1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's 3 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 2: Chuck and it's just us. Almost said Jerry's here too, 4 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 2: but she's not. Instead, it's just us. I already said 5 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 2: that too, And this is stuff you should that's right. 6 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 3: And this was a listener's suggestion. So we wanted to 7 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 3: thank Holland le Mere who wrote in and said, guys, 8 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 3: I don't know if you had anything know anything about 9 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 3: the history of Lysol, the disinfectant, but it has a 10 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 3: pretty fascinating, weird history, and I think it would make 11 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 3: a good episode. And I think Holland was right on 12 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 3: the money. 13 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 2: Yeah. Also thanks to our buddy Kyle Hookstra, our British 14 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 2: writer holding it down in the UK for us, who 15 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 2: helps us out with this one too. 16 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 3: That's right. I love Kyle's articles because they are all 17 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 3: metric and there's even some to British spellings. He's like, 18 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 3: I'm not going to americanize it for you Trumps, just yeah, 19 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 3: figure it out. 20 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 2: Oh you like your z's ts for you, here's an s. 21 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 3: Aluminum. 22 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, so we're talking today about Lysol. Who 23 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 2: was that Holland great name. Yeah, hall ind suggested this. 24 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 2: And for those of you who don't know, Lysol is 25 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 2: a leading disinfectant brand in the West. I think it's 26 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 2: like the third best selling disinfectant in the United States. 27 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 2: It's Lysol. You know what I'm talking about, right, I do, sure, 28 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 2: I think most people do. And Lysol had a recent 29 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 2: I guess, a big jolt in its history, as most 30 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 2: disinfectants did, thanks to the pandemic, the COVID pandemic of 31 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 2: twenty twenty and twenty twenty one, where its sales just 32 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: went through the roof. Apparently it increased its sales by 33 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 2: twelve percent and just one year and they were producing 34 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 2: thirty five million cans, just the cans of Lyesol in 35 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 2: North America alone every month. That's how crazy people were 36 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 2: for Lysol. And yet when pandemic went away, people kind 37 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 2: of put their Lysol away as well. In their sales 38 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 2: storry to go down. And as we'll see, that's actually 39 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 2: kind of a good thing. 40 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 3: Probably. Yeah, And this is not a takedown or anything. 41 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 3: This is just we're gonna talk about some interesting history. 42 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 3: We talk a little bit about how all disinfectants work, 43 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 3: and we might even suggest some alternatives but you're sweet pippy. 44 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,959 Speaker 3: So the question of why do you want to disinfect 45 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 3: something in your house in the first place is valid? Well, 46 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:51,119 Speaker 3: it is because if you subscribe to the germ theory, 47 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 3: then you might think that disinfecting surfaces might kill a 48 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 3: virus that might be in your house. So that's a 49 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 3: reason right there, for sure. 50 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 2: I mean, that's the point of disinfectants, right and the way, 51 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 2: let's talk real quick about how they actually work, because 52 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 2: I find this fascinating. 53 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's on a cellular level, right, sure. 54 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 2: So there's a bunch of different ingredients in disinfectants, like lysol, 55 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 2: but some of them are more active than others. But 56 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 2: you can't overlook one in favor of another because when 57 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 2: you turn around and look, you're like, oh, that does this, 58 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 2: that does this, that kills this, that kills this. But 59 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 2: if you put all of it together, you have a 60 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 2: disinfectant that can kill microbes, that can kill viruses. A 61 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 2: lot of them are anti fungal. They're just they just kill, 62 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 2: like you said, on a cellular level. And one of 63 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 2: the ways that they do that, one of the main 64 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 2: ways they do it is by disrupting whatever outer layer 65 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 2: that microbe or that virus has that protects its inerds, 66 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 2: and by doing that, it's inerds spill out, go through 67 00:03:54,920 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 2: all sorts of horrible transformations, and the bacteria viruses like 68 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 2: uh A two lysol. 69 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 3: That's right, and lysol works like you know, all disinfectants 70 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 3: by doing that. But Lysol specifically developed one of the 71 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 3: first quats qu at s. We've talked about quats before 72 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 3: in terms of like pesticides, I think probably, yeah, I 73 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 3: feel like we've talked about that, okay, I believe you, 74 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 3: I just know you, okay. But they introduce a quat 75 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 3: in its formula in the eighteen eighties, a long long 76 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 3: time ago. Quats are it's short for is actually technically 77 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 3: qac YEA. It's spelled out quat because it's a quaternary 78 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 3: ammonium compound. And what they introduced in the eighteen eighties 79 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 3: was one called benzolconium chloride. Pretty active ingredient these days 80 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 3: and disinfectants very potent to all. Quats are rarey potent 81 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 3: against germs at pretty low concentrations I think is about 82 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 3: two point four percent is a sweet spot. But like 83 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 3: you said, you combine these with other stuff and you're 84 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 3: in business. In this case, if you combine it with alcohol, 85 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 3: there's a change that happens that makes it kill things faster, 86 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 3: kill more things. And lysol doesn't use that one anymore. 87 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 3: They use a different one now though, right. 88 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's evolved into benzalconium saccharinate. I think that's right. 89 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:37,559 Speaker 2: And it's essentially just almost a proprietary version of benzolconium 90 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 2: benzelconium chloride, right, But it's just different enough, as we'll 91 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 2: see that it makes lysol kind of its own thing. 92 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 2: And like you said, they add alcohol, and alcohol itself 93 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 2: is a germ killing machine, especially with viruses, because it 94 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 2: just it cuts right through the viral envelope and lets 95 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 2: all the DNA spill out or RNA, and viruses don't 96 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 2: like that kind of thing. One of the other things 97 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 2: that happens too. When the quad and ethanol combine, they 98 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 2: undergo a synergistic change essentially, and they do all sorts 99 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 2: of nasty stuff. Specifically, they d nature cells, which means 100 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 2: that they break the chemical bonds that hold the molecules together, 101 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 2: and again that's not good if you're a bacteria. 102 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, so like it, the cell wall kind of dissolves, 103 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 3: and then like you said, everything spills out and then 104 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 3: those proteins are just busted up. 105 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, they coagulate. Different proteins coagulate, which renders them totally useless. 106 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 2: It's not like they can go back to how they were. Like, 107 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 2: the poor bacterium is probably trying to keep its guts 108 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,559 Speaker 2: in and yet they're useless even if it could patch 109 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 2: itself up. 110 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, And a couple of things if you're talking about 111 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 3: the effectiveness of a disinfectant is concentration and the contact time. 112 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 3: So there has to be what's called an MIIC or 113 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 3: a minimum inhibitory concentration. I think we said two point 114 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 3: four percent is like, is the low concentration end where 115 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 3: it's still potent in the case of lyesol, And then 116 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 3: the contact time. If you read the I'm not even 117 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 3: saying just lyesol, but if you read any disinfectant, you 118 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 3: may see in five fine prints something like, you know, 119 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 3: spray and leave it on there for four to ten minutes. 120 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I saw wipes. Depending on which one you have, 121 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 2: it's four minutes or ten minutes. Is crazy. 122 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, And a lot of people don't know this, and 123 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 3: so if they use something like this in their house, 124 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 3: we don't. But if you do, you might just spray 125 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 3: it and wipe it off right afterward, thinking you're accomplishing 126 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 3: something you're not. 127 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: No. 128 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 2: I read an interview with the microbiologist who is saying, 129 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 2: like when I clean my house like this, like say 130 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 2: I'll spray a door knob, I just let it sit 131 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 2: for a minute before I wipe it off. And usually 132 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 2: with the spray a minute'll do it. But the point is, 133 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 2: it's not like it's just immediate disrupts all germs or 134 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 2: microbial life that it encounters on contact. It takes a 135 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 2: couple of minutes for it to really do its job essentially. 136 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, Well you want to. 137 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 2: Take an early breaker, Yeah, let's do it. Okay, we're 138 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 2: gonna take an early break and then we'll come back 139 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 2: and talk about the history of lysol. 140 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: Softy jobh so so Chuck. 141 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 2: I believe Holland said that lysol has a very interesting history. 142 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 2: And Holland was right. And it's a pretty old history too. 143 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 2: I think it was invented in eighteen eighty nine by 144 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 2: Gustav Roppenstrouk. 145 00:08:59,360 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 3: Nice. 146 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, did I get it? 147 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 3: Pretty dang good, buddy, Ziagut, Well, oh. 148 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 2: Thank you very much, And he was a German chemist, yes, 149 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 2: and he was like, you know, we've got all sorts 150 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 2: of infectious diseases. Most people call them diseases, and but 151 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 2: he just spoke really strangely, and he said, I'm going 152 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 2: to come up with something to help, specifically in the 153 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,119 Speaker 2: medical setting, a disinfectant that's going to save lives. 154 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 3: That's right Lyesol back in those days was fifty percent 155 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 3: creasole in soap, basically so pontified vegetable oil. I kind 156 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 3: of figured that was like lie from soap and sold 157 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 3: from the creasol is where you got lysol. But that's 158 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 3: not right either, is it. No? 159 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 2: And as a matter of fact, I have not seen 160 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 2: a definitive answer. 161 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 3: Oh, I thought you sent me something. 162 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 2: I did, and then I saw other stuff elsewhere that 163 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 2: undermined Oh, I guess it. The one that I'm on 164 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 2: is that the lie is short for lysis, which is 165 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 2: basically like destroying a cell, and then the saw is 166 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 2: short for solvent. That's what I'm on. But again there's 167 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 2: different interpretations. What's the one I sent you? You remember 168 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:16,599 Speaker 2: and know what you sent me? 169 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 3: Or no? Maybe, okay, maybe there's not. 170 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 2: Other interpretations. I've just totally lost my mind, and that's it. 171 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 3: It may be it. It was toxic back then with 172 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 3: that mixture. Cresol was a germ killer and it was 173 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 3: less poisonous what they had been using to disinfect things 174 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 3: like hospitals at the time, which was carbolic acid. So 175 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 3: it was a little bit better version of that, but 176 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 3: it was it was like a brown, a very brown color, 177 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 3: and it kind of kind of became the go to 178 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 3: antiseptic in the late eighteen hundreds for the medical community. 179 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, an eighteen ninety three report said, let's defend ourselves 180 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 2: in our homes against the Hama sidle microbe exclamation point 181 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 2: even and the British Medical Journal was on board that 182 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 2: went's still around, that's how legit this is. They were like, yeah, 183 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 2: use it on your skin, it'll treat lupus, but beware 184 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 2: because if you use it too much, it's kind of 185 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 2: caustic and it can crack your skin. And for the 186 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 2: longest time, essentially from invention until the nineteen teens, the 187 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 2: people who bought this stuff were medical professionals, and they 188 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 2: bought it in the ultra concentrated form. I think you like, 189 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 2: the smallest bottle would turn into two gallons when you 190 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 2: mixed it together with each other like you were supposed 191 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 2: to then so on and so forth, and it was 192 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 2: just a It was what they used for cleaning wounds 193 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 2: and all sorts of stuff like it was like the 194 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 2: original back Team, but way more caustic. 195 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, Things change in nineteen twelve, or started to 196 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 3: change in nineteen twelve when the AMA Council on Pharmacy 197 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 3: and Chemistry said, you know a lot of these patients 198 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 3: are screaming when we put it on their skin. It's 199 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 3: burning them, clearly because we have eyes and ears, and 200 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 3: this might be too dangerous for human use, so maybe 201 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 3: we shouldn't use it in hospitals. Lynn and Fink, who 202 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 3: were making Lysol at the time, were like, oh crap, 203 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 3: this is our big market. Here is marketing to these hospitals, right, 204 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 3: And so here's what we'll do. We'll reposition it in 205 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 3: the marketplace and through advertising as something for home use 206 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 3: and for use on women's reproductive organs. 207 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, let's talk about that, because there was essentially 208 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 2: no point in the history of Lyesol that it should 209 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 2: ever have been used on women's reproductive organs. And yet 210 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 2: when they lost that market of selling directly to hospitals 211 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 2: who knew that the field of medicine had its own 212 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 2: journals and that they would start talking amongst themselves. They 213 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 2: essentially created, they re debuted their product as a contraceptive. 214 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 2: And at the time this was not completely off the wall. 215 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 2: Using a vaginal douche as a contraceptive. There's no way 216 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:17,959 Speaker 2: for me to say that and not feel like I'm 217 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 2: talking about a guy, a guy, you know what I mean. 218 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 3: It's really taken over. 219 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it has that. This was like the main way 220 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 2: that people prevented birth, and it didn't even work very well, 221 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 2: but this was like all they had at the time. 222 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 3: Essentially, yeah, it was contraception. Well, this is sort of 223 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 3: one of the early ironies is you could sell lysol 224 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 3: as a cleaner, you know, those influenza in the early 225 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 3: nineteen hundreds and nineteen teen, so like it was doing 226 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 3: great there, but you could not market it legally as 227 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 3: a contraceptive, not because it was dangerous and didn't work, 228 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 3: but because contraceptives were illegal in the US and Canada 229 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 3: from the late nineteenth century eighteen seventy three with a 230 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,959 Speaker 3: Comstock Act here. In the US, birth control eventually was 231 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 3: legalized in nineteen sixty five if you were married, if 232 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 3: you wanted to have sex out of marriage and not 233 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 3: get pregnant, you had to wait until nineteen seventy two 234 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 3: to get that approval, one year after I was born, 235 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 3: which is shocking. So from nineteen nineteen all the way 236 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 3: through the nineteen sixties, they promoted lysol as an illegal 237 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 3: contraceptive under the banner of the mythological term of feminine hygiene. 238 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 2: Right, and so just because they used that term and 239 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 2: never said this is a contraceptive, they instead said it 240 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 2: with like a wink and a nuts like we all 241 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 2: know what we're talking about, right, And consumers did know. 242 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 2: They were well aware that what Lysol was saying is like, 243 00:14:55,920 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 2: if you use this after sex, it's going to kill 244 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 2: anything inside. Right, So don't even worry about all this stuff. 245 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 2: It's your contraceptive and lysol. Lysol became the number one 246 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 2: contraceptive in the United States from the nineteen thirties through 247 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 2: the nineteen sixties. Chuck lysol. Douching with lysol was what 248 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 2: most people in the United States used as a contraceptive 249 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 2: for thirty years. 250 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, and by the way, I want to clear up 251 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 3: real quick, when I said the mythological concept of feminine hygiene. 252 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 3: I don't mean people shouldn't wash their body parts, of course, sure, 253 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 3: I'm talking about this idea of feminine hygiene products and 254 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 3: douching and douching as a contraceptive and all that stuff was, 255 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 3: as far as I can tell, a creation, like a 256 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 3: marketing creation. 257 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. What's ironic about it is that because you're using 258 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 2: lysol again as a douche, you're killing off all of 259 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 2: the beneficial bacteria in the vagina to begin with. So 260 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 2: you actually are creating the problems that feminine hygiene products 261 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 2: were supposed to cure. Help. So the market actually created 262 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 2: itself by this, just the introduction of this. It's nuts. 263 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 2: It's terrible. It's essentially taking advantage of insecure mid century 264 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 2: American women through a really harsh marketing campaign that lasted 265 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 2: for decades. 266 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, let's talk about some of that. There's a 267 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 3: historian name Kristen Hall who looked at you, just dozens 268 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 3: and dozens of these lysol advertisements from the day, and 269 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 3: here are just a few examples. And the married woman, 270 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 3: the cleansing antiseptic douche should follow married relations. Lysol is 271 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 3: the right antiseptic for this delicate purpose. The word germ 272 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 3: was sort of a stand in for semen in many 273 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 3: cases they had They had ads that are just so 274 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 3: clearly trying to exploit, like you said, like the idea 275 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 3: that marital life is the only way to go, and 276 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 3: a clean woman in the kitchen is one that will 277 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 3: appeal to her husband for intercourse. Like this one. It 278 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 3: showed a woman literally trapped in an ad, trapped in 279 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 3: a cobweb that said was spun by my husband's indifference 280 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 3: and until she's freed by using Lysol to address careless risks, 281 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 3: then you know, dot dot, she won't get sex from 282 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 3: her husband. Yeah. 283 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 2: So what the ad was essentially saying is their husband's like, 284 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 2: I'm not having another kid. I'd rather just go without 285 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 2: sex than have another kid. And the wife is like, 286 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 2: but I want sex, And Liesol's like, let us step in. 287 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 2: You start using Lysol. You tell your husband you're going 288 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 2: to use Lysol, he'll be all over you like white 289 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 2: on rice. 290 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. Basically, if you're if if you don't use lysow, 291 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 3: you're not going to have sex anymore and be happy 292 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 3: in your marriage exactly. 293 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 2: So this was like the marketing campaign that Lysol came 294 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 2: up with to get women to use Lysol as a contraceptive, 295 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 2: and it should be noted that at the same time 296 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 2: they were marketing it as a disinfectant for your house, right, 297 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 2: So it would be exactly like buying a jug of 298 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 2: lysol and using it to clean your kitchen and then 299 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 2: using it as a contraceptive the same jug. That was 300 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 2: essentially what was going on for these decades. 301 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and like you mentioned earlier, not only was dangerous, 302 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 3: as we'll see, but it didn't work. They had these 303 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 3: a study from nineteen thirty three, so this is even 304 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 3: back then they knew, right, and they found basically half 305 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty of the five hundred and seven 306 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 3: women who used lysol as a contraceptive douche became pregnant. 307 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 3: And in the nineteen thirties there were these two doctors, 308 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 3: Sarah Greenberg and Rachel Lynn Palmer that said Lysol's claims 309 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 3: would be laughable were it not for the tragedy of 310 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 3: the many women who have become pregnant. 311 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 2: But not just get pregnant. They were also like scarring 312 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 2: their vaginas internally, at the very least inflaming them. Some 313 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 2: women died because if you absorbed some of these things 314 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 2: like qacs and some of the other chemicals I'm sure 315 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 2: probably ethanol as well into your body through the very 316 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 2: porous vaginal tissue. You can die from poisoning from lysol poisoning, 317 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 2: and women were dying at the very least hundreds were 318 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 2: ending up in the hospital from it as well. 319 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, and if that's not bad enough, because of kresol, 320 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 3: the creasol in the lysol, it was used for illegal 321 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 3: abortions well into the twentieth century. 322 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 2: Right, And so, like you said, from the thirties, they 323 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 2: were it was being criticized by the medical community, yet 324 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 2: it just wasn't reaching out to the public at large yet. 325 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 2: And it wasn't until the sixties that people stopped using 326 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 2: lysol as a contraceptive almost overnight. And what happened the 327 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 2: next day when they stopped using lysol was that the 328 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 2: pill had just been introduced, and as it became legal 329 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 2: and widespread and people started to be like, this actually works, 330 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 2: they stopped using lysol immediately. 331 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, So lysol didn't stop being used as a contravaginal 332 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 3: contraceptive because it was the word spread that it was dangerous, 333 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 3: it didn't work. It stopped because the pill came along exactly, 334 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 3: which is really hard to believe. 335 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 2: Really, I'll tell you something that's not hard to believe, 336 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 2: Chuck is let's take our second break. 337 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 3: Oh another early one. I love it. 338 00:20:48,840 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 4: Stop jaw. 339 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 3: All right, so we're back, Lysol. If you remember from 340 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 3: Act two, I guess the fact that it was not 341 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 3: viable as a means of birth control after the pill 342 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 3: came along, or really before actually, in truth, meant that 343 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 3: it had to change their tune yet again. It gained 344 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 3: some ubiquity, being referenced in a Sylvia Plath poem The 345 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 3: Colossus in the nineteen fifties. It was it was just 346 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 3: a something that seems like it's always been around. There 347 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 3: have been different forms of it over the years. You 348 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 3: know that disinfectant spray has been around since the sixties sixties. 349 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 3: I think they started cleaning toilets with it in the sixties. 350 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 3: Eventually they started having the hand soaps and disinfecting wipes 351 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 3: and stuff like that. But they were like, how do 352 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 3: we sell this stuff in an age where the FTC 353 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 3: basically is endorsing or says that you know your claims 354 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 3: have to be true. You can't be misled, The harm 355 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 3: can't outweigh the benefit and stuff like that, like where 356 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 3: what's the new path forward? 357 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 2: Right? So essentially because of this stuff like disinfectants like 358 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 2: lysol and other brands started just tinkering with their formulas 359 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 2: and looking for things that were as effective or more 360 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 2: effective but less toxic. Like for example, in nineteen fifty two, 361 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 2: they dropped creasol for ortho hydroxy phenol, which is a 362 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 2: quarter as toxic as creol. But I mean, you start 363 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 2: doing that, it's like these little adjustments here or there, 364 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:54,959 Speaker 2: you start making significant gains and lowering toxicity. The thing is, 365 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 2: it still is hazardous to your health, depending on how 366 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 2: you're dis to it and what concentration you're exposed to. 367 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. And obviously a time when you heard 368 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 3: a lot more about this kind of thing was during, 369 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,239 Speaker 3: like you mentioned earlier, the onset of the pandemic from 370 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 3: COVID nineteen. People were buying a lot more disinfectant I 371 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 3: now you said there was a twelve point three increase 372 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 3: in sales that just dollars wise equates to about four 373 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 3: billion bucks American bucks. Yeah, so it's a lot of money. 374 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 3: So you know, obviously with this stuff being used, like 375 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 3: people were disinfecting everything. The CDC was getting a lot 376 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 3: more calls about people going to the hospital from poisoning 377 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 3: just because it's around more. There were plenty of stories 378 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 3: where people would use disinfectants on like on their food itself, 379 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 3: putting it on their skin. At one point, former President 380 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 3: Trump on Live on the Air pondered whether injecting disinfectants 381 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 3: could cure coronavirus. So there's just a lot out of 382 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 3: overuse of this kind of stuff at the time because 383 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 3: of COVID. 384 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he didn't name check Lysol, he said disinfectants, 385 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 2: But Lysol and other companies that make disinfectants issue press 386 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 2: releases basically immediately saying like, don't ingest disinfectants in any way, 387 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 2: shape or form. They're still toxic. And these companies didn't 388 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 2: say they're still very toxic. But depending on who you ask, 389 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 2: they can be pretty toxic. One of the things that 390 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 2: Lysol did get a boost from though, was remember I 391 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 2: said that their QAC is almost proprietary, the benzolconium securate, Well, 392 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 2: it's just different enough from the other versions of that 393 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,679 Speaker 2: that Lysol was able to submit itself its formula to 394 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 2: the CDC for testing on killing COVID, and the CDC 395 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 2: was like, all good, So now COVID could be like recommended. 396 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 2: Lysol is specifically recommended by the CDC for you know, 397 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 2: the pandemic, and that was one of the things that 398 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 2: led to Lysol specifically in this huge boom in sales. 399 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 2: Was a pretty smart little marketing maneuver. 400 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 3: No, absolutely so a big boon for sales obviously. But 401 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one, the CDC came out and we're like, hey, 402 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 3: you know, this obsessive disinfecting is maybe getting out of 403 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 3: hand and may have long lasting consequences. And this is 404 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 3: where we, you know, we get to talk about something 405 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 3: that we've talked about on the show before, which I always, 406 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 3: you know, I think is kind of super interesting, which 407 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 3: is the fact that when you disinfect something like that, 408 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,239 Speaker 3: you're killing good germs and bad germs. And there is 409 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:42,360 Speaker 3: the hypothesis of the fact that you know, like friendly 410 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 3: microorganisms are good for the body, especially in childhood, to 411 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 3: help you build up a more robust immune system, so 412 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 3: you're not just walking around in a completely sanitized situation 413 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 3: at all times, and then when you encounter something in 414 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 3: the real world, all of a sudden, you're getting sick 415 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 3: more often and maybe even worse. 416 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, like you said, even worse. And that hygiene hypothesis 417 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 2: is supported by this idea that because these kids are 418 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 2: growing up in overly sanitary conditions in like the industrialized world, 419 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 2: they are more prone by far to autoimmune diseases, which 420 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 2: are diseases that the body is attacking the wrong stuff, proteins, tissues, 421 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 2: things that shouldn't be attacking. So you've got things like 422 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 2: food allergies, type one diabetes, multiple sclerosis, all of them 423 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 2: are much higher prevalents in the West than they are 424 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 2: in less developed countries. I think Kyle found a study 425 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 2: that found that in the West, preschool children can have 426 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 2: up to ten percent of a class can have food allergies, 427 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 2: but in mainland China you're going to find something like 428 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 2: two percent. And that type one diabetes, which is your body, 429 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 2: your immune is attacking your insulin producing pancreas. Sixty two 430 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 2: out of every one hundred thousand kids in Finland, an 431 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 2: industrialized country, has type one diabetes, but six point two, 432 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,919 Speaker 2: like a tenth out of every one hundred thousand children 433 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 2: in Mexico have it, and zero point five of every 434 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 2: hundred thousand havebit in Pakistan. So all that goes to 435 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 2: show all these and tons of other studies suggest that 436 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 2: because we're cleaning too much, our kids are developing autoimmune 437 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 2: diseases and we need to expose them to more germs. 438 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 3: Yeah. That is a version of what's called the old 439 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 3: friends hypothesis, which is, if you're a young kid in 440 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 3: your early years and your formative years, if you have 441 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 3: regular exposure to harmless microbes, then you're going to be 442 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 3: better off in the long run. And if that's really 443 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 3: limited because you're disinfecting your entire house constantly, you're going 444 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 3: to suffer for it. Because you know, there are arguments. 445 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 3: This guy named Graham Rook is one of the proponents. 446 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 3: Argues that your immune system needs dis exposure to diverse 447 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 3: microbes so your body knows how to recognize the threat 448 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 3: when it sees it. 449 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was saying this, Graham Rook in particularly 450 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 2: is a bacteriologists from University College of London. He's saying 451 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 2: there's specific microbes that the human immune system has co 452 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 2: evolved with and that we're killing them through disinfectant and 453 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 2: that those are the ones that train our immune systems 454 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 2: how to be and that without them that's why we're 455 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 2: getting the autoimmune diseases. And yet again it's like a 456 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 2: riff on the hygiene hypothsis. It almost takes it and 457 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 2: like makes it more specific. 458 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 3: I think, yeah, they've done some more research. Speaking of Finland, 459 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 3: they took stool samples. They took little poopy pellets from 460 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 3: kids in Finland, Estonia, and Russia and found that in 461 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,239 Speaker 3: the in Finland, which is you know, super industrialized at 462 00:28:53,240 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 3: this point. In Estonia, they did not have Escherishia. 463 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 2: I don't know e coli. I know that's what most 464 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 2: people call it. 465 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 3: I'll just call it ecoliles trying to be fancy that 466 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 3: activates a response from the immune system, but had a 467 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 3: bacteria bacteriotis species that inhibits the immune system. So not 468 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 3: only did it not have what you needed to activate 469 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 3: the immune response, you had something that inhibits it. 470 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 2: Right, So again there's a lot of research to support 471 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 2: this kind of stuff that we are overcleaning, and in 472 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 2: particular in the United States, we have a particular obsession 473 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 2: with cleanliness and we overdo it essentially. And again, just 474 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 2: like with Lysol's advertising blitz in the twenties and thirties 475 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 2: that got women to use lysol as a contraceptive based 476 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 2: on their insecurities. We're marketed to like, there's germs everywhere, 477 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 2: your kid's going to get sick, your kid is sneezing 478 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 2: on things. They've got to clean the entire house, and 479 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 2: not just clean, but disinfect And it seems to be 480 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 2: if the hygiene hypothesis and old Friend's hypothesis are correct. 481 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 2: It's the disinfecting part that's the problem. That if we 482 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 2: just cleaned, you know, and kept things tidy, we would 483 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 2: those good microbes would be around, and we are exposed 484 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 2: to them. We don't have to worry as much about 485 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 2: the other microbes that are harmful because our immune systems 486 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 2: are primed to take care of those things a little more. 487 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 3: That's right, And I know I mentioned it before. It 488 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 3: is one percent anecdotal. I'm not disputing that. But we 489 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 3: have never been big overly disinfectant as a household. We 490 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 3: have let my daughter be dirty and stay dirty, and 491 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 3: she's one of the healthiest kids I've ever known in 492 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 3: my life. Again, purely anecdotal, but who knows. I think 493 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 3: maybe we're just lazy, but it feels like it feels 494 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 3: like we've done right by her. Because she just not 495 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 3: get sick much. 496 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 2: That's awesome, man. Yeah, yeah, that hygiene hypothesis. I just 497 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 2: love it. It's so intuitive, it's so like folksy and homey. 498 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 2: I just love it. So I hope it's correct. I 499 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 2: hope it doesn't ever get overturned. 500 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, what do we do When we were kids, 501 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 3: We rolled around in the dirt. Our parents weren't bothered 502 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 3: to care or you know, maybe we've got to wash 503 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 3: your hands before dinner kind of thing, but maybe not even. 504 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, for sure. And I mean the generation after us, 505 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 2: where we started cleaning more and more with disinfectants, that's 506 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 2: when autoimmune diseases really starting to pick up. It's just 507 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 2: the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming, essentially. Yeah, there's some other 508 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 2: stuff too. Like I said, some people are like, yeah, 509 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 2: this stuff is still toxic, so be careful with it. 510 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,239 Speaker 2: Some people are saying, like, Okay, it depends on the 511 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 2: concentration that you're exposed to. Lifsol that's super concentrated that 512 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 2: you're supposed to dilute. That is very dangerous stuff. There's 513 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 2: endocrine disruptors in there, there's anti freeze in there. You 514 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 2: can breathe it in you can absorb it through your skin. 515 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 2: Just undiluted lysol or concentrated lysol is dangerous. But what's 516 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 2: called ready to use, the stuff you buy in the 517 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 2: bottle that you just start spraying that is so diluted 518 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 2: that it's more toxic effects are well, they're diluted essentially. 519 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 2: So some people say it's not really a problem to 520 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 2: use lysol. Other people are like, it depends on the context. 521 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 2: If you spray lysol air spray in a closed room, 522 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 2: you don't want to be in there to breathe it 523 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 2: in because it's going to mess your lungs up pretty good. 524 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 2: Other people are like, like, we know that these this 525 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 2: exposure to lysol right then is not harmful, but there's 526 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:57,239 Speaker 2: not enough studies on what's called chronic low level exposure. 527 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 2: But just using it over and over and over again 528 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 2: for years, what does that do to the body, And 529 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 2: so we need to study that kind of stuff more. Unfortunately, 530 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 2: there are people in the government who are working against 531 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 2: that kind of stuff and introducing bills that are like, 532 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 2: not only do we not want to combat this, we 533 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 2: want to make disinfectant manufacturers, we want to make it 534 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 2: easier for them to just cover up what they're using 535 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 2: as ingredients so people can't study them. 536 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, what was that? I saw it sort of. I 537 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 3: mean it seemed like it was directly influenced from the 538 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 3: lobby from these companies. But who was it that introduced 539 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 3: that bill that basically said, like, hey, you know what, 540 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 3: you shouldn't have to say what ingredients are in your product. 541 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, Indiana Representative congress Person Larry Bouchon introduced a bill 542 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 2: in October twenty twenty three. Still doesn't have a name. Weirdly, 543 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 2: it doesn't even have a number, so I guess it's 544 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 2: not gotten very far so far. But what it represents 545 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 2: is a real disruption in the disinfected industry because California 546 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 2: passed a law that was really hardcore about telling everybody 547 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 2: what's in your products as disinfectants, And there was a 548 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 2: big kind of stakeholder back and forth between dis infectant 549 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 2: manufacturers and the government of California to kind of come 550 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,280 Speaker 2: to this consensus like, Okay, we'll abide by California's law 551 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 2: essentially everywhere in the United States, but the rest of 552 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 2: the states have to promise that they're not going to 553 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 2: make any laws. There are even tougher than California. We're 554 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,320 Speaker 2: all going to agree that this California law is a compromise, 555 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 2: and so this federal bill preempts the California law, so 556 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 2: it undoes all that negotiation. So some companies, including the 557 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,280 Speaker 2: makers of Lifesol, are like, yes, let's support that bill. 558 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 2: But other companies like Clorox have come forward and they're like, 559 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 2: we're opposed to this bill. We already went through this 560 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 2: whole process, we came to a compromise, and this conceivably 561 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 2: open up the case for states later on to come 562 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 2: up with even worse bills or stricter bills than the 563 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 2: California one. So it's a big deal actually in the 564 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 2: disinfected industry right now, and it's kind of up in 565 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:13,359 Speaker 2: the air which way it'll go. 566 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure. Another thing that's a potential future well 567 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 3: in the future is kind of now because already being used. 568 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 3: But germicidal ultraviolet light GUV is something a lot of 569 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 3: people are fairly hot on UV rays and things like 570 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,240 Speaker 3: that we know can be or UV light can be dangerous. 571 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 3: That's why we use sunblock and stuff like that. But 572 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 3: this is a different kind of UV. This is called 573 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 3: far UV. They are applied in very specifically short wavelengths, 574 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 3: so it's not penetrating like regular UV. And I even 575 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 3: bought one of those little UV cases that you put 576 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 3: your cell phone in during the pandemic. 577 00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, I got it too. 578 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I used it twice, oh really, and 579 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 3: recently donated it. It just never caught on in my house. 580 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 3: But you know, you gotta be careful with these things 581 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 3: because they you could buy like a UV wand to 582 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 3: just wave over your doorknob at home, but it may 583 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 3: not be far UV. And a lot of the FDA 584 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 3: is like, hey, be careful with these things that you're 585 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 3: buying because UV light can be super dangerous as. 586 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,400 Speaker 2: Well, Yeah, to your skin, to your eyes essentially, you know, 587 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 2: over long term exposure. Who knows, cancer probably, But this 588 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 2: this far UV, because the wave links are so small, 589 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,720 Speaker 2: They're like, this can't penetrate skin or the cornea essentially, 590 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 2: So it's it will kill all the germs, all the 591 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,879 Speaker 2: bacteria in the air. That's the other benefit of it too, Chuck. 592 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 2: It's like if you and I are talking and one 593 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,360 Speaker 2: of us has COVID and I cough in a room 594 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:57,799 Speaker 2: that has a correct setup for far UV, GUV, germicidal 595 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 2: UV like you said, it'll kill that stuff before you 596 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 2: can breathe it in. 597 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 598 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,840 Speaker 2: So it has a really great benefit and application, but 599 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,760 Speaker 2: it can also still be dangerous because what they figured 600 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 2: out is that even far UV creates ozone, and ozone 601 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 2: can interact with other particles in the air, creating air 602 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 2: pollution essentially inside your house. Yeah, and that's not good. 603 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:23,359 Speaker 3: That's not good at all. 604 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:25,319 Speaker 2: So they're grappling with it. 605 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,879 Speaker 3: Emily, when she had her business use and we still 606 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 3: use this at home. Sometimes she would just make her 607 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 3: own She called the alcohol and orange. It was just 608 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 3: alcohol with orange essential oil to help it smell good, right, 609 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 3: And would just use that on the tables and stuff 610 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 3: when she had stainless steel tables when she was manufacturing stuff. 611 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm sure she added water too, but I 612 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:54,360 Speaker 2: did not realize this until researching this. Alcohol by itself 613 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 2: is not as effective in killing viruses or destroying viruses 614 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 2: as alcohol and water is. It does something to enhance 615 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 2: the action of the alcohol. Isn't that fascinating? 616 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,919 Speaker 3: Yeah? And remember during COVID, we did some episodes sort 617 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 3: of around that that where we were like, you know, 618 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 3: washing our hands with soap is more effective than using 619 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 3: the alcohol based hand sanitizer. 620 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, because it binds to it and washes it off. Right, 621 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 2: that's right, that is something I need to get over. 622 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 2: It's very clear to me I developed a real severe 623 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 2: case of germophobia during COVID. Really it's gotten much better, 624 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:38,880 Speaker 2: much better, but it's still present. Like I'll grab a 625 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 2: paper towel and use that to pump gas with and 626 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 2: then use alcohol on my hands afterward, and like there's 627 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,279 Speaker 2: just stuff I should not be doing. And researching this 628 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 2: made me realize, like I need to mellow out. 629 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well that's good. But I don't use hand 630 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,839 Speaker 3: sanitizer and never really have, but I do. We'll use 631 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 3: the paper towel if they have them at the gas station, 632 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 3: because I don't want grubby gas smell on me why. 633 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 2: I'm doing it, And I will grab one on my. 634 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,759 Speaker 3: Way out of a like especially like an airport bathroom, 635 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 3: I'll grab a paper towel or the paper towel that 636 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:19,239 Speaker 3: I've used to dry my hands. I might use that 637 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,399 Speaker 3: on the door handle, because that's I think that's why 638 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 3: they keep that trash can right by the door as well, right. 639 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, yes, if they're like that, not if there's 640 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,799 Speaker 2: not paper towels. And you ever open the bathroom door 641 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 2: in a public restroom and I suddenly pop out around you, 642 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 2: it's because I've been standing there waiting for somebody to 643 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 2: open the door because I won't let myself touch the 644 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 2: door handle. I just can't. I can't do it. Or 645 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,840 Speaker 2: if I'm the guy who like holds the door for 646 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,840 Speaker 2: you with this foot and it's like, oh sorry, runs off. 647 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,400 Speaker 3: That's okay. I think a lot of people do stuff 648 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 3: like that. That's just you know, especially like in airport's 649 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 3: you know, people are traveling all over their place. I 650 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 3: don't think there's anything wrong with that. 651 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,360 Speaker 2: No, but yeah, I just need to be less delicate. 652 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 2: I think. I think it would be better for me 653 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 2: psychologically and health wise too. 654 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. Maybe get to some of that worry out of 655 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:07,760 Speaker 3: the old brain. 656 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:12,239 Speaker 2: Exactly exactly what's the worst is gonna happen? I could 657 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:13,719 Speaker 2: die of norovirus? 658 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 3: Who writ Oh man, I'd have to find a new 659 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:17,480 Speaker 3: co host. 660 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 2: Don't do that, Like I said, who cares, Chuck? You 661 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:23,359 Speaker 2: got anything else? 662 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:24,880 Speaker 3: M okay? 663 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,360 Speaker 2: Well that's it for Lisol everybody. Thanks again to holland 664 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 2: thanks again for Kyle for helping us out with this 665 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,279 Speaker 2: and since I just named check Kyle again, it's time 666 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 2: for listener mail. 667 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 3: I'm going to call this just a very kind thank you. Hey, guys, 668 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 3: want to say thanks for doing what you do. Your humor, intellect, 669 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,279 Speaker 3: and open mindedness have been an inspiration for me for 670 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 3: many years. I started listening back in nine when I 671 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 3: was traveling back and forth between Gainesville and Tallahassee, Florida 672 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 3: to visit my college girlfriend. When I graduated, I continued 673 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,759 Speaker 3: listening through med school, when driving two rotations, visiting my 674 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,440 Speaker 3: mail school girlfriend, and anytime I could find a break 675 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,040 Speaker 3: during the monotony of studying. Still listen regularly during my 676 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 3: residency and obstetrics and gynecology, especially when driving the satellite 677 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 3: hospitals I worked at, and of course flying back to 678 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,400 Speaker 3: Florida to visit my residency girlfriend. Things are progressing, you 679 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 3: notice this? Yeah? For both? 680 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 2: Is it the same girlfriend? Do you think? 681 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,799 Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean things are progressing romantically and professionally for 682 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,680 Speaker 3: this couple. Gotcha, it's a great story. I finished residency 683 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,839 Speaker 3: in twenty eighteen. Still listen almost every day when I'm 684 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,759 Speaker 3: driving to the hospital or my office where I work 685 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 3: as an obgyn. Married that residency girlfriend nice, and we 686 00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,759 Speaker 3: have three beautiful kids who are in med school. No 687 00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,240 Speaker 3: just kidding, twin boys and our seven month old baby girl. 688 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,440 Speaker 3: Listen to all the episodes at once. Listen to the 689 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 3: End of the World with Josh Clark. Thanks, yeehaw. Many 690 00:41:55,080 --> 00:42:00,440 Speaker 3: episodes of movie Crush, yeehaw. Lots of Don't Be Dumbs? Okay, 691 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,840 Speaker 3: what's wrong with Don't Be Dumbs? No, Don't Be Dumbs 692 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,280 Speaker 3: are great. I just anytime someone has dived into the videos, 693 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 3: I think it's pretty like extra. 694 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,000 Speaker 2: They're hardcore for sure. 695 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I wasn't saying it was something. In fact, Don't 696 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 3: Be was the best of what happened in our video 697 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:18,760 Speaker 3: were your Don't be Dumbs? 698 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 2: I don't know, man, what about our this day in 699 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:24,759 Speaker 2: history weirdness? 700 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,719 Speaker 3: I always felt like we were just hanging on by 701 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,440 Speaker 3: the skin of our teeth. We definitely were. Anyway, watch 702 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,479 Speaker 3: Don't Be Dumb. If you haven't, everyone, it's pretty great. 703 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 3: I haven't dug up the TV show yet, but maybe 704 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,239 Speaker 3: one day I will. One day I will. I have 705 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,239 Speaker 3: your book, but sadly not your board game. Not to 706 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 3: go parasocial on you, guys, but I really like you. 707 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:46,759 Speaker 2: We like you too. 708 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,839 Speaker 3: Your constant motivation to continue to be better in all 709 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,480 Speaker 3: aspects of your lives, and your openness therein has been 710 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,399 Speaker 3: an inspiration. So from the bottom of my heart, thank you, 711 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,200 Speaker 3: and that is from Adam. 712 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,680 Speaker 2: Thanks a lot, Adam, that was a great email. Appreciate that. 713 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,280 Speaker 2: Congratulations on becoming a doctor. Bless you for that. Bless 714 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,439 Speaker 2: your wife too, Bless your kids as well for having 715 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:07,280 Speaker 2: doctor parents. 716 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,320 Speaker 3: Bless everybody med school. 717 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,360 Speaker 2: Girlfriend. I think is a great name for an indie 718 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:11,919 Speaker 2: pop band. 719 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,439 Speaker 3: Totally yeah, nailed it. 720 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,800 Speaker 2: So thanks for that too, Adam. If you want to 721 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,920 Speaker 2: be like Adam and send us a really nice email, 722 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,240 Speaker 2: we are always happy to receive those. You can wrap 723 00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,640 Speaker 2: it up, spank it on the bottom like a obg 724 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,400 Speaker 2: y n, and send it off to Stuff podcast at 725 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio dot com. 726 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,680 Speaker 3: Stuff you Should Know is a production of iHeartRadio. For 727 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,960 Speaker 3: more podcasts my heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 728 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,920 Speaker 3: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.