WEBVTT - 1/26/26: Gov Shutdown Imminent, Revolt After ICE Shooting, Chinese General Purged 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:01.599 Hey, guys, Saga and Crystal here. 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:05.200 Independent media just played a truly massive role in this election, 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:07.840 and we are so excited about what that means for 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:08.760 the future of the show. 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:10.760 This is the only place where you can find honest 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:13.280 perspectives from the left and the right that simply does 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:14.680 not exist anywhere else. 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:17.080 So if that is something that's important to you, please 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:19.599 go to Breakingpoints dot com. 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So Chuck Schumer has met with his 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:57.160 Senate colleagues, and in the wake of the killing of 0:00:57.240 --> 0:01:03.080 Alex pretty Rank and ale Democrats have been uh livid 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:05.920 and saying that they're drawing a red line here, that 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:11.160 they have no intention of UH of supporting government funding 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:14.880 if it includes money for the DHS, and so saga, 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:18.360 what's what's going on here? So last week the House 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:22.399 passed a bunch of different UH spending packages and then 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:26.640 and then left like so could credit to Speaker Mike Johnson, 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:28.800 we could say, I think this is one of the 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:33.919 first times that the House has actually passed to normal 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:37.319 appropriations bills the whay you're supposed to do it in 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:41.559 like decades, practically like the Congress has been completely broken. 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:44.720 They put it together and Democrats did this too clever 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:47.880 by half move. This is before the killing. I think 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:51.040 it was a Thursday night that it passed through the House. 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:52.040 UH. 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:56.560 What they did is they they gave Democratic support for 0:01:56.880 --> 0:02:00.240 these Republican measures that were not related to dhs US 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:03.040 and it allowed them. That allowed Republicans and then separate 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:06.880 out the DHS spending package. Democrats then all except for 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:10.680 like six of them or so, voted against that. But 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:13.680 leadership knew that the strategy that the two parties were 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:18.280 taking was going to move federal money for all agencies through, 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:22.120 but it allowed Democrats not to have their fingerprints on 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:24.520 the ICE money. So that's kind of where the politics 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:28.240 were leading up to Thursday that Democrats didn't want to 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:31.880 be associated with DHS spending, but we're willing to play 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:35.160 games in Washington that would allow to allow us to 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:38.800 avoid a government shut down. That all changed because the shooting. 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:43.000 So now what Schumer is demanding, and he has, as 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:47.480 according to my sources in the Senate, unified support among 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:50.680 the caucus for a strategy that says we will fund 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:54.560 all of the government except for DHS. So we don't 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:55.920 want to shut the government down. We want to do 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:58.000 what we did over in the House. Pass all these 0:02:58.040 --> 0:03:02.040 bills separately, keep everything open FEMA, especially because we're in 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:04.760 the midst of this horrific storm with you know, thousands 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:08.520 out of power, millions affected. But we're not funding DHS 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:12.000 until there are reforms. So what that does is that 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:15.680 they think at least that it puts then Republican in 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:18.200 the position of saying, no, we're going to shut the 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:22.680 government down unless you give us money for ICE and 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:27.520 CBP without any reforms whatsoever. And that feels kind of 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:32.120 untenable given public position that no, this needs to be 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:32.640 reined in. 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:35.200 Yeah, let's put the tear sheet next up on the screen. 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:37.800 And the most significant part of this is Ryan is 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:42.600 saying it's not the Progressive Caucus, it's that senators like Cortes, Mastow, 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:44.640 Jackie Rosen. 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:47.839 Angus Hmming, Independent, Tim Kaine. 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:53.000 Mark Warner, Mark Kelly Martin, Hein, Ryan Shatz Martin. 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:55.760 These are people who don't even know for good. 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:58.560 Reason, unless they're literally your own senator, and even then 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:01.080 we probably don't really know who they are. When those 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:04.360 people vote no, it's a big deal because what it 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:06.920 means is will have at the very least a partial 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:10.240 government shutdown. It is a bit complicated, Ryan, As I've 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:14.800 been understanding is apparently ICE actually does have the money 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:17.600 to continue operating because of the one big beautiful bill 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:21.599 back in twenty twenty five. However, this would effectively create 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:25.839 a DHS shutdown. And I mean it's basically just about 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:28.640 inflicting pain. And they're like, look, we won't fund any 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:31.240 of it, by the way, I mean, don't underestimate. Like TSA, 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:34.480 all these other agencies will likely start to go without, 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:37.479 they would go without potential paychecks. 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:37.360 And all that. 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:39.320 But this one could actually go on for a much 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:43.159 longer time because it's only the DHS funding that is 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:45.600 being held up. And I don't really see how they 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:49.760 could possibly give in without significant concessions by the government 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:51.600 here which are not forthcoming. 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:54.600 Right while you and I've been talking, go ahead, good no, 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:55.560 and you tell me. 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:58.640 But my sense of the Republican Party is that and 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:02.120 Senate Republicans is that they're not going to agree to 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:05.880 pass the other spending bills unless they also get DHS, 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:08.560 which means you would get a full government shutdown. What's 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:12.640 your sense of whether, because then if they do, I 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:14.960 think they would argue if we do that, Democrats are 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:16.920 just never gonna give us DHS. 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:19.080 I've been so focused on the shooting. I haven't worked 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:21.160 my phones on that one. I will and try to 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:24.000 have an update for everybody. My general sense is they're 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:25.760 going to take the order from the White House, and 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:27.720 the White House is going to have to decide whether 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:30.279 they want a partial government shutdown or whether they want 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:34.240 to have to go through another total government shutdown. My sense, 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:37.800 this is my general reaction. If I'm the White House, 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:41.720 the last thing I want is a total government shutdown 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:46.240 over ice funding. That's a disaster because the entire public 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:48.560 will be like, yeah, fuck that, or whatever it comes to. 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:50.800 They're like, listen, you know whatever. And by the way, 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:53.560 we just went through the longest government shutdown in US history. 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:54.880 Wasn't that bad? Right? 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:57.599 Everybody kind of got through it. It really was barely 0:05:57.640 --> 0:06:00.640 even a news story. Yes, it it have been bad 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:03.240 whenever it came to the airlines. But this time around, 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:05.520 you know, the Dems really have a much stronger thing 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:08.520 to stand on considering the events that just happened. So 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:11.400 if you're the White House, you actually don't want the 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:13.840 country to really be paying a total amount of attention 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:16.839 to a total government shutdown because the pressure will start 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:19.120 to come on you to actually do something about Ice, 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:21.440 which most people are to be saying is completely out 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:23.920 of control. So you may want a more partial government shutdown. 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:25.680 Now I could be wrong here. There could be some 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:28.880 chicken and all of that going going around, so don't 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:32.039 rule that out. But I think the Democrats are on 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:34.960 ten times stronger ground this time around than they were 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:38.200 last time around. I also think that they're starting some 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:40.920 cracks beginning to show on the Republican side. Let's put 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:43.320 the next one up here on the screen, and again, Ryan, 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:45.839 this is the stuff where it's funny trying to explain 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:49.760 Washington to people. Let's put d three guys, please is 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:57.040 the chairman, Representative Garbarino Andrew Garberino has formally requested testimony 0:06:57.040 --> 0:07:00.279 from ICBP USCIS leaders at a full committee hearing. 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:00.800 Quote. 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:03.360 Congress has an important responsibility to ensure the safety of 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:05.880 law enforcement and the people they serve and protect. So 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:09.200 when the chairman of the Householmeland Security Committee, a guy 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:13.280 again you've never heard of when these people to take power. 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:14.560 For it that he's in a member of Congress and 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:16.000 the chairman of the committee. 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:17.720 Yeah, that's a chairman of a powerful committee. 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:21.280 But when committee chairmen who have immense power but almost 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:24.240 never use it, almost never break from the administration. In 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:28.200 the more modern era, when those people start being like, yeah, no, 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:30.160 you're coming before Congress and you're going to have to 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:33.600 start asking. By the way, this was not requested by 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:35.920 the White House. They do not want this. The very 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:38.840 last thing they want is for their people to be 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:42.559 in front of a House committee under oath. I mean, Ryan, 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:45.160 why don't you explain again for people who don't watch 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:47.640 like this means every Democrat on the committee gets five 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:50.040 minutes to question you. On the right, it's a disaster. 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:53.000 It's not good. Whenever you're in power, that's right. 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:55.560 And if anybody thinks that, oh, well, maybe this is 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:58.520 just routine and it's a coincidence, you're not sending a 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:02.240 letter like this out on a Saturday exactly. And it 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:04.840 begins by you know, they sort of try to suggest 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:07.280 that there's some routine nature to the letter begins on 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:11.840 January fifteenth, you know, uh, you know, committee staff invited 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:14.520 you to testify, and then I said, then he said, 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:17.680 but then he says, today I am formally memorializing the 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:21.240 previous invitation, and to drop that on a Saturday right 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:24.640 after the killing is sending a very clear message and 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:27.800 it's and it's yes, so to your point, what this 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:30.120 and he's saying, and you know, he gives them a 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:33.720 bunch of different dates, the latest one being March eighteenth, 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:36.360 so he's kind of allowing them to at least, you know, 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:40.079 push it out, you know, a significant amount of time, 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:42.600 but that March eighteenth is going to be here before 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:45.559 you know it, and God only knows what's going to 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:49.120 happen in cities between now and then. And you're right, 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:52.960 this this gives you know, every member of that committee, 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:57.560 Democrat and Republican, and Republicans I think are feeling the 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:03.559 pressure too. You're gonna, I think you'll see some adversarial 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:07.719 questions from Republicans by then, and then that creates. 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:12.280 And mid terms all of Remember, all these people are 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:14.040 gonna have to go back to their district pretty soon, 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:16.680 and you know they have to do those mandatory meetings. 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:18.760 It's not gonna be good, folks. I mean, I'm telling 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:20.600 you right now, it is not going to be good. 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:23.679 Every Republican on Capitol Hill, Ryan, as you and I know, 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:25.840 even when they're in session, they're all going to have 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:28.480 Mike stuck in their face. What do you think about 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:32.120 what happened here? And every and even a single misstep. 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:32.600 You're going viral. 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:37.600 Congratulations. Next one, this one, this seems very significant. I'd 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:39.040 like for you to explain it to me. So this 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:43.520 is the ranking Committee Chairman, Benny Thompson, sorry, ranking Democrat 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:46.240 on the committee. Guys, let's put D four up on 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:49.200 the screen. He is saying that the Senate must vote 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:51.680 against funding, so that's already there, but he also says 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:54.920 the House must take immediate steps to impeach Kirsty No. 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:58.880 So again, Benny Thompson, not a household name, not really 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:02.520 somebody who we would all know is the top Democrat 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:04.959 on the committee is like, no, we're going to impeach Christy. No, 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:08.839 remember they impeached my orcis the Republicans did under the 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:12.520 tru under the Biden administration. I could easily see this 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:17.440 become a rallying cry if Democrats were to take control 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:20.400 of the midterm. So could you explain the significance of this, Yeah. 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:25.000 Well respected, a veteran Democrat, somebody that the party establishment, 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:27.880 you know, is a member you know, you know, in 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:30.760 good standing of the party establishment. This is not somebody 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:34.960 who's like some some rock thrower from the sidelines. And 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:37.680 the reporting that we're seeing this morning is that, you know, 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:42.240 Trump himself is quite upset with the way that DHS 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:46.360 has handled this and in particular own goals like Christy 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:49.959 Nome going out and saying this is a guy who 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:52.880 was trying to massacre people, he's a domestic terrorist, he 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:59.120 brandished his weapon, when everybody can see that none of 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:03.600 that happened. And so it goes to the credibility of 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:06.679 the of the administration and the seriousness of it and 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:10.800 puts then this would then put Republicans in the position 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:17.600 of defending her when if anybody's and also she's also 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:20.400 been an advocate her and she and her ally Corey 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:25.000 Lowandowski an advocate for this, you know, very aggressive kind 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:28.880 of public show of force, not just in Minneapolis, but 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:31.640 elsewhere where they've where they've tried to deploy it. That 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:34.160 their argument has been, this is, you know, let's let's 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:37.360 let's bring a very loud hammer to make the point 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:40.440 against some of the administration reporting is Tom Holmland and 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:43.520 others have said, no, let's let's let's go, let's go 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:46.920 after people that we know have criminal records. Let's do 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:51.199 target and enforcements, because we need to maintain public support 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:54.120 for this mandate that we that we have to do 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:56.320 mass deportations. If we don't, we're going to lose the 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:59.160 mandate and you're not going to get what you want 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:05.360 out of that. So the idea and the execution both 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:07.960 seem to be falling apart, and so Noam could end 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:11.480 up being the fall woman for this. Do you think 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:16.400 that she is vulnerable or is she protected by Trump's 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:22.040 belief that second term you don't let you give zero scalps, 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:22.880 give no ground. 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:25.560 Yeah, I mean literally, as you and I are speaking, 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:27.679 you may have missed this Donald Trump to sent out 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:29.880 this truth quote. I'm sure Chrystal and I will have 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:31.840 more to say about it tomorrow. I am sending Tom 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:34.000 Homan to Minnesota tonight. He has not been involved in 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:36.040 that area, but knows and likes many of the people there. 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:38.640 Tom is tough, but fair and will report directly to me. 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:42.120 And so what is actually even more significant than that 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:44.959 is that the Press Secretary put out a tweet this morning. 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:48.440 Tom Holman will be managing ICE operations on the ground 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:51.000 in Minnesota to continue arresting the worst and the worst. 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:53.920 In addition, Tom will coordinate those investigations into the massive, 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:56.679 widespread fraud that's resulted in billions of tax pay dollars. 0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:59.880 So basically Tom's taking over completely. There's been a lot 0:12:59.920 --> 0:13:01.319 of reporting HEREVP, what. 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:04.000 Like ICE keeps catching these strays for you. 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:06.040 No, you're right, And that is kind of the funny 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:09.760 thing is that this was entire the Border Patrol, which 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:13.520 also Bavino is literally the head you know of CBP, right, 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:16.120 And so this is where it gets confusing. America talks 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:18.640 about ICE, but it's not just ice really, and in fact, 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:20.720 there appears to be some conflict. A lot of ICE 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:23.840 officers are pissed off at CBP because they're saying they're 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.760 the ones who do all of this clownish behavior. There 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:29.320 is a theory inside the administration. I don't know how 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:34.160 much credence to give this that Bavino and Bavino, Kirsino, 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:37.480 and Corey Lewandowski have all been major proponents of kind 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:41.000 of this flood zone inside the Steaks Street strategy, like 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:44.120 for example in Chicago or prior to that in Los Angeles, 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:47.120 Whereas Tom Homan, who is a veteran you know, working 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:50.040 and ICE and Immigration Enforcement, is like, no, I only 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:51.000 want to target criminals. 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:52.080 We'll see. Okay. 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:54.880 We really have no idea exactly how all of that 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:56.680 is going to look, but it's very clear that she 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:59.880 is the fall woman in the interim, at least in 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:00.800 Trump's eyes. 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:03.320 But it's just not going to be enough in my opinion. 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:06.920 I mean, yeah, rum, this will not end. 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:12.080 Yeah. Homan shocked people right after the shooting of Renanicole 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:16.120 Good by giving an interview where he said, I think 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:19.800 we I can't I can't weigh in on this. We 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:23.400 need to await an impartial and independent investigation and then 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:27.080 I can have more of a comment. And the reporter said, well, 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:29.600 Christy Noom has said this, you know, Steven Miller has 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:31.280 said this, Jade Vance has said this. He's like, well, 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:34.080 they can speak for themselves. I'd like to see an investigation. 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:36.520 And it was it was very jarring for people like me, 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:38.440 you know, who've been very critical of home in over 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:40.760 the years, be like, Oh, that's that's like what you 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:42.640 want from a government official in a moment, like it's 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:43.040 a cop. 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:44.560 Yeah, at the end of the day, you can hit 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:47.720 a wait to investigation, right right, yeah, yeah, it's like 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:50.960 normal cops are like, I don't you know, it's not 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:53.480 the way that we do. I mean, by the way, 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:55.840 you know, this is a wret com But like if 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:58.280 you followed tom Oman, I followed him for many years, 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:00.880 is what was this always critics He'd be talking about 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:03.840 enforcing the law, right, like he was a big proponent 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:06.560 of law enforcement. He was massively critical of the Biden 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:10.640 administration for not enforcing immigration or a border law and 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:13.120 allowing tens of millions of people to come here illegally, 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:17.560 like that was fundamentally like he had much more of 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:18.280 a different view. 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:19.800 And he also always and I. 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:21.360 Remember this because he would talk about it during the 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:27.200 Bio Bomam administration too, a laser focused on criminal enforcement, right, 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:30.080 which was some of the selling point originally around ICE, 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:32.360 And at this point, I mean, we're so far from 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:35.280 that to achieve. We can say it's about immigration, sure, 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:38.040 but like he the rhetoric coming for the administration has 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:40.760 always been like worse of the worst criminals and all 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:42.320 that are the only ones being deported. 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:44.960 Uh, And that is just simply obviously it's not the case. 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:46.400 We've talked about that here. 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:49.400 But I think most importantly for what the future looks like, 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:52.760 we'll have to keep laser focused on the ground because look, 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:55.800 I mean, at this very same time, there are internacing 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:58.320 civil wars inside the government. All of this kind of 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:01.680 belies the point that there's going to be a shutdown here, 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:03.360 and I think it's going to go on for a 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:06.160 long time. I'm curious for your view. I do not 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:07.960 see how they could possibly break. 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:10.560 And the key, the key key detail here is what 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:13.080 the democratic demands are going to be when it comes 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:16.480 to the reform of DHS and reforms with an ICE 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:20.440 and CBP. Obviously they're not They can't demand at this 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:23.040 moment to abolish ICE. They need to take power if 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:26.320 they're going to abolish ICE or reform CVP. But they can, 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:29.360 they can get reformed now through this moment that they 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:32.640 have leverage. And the thing that I'm hearing is they're 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:35.280 going to be demanding will be and I think the 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:37.640 most important thing they're demanding is get it. Get rid 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:38.640 of these daily quotas. 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:40.120 It is. This is this. 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:43.920 Quota that Stephen Miller has insisted on putting on the 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:48.120 federal government, both the HS and CVP, for X number 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:53.040 of deportations every day. And if you know how bureaucracy works, 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:56.720 if there is a kind of accountability in that bureaucracy 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:59.360 for a for a number, like you have to hit 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:01.520 this number or you're not getting your promotions, you're going 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:05.160 to be you're going to be fired, that bureaucracy will 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:09.080 then push aside all of its other rules like protecting 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:12.320 civil liberties and making sure you're only targeting, you know, 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:16.560 people who are not citizens, for instance, and instead will 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:18.720 just start sweeping up as many as they possibly can 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:21.560 and then deal with the fallout of that later because 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:24.120 they've got a number to hit. And so Democrats are saying, 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:28.639 get that number out, just go after violent criminals, forget 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:32.080 the numbers. They're also going to demand that they no 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:35.080 longer be masked up, and I think some of the 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:38.360 other demands are still being worked out among the caucus 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:42.399 about what they think is, you know, a combination of 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:46.960 like achievable and also to the public, feels feels reasonable 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:49.520 to put Republicans in a position of saying, no, we're 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:53.080 shutting the government down to make sure that these guys 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:55.280 can still wear masks and that they have to hit 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:55.920 their quotas. 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:58.880 Right, Yeah, I mean, honestly, they'd be smart. Mass alone 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:01.400 will be a massive victory. They could even extract that, and. 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:02.880 I could see a world. Look. 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:05.640 Trump, here's the thing. Here's the funniest thing about Trump. 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:07.840 Trump yesterday did in a Wall Street Journal interview. He 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:08.960 didn't even defend the icy. 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:11.760 He was like, I don't know, I don't like this. 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:14.399 It goes we'll see, you know, they'll be an investigation. 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:17.560 So like he is the one most out of step 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:19.920 with his own government, which is of course, like part 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:22.560 of the madness of the entire thing. But just to 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:24.520 show everybody like he may be willing to cut a 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:27.280 deal very different than some of the other people in 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:29.800 the administration might be willing and able to. 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:31.679 So we'll see. I think this is going to be 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:33.239 at his opening bit. 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:36.000 His opening bid seems to be he wants, as you 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:40.720 were mentioning earlier, he wants sanctuary laws banned. 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:42.880 Right, fine, you can do that through Congress. 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:46.840 Christy Ahead, Christy nom had some sent some weird letter 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:49.280 to Minnesota where she said I'll leave if you give 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:51.600 me voter access to voter role. 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:55.080 Pamp BONDI okay, that was a very strange letter. I 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:57.479 did read through. It was like a three ring thing, 0:18:57.600 --> 0:19:01.560 was like end sanctuary policies, cooperate with us, and also 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:05.280 something about like we need to evaluate your voter database 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:11.199 to ensure there hasn't been election fraud. Yeah okay, yeah, yeah, right, 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:16.320 well that's not happening obviously, and so that is I 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:19.720 don't know, I'm curious. I'm really curious to see how 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:23.880 the administration so far, already they're showing signs of weakness. 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:26.840 Tom Homan being sent over. I mean, clearly it's like 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:29.240 a message of like okay, we're sending somebody new. So 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:32.679 that's interesting in itself, But with the shutdown, they have 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:35.040 to make an explicit choice or whether they want the 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:38.040 entire government to shut down over ice at a moment 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:42.840 of incredible public outrage, and whether they'll be able to stomach, 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:47.040 you know, supposedly standing up against the Democrats on something 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:49.040 like that for a prolonged period of time. 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:51.720 I suspect that they would lose that battle personally. 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:57.239 So we're starting to see cracks in the foundation of 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:01.040 maga's support for some of these mass deport from people 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:03.439 in that world or adjacent to it. Whether we got 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:06.040 Tim Dylan, Marjorie Taylor Green, or Dave Smith and some 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:08.200 others who go through some of these Marjorie Taylor Green, 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:12.200 I have to check myself because I'm constantly seeing things 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:15.240 from Marjorie Taylor Green that I don't just like, not 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:19.520