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Speaker 3: And now we begin our final leg of training camp
Speaker 3: here in Oxnard, California. And what better way to start
Speaker 3: it on this cloudy Monday than Mick Shots, Mick Shotton,
Speaker 3: Nate Newton, Misgnola And I'm sure glad to see Nate
Speaker 3: Newton here because tell people what you did over these
Speaker 3: last three or four days.
Speaker 2: Well, I went back to I went back to Texas.
Speaker 2: I drove back and kissed my beautiful bride and turned
Speaker 2: around and came back here.
Speaker 3: So you left on Wednesday, after mixed shot after mix shots, Yes,
Speaker 3: and you drove all the way back to that Dallas,
Speaker 3: straight through, straight through twenty hours. You didn't stop, No,
Speaker 3: just to maybe rest, No, not even just.
Speaker 2: Get gassed, put your head down, yes, just get gassed.
Speaker 4: And then on Sunday or Saturday.
Speaker 2: Saturday, you drove all the way back, watching on and
Speaker 2: off the game. And so I could have something to
Speaker 2: say about the players. But I did stop Saturday night
Speaker 2: and got some sleep for a couple of hours.
Speaker 3: Hi.
Speaker 2: I made to hanging with the boys back in Dallas too.
Speaker 2: You did five? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Oh, man, you are a long haul driver.
Speaker 2: No, I just uh, my wife. She I told her
Speaker 2: to send me some pictures, right, yeah, send me some
Speaker 2: pictures of you. Of you. Oh, I'm tired. I'm just
Speaker 2: send a picture of your face. And she did. Man,
Speaker 2: she had these ugly rings under eyes. I'm like, wow, babes,
Speaker 2: I just say, you know what, my wife ain't sleeping.
Speaker 2: Let me go home, and then Thursday night should get
Speaker 2: good rest, Friday night should get good rest. Then I
Speaker 2: shoot out.
Speaker 3: But the rest of us. By the way, we flew
Speaker 3: back to Dallas on Friday.
Speaker 2: I bet that was a long trip.
Speaker 3: And then Saturday watch the game that started four pm.
Speaker 3: Cowboys lose to Jacksonville twenty eight to twenty three. And
Speaker 3: that's inconsequential. And we left at and T Stadium right.
Speaker 2: After what time round? What time was that?
Speaker 3: It was about nine maybe Central Arizona. We were supposed
Speaker 3: to get back here, so we had to go through
Speaker 3: security at DFW Okay for the charter site. We land
Speaker 3: at Lax. We had to drive the hour or so
Speaker 3: at night from Lax to here in Oxnard, and the
Speaker 3: projected arrival time for us was midnight here here, And
Speaker 3: when the buses pulled in to the residents here in Oxnard,
Speaker 3: my watch said twelve zero zero.
Speaker 4: Wow. Sweet, how about that?
Speaker 2: That's sweet. So at least we were able to stick
Speaker 2: to somebody's schedule, that's right.
Speaker 3: And the Cowboys players had Sunday off. I think a
Speaker 3: bunch of them took it off, yes, And I think
Speaker 3: a bunch of them didn't even come back here since
Speaker 3: they were already in La at that time. And here
Speaker 3: we are, so we got mix shots on Monday Wednesday.
Speaker 3: This week, the Cowboys have a walkthrough practice today that
Speaker 3: is open to the public. The last two padded practices
Speaker 3: will be Tuesday and Wednesday. Thursday's a walkthrough and is
Speaker 3: not going to be open to the general public. And
Speaker 3: we leave on Friday for Jackson for Seattle for the
Speaker 3: preseason game there and then head.
Speaker 2: Home, heading home, being back to Dallas.
Speaker 4: Back to that's right, yes, home home. Yes, this has
Speaker 4: been home for a month.
Speaker 3: So we got to see a preseason game finally, full
Speaker 3: football since they kind of played football here in practice practice.
Speaker 3: So your just overall take on you know what took
Speaker 3: place Saturday in the preseason.
Speaker 2: Game, and I'll give you my offensive and defensive take
Speaker 2: is that okay? Yes, Defensively, I have not seen that
Speaker 2: type of speed. What I saw, especially in the first
Speaker 2: preseason game. What I saw from the linebackers and from
Speaker 2: Marquise Bell was just flat out guys running, hustling, making plays.
Speaker 2: It's been a long time since you've seen a young guy.
Speaker 2: And number thirty three and number thirty five, these guys
Speaker 2: were running overshown and number thirty three is Clark.
Speaker 4: Clark.
Speaker 2: These guys can flat out run, and just the speed
Speaker 2: of it, that's what that would impress me. Defensively, offensively,
Speaker 2: I saw some good things. I saw some nice things,
Speaker 2: and I saw I'm kind of just sitting in the
Speaker 2: middle on our offense hoping that this next preseason game
Speaker 2: would show me a little bit more. I saw hope.
Speaker 2: But I also said, also, I had too many anxious moments.
Speaker 2: When I have anxious moments, then I mean I need
Speaker 2: to look at it a second time. And I haven't
Speaker 2: had a chance to look at the film a second time.
Speaker 2: Because I gotta go find look at it right.
Speaker 3: So, and and we should point out that the Cowboys
Speaker 3: sat twenty five players, yes, twenty six if you count
Speaker 3: the president who wasn't playing, So the majority of their starters, Uh,
Speaker 3: there was really only seven guys. Yeah, seven guys that
Speaker 3: were playing in more than their fourth NFL game. Two
Speaker 3: of them were the deep snapper and the holder. And
Speaker 3: then you had to play some quarterbacks, so Cooper Rush.
Speaker 4: So that's three of those seven.
Speaker 3: So they really didn't play many veterans guys at all.
Speaker 3: And so it showed. I think it showed mostly on offense.
Speaker 3: So you got to take that stuff kind of with
Speaker 3: a grain assault when you try to evaluate. Now, Jacksonville
Speaker 3: played their starters for two series and then they were out.
Speaker 3: The Cowboys did not play, you know, starters throughout the game.
Speaker 3: Obviously sat a bunch of guys. So look, don't worry
Speaker 3: about the result, right, that's inconsequential. You worry about individual
Speaker 3: performances and how different guys play or didn't play well enough.
Speaker 3: And if you look at it, I think the one
Speaker 3: thing that McCarthy might have been has to focus on
Speaker 3: is ball security. Can't turn the ball over, right, especially
Speaker 3: you're trying to make this team, and if you look
Speaker 3: at it, turnovers contributed fifteen points in this game. Eight
Speaker 3: when Turpin fumbled the punt set up Jacksonville at the
Speaker 3: Cowboys forty two, so they had a short field. And
Speaker 3: then Donnal, after a really nice catch and run down
Speaker 3: inside the five yard line, fumbles the ball at the
Speaker 3: one yard line. That's seven points there. You're going to
Speaker 3: score a touchdown. Chances are if you hold on to
Speaker 3: the football. So they lose by five, but they, you know,
Speaker 3: squandered fifteen points along in my books along the way.
Speaker 3: So you know, the other thing I think we have
Speaker 3: to look at, Nate is this is the first time
Speaker 3: a lot of these guys played football like a whole game.
Speaker 3: Because they're playing a lot of guys that were on
Speaker 3: the practice squad last year that hadn't played an NFL game.
Speaker 3: I mean, take Will Greer, when's the last time he
Speaker 3: played a full game? Yeah, last trading camp, right last preseason.
Speaker 3: So well I looked at the offensive line and Josh
Speaker 3: Ball starts at right guard. Yes, he played all of
Speaker 3: forty one snaps last year, so he did most of
Speaker 3: the season watching.
Speaker 4: Well, let's go was on injured reserve.
Speaker 3: Act was placed on injured reserve October twenty sixth. Brock Hoffman,
Speaker 3: who started at center on the practice squad the hall year.
Speaker 3: The guy that played the most football last year of
Speaker 3: the starting five on the offensive line was Awesome Richards,
Speaker 3: because he was in college, starting at North Carolina. So
Speaker 3: when you look at that first group that played the
Speaker 3: whole first half the offensive line, that's the first time
Speaker 3: a lot of these guys played football.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the thing that and I'll go back to
Speaker 2: the points. The reason we're bringing up the points because
Speaker 2: we don't worry about the score, and we really don't,
Speaker 2: you know, no one should. But when you have turnovers,
Speaker 2: that's why we brought up the score because you had
Speaker 2: because in the regular season, you don't need turnovers, especially
Speaker 2: inside your own their red zone, so it's easy for
Speaker 2: them to score. So that's why we bring out the points.
Speaker 2: But I'm with you, a lot of these guys got
Speaker 2: they first opportunity to really get uh, get some real
Speaker 2: ball in and I was so happy when they started
Speaker 2: their starters because what that is, what that does is
Speaker 2: gives the guys a truer look.
Speaker 4: Of what they might be facing.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So now you can get you get a better
Speaker 2: athlete that's more confident in the scheme that they runs,
Speaker 2: so they're running it a little bit faster. When you're
Speaker 2: going against rookies and everybody's trying to fill out those
Speaker 2: first few series, you may not get a fast player.
Speaker 2: But we got their first team defense in their first
Speaker 2: team offense, and we got faster players. So that made
Speaker 2: you That made you raise your level of playoff if
Speaker 2: you can. So that that was good. And they held
Speaker 2: their own I mean they did not get blowed up,
Speaker 2: and some players had some blow up situations, but as
Speaker 2: a team, they did not fall apart, and that was
Speaker 2: good to see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we need to, you know, go further and say, okay,
Speaker 3: now what do you do yes week? Right, because chances
Speaker 3: are those young guys in the offensive line that are
Speaker 3: basically battling for backup spots, Yes, sir, Yeah, Now they've
Speaker 3: got a game under their belt and we'll see what
Speaker 3: happens when they go to Seattle. You know, if you
Speaker 3: evaluated the offensive line the first group that played, there
Speaker 3: were some good things and then there was some not
Speaker 3: so good whoa what are you doing there?
Speaker 4: Like guys got lost.
Speaker 3: There was a couple of plays where I saw Richards
Speaker 3: it was like what are you doing?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 4: And it's like he was confused. And so I think
Speaker 4: a lot.
Speaker 3: Of it wasn't just inability. It was not recognizing what
Speaker 3: you have to do. And that's got to be difficult
Speaker 3: when you haven't played at this level in so long.
Speaker 2: The thing that I always get guys is you has
Speaker 2: hesitation shows the lack of confidence. And when you have
Speaker 2: lack of confidence, and if some of the wording, the
Speaker 2: verbiage is close, that runs together. You did on display,
Speaker 2: this protection means this. On this play, this protection means this,
Speaker 2: and it all starts to run together with the possibility
Speaker 2: of three different defenses that you're gonna face. So if
Speaker 2: you kind of have concentrating on the play, you may
Speaker 2: not see the scheme when it changed, so you don't
Speaker 2: make the right move. I saw one time the right
Speaker 2: guard went right and everybody else was going left, and
Speaker 2: then he made this. He made his adjustment, but the
Speaker 2: tackle he was by hisself, so they wind up on
Speaker 2: one guy in the linebacker ran free. So you see
Speaker 2: all that confusion, and now the coach is saying, Okay,
Speaker 2: my tackle did right. My guard didn't do so good
Speaker 2: on this play right here, we can we can adjust that.
Speaker 2: But now the running back saying, wow, but I got
Speaker 2: kipt for no gain or a minimal minimal gain, So
Speaker 2: it can be. But we didn't have a three or
Speaker 2: four of those plays on the offensive line where guys
Speaker 2: was just totally confused and it hurt the whole team
Speaker 2: like you had other times when it was confused and
Speaker 2: it didn't hurt the team a lot of times. You know,
Speaker 2: I go right and you go left. But the play
Speaker 2: we was fortunate to play was outside the other way,
Speaker 2: so me going the wrong way didn't hurt us right,
Speaker 2: So we saw a little bit of that. But I
Speaker 2: talked to coach Mike Celari and he just lived because
Speaker 2: he we changed just simple things like we changed practice
Speaker 2: by us not going today full pass and Tuesday full
Speaker 2: pass and then Wednesday off like they thought it's been
Speaker 2: moved back a day. So he's livid about that because
Speaker 2: he had things he wanted to get while the game
Speaker 2: was fresh on their mind. He didn't want to walk through.
Speaker 2: He needed to get guys going, and so he just believed,
Speaker 2: like I believe that the only way you can get
Speaker 2: offensive line going is to work them physically as well
Speaker 2: as mentally. You know, you can get it all on
Speaker 2: the board and you can write it all down, but
Speaker 2: I need to get you going at least seventy five
Speaker 2: miles an hour here physically so you can see it
Speaker 2: moving faster.
Speaker 3: And I think it'll be interesting to see. So we
Speaker 3: didn't get a chance to talk to Mike McCarthy yesterday.
Speaker 4: We talked to him today.
Speaker 3: I believe it's n nine point fifteen his press conference,
Speaker 3: So he's moved everything up, so it sounds like what
Speaker 3: he's trying to do is get the guys off their.
Speaker 4: Feet a little bit more.
Speaker 3: So they're going to start the practice early so they
Speaker 3: have a longer day before tomorrow they get the pads on.
Speaker 3: And he was pretty honest after the game, and I'll
Speaker 3: give you just one example. He said after the game,
Speaker 3: Josh Ball came up to him and said, well, coach,
Speaker 3: what did you think?
Speaker 4: How did I do?
Speaker 3: And McCarthy's answer was, well, I was kind of busy
Speaker 3: with another job, meaning I didn't get a chance to
Speaker 3: really watch on falling plays.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Uh So now that they've they've got a chance to
Speaker 3: go over the film all day Sunday, it'll be interesting
Speaker 3: to see what his evaluation is and the coach's evaluation
Speaker 3: of what took place during the game. I think that
Speaker 3: you know, from the quarterback standpoint, Will Grier hadn't played
Speaker 3: in a in a in a in a game, if
Speaker 3: I'm not if I'm not mistaken, since last preseason. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it took him a while, I think to start seeing things, uh,
Speaker 3: to adjust to the speed of the game. And then
Speaker 3: I think we saw after he took over for Cooper
Speaker 3: Rush that the second half he kind of settled down
Speaker 3: and start hitting some passes. He's got a bunch of passes.
Speaker 3: I'm sure he wanted back, uh, And there were a
Speaker 3: couple of well I'm throwing this, and what's the wide
Speaker 3: receiver doing?
Speaker 4: And there was young wide receivers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that is why I believe practice has to
Speaker 2: be taking so and I'm not sitting, please don't miss Sam.
Speaker 2: This is what I believe that practice has to be
Speaker 2: even more important than the preseason game. I just really
Speaker 2: believe that when you have these opportunities as backup guys,
Speaker 2: I mean true back, cause Will Grill was hurt and
Speaker 2: he was truly the thirteen quarterback, right, so you have
Speaker 2: to really be focused. You have to really kind of
Speaker 2: come out here and do extra. Uh, the the days
Speaker 2: of I'll get my reps that is over, that has
Speaker 2: been over maybe ten fifteen years. You now you have
Speaker 2: to find a group of guys where you say, hey,
Speaker 2: fell let's go out and get some get some throws. Right,
Speaker 2: Let's let's get something extra. Because the time that is
Speaker 2: allotted for veterans is only eleven hours a day. Yes,
Speaker 2: so you you gonna have to find time on your own.
Speaker 2: And it can't be Da going to hit guys. He's
Speaker 2: gotta be Will Grill finding him a group of guys
Speaker 2: or Cooper Rush finding him a group of guys and
Speaker 2: throwing to his guys because, uh, time is so limited,
Speaker 2: like even for us, we you don't get a chance
Speaker 2: to see the second group of guys because like we're
Speaker 2: watching film and we didn't get a chance to see
Speaker 2: the TJ. Bastes of the world or the other other
Speaker 2: guys were so concentrating on on Richards. Uh we loscow.
Speaker 2: I did find out that my boy some questions was
Speaker 2: answering on my boy froniac. His arms are just too
Speaker 2: short mate to play guard.
Speaker 4: I think the center.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's but see that affects us because now if
Speaker 2: he could play a litt bit of guard, now we can,
Speaker 2: we can we get a lot of positions somewhere else.
Speaker 2: But now we gotta If we put him at the
Speaker 2: backup center, that means we got to find a backup
Speaker 2: guard as well as a backup swing tackle.
Speaker 3: Butt out last year when he had to start those
Speaker 3: two games.
Speaker 4: Yeah he did, Okay, he did all right, But.
Speaker 3: Again take into a count that that's his first football
Speaker 3: that he's played in a game since they put him
Speaker 3: on I R about halfway through the season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I and I'm with you, but still you
Speaker 2: have to start and and and I'm not judging him
Speaker 2: on this one game, but the film is being.
Speaker 4: Watched, right, I got.
Speaker 2: And I don't want to and I don't want to
Speaker 2: say he can't play guard, but I'm saying from what
Speaker 2: I seen by the first team of the other team, right,
Speaker 2: he wasn't He wasn't mentally ready to so.
Speaker 3: And and the other thing we need to point out
Speaker 3: is if if he's the game day uh center, backup
Speaker 3: center guard, then you only got to get through a game.
Speaker 3: What you have to do is find somebody that can
Speaker 3: play full time guard. If something happens, or if Zach
Speaker 3: Martin doesn't get back in time for the start of
Speaker 3: the season. They I saw some people tweeting out. Do
Speaker 3: I have to say tweeting out or xing out?
Speaker 2: Now? I don't know. I'm not intoday anyway.
Speaker 3: Questions about do they need to get a veteran offensive lineman, Well,
Speaker 3: that's what they signed Truman a dooga for and he's
Speaker 3: out and I've been told that he's got a bone
Speaker 3: bruise on his knee. It wasn't something after they did
Speaker 3: the MRI, so it shouldn't be a too long thing.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying he's the answer because he certainly hasn't
Speaker 3: impressed me during the practice sessions.
Speaker 2: You know, I watched Richards and he played left tackle.
Speaker 2: He did not play bad at all in my estimate. Well,
Speaker 2: he did not play bad.
Speaker 4: At most of the last week or so he's been
Speaker 4: in practice. He's been playing.
Speaker 2: Guard, yes, but he played.
Speaker 4: He shows up at left tackle and he gave up
Speaker 4: a sack.
Speaker 2: But the quarterback held the ball right and we had pressure.
Speaker 2: He did his job. He ran the guy around the horn,
Speaker 2: all the way around the horn. He took three steps
Speaker 2: after he got him around the horn and the guy
Speaker 2: just looks up and here's a quarterback. Then backed up
Speaker 2: four or five yards because we had a rush up
Speaker 2: the middle that flushed him. At first he was gonna
Speaker 2: step up, but then we had a rush from the
Speaker 2: right side that flushed him, and and and he was
Speaker 2: right there. So ain't nothing you can do after you
Speaker 2: run the guy around the horn and you take you
Speaker 2: two or three steps to secure it. So I'm thinking, awesome,
Speaker 2: Riches played nice. I think with Losco, I think he
Speaker 2: played nice. And you and and when you see this
Speaker 2: from your tackles, because between the guy that you mentioned,
Speaker 2: your dogga and these two guys those we gotta find
Speaker 2: the swing tap. Gotta be one of them. Gotta be
Speaker 2: one of these guys. So it's gonna be a great competition.
Speaker 2: And I promise you when we get out of Dallas,
Speaker 2: we won't be doing the show together. But after this
Speaker 2: second preseason game, we can't sit up and we ain't
Speaker 2: gonna have a luxury to say it was the first
Speaker 2: preseason game. We're gonna have to either be saying, these guys,
Speaker 2: this is your guy, he looks like you're guy, or
Speaker 2: we'll be just ready to discuss well, when.
Speaker 4: We talk about the backup tackle spot.
Speaker 3: You know what Nate's saying is basically a game day
Speaker 3: backup because if anything goes wrong, Tyler, Tyler Smith's your your.
Speaker 2: Full time, full time back up. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So then again it's the guard position that they gotta
Speaker 3: concentrate on. All Right, We're gonna take a short break
Speaker 3: here on Mick Shots, and now we'll start going over
Speaker 3: some individual performances, because there was a few individual performances
Speaker 3: that you put a five star on. I thought for
Speaker 3: a first preseason game that next on Mixshots, I'm.
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Speaker 3: and Nate Newton. Here in cloudy, a little bit chilly, Oxnard, California,
Speaker 3: but not They wished that weather was like this back home.
Speaker 2: Right if people could walk outdoors right now in the
Speaker 2: weather we're in, they would cheer you hear you would
Speaker 2: hear all of Texas cheering. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 3: When we walked off that plane on Friday, it was
Speaker 3: around five o'clock. I swear we're coming down the walkway.
Speaker 4: My skin felt like it was burning.
Speaker 2: Oh and I called a few people who was coming
Speaker 2: off that flight because I called got time to just right,
Speaker 2: and called a few people. And the first thing it is,
Speaker 2: I'm wiltering I'm wiltering, That's all they was saying to everybody.
Speaker 4: I was like, Wow, I felt like the plants in
Speaker 4: my backyard.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, all right, So we're gonna get into some guys.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And I guess we should probably start with Deuce Vaughan,
Speaker 3: who has already become a hit with the people at
Speaker 3: AT and T Stadium.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: And you realize that when he had his big run.
Speaker 3: They're down at the four yard line and people in
Speaker 3: the stadium start chanting dudes, And I was thinking, Okay,
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy, you got to give him the ball at
Speaker 3: the four yard round and they did, and he.
Speaker 4: Found the hole and scooted it through for a touchdown.
Speaker 4: So your thoughts on what you see?
Speaker 2: I just knew he was gonna start with number thirty five?
Speaker 2: What his name? Yeah, I just knew you was going
Speaker 2: so okay, I have to kind of stop in midstream. Okay,
Speaker 2: because Mickey, you've heard me, said producer Chris Beab has
Speaker 2: heard me sayd I ain't no I want no Deduce
Speaker 2: band fan say he has to show me out of
Speaker 2: all of these guys, you're gonna have to pull a
Speaker 2: Missouri and show me. And from day one, in training camp,
Speaker 2: he's been like, mister Newton, this is who I am,
Speaker 2: and he ain't saying this person, but just the way
Speaker 2: he's been a professional way he's practiced because I only
Speaker 2: thought that he was a gadget player. I don't like
Speaker 2: gadget players. They can't help you win games in my estimate,
Speaker 2: but this kid is proven every day, every practice, every
Speaker 2: move that coach McCarthy's done with this kid, it's been
Speaker 2: a positive move the game. Positive moves out of the
Speaker 2: things I've seen out of the running backs. Positive So
Speaker 2: he's winning me over. And he's more than a gadget player.
Speaker 2: He's a football player. So I have to say this
Speaker 2: one time, mister Deuce, I'm riding with you. I'm still
Speaker 2: waiting though. I'm not gonna just jump the fence. I'm
Speaker 2: not that type of guy. But if you convince me,
Speaker 2: you got a fan for life.
Speaker 3: A carries fifty yards, including a twenty six yard run
Speaker 3: and a four yard touchdown run. He ended up catching
Speaker 3: three passes. It says three yards. The one was a
Speaker 3: big loss. He had a nine yard game, and then
Speaker 3: on kickoff returns he got one for thirty yards and
Speaker 3: he exploded on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was nice. And what he's doing is
Speaker 2: we have an all Pro returner. He's putting pressure on
Speaker 2: this all pro returner.
Speaker 4: So I'm all Pro returner. Better hold on to the football.
Speaker 2: This is what I'm trying to say, Mick is now,
Speaker 2: you have to be smart. If you are terping, you
Speaker 2: have to be very calculating in how you do things right.
Speaker 2: And I hate to say this, because you want a
Speaker 2: guy to be more than one thing to a team.
Speaker 2: Why receiver, third, punk returner, first kick return a second?
Speaker 2: Why I receive a third. I'm not saying don't work
Speaker 2: on your craft, but don't lose one to gain the other,
Speaker 2: because you become less valuable.
Speaker 4: Well, I thought the impressive thing.
Speaker 3: And and by the way, if you guys hear this
Speaker 3: like a drill in the background, we're not at a
Speaker 3: dentist office either.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yes, they're building something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's always doing something. I wish we had brash
Speaker 2: sham brasham. Start with the noise, so I splore see
Speaker 2: the guy right there, he's do what you gotta do, man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, go do it.
Speaker 3: At the other side, take a hint, I guess not
Speaker 3: the job to do it.
Speaker 2: I'm doing it.
Speaker 3: I thought The thing that stuck out to me about
Speaker 3: Deuce was the fact that he has this ability to
Speaker 3: put his foot in the ground and see where the
Speaker 3: crease is and just kind of scoot right through it.
Speaker 3: And he's got enough speed that once he gets through,
Speaker 3: if there's somebody facing him, he doesn't lose any speed.
Speaker 3: Side step in the game, right, It's just one step
Speaker 3: to the side and he's left.
Speaker 4: Them grabing air.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So I thought that was pretty impressive for his first
Speaker 3: opportunity to play in a game. Uh, the other guy,
Speaker 3: and we'll go back and forth offense defense, But you
Speaker 3: mentioned Themarvin Overshan.
Speaker 4: The kid can run, can he?
Speaker 2: Mick? I could have did a whole show on him.
Speaker 2: I turn on the film out here, every guy, I
Speaker 2: would act broadest you. It didn't matter who I asked
Speaker 2: this question, who is the defensive guy that you like?
Speaker 2: Who is the defensive guy that you like? To a
Speaker 2: man thirty five? We wasn't called, you know, we wouldn't
Speaker 2: call him over with his name. Yeah, it was thirty five.
Speaker 2: Look at thirty five, and look at thirty five. And
Speaker 2: I would look and I was like, oh, but when
Speaker 2: I popped on a little bit of film, when I
Speaker 2: would rant track somebody down. The first person I saw
Speaker 2: was number thirty five. I mean, and I'm running it slow,
Speaker 2: slow that down. I mean he got away of slipping
Speaker 2: by guys, and he's got so much speed and quickness
Speaker 2: till he can get out of his lane, get behind
Speaker 2: the guy, and get back in his lane for almost
Speaker 2: no gain. Don't let it bother you make almost this
Speaker 2: camp sounds sound no gain. And then number thirty three
Speaker 2: he's doing the.
Speaker 4: Same thing sideline to sideline. Yes, right, yeah, And think
Speaker 4: about this.
Speaker 3: He ended up starting five games last year, having missed
Speaker 3: all the off season, having missed all of training camp,
Speaker 3: and we saw how he was playing, and somebody and
Speaker 3: just tells you how people don't watch And obviously they're
Speaker 3: not watching training camp practice, like what they want to
Speaker 3: know who's going to be the linebacker starting next to
Speaker 3: fifty five, And it's like it's thirty three already.
Speaker 4: This kid. Did you see the one he ran down
Speaker 4: to the side that there was a pitch out.
Speaker 2: And he was on the Baie ran down the other Yeah,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, yeah, the moon Clark. We know they may
Speaker 2: fellas I'm old school, until you make the teams A
Speaker 2: lot of times it's just numb daimone. Clark is who
Speaker 2: we're talking about, and Over Shown it's thirty five. So
Speaker 2: just stick with me here and stick with Mick. Micker
Speaker 2: used the names more than I will. But these guys
Speaker 2: were running. It was three guys that showed up, showed
Speaker 2: out Mark, Keats, Bell, Over Shown, and Clark. These guys
Speaker 2: were constant, constant, constant. And I'm dropping ahead of the game, Mick.
Speaker 2: And when number thirty, when number fifty eight our first
Speaker 2: round picked Mazie and number ninety seven was showing out Olsa,
Speaker 2: he played white. When these guys were eating up blocks,
Speaker 2: these linebackers were unstoppable. And I know it was preseason,
Speaker 2: but I'm just saying, for a for a rookie and
Speaker 2: a first year guy, which i'm calling Clark a first
Speaker 2: year guy show up like that, I would hate to
Speaker 2: see when they scheme it up, how quick and fast.
Speaker 3: He And when I think, when we're talking about linebackers,
Speaker 3: really doesn't matter who was playing on the other side. Now,
Speaker 3: it matters when the offensive line goes against the defensive line, right,
Speaker 3: But from from a linebacker standpoint, you got to know
Speaker 3: where your fits are and where you're going and those
Speaker 3: two guys along with Marquise Bell, who led the team
Speaker 3: with ten tackles. Yes, ten and again and that's probably
Speaker 3: the most. Now he played last year, but he played
Speaker 3: thirty some plays in this game and show that he
Speaker 3: knew what was going on. So yeah, I thought those
Speaker 3: guys really really stood out defense. We've seen Juan yer Thomas,
Speaker 3: the safety make plays the first series. He gets an
Speaker 3: interception number thirty. Yes, and he's a guy that's pushing
Speaker 3: you know. He was on the practice squad last year.
Speaker 3: But he has some special teams capabilities too, so he
Speaker 3: certainly did himself some favors. Now, we're going to take
Speaker 3: our last break, and we're breaks already.
Speaker 4: Well, no, we only got yeah, we only got to
Speaker 4: forty five.
Speaker 2: We ain't got nobody outs.
Speaker 4: Do we have anybody after us?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have coach McCarthy. How you doing, a young lady,
Speaker 2: Good to see you.
Speaker 4: All right, All right, well we can do that.
Speaker 2: So where's he got with the bloor?
Speaker 3: He's right behind you, and maybe he can just take
Speaker 3: a break here for ten minutes.
Speaker 4: Oh, Lee didn't take a He certainly didn't take a
Speaker 4: suggestion there, did he?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, we can go a little longer today. That's right, yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: so we can't, okay, we can't. All right, Well then
Speaker 3: Chris Beams says it's time to take a break, So
Speaker 3: we will take a break here mix shots.
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Speaker 3: way in a little bit to Mike McCarthy's press conference.
Speaker 4: Move things up.
Speaker 3: Okay, two guys, I wanted to get to first, the kicker,
Speaker 3: Brandon Aubrey.
Speaker 4: He had.
Speaker 3: Kickoffs, which are important for this kicking job. He had
Speaker 3: five touchbacks, okay, kicking the ball really well at AT
Speaker 3: and T Stadium. As a matter of fact, I kept
Speaker 3: an eye on him when he was warming up, and
Speaker 3: it certainly showed the difference in his leg strength kicking
Speaker 3: at AT and T Stadium and not kicking into this
Speaker 3: blessed wind.
Speaker 2: Here had a cursed wind.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the cursed wind, the ruin of many a kicker,
Speaker 3: right and from in warm ups. He had the leg
Speaker 3: to hit from fifty one and fifty three by a
Speaker 3: good distance. So he's got the laying strength, he's got
Speaker 3: the pop.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: As for his performance in the game, he hit a
Speaker 3: twenty nine yard field goal. He was two or three
Speaker 3: on extra points, and I found out that one of
Speaker 3: the things that happened was that when they had the
Speaker 3: first couple kicks, the operations, the three man operation was
Speaker 3: a little slow, so I think they told they needed
Speaker 3: to speed up. Well, he speeded up on that extra
Speaker 3: point and hurried himself, so I think he needs to
Speaker 3: settle down. But again, that was his first NFL performance.
Speaker 3: I know he kicked in the USFL, but I think
Speaker 3: you can see the lage strength. Now it's a matter
Speaker 3: of consistency. Okay, so we'll see where the kicking thing goes.
Speaker 3: I'm sure the owner was sitting there going we left off,
Speaker 3: we're having trouble with extra points, and he missed one,
Speaker 3: and you want to be nearly perfect, and he was
Speaker 3: in the USFL, by the way, nearly perfect. So we'll
Speaker 3: see how he performs. But they had to be happy
Speaker 3: with that's his first NFL competition. The other guy that
Speaker 3: I think people probably figured out is they had to
Speaker 3: know the name of number forty nine John Stevens tight end.
Speaker 3: First time he's ever played tight end.
Speaker 4: In a game, and he leads the team.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And again stats aren't that important, but he led the
Speaker 3: team with five catchers for fifty six yards uh and
Speaker 3: had a touchdown catch there late in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3: We've been seeing him flash here. I was wondering what
Speaker 3: he was going to do in a game. He made
Speaker 3: himself available on seven targets to catch five passes.
Speaker 2: That's good. Good he did he do a little fullback too?
Speaker 2: Did he get some foods?
Speaker 3: I don't remember if they put him at an H
Speaker 3: back or not. They were using a lot of the
Speaker 3: other tight ends at H back, right McKeon, did I think.
Speaker 2: Did it also?
Speaker 3: So obviously he knows he has to improve blocking, but
Speaker 3: as an off the line tight end, I think he
Speaker 3: shows you why they turned him into a wide receiver
Speaker 3: in college. Right, three years that TCU didn't get a
Speaker 3: chance to play all that much, transferred to Louisiana, and
Speaker 3: again he was playing wide receiver at six six two
Speaker 3: forty five. So I just thought that what he did
Speaker 3: was rather remarkable. Because I talked to him after the game,
Speaker 3: I said, so tight end, maybe middle school, high school,
Speaker 3: some No, this was the first time he ever played
Speaker 3: in the game at tight end.
Speaker 2: That's great, that's great, And see you talking about him,
Speaker 2: But I'm talking about a guy who I was howling
Speaker 2: last year and I just can't wait for the season
Speaker 2: start for Jake First. Yes, absolutely cannot wait because he
Speaker 2: was trying to fight and block, to try to get
Speaker 2: in the way. He'll do everything he can, and every
Speaker 2: time we get a tight end that will block, it
Speaker 2: just increases the opportunities for Tony Pollard to be do
Speaker 2: his natural thing, and that's to get outside.
Speaker 3: So he had three catches for thirty eight yards, made
Speaker 3: himself available, but was blocking. Now I've contended that this
Speaker 3: guy will make everybody.
Speaker 4: Forget about Dalton Schultz.
Speaker 3: Yes, now that might be too bold of a statement,
Speaker 3: but I think he's more of a complete tight end
Speaker 3: because he will block. Yes, And I think we also
Speaker 3: saw the rookie scoon Maker that's a big man on
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage. He looks like a willing blocker too.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, if you're a big ten tight end and
Speaker 3: these guys coming from Wisconsin, you better be able to block, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is and that is what we've been missing
Speaker 2: the last few years, or the last two or three year.
Speaker 2: But the thing about it is we've been able to
Speaker 2: but this year here we're gonna need a little bit
Speaker 2: more of a run game. We're gonna play much better defenses.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to be just a little bit more balanced.
Speaker 2: And so we got guys that and like I tell people,
Speaker 2: and even the great Jason on Witting would tell you,
Speaker 2: they're all about being a perfect block. It's about being
Speaker 2: a willing, fighting blocker to get that that's able to
Speaker 2: get in the way and get positioned. So we got
Speaker 2: guys that can do that. Like I say, Tony, it'll
Speaker 2: help Tony Pollard and whoever's going to be the second back.
Speaker 3: That's almost like for a tight end. It's almost like
Speaker 3: playing basketball. You want to screen people off the play.
Speaker 3: Your job is not to really pancake people, right if
Speaker 3: you can find, but just know where you're supposed to
Speaker 3: be and screen guys off the play. And uh and
Speaker 3: if you notice, and this was no accident, especially in
Speaker 3: the most of the game.
Speaker 4: They were in a lot of too tight end.
Speaker 3: Yes, right, yes, So if you're gonna be in two
Speaker 3: tight end that much, you better have four tight ends
Speaker 3: that could right, I grew with, So it'll be interesting
Speaker 3: to see, uh Hendershot, you know, obviously one of them
Speaker 3: scoon Maker Ferguson and then we'll see what the fourth one.
Speaker 3: You know, do they go with McEwen just because of
Speaker 3: his experience or do I mean, can can you take
Speaker 3: a guy.
Speaker 4: Like Stevens and put him on the fifty three man roster?
Speaker 2: You know that that's that's that's not my decision. But
Speaker 2: the first two are good solid blockers and catchers, right,
Speaker 2: and Hendershot is my third guy because he's he's that
Speaker 2: he's a route runner. So the other guy, I don't know,
Speaker 2: Mick's up to what the coach see about. Now. The
Speaker 2: thing is it's always gonna come down to specialty, right,
Speaker 2: Can you be a special teams player or who's gonna
Speaker 2: be the willing h back? Yes, because they're gonna always
Speaker 2: be able to dress the young guy, you.
Speaker 3: Know, and that's what Q and did last year. It
Speaker 3: was kind of more of the h back of the group.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it'll be interesting to see that. They'll have
Speaker 3: some decisions to make. And then you know this Hunter Lipke,
Speaker 3: the full back. They use him as a one back
Speaker 3: and you know he'll play special teams, right, So that's
Speaker 3: gonna create some decisions that they've got to make here
Speaker 3: over the next couple of weeks because the cut is
Speaker 3: August twenty ninth, so they've got still what are we
Speaker 3: at the fourteenth, two weeks before they have to make
Speaker 3: the cuts, So they got some interesting decisions to make.
Speaker 3: But I thought those guys, you know, the Stevens and
Speaker 3: the Aubrey, who, by the way, I found out when
Speaker 3: he got to the USFL with Birmingham, he didn't have
Speaker 3: any competition because they only had forty five guys in
Speaker 3: a roster and they didn't have room to have two kickers.
Speaker 3: So basically he got recommended to Birmingham Stallions and it
Speaker 3: was his job.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So now this was the first time he's been in
Speaker 3: a competitive situation and the first time when we talked
Speaker 3: about John Stevens playing tight end, which is a little
Speaker 3: different than.
Speaker 4: And you know what, you know how confusing it was.
Speaker 3: I saw on the on the stat sheet they listed
Speaker 3: him as a wide receiver, not a tight end. Everywhere
Speaker 3: he's a tight end, but in the official play by
Speaker 3: play they listed him as a wide receiver.
Speaker 4: I guess just because he was out wide.
Speaker 2: Well, if me and you do a show next week,
Speaker 2: I can promise you I won't be sitting here saying
Speaker 2: this was the first preseason game because we're we are
Speaker 2: underway nine, right, and guys have to take it upon
Speaker 2: themselves to say, you know what. Normally, when I used
Speaker 2: to have to asks a coach how did I play?
Speaker 2: That mean I had a lot of plays that were
Speaker 2: very questioned. I was a little Yeah. So when you
Speaker 2: played good, I played decent. Then you have a confidence
Speaker 2: and you be waiting on the coach to come and
Speaker 2: patch you on the back.
Speaker 4: Right, So you.
Speaker 2: Walk off like I'm good, Yeah, I'm good. Yeah. So
Speaker 2: next week, you know, like I said, if we do
Speaker 2: a show together, I'll be like, nah, it's time to
Speaker 2: you know, do whatever it takes to make it happen.
Speaker 3: So what Nate's saying these next two padded practice out
Speaker 3: big big, big.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially if I'm in competition at the Guard. If
Speaker 2: I'm in the competition at Guard, I got you know,
Speaker 2: I know. I know who my z is now, I
Speaker 2: know who fourniac Hell is, now, I know who Ghosting is. Bro.
Speaker 2: I'm finna crush you now, Intice, I know you, I
Speaker 2: practice against you. I don't need no tape to crush
Speaker 2: you in practice and now and then she will make
Speaker 2: you more confident going into the game. It's like a
Speaker 2: lot of times you come up the ball timid well
Speaker 2: once you've done it, especially you've done it against Jacksonville's
Speaker 2: no slouch and you went against their first team and
Speaker 2: you farewell. Now next week it don't matter. You come
Speaker 2: off that ball and you do what you gotta do.
Speaker 2: You be the attacker.
Speaker 4: Nate Newton crushing it here on mix Shots.
Speaker 3: We will be back on Wednesday one more time from
Speaker 3: ox Star before we head back home and resume mix
Speaker 3: shots at the Star. Natal probably be back on his
Speaker 3: hanging with the regular show, and I'll get Bill Jones
Speaker 3: and Everson Wallas back with me and if we ever
Speaker 3: need help, Long Haul's gonna step in and help us out.
Speaker 3: Chris Beam, thanks for getting us going here. And that's
Speaker 3: it for today on mix Shots.
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