WEBVTT - Pats from the Past, Episode 34: Vince Wilfork

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<v Speaker 1>It's time now for another episode of the pat From

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<v Speaker 1>the Past podcast. Max Smith along with Paul Broo and

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<v Speaker 1>pleased to be joined by the newly inducted member of

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<v Speaker 1>the Patriots Hall of Fame, number seventy five in your program.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if seventy five would fit on him now, Paul,

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<v Speaker 1>mister Vince Wilfork, Vince, you look tremendous.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you think? I think aside? Forty eight might do? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>forty eight? Now do you set a fifty six? Do you?

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<v Speaker 1>Does it feel normal like to be more like a

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<v Speaker 1>normal human being as opposed to you know, one of

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<v Speaker 1>you play.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what the most amazing thing for me now

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<v Speaker 2>is I can go basically in if they have a

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<v Speaker 2>two X, I can fit it, you know. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't had that since I was in sixth grade,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. So it's a little different. But at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time, I feel good, my body feel good, I'm healthy,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've just been enjoying life. That's great.

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<v Speaker 1>Why don't we Why don't you let Patriot fans know

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<v Speaker 1>what are you up to now? I don't know that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm up to the Lake and Greatest. But the last

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<v Speaker 1>time I think I saw Vince besides the twenty sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>playoff lost. Here is you must have had a spatuel

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<v Speaker 1>in your hand. You must have been in front of

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<v Speaker 1>a barbecue grill. Are you still in the grill business?

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<v Speaker 1>What are you up to these days?

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<v Speaker 2>You know? I live every day as it comes, and

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoy I try to enjoy retirement, my kids and

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<v Speaker 2>family and friends and taking a lot of time playing

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<v Speaker 2>some golf, you know. And I love the outdoors. I

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<v Speaker 2>love the fish. And so right now, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>real estate. I'm in truck and I got a you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of things solar and you know, I got

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<v Speaker 2>I'm dimming and dabbing in a bunch of stuff. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>always cooking, So cooking this part of who I am.

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<v Speaker 2>So but you know, life is good. It's nothing stressful.

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<v Speaker 2>Is I work at my own on my own schedule,

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<v Speaker 2>wake up when I want to wake up. But it

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<v Speaker 2>seems like I'm still on the football schedule because I'll

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<v Speaker 2>pop up at six o'clock, like I have something to

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<v Speaker 2>do at six o'clock, you know, And then I'm like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe I can go read and go for a walk.

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<v Speaker 2>Well maybe I just head to them, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>course and play some golf. But you know, but living

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<v Speaker 2>a simple life and happy life. That's that's what it's

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<v Speaker 2>all about for me, because you know, for over twenty years,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, high school and college and NFL, I had

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<v Speaker 2>a structured life where you know, it was very demanding,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and I had schedule. I had to meet

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<v Speaker 2>that schedule. I had routines, I had to be on

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<v Speaker 2>a routine. And now I'm to a point where I

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<v Speaker 2>don't have to do all of that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's your time now, used.

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<v Speaker 2>To be it is my time, and I'm probably working

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<v Speaker 2>harder now. I move around a lot more now than

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<v Speaker 2>when I played, but I move around how I want

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<v Speaker 2>to move around now, and I just keep things fun

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<v Speaker 2>and exciting because I'm a busybody. I like to be

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<v Speaker 2>moving around. So but nothing spectackling. I live a born

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<v Speaker 2>retirement life, and like I said, the majority of the time,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on a golf course.

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<v Speaker 3>And we were, you know, just talking about this before

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<v Speaker 3>we started. This is your first time back, yes, since

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<v Speaker 3>that you know, you went to Houston the last couple

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<v Speaker 3>of that two thousand sixteen playoff game. That was the

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<v Speaker 3>the last time you were you were here at your

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<v Speaker 3>let's stadium. Yep, that was you're enjoying the memories already.

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<v Speaker 2>Man. You know, my first time back besides that last

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<v Speaker 2>playoff game. And we got in Monday, and we kind

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<v Speaker 2>of walked around a little bit and had to go

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<v Speaker 2>out and get a sweater because I didn't pack. I

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<v Speaker 2>packed like I was a Southern boy, so I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have any sweater or long pan. So I had to

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<v Speaker 2>go pick up a jackie, me and my fiance and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just walking in it's and it's dark, right

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<v Speaker 2>and about twenty yards away, I hear somebody we love

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<v Speaker 2>you vents and I look back. I'm like, who the

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<v Speaker 2>hell knowed me? It's dark outside, I got this sweater on.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like I love you too, you know, And and

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<v Speaker 2>that and that basically started my time back in Boston

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<v Speaker 2>because from that moment until I since I've been up here.

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<v Speaker 2>Now everywhere I go, you know, it's fans everywhere, congratulating me,

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<v Speaker 2>hugging me, taking pictures and autograph And what makes me

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<v Speaker 2>so happy is the excitement and the happiness I see

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<v Speaker 2>on their faces. That that brings me joy to see

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<v Speaker 2>a community that I fell in love with while I

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<v Speaker 2>up here being excited and happy for me. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>been a thrill everybody I encounter. I mean, I love Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>I love everybody here. Some of my closest friends are

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<v Speaker 2>from here, and this is the best fans that you

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<v Speaker 2>can ever ask for.

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<v Speaker 1>So are you surprised? Were you surprised? Were you nervous?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you didn't you didn't necessarily end as a Patriot,

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<v Speaker 1>even though I know you're officially retired. Was there any

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<v Speaker 1>hesitancy or were you surprised? Because I don't think we'd

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<v Speaker 1>be surprised that Evince Wolfork's walking down the street. Of

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<v Speaker 1>course you're going to belied, you know, that's the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of player you were.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm surprised because I don't think they can see

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<v Speaker 2>my face who I was. That's that's why that's what

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<v Speaker 2>surprised me. I'm like then back of me, they just

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<v Speaker 2>crossed the street, so how they like, did they follow

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<v Speaker 2>me or did they see me? So maybe they saw

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<v Speaker 2>me under some lights. But I'm not surprised about the

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<v Speaker 2>love that Boston gives me because I've always given Boston

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent of love back because they this is

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<v Speaker 2>my family now, like Boston is home for me, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>even though I went out and played two more years.

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<v Speaker 2>But people tell you quick, I'm I'm a Hurricane and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a Patriot. You know, That's what it is. And

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<v Speaker 2>even though I've been going all this well, I've always

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<v Speaker 2>considered myself for Bostony because of the amount of time

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<v Speaker 2>I spent here and with the connections and the friendships

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<v Speaker 2>that I've encountered over my life here. And basically I

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<v Speaker 2>grew here, honestly, you know, I was a twenty three

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<v Speaker 2>year old kid come here, you know, and I grew

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<v Speaker 2>from a kid to a man here with a family.

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<v Speaker 2>So all I know is kind of Boston. So I

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<v Speaker 2>love it, you know, I love it. That's great.

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<v Speaker 3>They knew you because you're taking pictures all over the

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<v Speaker 3>place and posted them.

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<v Speaker 2>I had to do that. I had to do that,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, because I didn't know how. I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 2>That's nice. It was nice Landmark. I was at like

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<v Speaker 2>this arc and then you know, my marketing she started

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<v Speaker 2>telling me how big of a deal this hotel I'm

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<v Speaker 2>staying there. I'm like, okay, So she's like, you need

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<v Speaker 2>to send the post out. I said, okay, I listened.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, once in my lifetime, I listened, so I

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<v Speaker 2>listened and it was like boom boom boom boom boom.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, okay, well at least she was right. So

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm you know, like I said, a lot of people,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think a lot of reasons that people fell

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<v Speaker 2>in love with me is they realized how of a

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<v Speaker 2>normal person I am. I can relate to them because

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<v Speaker 2>I had. I didn't have anybody sharing. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>going shopping for me. You know, I cut my own rass,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I had, I bought a plow truck. So

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<v Speaker 2>I was a man's man. You know. If I had

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<v Speaker 2>to go grocery shop, I go grocery shop. If me

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<v Speaker 2>and my family want to go eat, we go eat

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<v Speaker 2>whatever they have available. We sit down and eat, so

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of stuff. I think people kind of equate that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm just as normous as everyone else, even

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<v Speaker 2>though I have you know, the background of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Collo and playing college and Patriot. You know, go to

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<v Speaker 2>Celsish game, I see it in the crowd. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>even now when I go to games, now, you know

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<v Speaker 2>I see it in the stands. I don't I don't

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<v Speaker 2>call for a box, I don't call for nothing special

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<v Speaker 2>for me, you know, so I try to be as

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<v Speaker 2>normal as possible, what I think over the over time,

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<v Speaker 2>people grew to love that about me. You know that

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<v Speaker 2>it's any day in Boston when I was here, you

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<v Speaker 2>can walk up to me and catch me anywhere with

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<v Speaker 2>that normal person.

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<v Speaker 1>Be because this area respects and they embrace the regular

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<v Speaker 1>human beings. They see the work getting double and triple

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<v Speaker 1>team and everything like that, they realize you're grabbing your

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<v Speaker 1>brown bag yep, hardhead on and going out to work.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's how I am man. Even to this day

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<v Speaker 2>in Houston, I'm saying, way, I don't hide, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>try to call and say can you block this off up?

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<v Speaker 2>Like no, I go, I'm going in with everybody else.

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<v Speaker 2>We we all sitting and have a good time. We laugh,

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<v Speaker 2>We talked football, we talked life. And I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>one thing that draws people in with me because I

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<v Speaker 2>just showed them how normal I can be. Like I

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<v Speaker 2>know where where I come from. I know, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what it's like to grind, and I'm a humble person.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm blessed to be in a position that I'm in.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm blessed to have the career I had to walk

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<v Speaker 2>away from a game with one major injury, like that's

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<v Speaker 2>unheard of playing the position I played, And so I'm

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<v Speaker 2>truly blessing. I'm lucky. So I look at That's how

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<v Speaker 2>I look at life. You know. You treat people the

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<v Speaker 2>way you want to be treated. You treat what people

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<v Speaker 2>with respect, you could demand it. So I've played like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I lived my life like that, and that's why I

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<v Speaker 2>get along with a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 3>So when you go back to the beginning here two

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<v Speaker 3>thousand and four, you talked about you're a Kane, You're

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<v Speaker 3>a Hurricane Solver. You get drafted in the first round. Yes, sir, here,

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<v Speaker 3>what was draft night like for you? Did you expect

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<v Speaker 3>to be available with twenty one?

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<v Speaker 2>No? I was pissed, you know, and I remember, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>my father died of diabetes. So I wanted to do

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<v Speaker 2>something to give back two diabetes. So I linked up

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<v Speaker 2>with this this organization down there called DRII Dia Beata

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<v Speaker 2>Research Interest Too, and we threw this like this little

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<v Speaker 2>get together at a place called game game Stop, no

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<v Speaker 2>game shop, game works, I'm sorry, game works in Miami.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was just me and my family and a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of friends and it was probably like thirty of us,

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<v Speaker 2>and we raised like six thousand dollars that day. And

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<v Speaker 2>I was sitting there and I knew we had six

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<v Speaker 2>first rounders. I knew we had that. I'll say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I know I'm not going to be the last one,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because I've met with you know, Houston came

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<v Speaker 2>down and met with all of us. Houston was picking

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<v Speaker 2>at ten. Then Atlanta had eight. Atlanta was talking to

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<v Speaker 2>me every day. So Atlanta was at eight. And then

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<v Speaker 2>I went and visit Chicago, and I think Chicago had

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen or fourteen. I went to Buffalo in Minnesota. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm like, I know I'm gonna be off the

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<v Speaker 2>board before you know. I'm not gonna be last hurricane. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>So Atlanta comes, I'm like, okay, here's our first one. Boom,

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<v Speaker 2>Atlanta comes. They picked a cornerback. I'm like, okay, ten,

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<v Speaker 2>Houston got one, Okay, Houston. Houston comes, they pick a cornerback,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, what the hell now, mind you. At

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<v Speaker 2>the time, Sean Teala had left and Keller Winzoe had left,

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<v Speaker 2>so we had Jonathan Villma left, DJ Williams, Vernicrey and myself.

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<v Speaker 2>So fourteen comes thirteen fourteen, comes Chicago. They picked Tommy

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<v Speaker 2>Harris first Detackle take it. So I was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>they went dtackle, but they went that route. Okay. So

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<v Speaker 2>now I'm sitting I'm like, I have no clue where

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go. You know, Buffalo come up. I forget

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<v Speaker 2>who Buffalo picked. And then Jets picked Jonathan Villma so

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<v Speaker 2>he the third goe. Denver picked DJ william He's the

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<v Speaker 2>fourth one. So here we go with Miami. So I'm like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>at least I can stay home. Even though I grew up,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't grow up. I hated the Dolphins. I said, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>at least I can stay home. Dolphins come Vernon Carrey,

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<v Speaker 2>so I said, you got to being kidding.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it amazing that the eighteen years later.

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<v Speaker 3>All of them can do that with the around just

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<v Speaker 3>shit there.

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<v Speaker 1>And rattle them off, because because you don't forget, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't forget.

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<v Speaker 2>So here comes New England, right boom. They picked me.

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<v Speaker 2>So I said, okay, I'm still pissed. First Round'm pissed.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember my defensive coordinator at the time, Randon Shendon,

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<v Speaker 2>he coming. He came to me. He said, listen, no

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<v Speaker 2>he called me. He said, Ben, listen, I know you

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<v Speaker 2>pissed off, in you upset, but you're gonna be the

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<v Speaker 2>first one to get a ring watch. I said, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to hear that. I'm pissed off. And

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<v Speaker 2>then DJ Williams came, and then are other guys they came.

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<v Speaker 2>They was happy, you know, and I was still I

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<v Speaker 2>was in. I was pissed off because I'm so competitive.

0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:58.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, how the hell I'm the sixth Hurricane pick

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<v Speaker 2>Like that on't make no sense. So I finally let

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<v Speaker 2>it go, and I throughout my career, I say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna show you I'm the best one of these

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<v Speaker 2>Hurricanes that got drafted that year. That was the inside

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<v Speaker 2>that was burning and driving me. And sure enough my

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<v Speaker 2>first year Super Bowl, and I remember when I wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>I called my defensive coordinator, Randon Shan and I said, listen, coach,

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<v Speaker 2>you told me I was going to be the first

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<v Speaker 2>one to win one, and you were right. And I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of let it go. Then. So now I sit

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<v Speaker 2>back with all those guys and I say, yeah, y'all

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<v Speaker 2>went before me, But I had the better career and

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<v Speaker 2>I played with the best team that you can possibly

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<v Speaker 2>play with. So I'm okay where I got drafted, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's always an inside joke, but a great story.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll never forget it. You know that that was one

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<v Speaker 2>of the things that one of the multiple things that

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<v Speaker 2>drove me to be the best I could be.

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<v Speaker 3>I had some talent with you on that defensive flight too.

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<v Speaker 3>Huh No, no shortage your first round picks on that line.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I'm thinking it was three years we had eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>or nineteen first rounders University of my mean three year

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<v Speaker 2>span and with our class being the top one with

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<v Speaker 2>six in the first round, I think we tied somebody.

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<v Speaker 2>And at that time, I really didn't know what what

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<v Speaker 2>that meant. I mean, I'd be like, man, this is

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<v Speaker 2>what we do. We Hurricane, we go to the NFL.

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<v Speaker 2>We may have good careers. But you look at it now,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, and you know, six in the first round

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<v Speaker 2>haven't happened. You know the longevity that you know, Hurricanes

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<v Speaker 2>we typically have and the production. You know, so if

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<v Speaker 2>you go and look at you know, all the great

0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:33.120
<v Speaker 2>Hurricanes that played and where they went and how they

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<v Speaker 2>played in the NFL their careers, they had amazing careers.

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<v Speaker 2>So now I'm able to sit back and be like, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm part of that fraternity down at the University of Miami.

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<v Speaker 2>Not only did we did it in college, we also

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<v Speaker 2>did it at the highest level, you know, and being

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<v Speaker 2>a Patriot Hall of Fame, and that just speaks volume

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<v Speaker 2>of not only my play, but from everywhere that I

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<v Speaker 2>that I come from, from my upbringing, you know, from

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<v Speaker 2>my coaches and how school and in college, and a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of a lot of credit go to Bill Belichick

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<v Speaker 2>because Bill and Craft believed it in me. Took a

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<v Speaker 2>guy from a thirty four from a four to three

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<v Speaker 2>penetrating defense, brung him in the system and had to

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<v Speaker 2>teach me the system, you know. And I just remember

0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:19.120
<v Speaker 2>those days just trying to learn it. Everything I was

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<v Speaker 2>doing was too fast. So it was like everything was

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<v Speaker 2>opposite of college. You know. I got to stay front

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<v Speaker 2>side in college NFL, when we stay in backside. I

0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:29.960
<v Speaker 2>was fast. I had to be fast in college quick.

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<v Speaker 2>In college I had to slow down. And then pros.

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<v Speaker 2>So everything I was trained and learned to do as

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<v Speaker 2>a high school and a college splayer, I had to

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<v Speaker 2>retrain who I was to be a football player in

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<v Speaker 2>this type of defense.

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<v Speaker 1>And so Keith was here, you're rookie trail yep, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and so you're splitting. I mean he's starting at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And was that pissed off fence will Fork

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<v Speaker 1>taking the field in training camp or did you feel

0:14:56.760 --> 0:14:59.080
<v Speaker 1>like me and I got a lot to learn. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>better not be as pissed off and try to be

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<v Speaker 1>a sponge with all these different things that they're thrown

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<v Speaker 1>at you right out of the chute, and let me

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<v Speaker 1>work my way, let me learn this, and then let

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<v Speaker 1>me see how I can contribute after I learned this.

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<v Speaker 1>What was your mindset?

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<v Speaker 2>Like my mindset was I need to be on the field,

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<v Speaker 2>and it really wasn't. I was upset I didn't start,

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<v Speaker 2>you know because in college, only year I started was

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<v Speaker 2>my last year there. You know, I played behind two

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<v Speaker 2>defensive tackles in college my first and second year, but

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<v Speaker 2>my playing time I played more than them. So that

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<v Speaker 2>really didn't bother me. And I knew Keith Trelor was

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<v Speaker 2>an older guy coming in and he never really played

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<v Speaker 2>in his defense, so it was new to him too.

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<v Speaker 2>And he was an older guy, and you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just age ketchup. You know, I used to see him

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<v Speaker 2>rub his knees and all this stuff and put all

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<v Speaker 2>the stuff on in his locker, and we used to

0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:50.440
<v Speaker 2>laugh at him. He said, don't worry about a young buck.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't get my age. One day you're gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>doing the same thing I'm doing, you know. But me

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<v Speaker 2>and me and Keith had a great relationship. It was

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<v Speaker 2>no it was never no jealousy there. We learned off

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<v Speaker 2>each other because every time I had to do something,

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<v Speaker 2>even though I was a rookie, he had to do

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<v Speaker 2>it because we both had to learn how to be

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<v Speaker 2>a nose tackle. Because think about it, we were trying

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<v Speaker 2>to replace the great Ted Washington at that position. So

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<v Speaker 2>and also in my mind was like, okay, New England

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<v Speaker 2>Pagers just won a Super Bowl and they picked me

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<v Speaker 2>first rounder. I can't let them down. So all that

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<v Speaker 2>drove me. And I know how I work, in the

0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:32.480
<v Speaker 2>work I put in with study and stuff, it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be a problem for me to hit the field

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<v Speaker 2>and start making plays. I just needed to understand the

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<v Speaker 2>system I was in, and I think by year three

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<v Speaker 2>that's when I really got a hold of what it

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<v Speaker 2>took to be a nose tackle. In his defense, and

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<v Speaker 2>from year three on it was history.

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<v Speaker 3>Ted Washington is the only guy in that locker room.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been here for twenty three seasons. He's the only

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<v Speaker 3>guy that ever scared the ever living crap out of me.

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<v Speaker 3>I was frightened of him, you know, just as personal aside.

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<v Speaker 3>I can tell you a long story but for another podcasting. Right, So,

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<v Speaker 3>but you have you know, you have Keith obviously, who

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<v Speaker 3>was instrumental in you guys learning.

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<v Speaker 2>But you got Richard.

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<v Speaker 3>Seymour on the one side, Ty Warren on the other

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<v Speaker 3>just to be part of that, I mean, probably the

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<v Speaker 3>greatest defensive line team history.

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<v Speaker 2>I would thank you no question.

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<v Speaker 3>Just what was it like to be out there with

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<v Speaker 3>all those you know, you got Brew and Ravees and

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<v Speaker 3>it is behind you, I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Ty Long and then the second like, man, what a

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<v Speaker 2>defense man? Let me tell you something. Me and Ty

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<v Speaker 2>we talked about this and we didn't realize when we played,

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<v Speaker 2>but I would put our front three against any front

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<v Speaker 2>three in history in the third or four to two

0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:51.080
<v Speaker 2>gap of defense, I'll put us up against it. It

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<v Speaker 2>didn't matter. I don't care who you come talk to, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care who you bring up. I would put

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<v Speaker 2>that three up against anybody. Hey, what we had up front?

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<v Speaker 2>You had three first rounders, and then don't forget Jarvis

0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:09.560
<v Speaker 2>Green the second round, and that he was he was

0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:13.200
<v Speaker 2>our our hybrid. You know, if Richard need to blow

0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:14.720
<v Speaker 2>a tidy, need to broke, he come in. But he

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<v Speaker 2>was our third down specialist, so we knew. And then

0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:20.600
<v Speaker 2>we had third down. We had five, but you had

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<v Speaker 2>we had Brew and we had Ted or Ted Johnson

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle, and then we had Willie McGinnis and

0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:29.719
<v Speaker 2>Mike Rabel and don't forget Roosevelt was over you see.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you go on the back end, you got

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<v Speaker 2>Ty locking down one side, you got a Sante Samuel

0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:37.040
<v Speaker 2>and Pool on one side. Then you got Wilson in

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<v Speaker 2>the back, and you had Harrison. So yes, our defense

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<v Speaker 2>was stacked.

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<v Speaker 1>So Vince to that point. Okay, And I think a

0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:48.520
<v Speaker 1>lot of Patriots fans have been talking about this. It

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't get the run that maybe it should get nationally. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I take nothing away from it, but offense sells. Everybody

0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:58.919
<v Speaker 1>loves the quarterback, and there's nobody greater than Tom. But

0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:02.040
<v Speaker 1>that defense, you're now starting to see maybe a little

0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:04.480
<v Speaker 1>bit of movement. It took them a while. Ties in

0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:06.720
<v Speaker 1>the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Richard had to be

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<v Speaker 1>knocking for a few years. Do you finally see some

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<v Speaker 1>movement nationally that maybe you guys are getting the respected

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<v Speaker 1>You understand that defense.

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<v Speaker 2>Deserves You have to. You have to because if you

0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:25.280
<v Speaker 2>look at those players, not only they changed offenses we

0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:28.399
<v Speaker 2>played against, but we had a lot of teams and

0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:31.720
<v Speaker 2>defenses try to mimic what we did defensively. So we

0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:35.399
<v Speaker 2>was a trendset of all this new era stuff that guys,

0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:38.200
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden you start seeing running the thirty

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<v Speaker 2>four defense in sentate five, you know, or sending four

0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:44.280
<v Speaker 2>like we started all that. They tried to figure out

0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:46.560
<v Speaker 2>what we were doing. So they took what we were

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<v Speaker 2>doing and try to implement it in their system. You see,

0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:54.080
<v Speaker 2>but you just can't. It got to be both. You

0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:55.399
<v Speaker 2>got to know how to coach and you got to

0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:56.960
<v Speaker 2>know how to play it. It has to be both.

0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:59.480
<v Speaker 2>You can't have one in the other. And we had both.

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<v Speaker 2>We had defensive minding coaches. We had Romeo Cameo and

0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:05.919
<v Speaker 2>we had Bill Belichick that was back in the days

0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:10.480
<v Speaker 2>New York. They coached together. And then with the saving

0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:12.680
<v Speaker 2>in Alabama, So you look at Alabama what they do

0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:16.359
<v Speaker 2>and in college, So that Tree, that Parcelles Trigg, that

0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:21.040
<v Speaker 2>Bill Belichick Trigg is everywhere. And what we did defensively,

0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:24.120
<v Speaker 2>A lot of people don't like it because we wasn't flashy.

0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:27.760
<v Speaker 2>We wasn't flashed, you see, a lot of people didn't

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<v Speaker 2>like it because we didn't have the big plays like that. No,

0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:36.840
<v Speaker 2>we was very very consistent at being consistent.

0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:40.600
<v Speaker 1>Last year in the Hall of Fame ceremony when Richard

0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:44.439
<v Speaker 1>went in, Bruski was there, and Bruski there was a

0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:49.439
<v Speaker 1>panel discussion and it was Ty Warren, Willie McGinnis and

0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:53.280
<v Speaker 1>Richard Seymour and Brusk goes, let me stand behind them,

0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:55.640
<v Speaker 1>and he stood behind them for a second. He goes,

0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:58.639
<v Speaker 1>nobody can see me. And he comes up in between

0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:00.439
<v Speaker 1>me goes, what do you think I think it was

0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:03.520
<v Speaker 1>like playing linebacker when these guys were here. Yes, you

0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:07.200
<v Speaker 1>guys did all the work. Rabel, Bruce, Ki, etc. They

0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:09.199
<v Speaker 1>just show you they cleaned up. Thanks for what you

0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:09.680
<v Speaker 1>guys did.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we you know. And this is two gapping isn't fun.

0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:18.600
<v Speaker 2>I means you have to be a man to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to two gap. And if you really want to

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<v Speaker 2>see what type of players you have, and how tough

0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:28.360
<v Speaker 2>and if you have some dogs or not make them

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<v Speaker 2>two gap Because I remember talking with Randy Moss before

0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:34.399
<v Speaker 2>and I was explaining him about two gap between two

0:21:34.480 --> 0:21:37.560
<v Speaker 2>gaping then four to three penning trading. I said, listen, Randy,

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<v Speaker 2>I can put you in the nine technique, in the

0:21:40.160 --> 0:21:43.800
<v Speaker 2>one gap, and you can get the job done. Who

0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:45.720
<v Speaker 2>you are right there. You can get the job done

0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:47.280
<v Speaker 2>and you don't have to touch nobody. You could just

0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:49.200
<v Speaker 2>run up feel and you just try to find the ball.

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<v Speaker 2>You can do that, I say, But if I put

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<v Speaker 2>you in the five where you got to put hands

0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:57.640
<v Speaker 2>on somebody and control two gaps, that changes. So I say, yeah,

0:21:57.880 --> 0:22:00.480
<v Speaker 2>a lot of guys get a lot of credit and

0:22:00.600 --> 0:22:03.439
<v Speaker 2>a lot of recognition of these quarterback sacks and just

0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:06.320
<v Speaker 2>running the field. I say, but what we did, it

0:22:06.359 --> 0:22:09.399
<v Speaker 2>takes a real man to do that. And not only

0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:13.399
<v Speaker 2>once you're talking about for sixty minutes. You're talking about

0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:16.359
<v Speaker 2>for a season, and you talk about for a career.

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<v Speaker 2>So time and time and time and time. We don't

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<v Speaker 2>get no plays off. If it's a pass play, we rushing,

0:22:25.119 --> 0:22:28.080
<v Speaker 2>we banging their heads, run play, we fighting doubles, triple

0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:31.800
<v Speaker 2>we button head. If you one gaping, you can run

0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:34.560
<v Speaker 2>on the air and don't have to touch her soul.

0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:37.919
<v Speaker 2>You know, if you one gap him, if God misses

0:22:37.960 --> 0:22:40.600
<v Speaker 2>their block with you, you scott free. You only got

0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:43.119
<v Speaker 2>that one gap to worry about. But if you're telling

0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:46.119
<v Speaker 2>me you can't run around this guy, you got to

0:22:46.160 --> 0:22:47.920
<v Speaker 2>go through him. You got to control this. You got

0:22:47.920 --> 0:22:50.159
<v Speaker 2>to knock him back. And you got these two gaps

0:22:51.160 --> 0:22:53.760
<v Speaker 2>day in and day out. That's defense.

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<v Speaker 1>And but what's sexier? And what we know?

0:22:58.000 --> 0:22:58.040
<v Speaker 2>What?

0:22:58.280 --> 0:22:59.600
<v Speaker 1>What what are the guys look at?

0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:03.520
<v Speaker 3>You know, That's what I was gonna ask. Ever any

0:23:03.560 --> 0:23:05.359
<v Speaker 3>resentment mean, did you guys ever go to Bill and

0:23:05.440 --> 0:23:07.639
<v Speaker 3>just say hey, you know, just hey, we got the

0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:10.399
<v Speaker 3>lead here, you know, turn the sluice a little bit here.

0:23:10.480 --> 0:23:12.320
<v Speaker 2>No, Bill done it good? He you know what. Bill

0:23:12.400 --> 0:23:14.240
<v Speaker 2>used to give us some bones here. And we got

0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:18.280
<v Speaker 2>to a point where Bill trusted us enough, you know,

0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:20.200
<v Speaker 2>and Bill knew what he had. Bill knew he had

0:23:20.240 --> 0:23:23.920
<v Speaker 2>three first rounds basically for a first rounder with Jarvis. Yes, up,

0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:27.000
<v Speaker 2>Bill that we can control the game. Once we get

0:23:27.040 --> 0:23:29.159
<v Speaker 2>to a level in the game, he can let us

0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:30.680
<v Speaker 2>loose and he can give us a bone. We had

0:23:30.680 --> 0:23:34.159
<v Speaker 2>some plays where he'll call just for us, just to

0:23:34.160 --> 0:23:37.080
<v Speaker 2>get us excited. You know. So I wouldn't never say

0:23:37.119 --> 0:23:40.320
<v Speaker 2>Bill never, you know, didn't unleash us. He had. And

0:23:40.359 --> 0:23:42.440
<v Speaker 2>it was games where Bill come in there and say,

0:23:42.480 --> 0:23:45.960
<v Speaker 2>straight up, listen, this game gonna be one up front.

0:23:46.160 --> 0:23:48.960
<v Speaker 2>If y'all can't win, we lose. He told us straight up,

0:23:49.400 --> 0:23:52.080
<v Speaker 2>if you guys can't do this, we lose. He wasn't

0:23:52.080 --> 0:23:54.159
<v Speaker 2>nothing about Tom. He wasn't nothing about no office. It

0:23:54.160 --> 0:23:56.919
<v Speaker 2>wasn't nothing about scoring points. He told us straight up,

0:23:57.359 --> 0:24:00.000
<v Speaker 2>if you three can't do this, we won't.

0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:03.360
<v Speaker 1>Well, I've got one that's probably gonna come up on Saturday.

0:24:03.400 --> 0:24:04.919
<v Speaker 1>And only because I was talking to him and it

0:24:04.960 --> 0:24:08.680
<v Speaker 1>was a teammate of yours. And Devin told me that

0:24:08.800 --> 0:24:12.600
<v Speaker 1>you said before the ravens AFC Championship game. It wasn't

0:24:12.600 --> 0:24:15.760
<v Speaker 1>Bill saying it. He said, you said it, And you said, guys,

0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:19.159
<v Speaker 1>this one's on us the front seven. We got the

0:24:19.240 --> 0:24:22.600
<v Speaker 1>run covered. Yeah, it was Cedric Maxwell. Jump on my back,

0:24:22.840 --> 0:24:25.080
<v Speaker 1>he said, jump on my back. I'm going to take

0:24:25.119 --> 0:24:27.600
<v Speaker 1>care of you guys. And he said the next day

0:24:27.640 --> 0:24:31.320
<v Speaker 1>after the win that Bill was in the auditorium going

0:24:31.359 --> 0:24:33.719
<v Speaker 1>over the tape and he looks and he just circled.

0:24:33.760 --> 0:24:38.639
<v Speaker 1>He goes, this is a dominating performance. Twenty eleven, a

0:24:38.760 --> 0:24:42.600
<v Speaker 1>two championship game. Eleven tackles a couple of sacks. I mean,

0:24:42.760 --> 0:24:45.359
<v Speaker 1>that's that's putting your money where your mouth is. Do

0:24:45.440 --> 0:24:47.280
<v Speaker 1>you think of that when you look back at your career,

0:24:47.280 --> 0:24:48.520
<v Speaker 1>evinces as one of your best games.

0:24:48.640 --> 0:24:52.480
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, And I like that game because of what it

0:24:52.600 --> 0:24:58.600
<v Speaker 2>meant for us. You know, we was coming up against

0:24:58.600 --> 0:25:02.880
<v Speaker 2>a team that we always it's a grind. We knew

0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:05.160
<v Speaker 2>what was gonna be physical. We knew they wasn't gonna

0:25:05.200 --> 0:25:08.119
<v Speaker 2>lay down they We knew that they was gonna match

0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:11.560
<v Speaker 2>whatever we put on the field. But in my mindset,

0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:14.840
<v Speaker 2>it was like, listen, we better than them. This is

0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:17.840
<v Speaker 2>our home turf, and we got it. Short playing and simple.

0:25:17.880 --> 0:25:21.600
<v Speaker 2>It's nothing else to talk about. So I knew going

0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:24.320
<v Speaker 2>in what it meant, and I knew how much the

0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:27.919
<v Speaker 2>team looked up to me, and they listen when I speak,

0:25:28.600 --> 0:25:31.560
<v Speaker 2>So I had to always be careful of what I

0:25:31.760 --> 0:25:35.639
<v Speaker 2>say when I say things, because I know they're gonna

0:25:35.720 --> 0:25:37.400
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna take what I said and this is how

0:25:37.400 --> 0:25:40.840
<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be. But I knew that game. I'm like

0:25:40.920 --> 0:25:42.959
<v Speaker 2>listen here, they're not gonna beat us because we're gonna win.

0:25:43.000 --> 0:25:45.040
<v Speaker 2>In up front, we don't want we don't want you

0:25:45.080 --> 0:25:47.080
<v Speaker 2>guys back there worrying about to run. And we got this.

0:25:47.640 --> 0:25:50.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't care if it's seven in the box or

0:25:50.680 --> 0:25:52.760
<v Speaker 2>six in the box, because it was times where we

0:25:52.800 --> 0:25:54.240
<v Speaker 2>had six men in the bike and we used to

0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:56.760
<v Speaker 2>call it big. Bill, tell us you guys have to

0:25:56.760 --> 0:26:00.240
<v Speaker 2>play big. We went short, okay, Coach, not a problem.

0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:03.000
<v Speaker 2>If that's the game plan, we would do that. And

0:26:03.080 --> 0:26:06.080
<v Speaker 2>I just knew how important that game was for us

0:26:06.400 --> 0:26:13.000
<v Speaker 2>as an organization, as a patriot, for our fans, and

0:26:13.080 --> 0:26:16.159
<v Speaker 2>being in front of our crowd, you know. And I

0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:18.440
<v Speaker 2>always looked over there too. They had ed Reed, they

0:26:18.480 --> 0:26:22.400
<v Speaker 2>had you know, Ray Lewis, they had a Loodinada, they

0:26:22.400 --> 0:26:23.040
<v Speaker 2>had a squad.

0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:23.800
<v Speaker 3>It was a great team.

0:26:24.800 --> 0:26:27.960
<v Speaker 2>You guys had some great wars, great wars. So I'm

0:26:28.000 --> 0:26:31.119
<v Speaker 2>saying it's us versus y'all. I don't care what you

0:26:31.160 --> 0:26:35.719
<v Speaker 2>do offensively, Tom, I really don't care. It's US versus

0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:40.200
<v Speaker 2>Ray and his defense period and what happened, right.

0:26:40.400 --> 0:26:43.600
<v Speaker 3>So when you go, you know, Randy Shannon told you

0:26:43.600 --> 0:26:44.960
<v Speaker 3>you're gonna be the first to win a ring. You

0:26:45.040 --> 0:26:48.680
<v Speaker 3>win it as a rookie. Oh, this is easy. And

0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:50.920
<v Speaker 3>I say this with all the respects, and I don't

0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:54.120
<v Speaker 3>want to come off as a spoiled Nordle Bostonian. Who Oh,

0:26:55.119 --> 0:26:57.560
<v Speaker 3>I had to wait ten years before I got another typle?

0:26:58.000 --> 0:27:02.240
<v Speaker 2>How was that? Ten years? Like from to fourteen? You

0:27:02.760 --> 0:27:04.880
<v Speaker 2>said it? Yeah, because that's the first thing I said.

0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:06.359
<v Speaker 2>I win it my first year. Because you got to

0:27:06.400 --> 0:27:08.679
<v Speaker 2>realize when I get down to University of Miami my

0:27:08.760 --> 0:27:11.840
<v Speaker 2>first year, we win it, right, we win it. So

0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:15.159
<v Speaker 2>the next year we go back Ohio State, we lost that.

0:27:15.200 --> 0:27:17.399
<v Speaker 2>We all know what that is. So here I am,

0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:19.080
<v Speaker 2>my first year in the league as a rookie, I

0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:22.680
<v Speaker 2>win another one. So to me winning easy. And guess

0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:25.360
<v Speaker 2>what I've lost? What three game? Four game in college?

0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:28.439
<v Speaker 2>So it's like I'm used to winning. That's gonna happen

0:27:28.520 --> 0:27:31.960
<v Speaker 2>all the time. Year one go by, we don't make it,

0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:34.800
<v Speaker 2>your two go by, we don't make it your three.

0:27:34.840 --> 0:27:36.440
<v Speaker 2>We go by it. So now I'm scratching my head.

0:27:36.440 --> 0:27:39.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, man, jeez, I thought that's gonna be easy,

0:27:39.800 --> 0:27:43.199
<v Speaker 2>you know. So you start appreciate what you've done and

0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:45.520
<v Speaker 2>what you've accomplished and how hard it is to.

0:27:45.520 --> 0:27:47.280
<v Speaker 1>Win because the other guys you're getting paid too.

0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:50.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it's like, okay, it ain't that easy, you know.

0:27:50.119 --> 0:27:53.040
<v Speaker 2>So I had to humble myself like Okay, this don't

0:27:53.040 --> 0:27:54.960
<v Speaker 2>come by all the time like that. So that's why

0:27:55.080 --> 0:27:57.280
<v Speaker 2>what I would say to the Patriots fans is this,

0:27:58.320 --> 0:28:02.960
<v Speaker 2>for two decades, we ran the NFL. Nobody would never

0:28:03.000 --> 0:28:07.119
<v Speaker 2>see this again while we're living. I truly believe that

0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:11.760
<v Speaker 2>we ran it. We need to appreciate what's been done

0:28:13.280 --> 0:28:17.320
<v Speaker 2>and how it was done over these past two decades.

0:28:18.240 --> 0:28:21.560
<v Speaker 1>Can you now that you're out of events? You know,

0:28:21.720 --> 0:28:23.680
<v Speaker 1>Bill talks about it all the time. Bill's asked all

0:28:23.680 --> 0:28:25.480
<v Speaker 1>the time, Oh Bill, what about this? What was your

0:28:25.480 --> 0:28:27.080
<v Speaker 1>favorite thing? And he goes, It'll be time to think

0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:30.440
<v Speaker 1>about that when it's over. It's now over for you.

0:28:30.480 --> 0:28:32.320
<v Speaker 1>Can you look back at that kind of with a

0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:36.000
<v Speaker 1>clear head and go, holy smokes, look at what we accomplished.

0:28:36.240 --> 0:28:38.960
<v Speaker 2>Yes, And that's as I was planning. I never could.

0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:43.040
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't even allow myself to. But when I retired,

0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:47.520
<v Speaker 2>and I tell people, it's like when I was in

0:28:47.760 --> 0:28:54.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, my my train it got started rolling early

0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:56.840
<v Speaker 2>in my life because of just what I've been through

0:28:57.560 --> 0:29:00.400
<v Speaker 2>and it only sped up. You know, when I got

0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:02.959
<v Speaker 2>to the NFL, I couldn't stop. You know, I couldn't

0:29:02.960 --> 0:29:06.239
<v Speaker 2>stop my train. My train was rolling. And when your

0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:08.680
<v Speaker 2>train roally, you don't have time to sit back and

0:29:08.720 --> 0:29:11.520
<v Speaker 2>see who's all getting on and getting off the train.

0:29:11.680 --> 0:29:14.680
<v Speaker 2>Because you're the conductor. You have to you have to drive.

0:29:14.760 --> 0:29:17.680
<v Speaker 2>You have to make sure that train stay on track right.

0:29:18.280 --> 0:29:21.360
<v Speaker 2>But soon it's over, that train stops and then you

0:29:21.360 --> 0:29:23.520
<v Speaker 2>can step off and you can look back and say,

0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:26.960
<v Speaker 2>I've been to all these places, I done, did all

0:29:27.000 --> 0:29:31.280
<v Speaker 2>of this. Now you have a satisfactory of seeing dang,

0:29:31.320 --> 0:29:35.040
<v Speaker 2>I can't believe I did this. But that only happens

0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:38.360
<v Speaker 2>when it's over. And I'm not talking about when the seasons,

0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:39.960
<v Speaker 2>so I'm talking about when your career is though, when

0:29:40.000 --> 0:29:42.400
<v Speaker 2>you have time where you can sit back and understand

0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:46.120
<v Speaker 2>what you really accomplish. And that's that's where I'm at. Now.

0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:49.080
<v Speaker 2>You have to put it in perspective, and that's what

0:29:49.120 --> 0:29:49.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing.

0:29:49.680 --> 0:29:52.440
<v Speaker 3>So, do you have one that maybe stands out, you know,

0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:55.040
<v Speaker 3>one of those games, one of those titles, one of

0:29:55.080 --> 0:29:57.400
<v Speaker 3>those moments that stands out for you above.

0:29:57.120 --> 0:30:00.360
<v Speaker 2>The one that stands out to me is the it's

0:30:00.640 --> 0:30:05.840
<v Speaker 2>what the the second Giants lost? What as eleven? Yep,

0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:08.920
<v Speaker 2>that one stands out to me the most, and that

0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:11.440
<v Speaker 2>one right there hurt me the most.

0:30:12.240 --> 0:30:14.240
<v Speaker 1>Because we're show than the first Giants.

0:30:14.320 --> 0:30:21.000
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, yes, because I thought the third Hooper Bowl,

0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:23.920
<v Speaker 2>the second one we lost with then on eleven, I

0:30:23.960 --> 0:30:28.200
<v Speaker 2>thought that team we had was a team full of

0:30:28.280 --> 0:30:31.440
<v Speaker 2>guts and grind. I mean we were some grinders. I

0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:35.680
<v Speaker 2>mean we were tough. We was mentally tough. And also

0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:40.520
<v Speaker 2>I feel that at that moment, that was my defense.

0:30:41.680 --> 0:30:46.280
<v Speaker 2>You see my handprint, My handprints was on that defense

0:30:46.320 --> 0:30:50.760
<v Speaker 2>at that time. So when I delivered messages and when

0:30:50.800 --> 0:30:53.040
<v Speaker 2>I spoke to guys and when we talk and we

0:30:53.120 --> 0:30:56.720
<v Speaker 2>had meetings, they were locked in. I remember when I

0:30:56.760 --> 0:31:00.200
<v Speaker 2>was looking at Chong and just how he was looking

0:31:00.240 --> 0:31:05.200
<v Speaker 2>at me. It was like I saw fire. It was

0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:08.000
<v Speaker 2>like he could have ran through that brick wall if

0:31:08.000 --> 0:31:10.720
<v Speaker 2>I were told him and see it. Get me, get

0:31:10.760 --> 0:31:14.440
<v Speaker 2>me kind of going now, because that's one that got

0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:18.840
<v Speaker 2>away from us. Because that team, that team was a

0:31:18.880 --> 0:31:22.360
<v Speaker 2>great football team and also be coming off of Myra,

0:31:22.960 --> 0:31:25.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, her death, so we had all that bottle.

0:31:26.200 --> 0:31:30.720
<v Speaker 2>Everybody wanted to win for mister Craft and Myra so

0:31:30.880 --> 0:31:33.240
<v Speaker 2>and we had it all even like being we had

0:31:33.280 --> 0:31:36.440
<v Speaker 2>it all like going to that Super Bowl. Bill told listen,

0:31:37.160 --> 0:31:40.880
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna work where we're gonna also enjoy ourselves in

0:31:40.920 --> 0:31:41.440
<v Speaker 2>this moment.

0:31:41.600 --> 0:31:43.640
<v Speaker 1>And I remember that you remember that though it was

0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:45.560
<v Speaker 1>a oh seven, that wasn't the case.

0:31:46.160 --> 0:31:47.360
<v Speaker 2>No, you guys seven.

0:31:47.560 --> 0:31:49.400
<v Speaker 3>You guys were from the moment we got on the

0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:51.080
<v Speaker 3>plane to go with O seven, we were all up

0:31:51.080 --> 0:31:54.160
<v Speaker 3>tight right right, And I felt like you guys were

0:31:54.280 --> 0:31:56.400
<v Speaker 3>visibly up tight yep all week.

0:31:56.280 --> 0:31:59.560
<v Speaker 1>And I remember in the hotel lobby in eleven it

0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:01.560
<v Speaker 1>was a differ for look you wa wait a minute,

0:32:01.800 --> 0:32:03.600
<v Speaker 1>Bill went to the Thursday night party.

0:32:03.840 --> 0:32:06.680
<v Speaker 3>And I don't mean this to sound, you know, disrespectful.

0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:09.160
<v Speaker 3>I think out of the Super Bowl teams that you

0:32:09.240 --> 0:32:11.760
<v Speaker 3>were part of in that we were around, that was

0:32:11.800 --> 0:32:13.920
<v Speaker 3>one of the lesser talented ones. But the way you

0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:16.880
<v Speaker 3>describe it with with the grittiness and the toughness, I

0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:19.640
<v Speaker 3>would agree with. But I mean, you guys had jewels

0:32:19.640 --> 0:32:22.040
<v Speaker 3>back in the secondary, like chasing guys around in the

0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:24.800
<v Speaker 3>AMC Title game like that team just got by on

0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:28.120
<v Speaker 3>like you know, got him, got to it, just like

0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:31.000
<v Speaker 3>Kevin Garnett Britain Balls.

0:32:31.240 --> 0:32:33.080
<v Speaker 2>You know, you know, we was a younger group.

0:32:33.120 --> 0:32:37.920
<v Speaker 1>We had a young you know, Nao, Cody, It's like.

0:32:38.080 --> 0:32:40.800
<v Speaker 2>We were young, but they had the right mindset and

0:32:40.800 --> 0:32:44.240
<v Speaker 2>an attitude. And you can win with that. You you

0:32:44.280 --> 0:32:46.120
<v Speaker 2>can win with guys you can coach and you can

0:32:46.120 --> 0:32:48.600
<v Speaker 2>teach and that's willing to learn and willing to listen.

0:32:48.800 --> 0:32:52.640
<v Speaker 2>You can win with that. And that's why I say

0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:55.520
<v Speaker 2>that Super Bowl was probably one of the hardest games

0:32:55.520 --> 0:32:55.800
<v Speaker 2>for me.

0:32:56.280 --> 0:32:58.040
<v Speaker 1>Okay, we got to wrap things up here in a second,

0:32:58.080 --> 0:32:59.200
<v Speaker 1>so I'm going to finish with this one.

0:32:59.280 --> 0:32:59.520
<v Speaker 2>Vince.

0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:02.680
<v Speaker 1>The reason why we're here is because this weekend you

0:33:02.720 --> 0:33:04.840
<v Speaker 1>get to be inducted into the Patriots Hall of Fame.

0:33:05.440 --> 0:33:06.560
<v Speaker 1>What does that honor mean to you?

0:33:06.600 --> 0:33:09.320
<v Speaker 2>Vince? You know, I I just spoke on being able

0:33:09.320 --> 0:33:12.240
<v Speaker 2>to stop that train and look back with all you know,

0:33:12.320 --> 0:33:16.440
<v Speaker 2>everything you've been through, and it says a lot about

0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:25.720
<v Speaker 2>my teammates, the fans, staff, everybody that's affiliated with this organization.

0:33:28.160 --> 0:33:33.920
<v Speaker 2>I am humble and honored to get this accolade. And

0:33:33.960 --> 0:33:36.680
<v Speaker 2>this is for all of us. It's not just for me,

0:33:37.440 --> 0:33:40.320
<v Speaker 2>it's for every fan that's out there. At at I

0:33:40.400 --> 0:33:42.880
<v Speaker 2>stepped on that field, and I looked up in those

0:33:42.920 --> 0:33:46.160
<v Speaker 2>stands that I c I can badly hear each other

0:33:46.200 --> 0:33:50.360
<v Speaker 2>giving the calls, the music that we play, the excitement

0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:53.240
<v Speaker 2>that came from the fans day in and day out,

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<v Speaker 2>every Sunday, Monday, Thursday. They were there. They never left us.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, That's what this is for. And that makes

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<v Speaker 2>me feel good because I'm going into the Patriots Hall

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<v Speaker 2>of Fame not only by myself, but with all of

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<v Speaker 2>my fans and everybody else that I ran and encountered

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<v Speaker 2>with through the course of my career. So this is

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<v Speaker 2>a moment that I'm always going to cherish, and.

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<v Speaker 1>This will for all of us well said, well deserved.

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<v Speaker 1>And I hope you have a hell of a time

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<v Speaker 1>this week, and I hope you can. I hope you

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<v Speaker 1>can smell the roses.

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<v Speaker 2>And enjoy it. Oh will you will enjoy it.

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