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Speaker 3: Covered what did I miss yesterday?

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Speaker 4: All right, welcome into another edition of the Patriots Training

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Speaker 4: Camp Cast. I Mike do So, joined by Tamara Brown

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Speaker 4: and Paul Perillo and guys. It's been an active twenty

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Speaker 4: four hours here, and I think right off the top,

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Speaker 4: we've got to mention Christian Barmore, Patriots making announcement last

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Speaker 4: night that he's I guess, suffering from blood clots. You know,

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Speaker 4: significant issue. We've seen this happen in the past with athletes,

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Speaker 4: but it seems like Christian barmore status is now kind

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Speaker 4: of being put on hold for the indefinite future, which

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Speaker 4: is just a big blow I think to the defense.

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Speaker 4: And of course you want Christian to be healthy, that's

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Speaker 4: the biggest thing. But we talk about the team here, Tamara,

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Speaker 4: this is this is a big blow anyway you cut it.

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Speaker 4: He's an important young player.

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Speaker 2: He's very important. I feel like two days ago, I

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Speaker 2: was just saying, Wow, this guy has the caliber to

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Speaker 2: so excited for him, especially after his contract and then

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Speaker 2: looking at the depth, Mike, you're always someone who's bringing

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Speaker 2: that up. With this defense, there's no one behind Judean,

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Speaker 2: There's no one behind Barmore that you think could play

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Speaker 4: So we jumped into practice and we got to move

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Speaker 4: on and you know, today's first day of pads, very

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Speaker 4: exciting usually, and we saw some one on ones Paul.

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Speaker 4: But the big picture, I think that we watched practice separately,

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Speaker 4: so you know, we come to this without without conferring.

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Speaker 4: But I thought an Okada for the number one offense

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Speaker 4: they hit a couple plays there. It wasn't overwhelming, it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I did think there were some times

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Speaker 3: But I did like some of those plays that they hit.

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Speaker 4: Well let's jump right into its marre. I mean, I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, Paul, what about you? What was your take?

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Speaker 3: you can decide if you want to be a cross

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Speaker 2: Paul and I liked that he did that when Joe

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it felt like it kind of had built up.

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Speaker 4: I mean there's been there stars, Yeah, false starts. There

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Speaker 4: I didn't love seeing this. Jabill Peppers got banged up.

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Speaker 4: went back in. He did not finish practice. We had

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Speaker 4: And probably the thing that most people are wondering about is,

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Speaker 4: you know, we're watching first padded practice. Matthew Judon comes

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Speaker 3: Not a great sign.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, yeah, it's not a great sign. And I

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Speaker 2: just wonder too, does it help when you're signing someone

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Speaker 2: like Jabil Peppers like forty eight hours ago, seeing another

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Speaker 2: that build even more frustration? Obviously? I feel like on

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So for sure, there's a lot going on, and

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Speaker 4: we'll see what happens with Pepper's David Andrews. We mentioned

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Speaker 4: was out little trickle down effect. I think they're already

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Speaker 4: get into camp, guys start getting banged up. But hey,

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Speaker 4: we still just got into pads today. We've got we

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Speaker 4: So I think, to Paul's point, looking at some of

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Speaker 4: the mistakes, some of the things to clean up, maybe

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and it was good to see Antonio Gibson out

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Speaker 2: Yeah, seeing him dressed and actually participating was a good sign.

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Speaker 4: All right, Well that's going to do it for us

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Speaker 4: for another Patriots training camp cast. And folks, we've got

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Speaker 4: five practices down. We got i think eight more to go,

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Speaker 4: thirteen totals, so we're cruising right along. Pads are on,

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Speaker 4: so it just got a little bit more fun, so

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Speaker 4: be true. Sure to tune in again tomorrow for another

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