want to play them on let's say third and seven.

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Speaker 3: It's not an automatic passing down when you play the

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Speaker 3: Eagles on third and seven, especially, as I said, as

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Speaker 3: they get to the fifty and into plus territory. So

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Speaker 3: their offense is in some ways, it's very difficult to defend.

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Speaker 3: Even though they are not a pure passing offense.

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Speaker 1: The curiosity today green Bay allowing the fifth fewest rushing

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Speaker 1: yards per game aage day.

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Speaker 3: They're a good defense. Yeah, there are very good defense.

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Speaker 3: I think they are top five in the league overall.

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Speaker 3: They're good in the run game, they're good in the

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Speaker 3: pass game. They're very fast at the linebacker position. With

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Speaker 3: Azure and Cooper and Koy Walker. I think one area

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Speaker 3: that you can attack. And I'll be very anxious to

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Speaker 3: see what the Eagles do now that aj Brown is

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Speaker 3: back is I think you can work against their outside

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Speaker 3: corners Nixon and Carrington Valentine. And I'll be curious to

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Speaker 3: see if early in the game if the Eagles choose

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Speaker 3: to take some shots outside with Brown and DeVante Smith,

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Speaker 3: because i think that's a matchup that favors the Eagles.

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Speaker 3: And there's no question that Jalen Hurts is an outstanding

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Speaker 3: thrower to the football vertically outside the numbers, that's probably

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Speaker 3: his greatest strength.

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Speaker 1: Now we look out the offensive side for Green Bay,

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Speaker 1: Jordan Love completing seventy one percent of his attempts eight

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Speaker 1: point three yards per attempt doesn't have the gaudy touchdown total,

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Speaker 1: but that's what's gonna happen when Josh Jacobs is already

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Speaker 1: at double digit touchdowns halfway through the season, averaging just

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Speaker 1: three point eight yards per carry thus far, though, Greg

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Speaker 1: for that offense.

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Speaker 3: That run game hasn't been I think exactly what they

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Speaker 3: want it to be, because we both know, as I'm

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01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 3: sure fans do, that Matt Lafleur would like the run

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Speaker 3: game to be a strong foundation, and it just hasn't

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Speaker 3: been as consistent and as foundational as they'd like it

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Speaker 3: to be. Last week's game, the loss to the Panthers,

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Speaker 3: was a very odd game, Mike. They had eight possessions,

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01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 3: they did not punt, and yet they only scored thirteen points.

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Speaker 3: They were one for five in the red zone. That

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Speaker 3: was the killer, and prior to last week they've been

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Speaker 3: outstanding in the red zone, so that was kind of

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Speaker 3: an aberration. But Love could be missing a number of receivers.

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Speaker 3: You know, he's played very well this year. He's much

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Speaker 3: more controlled, he's much more calculated. I guess Matthew Golden

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Speaker 3: and obviously we don't know this game. Tomorrow night is

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Speaker 3: going to give it a whirl. I guess he's questionable

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Speaker 3: as we speak today, but they'll be missing some other receivers.

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Speaker 3: And we know Tucker Kraft, who's a major factor not

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Speaker 3: only in the field but in the red zone. We

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Speaker 3: know he's done for the season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a huge loss given what he's become as

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01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: a game breaker all right now, just a red zone guy.

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Speaker 1: He became a big play threat for them, and right

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Speaker 1: as you're getting Christian Watson back, the thought was, well,

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Speaker 1: now you've got him, safety's got a clear out and

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Speaker 1: maybe some bigger plays for Craft.

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Speaker 2: And now that gets lost.

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Speaker 3: Well, it'll be interesting because Luke Musgrave was considered a

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Speaker 3: better prospect coming out of college than Craft. Now, obviously

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Speaker 3: Craft has turned into a very good player, but Musgrave

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Speaker 3: is faster vertically than Craft. He's a three level threat.

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Speaker 3: And now he's going to get the opportunity to be

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Speaker 3: the number one tight end. And he was considered and

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Speaker 3: I evaluated him coming out of college. He missed time

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Speaker 3: his last year at Oregon due to injury, but I

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Speaker 3: went back and looked at him the year before when

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Speaker 3: he came out. He's got a lot of juice to him.

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Speaker 3: It'll be very interesting to see how he's deployed now

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Speaker 3: in the context of their offense.

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Speaker 1: Well, we certainly put him up there as one of

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Speaker 1: those go get him and let's see how he gets utilized.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 1: In the Fantasy Realm, the I Watch Reflex podcast for

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Speaker 1: those that are looking for a little more fantasy juice.

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Speaker 1: On week ten, Dan bayer Ian, Roddy and I getting

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Speaker 1: together for that one. Brandon Deutsch was on with Bernie

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Speaker 1: Fratta earlier doing his fantasy looks see as well. But

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Speaker 1: Muskrav one of the curiosities at a position that has

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Speaker 1: been a bit topsy turvy for fantasy owners. So if

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Speaker 1: you're still using the tight end position, Craft's loss was

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Speaker 1: actually pretty monumental given what he'd been So we'll see

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Speaker 1: if Musgrave can fill the role. Now you mentioned Carolina,

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Speaker 1: we have one minute before I have to tell the

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Speaker 1: folks to go buy products and goods. So let's talk

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Speaker 1: about Carolina because they are a plus five hundred.

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Speaker 2: Team right now.

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01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 3: I know it's crazy, right yeah.

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Speaker 1: With Bryce Young averaging one hundred and seventy four passing

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Speaker 1: yards per game, Ted McMillan the only receiver with more

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Speaker 1: than two hundred receiving yards, but a lot of Rico

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Speaker 1: Dowdel these last several weeks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Downald's a really interesting guy because he was undrafted.

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01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 3: He did not have a great career at South Carolina.

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Speaker 3: But I have to tell you when you watch him

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Speaker 3: on tape, he is a strong inside runner, Mike. I

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01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:55,919
Speaker 3: mean he's he's got natural power. He gets hard yards,

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Speaker 3: and that's so critical for their offense because they're not

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Speaker 3: a big play passing team because Young has limitations in

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01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 3: the pocket as a passer, so they have to stay

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01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:06,599
Speaker 3: Every team wants to do this, of course, but some

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01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 3: teams it's more important than others. They have to stay

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01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:13,000
Speaker 3: ahead of the chains. And Doubtell is that kind of back.

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01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 3: And he's also showed kind of surprising lateral quickness to

1454
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 3: make sharp cuts in confined space. And their run game

1455
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 3: concepts have kind of expanded. It'll be interesting to see

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01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 3: how they do, you know, because right now, I mean

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Speaker 3: they're in the playoff hunt.

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Speaker 1: How about that absolute chaos thousand yard rusher last year

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Speaker 1: for Dallas. Yeah, now doing it all for Carolina one

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Speaker 1: of the more interesting teams watching. Obviously, we're not going

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01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 1: to do a lot with it. Tyler Schuck on the

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Speaker 1: other side, start number two breeze out here, so we

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Speaker 1: won't do the big Saints. Yeah, we don't need the

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Speaker 1: say that for another time. We still have a couple

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Speaker 1: more big games on the slate. As we continue, It's

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Speaker 1: Fox Football Sunday, Fox Sports Radio. The game is underway

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Speaker 1: in Germany. We'll keep you updated on what's going on

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Speaker 1: there as the day progresses. But as we continue, we've

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Speaker 1: got Arizona in Seattle. We mentioned Arizona a little bit

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Speaker 1: earlier with the Kyler Murray spot. Jacoby Brissett. What does

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Speaker 1: he bring to the table in a big battle with

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold. We'll do that next. As we continue on Fox.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio update from Germany.

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Speaker 1: The Colts dancing after a big turnover. Pennix hit Paul

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Speaker 1: Loose returned earlier. They'd been turned away on a fourth

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Speaker 1: down call by the Atlanta defense nine minutes remaining just

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Speaker 1: outside the red zone. The Colts will start once again.

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Speaker 1: Mike Harmon, Greg Cosel, thanks for being with us here.

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Speaker 1: It's Fox Football Sunday, Fox Sports Radio. We we've gone

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Speaker 1: through a number of the big games. We've got a

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Speaker 1: couple that are maybe interesting on one side. Left to

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Speaker 1: go except for well one curiosity. The Seattle Seahawks Arizona

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Speaker 1: Cardinal Seattle brings in another receiver, they go get Rashid

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Speaker 1: Shahied Yeah.

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Speaker 2: From New Orleans.

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Speaker 1: Last report was that Cooper Cup should be available as well.

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01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:10,360
Speaker 1: He's had moments sporadic as they were. It's a lot

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Speaker 1: of JSN in a run game that can't seem to

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Speaker 1: get on track. But Sam Darnald thus far seventy percent

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Speaker 1: completion greg sixteen versus five touchdown to interception. But the

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Speaker 1: number that always stands out that nine point six yards

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Speaker 1: per attempt.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and there over the last month or so, you've

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Speaker 3: really seen them, I think, work toward what Clint Kubiak,

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Speaker 3: the first year offensive coordinator, wants them to be. He

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Speaker 3: was brought in the play action run game with under center,

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Speaker 3: which by the way, Donald has thrown for the most

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Speaker 3: passing yards and play action under center, and actually that's

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Speaker 3: fifteen point seven yards per attempt under center, play action

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Speaker 3: and now you ad Shaheed into that mix. But what

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01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 3: will be interesting and maybe it's an embarrassment of riches,

1502
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 3: but it's still something you have to figure out. They've

1503
01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 3: played a lot with multiple tight end in sets. This year. Okay,

1504
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:03,920
Speaker 3: that's one thing that's been foundational. But now that they

1505
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 3: have Shaheed Cup getting back healthy, Jsn arguably being the

1506
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 3: best receiver in the league this year in terms of production.

1507
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 3: So how will Klint Kubiak sort of balance that playing

1508
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 3: multiple tight ends, playing with three wide receivers. You know,

1509
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:20,720
Speaker 3: it sounds like, oh, it's easy to do, but you know,

1510
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 3: as you probably know, Mike, that's not that easy to

1511
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 3: do when you're trying to figure that.

1512
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 1: Out well, trying to feed everybody but still trying to

1513
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:29,560
Speaker 1: get the run game going exactly. Seems every once in

1514
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 1: a while you get a couple of big plays from

1515
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker the third and then he's back on the

1516
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:38,639
Speaker 1: sideline and Zach charbonay for fantasy purposes, vulturing touchdowns or whatever.

1517
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:40,760
Speaker 1: But every once in a while there just seems to

1518
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 1: be a little bit of momentum where you're starting to

1519
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 1: get that push the whole, you know kind of thing

1520
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:48,600
Speaker 1: where Darnold's getting that support and just like that it

1521
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 1: goes away.

1522
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the rookie tight end, Elijah Royo is starting

1523
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 3: to become a factor. He's got vertical ability. We saw

1524
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:57,120
Speaker 3: in their last game the touchdown he caught on a

1525
01:15:57,200 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 3: vertical seam route. There's a lot there and Darnold is

1526
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 3: he will push the ball down the field. That's what

1527
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:06,640
Speaker 3: he did in Minnesota last year. That's one reason they

1528
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 3: wanted him in Seattle with Clint Kubiak, that play action

1529
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 3: pass game. He pushes the ball down the field.

1530
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, Shaheed reunited with Kubiak as well. How about the

1531
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:18,720
Speaker 1: other side of the ball. We talked about it briefly

1532
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 1: in our one with the Kyler Murray situation. Now the

1533
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:26,480
Speaker 1: foot and try to read between what's real what's imagined

1534
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 1: in terms of injury reports and everything else. But Jacoby

1535
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:33,120
Speaker 1: Brissett is your own questioned starter right now, completely about

1536
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:36,480
Speaker 1: two thirds of his passes, six touchdowns against an interception,

1537
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 1: and one thing and maybe cajoled by the elder version

1538
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 1: of it, Marvin Harrison, who says nothing, said, Hey, I

1539
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 1: don't know what this offense is doing. And then his

1540
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:49,720
Speaker 1: son goes out and has his best game of the

1541
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:53,480
Speaker 1: year seven catches, ninety six yards in a score against Dallas.

1542
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 3: Look, i think I've watched every Kyler Murray game. You know,

1543
01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 3: I watched him coming out. I think I've watched every

1544
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 3: game in the league. Murray, and a lot of people

1545
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 3: just throw the word inconsistent out and that's an easy

1546
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 3: word to throw out, and it certainly fits. But the

1547
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 3: thing with Murray, because he's so erratic in the pocket,

1548
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:12,720
Speaker 3: you just don't know what you're going to get on

1549
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 3: a week to week basis, and there's nothing worse for

1550
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:19,679
Speaker 3: an offense. Now, Jacoby Brissett, certainly he's not good enough

1551
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:21,680
Speaker 3: to be a starter, you know, or he would have

1552
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 3: been for teams in his career. I think he's done

1553
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 3: that once or twice. But obviously he's a very good backup.

1554
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 3: But at least he has a better understanding of the

1555
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 3: timing and rhythm of the pass game, and you have

1556
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 3: a better sense, not a perfect sense, but a better

1557
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:39,720
Speaker 3: sense of what you're going to get. And now when

1558
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 3: you call plays with your pass game that he's going

1559
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:46,640
Speaker 3: to execute those at a higher level of consistency than

1560
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 3: Kyler Murray. You know, when you look back with Murray,

1561
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:52,839
Speaker 3: and not every game, but most of his good games

1562
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 3: come about because of the outside of structure plays and

1563
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 3: I can think of many of them over the last

1564
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:01,559
Speaker 3: number of years, Mike, But you just you can't live

1565
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 3: like that, You can't play like that as an offense

1566
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 3: and count on that on a week to week basis.

1567
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 1: Well, and especially you look at it going forward, it

1568
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:11,719
Speaker 1: becomes an even bigger question now that you've got another

1569
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:15,640
Speaker 1: foot injury to talk about what's made him special and

1570
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 1: even if it took it off, you know, schedule in

1571
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 1: terms of trying to do lay calling and guys have

1572
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 1: to do a little more freelancing and keeping plays alive

1573
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:27,559
Speaker 1: and everything else. What made him special was that extra

1574
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:30,960
Speaker 1: turbo mode, which now it becomes a question see addle

1575
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 1: only nine sacks on the year for all of what

1576
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 1: they've been able to do at times defensively here, so

1577
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:40,800
Speaker 1: to be curious to watch how they approach and whether

1578
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:42,639
Speaker 1: Brissett's able to work again.

1579
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 3: Has a very good defense. I mean this is it's

1580
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:49,559
Speaker 3: a really intriguing defense to watch, and Mike McDonald does

1581
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 3: a lot of good things and m and Wari has

1582
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:55,759
Speaker 3: become the rookie safety has become a really big factor

1583
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 3: for them. He plays almost every snap. But their defense

1584
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:01,559
Speaker 3: is getting better and better Byron Murphy has really come

1585
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:02,599
Speaker 3: on in his second year.

1586
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 1: No, it's a good squad eighteen point eight points allowed

1587
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 1: per game, getting it done more. Sam Donald later on

1588
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:13,959
Speaker 1: a couple last games here to choose your own adventure,

1589
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 1: Detroit Washington or Buffalo Miami. If we said enough about

1590
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 1: Miami the last couple.

1591
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 3: Of weeks, Well, you know, Buffalo is a very interesting

1592
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 3: team to me because obviously they played very well last week.

1593
01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:27,640
Speaker 3: They're running football team, and they have creative ways to

1594
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 3: get to base runs. They ran a counter run that there.

1595
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:33,599
Speaker 3: It's very creative and it's been very good for them

1596
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 3: in the last couple of weeks. You know, with Josh Allen,

1597
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:39,720
Speaker 3: it's crazy, they're not really a passing football team right now,

1598
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 3: but obviously they they'll count on that if they need

1599
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 3: it in their minds. That's a division game. I know

1600
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 3: Miami's been bad, but these division games always are a

1601
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:51,280
Speaker 3: little worrisome, you know, you just never know.

1602
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:53,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen a little more of Waddall eighty two

1603
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 1: or more, receiving yards four of his last five for

1604
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, a career best at eight point two yards

1605
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:02,599
Speaker 1: per attempt, but just thirteen touchdowns four picks. He's been

1606
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 1: sacked seventeen times, that's three.

1607
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:05,320
Speaker 3: More than last year.

1608
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:05,839
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1609
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:09,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he scores a lot of touchdowns when they

1610
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 3: get low. He scores by running the football, So you know,

1611
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 3: we'll see.

1612
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 1: No question about that one's it's got his fascinating point.

1613
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:22,320
Speaker 1: Jacksonville and Houston, the Davis Mills experience, and we talked

1614
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 1: about Jacoby Myers. He wanted to get away from the Raiders.

1615
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 1: Guess what he gets to slide into the number one

1616
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 1: slot for the Jacksonville receiving core. Yeah, based on injuries,

1617
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:34,519
Speaker 1: So curiosity there. And then we get Detroit and Washington.

1618
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 1: That last game. We talked a lot about Jamiir Gibbs

1619
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 1: last hour, more Mario than that one, so we'll see

1620
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:44,360
Speaker 1: who's Deebo and ERTs the only two receivers with more

1621
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 1: than fifteen receptions greg. It was a quick, fast, great

1622
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 1: two hours to do again soon coming up next Countdown

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