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Speaker 1: Lights out and away we Hey, welcome to NOE Breaks,

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Speaker 1: a Formula one podcast from the Note Dunks, Inc. Classic

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Speaker 1: the ride. I'm your host today, Trey Kirby. We got

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Speaker 1: JD tuning things up in the paddock, and of course

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Speaker 1: we're joined by our local F one expert and Drake's ghostwriter,

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Speaker 1: Great and Gordian Graydon.

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Speaker 2: What's up, dude, what's going on?

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Speaker 3: Guys? Great to be back. I am very excited that

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Speaker 3: we are here for episode two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. I'm very excited as well. And I

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Speaker 1: noticed today that I randomly chose my Graden Gordian coffee

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Speaker 1: bug someone to say that this is from your wedding

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Speaker 1: when you got married to a person whose name starts

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Speaker 1: with tea. But I think this is when the podcast

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Speaker 1: was first born. Graydon and Tray September twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 2: I hadn't got watched an.

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Speaker 1: F one race, but you could tell it was coming

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Speaker 1: along soon enough. But I'm with you, Graydon. I didn't

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Speaker 1: the people demanded more no breaks hit. The DRS fast

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Speaker 1: tracked the episode because a lot has happened since we

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Speaker 1: did our last podcast about a month ago. Not only

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Speaker 1: do we have a triple header of racing, we also

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Speaker 1: went through F one's silly season. We learned about some

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Speaker 1: big names you're going to be moving from team to team,

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Speaker 1: even got some new Netflix Formula one content. It's been

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Speaker 1: a busy couple of weeks. We'll get to that stuff

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Speaker 1: in a bit, because the biggest story this past.

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Speaker 2: Week, no doubt, was what went down in Monza.

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Speaker 1: So let's tackle the racing tripleheader in reverse chronological order.

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Speaker 1: Who are these guys? We're starting with the Italian Grand

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Speaker 1: Prix for the second straight year at Monza, a wild

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Speaker 1: podium your winner for the first time since twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 1: Daniel Ricardo. Joining him in second is his McLaren teammate

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Speaker 1: Lando Lando Norris a McLaren one two. Right there in

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Speaker 1: third place, Valcheri Botas from Mercedes.

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Speaker 2: Lots of drama in Monza.

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Speaker 1: Great, and we'll get to McLaren in a second, but

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Speaker 1: we gotta start with the crash between championship rivals Max

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Speaker 1: Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton. I don't know if you're watching

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Speaker 1: this podcast, if you're listening to this podcast, surely you

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Speaker 1: saw it. It kind of started to me. On lap

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Speaker 1: Next lap, for Stappen does the same, only he's held

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Speaker 1: Hamilton pits thereafter. He's held up for four seconds. It

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Speaker 1: you're used to gett ounta in two. When Hamilton comes

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Speaker 1: out of pitt Lane, he's basically wheel to wheel with

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Speaker 1: verstappenin They touch a little bit through turn one, then

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Speaker 1: they really touch through turn two. Verse Stepan hits a

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Speaker 2: At one point you could see Hamilton trying to duck the.

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Speaker 1: Wheel of this pretty crazy stuff, just another controversial incident

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Speaker 1: between the two title leaders. Graydon got to hear your

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Speaker 3: They I actually am gonna say that the FIA and

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Speaker 3: and I think that's fair. It bordered on a racing incident.

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Speaker 3: God Hamilton walked away. I think the real hero, the

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The only thing I like about the sausage curb

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Speaker 1: is Jerry here mentioned Trey Sausage Curby is a great nickname,

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Speaker 1: but it does seem like it's bad for racing because

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Speaker 1: even in this incident with Verstappin, when him and Hamilton

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Speaker 1: I think the halo has only been around for a

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Speaker 1: It was pretty controversial when it came into existence. Enough, one,

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Speaker 1: Like that was crazy seeing Max's car just stop on

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Speaker 1: And you're like, oh, they probably should have had this

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Speaker 2: And I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: This was certainly the hero of the day.

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Speaker 1: Look, if you've got n F one car sitting on

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Speaker 1: You mentioned the penalty Verstappen a three place grid penalty

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Speaker 3: Racing, you know it. The fact that Lewis came back

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Speaker 1: So you think that Verstappen probably deserved a harsher penalty,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's I think that's right. What I

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Speaker 3: But I but I would say that absolutely. I think

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Speaker 3: I don't think that that is how he imagined it ending.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you, all sudden done neither verse Staffen

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Speaker 3: with you know, my boy Charlie, Charlie Leclair coming home

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Speaker 3: and forth. I thought that was nice. And other than that,

435
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Speaker 3: you know, I thought it was I agree with you,

436
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Speaker 3: great race, super fun, you know, you know, has me

437
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Speaker 3: excited for for what's coming up next.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, next couple should be a little bit quicker. Let's

439
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Speaker 1: head to the Netherlands for the first Dutch Ground Prix

440
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Speaker 1: since nineteen eighty five. On the podium, Max Verstapfan wins

441
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Speaker 1: his home race, which at the time put him into

442
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Speaker 1: the lead for the drivers championship, which he still holds.

443
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Speaker 1: He was joined by Lewis Hamilton in second and Valtrie

444
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Speaker 1: Botos in third. It had been a while since there

445
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 1: had been a Grand Prix in the Netherlands. What'd you

446
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 1: think of circuits on fort.

447
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Speaker 3: It's it's fun. I think my wife was kind of

448
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 3: hating on the landscaping of it. She thought they could

449
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 3: it could be jazzed up a little bit, But beyond that,

450
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Speaker 3: I think the course is fun. Some of the you know,

451
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 3: some of the turns are really unique in the F

452
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 3: one calendar, stuff you don't see anywhere else. And at

453
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Speaker 3: the end of the day, this l this for me

454
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Speaker 3: is all about Max winning his home Grand Prix. The

455
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Speaker 3: crowd there was electric. They had been waiting years for

456
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Speaker 3: this return. The Dutch love Max as much as any

457
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 3: fan base loves a driver in F one, so for

458
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Speaker 3: him to get a win there, for the crowd to

459
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Speaker 3: be going so nuts, I'm sure that that was a

460
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 3: live experience kind of unlike, you know, unlike a race

461
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Speaker 3: anywhere else in the world. So that's just it's just fun.

462
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Speaker 3: I'm sure that people there had a blast. What a

463
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,239
Speaker 3: cool thing for Max to be able to bring that

464
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Speaker 3: home for all those fans in attendance.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Laurens nailed it in the Slipstream team.

466
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Speaker 1: The best thing about Zandbort were the fans one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: I think it was as they were doing the formation,

468
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Speaker 1: lap Kraft said something like the fans have been asked

469
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Speaker 1: not to light off their flares before the end of

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Speaker 1: the race, and you can see like ten flares were

471
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Speaker 1: already going off and they're like, these things are acrid.

472
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Speaker 1: I thought that was hilarious. All the orange was great

473
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Speaker 1: and as Laurence mentioned, a cool banking corner, no doubt,

474
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Speaker 1: but turned into a little bit of a processional and

475
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Speaker 1: like you're saying, or like tarn is saying, I was

476
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Speaker 1: underwhelmed by the foliage. Not quite as lush as I

477
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Speaker 1: was hoping for. A beach side track.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, although admittedly probably fun to go. She Taran did

479
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 3: River's course and say it would be kind of cool

480
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 3: to go to the beach and then go immediate and

481
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Speaker 3: then walk to a race. You know, it could be

482
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Speaker 3: a fun weekend, little weekend get away.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about that. This one, though as a race,

484
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Speaker 1: felt like it was over pretty quickly. Verstapan had a

485
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Speaker 1: one point seven second lead after the first lap. It

486
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Speaker 1: was up to two point three seconds after lap two,

487
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Speaker 1: and Mercedes and Hamilton at that point were just scrambling.

488
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Speaker 1: They switched to a two stop strategy pretty quickly, and

489
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Speaker 1: then almost as soon as they did, Hamilton was like,

490
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Speaker 1: we came in too early, you know. Red Bull seemed

491
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Speaker 1: like had the answer every single time, and a lot

492
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Speaker 1: of the time it was, oh, Lewis is coming better,

493
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Speaker 1: Push a little harder, and then Max would just stretch

494
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Speaker 1: it out and then he got to celebrate at home.

495
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Speaker 1: It was really cool. I got to bond with my

496
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Speaker 1: sister because she's a big royal family watcher. And the

497
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 1: King of the Netherlands was there. This guy's like, he's

498
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 1: like the chillest bro of all the royalties over there

499
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Speaker 1: in Europe. I guess he like flies commercial jets or

500
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: something like that, but never tells anybody it's him. Only

501
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: they can recognize his voice because he's the King or

502
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: something like that. Nonetheless, a fair race. A couple other

503
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Speaker 1: fun things from this moment. From this one, the best

504
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Speaker 1: moment of racing on the weekend to me was in

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Speaker 1: qualifying and Q three Max had provisional poll. Hamilton takes

506
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Speaker 1: point oh three eight seconds off his best time, ties

507
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Speaker 1: Max for P one and then Max takes another point

508
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,719
Speaker 1: three eight off his time to take pole. That was like,

509
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: you know, the Derek Jeter tip your cap respects to me,

510
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, you got to show up in

511
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Speaker 1: the big time and he did. And also quick shout

512
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Speaker 1: out to Pierre Ghastly. He finished P four and qualifying

513
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Speaker 1: P four on race day ahead of both McLaren's and

514
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Speaker 1: both Ferraris and crucially Graydon ahead of Red Bulls. Sergio Parretz.

515
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Speaker 1: Now Ghastly used to have the second seat for Red Bull.

516
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Speaker 1: He went to Alpha Taui last year, and but he

517
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Speaker 1: wants to be in that Red Bull second seat. Do

518
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Speaker 1: you think he deserves that second seat over Sergio Perez?

519
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: Guess he's been awesome since he went back down to

520
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: Red Bulls junior team.

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Speaker 3: Gosh, it's a great question and part of me I

522
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 3: does he want it? Of course he wants it because

523
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 3: everybody wants to be in a seat where they're genuinely

524
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 3: vying for a title, which I'm sure Ghazy would think

525
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 3: he would if he were among the top two teams,

526
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Speaker 3: but part of me almost doesn't want it for him.

527
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 3: The difficulty of driving the Red Bull car, the political

528
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 3: complexities of that organization. He doesn't have to worry about

529
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 3: any of that. He is He is absolutely driving at

530
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 3: Alfatari on the limit he is getting. He's squeezing the

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Speaker 3: most points out of it possible. He's becoming kind of

532
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 3: the darling of the midfield as he does it. I

533
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 3: just love watching him succeed, and of course has he

534
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 3: earned another shot at a top team. Inarguably he's proving

535
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 3: himself to be a truly talented driver and arguably a

536
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 3: driver that could win a world title if he was

537
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 3: given the opportunity. But I'm also loving seeing him flourish

538
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 3: versus you know that half a season that he spent

539
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 3: at Red Bull, which was kind of torturous and awful

540
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 3: to watch as he floundered around and failed next to Max.

541
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Speaker 3: So there's I go both ways on it.

542
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Speaker 1: How do you feel about Perez in the second seat

543
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: this year? Do you think this has been a successful

544
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 1: year for him? I mean, Verstappan is in the lead,

545
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: you know, Red Bull is right there with Mercedes in

546
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,479
Speaker 1: the Constructors Championship, and I think that those are I mean,

547
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: obviously they want to win Constructors, but more so they

548
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 1: want Max to win and he needed a reliable second driver.

549
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: Perez has been very up and down. I feel like

550
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 1: he's better on Sundays, Like he's definitely a great race driver,

551
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 1: and he's had trouble qualifying, but is he is he

552
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 1: the better choice there in the second seat? Is he?

553
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: I thought he was going to be, like, you know,

554
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: challenging for fourth. I thought he was going to maybe

555
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: get his way into the title picture just because he

556
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: seems to do well on Sundays, and it's been a

557
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: little bit underwhelming.

558
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 3: I think I think Perez has absolutely been underwhelming. I

559
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 3: understand it's tough to drive a new car and that's

560
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 3: always going to be a challenge to come in and

561
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 3: get accustomed to it. But I also think that Perez

562
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 3: is is too high risk of a driver. You know,

563
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 3: he finds himself taking it when in actuality, what red

564
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 3: Bull needs is a guy who brings it across the

565
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 3: finish line, you know, in the top five reliably. I

566
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 3: think if you if red Bull ends up winning the

567
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 3: driver's title but not the Constructor's title, you have to

568
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 3: put some of that blame on Perez and his risk

569
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 3: tolerance throughout the season and his aggressive style of driving

570
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 3: and sometimes sloppy choices he makes, like you know, his

571
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 3: clearly illegal overtake of Leclaire at Manza and then his

572
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 3: unwillingness to give the place back. He would have had

573
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 3: plenty of time to retake Charles and then actually finish

574
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 3: in fourth had he done that, But the mere fact

575
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:38,959
Speaker 3: that he didn't cause him to get a time penalty

576
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 3: and finish even further down the grid. I think that

577
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 3: that these sorts of mistakes are you know, I think

578
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 3: that they may end up costing Red Bull the world title.

579
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Speaker 3: And it is a good question would Gasly be doing

580
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 3: a better job at this point? Certainly you could make

581
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 3: that argument.

582
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Speaker 1: Well, the Dutch Brown Prix wasn't the most exciting, but

583
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Speaker 1: at least it was a race, which is more than

584
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: we can say for the Belgian Grand Prix. Everybody was

585
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: excited for Spa. We couldn't stop talking it up, Graydon.

586
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: Everybody was even looking forward to a little rain, except

587
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: for Nikita Mazapin. I'll say that he's like, I want

588
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: it to be dry, which that guy definitely wants it

589
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: to be dry because it can't stop spinning. But every

590
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: other driver was like, oh, hopefully we get a little

591
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: bit of rain, not this much rain. Thanks to an

592
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: ongoing downpour. We got the shortest race in Formula one history.

593
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: One official lap Graydon another two behind safety cars, but

594
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Speaker 1: one lap is what goes down in the record books.

595
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: Literally zero racing on Sunday, but it's still counted. Max

596
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: Verstappan got the win, George Russell came in second after

597
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: an awesome day at qualifying, and Lewis Hamilton finished third.

598
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: Top ten only got half points for the race, so

599
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: we've got point fives everywhere. It looks ridiculous, Graden, what

600
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: happened at SPA.

601
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's my favorite race of the year, so

602
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 3: and I said that out loud on this podcast. So

603
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 3: I blame myself for Jack. Yes, it's I mean, I

604
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 3: had never seen anything like it, and I ridiculously watched

605
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 3: all four, you know, plus hours of this prodcast and

606
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 3: I never seen anything quite like it. I'm throw over Russell.

607
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 3: I mean, the guy I cannot believe he put it

608
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 3: in P two to start the race. That was incredible.

609
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 3: That was one of the great qualifying drives I've ever

610
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 3: seen in all of my time watching F one, I've

611
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 3: never seen a guy in a car that just doesn't

612
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 3: compete with those at the very top of the grid

613
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 3: pull off something like that in qualifying, which tends to

614
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,479
Speaker 3: equalize against the car as much as the driver. And

615
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 3: then but on the race itself, For me, the big

616
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 3: question is, and I'd love to know what you think

617
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 3: about this tray, is should we have given half points?

618
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 3: Should people have been awarded championship points for having had

619
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Speaker 3: no competitive racing on Sunday? Some people are saying yes,

620
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 3: because qualifying itself as part of the competitive you know,

621
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 3: part of the competitive weekends. People were saying no, I

622
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 3: don't know how I feel about it, if I'm being

623
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 3: quite honest.

624
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: You know, well, I know it's half points, so it

625
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: doesn't technically count as much as any of the other races,

626
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: but you know, everybody's points are getting adjusted, so it

627
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: kind of does. It just didn't make sense to me

628
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: that they couldn't just be like, all right, it's been

629
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Speaker 1: raining all day, let's do it Monday. I know it's

630
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: all because of travel and that kind of thing, but

631
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: maybe that means you can't build in a triple header,

632
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: which makes it impossible, especially when you're going to one

633
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: of the most famous tracks, one of the most blooded

634
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: tracks on the schedule. It was just very strange to

635
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: me to be spending four hours watching these crazy rain

636
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: plumes come up and then at the end they gave

637
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: points away. I couldn't believe that that. It would be

638
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: like if they played three minutes of an NBA game

639
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: then the floor got let and then they're like, yeah,

640
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: but we're still going to count it. You know, Like

641
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the schedule, there is another slot that's

642
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: open for this. They could have easily, I mean not easily,

643
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: but they theoretically could have moved the Belgian Grand Prix

644
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: to one of these open weekends or something like that.

645
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: It was just a it's very strange to see a

646
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: race basically called off and still haven't count just as

647
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: much as usual. I don't know, I don't know. I

648
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: don't like seeing the half points there. That's the thing

649
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: that's really throwing me off.

650
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 3: It's unprecedented to be honest, and to be honest, the

651
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 3: fact that the curs I don't think we need to

652
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 3: make too many rules. I've heard a lot of people

653
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 3: call it for rule changes or to rethink the half points.

654
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 3: The one thing I will say is this clearly happened

655
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 3: so infrequently, so I think the scale I don't know

656
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 3: that we need to go adjusting a bunch of rules

657
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 3: to account for such an edge case scenario. That being said,

658
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 3: clearly it's a little awkward, and I don't think anybody's

659
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 3: thrilled with the outcome, least of all the organizers of

660
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 3: the race of the FIA. But you know, it is

661
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 3: what it is, Yeah.

662
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: And Williams was certainly loving it. They celebrated George Russell's

663
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: P two like it was any other race, which they

664
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: should have because they crushed it. And qualifying, like you're saying,

665
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: they just had the perfect timing and the perfect tires

666
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: every single time they went out. But we also did

667
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: have a scary crash in qualifying. Lando Norris went aqua

668
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: planing also known as hydro planing here in the United States.

669
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: At Orouge had a big spinning accident at Radion came

670
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: basically less than a minute, I would say, after we

671
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: heard Sebastian Vettel on the radio saying we shouldn't be driving.

672
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: There's too much standing water on the course. He was

673
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: right behind Lando Norris. Kind of a cool moment to

674
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: see him stopping and making sure that Lando was okay,

675
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: which he was. But we talked about how famous these

676
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: corners are on the last podcast, and then I saw

677
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff in our group chat, and I

678
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: saw a lot of stuff post race saying do they

679
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: need to change these corners? Are the cars too big

680
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: and fast right now to be able to handle this

681
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 1: kind of downhill stuff?

682
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a good question, I think at this

683
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 3: point o Rouge and ready on while you know, two

684
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 3: of the iconic corners in the F one calendar, you

685
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 3: have to ask yourself if a blind corner that you're

686
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 3: taking at that speed is sceptible, you know, and is

687
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,439
Speaker 3: something that we should you know, continue to have here,

688
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 3: you know. So I think I think it's something where,

689
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 3: you know, what sort of what sort of adjustments could

690
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 3: we make, you know. I'm not sure whether it's about

691
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 3: extending the expending the gravel trap on the far side,

692
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 3: or whether it's about you know, changing the angle of

693
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 3: the corner. And there's been a lot of talk about

694
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 3: how there is a service road just beyond the fence,

695
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 3: so that's why you can't move the corner in some

696
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 3: basic sense, that's ridiculous. I get it's a road, but

697
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 3: you can move roads too. You're talking about moving a

698
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 3: track or changing things. That, to me is is kind

699
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 3: of a lame excuse if what we're really talking about

700
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 3: is driver safety. I think at this point, at the

701
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 3: very least, what it is is we've seen enough incidence

702
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 3: there that we need to you know, we've seen that

703
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 3: of incidents that we need to say, Okay, this deserves

704
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 3: a serious this is sort of serious attention. How do

705
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 3: we make sure that this is a a safe corner.

706
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 3: The truth is is what happened with Norris is nothing

707
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 3: compared to the tragedy that happened with Antoine Bear just

708
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago where he lost his life.

709
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 3: Or if you happen to see the crash from the

710
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 3: W series where there was a pile up with a

711
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 3: number of the women drivers that was luckily all of

712
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 3: those women were okay. That was a very scary incident.

713
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 3: So inarguably this is something that's going to need addressing,

714
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 3: I think in the near future.

715
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was pretty crazy watching it that

716
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: Brundle basically called the spinout before it even happened.

717
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 2: He just happened to.

718
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: Notice Norris coming down on the wrong line and that

719
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: he didn't come back out from the trees basically the

720
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 1: right way. I was like, wow, that's a You really

721
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: got to know your courses to know if somebody is

722
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: having that tiny bit of a mistake that's going to

723
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,919
Speaker 1: cost you. So all in all, decent Triple Header would

724
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: have been better if SPA wasn't such a dud. But

725
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:47,959
Speaker 1: we're still going to give out some awards here. Grad

726
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: and F one gives out Driver of the Day for

727
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: all of their races. I've noticed, though, if you win

728
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: the race, it's basically impossible to get driver of the day.

729
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: That's one of the weirdest things of it to me.

730
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 1: It's like that seems to be the be the guy

731
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: that I would vote for. Nonetheless, we're gonna give out

732
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: our Driver of the Triple Header here on no breaks.

733
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: We've watched three of these races, two and a half,

734
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: if you will, Graydon, who were your top three from

735
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: these past three races?

736
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 3: Okay, top three from across that Okay, So for me,

737
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 3: I think that at number three, I I'm gonna go

738
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 3: with despite the DNF. I am gonna go with Pierre Gasley.

739
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 3: The DNF was not his fault in in Manza, and

740
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 3: I think that he is. I think that he drove

741
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 3: great you know before, and he also had a you know,

742
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 3: a really strong qualifying in Belgium. I think he's done

743
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,919
Speaker 3: really well. Number two. I'm gonna go with Danny Rick,

744
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 3: you know who obviously I think deserves big time praise

745
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 3: for what he did at Monza and despite having a

746
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 3: week Dutch Grand Prix, I mean in eleventh you know, again,

747
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 3: also had actually you know, had done pretty well in

748
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 3: Belgium himself, you know, put it in P four on

749
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 3: that day, so as was starting to show flashes of

750
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 3: what would come. And then for number one from the

751
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 3: restart it feels a lame, but to be honest, I

752
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 3: think for me it's got any max bringing home you know,

753
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 3: P one points from two of the three races, even

754
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 3: though he didn't finish in Monza and it was only

755
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 3: half points in Belgium. You know, I think, you know,

756
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 3: the way he's performed in qualifying, you know, winning two

757
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 3: out of the three, he's the guy who's who's performing

758
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 3: best suit these first year not bad.

759
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: I also got Max at number one. He had he

760
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: was on pole position for all of these, you know,

761
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: after the Botas stuff happened with the qualifying, he won

762
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: his home race, took the championship lead. Tough to argue

763
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: with that. I got Botas though at number two here

764
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: two p threes, including winning the sprint race, then battling

765
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: back after he had his power unit penalty. He had

766
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: a hilarious reaction to Max and Lewis's crash, and I

767
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: just think it's been kind of impressive how well he's

768
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: been performing. After all the news about George Russell and

769
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 1: Alfa Romeo and everything, came out to see Botos basically

770
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: have his best two or three races of the season

771
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: so far. And then my number three you mentioned him earlier,

772
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: Charlie Leclair three points finishes, and he outdrove Carlos Signs

773
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: in every single one of these so far. We had

774
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: him as one of We had signs over Leclair as

775
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: one of our biggest surprises during our first podcast. So

776
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: I was impressed by what Leclair's done in Ferrari during

777
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: these past three races here.

778
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that makes sense. I think we even

779
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 3: I think we said at the time, if Leclair could

780
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 3: just cut out these DNFs and start bringing it across

781
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 3: the finish line. We'd probably see him start to merger

782
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 3: with signs he's done that. Yeah, he's doing a great job.

783
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 3: He's a great driver.

784
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: All right, that's our drivers of the Triple Header. Let

785
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: us know in the YouTube comments or on Twitter who

786
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: you got for the drivers of the Triple Header these

787
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,919
Speaker 1: past three races. We're going to take a pit stop

788
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: real quick, get some fresh tires, and talk silly season

789
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: after the break. NBA free agency probably the wildest of

790
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: any in the four major North American sports. Perhaps I'm biased,

791
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: but a lot of big names change teams every season.

792
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: Graydon nonetheless doesn't hold a candle to Formula ones silly season,

793
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: which is basically free agency for next season during the

794
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 1: current season. I got two quick questions before we get

795
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: into what happened. Number one, how did everybody agree to

796
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 1: call it silly season?

797
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 3: Oh, I have totally ridiculous.

798
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: That's a good day, but a good day, Yeah, exactly.

799
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 1: Mike Baseball has the hot Stove, which is a pretty

800
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: cool name as well, but silly season totally ridiculous. My

801
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: other question, a very obvious one, why does this happen

802
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 1: during the season.

803
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 3: I think it's because of the amount of development that

804
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 3: goes in in the offseason. The truth is is that

805
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 3: these teams, in these organizations and a lot of these

806
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 3: drivers don't have much of a break the moment it ends.

807
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,720
Speaker 3: You know, they're already working on their twenty twenty two cars.

808
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 3: Some teams like has basically never started working on their

809
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one car, you know. So I think knowing

810
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 3: who their drivers are going to be, being able to

811
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 3: get them integrated into the organization and to be thinking

812
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 3: critically about their driving style and how they're going to

813
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 3: work with the car is something they have to start

814
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 3: very early. So it's it's it's that sort of complexity

815
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 3: as far as car development goes, means that they've got

816
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 3: to make these decisions ahead of time. I also think

817
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 3: it just goes back to a sort of culture of

818
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 3: driving in the way contracts have worked in motorsports for decades.

819
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 3: That is just very different culturally than the way that

820
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 3: we approach sports contracts in the United States.

821
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean that's clearly obvious when we talk

822
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: about some of these things like you know, being able

823
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 1: to pay for a driver to race for another team

824
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: like that would never happen in the NBA, but you

825
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: know it's a common sort of thing as well in

826
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: soccer with loan programs and that kind of thing. So

827
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: you know, when a play or when a driver switches teams,

828
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: Like we're going to talk about Botas here, is he

829
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: already going to be working with Alfa Romeo on their

830
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: car for next season?

831
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 3: My understanding is no, not really, because there is a

832
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 3: lot of proprietary and kind of inside information at stake

833
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 3: across the organization, so they have to be a little

834
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 3: bit guarded about, you know, showing things, you know, uh,

835
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 3: two different two different teams. So I my understanding is

836
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 3: not that he'll basically be There'll be a bit of

837
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 3: a Chinese wall in between him and Alfa Romeo until

838
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 3: the season is over. That being said, is Alfa Romeo

839
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 3: thinking critically about Valerie Botas, Yes, they are. I think

840
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 3: they're thinking about his driving style, how he attacks corners,

841
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 3: how he does or doesn't manage hires, a bunch of

842
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 3: other subtle factors, and that that'll be things that they

843
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 3: probably start to build into the vehicle because it looks

844
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 3: like Valcherie is gonna be the lead driver there, and

845
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 3: they're gonna want to orient the car around his style.

846
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 3: So I think that that doubt he won't be that participatory,

847
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 3: but they'll be thinking a lot about him.

848
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: That makes sense. Well, let's get into it. There are

849
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 1: basically four major headlines to come out of twenty twenty

850
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: one silly season, and they all work together in a

851
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: roundabout way. So I'm stealing a bit from this basketball

852
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: podcast I love called No Dunks. It's really good. You

853
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: should check it out. I'll give you a headline, Graydon

854
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: and you tell me is this news? First headline comes

855
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: from SkySports dot com. Kimi Reichenan announces Formula one retirement

856
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 1: at end of twenty twenty one season, saying it's time

857
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: for new things.

858
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 2: Graton, Is this news?

859
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 3: I would say this is not news. Oh, we've been

860
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 3: expecting this for a while. It's not news to me.

861
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 3: I mean, I feel as if it's we weren't positive

862
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 3: there's gonna be this season, but it looked as if

863
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 3: he was done. Jimmy's probably. I don't know whether it's

864
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 3: a worse season points wise than last year off the

865
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 3: top of my head, but I will say just his form,

866
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 3: his driving form is clearly slipping. He's not having as

867
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 3: much fun as he used to have. If you can

868
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 3: ever really say the Kimmy's out there having a ton

869
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 3: of fun, but it's he Yeah. To me, it seemed

870
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 3: it's it seems almost inevitable that this would be his

871
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 3: last year. And everyone we.

872
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: Didn't get to reckon on our NBA comparisons last time.

873
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 1: I missed his prime, no doubt about it. What's special

874
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: about Kimmi Reagman, Oh gosh.

875
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 3: I mean he he he was. He was an incredible

876
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 3: driver back in the day, and a guy who I

877
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 3: think it was just hilarious. I think the way that

878
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 3: these guys are so self serious and so locked in

879
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 3: and you know, take such good care of their bodies

880
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 3: and and kind of are in the zone all season long.

881
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 4: Kimmy didn't care about any of that. Kimmy would like

882
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 4: Kimmy would finish a race, go on a six day bender,

883
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,479
Speaker 4: show up to the next race completely hungover, and then win.

884
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 4: You know, he was he was having a great time.

885
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 4: He loved racing, he was loving life. He loved traveling

886
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 4: around with his buddies around Europe, you know, race and

887
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 4: fast cars and just kind of given the media one

888
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 4: word answers and being truly himself no matter who he

889
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 4: was around. He was so much fun for that reason,

890
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 4: even though he's kind of not an electrifying personality in

891
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 4: some basic sense, in.

892
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 3: Another sense, he's completely hilarious and great. So I just

893
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 3: think he's been such a joy to have in the sport.

894
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 3: He will be missed. There's a reason he's a fan

895
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 3: favorite and always has been. It's partly because of his

896
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 3: driving style. It's partly because of his kurt and quirky

897
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 3: style off the track, you know, but I'll certainly miss him.

898
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 3: I'll tell you that.

899
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: What are the odds we ever get him on a broadcast,

900
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: a Formula one broadcast? Zero percent?

901
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with zero.

902
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: Yeah. Nice.

903
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 3: If you ever listen to Tom Clarkson's Beyond the Grid,

904
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 3: it's an f W long form F one podcast, It's

905
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 3: terrific where he interviews drivers and the team principles and

906
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 3: things like that, and the Kimi one is hilarious. It's

907
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 3: the shortest of them by by several minutes. His stories

908
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 3: about his life are much more abbreviated than anybody else's.

909
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 3: He clearly just does not have that much interest in talking, period,

910
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 3: so that.

911
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: Is a great podcast. Go ahead and check it out

912
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: after you've consumed the entirety of the No Breaks and

913
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: No Dunks archive. Our next headline comes from Formula one

914
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: dot com. Seems reliable. Alpha Romeo announced Baltari Botas to

915
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: join the team in twenty twenty two on a multi

916
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: year deal. This one's got to be news.

917
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 3: This is absolutely news. In fact, this had been a

918
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 3: little bit predicted. There had been a lot of chatter

919
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 3: and rumors that he was going to go to Alfa

920
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 3: Romeo right up until the last moment. I didn't believe it.

921
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 3: Valerie came to Mercedes from Williams. Williams has a Mercedes

922
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 3: engine Toto Wolf has a very strong relationship with the

923
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 3: Williams team, going back to when he was a partial

924
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 3: owner of the organization and had said one of his

925
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 3: priorities was going to be taking care of Valerie in

926
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 3: these upcoming years. I just always thought, at the end

927
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 3: of the day, Williams is gonna take Valceurie as their

928
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 3: second driver. That's that's going to be the guy. So

929
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 3: I was still, even despite all the rumors, a little

930
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 3: bit shocked to hear it. So I, you know, I think,

931
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 3: but I will be interested to see.

932
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: That.

933
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 3: Being said, it kind of fits with Alfa Romeo's strategy,

934
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 3: not just swapping one finished guy for another, but swapping

935
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 3: a you know, a kind of an elder statesman of

936
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 3: the sport, a guy who's been near the very top

937
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 3: of the grid, you know, so that guy can come

938
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 3: in and hopefully be a steady hand for the team,

939
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 3: help with development, hopefully help maybe shepherd along a younger driver.

940
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 3: That's what they're hoping to get out of Botas is

941
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 3: similar what they've gotten out of break in It.

942
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: You mentioned it earlier. He's going to be their number

943
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 1: one guy. It sure seems like what do you expect

944
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: from him as a lead driver on a lesser team.

945
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 3: I think it's tough. Alpha Romeo is in a really

946
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,959
Speaker 3: tough position right now. I'm not convinced that they're going

947
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 3: to be meaningfully more competitive than they were this year.

948
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 3: They don't feel like they have a lot of momentum

949
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 3: going into so I do think this is going to

950
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 3: be a challenge for Valcherie back in the midfield scrapping.

951
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 3: To be honest, despite what he did at Manza and

952
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 3: all the brilliant overtaking we saw, he actually from times.

953
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 3: From time to time has struggled when he's found himself

954
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 3: kind of stuck in the middle of the grid, even

955
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 3: in a Mercedes car, So I think that's going to

956
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 3: be all the more challenging in an Alpha. I love Valcheri.

957
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 3: He cracks me up, but I'm not super bullish on

958
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 3: the idea that he's just going to crush it in

959
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:56,439
Speaker 3: that seat.

960
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, you drive an Alpha Romeo, now,

961
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: don't you. You're going to get a Valentarie Botos had

962
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: or something like that.

963
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 3: I guess, I guess I gotta be a fan. I've

964
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 3: got a new favorite.

965
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: Fan now, yeah, totally big Botos guy over there are.

966
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: Third headline, also.

967
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 2: From Formula one dot com.

968
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 1: Mercedes announced George Russell will partner Lewis Hamilton in twenty

969
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: twenty two. This is sort of news everybody expected it

970
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: to come. Is this the best possible pairing in Formula

971
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: one gradon.

972
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 3: For Mercedes? It's definitely the best possible pairing. And is

973
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 3: it just, period point blank, the strongest driver duo on

974
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 3: the grid? You probably, yeah. I mean, George Russell is

975
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 3: an exceptional talent, a guy who looks to be among

976
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 3: the kind of the next generation of top tier talents.

977
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 3: With Hamilton, you're talking about a guy who many considered

978
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 3: the greatest driver of all time. I think this is

979
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 3: going to be just electric to watch. It's going to

980
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 3: be so fascinating to see what Russell can do in

981
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 3: a Mercedes. It's going to be wild to watch the

982
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 3: team dynamics play out and see to what degree they

983
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 3: try to make Russell into a number two, what degree

984
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 3: he does or doesn't accept that, and how Hamilton continues

985
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 3: to play or if he will play games inside the

986
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 3: paddock with his partner, because I think that Hamilton at

987
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 3: times has been a very difficult driver to be teammates with,

988
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 3: and Russell as a young guy, hasn't existed in those

989
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 3: sorts of environments to date. So it's going to be

990
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 3: really fascinating. I think it's going to be a real

991
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 3: trial by fire for Russell, but we're also definitely going

992
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 3: to see him on the top step sometime next year.

993
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: Do you think that he'll win a world championship with

994
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: Mercedes Russell? I think so yeah, I do. Do you

995
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: think like Hamilton will take his experiences being a teammate

996
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: to Fernando Alonso when he was a really young guy

997
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: and say, I don't want it to be like that.

998
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: I want our team to be a little bit more,

999
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: less tension, you know, working together and then handing off

1000
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: the torch events.

1001
00:50:54,680 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 3: Really, honestly, I don't I think Hambleton is in this

1002
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 3: sport to win. I think that he fully intends to

1003
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 3: continue to compete for titles. I think he sees his

1004
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 3: teammate as somebody that can take away critical championship points

1005
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 3: from him. And if you look at the relationship that

1006
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 3: he had with Nico Rosberg, which was just absolutely venomous,

1007
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 3: I think that I'm not sure will I think they'll

1008
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 3: both put on a better public face than him and

1009
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 3: Nico did. I think that him and Russell will do

1010
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 3: a much better job with the pr management of all

1011
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 3: of it. And you know, certainly Russell's a guy that

1012
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 3: Hamilton's known for a long time as a young British

1013
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 3: driver who's come up through that system. No, he has

1014
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 3: known the kid for a really long time. But I

1015
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 3: do think for right now, Hamilton is not interested in

1016
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:54,280
Speaker 3: seeing Russell succeed. He's interested in succeeding awesome.

1017
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see that actually go down.

1018
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: Starting next season, our final headline is from motorsport dot Com.

1019
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:05,240
Speaker 1: Williams signs Alex LBoN for Formula One return in twenty

1020
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: twenty two.

1021
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 2: Is this news?

1022
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 3: This is absolutely news. This is easily, for me, the

1023
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 3: biggest shocker of the signings that happened during Silly's season.

1024
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 3: It's for a lot of different reasons. First of all,

1025
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 3: once you've fallen out of the sport of F one,

1026
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 3: fighting your way back in is incredibly difficult, So I

1027
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 3: think a lot of us, once Albon got dropped by

1028
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 3: Red Bull, presumed that that would be the end of

1029
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 3: his Formula One career. As much as I like the guy,

1030
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,919
Speaker 3: he just didn't perform at the highest level the way

1031
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 3: that his team expected. But Red Bull stuck by him.

1032
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 3: They fought for him, they fought to get him back

1033
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 3: into the sport. I think this is also a really

1034
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 3: interesting choice by Williams because what it does is it

1035
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 3: signals where they see themselves headed, which is that they

1036
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 3: want a young driver, but a driver with experience in

1037
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 3: a top team who can hopefully help them fight further

1038
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 3: and further up the midfield. This is, I think, very

1039
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 3: different than going with a guy like Botas who is

1040
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 3: towards the end of his career. Albon could potentially be

1041
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 3: here for many years, depending on how things shake out.

1042
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 3: So I thought to me, of course Albon took any

1043
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 3: seat he could get. But what I think is most

1044
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 3: fascinating is what this says about the Williams organization and

1045
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 3: their priorities and what they see as their potential within

1046
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 3: that F one.

1047
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've already had a pretty solid season this year,

1048
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: you know, getting on the podium, getting points. Even Latifi's

1049
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 1: been scoring points. I think they got their first points

1050
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: maybe at Hungary right before the break, and then obviously

1051
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 1: Russell ended up on the podium at Spot. You think

1052
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: Alban's a legit F one driver, he struggled big time

1053
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: with Red Bull the first time around.

1054
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 3: I do think he is a legit F one driver.

1055
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 3: I think that he had the yips a bit. I

1056
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 3: think that a lot of it's more mental than pure talent,

1057
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 3: and that you know, hopefully that's something he can transcend here.

1058
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 3: I think that the raw driving talent is there. He

1059
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 3: showed that throughout his youth, and he showed it, you know,

1060
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 3: earlier in his career, you know, when he was with

1061
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 3: Toro Rosso or Alfatari. I forget when she was but

1062
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 3: it's like and then and then he you know, I think,

1063
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 3: I think the thing we underestimate and we saw this

1064
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 3: with Ghasly, we saw it with Albon, and now we

1065
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 3: see it with Perez is how hard it is to

1066
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 3: be the number two driver at Red Bull. That car

1067
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 3: is designed in every single facet four Max Verstappen, I

1068
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 3: think Max Verstappen is an incredibly intense guy to have

1069
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 3: as a teammate, and people have always famously complained about

1070
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 3: how difficult the Red Bull car is to drive. Sometimes

1071
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 3: almost wonder if Max's outsize talent disguises just how challenging

1072
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 3: a car that is to handle. It's not surprising we

1073
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 3: see so many guys flounder in the number two seat there.

1074
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,720
Speaker 3: I personally am excited for Albon to have another shot

1075
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:00,760
Speaker 3: and think he'll be just all.

1076
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: Those deals are in place for next season. Definitely an

1077
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: added layer of intrigue that all this happens during the

1078
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 1: current racing season, because I don't know, like Botas signing

1079
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: with Alfa Romeo, He's like, Hey, I'm just gonna go

1080
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 1: drive my best and I think that's really awesome. That's

1081
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: all for next year for right now, though I'm going

1082
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,240
Speaker 1: into the number two see to look like a total

1083
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: fool grad And you messaged me the other day saying

1084
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: you wanted to ask me some Formula one questions for

1085
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: once in our lives. I'm ready to look ridiculous here.

1086
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 1: I know you got some sort of quiz prepared for me.

1087
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 3: Okay, it's F one trivia. Here we go in this cee.

1088
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 3: We're in a test trays knowledge I've tried to Some

1089
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 3: of them are challenging, so might think you'll know. But

1090
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 3: we've got twenty points, twenty trivia points on the line here,

1091
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 3: so let's see. You know some of them are multipoint answers.

1092
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:54,399
Speaker 3: So let's ten questions, twenty points at stake. Let's go.

1093
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 3: We've got three categories and then a bonus round history,

1094
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 3: terminology and the current crid with the history of the sport.

1095
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:07,439
Speaker 3: With seventy one races, what F one course holds the

1096
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 3: record for most Grand Prixs held at it? It's seventy.

1097
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: What I'm gonna guess, Silverston, the British Grand Prix, is

1098
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: that right there? Just seems like there would be a

1099
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: lot of driving there.

1100
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 3: That is incorrect. That is incorrect That Silverstone is number

1101
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 3: three on the list with fifty six. With fifty six,

1102
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 3: I will give you one more guess on this one

1103
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 3: Monza half point, Monza Great with seventy one races, Mons

1104
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 3: is correct. Number two is Monaco with sixty seven, and

1105
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 3: my first guest, and the Silverstone and Spa come in

1106
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,919
Speaker 3: at fifty six and fifty four for three and four.

1107
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I know McLaren has been around forever and

1108
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: they're a British team, and I know Ferrari has been

1109
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,240
Speaker 1: around forever. So those have got to be a couple

1110
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: of early guesses. I'm glad to see one. At least

1111
00:56:56,160 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: pay will give you a half point, Okay, Okay, yeah,

1112
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: I love that.

1113
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 2: I love a half.

1114
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 3: Pay Yeah, okay, this is for two points. There's a

1115
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 3: two part question in the movie Rush, Niki Lauda and

1116
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 3: James Hunt battle for the world championship James Hunt and

1117
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 3: James Hunt ends up winning. In what year does this

1118
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 3: famous title fight occur? And what track? What track is

1119
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 3: the final race held? They're the iconic race in which

1120
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 3: it is raining and Nikki Lauda pulls out feeling that

1121
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 3: it is raining too hard. Where does that race occur?

1122
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: Okay? I like that you frame it around the movie,

1123
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: because I'm much more likely to have seen the movie,

1124
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: which I have than actually I've gone back in recapped

1125
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: whatever season this is from.

1126
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 3: I'll give You, I'll give you the well give me.

1127
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 2: Nineteen seventy seven.

1128
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 3: Oh it was seventy six guest. Pretty good guess it

1129
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 3: was a pretty good guest. Okay, so what about the track?

1130
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:55,439
Speaker 3: Do you remember the track that it ended?

1131
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 2: Aut No? No.

1132
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: All I remember is that Nikki was played by the

1133
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: guy who eventually became Baron Zimo in the Marvel Universe.

1134
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 3: Okay, it was it Suzuka in Japan. Okay, that final,

1135
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 3: that final ra okay, and then this one.

1136
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 2: So I got a I got a half point. So

1137
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 2: far this is great.

1138
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 3: Okay, this last one. You we've talked about this guy

1139
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 3: one time. I'm giving you a hint. We had a

1140
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 3: conversation about this guy one time. Okay. So uh. Lewis

1141
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 3: Hamilton and Michael Schumacher are tied for seven World championships

1142
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 3: with five world championships. Who ranks third all time? Who

1143
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 3: is the guy five champion? Alan Prost Now Alan Prost

1144
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 3: has four World championships. He is tied with Sebastian Vettel,

1145
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 3: who is third.

1146
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: Senna.

1147
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 3: No, no, my last guess.

1148
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 2: I only know the last name Fangio.

1149
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 3: Correct, that is well by.

1150
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: I know he's not Vic Fonio. I think that's a

1151
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator in the NFL, if I'm not mistaken, but

1152
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: I know there's a legendary Fangio.

1153
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 3: The Argentine Wana Meno Fanjo won in fifty one, fifty four,

1154
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 3: fifty five, fifty six, and fifty seven. Fun facts about him.

1155
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 3: He only entered fifty two races, he won twenty four

1156
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 3: of them. He won forty over four and he was

1157
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 3: thirty nine years old in his first F one season

1158
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 3: in nineteen fifty. He won his first title at age forty.

1159
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 3: Not bad. That is a very different F one than

1160
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 3: we have today. What a legend, What a legend? Okay,

1161
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 3: onto terminology?

1162
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: Here we go. At least I'm hearing these. Sometimes.

1163
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 3: You hear a lot on the on the F one broadcast,

1164
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 3: and we have even texted about on a Sunday mornings

1165
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 3: the undercut. You hear a lot about the undercut. But

1166
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 3: what is the overcut? What is the overcut? Ooh? The overcut?

1167
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 1: The overcut is when you pit for tires from the lead.

1168
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 3: No, that is incorrect. No, the is when you when

1169
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 3: you pit later than your rival on purpose, Like the undercuts,

1170
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 3: you know that they pit first to go out on

1171
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 3: fresher tires sooner. The overcuts when you run longer, you

1172
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 3: might do it, okay, because tires are slow to reach temperature,

1173
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 3: because they're your tires are degrading very slowly, because the

1174
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 3: difference between hard and soft is very minimal. There's a

1175
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 3: variety of reasons. But that is a but that.

1176
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with where you're at in

1177
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: the race. More so managing your tires with regards.

1178
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 3: It has to do with where you're I mean, it

1179
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 3: has to do with your competitors, whether your competitors pit

1180
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 3: it before you're after you. It's you know, fundamentally that

1181
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 3: and whether you're doing that intentionally, whether you're you're overcutting

1182
01:00:58,040 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 3: or undercutting cut.

1183
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, okay, come on, that's a little bit

1184
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 1: of cheating. I feel like if there's an undercut, there

1185
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 1: has to be an overcut, right and lots you come

1186
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: in on the very next lap, then I feel like

1187
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: it locks it.

1188
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 3: In and that's then that means you just got undercut. Yeah, okay.

1189
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 3: This is when you may have heard Martin Brundle mentioned

1190
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 3: on Sundays he loves to throw this term around. It

1191
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 3: was a very important factor at Zandfort. What is camber?

1192
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 3: What is camber?

1193
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,919
Speaker 1: Camber is the bank of the urn.

1194
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 3: Okay, actually, i'm gonna get I'm gonna give that one

1195
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 3: to you because they did refer to that as camber

1196
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 3: in Zandbort. They did call that the canberra of the track.

1197
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 3: That is not normally how they use that term, but

1198
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 3: I think Brundle literally called it that, so you're getting

1199
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 3: a point for that. However, normally when people talk about camber,

1200
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 3: it's actually the angle of the wheels in relation to

1201
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 3: the front of the car, whether they're turned in or

1202
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 3: out or they're straight up. This is a neutral camber,

1203
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 3: negative camber, and a positive camber, and it has to

1204
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 3: do with whether they're flat or how how much surface

1205
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 3: area you have on turns and things like that. That

1206
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 3: was also the famous thing in the Mercedes Das driving

1207
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 3: system last year. They could adjust the camber by moving

1208
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 3: in and out. Okay, good one and last of terminology,

1209
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 3: this is going to be critical. A critical component of

1210
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 3: the new twenty twenty two regulations is ground effect. What

1211
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 3: is ground effect.

1212
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 1: Ground effect is when you have cool led lights on

1213
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 1: the underneath of your floorboard. So when you're flexing in

1214
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 1: the parking lot at high school, you look like the

1215
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 1: coolest guide, not just like you have the loudest car,

1216
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 1: not like you've got the deepest sub whippers, but you've

1217
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: also got very cool ground effects underneath that.

1218
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 3: We're giving a half point. Get another half point for

1219
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 3: that answer to this great answer. The answer I was

1220
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 3: looking for was it is a series of aerodynamic effects

1221
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 3: that helped create downforce, primarily which are located beneath the car.

1222
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 3: So part of the reason that they have so much

1223
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 3: trouble falling closely and overtaking in current f one is

1224
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 3: because so much of the aerodynamic elements are on top

1225
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 3: of the car. By relocating them under the car, it

1226
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 3: will allow for cars to follow more closely, pass more

1227
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 3: often in corners, and hopefully lead to generally more competitive racing.

1228
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're telling me that there is a different

1229
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 1: answer for ground effects in Formula one and Fast and Furious.

1230
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 3: That is correct. That is, if this is a Fast

1231
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 3: and Furious trivia, you would have gotten full points, not

1232
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 3: just to have that.

1233
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 1: That's right.

1234
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 2: That's right.

1235
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 1: AND's got my back on this one. I'm gonna take it.

1236
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a point on that one. Let's keep going.

1237
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 3: Okay, I think I think this is the one you're

1238
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 3: gonna do best. I think this is the section you're

1239
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 3: going to do best at because here we are in

1240
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 3: your wheelhouse, the current grid, the current F one grid.

1241
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 1: I got it.

1242
01:03:56,160 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 3: Whose whose father? Whose father? Is a two time World

1243
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 3: rally Car Champion and a three time to Car rally champion.

1244
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 3: I mentioned this fact on our last No Breaks podcast?

1245
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 3: Whose father?

1246
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 1: Okay, rally champ Botos valtri botas.

1247
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 3: No, that's actually a good guest. That is a good guess.

1248
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 3: But I will but incorrect. I will give you one

1249
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 3: more shot at it. For that point. The hint is

1250
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 3: in the guy's name. In the guy's name, there is

1251
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 3: a hint in Carlos signs, Carlos Sion. Carlos Signs Junior.

1252
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 3: Carlos Signs Senior is a two time World rally Car

1253
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 3: Champion and three times to Car rally champion.

1254
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 2: I didn't know that.

1255
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 1: I knew he was also a driver as well, which

1256
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: is kind of common on the grid these days, but

1257
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 1: I didn't know about the rally factor.

1258
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 3: Nice, It wasn't he wasn't actually an F one driver.

1259
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 3: He was a rally driver. That was his. That's his

1260
01:04:53,640 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 3: very cool climes A fan. Okay, which current driver got

1261
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 3: his first win at the twenty fourteen Canadian Grand Prix.

1262
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 3: We have a bunch of friends who are Canadian. I'm

1263
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 3: sure they were watching at this time, you.

1264
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 1: Know, totally all right, twenty fourteen Canadian Grand Prix. It's

1265
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 1: been around for a while, been around for a minute.

1266
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 1: How about hm, I feel like Daniel Ricardo.

1267
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 3: That is correct, right, that is correct, That is correct,

1268
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 3: That is correct. He just said, you know, he just

1269
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 3: got to win again. I figured it out a little

1270
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 3: one on there, okay, nice, And now here's a big

1271
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 3: one for five points. For five points, there are five

1272
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 3: correct answers. They're five correct answers. Five of the current

1273
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 3: drivers on the grid are former champions in FIA's second tier.

1274
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 3: It was called GP two and then Formula two, but

1275
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 3: let's just call it Formula two for simplicity. Which which

1276
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 3: five drivers are former Formula two champions?

1277
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 2: Mike Schumacher correct, Max ver Stappin.

1278
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 1: Incorrect, Charls Leclair correct, Lewis Hamilton correct.

1279
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 2: Uh, Fernando Alonso.

1280
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 3: No he's not. Actually, I was a little surprise. I actually,

1281
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 3: when I was looking this stuff, I thought he might

1282
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 3: have been.

1283
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 1: One actually, and who else? Who else?

1284
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 3: Pierre Ghastly, Pierre Ghastly. There you go.

1285
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 1: Yes, I'll give you one more guest, one more guest,

1286
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 1: one more guests.

1287
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 2: I will.

1288
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 1: Who could it be?

1289
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 2: Daniel Ricardo? No, no way, he's the answer twice.

1290
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 3: Uh No, it's George Russell.

1291
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Speaker 1: George Russell.

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Speaker 3: Should have known George Russe.

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Speaker 1: That's why everybody thinks he has so much promise. Yes, exactly, Okay,

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Speaker 1: what's the correlation you think between when being Formula two

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Speaker 1: and then succeeding in the next level.

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Speaker 3: I mean, i'll tell you right now. All five of

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Speaker 3: the guys that you know, Louis, Pierre, Charles, George, and Mick.

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Speaker 3: Aside from Mick, who I think is just so early

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Speaker 3: in his career, I mean, all four of those guys

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01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 3: are somebody that different people have felt are a championship caliber.

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Speaker 3: You know, they talk about them in that way. Sure, so,

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01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 3: I you know there is I was shocked to see

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01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 3: actually how low the correlation was between general success. If

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01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 3: you look through the whole list of Formula two champions like,

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01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 3: tons of them are nobody's in the history at F one,

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01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 3: so I was actually shocked how few of them have

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Speaker 3: succeeded at the next level. That surprised me.

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Speaker 2: So what did what did my score end up being?

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Speaker 1: Here?

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Speaker 3: Graydon Okay, well, hold on going into the bonus rounds,

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Speaker 3: going too the bonus round, We've got a half point

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Speaker 3: one whole point that two point okay, two points, two

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Speaker 3: point five points? Did you get Carlos? Okay, we're three points,

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Speaker 3: give you a halfway for Carlos, signs four with Ricardo,

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Speaker 3: and then for eight points eight points at an end

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Speaker 3: of the bonus round. Let's see if you can get

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Speaker 3: into the double digits codes with a big six point

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01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 3: question in this bonus round. To answer it, a big

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Speaker 3: six point question is this is Admittedly there's a couple

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01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:23,719
Speaker 3: gimmeas in here and then a couple of hard ones.

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Speaker 3: The United States Grand Prix the United States Grand Prix

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Speaker 3: has occurred at six different locations around the United States

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Speaker 3: in its history. It's actually technically been at ten, but

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Speaker 3: only six have officially been a part of the F

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Speaker 3: one calendar, so only counting those that have been a

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Speaker 3: part of the F one calendar six of them. What

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Speaker 3: are those six places? What are these six? Just to clarify,

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about the US Grand Prix. So for example,

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Speaker 3: next year the Miami Grand Prix will be in Miami,

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Speaker 3: but that is the Miami Grand Prix. That would not count.

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Speaker 3: There have also been races like that.

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Speaker 1: So Circuit of the Americas correct, number one, number two,

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis in the Indianapolis Grand Prix correct, a famously bad

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Speaker 1: race that brought up a ton after Spa went down,

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Speaker 1: and you know, nobody was able to start at this one.

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Speaker 2: That one, I know.

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Speaker 3: Uh uh.

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Speaker 2: They they raced in Los Angeles, didn't they?

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01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:26,680
Speaker 3: They did? But that was that was actually that was

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01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:28,680
Speaker 3: this was almost what they one to hear there in

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01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 3: Long Beach they did the US Grand Prix West, but

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01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:33,679
Speaker 3: it was the same year as the US Grand Prix.

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01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 3: So I didn't include that one.

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01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:42,720
Speaker 1: But okay, where else maybe Charlotte, No, but I get Ascar.

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01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 3: There, I guess, I like that. Guess. Okay, there's I'll

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Speaker 3: give you two of these. There's listen. I would have

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01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 3: never gotten so I don't know, but like I one

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01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:57,639
Speaker 3: is a city that that had a very big year

1349
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 3: in the NBA this year Phoenix, correct, correct, and then one.

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Speaker 3: The other one is the course at which the most

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Speaker 3: US Grand Prixs have been one. It is the run

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01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 3: excuse me, it is the course where they have run the.

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Speaker 1: Most somewhere somewhere in Florida.

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01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:24,919
Speaker 3: No, though there is one in one is in Florida.

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01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 3: There is one in Florida, but that's not the one

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Speaker 3: I'm referring to.

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Speaker 1: The one in Florida's got to be Orlando, you know,

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01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:35,320
Speaker 1: come to Orlando, the one where there was the most

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Speaker 1: races at.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, Denver Watkins, Glen Glenn Watkins Glenn in

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Speaker 3: New York. It's in upstate New York.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I don't know. I thought that was in Charlotte.

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Speaker 1: It's a road course, right, and I do think they

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Speaker 1: race NASCAR.

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01:10:56,439 --> 01:11:00,720
Speaker 3: Then there they do they raise. I don't think what

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01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 3: is what is not a road course? I think it's

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01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 3: just a course. But I think it's a regular check card.

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Speaker 3: But I've never been, to be honest. The names, Okay,

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Speaker 3: the other two. The other two are Riverside in California.

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Speaker 3: We're only race one year, and then Seabring, which is

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Speaker 3: in Florida.

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Speaker 1: Nice.

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Speaker 3: The other ones, the other the ones that were raised

1374
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:24,799
Speaker 3: before the up one calendar. We Savannah, Milwaukee, Santa Monica,

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01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:28,879
Speaker 3: and San Francisco, none of which I would expect anybody

1376
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Speaker 3: in their right mind to get. That's some deep cuts

1377
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 3: to know that, Okay, And that, my friends, what is that?

1378
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:37,600
Speaker 3: What does that? What that leave you? I think that

1379
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 3: leaves you with eleven points? Eleven points, you're in the

1380
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 3: You're double digits.

1381
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:41,599
Speaker 1: Nice.

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01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 2: I like that.

1383
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 1: That would put me currently U sixteenth at the driver's standings,

1384
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 1: right in between Russell and Latifi. So I'm happy with that.

1385
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:49,680
Speaker 3: Great, gotta be strolled with that.

1386
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,719
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Great. And we're gonna take one more

1387
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:55,639
Speaker 1: pit stop here. We're on a two stop strategy. When

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01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:57,720
Speaker 1: we come back, we'll take a look ahead to the

1389
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:02,719
Speaker 1: next couple of races on the schedule. Well, we're back, Graydon.

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01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 1: I've been looking up all kinds of stuff about Watkins

1391
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 1: Glen during the break. I cannot believe I didn't say it,

1392
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 1: just because it's like the one random course name I know,

1393
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:15,839
Speaker 1: maybe next time. I appreciate it, though we mentioned it earlier.

1394
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:19,800
Speaker 1: Currently seven races left on the schedule for F one

1395
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:22,679
Speaker 1: this season, though they're keeping a to be announced slot

1396
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 1: on the docket just in case there are any other

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01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:27,760
Speaker 1: courses that are able to have races up next on

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Speaker 1: the schedule. We've got the Russian Ground Prix and Sochi

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Speaker 1: on September twenty sixth. Last year's podium botas Verstappen and Hamilton.

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01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 1: This was the race that Hamilton got a couple of

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01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:42,599
Speaker 1: five second penalties for doing practice starts where he wasn't

1402
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 1: supposed to do practice starts.

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01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 2: That was a weird one.

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01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 1: Easy win though for Mercedes last year. And I think

1405
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 1: you said earlier this is a track that generally favors Mercedes.

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01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:53,639
Speaker 2: Is that the case?

1407
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 3: I yes, I believe since twenty fourteen we've been holding

1408
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 3: this race seven times. I believe Mercedes has won all

1409
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 3: seven of the races. They have been incredibly dominant in Sochi,

1410
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 3: so I think, you know, certainly they're probably the favorite

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01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 3: going into this weekend, especially given how strong they looked

1412
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 3: in Manza. Despite all the mania that caused them to

1413
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:19,640
Speaker 3: not win the race, they still looked great there and

1414
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 3: I think that will favor them in Sochi. That being said,

1415
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 3: if Max can win in Russia, that truly feels like

1416
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 3: the ushering in of a new era for him to

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01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 3: win in a track where nobody but Mercedes has ever won.

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01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 3: That starts to feel like, oh, maybe Max is really

1419
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 3: going to make it happen this year.

1420
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:37,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe they got a chance.

1421
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 1: Red Bull has been doing a lot of things this

1422
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 1: year that they haven't done in the past so far.

1423
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 1: After the Russian Grand Prix, we've got a couple of

1424
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 1: weeks off between races after the Singapore and Japan Grands

1425
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:51,639
Speaker 1: Prix were canceled due to the pandemic. Up next after

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Speaker 1: Russia the Turkish Grand Prix on October tenth. Last year's podium,

1427
01:13:56,439 --> 01:14:00,879
Speaker 1: Lewis Hamilton a top first place. Sergio Perez been second

1428
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 1: for racing point. He was followed at third by Sebastian

1429
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 1: Vettel racing for Ferrari. This was the race that gave

1430
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 1: Lewis Hamilton his seventh World Championship. It was the first

1431
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:15,920
Speaker 1: pole for Lance Stroll last year. It was very cold

1432
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 1: and rainy. There was a Lance Stroll a Canadian compared

1433
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 1: it to driving on ice in Canada. Botas finished Man

1434
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:26,559
Speaker 1: compared it to driving on ice in Finland. But I

1435
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 1: think this was in November last year, so maybe not

1436
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 1: quite as cold.

1437
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:33,599
Speaker 2: Is this a good race generally at the Turkish ground Prix.

1438
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 3: Well, it's a fairly new one on the you know,

1439
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 3: they brought it back I think last year to fill

1440
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:40,759
Speaker 3: in after we had so many cancelations because of COVID.

1441
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:43,040
Speaker 3: It certainly was a great one last year. It was

1442
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 3: great from beginning to end, whether it was the exciting

1443
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:47,919
Speaker 3: lancetroll poll, all the way down into that very last

1444
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:51,679
Speaker 3: corner where you saw Leclair make a failed to overtake

1445
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 3: on Perez and then have Betal slip by him with

1446
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 3: just a fraction of the lap left to actually steal

1447
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 3: the podium from his Ferrari teammate at the time. From

1448
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 3: end to end it was really exciting, really great. Hopefully

1449
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 3: it is again. It's what made it so weird last

1450
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 3: year is that there was a new tarmac they had

1451
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,720
Speaker 3: recently repaind it, so it was incredibly smooth. So that

1452
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:14,880
Speaker 3: combined with the rain made it really crazy. I'm interested

1453
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 3: to see whether that, you know, if in dry conditions

1454
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 3: it has similar effects, but certainly last year it gave

1455
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 3: us a great show. Let's hope it does again.

1456
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:25,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, the slip Scream team is saying it was race

1457
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:27,879
Speaker 1: of the year last year, so that could be exciting.

1458
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, SPA was a dud, but the

1459
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:32,559
Speaker 1: next two we're fine, and we've still got a really

1460
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 1: close championship between Verstappen and Hamilton, and then in the

1461
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 1: constructors as well. There's still much to be decided. That'll

1462
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 1: be awesome, But it feels like a million years from

1463
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 1: now to be talking about a race in October. In

1464
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:46,759
Speaker 1: the meantime, we've got some other F one content to consume.

1465
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:51,679
Speaker 1: Netflix just dropped there Michael Schumacher documentary Schumacher this past Wednesday,

1466
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 1: to coincide with Michael's debut in Formula one thirty years ago.

1467
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:59,640
Speaker 1: The documentary uses archival footage to tell the story of

1468
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 1: Showman's rise to prominence, his world titles, his driving career,

1469
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 1: and his unfortunate ski accident and subsequent brain injury from

1470
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 1: which he's been recovering since. I cannot wait to watch this, Graydon,

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01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:14,519
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're excited as well. Were you a Michael

1472
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 1: Schumacher fan, I would be.

1473
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:18,680
Speaker 3: Lying him, I said, as a Schumacher fan, I came

1474
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:23,000
Speaker 3: into the sport after him, although he is I will

1475
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:26,639
Speaker 3: say this as a guy who never watched F one

1476
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 3: as a kid growing up or even into my early twenties.

1477
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:34,560
Speaker 3: I really only had heard of two individuals, Michael Schumacher

1478
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:37,880
Speaker 3: and Arrington Senna, right, So for him to have cut

1479
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 3: through the noise and to make it to an American

1480
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 3: fan who wasn't a fan of the sport, I mean,

1481
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 3: I think somewhat demonstrates his greatness and it just cann

1482
01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 3: be very cool to you know, hear more about his

1483
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 3: story in detail, and see his family, if see young mix,

1484
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 3: see shots of that, I think will be cool. I'm

1485
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 3: really looking forward to it.

1486
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't wait. I mean, everybody knows that Schumacher

1487
01:16:58,160 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 1: is one of the all time greats, and for me,

1488
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like you. My first exposure to Formula

1489
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:05,840
Speaker 1: one period was just hearing the name Michael Schumacher, because

1490
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 1: he was always like the highest paid athlete in the world,

1491
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 1: and it was mind blowing to me that there was

1492
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:12,639
Speaker 1: another Michael out there who was more famous than Michael

1493
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 1: Jordan at the time. I was deep in Sebastian Vettel's

1494
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 1: Wikipedia the other day and he said, growing up he

1495
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:22,840
Speaker 1: worshiped the three Michaels, Schumacher, Jordan and Jackson. But he

1496
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 1: couldn't sing and he couldn't play basketball, so he became

1497
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:27,840
Speaker 1: a driver. Great stuff. I cannot wait to watch this.

1498
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 1: I know Lee's really excited as well. Might have to

1499
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 1: get that guy onto chat about this as well. Graydon,

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01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:36,759
Speaker 1: thank you once again for joining us to talk about

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01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:41,519
Speaker 1: fast race cars. Everybody please go follow Graydon on Twitter.

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01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 1: That's at mister Gordian. He ghost wrote a song for Drake.

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Speaker 1: Pretty exciting stuff, Graydon.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: This might be the most retweeted and liked tweet of

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. You tweeted, Drake working onto takompo into

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01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:58,879
Speaker 1: a line is going to be tricky, but he'll figure

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Speaker 1: out something. And then he did. And then he responded

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Speaker 1: to an Instagram repost of your tweet saying I only

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Speaker 1: did this line because of this tweet. Do you have

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Speaker 1: a follow up for Drizzy?

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying that if you need more inspiration, you

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Speaker 3: need someone to collaborate with, just hit me up, man.

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Speaker 3: You know I'm always here to like, kick around ideas,

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Speaker 3: help push you to even greater artistic heights. So just

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Speaker 3: get at me. Get at me, Drake. I'm right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got the microphone, he's got the headlines, and

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Speaker 1: obviously he's.

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Speaker 2: Got the bars as well.

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Speaker 1: Athletic dot com. Let us know if you want more,

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Speaker 1: no breaks, let us know if you want less. Just

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Speaker 1: engage with us as we conquer alg Rhythm. We'll be

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Speaker 1: back on Monday with another show that isn't about basketball

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Speaker 1: and another banger guest. Let's just say it's a good

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Speaker 1: time to get in Clipper roads.

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Speaker 2: You heard it here first, have a great time, turn up.

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Speaker 1: Love you guys awesome, Stay speedy people, We'll catch you.

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Speaker 1: Soup