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Speaker 1: All about cord cutting and Amazon's fireTV. What's going on?

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Speaker 1: I'm rich Damiro. This is rich on Tech. Joining me

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Speaker 1: today is Elias Saba. He is the creator of aftvnews

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Speaker 1: dot com. Thanks so much for joining me.

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Speaker 2: Good to be here.

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Speaker 1: So fan of the website, obviously, you are kind of

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Speaker 1: the king when it comes to all things Amazon and

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Speaker 1: Amazon devices. Tell me how you started this site and

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Speaker 1: what you concentrate on.

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Speaker 2: Well, essentially started because I was out of a job,

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Speaker 2: didn't really want to polish my resume and start, you know,

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Speaker 2: going out there looking for another job. Want to see

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Speaker 2: if I could start my own thing, give myself a

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Speaker 2: little more flexibility. The fire TV, the very first one,

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Speaker 2: back in twenty fourteen, was released. I was interested in it.

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Speaker 2: I bought it. I liked it. I thought there was

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Speaker 2: a lot more you could do with it, a lot

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Speaker 2: more that people didn't know about. And so I started

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Speaker 2: the site just kind of on a whim, almost out

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Speaker 2: of just boredom, started writing about it, and it slowly

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Speaker 2: started picking up speed, and then you know, started growing,

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Speaker 2: and just kind of been doing it ever since. And

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Speaker 2: now it's my full time job and never touched that

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Speaker 2: resume since it is literally every day. I wake up

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Speaker 2: every morning see what happened while house as sleep to

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Speaker 2: see if there'snything I need to cover, and then I

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Speaker 2: go from there, and when there's nothing new to cover,

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Speaker 2: I try to figure out interesting things people would want

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Speaker 2: to know about or want to do with fire TV devices.

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Speaker 1: So Amazon has this new device, the fireTV Recast, which

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Speaker 1: is sort of a DVR for your local over the

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Speaker 1: air channels. What do you make of this device?

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Speaker 2: I think it's a pretty good device. It's not the

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Speaker 2: be all, end all best DVR over the air solution

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Speaker 2: out there, that's for sure. You know, they're still missing

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Speaker 2: a few key features here. It still needs a little

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Speaker 2: bit of polish, especially on the software side. I think

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Speaker 2: the hardware is really solid. It gives you what you want.

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Speaker 1: There two tuners HD recording. You can record two shows

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Speaker 1: at once or four shows right depending on the one

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Speaker 2: There are two models. There's a five hundred gigabyte two

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Speaker 2: tuner model and then there's a one terrible four tuner model.

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Speaker 2: With that four tuner model, you can record four things

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Speaker 2: at once with the two tune or two things. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: both of them are limited to streaming to only two

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Speaker 2: devices at once, regardless of which one you buy. So

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Speaker 2: you can technically be watching two pieces of content that

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Speaker 2: same time. So there's six different things going on there,

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Speaker 2: but you can only watch from two different devices simultaneously.

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Speaker 1: Set up process. How do you think they did on that,

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Speaker 1: like just physically setting up? And what do you need

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Speaker 1: for this to work?

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Speaker 2: So what you need is the fire TV recast. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: you technically don't need a fire TV because the fire

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Speaker 2: TV recast is compatible with smartphones, so you can watch

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Speaker 2: the content through an Android or an Apple smartphone or

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Speaker 2: a tablet. You can also watch through an Amazon Echo Show.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of cool, so I can have an Echo

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Speaker 1: Show on my desk and that could literally be a

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Speaker 1: little TV that I can just keep a live stream

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. If you've got that Echo show device and

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Speaker 2: you say that voice assistant name that al Exa, and

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Speaker 2: channel will pop right up. You can even tell it

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Speaker 2: will just automatically record that show for you. You can

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Speaker 2: ask it to bring up your recordings that you've already

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Speaker 2: recorded and either use the touchscreen or use your voice.

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Speaker 2: So if you've got the device sitting there in the kitchen,

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Speaker 2: you can be cooking something or washing the dishes and

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Speaker 2: just use your voice to pull up anything that you've

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Speaker 2: recorded or anything that's airing live over your broadcast channel.

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Speaker 2: So there is that aspect of it. If you do

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Speaker 2: content on your television right now, you have to have

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Speaker 2: a fire TV device. Any Fire TV model that has

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Speaker 2: with this, So it isn't you don't have to buy

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Speaker 2: you have an Apple TV, or any of those competing

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Speaker 2: media streamers right now, they're not compatible. Amazon has hinted

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Speaker 2: that there are they're considering adding support and being able

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Speaker 2: That's probably going to be where their focus is going

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Speaker 1: So when this thing first came out, I thought it

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Speaker 1: was pretty amazing because I'm a big TV guy. I

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Speaker 1: used to be. I mean I back in two thousand

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Speaker 1: a huge fan probably until about I don't know, maybe

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Speaker 1: five or six years ago, and I kind of just

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Speaker 1: gave up on it, like altogether one hundred percent. And

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Speaker 1: now I'm a cord cutter, and I love this idea

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Speaker 1: because the station I work for KTLA is the only

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Speaker 1: through direct TV now, and so I thought this was

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Speaker 1: a great way to kind of plug that open hole, right.

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Speaker 1: But the one thing I noticed is that you cannot

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Speaker 1: download a show from the recast to your device, which

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Speaker 1: to me is the killer is the killer feature, Like

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Speaker 1: if I take a plane flight, I just want to

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Speaker 1: download a show like a couple comedies from you know,

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Speaker 1: local new or local show or maybe some local newscasts, whatever,

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Speaker 1: sports game. Who knows? Why can't I do that with

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Speaker 1: the fire with the recast?

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Speaker 2: Well, most likely the answer to that is because Amazon

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Speaker 2: didn't have time to add that feature in. That's That's

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Speaker 2: probably the main reason I've heard the exact same feedback

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Speaker 2: from from my readers where they all kind of want

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Speaker 2: that feature. I myself, I'm actually planning to to take

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Speaker 2: apart at the Fire TV recast see if I can

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Speaker 2: get to that hard drive inside to see if there's

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Speaker 2: actually a way, you know, for for the the really

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Speaker 2: you know, geeky enthusiast out there who wants to get

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Speaker 2: nitty gritty with with it, you probably will be able

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Speaker 2: to pull off that content. Amazon has said they've They've

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Speaker 2: told me that they don't they don't protect the recordings

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Speaker 2: in any way. They're not copy protected. They just don't

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Speaker 2: provide any kind of interface, any kind of way to

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Speaker 2: get to that content. So whatever's coming out of the antenna,

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Speaker 2: it's just getting recorded to a regular old rob video file.

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Speaker 2: And so if there's some way to pull that file off,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna be able to watch it offline on your devices.

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Speaker 2: It's just I think Amazon just hasn't had the time

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Speaker 2: in an external hard drive into the Fire to recast

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Speaker 2: to expand the internal storage, so it has that five

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Speaker 2: hundred gigabyt or one terrorbyte hard drive built into it.

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Speaker 2: And so if you want to record even more than that,

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Speaker 2: those hard drives for people wondering, the five hundred gigabyte

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Speaker 2: will record seventy five hours of HD content, whereas the

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Speaker 2: one terabyte will double that to one hundred and fifty hours.

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Speaker 2: And so if that's not enough for you or you

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Speaker 2: want to save that, you know, you know that that series,

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Speaker 2: that ten ten year long series, and you don't want

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Speaker 2: You'll soon be able to plug in a hard drive

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Speaker 2: and record onto that hard drive. And now a feeling

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Speaker 2: once they're able to do that, Now you've got this

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Speaker 2: content kind of free floating away from the recast. So

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Speaker 2: you might be able, we don't know yet, to plug

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Speaker 2: We'll have to see, you know again, don't hold your breath. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but it's that TiVo.

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Speaker 1: I feel like TiVo always made it so complicated. Even

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Speaker 1: when you could, you know, attach an external drive, You're

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Speaker 1: never able to just tap into those recordings, pull them all.

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Speaker 1: There's just no way you had to use their special

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Speaker 1: something ridiculous. Well, let's hope that Amazon does not go

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Speaker 1: down that path. So the other thing about this device

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Speaker 1: is it too late because we have people getting into

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Speaker 1: the world of cord cutting, but they've kind of found

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Speaker 1: a lot of these solutions. So if someone gets this,

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Speaker 1: I don't really need all those channels. I just kind

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's too late because the fire TV

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Speaker 2: recast basically it fills a hole that these other services

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Speaker 2: don't provide. Like you were saying, there's no way to

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Speaker 2: get your local you know, KTLA broadcasts from these big

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Speaker 2: and so really, if you want all that content, you know,

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Speaker 2: connecting antenna to a device like the fire TV recast

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Speaker 2: the fire TV recast is there for you, and so

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Speaker 2: it's not meant to basically be the reason you cut

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Speaker 2: the cord necessarily, although it can be. You know, some people,

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Speaker 2: I can see a lot of people who will basically

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Speaker 2: be happy just streaming from Prime Video, from Netflix, from

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Speaker 1: Telling about the fireTV at large, this is this is

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Speaker 1: a pretty big player on the streaming platforms. You've got

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Speaker 1: the Apple TV, You've got the fire TV, You've got Roku,

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Speaker 1: and sort of Chrome cast. Android TV as a platform

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Speaker 1: is kind of like not really there anymore. We haven't

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Speaker 1: on the Chrome Cast. So where do you see this

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Speaker 2: I mean, I do personally think to the best because

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Speaker 2: running the whole site on it, but it's definitely not

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Speaker 2: the best for everybody. The streaming media player you know,

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Speaker 2: market right now is very you know, split between all

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Speaker 2: of these advices, Like you said, the fire TV, the Rokus,

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Speaker 2: and the Apple TV's kind of are the three big ones.

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Speaker 2: Andrew TV is still there. They've got you know, Nvidia

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Speaker 2: Shield TV is a very good, good product, but it

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Speaker 2: is on the pricey side and it does quite a bit,

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Speaker 2: but for most people they don't need all that functionality.

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Speaker 1: The biggest difference that I can think of at this

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Speaker 1: point is that fire TV has a web version of YouTube.

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Speaker 2: There's no service that isn't available on there as much

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Speaker 2: with the fire TV, you know, like you were saying,

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Speaker 2: there is that issue with YouTube, but it's almost a

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Speaker 1: All right? Elias Saba tell people how to get in

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