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Speaker 4: Funding for the federal government runs out on Friday, and

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Speaker 4: the killing of Minneapolis has shaken up what looked to

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Speaker 4: be a glide path to likely avoiding a shutdown into

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Speaker 4: what is now a wall that the Senate is going

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Speaker 4: to crash into. We can put up this first element

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Speaker 4: from Chuck Schumer. So Chuck Schumer has met with his

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Speaker 4: Senate colleagues, and in the wake of the killing of

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Speaker 4: Alex pretty Rank and ale Democrats have been uh livid

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Speaker 4: and saying that they're drawing a red line here, that

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Speaker 4: they have no intention of UH of supporting government funding

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Speaker 4: if it includes money for the DHS, and so saga,

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Speaker 4: what's what's going on here? So last week the House

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Speaker 4: They put it together and Democrats did this too clever

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Speaker 4: it was a Thursday night that it passed through the House.

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Speaker 4: What they did is they they gave Democratic support for

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Speaker 4: So now what Schumer is demanding, and he has, as

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Speaker 4: the midst of this horrific storm with you know, thousands

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's put the tear sheet next up on the screen.

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Speaker 3: And the most significant part of this is Ryan is

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Speaker 1: These are people who don't even know for good.

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Speaker 3: Reason, unless they're literally your own senator, and even then

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Speaker 1: Right while you and I've been talking, go ahead, good no,

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Speaker 4: But my sense of the Republican Party is that and

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Speaker 4: which means you would get a full government shutdown. What's

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Speaker 3: I've been so focused on the shooting. I haven't worked

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Speaker 3: this is my general reaction. If I'm the White House,

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Speaker 3: They're like, listen, you know whatever. And by the way,

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Speaker 3: we just went through the longest government shutdown in US history.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't that bad? Right?

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Speaker 3: Everybody kind of got through it. It really was barely

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Speaker 3: even a news story. Yes, it it have been bad

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Speaker 3: to a total government shutdown because the pressure will start

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Speaker 3: Now I could be wrong here. There could be some

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Speaker 3: the next one up here on the screen, and again, Ryan,

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Speaker 3: the chairman, Representative Garbarino Andrew Garberino has formally requested testimony

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Speaker 1: Quote.

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Speaker 3: Congress has an important responsibility to ensure the safety of

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Speaker 3: when the chairman of the Householmeland Security Committee, a guy

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Speaker 3: again you've never heard of when these people to take power.

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Speaker 4: For it that he's in a member of Congress and

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Speaker 4: the chairman of the committee.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a chairman of a powerful committee.

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Speaker 3: But when committee chairmen who have immense power but almost

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Speaker 3: the more modern era, when those people start being like, yeah, no,

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Speaker 3: start asking. By the way, this was not requested by

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Speaker 3: in front of a House committee under oath. I mean, Ryan,

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Speaker 3: why don't you explain again for people who don't watch

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Speaker 3: like this means every Democrat on the committee gets five

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Speaker 3: It's not good. Whenever you're in power, that's right.

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Speaker 4: And if anybody thinks that, oh, well, maybe this is

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Speaker 4: just routine and it's a coincidence, you're not sending a

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Speaker 3: And mid terms all of Remember, all these people are

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Speaker 4: Well respected, a veteran Democrat, somebody that the party establishment,

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Speaker 4: to maintain some of that credibility because it's I don't Yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Don't know Marjorie's game.

437
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Speaker 3: I really have no idea. She's rich, she's got a fiance.

438
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Speaker 3: I think she's probably just going to live a good

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Speaker 3: life in Georgia and she'll keep posting through it. I'm

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Speaker 3: not really sure if she has any bigger ambitions. It'd

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Speaker 3: be interesting to see if she did. The important point

442
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Speaker 3: beyond it is to give look, this is kind of

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Speaker 3: the point of this block. There needs to be a

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Speaker 3: permission structure for people who are like, I'm not liberal,

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Speaker 3: but I'm really really upset.

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Speaker 1: You know about this?

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Speaker 3: That is the eight way I think for Margie Taylor

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Speaker 3: Green and for a few others.

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Speaker 1: You know that we're about to cover, and.

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Speaker 3: I think that's actually the most important part of watching

451
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Speaker 3: this is to see the fish like the fissures start

452
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Speaker 3: to break, and to also see some juxtapositioning and positioning

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Speaker 3: for where things may end up. Our producer Griffin thinks

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Speaker 3: that this is the most important one. So we're gonna

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Speaker 3: put this one up here on the screen.

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Speaker 1: E three. Uh.

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Speaker 3: And you know I've been thinking about I think he

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Speaker 3: might be right. Let's put E three Megan Kelly's tweet

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Speaker 3: up here. She says real Donald Trump should pull ICE

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Speaker 3: out of Minnesota and announce that there will be no

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Speaker 3: more immigration enforcement in Minnesota at all. All legals in

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Speaker 3: the US aren't curson move there. If any illegal is

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Speaker 3: found outside of Minnesota gets deported, they can never apply

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Speaker 3: for re entry. Moreover, every single asylum seeker should be

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Speaker 3: told no application we consider unless the person is living

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Speaker 3: in Minneapolis Saint Paul. So basically doing the equivalent of

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Speaker 3: Texas and all of them busting illegals to states. One

468
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Speaker 3: of the most brilliant political moves that the Republicans pulled

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Speaker 3: throughout the Biden years because it created immigration chaos across

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Speaker 3: the nation, and it made it a salient issue and

471
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Speaker 3: kind of spread and showed and highlighted what was going on.

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Speaker 3: This is the own This is the solution that I

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Speaker 3: see has the most likelihood of happening, because it's a

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Speaker 3: sneaky way of saying, Okay, we're done, we give up,

475
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Speaker 3: we clearly lost. Let's pivot to this type of situation,

476
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Speaker 3: and I've seen it now. Echoed by Katie Pavlich, another

477
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Speaker 3: conservative commentator, I really think that these these are sneaky

478
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Speaker 3: ways for them to try to declare victory, and this

479
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Speaker 3: is very Trumpian way to try and do it while

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Speaker 3: trying to accomplish your point of you know, drawing attention

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Speaker 3: to sanctuary city, while at the same time tacitly having

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Speaker 3: to admit this shit is not working and it's a disaster.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: This is the you can't fire me because I quit

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Speaker 4: move uh, And it's it's perfect because it's like, oh,

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Speaker 4: you want to be a hell hole. We're too good,

487
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 4: We're too good for you anyway, Like we were just

488
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Speaker 4: trying to help, but clearly you don't want our help,

489
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Speaker 4: and so you don't deserve our help. And so no,

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Speaker 4: we have open borders within the United States, So I

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Speaker 4: don't exactly know how they would enforce this policy, Like

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Speaker 4: you saise if you say you have to live in Minnesota,

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Speaker 4: like there's an open border between Minnesota and it's surrounding states.

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Speaker 4: You can just drive right across it. I don't have

495
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Speaker 4: anybody's ever driven around the United States we have open borders.

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Speaker 4: Drive from Maryland right into Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: No, yeah, no border. You could just border guards.

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Speaker 3: I could see that. I think Griffin is right. I

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Speaker 3: think that sneakily might be exactly the way. Other than

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Speaker 3: this entire thing ends up, let's move now to Tim Dillon.

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Speaker 3: People have complained that we play too many Tim Dillon cliffs,

502
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Speaker 3: but sorry, I mean, he's very entertaining, and of course

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Speaker 3: he is also a you know, he's a load star

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Speaker 3: if you will this demographic of you know, look, he's

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Speaker 3: a cultural kind of libertarian, anti DEI left.

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Speaker 1: And ridicule and all of that.

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Speaker 3: And I think what he also signifies, this is the

508
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Speaker 3: most important thing I've been thinking about. It was transgressive

509
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Speaker 3: to be pro Trump and or a right wing in

510
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four right the dominant culture was pro Biden

511
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Speaker 3: or pro komm Law. It was genuinely transgressive, especially in

512
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Speaker 3: the Internet, you know, to be like, no, I hate

513
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Speaker 3: the left for X, Y and Z reason. Now, I

514
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Speaker 3: think it's genuinely transgressive in a moment of you know,

515
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Speaker 3: federal governments trampling on Second Amendment rights and Ice and

516
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Speaker 3: all of this other stuff to actually just be a

517
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Speaker 3: like a left wing lib and so to watch, you know,

518
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Speaker 3: to be tit to see to Tim what I see.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying he's been calculating or anything like that.

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Speaker 3: What I see is very clear, clearly with the you know,

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Speaker 3: with these statements, which again is somebody who is fundamentally

522
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Speaker 3: you know, suspicious of like establishment and or bigger powers,

523
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Speaker 3: is looking and locking in on the Trump administration and

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Speaker 3: kind of using that for purposes not just for comedy,

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Speaker 3: but also for political rhetoric.

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Speaker 1: Here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 5: Everything is a scripted reality show. I criticize Ice, people

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Speaker 5: get mad at me. They're like, well, how do you

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Speaker 5: think people should be deported? Da?

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Speaker 1: Da da da.

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Speaker 5: Number One, you can pass legislation, which they haven't done.

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Speaker 5: All of the stuff they've done on immigration is through

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Speaker 5: executive orders, a lot of it it will be reversed

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Speaker 5: immediately by democratic president.

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Speaker 1: That's number one.

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Speaker 5: Number Two, if you pass legislation and then attach enforcement

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Speaker 5: to that, you pass laws.

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Speaker 1: You then have laws.

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Speaker 5: By which the country is governed that will prevent illegal immigration.

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Speaker 5: If you do a reality show spectacle where you're grabbing

541
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Speaker 5: people here and they are left and right, and it

542
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Speaker 5: revs everybody up, and you then have protests everywhere, and

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Speaker 5: you have violence, and you have ice responding to that

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Speaker 5: with deadly force, you don't have a long term solution.

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Speaker 5: What you do is you're stirring the pot and creating

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Speaker 5: like many civil wars all over the country that people

547
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Speaker 5: are watching on television. But you don't have like the

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Speaker 5: enforcement of laws. And you're not going after employers that

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Speaker 5: are employing illegal labor.

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Speaker 1: You're not going after Steve Wynn.

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Speaker 5: You're not going after the big hotel magnets that you

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Speaker 5: know employ illegal labor. You're not going after big agricultural

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Speaker 5: firms that do the same thing. Now agriculture has a

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Speaker 5: lot of illegal labor use in agriculture. Well, then the

555
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Speaker 5: food should be cheap, right, Well, no, the food's not cheap.

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Speaker 5: It's the most expensive it's ever been. Well what about

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Speaker 5: the houses, they're the most expensive if they've ever been.

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Speaker 1: Huh, what about.

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Speaker 5: Staying at hotels and eating out at restaurants? I mean,

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Speaker 5: all of this has come down, surely because of all

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Speaker 5: the illegal labor No, that's more expensive than it's ever been.

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Speaker 3: Right, right, Yeah, I mean I think that explicitly proves

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Speaker 3: the point he's talking about housing, how it's most expensive.

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Speaker 1: Everything is very expensive. It doesn't seem like things are

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Speaker 1: getting better.

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Speaker 3: He's talked about how Alex Jones warned for years in

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Speaker 3: the past about mass agents in the streets. He's like,

568
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Speaker 3: that's what's literally happening right now. I mean, you're watching

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Speaker 3: all of this all take place. And then in that

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Speaker 3: same context, they want to give a shout out to

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Speaker 3: my good friend Dave Smith. Let's put E four up

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Speaker 3: here on the screen again. Look, I think Dave was

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Speaker 3: a very influential, prominent person in the podcast discourse in

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Speaker 3: a lead up to the twenty twenty four elections subsequently

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Speaker 3: on foreign policy and more. And here's what he says, quote,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to be immigration restrictionists. I believe we have

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Speaker 3: the right to remove any and all people who enter

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Speaker 3: our country illegally. Also, ICE is out of fucking control.

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Speaker 3: A bunch of pussies drunk on going around intentionally escalating

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Speaker 3: violent interactions, intimidating US citizens.

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Speaker 1: They create these tragic situations.

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Speaker 3: And after this giganic show of force, they won't deport

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Speaker 3: a fraction of the illegals who entered under Biden. This

584
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Speaker 3: is simply not worth it. And I do think that

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Speaker 3: this sentiment is very common amongst a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: It includes me.

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Speaker 3: I think this sentiment is very very common again for

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Speaker 3: a lot of people who are deeply concerned, upset about

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Speaker 3: the chaos of the border under Biden. About look, and

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Speaker 3: do fundamentally have a very different view of immigration than others.

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Speaker 3: And while it may be true that some two hundred

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Speaker 3: and fifty thousand people have been deported, let's say and

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Speaker 3: look at it as a fraction of the tens of

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Speaker 3: millions of people who enter the country illegally under Biden

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Speaker 3: and or were present in the country. And then though,

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Speaker 3: you have to ask the question about not just the tactics,

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Speaker 3: but now the two subsequent deaths in Minnesota and then

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Speaker 3: this latest one, which is as egregious as it possibly gets,

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Speaker 3: And to say, yeah, no, no, this is not the

600
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Speaker 3: correct response. Is Tim lays out very clearly, and he's correct,

601
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Speaker 3: is that the biggest beneficiaries of illegal labor are big corporations,

602
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Speaker 3: hotel chains and all these other people find use the RRS,

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Speaker 3: you can find all of them two hundred and fifty thousand.

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Speaker 3: I can guarantee you if you start finding and arresting

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Speaker 3: people who employ illegal labor, you don't even need e verify.

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Speaker 1: It will be over tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: You could end remittance, you could end all remittances, put

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Speaker 3: one hundred percent tax on remittances let's say sent by

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Speaker 3: Wells Fargo. It would collapse the economy of Mexico overnight,

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Speaker 3: as well as a lot of these other Latin American countries,

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Speaker 3: and a lot of.

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Speaker 1: People would just leave.

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Speaker 3: All of that makes it so that you don't need

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Speaker 3: a singleized agent in the street if you did something

615
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Speaker 3: like Nope, can't do that, why because of big donor

616
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Speaker 3: So that is the egregious part of all of this.

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Speaker 3: Not only could it have been avoided, I think it's

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Speaker 3: politically set back the cause of immigration restriction for decades,

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Speaker 3: most likely as a result of this bullshit. But most importantly,

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Speaker 3: what you're all watching these canaries, Tim, Marjorie Taylor, Green, Dave,

621
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Speaker 3: all of these others who speak out on this, What

622
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Speaker 3: you should notice is not just that they're willing to

623
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Speaker 3: speak out, but that those are popular positions. Those are

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Speaker 3: people who are starting to you know, make independent voters,

625
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Speaker 3: others people who potentially may have voted for Trump. That

626
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Speaker 3: is fundamentally the demographic ryan that really helped Donald Trump

627
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Speaker 3: dominate the culture and win the White House in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Yeah and yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's why it's important to hear from

631
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Speaker 4: people like Tim Dillon and Dave Smith on these questions

632
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Speaker 4: because because of who they are, they're not their brains

633
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 4: have not been soaking in this like partisan soup, and

634
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:34,719
Speaker 4: so they're a true they care about issues like they like,

635
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 4: which is a crazy way for like people to think, Wait,

636
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Speaker 4: you can actually it's not about it. It's not a team sport.

637
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 4: You actually have an issue you care about and you

638
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 4: vote on that issue. And one of the issues for

639
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 4: these folks was the immigration restrict And what they're saying

640
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Speaker 4: is if you do it this way, you're not accomplishing

641
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Speaker 4: your own agenda. Now what I think there is an

642
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 4: opportunity for the Trump administration here to say, to declare

643
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 4: some form of victory because okay, let's say there's only

644
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Speaker 4: been two hundred and fifty thousand deeportations, I would suspect,

645
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Speaker 4: and we don't have the numbers yet, the number of

646
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Speaker 4: self deportations because of the fear that is like really

647
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Speaker 4: ripping through immigrant communities.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, is a lot.

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Speaker 4: If they if they then transition say Okay, you know,

650
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Speaker 4: we're going after violent criminals, and we're not going to

651
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Speaker 4: go through home depot parking lots and ask every brown

652
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Speaker 4: person that we see for their papers. We're going to

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Speaker 4: kind of passively investigate and look for violent criminals. When

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Speaker 4: we find them, we're going to deport them, and we're

655
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Speaker 4: going to make sure that border is secure within a

656
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Speaker 4: period of time, they would be back to probably having

657
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Speaker 4: a mandate again for that position. What they don't have

658
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Speaker 4: a mandate for is this like like whatever, whatever they're

659
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Speaker 4: doing is like violent crackdown on the American public and

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Speaker 4: killing you know, two American citizens within three weeks and

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Speaker 4: shooting three people within three weeks. And I think we're

662
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Speaker 4: at seven deaths in ice or cb DHS custody.

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Speaker 1: In January.

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Speaker 4: Alone, and the you know, the month isn't over yet.

665
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Speaker 4: Like that's that's more than the public is willing to bear.

666
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and look at a certain especially in the wake

667
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Speaker 3: of the shooting, like yeah, they shouldn't bear it, Like no,

668
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 3: you can't. And that's where public opinion and watching these

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Speaker 3: signifiers like again, like for not just influencers and others.

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Speaker 3: By the way, even Tim Poole, you know, who has been.

671
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Speaker 1: Very supportive of the administration. He was like, guys, I

672
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Speaker 1: don't think there's a good shoot. He says, what do

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Speaker 1: you say?

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Speaker 3: He was just like Trump ain't winning this one or

675
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Speaker 3: something like that, Like, yeah, obviously he's right, you know.

676
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Speaker 3: By the way, Tim, also somebody's very pro gun. You

677
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 3: can't remotely be somebody who's pro the Second Amendment. And

678
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Speaker 3: then look, not again, not just the shooting, but the government,

679
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Speaker 3: their narrative, the standards they're trying to be set, and

680
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 3: then you put all that stuff together and if you're like, look,

681
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 3: if this is what they're willing to do, then no, no, no, right,

682
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Speaker 3: then that's something that's going to be a real break

683
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Speaker 3: point I think for the culture in all this. But

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Speaker 3: you know, we'll see I could be wrong, but maybe

685
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 3: we'll be right back to Trump domination. I can only

686
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Speaker 3: speak for myself and to look at you know, people

687
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 3: like my friends Dave and just say wow, you know,

688
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 3: first of all, credits Dave, it's not exactly it's easy

689
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Speaker 3: to put that out on Twitter and inevitably get piled

690
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Speaker 3: on by some of the low IQ commentariat. But it is,

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Speaker 3: you know, courageous for him to be able to say

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Speaker 3: something like that, especially considering the positions he took before

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. And it's also again though, you know,

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Speaker 3: I think the fact that his popularity in the interim,

695
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Speaker 3: when he's been on our show and denounced Trump over

696
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Speaker 3: Iran and now this, these are important, important, important things. Okay,

697
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Speaker 3: let's get to China, all right. Last thing here that

698
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Speaker 3: I just had to get out here in the show again,

699
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Speaker 3: enormously consequential, huge shake up at the top of the CCP.

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Speaker 3: Let's put this up here on the screen from the

701
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Speaker 3: Wall Street Journal. China's top general accused of giving nuclear

702
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Speaker 3: secrets to the US. Bribery allegations have leveled against General Jean.

703
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 3: I'm not going to try and say it I apologize.

704
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Speaker 3: I'm just going to call it General Jeong, whose downfall

705
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 3: carries implications for the country's military readiness. I mean, this

706
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Speaker 3: is literally his senior most senior, most general, so the

707
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Speaker 3: equivalent of like kind of like the vice president or

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Speaker 3: the Joint chiefs of Staff, who is being accused by

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Speaker 3: Shehanpaning of selling nuclear weapons seecrets to the US, of

710
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Speaker 3: accepting bribes for official acts, for including the promotion of

711
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Speaker 3: an officer to defense minister. Is shock it shock it

712
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 3: because it is part of an ongoing kind of military

713
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Speaker 3: purge at the very top level by the CCP. Let's look,

714
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Speaker 3: there's a lot of various theories kind of behind all

715
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Speaker 3: of this. Why don't we start first with the coup rumors.

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Speaker 3: Let's put F four up here on the screen. No

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Speaker 3: one is taking seriously the idea that he actually leaked

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Speaker 3: nuclear secrets.

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Speaker 1: It was more that they're.

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Speaker 3: Willing to accuse him Ryan of leaking military secrets. So

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Speaker 3: here's here's what he says the best compilation of coup

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Speaker 3: rumors circulating Chinese diaspora. Again, these are rumors, not confirmed,

723
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Speaker 3: but there's no leaks that come out of China. And

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Speaker 3: as part of the difficulty of dealing with all this,

725
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Speaker 3: he says, democracy activists posts on social media revealing conversation

726
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Speaker 3: from inside the Great Firewall where they disclosed that they

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Speaker 3: had planned to move against Chishingping and capture him on

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Speaker 3: the evening of January eighteenth, Beijing time, when he was

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Speaker 3: set to stay at hotel in Beijing. Now for the

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Speaker 3: fast few years. Quote he has been homeless, changing locations

731
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Speaker 3: every few days. Details of the capture g operation, citing sources,

732
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Speaker 3: originally planned to strike on that evening. However, two hours

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Speaker 3: before the operation they were betrayed by an informant and

734
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Speaker 3: Chishingping immediately evacuated instead of an ambush or a counter capture,

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Speaker 3: and allegedly he's even claiming that there's some sort of gunfight.

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Speaker 3: Now this is again, this is something from beyond the firewall,

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Speaker 3: but it was elevated by some China like some China

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Speaker 3: watchers whom I respect. It would be absolutely right, exactly

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Speaker 3: literally like serious people who take.

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Speaker 4: But they weren't saying it's true. But it is a

741
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Speaker 4: it's a story that's being told.

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Speaker 3: It is a story is being told, you know, in

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Speaker 3: the act of a community and others. Our our other

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Speaker 3: friend Arnault Uppertron, who you contacted Ryan has shot that down.

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Speaker 3: I do want to make sure that we put his

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Speaker 3: up here on the screen if we can.

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Speaker 1: Yep, here we go. Yeah, I've got it available.

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Speaker 4: One he's saying. The idea that he actually sold or

749
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Speaker 4: gave nuclear secrets to the US, right, pretty preposterous because

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Speaker 4: in order to do that this general would have had

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Speaker 4: to vice chairman, the second most powerful person in China

752
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Speaker 4: would have to like somehow do it like and how

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Speaker 4: you do that under the mass surveillance. You know, you

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Speaker 4: have mass surveillance, but you also have very specific surveillance

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Speaker 4: of everybody who's at the very upper echelons, not just

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Speaker 4: for you know, controlling them, but looking for foreign, foreign

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Speaker 4: adversarial efforts to penetrate and surveil those officials. Like so

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Speaker 4: they are the idea that they'd be able to get

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Speaker 4: some burner phone and like get to the nuclear center

760
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Speaker 4: and like download the data and then somehow exfiltrated. It

761
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Speaker 4: is like like something out of like Adjacent Bourne, like

762
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Speaker 4: type of situation that isn't like remotely believable.

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Speaker 1: The idea that.

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Speaker 4: There was that chairman, she doesn't have a place to

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Speaker 4: stay in Beijing, Arna also argued, was kind of preposterous, right,

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Speaker 4: and so dismissed the coup rumors. All you can do

767
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Speaker 4: is say the fact that these announced, these investigations have

768
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Speaker 4: been announced bad news for the people being investigated. Very

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Speaker 4: rarely do you get these investigations announced and there's, oh,

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Speaker 4: we cleared them. What's going on here is that this

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Speaker 4: is some type of power struggle the uh for whatever

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Speaker 4: reason she is moving against the figures. There's appears to

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Speaker 4: be some corruption angle to it. She has made like

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Speaker 4: rooting out corruption kind of a centerpiece of his his

775
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Speaker 4: his attempt, you know, his his effort here, and so

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Speaker 4: twenty twelve, you know, twenty twelve on, he's going after

777
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 4: enormous amounts of corruption within the party and within you know,

778
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Speaker 4: the economy written large whether and you know these folks,

779
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 4: you know, have power bases that go back many many decades.

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Speaker 4: The vice chairman goes back to the you know, his

781
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 4: father was like a hero in the you know, the

782
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Speaker 4: People's Liberation Army, like the founding of it. That means

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Speaker 4: they have their networks, and if those networks have been

784
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Speaker 4: engaging in some sort of soft draft, either he found

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Speaker 4: that out or he didn't think he was cracking down enough,

786
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Speaker 4: or it's just a straight up power play as he's

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Speaker 4: you know, continuing to concentrate power and put loyalists underneath it.

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Speaker 4: So that's that's our over trends, right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, both both perspectives are very important, and

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Speaker 3: I think his main point of but we have no

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Speaker 3: idea is potentially the most important. I think though what

792
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Speaker 3: we do know is extraordinary enough to remove the top

793
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 3: general is just is crazy. I mean again, like you,

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Speaker 3: I can't even think of an American parallel of just

795
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Speaker 3: coming in and arresting the chairman of the Joint chiefs.

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Speaker 3: Arnault even noted that the language that they used in

797
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Speaker 3: the arrest or in the charging statement was that he

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Speaker 3: trampled on like the trampled on like directives from the chairman,

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Speaker 3: which he was saying, is just like, I mean, it's

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Speaker 3: very very extraordinary language, more than they've used in even

801
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 3: other prior corruption investigations and departures. We have multiple members

802
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 3: now of this military committee over the last few years

803
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 3: who have now been purged and or are either in

804
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Speaker 3: jail or been removed. By the way, my favorite Wall

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00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 3: Street Journal euphemism is could not be reached for comment

806
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 3: when talking about people who have been purged, I'm like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one way of putting it. Certainly true.

808
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 3: We have no idea, you know, whether it could be

809
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 3: in prison, could be dead, exactly what it all looks like.

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00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,919
Speaker 3: But let's all keep an eye on it. The world

811
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 3: is still very unstable. Who knows this could have implications

812
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 3: for Taiwan, right, this could have implications internally who we

813
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 3: have no whether it was a coup or not. I

814
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 3: tend to lean against coup just because it doesn't even

815
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Speaker 3: seem possible at this point within the Chinese.

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Speaker 4: Cyst like, that's not how the system.

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Speaker 3: She is so overwhelmingly powerful, Like the time for a

818
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 3: coup would have been years ago, wouldn't be now when

819
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Speaker 3: he has an iron cloud control over not just the

820
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Speaker 3: country but over the CCP. Obviously, though it could be

821
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Speaker 3: totally wrong. There could be competing power centers, and there

822
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 3: always have been within their power structure. But look, this

823
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Speaker 3: is a nuclear armed, potential almost superpower here in age,

824
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Speaker 3: undeniably the great power that even remotely rivals the United States.

825
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 3: And so it's not just political turmoil. What ends up

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Speaker 3: happening as a result of this, and what the potential

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Speaker 3: implications behind it might be for their military, for their posture,

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Speaker 3: for how and what.

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Speaker 1: They're thinking about.

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Speaker 3: I tend not to think it is a accident accusing

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Speaker 3: him of nuclear secrets, which could mean that they could

832
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Speaker 3: lead to some change of their nuclear posture, right, or

833
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 3: some sort of command and control change over that. So

834
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Speaker 3: because they say that it's been compromised by the US.

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Speaker 3: All of that very very significant, so we need to

836
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Speaker 3: pay attention to all of us. Just want to make

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Speaker 3: sure that we mentioned it because it could have major,

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Speaker 3: major implications. Yes, Ryan, thank you so much for today,

839
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Speaker 3: for big here with me. Man value more than ever,

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Speaker 3: especially in such an insane time. Value the show, crystal Emily,

841
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 3: the ability for all of us to work together, and

842
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Speaker 3: thank you to the audience for everybody.

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Speaker 1: We're probably going to be remote tomorrow, guys. I was

844
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Speaker 1: just looking.

845
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 3: I don't even think my roads or any of that

846
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 3: are going to get plowed. We're not yet high on

847
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 3: the priority list, so very likely another remote show. Also,

848
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Speaker 3: we have a crew. We have to worry about their

849
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 3: safety and all of that as well. So we'll see

850
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Speaker 3: you all tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: You know, hard for them to get into see something

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Speaker 4: one way or another. We'll see you