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Speaker 3: all go through our fair share of hurdles. My goal

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Speaker 3: thank you to her sponsor at Nike four Connecting us

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Speaker 3: Please meet my new best friend. Her name is Elise Curney.

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Speaker 3: She's an extraordinary human. We just went on a run

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Speaker 1: wasn't ideal, but I think that really set me up,

442
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Speaker 1: you know, even for this year. Like I said, getting

443
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Speaker 1: injured six weeks before the trials, I think in some

444
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 1: ways it helps you when you've been there before. And

445
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 1: I think a really helpful mindset is just really having

446
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Speaker 1: that faith and trust that you're going to come back stronger.

447
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 2: That's such a hard thing to really.

448
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Speaker 1: Believe, but believing that you know there is something good

449
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Speaker 1: to come out of it. Sometimes a little extra rest

450
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Speaker 1: or doing some cross training or doing something different, or

451
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Speaker 1: a space and time for something else in your life

452
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 1: for a little bit can be like really reinvigorating, and

453
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Speaker 1: I think gives you. I feel like through all my

454
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Speaker 1: comeback comebacks from like injuries or some overtraining gives me

455
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 1: such a refreshed perspective on running too. It really puts

456
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Speaker 1: it into you know, kind of what you were saying earlier.

457
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Speaker 1: When I say I get to do this, it's like

458
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Speaker 1: I get to go for a run. And I think

459
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Speaker 1: that's a really special power that comes, you know, when

460
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Speaker 1: you're coming back from an injuries. Instead of like, oh,

461
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Speaker 1: I have to get out the door today, it's like, well,

462
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Speaker 1: a couple of months ago or a couple of years ago,

463
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Speaker 1: when I was injured, I was I wish more than

464
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Speaker 1: anything that I could go for a run. So now

465
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Speaker 1: it's like I'm not going to complain about a double

466
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Speaker 1: or a run or what the weather's like because I

467
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Speaker 1: get to go out and run. And I think having

468
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Speaker 1: that mindset is has been really huge for me.

469
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that I get to mindset.

470
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Speaker 3: And it's so impressive also to get to that point

471
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Speaker 3: where you can kind of wrangle yourself in when you're like, oh,

472
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Speaker 3: I don't want to. It can be both, right, you

473
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Speaker 3: can still not really be in the mood to go

474
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Speaker 3: do whatever you have to do, sure, but you can

475
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Speaker 3: have in Okay I don't want to, but I get to.

476
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

477
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely both. It's not like, yeah, it is.

478
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you pointed that out because I'm not like

479
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 1: popping out of bed every day, like, yeah, I get

480
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 1: to do this like a lot of days are. But

481
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Speaker 1: you know, and I think that's the piece too of

482
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Speaker 1: you never regret a run that you go on, Like

483
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Speaker 1: anytime I finish, even if it was hard to drag

484
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Speaker 1: yourself out the door or the weather was bad, I'm

485
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Speaker 1: never like, ah, I wish I didn't do that run.

486
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Speaker 1: It's just you always feel so much, so much better after.

487
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Speaker 2: So much better now.

488
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Speaker 3: You as I said at the top of this two

489
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Speaker 3: time Olympia, so gearing up for Paris this year, you

490
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 3: knew you were going to have a wildly different experience

491
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Speaker 3: when you got to the Games than you did in Tokyo.

492
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Speaker 2: What was different, Yeah, Oh my gosh, so much. You know.

493
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Speaker 1: It's funny to look back on Tokyo because that was

494
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Speaker 1: my first global team and so that's all that I knew.

495
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 1: But being in Paris this year, it was crazy to

496
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 1: look back and think, wow, we ran in a stadium

497
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Speaker 1: with no people like and it seemed normal at the

498
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,640
Speaker 1: time because that's we're just happy that, you know, there

499
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Speaker 1: was an Olympics that was being held but I would

500
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Speaker 1: say the biggest thing was having my family there and

501
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 1: that was just so special, and feeling the whole energy

502
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Speaker 1: of the city. I think that was, you know something,

503
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Speaker 1: looking back in Tokyo, it wasn't just in the stadium,

504
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Speaker 1: it was the whole you know, we didn't really get

505
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Speaker 1: to leave the village or see anything else. And being

506
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Speaker 1: in Paris, it was like you could feel the energy

507
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Speaker 1: of the entire city around all of the different events,

508
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Speaker 1: and even just the energy in the village. I think

509
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Speaker 1: that's something that I'll always remember, just walking past people

510
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Speaker 1: from all different countries, all different sports and being in

511
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Speaker 1: this one place and you know that everyone has Again,

512
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Speaker 1: I think I just love the different stories and journeys,

513
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Speaker 1: the different paths that people take to get where they are,

514
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Speaker 1: and it's so cool to think that everyone in that

515
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: village had a different story, a different way they got

516
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Speaker 1: into their sport, how it has impacted their life, and

517
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Speaker 1: just being able to share that.

518
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Speaker 2: It's just it is such.

519
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Speaker 1: A community event, and the Olympics bring so many people together,

520
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 1: like fans, spectators, athletes, et cetera.

521
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Speaker 3: A community event, but a also communal understanding of what

522
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 3: it took to get to that point. And I can

523
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 3: only imagine what it's going to be like to be

524
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 3: surrounded by so many people who are on the verge

525
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 3: of chasing their own potential.

526
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Speaker 2: And I want to read something that you wrote.

527
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Speaker 3: You said after your final the focus on the outcome

528
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 3: alone caused me to miss a lot of what Jared

529
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 3: and I have been working on this year. How do

530
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 3: we define success? Who are the people sitting around my table?

531
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Speaker 3: Are we embracing vulnerability and the unknown? Focusing on the

532
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Speaker 3: outcome alone caused you to miss a lot of what

533
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Speaker 3: you had been working toward.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know when you ask about this last year too,

535
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Speaker 1: I think it's always easy to just focus on a

536
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Speaker 1: time or a place and to discredit yourself for maybe steps.

537
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 2: That you've made.

538
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: And I'm sure you know, for you, I'm sure there's

539
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: marathons where it's like maybe you ran slightly slower, but

540
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,439
Speaker 1: you battled through a lot more, or there was a

541
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Speaker 1: lot more in the build up, or it's not necessarily

542
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: shown in the outcome. And I think I'm so grateful

543
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: for my coach Jared for really focus having us focus

544
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: on that this year of you know, when I started

545
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Speaker 1: working with him in March, he was like we need

546
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Speaker 1: to think about how we define success outside of an outcome,

547
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 1: and that's just so important. We thought about, Okay, how

548
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: do you want to race? And that's such a different

549
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: type of disappointment. I feel like it felt like, Okay,

550
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: you're disappointed at first right after the Olympic final, but

551
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 1: the ability to then be fired up and get momentum

552
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 1: and move forward was so much better because it was like, well,

553
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Speaker 1: I took risks and I race in a way that

554
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: I never have on the global level, and maybe to

555
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 1: other people that looks like it's about the same place

556
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Speaker 1: that I've been at a few World Championships or Olympics before.

557
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: But taking that step back, like we've been talking about

558
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: and saying, wow, I've grown a lot as a person

559
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: an athlete, and that may not be reflected in the

560
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: exact place or time, but being like, I'm doing myself

561
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: a huge disservice to not realize like the steps and

562
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: the growth that happen, even if it can't be seen

563
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: always in the outcome.

564
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 2: Remember when you wanted what you have?

565
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Speaker 3: Now that you mentioned the phrase to other people, what's

566
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 3: your relationship with that in that? Okay, I just read

567
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 3: you an except from a post that two hundred and

568
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 3: fifty six people liked what's your relationship with the other

569
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 3: people and also how you feel about what you're doing?

570
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's such a I think that's something that

571
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 1: I've still been working on. And you know, even when

572
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 1: you read that talking about the vulnerability piece to and

573
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: wanting to share that with other people, but also you know,

574
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: wanting to still focus on you know, as I said,

575
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: the people at my table and the people that are

576
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Speaker 1: in my corner and.

577
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 2: Who's at the table? Great question? Can you tell me

578
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 2: who's at the table one day? Can I be at

579
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: the table? Yes? Who's at the table?

580
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Speaker 1: I would say my parents, my two sisters, a few

581
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: of my friends, and then Jared, my sports psych You know,

582
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: people that you feel like really have your best interests

583
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 1: in mind and are a part of that journey. When

584
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: you talk about that, it's like kind of that balance

585
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: between being vulnerable and wanting to hopefully, you know, help

586
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: other people by being vulnerable of like what you're going

587
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 1: through and running, but also knowing that you know, the

588
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: people that aren't at the table or seeing that whole journey,

589
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: like it's okay if they don't understand or they think

590
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: you know you didn't perform where they thought you would,

591
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: and I think that's something that has definitely been hard

592
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: for me to work through. But again, just like really

593
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: leaning on the people that are there the whole time

594
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: and see the ins and outs and the ups and downs.

595
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 2: Things on that.

596
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 3: The first thing is understanding that there are going to

597
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 3: be points in life where people leave the table. Yeah,

598
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 3: and that is really challenging, right, especially when you want

599
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 3: them at the table. But there are going to be

600
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 3: points where, because of the growth that you're enduring, because

601
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 3: of where you're trying to go, who you want to be,

602
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 3: that you have to evaluate who's at the table and

603
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 3: that's challenging. And then also I love the sentiment of

604
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Speaker 3: if you're not at the table, this isn't about you.

605
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 3: That concept of the table is something that I think

606
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 3: is so helpful for so many. It's similar to that

607
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 3: idea of having your own personal board of directors. It's like,

608
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 3: who's on the board of directors? Who can I look

609
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 3: to in my good times and in my bad times? Right,

610
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Speaker 3: because you can do good times with anyone, but you

611
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 3: can't do bad times with everyone. So who's at the table,

612
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,959
Speaker 3: who's on your board of directors and really applying that

613
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 3: to how you take feedback as well, because taking feedback

614
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 3: from someone that's not at the table, I mean, you

615
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 3: might be able to learn something, but you have to

616
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Speaker 3: remember that they're not inside what's going on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's such a good I was just going to

618
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Speaker 1: say that. My dad used to say when I was

619
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Speaker 1: in high school. He's like, at least you can't take

620
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Speaker 1: people are trying to be helpful, and like you said,

621
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Speaker 1: there are things that you can learn. But he's like,

622
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Speaker 1: you can't take what everyone says to you at face value.

623
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Speaker 1: You have to, you know, kind of be like, Okay,

624
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: these are the people that know more of the story,

625
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: and so their advice I'm going to take a little

626
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Speaker 1: more seriously. And I think there's a really important process

627
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Speaker 1: in figuring that out too, of like, Okay, these are

628
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Speaker 1: I'm living my life or in what which I'm pursuing

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Speaker 1: these goals or whatever it may be. Yeah, because otherwise

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Speaker 3: with your purchase today. Kind of go back to that

660
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Speaker 3: concept of like not taking criticism from someone who you

661
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Speaker 3: wouldn't go to for advice, which is challenging when there

662
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 3: are so many eyes on you. I speak like to you,

663
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Speaker 3: not necessarily to me, although I recognize that there are

664
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Speaker 3: a certain amount of eyes on me, and I take

665
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Speaker 3: responsibility for that, But I always come back to that

666
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Speaker 3: when that criticism comes in, I'm like, okay, like let's

667
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 3: not put too much weight in this. Yeah, you don't

668
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Speaker 3: know this person. They probably they might think they know you,

669
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Speaker 3: but they don't know you. You don't know your heart,

670
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Speaker 3: they don't know your intention. So you just got to

671
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Speaker 3: like live and let go. You mentioned the word goals.

672
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Speaker 3: I want to talk about goals. You obviously have had

673
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Speaker 3: this goal to perform on the world stage like this

674
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 3: for such a long time, so so certainly something to celebrate.

675
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Speaker 2: I know.

676
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Speaker 3: You also mentioned at one point that you have a

677
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Speaker 3: goal of running under two minutes in the eight hundred.

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Speaker 2: And one day.

679
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Speaker 3: You also want to tow the line for a marathon.

680
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Speaker 3: You've set a lot of crazy goals in your life.

681
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Speaker 3: I'm really pulling them out of the woodworks here for you.

682
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Speaker 2: Yeah, bring me back, girl. I am deep in my.

683
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Speaker 3: Least crammy like knowledge podcast listening and so with that,

684
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Speaker 3: someone who's listening to this and has their own big, hairy, scary,

685
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 3: audacious goals, as Shaline would say, what do you do

686
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 3: when you set those goals? How do you start to

687
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Speaker 3: implement them? Do you have a process of working backward?

688
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Speaker 3: Talk to me about what your goal setting process looks like,

689
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Speaker 3: whether or not these goals have anything to do with

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Speaker 3: your sport.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would say.

692
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Speaker 1: I really like first setting that big, that big scary

693
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Speaker 1: outcome goal. Then I like to identify why is this

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Speaker 1: a goal for me? And I think that's really important

695
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Speaker 1: because I think there have been times where I think

696
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: it's easy to get caught up and oh, I'm setting

697
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Speaker 1: this goal because I think it's what I want to do,

698
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Speaker 1: but maybe it's what I think is expected of me,

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Speaker 1: And so I really like to sit down and say

700
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Speaker 1: why is this important to me? Why do I want

701
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Speaker 1: achieve this goal? What's going to keep me coming back?

702
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Speaker 1: And then I think along those lines, I also set

703
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Speaker 1: a lot of like steps and process goals to get there,

704
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Speaker 1: So how are you going to get there? And I

705
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: think that's what is most helpful for me, because I

706
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: think you can't. This is just like you know you're

707
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 1: talking about earlier. You can't force your relationship with running.

708
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: It's I think I've gone through periods in my career

709
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: where I'm so focused on the outcome goal and I

710
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: have such a tight grip on it that it's just

711
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: it takes away the joy and it leads you to

712
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 1: get injured or make decisions that are not smart because

713
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Speaker 1: you're coming from a place of fear and like, I

714
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Speaker 1: have to reach this goal. And so I think setting

715
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Speaker 1: steps and process goals along the way really helped for

716
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Speaker 1: me to get that perspective and look at it more

717
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Speaker 1: as like, Okay, this is a long term goal, but

718
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Speaker 1: what can I focus on today? What can I focus

719
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Speaker 1: on in the next month? And you know, it can

720
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Speaker 1: be something as simple as trying to get a little

721
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Speaker 1: more sleep, or it can be you know, trying to

722
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Speaker 1: find that consistency and stay healthy. And I think for me,

723
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Speaker 1: the smaller I can kind of break it down, it

724
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Speaker 1: makes the goal seem more attainable and exciting, and it

725
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Speaker 1: allows you to get momentum, which I think is really

726
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: important when you're getting a goal, when you can see

727
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: progress and steps toward making instead of feeling like you're

728
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Speaker 1: twenty steps away.

729
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 3: Good on you for identifying that it can be easy

730
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Speaker 3: to get swept up on the glitz and the glamour

731
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 3: of someone else's goal simply because you relate to them

732
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 3: in some way. That is probably one of the most

733
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Speaker 3: challenging aspects of social media. It's like, yes, at times

734
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Speaker 3: it can be very helpful and a good place, but

735
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 3: other times it goes back to our chat about the

736
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 3: comparison as the thief of joy. Right, you see someone

737
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 3: and they're doing something that looks really exciting, and you're like, oh,

738
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Speaker 3: maybe I want to do this exciting thing too. But

739
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Speaker 3: if you can't sit down and identify your personal why

740
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Speaker 3: as to why you want to go after that thing,

741
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 3: then that thing probably isn't for you. You also use

742
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Speaker 3: the word smart just now when talking about goal setting.

743
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 3: I'm sure you've heard heard of this before. The acronym

744
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 3: for smart goal setting specific measurable, attainable, realistic time bound.

745
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 3: I want to bring it to that example that you

746
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Speaker 3: said of, like, I want to get more sleep, So

747
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Speaker 3: if we're going to make a smart goal. It's like

748
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Speaker 3: I want to get seven hours of sleep a night.

749
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Speaker 3: Maybe someone that's like their specific goal that they want

750
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Speaker 3: to come out with. You then have to ask yourself

751
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Speaker 3: a question like, Okay, is this realistic for me? If

752
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Speaker 3: you're someone who's currently getting five hours of sleep a

753
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Speaker 3: night and then you want to set this goal to

754
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Speaker 3: get seven, probably not that realistic right off the bat,

755
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Speaker 3: But maybe your smarter goal would be I'm going to

756
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Speaker 3: get five and a half hours of sleep and work

757
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 3: back from there and ask yourself to your point, what

758
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Speaker 3: are the small incremental changes that I can implement that

759
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 3: are actually realistic for me so that I can get

760
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Speaker 3: to where I want to be based on where I'm

761
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Speaker 3: currently at. Yeah, And that just goes back to what

762
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Speaker 3: we were talking about, being honest with where you're at

763
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Speaker 3: so that you can get to where you want to go,

764
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Speaker 3: whether it's with your smart goal of sleeping five and

765
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Speaker 3: a half hours a night or it's running sub two

766
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Speaker 3: minutes in the eight hundred.

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Speaker 2: That resonates with me so much.

768
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Speaker 1: I actually just my coach Jared and I we started

769
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Speaker 1: last year. He's like, I want you to come up

770
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: with a mission statement. For the year, and so I

771
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: just came up with mine for like the following season.

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Speaker 2: Oh, enlighten. Yeah, and it's just it's right on this point.

773
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Speaker 1: I feel like I started it with recognize where you're at,

774
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: because I think for me especially, it's kind of I

775
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: mean everything you just said, Yeah, when you're at the Olympics,

776
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 1: everyone's standing on the line wants to win a medal,

777
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: But it's like recognizing where you're at and knowing that

778
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: that's not discrediting you know, or saying you're never going

779
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: to get there. But I think the way that you

780
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: train and race and set those goals, you have to

781
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Speaker 1: come to terms and be honest about where you're at,

782
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: because you know that allows you to race smart, That

783
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 1: allows you to get the most out of yourself instead

784
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: of trying to race someone else's race just because you're

785
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: gonna throw yourself in it. For me, that's something that

786
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: I really want to focus on this year is recognize

787
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: where I'm at, be curious about where I'm going. You know,

788
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: you're not putting limits on yourself, but you're also being

789
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: honest about where you're at, which I think is the

790
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: first step to really getting where you want to go.

791
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,720
Speaker 2: Where are you at? Seriously, where are you at? Yeah?

792
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I guess I'm just working on yeah, approaching

793
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: it with that curiosity and joy again and being okay

794
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: with recognizing where you're at and having those big goals,

795
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 1: but again being excited and curious to go after them

796
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: instead of coming from a place of fear. Like I said,

797
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: I think for a while, I kind of lost sight.

798
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: You know, we were talking about the beginning, but a

799
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: little bit of my why and got caught up in

800
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 1: the comparison, and I think that led to a lot

801
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,959
Speaker 1: of you know, racing with like that panic and fear

802
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: and anxiety, and again that really takes a toll on

803
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: one's relationship with running. And so I think, you know,

804
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: that's been really fun for me this fall is being settled,

805
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: you know, being with a coach, being in Colorado, being

806
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: near my family and feeling you know, safe in that,

807
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: and feeling excited about just exploring again and being curious

808
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: about where I can go and kind of taking that

809
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 1: pressure off or loosening.

810
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Speaker 2: The grip on those goals.

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Speaker 1: And it's like I still have those big outcome goals,

812
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: but there's so much more focus on the day to

813
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: day and you know when we talked about you know,

814
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: injuries or setbacks, like for me this year, that also

815
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: looks like being really consistent. And sometimes you know, when

816
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: you're setting goals, it is small things like you said,

817
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: like getting half hour more of sleep, or it doesn't

818
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: have to be big things. I think for a while

819
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Speaker 1: when I was setting goals, I thought, I need to

820
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: do something big in training, I need to increase my mileage,

821
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: or I need to do so much more intensity, And

822
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 1: a lot of times I feel like it's that puzzle

823
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: and it's just moving those dials ever so slightly. Maybe

824
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 1: you reaching your goals and running or life are actually

825
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: something completely outside.

826
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Speaker 2: Of work or running.

827
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: Maybe you need to meet up with friends once more

828
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: week and that's going to fill your cup. And so

829
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: I think kind of thinking even outside the box a

830
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: little bit on those goals of it doesn't necessarily have

831
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: to be so training or performance focused, but it's like, wow,

832
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Speaker 1: what are ways that I could be more balanced or

833
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: happy in life, or get a little more sleep, or

834
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: spend a little bit extra time with myself journaling or

835
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. And so I think, yeah, along

836
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: with the goals, like sometimes it is just really small

837
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: things that can make a big difference.

838
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Speaker 2: Yeah, can I do an exercise with you? Yeah?

839
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 3: Because I asked you, like where am I at? And

840
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 3: you were like, well, I think I'm here.

841
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

842
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 3: And something that I do on big work days and

843
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 3: honestly any day where like anxiety is really like coming

844
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 3: for me by the throat. I write down things that

845
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 3: are like I AM statements, and there are statements that

846
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 3: I know to be true. It's like I sit down

847
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 3: with you and it's I am someone who has a

848
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 3: podcast that's in the top one percent of podcasts globally.

849
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 2: I am someone that is confident, I am.

850
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 3: I AM capable, right, And so I'm almost curious as

851
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 3: to what your I AM statements are. And I'd also

852
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 3: love it if you could just give me some facts

853
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 3: in there. So it's like I am the record holder

854
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 3: for the five k indoor I am fill in the blank.

855
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 2: So hit me with some of your I AM statements.

856
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 2: Oh man, you're really testy. I'm here for you.

857
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 3: I'm but I'm like here to hype you up because

858
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 3: you are so excellent and you've come so far and

859
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 3: so knowing the journey and having some context on that

860
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 3: from you, it's like sometimes I feel as though it's

861
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 3: so helpful for someone listening to be like, yeah, but

862
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 3: Alisa's I AM statements too.

863
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that's super helpful. And I think I'll get

864
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: to the im statements and one I'm like, don't don't

865
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: you dare try to skip my question. Shoot, I'm not avoiding,

866
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: I know, but I think it's funny when you say that.

867
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: You know, even when you start it and you're like,

868
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: two time olympian, it's just so easy to forget. And

869
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: I think a lot of us do that. It's like

870
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,439
Speaker 1: you have goals and then you're onto the next one

871
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: and you kind of it's very easy to forget that.

872
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 2: And I think that's important. So I appreciate that.

873
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: Okay, let's see, I am the indoor American record holder

874
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Speaker 1: in the five k.

875
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 2: You're making me very uncomfortable by forcing me to do

876
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 2: this my purpose.

877
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: I am a two time Olympian, I am a four

878
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: time USA champion. I'm courageous, I am curious, I am strong,

879
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: I am gritty, I am resilient.

880
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 2: I know why am I emotional? I am emotional? How

881
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 2: does it make me feel very vulnerable? But how does

882
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 2: it feel? But how does it feel to say things

883
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 2: like that, and.

884
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: It feels vulnerable, but it feels really good. And I

885
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: love that you brought up the IM statements and I

886
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: do feel like that's something that I started doing a

887
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: bit more at the beginning of this year. And I

888
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: think the facts, like you said that ground you, but

889
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: also the things that again aren't related to like something

890
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: you've achieved, you know, Like I love that, like that

891
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: I am curious, I am courageous, Like that's when I

892
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: come back to a lot, is I AM resilient or

893
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: I AM gritty? Because I think, you know, that's something

894
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 1: that those I AM statements can apply to anything in life.

895
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: And I can use them in the middle of a workout,

896
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 1: in the middle of a race, but I can also

897
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: use them, you know, if I'm injured or just any

898
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: like you said, even if you're going to do something

899
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: completely outside of running and you're anxious or nervous about

900
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: it or it's out of your comfort zone. I think

901
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 1: those are things that you can come back to. And

902
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: just recognizing those, I think is, yeah.

903
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 2: What does gritty mean to you? Man?

904
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 3: That was my favorite. I mean the other I AM

905
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 3: statements two time Olympian, I like love those, but I

906
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 3: love I am gritty and I really resonate with that.

907
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 2: So what does gritty mean to you? Yeah, I just

908
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 2: love I love that word.

909
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: I think to me it means I think it kind

910
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: of encompasses, you know, courage and resilience.

911
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 2: To me, it's it's scrappy.

912
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: It's like you just keep showing up and you're going

913
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: to give your best no matter what. And it can

914
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: be a good day or a bad day. I forget

915
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: that what the exact quote is, but it's something about

916
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: having a B plus day when you were maybe going

917
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: to have a C minus day. So it's it's so

918
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: easy to have an A or A plus day when

919
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: you're feeling good and everything's going right. But I think

920
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: gritty to me means like when the odds are stacked

921
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: against you, or you've had, you know, a setback, or

922
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: you're not in a great spot, being able to bring

923
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: yourself back and still get it done. And maybe that

924
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 1: doesn't look as pretty or as shiny or as flashy,

925
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: but you're still showing up and you're still getting it done.

926
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 2: And you know, I think that even goes a little.

927
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: Bit to the vulnerability pieces, like you can show up

928
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: to a race and not be in the best shape

929
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: of your life, and you're going to be vulnerable out

930
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: there and it may not be what you want, but

931
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,240
Speaker 1: you're still going to fight for every spot in place,

932
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: even if you want to be fighting for top five

933
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: and you're fighting for Top twenty or wherever it may be.

934
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: And so I think it's recognizing where you are and

935
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: not being afraid to show up, even if it's not

936
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: necessarily where you want to be or where you know

937
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: you can be.

938
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, someone goes to your Instagram page, they see someone

939
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 3: who is a two time Olympian, a pro runner for Nike.

940
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 3: You've got something like forty five thousand followers. That's what

941
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 3: they see when they look at your Instagram. When you

942
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 3: look in the mirror, what is it that you see

943
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 3: looking back at you.

944
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: Oh Man, Someone that I think really wants to help

945
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: and inspire the next generation of runners and people in general.

946
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 2: And I think I like to do that.

947
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I'm a huge vocal leader, but

948
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: I think I do. I want to do that by

949
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,720
Speaker 1: how I live my life and my approach to sport

950
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: and life in general. And so I think that's what

951
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: I want to see is someone that keeps showing up

952
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: and hopefully inspires at least one other person to do

953
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: the same, and you know, work through doubts or yeah,

954
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: self doubt in whatever it may be, whether that's running

955
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: or life or career relationships or anything.

956
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 3: I think it's safe to say that you've done that

957
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 3: with definitely more than one person. When you reflect on

958
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 3: the doubts and the challenges that you've had over let's

959
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 3: say the last five ten years, if you had to

960
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 3: identify what was the most challenging hurdle for you to overcome,

961
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 3: where does your mind go?

962
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: The biggest hurdle has been trusting myself, you know, as

963
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,720
Speaker 1: we talked about, I think just giving so much power

964
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: to other people. And I mean I vividly remember this

965
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: even when I was trying to decide on a college,

966
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: Like I was talking to my parents and I was like,

967
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: I wish someone could just tell me where to go.

968
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of been a big hurdle

969
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: that I've faced for a while, is looking to other

970
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: people to just tell me what to do and kind

971
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: of sometimes being debilitated by the freedom to you know,

972
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: choose a life path or decide where to go. And

973
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 1: I'm kind of proud of the last year of making

974
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 1: coaching changes and stuff, because I feel like it's really

975
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: been the first time where I started to trust myself

976
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: and trust that like, you know, even I mean this

977
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: is a very micro example, but even this year working

978
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: with Jared and just making small adjustments in training that

979
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 1: maybe aren't as like a typical outline, if that makes sense.

980
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: So it's like incorporating a little more cross training or

981
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: you know, doing things a little differently and not being

982
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: so rigid and stuck on following a specific path or

983
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: a specific training schedule or whatever it may be. And

984
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: I think that's been I think that's you know, very

985
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: tied to self doubt slash confidence, you know, as you

986
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: trust yourself more to make decisions and figure out what

987
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: you really want in life, not letting other people kind

988
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: of tell you again what your goal should be or

989
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:39,439
Speaker 1: what you want.

990
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 2: That's a big thing that I've been working through.

991
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 3: How does it feel that you are executing on this

992
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 3: evolution of trusting yourself?

993
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: It feels very empowering, which is again I think, you know,

994
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: when I decided to start working with my coach Jared

995
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: and March, that was something that I feel, you know,

996
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: as we talked about journaling or slowing down, I think

997
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 1: things can really come to you, which is nice.

998
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 2: And I feel like there was so much noise.

999
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: I didn't know what to do or where to be,

1000
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: and you're so focused on the Olympics are coming up.

1001
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: But I think when I slowed down and gave myself

1002
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: that time to it's to like listen and hear you

1003
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 1: know your that inner voice. You know that it's always

1004
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: been there, even when you sometimes feel like you're losing

1005
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: track of it.

1006
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 2: It's it's always there.

1007
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: That feels empowering to be like, Okay, I know it's

1008
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 1: always there, but there are times when I've ignored it

1009
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: or been too busy or haven't been in tune with it.

1010
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: And I think it's been really fun to get back

1011
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: in tune with it. And I think that builds momentum

1012
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: and confidence to really be like I know what I

1013
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: need or I know what works for me, and I

1014
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: think that really helps. We've talked about this a lot,

1015
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: but with the comparison piece, because I think you can

1016
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: be really so much more secure in your decisions and

1017
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 1: what you're doing, and it's there's way less of a

1018
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: temptation to look around and wonder what other people are doing,

1019
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: And I think you can operate from a spot of

1020
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: wanting to learn from other people and pick up things,

1021
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: but implement what you know, what maybe excites you or

1022
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: what you want to do, instead of taking everything at

1023
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: face value and trying to do something someone else's way.

1024
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 3: Kind of surreal for someone who runs a five k

1025
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 3: in fourteen thirty three seventeen to say it's important to

1026
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 3: slow down.

1027
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's.

1028
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 3: Flowing down has changed everything for you, And it's not

1029
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 3: always easy. But most of the things in life that

1030
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 3: are the most worthwhile and the most rewarding, they're not

1031
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 3: going to be Yeah, And that is a lesson that

1032
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 3: for maybe you and me and many other listening to

1033
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 3: this podcast they've learned through their relationship with movement. But

1034
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 3: it doesn't need to be through movement. It just needs

1035
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,399
Speaker 3: to be through the choice that you make to show

1036
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 3: up for yourself and say I am willing to get

1037
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 3: comfortable with the uncomfortable.

1038
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And it's hard. It's hard. It's hard, it's

1039
00:49:58,120 --> 00:49:58,720
Speaker 2: really hard.

1040
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 3: As we wind down here, you what are you excited

1041
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,439
Speaker 3: about right now? Tell me what are you excited about

1042
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 3: right now?

1043
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 2: Else? Wow?

1044
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 1: I mean we talked about I saw you in Chicago

1045
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: and then being here in Austin. I've had so much

1046
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: fun just reconnecting with the running community again and being

1047
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: in different spots where I think being out in Bolder

1048
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: too like running with new people. Being a professional, it

1049
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: can sometimes be so feel like you're just in the

1050
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: professional running world, and then you realize there's this whole

1051
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: community out there, and so that's been really fun for me.

1052
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: Had a lot of it's been a struggle, but a

1053
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: lot of growth and change in my mindset, even just

1054
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: since the Olympics, and I'm excited to get on the

1055
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: line and be excited to race again and be having

1056
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: a mindset to be, you know, curious about what I

1057
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: can do. And I think that already just feels so

1058
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 1: much more freeing in terms of my approach to training

1059
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 1: in life, and so I'm excited to put that into action.

1060
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 3: You point out something that I think is really important,

1061
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 3: and it's this concept that when you can find the

1062
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 3: joy in what you're doing, it's just going to be

1063
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 3: such a different experience.

1064
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 2: And you talked about so many of these years where

1065
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 2: you were.

1066
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 3: Struggling with your relationship with running, and now it's so

1067
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 3: clear in the way that you talk about your sport

1068
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 3: that the joy has given you such a gift, And

1069
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 3: I think that's so important because so many people are

1070
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 3: using it at times, whether it's running or something else,

1071
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 3: they just do it because they feel like they're supposed to.

1072
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 3: So to be able to find the joy what a

1073
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 3: beautiful lesson in showing up for yourself, identifying your why,

1074
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 3: and being like, this is what feels good for me,

1075
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:37,879
Speaker 3: so I'm going.

1076
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 2: To do it.

1077
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's great again. I think that's a

1078
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 1: part of trusting yourself too. It's like for some people

1079
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: a different approach works well, and I think I've tried that.

1080
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: I've tried to have that really tight grip or be

1081
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 1: super intense, or be you know, like whatever it is.

1082
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: When I look back even on my races from this year,

1083
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: the ones where I was like, obviously you're focused, but

1084
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: when I'm having the most fun and I'm was the

1085
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 1: most relaxed, I mean, even think back to, you know,

1086
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 1: just the difference at how I felt, you know, at

1087
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: the Trials versus the Olympics, and the Trials, I was

1088
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: spending so much time with my family, and I think

1089
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: there were times in my career where I was like

1090
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:14,720
Speaker 1: oh no, you have to like stay in the hotel,

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Speaker 1: you have to rest and all this stuff. But you know,

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Speaker 1: as we talked about like just filling your cup in

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Speaker 1: other ways, you know, owning and embracing that. It's like,

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Speaker 1: maybe that doesn't work for some people, but for me,

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Speaker 1: it's very like energy and life giving to be around

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Speaker 1: my family and then that allows me to show up

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Speaker 1: and be able to dig and go to those deeper

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Speaker 1: places when I'm coming from a place of joy and

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Speaker 1: excitement to be there.

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Speaker 3: That balance that you have found over the last year

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Speaker 3: is something that takes so many people so long to

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Speaker 3: figure out. And I'm not saying, although I hope this

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Speaker 3: for you, that it won't stay, but it is a

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Speaker 3: constant work Like it's like any good relationship, like you

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Speaker 3: need to put the work in so you have that balance.

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Speaker 3: So again, so commendable on you for getting to this

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Speaker 3: place because I think it's really reflecting and what you're doing,

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Speaker 3: and it makes me excited about what you're excited atout

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Speaker 3: final question, you have an opportunity right now, knowing what

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Speaker 3: you know now, to give yourself some advice back when

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Speaker 3: you were struggling with giving yourself permission to trust yourself.

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Speaker 3: What would you tell that younger version of yourself.

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Speaker 1: Slow down and identify what works for you, and whether

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Speaker 1: that be talking to the people at your table or

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Speaker 1: people that you trust or look up to like I

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Speaker 1: think there's you know, definitely an information gathering period of time,

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Speaker 1: and I think that helps with building confidence and trusting

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Speaker 1: yourself and looking to the people around you. But I

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Speaker 1: would say, don't be afraid to take risks and do

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Speaker 1: something different, being comfortable with the uncomfortable. And I think

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Speaker 1: I've always that's always a line that I repeat a

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Speaker 1: lot during workouts, but I don't think I necessarily for

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Speaker 1: a while thought about how that applies to just everything

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Speaker 1: in life. I would have told myself, you know, take risks,

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Speaker 1: don't be afraid of you know, walking into uncertain territory.

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Speaker 1: But you're going to discover a lot about yourself, and

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Speaker 1: you're going to grow, and you're going to find what

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Speaker 1: works and what doesn't work. And I think part of

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Speaker 1: that too, This is now a lot of too much advice,

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Speaker 1: but I never just seeing life or you know, chasing

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Speaker 1: after your goals again as you know, an iterative process

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Speaker 1: and a bit experimental. I think for a while I

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Speaker 1: was really hard on myself and focused on like needing

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Speaker 1: to get it perfect, and I think that can be

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Speaker 1: super debilitating and not lead you to trust yourself or

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Speaker 1: not lead you to take risks or try new things.

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Speaker 1: There isn't one path, and there's you know when you experiment,

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Speaker 1: and oftentimes finding what doesn't work gives you a lot

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Speaker 1: more information and is a lot more telling than finding

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Speaker 1: out what does work. And I think I would embrace

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Speaker 1: that more and not be afraid of that and not

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Speaker 1: feel that there were any sort of mistakes, but that

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Speaker 1: you know, failures or things learned is what led to

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Speaker 1: what led to the growth, and that's part of the process.

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Speaker 1: I was focused so much on trying to be just

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Speaker 1: stuck in that perfection perfectionist mindset that you miss out

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Speaker 1: on taking that risk and you're not able to trust

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Speaker 1: yourself or be willing to kind of I think it

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Speaker 1: narrows your vision. You're not able to see. Okay, there

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Speaker 1: are a lot of different paths to get to where

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Speaker 1: I want to be, and some of them are probably

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Speaker 1: more joyful and more fruitful than other paths.

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Speaker 2: So you should probably try to find that path as

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Speaker 2: best you can.

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Speaker 3: Your imperfection and your vulnerability is so appreciated because truly,

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Speaker 3: that's the good stuff.

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Speaker 2: That's it on.

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Speaker 3: Behalf of so many of us, including myself. Thanks for

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Speaker 3: offering it. I'm so happy that we were able to

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Speaker 3: do this for anyone who may not follow you just yet.

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Speaker 2: Give us the lowdown.

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Speaker 3: How do they keep up with you, how they fall

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Speaker 3: along with you on social what are the deats?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Well, I just want to say thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for having me on and giving me a space and

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Speaker 1: challenging me to be vulnerable.

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Speaker 2: Your questions definitely did that.

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Speaker 1: So I am on Instagram at least dot cranny, so

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Speaker 1: that's probably the best place to find me and stay

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Speaker 1: up to date.

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Speaker 3: And stay up to date, I'm over at Emily a

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Speaker 3: Body and at Hurdle Podcast Another Hurdle Conquered.

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Speaker 2: Catch you guys next time.