WEBVTT - Match Play and Professional Golf 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.800 I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. When 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:04.920 I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:06.960 And when I find my ball in a fried egg 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:11.520 Friday egg, the dreaded Frida egg, Friday Frida Egg brid Egg, fridagg. 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:13.239 Bride egg Lie, I'm about ready to run off of 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:40.760 the Welcome back to another edition of the Friday Golf Podcast. 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:44.199 I am your host, Andy Johnson. Today we are going 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:46.720 to break down the President's Cup. We are going to 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:49.320 talk about that for a little bit, but then we're 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:52.280 going to talk about match play and professional golf. And 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:56.520 I am joined by the steamed Shane Bacon. Shane's the 0:00:56.560 --> 0:00:59.040 host of the Getta Grip podcast. 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Like, 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:50.480 woke up Thursday morning and you go, oh, team golf, 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:53.240 this is kind of exciting. So I watched a decent 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:57.200 amount Thursday, Friday, Saturday. I watched almost none of it 0:03:57.240 --> 0:03:59.320 on Sunday because obviously I knew what was going to happen, 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:01.920 and I knew the USA was gonna win, plus football 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:04.480 was on and it started at noon, I would say 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:08.760 I'd give it a I'd give it a CNUS is 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:10.680 pretty much. I don't think there's any way I'll ever 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:13.400 give the President's Cup higher than a C in its 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:16.920 current iteration and current format. I mean, I think it's 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:21.360 an event that you and I both run businesses. We've 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:24.280 run our own business for a while. If we never 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:29.040 adapted or changed when things called for that, we, in theory, 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:31.440 would as people to do this for a living go 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:34.360 out of business. And the fact that this event exists 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:37.440 and never evolves and changes is I'll say this like, 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:39.280 you get older and you get more frustrated by stuff. 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:42.680 PJ had to understand this. But as you age, the 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:46.640 stuff that annoys you turns to anger and by you know, 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:50.000 by Saturday afternoon and you see the matches flip and 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:54.039 inevitable ability happens because the Americans are better. I just 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:56.960 find myself getting frustrated by this event because I do 0:04:57.000 --> 0:04:59.960 think this event could be awesome, and so for me 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.760 it's it's low c's. You know, no matter how exciting 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:05.520 the moments were in the middle of the matches. 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:09.800 I think I give it like a bus And I 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:14.920 say that because in terms of PGA Tour owned and 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:19.760 run golf tournaments, I think it's about as compelling as 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:22.680 they have. Like I reserve the a's for the majors 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:26.279 for the most part, and then some other events like 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:30.680 Ryder Cup, Solheim Cup, the women's majors are are to 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:34.119 me more compelling. But in terms of you know, run 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:36.680 to the mill, PGA Tour event or President's Cup, I 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:42.280 do think it's like way better. I have to say, 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:46.480 I don't think I like ever loved the format, but 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:49.760 I do like the format more and more every time 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:55.200 we have President's Cup. I love the one session Thursday 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:57.760 and Friday. I think it's just like a really nice 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:00.680 amount of golf. It's like, okay here, and I think, 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:03.040 like I do think this is one thing that Live 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:07.880 has done well, is like here's your five hour commitment, 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:10.400 and for the foursomes, it's like a three and a 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:14.160 half four hour commitment. Which is even better, is like hey, 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:17.840 there's a definitive start and stop time to this versus 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:21.400 most golf tournaments they just like go forever, you know. 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:26.200 So I do really like that element of the President's Cup. 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:30.479 But I came away from the weekend I watched a 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:34.520 way too, way too much President's Cup. I found myself 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:36.280 locked in, And I think a lot of it was 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:40.400 because team match play and just match play in general 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:47.680 is so vastly superior in terms of a television product 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:51.760 to seventy two holes of individual stroke play. And there's 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:55.520 so many reasons why. And it even goes down to 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:59.599 like the mentality of players, Like when you're playing seventy 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:03.520 two holes the stroke play, your sole focus really is 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:08.240 avoiding mistakes and running into birdies. Like that's like your strategy, 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:12.040 and that's every the strategy that everybody is employing. In 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:19.040 match play, you see aggression, aggressions, rewarded, aggressions penalized. If 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:21.680 you're up big, you could start to play conservative and 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:25.720 the other players starts to play aggressive. You see different styles, 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:31.400 you see there's interpersonal battles between the players. It is 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:35.720 just a better format for golf. It breeds more storylines, 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:39.680 it breeds more action, it leads to more heroic shots. 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:42.320 And I think the thing that I came away from 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:46.000 this week with was God, Like, how come we only 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:49.640 get team match play or match play in general on 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:53.320 the women's side, and professional golf we get the match 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:57.640 play tournament and the Solheim Cup every two years. 0:07:57.120 --> 0:08:01.320 On the men's side, I mean the answers TV right. 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:04.600 I mean the fact that that we are so scared 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:08.720 of what was that first match play mcaren in Sutherland? 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:10.880 Was that the first one they had? I mean, the 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:15.360 fear of this has taken away everything you just said 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:19.200 about a format that everybody plays. Every golfer plays match 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:23.800 play almost exclusively when they play money games against their buddies. 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:26.840 Every you know, club championship for the most part across 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:29.720 the country ends in match play. I mean stroke playing 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:31.400 and match play is the best way to do it. 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:33.920 In my opinion, I think everything you said is spot 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:37.440 on about match play. It makes people dislike other people 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:40.800 in a sport, which is unique. Scottie Scheffler and Tom Kim, 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:43.760 who are friends, are going at each other. That doesn't 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:48.679 happen in stroke play golf at all, because it doesn't matter. Yes, 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:51.040 I mean, this is this is what's so fun. I mean, 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:52.880 who is it? Was it Sam Burns and said after 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:54.959 Friday I wanted to put a helmet on and take 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:58.280 my shirt off. I mean, this is never gonna happen 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:00.400 in stroke play. And you know, you set it off 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:03.640 the bat about the PGA Tour entities, if you will, 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:08.000 two of their biggest entities is one event that won't 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:10.920 change that has match play, and that's the President's Cup. 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:15.720 I mean, this is like the Patriots bills, you know, 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:19.120 during the Brady era, right where it's like, it's not rivalry, man, 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:22.920 This is like Yankees Red Sox before four. Not a rivalry. 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:24.600 You can say it's a rivalry all you want, it's not. 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:26.439 I mean, one team is going to beat the other 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:28.760 team every single time they roll out. And then the 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:32.679 PJ Tour owns this other entity that is extremely uninteresting 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:35.800 in the FedEx Cup finale, the Tour Championship, but could 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:37.960 be one of the best events in golf if you 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:41.000 weren't so scared of match plays. So it's so interesting 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:44.880 that you have literally on each side of these arguments, 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:49.280 you have a format that tends to lend itself to 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:51.800 uninteresting results, and that's what we see with the staggered 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:53.880 start of the Tour Championship. And then you have this 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:55.600 one event that has a whole bunch of match play. 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:58.199 But we haven't evolved in terms of the way the 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:00.920 event is put on. So so the fact that seven 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.000 through twelve on the international side is always going to 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:05.520 be the massive underdog to seven and twelve on the 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:08.720 American side lends itself to blowouts that we see almost 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:11.040 every year at the President's Cup. And even when it's interesting, 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:13.480 it's really not because you know, when singles roles around, 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:15.000 the Americans are going to inevitably win. 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:19.160 Yeah. I think I think like at its core, the 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:23.240 issue with the President's Cup is that the competition is 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:29.839 inherently flawed. And I do think like I think we're 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:32.920 seeing it with with global basketball, Like if you played 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:38.400 the USA versus the world twenty years ago in terms 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:41.480 of basketball, the USA would have killed the world. 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:43.920 They did. I think, yeah, they did. I think who 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:44.800 everybody out by forty? 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:48.320 Yeah. I think now if you put a World All 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:52.520 Stars team against the American All Stars team, they might win. 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:55.360 They might be the favorite, yep. And I think like 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:57.960 this is the thing, like golf is becoming more of 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:01.520 a global game, but when if you don't have Europe, 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:06.200 like that's like they have the best players other than 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:10.320 the USA. And I think like Australia has had a 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:14.040 lot of great players, but they're modern great players playing 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:17.360 on live and not unavailable at MPGA Tour event. You know, 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:19.560 I think the Americans are missing a couple of players 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:22.880 that would be really good on their side because of live. 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:25.640 So it kind of evens out in that sense. But 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:28.480 in terms of like one of the biggest issues, the 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:32.600 biggest issue of the event is that the talent is very, 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:36.840 very lopsided. The American team is just better. I don't 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:39.440 really know how you address it. The event is still 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:43.439 interesting because it's a team matchplay event, Like, it's still interesting. 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:47.840 The talent disparity is tough and it's going to make 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:53.520 the event overall limited because of that. But I think, like, 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:57.880 I don't know how you walk away from what happened 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:02.320 on Friday and Saturday and say, like, all right, we'll 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:05.400 have match play on the PGA Tour in two years. 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:09.760 This is like the best some of the best viewing 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:12.800 in the last since yeah, the Open, I mean since 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:14.720 the Solheim Cup. I mean the Solime Cup, of course, 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.400 is also a match play event. But you know it's 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:22.199 you dig in Andy. I had one of the bigger 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:26.520 NFL broadcasters in the sport text me Sunday morning and 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:29.079 say should I be interested in the President's Cup today? 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:32.160 And you know, it's hard to sell Sunday because again, 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:34.040 and I've said this on Twitter, I think I wrote 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:36.840 it back in twenty twenty one. I think the singles 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:40.480 finishing these events is the least interesting part of President's 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:42.800 Cups and Ryder Cups. Now, Ryder Cup is obviously more 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:44.920 interesting because the talent level is a little bit more equal, 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:47.880 and typically Sunday singles, you know, kind of figure out 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:50.559 who wins if it's not an enormous blowout, but when 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:53.160 it's a big lead, there's just no chance the internationals 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:55.360 are ever going to come back in Sunday singles. I 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:58.880 wish they'd roll out Sunday singles maybe on Friday or 0:12:58.920 --> 0:12:59.520 split it up. 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:02.880 Like what is the issue then? Is like what if 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:05.920 they're down eight points going in? 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:10.080 But could you make Sunday Saturday? Andy? Could you go 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:14.600 five to five on Sunday? So you do? Or even four? Four? 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:15.840 You do? You know? 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:16.320 Four? 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:19.240 I mean, I really dislike four ball in this format. 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:21.280 I just don't think best ball is that interesting, but 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:24.200 I think ending an all shot would be extremely interesting. 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:25.839 So maybe, but you you. 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:28.360 Basically just so what if you just got rid of golf. 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:31.560 I mean, I think getting rid of singles would be 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:34.200 like you and I've thrown around a million ideas about 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:35.640 how to change the President's Cup. I mean, I mean, 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:37.440 I think the most popular one is obviously go in 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:40.040 six male, six female players, and I think that would 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:42.720 make it one of the great sporting events in the world, 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:44.559 not just one of the great golf events. I was 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:46.400 talking to my wife about this this weekend, who is 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:49.160 not a golfer, not a golf fan, and I said, 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:53.319 there's not really an event that exists like this where 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:55.560 you could throw men and women on the same team 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:57.640 and have them play and have my rule would be 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:00.679 no restrictions, like you could have two men like two women, 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:03.760 one man one woman versus two men or two women 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:05.640 or whatever the case may be. Right, if you make 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:09.079 the teas the correct distance, which they would do, it's golf, 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:10.200 right at the end of the day, and you go 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:13.200 out there and play. That's been a popular one. It 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:15.600 doesn't seem like it's gonna happen anytime soon, right. 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:18.920 But definitely not. I think like I like buy and 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:22.200 I think we'll get into this. Like my big takeaway, 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:25.480 we need more matchplay events and I think we me 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:28.400 and you both came up with some ideas for matchplay events. 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:31.600 To me, that's just like a new event, right, Like 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:34.960 I see everybody saying, oh, this event needs to happen, 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:38.960 Like okay, yeah it could. It should happen, and somebody 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:44.080 should make it the next billion dollar golf property. Like 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:48.080 the PGA Tour desperately wants to buy the right. This 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:50.400 is like the other thing that blows my mind. The 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:54.760 PGA Tour desperately wants to buy the Ryder Cup, which 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:57.760 is a team matchplay event, but they want nothing to 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:00.680 do with match play anywhere else, Like. 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:02.360 Well, because but they want to buy they about the 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:04.960 shiny object, you know that. I mean, it's because it's 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:08.400 because it's so good and it's so popular, and it's 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:11.240 been so competitive and it's so interesting and it's a 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:13.080 lot of golfers either one or two in terms of 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.160 their favorite events. I don't think they care about the 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:16.800 format because of its popularity. 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:20.720 Yeah, but this is what they're missing, Like, let's look 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:24.160 at why it's so popular and how can we like 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:27.000 we're the PGA Tour, how can we make more of those? 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:31.240 Like that's what what boggles me my mind. Is like 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:34.440 like this is just it's just so evidently clear what 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:39.400 fans want. Like even the match which is I mean 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:41.600 you've been a part of the broadcast, Like that's a 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:44.720 hard thing to put on live TV. There's two people 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:48.920 or four people on a golf course for like six hours. Yeah, 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:51.640 and you have so much airtime to fill. But the 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:56.360 ratings are huge. They're massive because it's match play. It's 0:15:56.360 --> 0:16:00.000 easy to understand it's one person versus the other. It's 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:03.000 it's not like, well, this guy's through twelve, he's got 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:06.120 a couple easy holes. Like it's really easy to follow. 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:10.120 It's it's easy to understand when you talk to somebody 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:13.360 about like what's going on. Is this person is playing 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:13.840 this person? 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:16.200 You can explain the rules in like a minute, right 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:18.600 versus stroke player. God forbid trying to explain the Tour 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:21.320 Championship to somebody. But you know, like even on YouTube 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:23.360 golf Andy, which is obviously blown up as of late, 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:27.000 Like if Bob does Sports has a video and it's 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:30.400 stroke play, I'm not gonna watch it most of the time. 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:33.520 But if it's a match play YouTube golf video, I 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:38.200 will dive in. Because again, the ruling monoemano to two 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:40.760 versus two, whatever the case may be, it is so 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:44.440 much more interesting to watch in terms of the viewership. 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:47.040 And but you know, the one thing I pushed back 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:49.800 on the idea, and again, I think we've hammered this 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:53.360 male female President's Cup thing for long enough and obviously 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:54.960 it's not gonna happen. It's not gonna change. And I 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:57.200 was listening to the No Lane Up Live show last night, 0:16:57.280 --> 0:16:59.520 Cody said he's talked to people the LPGA and that's 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:02.360 every minute conversation about it, which is wild to hear. 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:07.760 But the problem with introducing a new team event is 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:11.000 for these American players, now that's three, you know, and 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:14.359 for Scottie and Colin and Max and these players that 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:17.680 are on these teams every single year, you are going 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:20.600 to exhaust them in terms of not just their ability 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:23.280 to play well, but just how committed they are to 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:27.200 the interest. Like I promise you, the Ryder Cup was 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:29.360 a big conversation this week in the American team room, 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:31.040 right even though it was a President's Cup, like it 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:33.240 was on the broadcast with mcinley, He's talking a lot 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:35.240 about the Ryder Cup because that's the experience he's had 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:39.399 now you introduce something new. So I guess the reason 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:41.840 I feel like this is the best place to sneak 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:44.320 in in terms of a team matchplay event for the 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:48.320 LPGAPGA Tour crossover is because it replaces something that needs 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:51.879 to be replaced and it still keeps interest on both 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:55.159 sides potentially, and it makes the international team stronger. But 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:57.040 we've hammered all that home, like that's been something we've 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:59.720 talked about online for forever, and I'd love to have 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:01.520 a new team event where that would be the case. 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:03.600 But again, now you've got to ask these American players 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:06.560 to now play a third event, which is a hard 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:08.080 sell to a lot of these players, Like they I 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:11.280 don't know if they'd want to do that if they're not, sadly, unfortunately, 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:12.439 if they're not getting paid for it. 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:16.879 I will say, this is the time for this conversation 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:21.320 to be happening while the tour is seemingly a little 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:23.840 bit in flux and they are looking at how they're 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:24.920 going to restructure. 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:25.760 For sure. 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:30.199 I also, like, you know, I think a lot of 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:32.480 people are like, why why do these guys need to 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:33.040 get paid? 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:33.679 What? 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:38.439 You know, I have some sympathy, like if I asked you, 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:43.440 Shane to go do like a talk somewhere across the country, 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:47.119 and I said, you know what, it's not paid, like 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:49.240 but you know, go do their buddy, so do it. 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:52.199 And you're like, well, yeah, that's my job. Yeah exactly. 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:56.000 So like to me, like these events can be paid. 0:18:56.359 --> 0:19:00.080 There's lots like, let's not be naive. The reason that 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:02.840 that there has never been a conversation with the LPGA 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:06.080 about a split with the President's Cup is because they 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:08.760 don't want to share the money that they make, you know, 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:10.440 the which runs a bomber. 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:14.240 That's so stupid, like like spread the wealth, man. I mean, 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:16.240 think about what Scotty just won this year. Now I 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:19.399 know it was an outlier season, but you know, like 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:22.800 this is the sport. You if you want to preach, 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:26.320 grow the game. If you want to preach let's elevate 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:29.879 the sport across all platforms, then let's truly elevate the 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:31.320 sport across all platforms. 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:35.240 So well, my other point here, the tour doesn't want 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:38.760 to split it with the LPGA, but the President's Cup 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:42.720 makes enough money where they could pay the players a 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:46.359 nominal fee to show up that it's not a waste 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:47.480 of time, Like the. 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:49.520 All Star weekend? Does that right, Andy, don't they don't? 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:51.120 They pay if you man, you may and then like you, 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:54.160 you progress through the playoffs and you get bonuses. Now granted, 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:56.159 like making the NFL playoffs is what all the players 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:58.120 want to do, but every step of the way, you're 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:00.959 getting more money. I mean, this makes sense. It's your 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:04.360 job to your point on the on the whole speaking analogy. 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:06.760 And and I think like the the thing is, like 0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:11.680 you could build in more team events into the calendar. 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:14.879 I wanted to talk to you. I think, like getting 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:19.040 to the core of what makes match play so such 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:23.000 a great format is like you've played a lot of 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:26.359 amateur match play. I used to a long time ago. 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:30.080 Maybe we'll be playing in the spring. We will play, Yeah, 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:35.200 will be. But like I think, like the core of 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:41.280 why match play really works centers around like just the 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:45.240 experience and the mentality of the player in a match. 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:50.680 Like winning a hole in a match is a consequent 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:56.200 Like it's a consequential feat Like you have to work hard, 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:58.760 and I like, I mean, like I don't know about you, 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:01.680 but like there are times you're playing mono imano match 0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:05.080 play at a high level match I'm on a green, 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:08.560 I'm twenty five feet away, the player I'm playing is 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:13.159 definitely gonna make a bogie, and I still feel like 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:16.600 a lot of anxiety for sure. For sure, like you 0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:20.399 need to, like it's hard to win holes. It is 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:23.280 like a grind to win holes if they all feel 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:26.919 like these small victories way more so than just like 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:31.840 making a routine par in stroke play, where like stroke play, 0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:34.200 you're just kind of like you've got Like I feel 0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:36.399 like the way stroke play works a little bit is 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:40.160 you have this anxiety early, you get into a rhythm 0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:43.479 and you have a couple moments of bother but for 0:21:43.520 --> 0:21:45.639 the most part, you're just kind of you kind of 0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:48.439 just cruise along and then you finish your round and 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:50.399 you might have a little bit of anxiety at the 0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:52.800 end of the round trying to just get the get 0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:55.440 a good round done, get it finished, a good round, 0:21:55.800 --> 0:21:59.640 or salvage something that's a little off. Meanwhile, when you're 0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:03.960 playing a match, it is like it's just mentally exhausting, 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:07.800 Like you you just feel this anxiety, that anxiety you 0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:10.199 usually reserved for like the start of the round. For 0:22:10.280 --> 0:22:14.960 me personally, you feel that like throughout the round and. 0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:17.280 It for I would say this too. I think something 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:19.600 that I find so cool about match play versus strokeplay 0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:23.680 is in match play, your opponent forces you to make 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:27.439 decisions versus you and making decision yourself. You know, somebody 0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:29.960 stuffs one like yesterday, what was it? Was it? Sam 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:33.160 Burns and Tom Kim on seventeen. It's like, hey, it's 0:22:33.160 --> 0:22:36.480 a tuck flag. You're playing stroke play. You're and especially 0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:38.639 these professional golfers that are so good at hitting their marks, 0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:41.359 it's like, twelve feet left, I'm not gonna take this 0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:43.640 flag on. I can make a twelve foot or whatever. Right, 0:22:44.480 --> 0:22:47.840 your opponent hits it three feet everything changes. Everything you're 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:50.000 doing changes. If you're on a short part four that 0:22:50.080 --> 0:22:52.440 you can drive and your opponent goes first and hits 0:22:52.480 --> 0:22:54.760 it on the green, there's no laying up and what 0:22:54.800 --> 0:22:57.119 you're gonna do. You've got to now take that green on, 0:22:57.200 --> 0:22:59.159 even if you don't love the golf shot. That is 0:22:59.200 --> 0:23:01.159 not the case of in stroke play. I mean you 0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:03.480 go back to the Zach Johnson Masters Win right, Zach 0:23:03.560 --> 0:23:06.240 Johnson sticking to a game plan of never taken on 0:23:06.280 --> 0:23:08.920 those par fives in two. If it was a match 0:23:08.960 --> 0:23:11.760 play situation there and you're playing Bubba Watson and you're 0:23:11.840 --> 0:23:14.600 Zach Johnson, You're inevitably gonna have to take on thirteen 0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:17.159 and fifteen with a wood or a long iron because 0:23:17.320 --> 0:23:19.159 he's gonna be up there close and being able to 0:23:19.160 --> 0:23:21.440 go for the green and two. It's just to your 0:23:21.440 --> 0:23:25.320 point about every hole mattering. Every hole forces the decision 0:23:25.359 --> 0:23:28.280 either for you to play smart. Oh man, this guy 0:23:28.320 --> 0:23:30.120 hitting the water right now, I'm gonna you know, now 0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:33.560 I can play this thing easy, you know, or this 0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:36.320 guy just stuffed it to five feet par does nothing 0:23:36.359 --> 0:23:38.000 for me. Here par's a loser. I might as well 0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:38.840 make triple, you know. 0:23:40.200 --> 0:23:42.320 And and here's the thing is, like there are just 0:23:42.400 --> 0:23:46.560 the monumental reversals too, where somebody hits in the water 0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:49.600 and then they hit a miraculous nets yes, and they 0:23:49.600 --> 0:23:52.879 can flip the hole. Like there's just like there's so 0:23:53.080 --> 0:23:58.840 much more entertainment value throughout the proper product. And I understand, like, 0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:02.920 let's talk about the pitfalls of it, right, Why does 0:24:02.960 --> 0:24:07.640 this not happen? It can be flukier, Like what don't 0:24:07.960 --> 0:24:11.359 people like about match play? Match play can be a 0:24:11.400 --> 0:24:14.480 little bit of a flukeier outcome, Like there can be 0:24:14.520 --> 0:24:18.159 more upsets because you know it's just eighteen holes. You know, 0:24:18.320 --> 0:24:21.119 over seventy two, it's way more likely that the best 0:24:21.119 --> 0:24:24.480 players end up on top, you know, over an eighteen 0:24:24.480 --> 0:24:28.200 hole match where high scores aren't really penalized, where they're 0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:30.879 kind of thrown out, you just lose one hole, you 0:24:30.920 --> 0:24:33.640 can have a little bit flukier results. 0:24:33.880 --> 0:24:34.080 Yeah. 0:24:34.320 --> 0:24:38.000 The other big issue is always going to center around 0:24:38.160 --> 0:24:45.400 that final day telecast where you have just a eighteen 0:24:45.480 --> 0:24:49.360 hole final or thirty six hole final with potentially two players. 0:24:49.400 --> 0:24:52.600 You see it in the US AM and it's just 0:24:52.640 --> 0:24:54.560 like there's a lot of dead time, Like what do 0:24:54.600 --> 0:24:57.720 you do as a broadcaster? I imagine that's hard. 0:24:58.000 --> 0:25:01.440 Yeah, I mean, like so I always equate match play, 0:25:01.520 --> 0:25:03.040 especially when I was doing the USA AM, Ary Andy, 0:25:03.040 --> 0:25:05.600 and I think you'll appreciate this comp To me, the 0:25:05.640 --> 0:25:09.120 comp is March Madness. Okay, because if you're a March 0:25:09.160 --> 0:25:11.960 Madness fan, which I'm assuming most sports fans are, right, 0:25:12.000 --> 0:25:14.000 I mean a lot of people would probably rank that 0:25:14.040 --> 0:25:16.480 first weekend is one of their top three favorite weekends 0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:19.560 in all of sports. Match play is March Madness. Where 0:25:20.280 --> 0:25:21.960 I think we get and all the stuff you laid 0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:24.040 out is totally accurate Andy in terms of the stuff 0:25:24.040 --> 0:25:26.840 that's fearful about what match play presents, in terms of 0:25:26.840 --> 0:25:29.719 a TV product or something to sell product or all 0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:31.719 those things. Everything you said is right on. And if 0:25:31.720 --> 0:25:33.760 you're an executive at a network and you're looking at 0:25:33.760 --> 0:25:36.760 match play, you go Everything Andy said is spot on, 0:25:36.840 --> 0:25:39.240 and I agree with it. I think something I don't 0:25:39.320 --> 0:25:44.080 understand is March madness. I guarantee you ratings numbers, whatever 0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:49.080 the case may be, are much higher collectively on Thursday, Friday, Saturday, 0:25:49.119 --> 0:25:51.240 Sunday of that first weekend than they are when you 0:25:51.240 --> 0:25:53.520 get to the championship game because a lot of fans 0:25:53.560 --> 0:25:56.000 brackets busted. They don't care who the teams are in 0:25:56.040 --> 0:25:58.879 the final matchup. They have got of got burned out 0:25:58.880 --> 0:26:01.399 by watching a ton of basketball over two weeks. That's that, 0:26:01.440 --> 0:26:03.960 it's on Monday night, Masters week, all those things right. 0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:09.280 I don't get why golf doesn't look at match play 0:26:09.359 --> 0:26:13.480 the way a CBS and TNT or the NCAA looks 0:26:13.480 --> 0:26:17.000 at March Madness and says, while the final match can 0:26:17.040 --> 0:26:19.160 be a bit of a bummer at times, it might 0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:21.200 be great. You might have every now and again. Get 0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:23.560 John Ron versus Rory or John Ron versus s finish 0:26:23.600 --> 0:26:27.359 up epic dul awesome, right, Like, that's the dream situation. 0:26:27.760 --> 0:26:29.040 But a lot of the time you're not going to 0:26:29.080 --> 0:26:31.760 get that, especially in golf. But I don't understand why 0:26:31.800 --> 0:26:34.399 we don't look at a Wednesday, Thursday Friday of the 0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:36.919 Dell match play from back of the day and say, 0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:39.919 maybe Sunday is not going to be as interesting, but 0:26:40.000 --> 0:26:42.320 these first three days are going to be way better golf, 0:26:42.440 --> 0:26:45.359 way more interesting, way easier to sell than a Thursday 0:26:45.400 --> 0:26:47.840 Friday of a stroke play golf tournament. I think if 0:26:47.840 --> 0:26:49.880 we flip the mentality of the way we look at 0:26:49.880 --> 0:26:53.080 match play and say the money we make is on 0:26:53.080 --> 0:26:55.120 the front end at the back end, I think then 0:26:55.160 --> 0:26:56.919 people might open their eyes to the success of this. 0:26:57.000 --> 0:26:59.080 To your point on doing the match the US Amateur 0:26:59.160 --> 0:27:01.639 back in the day, those first two or three days 0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:04.359 most fun golf broadcast end of the year. Now you 0:27:04.480 --> 0:27:06.760 kind of inch closer to the last four matches than 0:27:06.760 --> 0:27:10.000 then the final two. In the championship match, it can 0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:12.280 be a bummer. I mean, I remember Curtis Luck and 0:27:12.359 --> 0:27:14.920 Dalky and Luck was up a ton after the first 0:27:14.920 --> 0:27:16.960 eighteen holes, and you go to lunch and you have 0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:19.679 to figure out ways to fill that's on the broadcast 0:27:19.720 --> 0:27:22.800 team and the research team to get enough information and 0:27:22.840 --> 0:27:25.600 find interviews with people to where when they're walking between 0:27:25.600 --> 0:27:28.600 shots you can relay information to the viewer that might 0:27:28.680 --> 0:27:30.879 keep them around for a little bit. But I don't 0:27:31.000 --> 0:27:35.120 get why Sunday scares everybody away from match play when 0:27:35.200 --> 0:27:37.359 Wednesday of Dell, back of the day when it was 0:27:37.400 --> 0:27:39.880 single elimination, in my opinion, was one of the great 0:27:39.920 --> 0:27:42.280 days in golf. Sixty four are the best golfers of 0:27:42.320 --> 0:27:45.240 the world. They're facing off, they're playing, there's gonna be upsets, 0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:47.359 guys are gonna go extra holes. You get that weird 0:27:47.400 --> 0:27:49.960 thing on the first t where some guys are going 0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:51.879 to the nineteenth hole and some guys are starting their 0:27:51.920 --> 0:27:54.600 matches and they were kind of like shuffling in between it. 0:27:54.960 --> 0:27:58.120 I always found that so compelling, and just because it's 0:27:58.119 --> 0:27:59.760 on a Wednesday, it seemed like it was really, really 0:27:59.800 --> 0:28:01.040 say scary for everybody. 0:28:02.160 --> 0:28:05.719 Yeah, yeah, I completely agree with what you're saying, and 0:28:05.800 --> 0:28:09.280 I think like we're going to get into solutions. But 0:28:09.440 --> 0:28:12.520 like one of the things, if it's an individual match 0:28:12.560 --> 0:28:15.560 play or like say it's a two person team, that 0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:19.520 gets to a final, especially when we're talking about these 0:28:19.560 --> 0:28:24.320 products that are television products. There's no reason why you 0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:30.119 can't financially incentivize a third place match, a fifth place match, 0:28:30.480 --> 0:28:33.680 and a seventh place match so that you have more 0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:36.919 than two groups on the golf course. Also, when you 0:28:37.000 --> 0:28:41.240 do that, you're raising the potential to have stars playing 0:28:41.360 --> 0:28:45.040 all the way to Sunday. So there's no reason why 0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:48.920 you can't have both if you just are a little 0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:53.360 bit more unique and an original in the way you're 0:28:53.400 --> 0:28:57.240 thinking about formatting the tournament, Like that's the thing that 0:28:57.320 --> 0:29:01.440 kills me to tie a bo. I didn't want to 0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:04.960 talk like do a huge President's Cup recap? Is there 0:29:05.200 --> 0:29:09.000 any player I wanted to talk more about, like ideas 0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:13.200 for mash play tournaments in pro golf. Is there a 0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:19.240 player or a couple players that you leave this President's 0:29:19.280 --> 0:29:21.320 Cup thinking differently about? 0:29:22.920 --> 0:29:25.000 I don't think so. I don't think there's anybody that 0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:27.480 changed my mind either way. I mean I liked what 0:29:27.520 --> 0:29:29.440 I saw to Seewoo Kim. I mean I liked the 0:29:29.440 --> 0:29:31.680 way he made putts and rolled it and chipped in 0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:35.040 and was like excitable on the golf course. But this 0:29:35.120 --> 0:29:39.040 event doesn't change my mentality on anything, it's just inevitable. 0:29:39.480 --> 0:29:41.560 You look at these teams, you know, when that thing 0:29:41.640 --> 0:29:44.320 switch flipped on Saturday night and you're looking at the 0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:47.200 score on Sunday, and then you get people comping, you know, 0:29:47.240 --> 0:29:49.920 twenty twelve and nineteen ninety nine and all those things. 0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:52.280 Ian Pulter's out walking through that door. 0:29:52.440 --> 0:29:54.840 Andy after the Rose, I pulled this up. Okay, so 0:29:54.960 --> 0:29:59.000 ninety nine right the flip flip it in Boston. The 0:29:59.040 --> 0:30:05.520 American team world ranking one, two, four, eight, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, 0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:08.160 sixteen outside of the two captains picks, so they have 0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:10.160 what what is that is that ten of the top 0:30:10.200 --> 0:30:15.000 sixteen players in the world, including one two four. I mean, 0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:18.520 that's crazy. Twenty twelve international team, Like, this team was 0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:23.880 absolutely stacked. Rory, Justin Rose, McDowell, Molinari, Loke, Donald Lee Westwood, 0:30:23.920 --> 0:30:27.680 Sergio Martin Kaimer Cole starts like, that's not what this 0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:31.080 international team is. Unfortunately, and there lies the biggest issue 0:30:31.280 --> 0:30:35.800 with this particular event is this, they just can't beat 0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:39.200 that team on the American side, unless unless the Americans 0:30:39.280 --> 0:30:41.760 just like played with half their set or something. The 0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:42.360 game's over. 0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:46.000 I saw this I think it was a justin ray 0:30:46.120 --> 0:30:52.600 stat where only one time in the last sum it 0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:56.800 was something like sixty six individual matches, and I think 0:30:56.800 --> 0:31:00.360 that now at this point is up to you know, 0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:04.880 eighty probably right, right, So one time, one time in 0:31:04.920 --> 0:31:10.680 the last eighty matches, once once has an in the 0:31:10.760 --> 0:31:16.600 international side had the OWGR advantage, like where their player 0:31:16.840 --> 0:31:21.760 or group of players are ranked higher than the Americans. 0:31:22.400 --> 0:31:26.920 I mean, it's mind boggling. That's like to put it 0:31:27.000 --> 0:31:30.440 in context, and I like, I know, cross sport references 0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:33.440 don't work all the time. That'd be like a football 0:31:33.440 --> 0:31:37.360 team saying, over the course of the last you know, 0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:41.160 eight years, we play this team every year, and one 0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:45.120 time we've had a player that plays a position that's 0:31:45.120 --> 0:31:50.640 better than the other team's positional player, right like once once, 0:31:51.120 --> 0:31:54.240 one time at a single position, a single match. 0:31:54.480 --> 0:31:57.280 Yeah, I mean it's just again, I mean, they. 0:31:57.200 --> 0:32:02.480 Played twelve individual matches yes yesterday, and none of them 0:32:02.840 --> 0:32:04.880 like you know, and this is like the problem is 0:32:04.880 --> 0:32:10.680 like the Americans, It's like, okay, we're gonna put the internationals. 0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:14.920 I think had the first pick they put out Jason Day. 0:32:14.920 --> 0:32:18.120 They're gonna put out one of their star star players 0:32:18.200 --> 0:32:19.880 it's like, oh, we'll put Xander out. 0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:21.760 Yeah, we'll put the guy that's the best player in 0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:23.680 the whole in the whole thing, like you you want 0:32:23.680 --> 0:32:25.600 that guy to play our cool Well, have Xander cum 0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:27.280 stomp you. And also and. 0:32:29.080 --> 0:32:31.760 Then and then just like it's like, Okay, we're gonna 0:32:31.760 --> 0:32:34.560 put out our highest ranked player hit Deecki. He's seventh 0:32:34.600 --> 0:32:38.040 in the world. Oh, we'll put Scottie up against that. Yeah, 0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:40.680 like we'll just put the best player on the planet 0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:45.160 against him. Like they have, they have no answers. I 0:32:45.240 --> 0:32:50.800 will say, I want to be I think Xander and 0:32:50.960 --> 0:32:55.200 can't Le continue to just ascend in terms of their 0:32:56.160 --> 0:32:59.120 their stature on the American team, and they play the 0:32:59.120 --> 0:33:03.440 American team player every single year. And I think those 0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:07.840 are the the clear Like I would lump Scheffler and Moricawa, 0:33:08.040 --> 0:33:11.440 but those four are the clear leaders of this team. 0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:15.120 It's no longer speak and JT correct it is that 0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:19.200 that is the the leadership of the American team. And 0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:22.280 I have to say, I mean they are. I think 0:33:22.320 --> 0:33:24.880 there is is stout and they've got as good of 0:33:24.920 --> 0:33:30.080 a record as any time any leadership that the the 0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:32.920 Americans have ever had. I mean Xander and can't Ley 0:33:33.040 --> 0:33:37.680 are are terrifying just their their demeanors are like I 0:33:37.680 --> 0:33:40.480 would hate to play against them. They don't give you. 0:33:40.520 --> 0:33:44.240 They play. They're great players, that are all around great players. 0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:46.760 They're great at every facet of the game. And then 0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:49.880 their demeanors are like they don't give you anything. 0:33:50.000 --> 0:33:52.880 No, not at all. I think Xander's going to go 0:33:52.920 --> 0:33:55.600 down in his career as the best American matchplay player 0:33:55.640 --> 0:33:57.720 of all time. That's what I think. I think when 0:33:57.800 --> 0:33:59.840 it's all said and done, he's going to be the 0:34:00.200 --> 0:34:03.320 we look at as the Monty or whatever you want 0:34:03.320 --> 0:34:05.600 to say. On the European side, I think Xander has 0:34:05.640 --> 0:34:07.840 a real chance to be that. Let's say, if he 0:34:07.880 --> 0:34:11.120 plays in three more Ryder Cups, in three or four 0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:13.840 more of these things. Last thing, on the Press Cup, Andy, 0:34:14.239 --> 0:34:16.920 we talked about seventy two hole stroke play cream rises 0:34:16.920 --> 0:34:19.120 at the top. One thing and I mentioned this off 0:34:19.120 --> 0:34:22.279 the top about the President's Cup, the elongated version of 0:34:22.320 --> 0:34:24.880 this starting Thursday in and on Saturday at Sunday. It 0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:27.760 being that many matches and that many points only plays 0:34:27.760 --> 0:34:30.520 into the Americans hands. If you wanted to give the 0:34:30.520 --> 0:34:32.879 internationals a chance with like this version of their team, 0:34:33.200 --> 0:34:36.640 which this today team two days would be the only chance, 0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:41.440 literally the only chance they'd have. Like you play, everybody 0:34:41.480 --> 0:34:48.400 plays all shot but it's like four days, four days 0:34:48.400 --> 0:34:50.840 and all these matches thirty points or whatever. It's like, 0:34:51.040 --> 0:34:53.160 of course, I mean, the Americans are never losing this. 0:34:53.520 --> 0:34:53.719 You know. 0:34:53.800 --> 0:34:55.799 I was listening to I was I told you I 0:34:55.800 --> 0:34:57.719 missed listened to No Laying Up Live show last night, 0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:00.520 and I don't I think it was and he might 0:35:00.560 --> 0:35:02.719 have brought up what I thought was one of the 0:35:02.719 --> 0:35:06.040 great points about the President's Cup. He said, if you 0:35:06.160 --> 0:35:10.080 rolled out the next twelve American players, not the twelfth, 0:35:10.080 --> 0:35:12.200 and made the team I. 0:35:12.200 --> 0:35:14.200 Talked on the shotgun started, maybe it was maybe it 0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:15.160 was maybe it was maybe it was you. 0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:16.920 Then yeah, maybe it was you that did it. If 0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:17.600 you roll out the. 0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:19.719 Next good about both of us. You know, if you 0:35:19.800 --> 0:35:20.280 roll out. 0:35:20.120 --> 0:35:23.160 The next twelve, would they have still won? And it's like, yes, 0:35:23.560 --> 0:35:26.200 they would, America would still win. You know, It's like 0:35:26.320 --> 0:35:29.400 I'm not, I would They might have be even money. 0:35:29.800 --> 0:35:33.080 I think I think that would be a really even matchup. 0:35:33.320 --> 0:35:36.719 I don't want like I was doing. I looked into 0:35:36.760 --> 0:35:39.360 this and like Austin Ekrot would be like the twelfth, 0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:43.600 the twenty fourth American. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's like fifty 0:35:43.640 --> 0:35:46.840 three I think in the owgr Mackenzie Hughes is sixty 0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:50.480 one in the OWGRY. So it's like pretty pretty equal. 0:35:50.880 --> 0:35:52.200 I think that. 0:35:52.040 --> 0:35:54.520 Andy, you said by the way, you said, you said 0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:57.560 the thing about Hideki, Like here's Adki and they're like, 0:35:57.560 --> 0:35:59.480 all right, we'll play it with Scotti against him. It 0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:03.359 reminds me of the Tony kukoach team, like Croatia team, Like, man, 0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:05.640 we got this stud young guy playing. They're like, all right, 0:36:05.680 --> 0:36:08.880 so we will have Pippitt and Jordan Gardam And You're like, oh, okay, 0:36:09.000 --> 0:36:09.640 that's scary. 0:36:09.719 --> 0:36:14.400 You know. It's uh yeah, it's it's just hard. It's 0:36:14.520 --> 0:36:18.560 just and I don't I like, I don't think the 0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:25.040 President's Cup necessarily should go away. I just I just 0:36:26.200 --> 0:36:30.080 maybe a couple of format tweaks, but I think in 0:36:30.160 --> 0:36:32.600 general it's a good It should just be one of 0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:36.600 many matchplay events. And let's talk a little bit about 0:36:37.120 --> 0:36:38.719 some ideas that you might have. 0:36:39.800 --> 0:36:43.880 Well, Okay, so I was thinking last night about like, 0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:47.440 why do these events feel bigger or more important to 0:36:47.480 --> 0:36:49.879 the player? Andy, I think you and Brennan have talked 0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:52.120 a lot about this with the Zurich, with the team 0:36:52.200 --> 0:36:54.720 event in New Orleans, where it feels like the players 0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:56.920 are having a lot of fun, but watching, nobody watching 0:36:57.000 --> 0:36:58.799 is having that much fun, you know, yea. And you 0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:01.279 see like some of these posts for Max about these 0:37:01.320 --> 0:37:03.359 team events, and you know, it's like the biggest week 0:37:03.400 --> 0:37:05.440 of his year and he has the most fun and 0:37:05.480 --> 0:37:08.000 he's so fired up and he enjoys it, and everybody's 0:37:08.000 --> 0:37:10.840 out there watching, Like you can tell, the team rooms 0:37:11.560 --> 0:37:15.040 have an amazing time being involved in these events. I 0:37:15.080 --> 0:37:17.160 think a lot of that is because of country, right, 0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:19.160 A lot of that is because you're representing your country. 0:37:19.640 --> 0:37:22.000 And I think about tennis a lot in this world, 0:37:22.040 --> 0:37:24.160 like the Labor Cup and the Davis Cup and things 0:37:24.200 --> 0:37:27.000 like that, which are team events and it's all centered 0:37:27.040 --> 0:37:29.839 around areas of the world or your country. So I 0:37:29.880 --> 0:37:32.680 think if you want to roll out a new matchplay event, 0:37:33.360 --> 0:37:37.640 I think it has to be country or territory involved, right, 0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:40.839 So you qualify for the team, maybe there's four Americans, 0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:43.799 you know, four players qualify, or maybe it's two. I mean, 0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:45.920 maybe two makes the most sense because then you get 0:37:45.920 --> 0:37:49.399 more countries involved. But you qualify for maybe a two 0:37:49.480 --> 0:37:51.680 year run and you have two or three of these 0:37:52.120 --> 0:37:54.359 like events where you play kind of like what we're 0:37:54.360 --> 0:37:56.600 seeing with some of these made for TV events. It's 0:37:56.600 --> 0:37:57.799 like you play on the back end of some of 0:37:57.840 --> 0:38:00.120 these tournaments on the PGA Tour, like a Tuesday in 0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:03.400 LA you play acc or something. But I think money 0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:07.360 is important to just compensate people for what they're doing. 0:38:07.719 --> 0:38:10.480 But if you want to get the players really invested involved, 0:38:10.760 --> 0:38:13.000 I think the way you've got to start is a 0:38:13.040 --> 0:38:17.080 concept that centers around representing your country, and I think 0:38:17.080 --> 0:38:19.839 that's something Lives tried to do with their teams. They've 0:38:19.840 --> 0:38:22.200 tried to make them a little bit of territorial with 0:38:22.360 --> 0:38:25.440 like who's playing on what crew. I think that's big 0:38:25.520 --> 0:38:28.719 for team chemistry and camaraderie and all those things. But 0:38:28.800 --> 0:38:30.239 I'd say if I was going to start with the 0:38:30.280 --> 0:38:33.000 professional match play of them, I think the way to 0:38:33.000 --> 0:38:34.560 do it is a you got to make a team's 0:38:34.800 --> 0:38:37.840 match play individually. I wish there was more events that existed, 0:38:37.840 --> 0:38:39.680 but I get why they don't. It's kind of the 0:38:39.680 --> 0:38:42.040 things we've laid out already. I think you've got to 0:38:42.120 --> 0:38:45.520 start with these team events are going to have countries 0:38:45.520 --> 0:38:46.520 play against countries. 0:38:48.320 --> 0:38:51.640 I like, I think that's a good idea. I like 0:38:51.760 --> 0:38:54.840 the slow burn of it, like over the course of 0:38:54.880 --> 0:38:57.280 a season. I think that's kind of like a cool, 0:38:57.440 --> 0:39:00.440 unique event and you're only asking for like a day 0:39:00.480 --> 0:39:02.960 of a time, a day at a time of these players, 0:39:03.400 --> 0:39:06.480 and especially with the way the world of golf is going, 0:39:07.280 --> 0:39:10.080 it's becoming like all the best players play the same 0:39:10.400 --> 0:39:12.640 on the same tour for the most part, outside of 0:39:12.800 --> 0:39:16.319 like live players, I'm not, but like they're all in in. 0:39:16.560 --> 0:39:19.000 They all play the same tour, and it's becoming more 0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:21.320 and more they all play the same events, so it 0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:26.000 becomes logistically easier to pull off, and like how cool 0:39:26.040 --> 0:39:29.319 would it be. It's like, hey, it's Tuesday of riv 0:39:29.360 --> 0:39:32.480 week and I'm not saying I'm not saying that LACC 0:39:32.600 --> 0:39:35.279 would do this, but or bel Air would do this, 0:39:35.680 --> 0:39:40.360 but it's like, yeah, like the tournament starts on Thursday, 0:39:40.400 --> 0:39:45.640 but Tuesday, we've got Roy Backleroy and Tom mckibbon playing, 0:39:46.200 --> 0:39:49.880 you know, representing Northern Ireland playing, Uh. 0:39:49.880 --> 0:39:52.040 You know Scott and I mean, let's just you know, 0:39:52.280 --> 0:39:53.799 just say it. I mean, you know, these these are 0:39:53.800 --> 0:39:55.800 the Americans. Scotty and Colin are you know. 0:39:56.440 --> 0:39:58.880 And they're gonna they're playing alternate they're playing an alternate 0:39:58.920 --> 0:40:01.040 shot match. Yeah, and it's part of this season. It 0:40:01.080 --> 0:40:04.440 would be like, oh, like cool, and maybe there's four 0:40:04.440 --> 0:40:05.400 groups of teams. 0:40:05.520 --> 0:40:08.200 Yeah, maybe four matches going, I think is the perfect number. 0:40:08.239 --> 0:40:09.399 It's perfect TV number. 0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:13.719 Yeah. I've always believed that four matches is what TV like. 0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:16.360 Yesterday you saw it with the singles. They can't follow 0:40:16.400 --> 0:40:19.000 all the matches. Twelve matches is just way too many. 0:40:19.360 --> 0:40:22.359 They can't do it. It's like four matches is the 0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:29.000 ideal perfect amount. Here's an idea I have, Uh, there 0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:33.080 used to be a World Cup of Golf similar you're 0:40:33.120 --> 0:40:35.880 representing your country, but like, why don't we have a 0:40:35.920 --> 0:40:41.680 World Cup match play event two man teams or two 0:40:41.680 --> 0:40:44.960 person teams? You could have a mixed World Cup as. 0:40:44.800 --> 0:40:49.320 Well, player on both sides of the Yeah. 0:40:48.680 --> 0:40:51.080 And so I had that, Like you may you alternate 0:40:51.200 --> 0:40:54.040 every other year again. You make it paid, you build 0:40:54.080 --> 0:40:56.440 it into the schedule, you make it an honor. You go, 0:40:56.920 --> 0:41:02.000 you go represent your country, and it is the World 0:41:02.040 --> 0:41:05.520 Cup match play. It's two person and it's like there's 0:41:05.640 --> 0:41:08.920 two qualifying rounds and then it cuts to you know, 0:41:09.239 --> 0:41:12.600 sixteen teams or something or eight teams whatever the right 0:41:12.680 --> 0:41:15.959 number is, and then you have alternate shot match play 0:41:16.000 --> 0:41:18.840 the rest of the way in and you have like 0:41:19.200 --> 0:41:22.719 the World Cup of Golf like so sick, yeah. 0:41:22.760 --> 0:41:24.840 The mixed event on that side, Andy so smart. It's like, 0:41:25.080 --> 0:41:27.239 so Scotty and Nelly would be a team. How fun 0:41:27.280 --> 0:41:29.439 would that be to watch? You get? What like Tom 0:41:29.520 --> 0:41:31.719 Kim and Jin Young Co. I mean, like I mean. 0:41:31.719 --> 0:41:35.120 Lydia Lydia Co and Ryan Fox from New Zealand would 0:41:35.120 --> 0:41:38.680 be fun. You know in England you'd have Charlie Hull 0:41:38.760 --> 0:41:42.320 and uh, who's the best English player right now? Hatton 0:41:42.400 --> 0:41:42.960 maybe yeah? 0:41:43.000 --> 0:41:45.600 Or Fitzpatrick or something Pat Yeah. 0:41:45.280 --> 0:41:48.480 Like there there are just like fun teams everywhere and 0:41:48.640 --> 0:41:49.560 maybe and you know. 0:41:49.520 --> 0:41:53.400 What else too, I do wonder like we move a 0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:56.520 lot of events around, like and I think it's important 0:41:56.520 --> 0:41:58.359 to move events around, a lot of the majors move around, 0:41:58.360 --> 0:42:01.279 obviously outside of the Masters and the Chevron On the 0:42:01.360 --> 0:42:04.880 LPG side, if you had this hammered home at an 0:42:04.880 --> 0:42:07.439 awesome golf course like the Old Course or something where 0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:09.520 like it, like kind of like the Dunhill where every 0:42:09.600 --> 0:42:12.000 year or every other year, whatever the case may be, 0:42:12.520 --> 0:42:15.000 it's being played at, let's say, one of the top 0:42:15.040 --> 0:42:17.400 cathedrals of golf. I mean even if it's if it's 0:42:17.440 --> 0:42:20.839 Stateside and you're playing, you know, I mean, if you're 0:42:20.840 --> 0:42:23.080 playing at Pine Valley, or you're playing at Cyprus Point 0:42:23.239 --> 0:42:27.400 or something where the golf course is as much of 0:42:27.440 --> 0:42:31.520 a star as the players involved in it and never deviates. 0:42:31.680 --> 0:42:31.880 You know. 0:42:32.120 --> 0:42:36.200 One thing I'm so a bit burned out by is 0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:39.040 I understand that selling corporate things is extremely important to 0:42:39.120 --> 0:42:43.160 making money by whoever's putting the event on. But I 0:42:43.200 --> 0:42:45.839 think we could play more awesome golf courses if we 0:42:46.080 --> 0:42:48.200 got more creative with the way we sold things and 0:42:48.239 --> 0:42:51.360 maybe didn't put grandstands in big corporate things up everywhere. 0:42:51.560 --> 0:42:53.360 I think some of the bigger golf courses would be 0:42:53.360 --> 0:42:55.960 more interested in something like that anyway, like making it 0:42:56.000 --> 0:42:58.120 walking only for fans or whatever the case may be. 0:42:59.120 --> 0:43:00.480 Kind of like you know, like I guess when I 0:43:00.480 --> 0:43:02.840 did that first match with Tiger and Phils, like everybody 0:43:02.840 --> 0:43:04.239 out there was just walking with the match, you know, 0:43:04.280 --> 0:43:06.920 they were just following along and enjoying it. I think 0:43:07.080 --> 0:43:10.160 you you could put that on a golf course that 0:43:10.520 --> 0:43:13.080 was as much of a star as Scottie Scheffler and 0:43:13.160 --> 0:43:16.200 I think again. You think about that Presidents Cup at 0:43:16.239 --> 0:43:19.200 Rull Melbourne. The event was great, but the golf course 0:43:19.440 --> 0:43:21.120 was fun to watch because that was a p that's 0:43:21.120 --> 0:43:22.239 a perfect match play golf course. 0:43:22.280 --> 0:43:25.120 You know. Well, everybody likes to say that the golf 0:43:25.160 --> 0:43:28.799 course doesn't matter what when you play match play, like 0:43:28.880 --> 0:43:32.759 it becomes non important. It's like, well, no, it's still important. 0:43:32.920 --> 0:43:35.279 It can matter if it rocks, it. 0:43:35.400 --> 0:43:37.040 Just makes the event better. 0:43:37.080 --> 0:43:38.319 Right, That's right. 0:43:38.400 --> 0:43:41.200 I mean you know, like like it doesn't make it worse. 0:43:41.360 --> 0:43:44.200 Yeah, Like I like, I can enjoy an NBA Finals 0:43:44.200 --> 0:43:46.560 if they play in the Sun's Arena, but it's probably 0:43:46.560 --> 0:43:48.279 gonna be better if it's in the garden or you know, 0:43:48.400 --> 0:43:48.920 or something like that. 0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:53.680 It's like, yeah, it's got imagine that there's actual built 0:43:53.719 --> 0:43:57.360 features that complicate where you might hit it. Like I 0:43:57.440 --> 0:43:59.920 mean I thought this this week. For example at Robot 0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:03.160 all Is, it was just best driver up there and 0:44:03.200 --> 0:44:04.719 get a wedge in your hand, hit it at the 0:44:04.719 --> 0:44:06.520 green and they got a lot of raid, and like 0:44:06.560 --> 0:44:08.960 that was you know, you can't control that. But at 0:44:08.960 --> 0:44:11.680 the same time, there's nothing at the golf course that 0:44:11.800 --> 0:44:14.319 would make you think about playing any differently than that, 0:44:14.440 --> 0:44:17.000 other than just pull out driver, hit it far and 0:44:17.120 --> 0:44:18.960 go find it and hit and watch it up on 0:44:19.000 --> 0:44:22.879 the green as much as you can. I think, like yeah, 0:44:23.040 --> 0:44:25.359 like the the golf course is badder, and I think 0:44:25.400 --> 0:44:28.759 the more like when you talk about a world match, 0:44:28.800 --> 0:44:31.920 play like think about the places you could go with this. 0:44:32.160 --> 0:44:34.880 You could play Japan, you could play in Australia, you 0:44:34.880 --> 0:44:37.880 could play in you could play in South America. You know, 0:44:38.040 --> 0:44:39.480 like it it would be great to go back to 0:44:39.520 --> 0:44:42.120 the Olympic course at some point when you know, maybe 0:44:42.160 --> 0:44:44.319 they're they're you know, the country is in a little 0:44:44.320 --> 0:44:47.000 bit better place than it's in right now. You could 0:44:47.000 --> 0:44:51.640 play in in you know, Scotland, Ireland, England, like at 0:44:51.920 --> 0:44:56.799 really great places. Like maybe you build again, like we 0:44:56.880 --> 0:45:00.160 have this like belief of we have to do the 0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:04.320 things this box, like maybe build the business model of 0:45:04.360 --> 0:45:08.080 the of the event that has less of an on 0:45:08.400 --> 0:45:12.480 ground present and it's more of a digital present. Knowing 0:45:12.560 --> 0:45:15.560 like we're going to have huge ratings, We're going to 0:45:15.680 --> 0:45:18.440 be able to do more on the digital side, so 0:45:18.480 --> 0:45:21.239 we're gonna build digital things that make us a lot 0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:25.359 more money. I love that you do you have any 0:45:25.400 --> 0:45:25.960 other idea. 0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:30.560 By the way, I mean like this to me. You know, 0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:32.560 ideas are thrown around a lot, and I love throwing 0:45:32.560 --> 0:45:35.040 ideas out on Twitter and stuff, ways to improve events 0:45:35.080 --> 0:45:37.680 or change things or something like this. But you know, 0:45:37.760 --> 0:45:40.279 this event like a World Cup of Golf, and this 0:45:40.440 --> 0:45:42.120 was this bleeds into a little bit of what I 0:45:42.160 --> 0:45:43.680 was going to say next, and it's just trying to 0:45:43.719 --> 0:45:47.840 figure out some way to combine men's and women's golf. 0:45:48.280 --> 0:45:51.160 Golf is the only sport that can do this. It's 0:45:51.160 --> 0:45:53.600 the only sport. It's the only sport that can be 0:45:53.640 --> 0:45:55.919 cross gender and be interesting. Right. It's it's the only 0:45:55.960 --> 0:45:58.799 sport that can involve men and women and still be 0:45:59.640 --> 0:46:02.000 as can competitive as it was. If you didn't do that, 0:46:02.280 --> 0:46:03.759 it could be as interesting as it was if you 0:46:03.760 --> 0:46:06.600 didn't do that. Only sport out there and we don't 0:46:06.800 --> 0:46:11.279 utilize it. That's crazy. That's absolutely insane, is the fact 0:46:11.320 --> 0:46:14.760 that we don't lean into something that would make golf unique, 0:46:14.800 --> 0:46:17.359 that would make golf stand out to anybody out there 0:46:17.360 --> 0:46:19.040 that doesn't care about golf. You know, if you want 0:46:19.080 --> 0:46:21.640 to bring eyeballs in, I mean, we both have daughters. 0:46:21.719 --> 0:46:24.680 Let's say when they're six, seven, eight, years old and 0:46:24.719 --> 0:46:27.480 they're golf fans, or maybe they're just interested in Nellie Korda, 0:46:27.840 --> 0:46:31.680 And you say, Nelly and Scottie Scheffler are playing as 0:46:31.760 --> 0:46:35.000 a team against these other two players that you like. 0:46:35.120 --> 0:46:37.319 You like Charlie Hull, or you like Gin Young Coo, 0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:40.960 or you like Nasa, like whoever you like. On that end, 0:46:41.920 --> 0:46:44.760 it's now going to be in this environment that shows 0:46:44.880 --> 0:46:48.279 how good she is versus the best male player in 0:46:48.280 --> 0:46:53.600 the world. Like that is so unique and exclusive to 0:46:53.719 --> 0:46:56.440 our sport, and the fact that we only see it 0:46:56.520 --> 0:47:00.359 andy like a couple of days at the Sharks shoot Out, 0:47:00.960 --> 0:47:04.879 is absolutely bananas that we don't lean into this more 0:47:04.960 --> 0:47:07.959 like these entities, the PGA Tour and the LPGA Tour 0:47:08.400 --> 0:47:11.680 should be in meetings weekly about how can we make 0:47:11.760 --> 0:47:14.680 our sport. How can we make these two things that 0:47:14.719 --> 0:47:18.000 float alone and don't really coexist. How can we make 0:47:18.040 --> 0:47:21.560 these things coexist not once a year, but multiple times 0:47:21.560 --> 0:47:25.480 a year, because to me, that's the inlet into a 0:47:25.520 --> 0:47:28.160 lot of places that golf can't get into right now. 0:47:28.560 --> 0:47:32.240 Well, it also goes to the scheduling. It's just talking 0:47:32.239 --> 0:47:36.320 about like, hey, we're thinking about this there, here, this here, 0:47:37.120 --> 0:47:39.360 so many times this year, it was like, Oh, we 0:47:39.400 --> 0:47:43.799 have a women's Major and a signature event and they're 0:47:43.840 --> 0:47:47.440 playing at the same time, right, And it's a conversation, 0:47:47.960 --> 0:47:52.359 this should not happen, right, Like we need, like there 0:47:52.400 --> 0:47:55.480 aren't that many golf fans around, we need to be 0:47:55.640 --> 0:48:00.759 smart and strategic about how we we like schedule our 0:48:00.800 --> 0:48:04.040 events so that we're not competing against each other, we're 0:48:04.080 --> 0:48:08.160 amplifying each other, because that's what the win is in golf. 0:48:09.080 --> 0:48:10.920 By the way, another idea I had Andy is I 0:48:10.960 --> 0:48:13.279 mentioned Zurich earlier, and you know, we kind of talk 0:48:13.360 --> 0:48:16.000 a lot about team events and match play, and we 0:48:16.000 --> 0:48:17.799 were talking a little bit about country. I think a 0:48:17.920 --> 0:48:23.280 very easy fix right now. Easy fix is like Zurich 0:48:23.320 --> 0:48:26.799 teams have to be teams or teammates on these teams 0:48:26.800 --> 0:48:29.040 on the team side of stuff, like you you have 0:48:29.080 --> 0:48:31.520 to play with somebody that would be on your President's 0:48:31.520 --> 0:48:33.080 Cup team, or be on your Ryder Cup team, or 0:48:33.120 --> 0:48:35.080 be on your you know, American side of that. Like 0:48:35.400 --> 0:48:38.279 that's got to be mandatory. And I almost think the 0:48:38.640 --> 0:48:40.840 Ryder Cup in the President's Cup could get involved in 0:48:40.920 --> 0:48:44.399 terms of sponsoring these teams, like shrink the field at 0:48:44.400 --> 0:48:48.200 the Zurich you know, make it twenty teams, thirty teams, whatever, 0:48:48.680 --> 0:48:51.719 but make it absolutely mandatory that you're a part of, 0:48:52.200 --> 0:48:54.360 Like you don't have to qualify for the team, but 0:48:54.719 --> 0:48:57.280 you have to play with somebody that's regional to where 0:48:57.320 --> 0:48:59.560 you would play if you were on one of these teams. 0:49:00.239 --> 0:49:03.560 Yeah, yeah, I like that. I think this the World 0:49:03.600 --> 0:49:07.960 Cup idea I put out there earlier. I do think 0:49:08.000 --> 0:49:10.239 the other thing you could do is you could make 0:49:10.280 --> 0:49:14.439 it a four person team and like, I think every 0:49:14.520 --> 0:49:18.360 count like a lot of countries have enough good golfers 0:49:18.400 --> 0:49:21.520 to be like, even if they're four hundredth in the world, 0:49:22.040 --> 0:49:25.000 they can play in this. We just saw what's his 0:49:25.680 --> 0:49:32.000 Anhel Hidalgo beat John Rahm at the Spanish Open, Like yeah, 0:49:32.200 --> 0:49:35.480 it's like super cool. So I think, like there that 0:49:35.480 --> 0:49:38.000 that's the thing, uh, one that I wanted to get to. 0:49:39.160 --> 0:49:44.840 I would love a nine hole match play tournament where 0:49:45.160 --> 0:49:47.920 they play nine hole matches and you just get like 0:49:48.040 --> 0:49:51.120 a frenzy of matches over the course of the week 0:49:51.600 --> 0:49:54.239 and the like the beauty of a nine hole match 0:49:54.400 --> 0:49:58.320 is it's so short that every shot is so consequential. 0:49:58.560 --> 0:50:01.960 I mean, it just ratchets up the pace and the 0:50:02.719 --> 0:50:06.960 frequency of important shots, like you saw it with the 0:50:07.000 --> 0:50:10.040 Presidents Cup this week. Like you like the front nine, 0:50:10.080 --> 0:50:13.000 it's like whatever, Like they're going along. When you got 0:50:13.000 --> 0:50:14.960 to the back nine, that's when you really get on 0:50:15.000 --> 0:50:16.799 the edge of your seat and you get like. 0:50:16.840 --> 0:50:19.799 Super sleepy for sure. In the eighteen old match play golf, 0:50:19.800 --> 0:50:20.319 I agree with. 0:50:20.280 --> 0:50:23.279 You, So, like, why not have like an event that 0:50:23.320 --> 0:50:25.839 has just nine hole matches and you play a bunch 0:50:25.920 --> 0:50:29.200 of them, like you play two or three per day yeap, 0:50:29.400 --> 0:50:33.120 and and then you can do like a really big 0:50:33.200 --> 0:50:36.920 round robin round before you cut it to you know, 0:50:37.080 --> 0:50:41.440 you could have a you know, a large field of 0:50:41.680 --> 0:50:46.040 eighty something golfers have huge sets of round robin play 0:50:46.480 --> 0:50:50.680 where it's like everybody's playing everybody in this round robin action, 0:50:50.880 --> 0:50:53.200 and then you cut it down and it's nine hole 0:50:53.239 --> 0:50:56.160 matches to the end. I think it would be awesome. 0:50:56.680 --> 0:51:01.000 I think like nine hole matches would be sinceational to watch. 0:51:01.840 --> 0:51:03.759 I wait a minute, hold on, you're getting crazy here. 0:51:03.800 --> 0:51:07.719 You're trying to make golf shorter. That doesn't seem right, 0:51:07.800 --> 0:51:10.160 not in a world of every sport in the world 0:51:10.200 --> 0:51:12.319 trying to kind of minimize the amount of time people 0:51:12.360 --> 0:51:14.480 spent enjoying their sport like that hadn't work for baseball 0:51:14.480 --> 0:51:17.360 this year, but you know that's crazy. I mean, like 0:51:17.520 --> 0:51:19.799 Nitty's was telling me a story of an event he played. 0:51:19.840 --> 0:51:21.799 I think it was in Australia a few years ago, 0:51:21.840 --> 0:51:23.360 when he was like hanging around him, I got to 0:51:23.440 --> 0:51:25.640 keep playing pro golf or is this kind of the 0:51:25.719 --> 0:51:27.840 end of the run. And it was nine hole matches 0:51:27.840 --> 0:51:30.239 he played Appid barn Rat and he said he got 0:51:30.320 --> 0:51:33.640 up one up, you know early, and he's like one 0:51:33.680 --> 0:51:35.200 up leading a nine hole match, you might as well 0:51:35.239 --> 0:51:38.279 be five of huge, huge, And he said, Appy barn 0:51:38.360 --> 0:51:41.319 Riot Rat like flags that on seven, flags that on eight, 0:51:41.360 --> 0:51:42.920 and all of a sudden, you know you're you're you're 0:51:42.960 --> 0:51:45.319 one down with one hole to play, and it's like 0:51:45.480 --> 0:51:50.200 the stress involved now your mind is all over the place. 0:51:50.280 --> 0:51:51.480 And I mean, you know you could get in the 0:51:51.480 --> 0:51:54.520 mind of these players with that. I love the like 0:51:54.680 --> 0:51:58.239 picking your opponent thing. I mean, I know that everybody's 0:51:58.320 --> 0:52:00.360 very sensitive. I wish we weren't so sense instead of 0:52:00.400 --> 0:52:03.600 with quote unquote hurting people's feelings, like you're a pro athlete, 0:52:03.640 --> 0:52:05.920 like you're playing this for a million dollars, Like get 0:52:05.960 --> 0:52:08.200 over it. But I love the idea of nine hole 0:52:08.239 --> 0:52:10.960 matches and you get to pick who you play. Maybe 0:52:11.040 --> 0:52:13.840 as it gets deeper, like maybe you got eighty players. 0:52:13.880 --> 0:52:17.560 To your point, Andy, you play three nine hole matches 0:52:17.600 --> 0:52:20.719 on Wednesday or Thursday, and you know, you know, the 0:52:20.760 --> 0:52:23.120 top forty move on the bottom forty, you're out, you're done, 0:52:23.160 --> 0:52:25.680 see you later. And then from that point forward, it's 0:52:25.719 --> 0:52:28.920 pick your players depending on the record. And I think it. 0:52:29.120 --> 0:52:31.440 You know again, you want to create drama in this. 0:52:31.600 --> 0:52:34.920 You want to make it interesting and for the viewer, 0:52:35.280 --> 0:52:38.080 and you want to care way less about the feelings 0:52:38.080 --> 0:52:40.560 of these players. Again, this is what they do for 0:52:40.640 --> 0:52:42.680 a living. If you're gonna make twenty million a year, 0:52:43.000 --> 0:52:44.880 you got to deal with somebody saying you suck right 0:52:44.880 --> 0:52:45.480 now at golf. 0:52:45.719 --> 0:52:49.400 And also, it's okay if you're if if you're a 0:52:49.440 --> 0:52:52.359 player and you're making all this money, you know what, 0:52:52.400 --> 0:52:54.440 it's okay. If you fly in on a Monday and 0:52:54.480 --> 0:52:56.120 you're flying home on a Wednesday. 0:52:55.840 --> 0:52:57.720 It's fine, that's fine. 0:52:58.000 --> 0:53:00.759 That's part of being a pro. Play better, play better, 0:53:00.800 --> 0:53:02.439 and you won't have such a short week. 0:53:02.760 --> 0:53:04.759 You know what, I don't get paid. I don't get 0:53:04.760 --> 0:53:06.480 paid ten million dollars a year. You know what I 0:53:06.520 --> 0:53:08.680 did last year at the US Amateur I flew in 0:53:08.760 --> 0:53:12.080 on Monday or on Saturday or whatever. I play practice 0:53:12.120 --> 0:53:15.319 on Saturday Sunday. You play Monday Tuesday. And you know 0:53:15.360 --> 0:53:16.719 what if you don't make match play, you know what 0:53:16.760 --> 0:53:18.440 you do? You fly your ass. 0:53:18.200 --> 0:53:20.440 Home and you don't you too, And you don't know 0:53:20.480 --> 0:53:22.120 how long to book the hotel for no? 0:53:22.880 --> 0:53:24.200 Like hey, like, do you book it for a week 0:53:24.280 --> 0:53:25.839 or do you book it for three days? Like I 0:53:25.880 --> 0:53:29.040 don't get paid to play the game, but I'm flying 0:53:29.040 --> 0:53:32.080 to these places with hope that my trip is longer, 0:53:32.360 --> 0:53:37.200 but understanding the trip might be short. And like, dude, Andy, 0:53:37.280 --> 0:53:40.799 the sensitivity around pro golfers over every other sport right 0:53:40.840 --> 0:53:43.560 now is insane to me. Nobody ever hits a bad 0:53:43.600 --> 0:53:47.080 golf shot, Nobody ever hits a bad putt. Everything's like 0:53:47.120 --> 0:53:49.720 a misjudgment of the of the break, or the greens 0:53:49.719 --> 0:53:53.600 are slow, or the lie was jumpy. Let's dig into 0:53:53.600 --> 0:53:56.080 these guys' games a little bit. Let's be a little 0:53:56.080 --> 0:53:58.720 bit more critical of the best golfers in the world, 0:53:58.800 --> 0:54:02.719 like podcasts do it. But I wish that the general 0:54:02.760 --> 0:54:05.919 media world would be a little more critical of their 0:54:06.000 --> 0:54:09.640 games because being a pro athlete, that's part of the deal. 0:54:10.200 --> 0:54:13.399 Well, eventually everybody's going to work for the PGA Tour 0:54:13.440 --> 0:54:14.920 and then nobody will say anything. 0:54:15.160 --> 0:54:17.920 So yep, that stinks. Like that's what makes like you 0:54:18.000 --> 0:54:19.759 gotta be you gotta be able to dig into them 0:54:19.800 --> 0:54:21.239 and like match plays. 0:54:21.160 --> 0:54:23.440 More people are working for the PGA Tour from the 0:54:23.440 --> 0:54:24.080 media side. 0:54:24.360 --> 0:54:26.960 Match play exposes all that and that's what's again kind 0:54:26.960 --> 0:54:28.759 of going back to our point about match plays, like 0:54:29.000 --> 0:54:31.600 you can't hide a match play. You just can't play 0:54:31.600 --> 0:54:34.160 an ole match. You cannot hide you get You're gonna 0:54:34.160 --> 0:54:36.959 get exposed in match play if something's not going your way. 0:54:38.160 --> 0:54:42.200 Another idea, this is easy. So this is just this 0:54:42.280 --> 0:54:44.959 is a shooting gallery for the for the PGA Tour. 0:54:45.040 --> 0:54:47.479 Here this is just line them up, knock them down. 0:54:48.800 --> 0:54:51.440 I think, I think Joseph Lebadia has talked about this 0:54:51.520 --> 0:54:58.040 a lot over the years. But the tour Championship eight players, 0:54:58.719 --> 0:55:02.839 play out matches for all eight spots, have two two 0:55:02.920 --> 0:55:08.160 different round robin sets of reseed and play the matches 0:55:09.120 --> 0:55:14.359 and have a really awesome finals. You play all eight 0:55:14.400 --> 0:55:17.799 spots out. One of the issues with the FedEx Cup 0:55:17.880 --> 0:55:21.160 and why you have the staggered start is they will not. 0:55:22.120 --> 0:55:25.760 They do not want number twenty nine on the FedEx Cup, 0:55:25.920 --> 0:55:28.279 whoever that might have been this year, Christian. Let's just 0:55:28.360 --> 0:55:29.200 use Bizet now. 0:55:29.239 --> 0:55:31.200 I'm actually shocked you don't know this. I figured you 0:55:31.320 --> 0:55:33.000 know one through thirty, like on the back you might 0:55:33.000 --> 0:55:34.160 have a rest on your hand. 0:55:34.680 --> 0:55:37.239 So let's just say Christian Bizet out who made it 0:55:37.239 --> 0:55:40.400 to Eastlake, great year. They do not want him winning 0:55:40.440 --> 0:55:44.080 the FedEx the final. So they've created a format that 0:55:44.200 --> 0:55:47.120 like pretty much makes it possible for Christian to say 0:55:47.280 --> 0:55:51.479 not to win. So that identifies something. If you don't 0:55:51.480 --> 0:55:54.080 want that person to win, you don't think they're a 0:55:54.280 --> 0:55:58.000 rightful winner of the fed X. Don't have them there? Yes, 0:55:58.239 --> 0:56:02.160 and it solves your competition issue. So like to me, 0:56:02.280 --> 0:56:05.719 the number is eight. Probably eight. If you looked at 0:56:05.840 --> 0:56:08.080 at any of the players that were in the top 0:56:08.160 --> 0:56:11.279 eight in the FedEx Cup, people would be like, you 0:56:11.280 --> 0:56:15.080 know what, I'm okay with them winning the Tour Championship. 0:56:15.200 --> 0:56:16.640 I'm okay with that. 0:56:17.600 --> 0:56:20.839 If seven and eight or whatever would be what six 0:56:20.880 --> 0:56:23.640 and eight making the finals, I'm not scared of it. PJ. 0:56:23.719 --> 0:56:26.280 Can you pull up top eight going to the Tour Championship. 0:56:26.320 --> 0:56:28.920 I think you're doing it right now. I mean again, Andy, 0:56:29.040 --> 0:56:32.680 like if the if the fear of match play is 0:56:32.719 --> 0:56:37.560 the stars aren't there, then eliminate that. Eliminate that, just 0:56:38.000 --> 0:56:40.960 eliminate that variable. The stars. The stars are going to 0:56:41.000 --> 0:56:43.000 be there because typically the top eight on the FedEx 0:56:43.040 --> 0:56:45.799 Cup are the stars, right. I think if if there's 0:56:45.800 --> 0:56:47.440 been one or cru. 0:56:47.560 --> 0:56:50.720 Or somebody's had a great, great year and it's like, Okay, 0:56:50.800 --> 0:56:53.959 this guy, this guy, you wouldn't expect to be here, 0:56:54.000 --> 0:56:56.600 but this is what he's done this year to get here. 0:56:56.920 --> 0:57:00.480 He's been awesome. So so then and then like to 0:57:00.520 --> 0:57:04.400 avoid the Sunday dud, the seven to eight matchup is 0:57:04.520 --> 0:57:09.000 for a half a million dollars and it is you know, 0:57:09.280 --> 0:57:14.319 Victor Hovelin versus Patrick Cantlay, Like Okay, I'm ready to 0:57:14.360 --> 0:57:18.400 watch that, Like yeah, that sounds that sounds like something 0:57:18.440 --> 0:57:22.080 I'd like to watch, especially alongside four other or three 0:57:22.120 --> 0:57:25.000 other matches of the best players in the world. Like 0:57:25.200 --> 0:57:27.800 this is not hard, This is not rocket science. The 0:57:27.920 --> 0:57:30.760 other thing I think is like one of the issues 0:57:30.800 --> 0:57:33.680 that pro golf will will say is like match play 0:57:33.760 --> 0:57:36.439 is not a great determinative skill. We play stroke play 0:57:36.520 --> 0:57:39.840 all year long, like and then the final is is 0:57:39.880 --> 0:57:43.440 this match play tournament will introduce more match play throughout 0:57:43.440 --> 0:57:46.800 the schedule, and that solves that you could even have 0:57:46.920 --> 0:57:49.920 like a match play Championship that you could sell a 0:57:49.960 --> 0:57:54.160 sponsorship to, like a season long match play race alongside 0:57:54.280 --> 0:57:57.120 like it's like this was the best match play player 0:57:57.240 --> 0:57:57.840 of the year. 0:57:59.600 --> 0:58:02.200 I mean like it's these are layup ideas to me. 0:58:02.360 --> 0:58:05.120 And again, this is coming from a couple of places, Andy, 0:58:05.160 --> 0:58:08.480 I think I think it's important to tell people the 0:58:08.520 --> 0:58:11.400 places we're coming from, and the places we're coming from 0:58:11.560 --> 0:58:15.320 is trying to make the uninteresting interesting, Like the Tour 0:58:15.400 --> 0:58:18.000 Championship uninteresting. How do you make it interesting, Well, you 0:58:18.080 --> 0:58:20.840 have the top eight players of the year play match 0:58:20.880 --> 0:58:25.240 play interesting. I'm assuming Rory's involved, I'm assuming Scotti's involved. 0:58:25.320 --> 0:58:27.919 I bet Zander's involved. Like the one thing the Tour 0:58:28.000 --> 0:58:31.479 Championship in the FedEx Cup has produced, like the one 0:58:32.000 --> 0:58:35.360 big selling point of the FedEx Cup if you go 0:58:35.440 --> 0:58:39.000 through the history of the FedEx Clup is there are rarely, 0:58:39.160 --> 0:58:42.520 if any flukey winners, like you might throw what Billy 0:58:42.600 --> 0:58:47.840 Horn wants Bill Haas early and it's but that was correct, correct, correct, 0:58:48.120 --> 0:58:48.520 you're right. 0:58:48.520 --> 0:58:49.280 For the top eight. 0:58:49.560 --> 0:58:51.680 Yeah, this is this year going into the Tour Championship. 0:58:51.680 --> 0:58:52.080 You got it. 0:58:52.680 --> 0:59:02.880 Scottie, Zander Hideki, Keegan Bradley, Ludwig, Colin Morikawa, Wyndham Clark. 0:59:03.160 --> 0:59:05.680 I would watch would I mean, I'm watching that. I'm 0:59:05.720 --> 0:59:07.000 watching that like that. 0:59:07.080 --> 0:59:11.200 It's great, It's it's awesome. I think the other plates 0:59:11.200 --> 0:59:14.280 that this is all coming from. We are two people 0:59:14.520 --> 0:59:17.520 that are deeply invested in the sport and want to 0:59:17.560 --> 0:59:21.600 see the sport be the most popular and best for 0:59:21.760 --> 0:59:26.720 fans that it possibly can be. And to me, uh, 0:59:27.160 --> 0:59:31.560 forty seven weeks a year, PGA Tour Golf does not 0:59:31.640 --> 0:59:35.440 put the best format of golf on television. And it's 0:59:35.480 --> 0:59:40.520 insane to me. It's absolutely crazy to me. Another event idea. 0:59:42.000 --> 0:59:44.160 Can we just bring the individual match playback? 0:59:44.520 --> 0:59:47.360 I know, I mean just no and no pulling. Like 0:59:47.440 --> 0:59:49.920 you lose, you're out. Like let's do it like it 0:59:50.040 --> 0:59:53.080 used to be sixty four players. You lose, you're flying home. 0:59:53.440 --> 0:59:53.840 You know what? 0:59:53.880 --> 0:59:56.200 That thirty thousand dollars private jets not gonna hit your 0:59:56.200 --> 0:59:59.040 bottom line. You're gonna be okay, it's not a big deal. 1:00:00.480 --> 1:00:01.680 I like, bring it back? 1:00:02.600 --> 1:00:04.640 Can we have a couple of them. Can we maybe 1:00:04.720 --> 1:00:07.000 have like four of them over the course of the year. 1:00:07.400 --> 1:00:08.439 Is that too much? Ass? 1:00:08.640 --> 1:00:10.600 I mean, I mean, come on, Andy, I got a 1:00:10.640 --> 1:00:13.080 December event I think would be awesome. I got a 1:00:13.080 --> 1:00:18.520 December matchplay event I think could really play. It's the 1:00:18.600 --> 1:00:24.200 Alumni Championship. Oh, five players from the five best players 1:00:24.200 --> 1:00:28.800 that qualify from colleges play basically a professional version of 1:00:28.840 --> 1:00:34.440 the NCAA Championship. You're it's Auburn, it's all miss Illinois, Illinois, Arizona. 1:00:34.520 --> 1:00:37.600 You get these, you get an alumni group. And again maybe. 1:00:37.360 --> 1:00:43.360 You're also tap. Here's another thing. My friends that I 1:00:43.400 --> 1:00:46.000 went to college with and I'm sure yours are the 1:00:46.000 --> 1:00:49.880 same way, did not do not watch golf. But when 1:00:49.920 --> 1:00:53.040 it comes to the NCAA tournament, and obviously Illinois is 1:00:53.080 --> 1:00:58.400 always a huge factor because we're a golf powerhouse more 1:00:58.440 --> 1:01:02.760 so than Arizona. That was most people, but like are 1:01:02.880 --> 1:01:03.320 like our. 1:01:03.240 --> 1:01:06.240 Alumni list is I'm gonna be honest with you, it 1:01:06.280 --> 1:01:10.320 would be nowide. Our alumni lists on the women's side 1:01:10.360 --> 1:01:13.160 is incredible, maybe like the best of all time in 1:01:13.240 --> 1:01:16.280 terms of superstars. Lorena on AKA. People like that. The 1:01:16.360 --> 1:01:20.160 men's side would be to lackluster. I'll say that. 1:01:20.200 --> 1:01:24.360 So anyways, but like once is NCAA tournament time? Like 1:01:24.720 --> 1:01:28.640 my are like our college golf chat, all of whom 1:01:28.720 --> 1:01:32.040 all of these people outside of like two are twenty 1:01:32.120 --> 1:01:37.440 plus handicaps. Yeah, right, like they're eighteen nineteen handicaps. They 1:01:37.480 --> 1:01:40.960 are like, how's Illinois, Andy, how's Illinois this year? Do 1:01:41.000 --> 1:01:44.160 we have a really good shot? Like? What times? What 1:01:44.280 --> 1:01:47.240 time are the matches on? They lock in? But what 1:01:47.280 --> 1:01:51.000 you're doing is like the reason college football, one of 1:01:51.040 --> 1:01:54.520 the reasons college football is so popular is because there 1:01:54.680 --> 1:01:57.440 is a massive audience to each school. 1:01:57.640 --> 1:01:59.720 Correct, Yeah, you. 1:01:59.760 --> 1:02:02.200 Pete tapping into the same thing. You'd be showing their 1:02:02.200 --> 1:02:05.720 best players from the colleges over the course. One of 1:02:05.800 --> 1:02:07.960 the great things about golf over the course of the 1:02:08.000 --> 1:02:10.600 past twenty years. Again you talked about the men's and 1:02:10.680 --> 1:02:13.760 women's aspect of golf. How you can do something that 1:02:13.840 --> 1:02:16.680 nobody else could do. You know what I would love 1:02:16.840 --> 1:02:19.120 I would have loved to be been able to watch 1:02:19.480 --> 1:02:23.920 Dee Brown play basketball with Terrence Shannon and golf. You 1:02:23.960 --> 1:02:27.960 could watch Steve Stricker from the Illinois standpoint play golf 1:02:28.000 --> 1:02:32.120 with Nick Cardy. Yes, like that that is awesome. You 1:02:32.160 --> 1:02:36.120 can watch Justin Thomas and Davis Riley, who are both 1:02:36.400 --> 1:02:39.880 Rum Alabama, play together when they never played college golf 1:02:39.920 --> 1:02:41.240 as teammates. 1:02:40.880 --> 1:02:43.600 Like Rory Sabatiny and Ricky Barnes, Like, I mean, who's 1:02:43.720 --> 1:02:46.480 missing that? Like, who's missing that? Come on now? I 1:02:46.480 --> 1:02:50.000 mean that's must watch golf. But like again, I think 1:02:50.040 --> 1:02:50.480 that the key. 1:02:50.640 --> 1:02:53.000 I love this event. This is a great idea. 1:02:53.320 --> 1:02:57.320 This is and again you talk about how do you 1:02:57.400 --> 1:03:00.520 get the players interested? And I think that that's something 1:03:00.520 --> 1:03:02.640 when we throw all these ideas out, a lot of 1:03:02.640 --> 1:03:05.200 the time we always forget about the players, which frankly 1:03:05.320 --> 1:03:07.360 is is probably the last we should be thinking about. 1:03:08.040 --> 1:03:10.600 This gets the players fired up, you know. I mean, 1:03:10.640 --> 1:03:13.200 you're gonna be wearing your gear, your colors. You get 1:03:13.240 --> 1:03:15.400 the old team bags out, like the carry bags or 1:03:15.400 --> 1:03:18.280 whatever the case may be. Maybe the college coach comes 1:03:18.320 --> 1:03:20.880 out and that's the coach of these teams in December 1:03:20.880 --> 1:03:23.000 when there's not a lot of college golf going on. 1:03:23.760 --> 1:03:26.520 But you know, like you get Max and Colin playing 1:03:26.600 --> 1:03:29.840 for cal like they're going to be into it. Stanford 1:03:29.840 --> 1:03:32.720 would be Stanford tough. 1:03:33.080 --> 1:03:34.160 You know, who'd be the best? 1:03:34.880 --> 1:03:35.040 Who? 1:03:35.440 --> 1:03:36.960 Okay, State, Texas. 1:03:37.760 --> 1:03:40.760 What is Texas Scott's Who does Texas have besides Scotty. 1:03:40.760 --> 1:03:44.520 They got Scotty, They got Coties, the Cooties. I mean, 1:03:44.640 --> 1:03:46.840 but like you gotta let's say, you gotta get five 1:03:46.880 --> 1:03:48.760 spots everybody. By the way, the other. 1:03:48.680 --> 1:03:54.640 Pro things, Loma State would be pretty good Holin ecro Like, yeah, 1:03:54.680 --> 1:03:55.880 they would, they'd. 1:03:55.720 --> 1:03:58.240 Be they'd be a tough out. I think, be awesome. 1:03:58.320 --> 1:03:59.360 This would be awesome. 1:03:59.680 --> 1:04:01.840 Every score counts, you don't drop a score. These are 1:04:01.880 --> 1:04:04.080 pro golfers. This is like one of my biggest annoyances 1:04:04.320 --> 1:04:06.200 with liv is the fact that they drop a score. 1:04:06.240 --> 1:04:08.360 If you're a pro golfer, your score counts. You don't 1:04:08.360 --> 1:04:10.680 get to drop one. Like that's college and amateur stuff 1:04:10.840 --> 1:04:15.480 to do. But you talk about maybe having a qualification 1:04:15.600 --> 1:04:17.480 for this where you've got to have let's say you've 1:04:17.480 --> 1:04:20.920 got to have two players in the top whatever you 1:04:20.960 --> 1:04:23.120 want to say, or maybe there's the world ranking average 1:04:23.320 --> 1:04:25.160 for your five players and you've got to be in 1:04:25.200 --> 1:04:28.040 the top ten to get into this tournament. The tournament 1:04:28.040 --> 1:04:30.560 could be pretty quick, doesn't have to be five days. 1:04:30.640 --> 1:04:35.760 You know, Texas would have for Telly, they could bring 1:04:35.880 --> 1:04:39.360 Omar Eurestian too. They have Bo Hostler, they have good 1:04:39.600 --> 1:04:42.440 Doug gim, they have a lot of they have a 1:04:42.440 --> 1:04:44.600 lot of guys. I think they'd be I think they'd 1:04:44.600 --> 1:04:46.040 be one of the best. 1:04:46.240 --> 1:04:49.439 They would be very international President's Cup team worthy right 1:04:49.560 --> 1:04:50.520 front end, top end. 1:04:50.520 --> 1:04:53.760 For Johnny, for Johnny Vegas. That got Johnny Vegas. 1:04:53.800 --> 1:04:55.720 They got Vegas in there. Man, I don't know if 1:04:55.760 --> 1:04:57.880 Arizona even make this thing would be such a buck. 1:04:57.920 --> 1:05:00.640 I don't think they would. Yeah, I mean, this is 1:05:00.000 --> 1:05:01.840 this event's no brainer. 1:05:02.080 --> 1:05:03.800 This is a great event, and you could do it 1:05:03.800 --> 1:05:05.640 on both sides too, or you could make it mixed. 1:05:05.640 --> 1:05:06.920 I mean I think that's the other thing too with 1:05:06.960 --> 1:05:08.480 this is you could make it mixed, right you. 1:05:08.600 --> 1:05:11.040 Every single one of these you could make mix. That's 1:05:11.080 --> 1:05:15.080 the other thing. Yeah, Like on my list of events, 1:05:15.080 --> 1:05:18.040 it's like next to it is like mixed event. I know, 1:05:18.360 --> 1:05:20.520 it's like this version also mixed. 1:05:20.720 --> 1:05:23.400 Yeah. I think the players would buy in, you know, 1:05:23.480 --> 1:05:26.000 especially American players. I think the American players would. I 1:05:26.000 --> 1:05:29.560 think the American players and this is not some country take, 1:05:29.960 --> 1:05:32.520 but I think American players for the most part care 1:05:32.520 --> 1:05:34.960 as much about the college they represent as maybe they 1:05:34.960 --> 1:05:37.600 do about being on the American team, right, like being 1:05:37.680 --> 1:05:42.000 a being a Stanford Cardinal or you know, playing golf 1:05:42.000 --> 1:05:46.080 at Oklahoma State or playing at Alabama. Like it's a 1:05:46.120 --> 1:05:48.600 badge of honor for these players and it's on their 1:05:48.640 --> 1:05:49.480 golf bags. 1:05:49.560 --> 1:05:52.919 Like what about Penn State, Kent State? Would Kent State 1:05:52.960 --> 1:05:55.120 would feel the team they have all the Canadians, I 1:05:55.200 --> 1:05:55.520 like you. 1:05:55.520 --> 1:05:58.560 Just throwing out these random teams like I like you, yeah. 1:05:58.480 --> 1:06:01.320 Corey Connors, Taylor Pendry, Ann Mackenzie Hughes. 1:06:01.480 --> 1:06:03.280 I mean the team would be sick, like this is 1:06:03.320 --> 1:06:05.760 a sick team. Like and again, think about what the 1:06:05.880 --> 1:06:08.560 university could gain from something like this, you know, I 1:06:08.600 --> 1:06:11.320 mean you pay money back to the university or endowment 1:06:11.360 --> 1:06:14.680 or whatever you do for the colleges you make money there. 1:06:14.800 --> 1:06:17.280 You could make money for college golf. You could this 1:06:17.320 --> 1:06:20.880 could bleed into maybe nil where maybe you know, maybe 1:06:20.920 --> 1:06:23.560 certain moneies you put off to the side for nil, 1:06:23.560 --> 1:06:27.040 which in theory now pays your player, pays kids that 1:06:27.080 --> 1:06:29.360 are really good to come play for your team. Right 1:06:29.440 --> 1:06:33.600 that then now keeps the like the success of your 1:06:33.600 --> 1:06:37.760 program intact. I just you leave college and you're done 1:06:37.760 --> 1:06:39.960 a andy like you and I are done with college. 1:06:40.040 --> 1:06:42.600 We were done with college twenty years ago. Like we 1:06:42.680 --> 1:06:45.040 can go back, we can remember the good old days. 1:06:45.280 --> 1:06:47.840 There is no connection with college in our lives ever again. 1:06:48.040 --> 1:06:52.040 For God's sakes, PJ Young, PJ Babyface, PJ. College is 1:06:52.080 --> 1:06:55.000 done for this guy. Like he might think about college. 1:06:55.000 --> 1:06:56.920 It wasn't that long ago. What was it three years ago? 1:06:56.920 --> 1:06:57.440 Two years ago? 1:06:57.440 --> 1:07:00.440 Pj's like people, PJ is not as in grained in 1:07:00.520 --> 1:07:02.880 this show as he is in the Shotgun Start. PJ 1:07:03.040 --> 1:07:05.280 is our producer. I call him out at the end 1:07:05.280 --> 1:07:08.000 of every episode. He can't even he can't talk on 1:07:08.040 --> 1:07:09.920 this one. He's just in full producer. 1:07:10.600 --> 1:07:13.640 They can't defend himself. Doesn't even have a microphone. 1:07:14.080 --> 1:07:18.360 Literally, he's not he's not not a part of this pot. 1:07:18.400 --> 1:07:22.120 But think about the connection you would get with your college, 1:07:22.480 --> 1:07:25.520 and think about the connection these players would get one 1:07:25.600 --> 1:07:28.640 last chance, right or you know, this is our opportunity 1:07:28.680 --> 1:07:30.800 to to go back to Bama. You know, I just 1:07:30.800 --> 1:07:31.560 think it'd be cool. 1:07:32.120 --> 1:07:34.640 Oh, you could play it at each college. You could 1:07:34.720 --> 1:07:38.280 rotate it around the college commercial. 1:07:37.960 --> 1:07:39.760 Year he gets to go to there, gets to go 1:07:39.800 --> 1:07:41.360 to their course the next year. 1:07:41.720 --> 1:07:43.960 Yeah, and you get you get like this, like and 1:07:44.000 --> 1:07:46.760 they could have like the right they could have the 1:07:46.760 --> 1:07:49.360 there Uh they could get like the vast majority of 1:07:49.440 --> 1:07:53.560 tickets allocation, Like you could just do It's so cool. 1:07:53.920 --> 1:07:56.520 I was just looking Florida. Florida would be a good one. 1:07:57.000 --> 1:08:02.800 Yet Billy Billy Boy, Billy Toasty that you could have, 1:08:03.040 --> 1:08:08.920 Brian gay Camillo, just like some good ones you have 1:08:09.040 --> 1:08:13.720 Ricky Castillio. Uh yeah, yeah, so I I love I 1:08:13.760 --> 1:08:15.520 love the College one. Do you have any others? 1:08:15.560 --> 1:08:17.559 Before we got out here, that was my list? 1:08:17.640 --> 1:08:18.240 Uh? 1:08:18.320 --> 1:08:20.479 Can I plug one thing and before we go? 1:08:20.680 --> 1:08:23.040 Well, yeah, I wanted I just wanted to put a 1:08:23.160 --> 1:08:26.439 rap on this. Now people are gonna be yelling, people 1:08:26.479 --> 1:08:30.240 are gonna be yelling. Well, like mattually, it's a scarcity thing. 1:08:30.360 --> 1:08:32.920 Match that's why these work. No, it isn't. It's just 1:08:33.000 --> 1:08:36.680 a better format of golf. It is a more consequent 1:08:36.840 --> 1:08:44.480 there's more moments of intensity and more moments of like excitement, 1:08:44.640 --> 1:08:47.479 and then it also pits players against each other, which 1:08:47.560 --> 1:08:50.680 creates more controversy. It is a just a more engaging 1:08:50.800 --> 1:08:56.120 version of golf. The other thing is Sundays always stink. 1:08:56.240 --> 1:08:59.839 They don't have to stink if you format the event correctly. 1:09:00.280 --> 1:09:03.439 The event you just talked about with college golfers. If 1:09:03.439 --> 1:09:06.559 it's a three person team, let's say they go we 1:09:06.600 --> 1:09:09.639 go small and they're three person teams, three player teams. 1:09:10.520 --> 1:09:13.000 They will be on Sunday if you're playing, if it's 1:09:13.240 --> 1:09:17.439 UH Texas Oklahoma State, the matches would be something along 1:09:17.479 --> 1:09:21.240 the lines of Victor Hovlin versus Scottie Scheffler, Jordan Speed 1:09:21.439 --> 1:09:25.719 versus Austin Ech wrote. And then let's just say Pearson 1:09:25.800 --> 1:09:30.679 Coodie versus who's another Ricky Fowler. That would be your matches. Yeah, 1:09:30.840 --> 1:09:32.519 that's awesome, that's amazing. 1:09:32.800 --> 1:09:34.960 And I love the crossover of the years too. You know, 1:09:35.000 --> 1:09:37.080 it's like you get the young guys that just got 1:09:37.080 --> 1:09:39.080 out of college versus you know, like a Billy horstl 1:09:39.160 --> 1:09:41.599 or something who you know still has this crazy connection 1:09:41.640 --> 1:09:44.160 to Florida, but it's been a decade since he was there. Like, 1:09:45.080 --> 1:09:47.360 you might have teammates on a team, but you might 1:09:47.400 --> 1:09:49.720 have a guy that brought in a kid. You know. 1:09:49.760 --> 1:09:51.920 It's like, man, I remember what went on my recruiting trip, 1:09:51.960 --> 1:09:54.840 and Billy was like, these are easy sound bites to 1:09:54.840 --> 1:09:57.679 fill the time. You know, people talking about their colleges. 1:09:57.800 --> 1:09:59.519 Like that's the one thing with match play too is 1:09:59.560 --> 1:10:03.360 like filling the time in between moments shots holes is like, 1:10:03.439 --> 1:10:06.360 this is the easiest sell ever. Highlights of old matches 1:10:06.640 --> 1:10:08.439 from when these guys were in college. You know, you 1:10:08.479 --> 1:10:11.680 get the speed shot at RIV and you know him 1:10:11.720 --> 1:10:14.400 and j T and that story. John Fields tells that story. 1:10:14.439 --> 1:10:18.840 Like these things are such easy, like color around the 1:10:18.880 --> 1:10:21.680 actual golf to sell, to fill the time and make 1:10:21.720 --> 1:10:22.280 it interesting. 1:10:23.080 --> 1:10:27.160 Yeah, so all right, you're doing corn fairy stuff. 1:10:27.240 --> 1:10:28.679 Yeah, that's all That's what I was gonna plug. 1:10:28.680 --> 1:10:31.920 Here you go, Andy, this is the most consequential time 1:10:31.960 --> 1:10:36.720 of the year. Yeah, last event of the year. What 1:10:36.720 --> 1:10:39.599 what are you most excited to watch this week's corn fairy? 1:10:40.080 --> 1:10:41.800 I will say this, I'm excited to see this golf 1:10:41.880 --> 1:10:43.760 course I'm gonna get. I'm going there tomorrow. It's in 1:10:43.840 --> 1:10:45.880 French Lick and I've heard it's really hard. 1:10:46.120 --> 1:10:48.400 So the die course, right. 1:10:48.520 --> 1:10:49.680 I heard it's tough. I've heard it. 1:10:49.760 --> 1:10:52.320 It looks cool. Well it's are you going to play 1:10:52.320 --> 1:10:53.040 the Ross course? 1:10:53.360 --> 1:10:53.519 Yeah? 1:10:53.520 --> 1:10:55.240 I hear the Ross course is like amazing. 1:10:55.400 --> 1:10:57.320 We're gonna play a couple of days. It's kind of 1:10:57.320 --> 1:10:59.240 weird times, but we're gonna play like weird times for 1:10:59.320 --> 1:11:00.519 us to play golf because we've got a lot of 1:11:00.560 --> 1:11:02.680 TV coverage, but I'm gonna play. I think there's two 1:11:02.680 --> 1:11:04.960 other courses, one shorter win and then one full golf 1:11:05.040 --> 1:11:08.000 course will play. Though it's never been to French Lick. 1:11:07.880 --> 1:11:10.000 By the way, Larry Bird. 1:11:10.120 --> 1:11:12.320 Larry Bird apparently called a Larry Bird Bar that I 1:11:12.320 --> 1:11:13.479 think is like the only place to go. 1:11:13.520 --> 1:11:14.160 Are you gonna go? 1:11:14.280 --> 1:11:15.760 Yeah? Yeah, I think it's right down the straight from 1:11:15.760 --> 1:11:18.800 the hotel. But yeah, I mean I think there's I 1:11:18.840 --> 1:11:22.799 think we've punched thirteen cards at this point, so obviously 1:11:22.800 --> 1:11:24.479 a lot of cards left to grab. Top thirty get 1:11:24.479 --> 1:11:28.439 their PGA Tour card. Matt McCarty locked up number one, 1:11:28.439 --> 1:11:30.040 which is pretty cool. I mean, this is a guy 1:11:30.040 --> 1:11:31.880 that had never won on the Corn Ferry Tour and 1:11:31.960 --> 1:11:34.519 wins three times since the middle of July. So cool 1:11:34.560 --> 1:11:36.800 to see Matt McCarty do that. Going to the PGA Tour, 1:11:37.320 --> 1:11:39.880 I'm gonna see him out there. But uh yeah, I 1:11:39.880 --> 1:11:40.439 mean there's. 1:11:40.280 --> 1:11:42.599 Maybe Get a Grip right. 1:11:45.320 --> 1:11:47.000 Keep an eye out on the Get a Grip podcast 1:11:47.040 --> 1:11:51.559 channel for maybe an upcoming co host there. And the 1:11:51.560 --> 1:11:54.519 FedEx Fall a new season coming soon. But Thursday one 1:11:54.520 --> 1:11:57.120 to four on Golf Channel. We're kind of around that 1:11:57.160 --> 1:12:00.000 window the whole week, so like one to four, twelve 1:12:00.240 --> 1:12:03.080 to four, stuff like that across the weekend. But you know, 1:12:03.200 --> 1:12:05.280 like one of the things I love about doing the 1:12:05.320 --> 1:12:08.880 Cornfierry Tour Andy, much like I love doing the USGA stuff, 1:12:09.560 --> 1:12:13.120 is like, these are life changing golf tournaments and events 1:12:13.160 --> 1:12:16.240 week to week, and this is the biggest one. You know, 1:12:16.280 --> 1:12:19.400 players are gonna have great weeks and play their way 1:12:19.439 --> 1:12:21.679 to a PGA Tour card, and guys that are inside 1:12:21.720 --> 1:12:24.040 the top thirty are gonna have stinky weeks and lose 1:12:24.080 --> 1:12:26.800 their PGA Tour card. And you know it's like, I mean, 1:12:26.840 --> 1:12:28.040 there was a dude a couple of weeks ago, he 1:12:28.080 --> 1:12:30.479 made a putt to make the cut on Friday, and 1:12:30.520 --> 1:12:33.360 he's walking off the green saying, not gonna retire yet. 1:12:33.439 --> 1:12:36.240 You know, like these are these are life decisions for 1:12:36.280 --> 1:12:38.400 these players depending on how they play for seventy two holes. 1:12:38.439 --> 1:12:40.920 So I love this event and it's one of my favorites. 1:12:40.960 --> 1:12:44.040 So top seventy five players in the field and thirty cards, 1:12:44.040 --> 1:12:45.400 so we'll see what happens. 1:12:47.560 --> 1:12:51.720 Awesome, awesome, Well, enjoy frenchlick. Let me know how the 1:12:51.720 --> 1:12:52.240 golf is. 1:12:52.560 --> 1:12:56.360 And do you think if there's a basketball goal or 1:12:56.439 --> 1:12:58.920 court at the Larry Bird Bar, God of hope there is. 1:12:59.000 --> 1:13:01.439 There's gotta be I feel like God to have something there. 1:13:01.600 --> 1:13:04.280 It's got to be like a gravel just a vision 1:13:04.360 --> 1:13:07.439 it being like a like an old school hoop. Maybe 1:13:07.920 --> 1:13:12.200 maybe a metal that and and like a gravel, a 1:13:12.360 --> 1:13:16.639 well padded, packed down gravel court. 1:13:17.000 --> 1:13:20.439 Yeah, no, I hope. So it's like every time I think. 1:13:20.360 --> 1:13:23.120 I love medal that well. 1:13:22.960 --> 1:13:25.519 I mean you're the only one I think. I mean, 1:13:25.640 --> 1:13:27.120 does anybody love metal nets? 1:13:27.320 --> 1:13:30.840 I just love the novelty as a kid of it. 1:13:31.040 --> 1:13:35.519 When when you played on Nylon, you know, like the 1:13:35.600 --> 1:13:36.880 sound was different. 1:13:37.200 --> 1:13:40.599 Very different. I just in terms of bubble players, Sam 1:13:40.640 --> 1:13:44.200 Bennett is number thirty right now, Trent Phillips is thirty one. 1:13:44.439 --> 1:13:46.920 So you kind of got some some obviously players that 1:13:46.960 --> 1:13:49.559 are very very good. In pot Eater, who I think 1:13:49.600 --> 1:13:51.040 is going to be sick on the PGA tour if 1:13:51.040 --> 1:13:54.360 he gets there. Is Hank clinging onto a top thirty 1:13:54.360 --> 1:13:55.599 spot right now, so we'll see. 1:13:55.400 --> 1:13:56.960 If Potkner is almost out. 1:13:57.280 --> 1:14:01.320 Yeah, he has played great lately. Twenty seventh on the points, Liz, 1:14:03.040 --> 1:14:05.600 I know, I know'd it'd be a bomber. He's so 1:14:05.760 --> 1:14:08.400 freaking good. But you know, he's had like I think 1:14:08.400 --> 1:14:10.200 he's had three top tens and one of those was 1:14:10.240 --> 1:14:12.000 that went out of the gate. So it's not been 1:14:12.040 --> 1:14:14.160 a it's not been a great season for him outside 1:14:14.200 --> 1:14:15.320 of the early early run. 1:14:15.439 --> 1:14:20.080 So all right, thanks Shane, we'll talk soon, all right, buddy, 1:14:20.120 --> 1:14:33.720 thank you, Thank you for listening to another edition of 1:14:33.840 --> 1:14:37.400 the Friday Golf Podcast, and big thanks to PJ. Clark 1:14:38.240 --> 1:14:41.960 for editing and producing this podcast. We will be back 1:14:42.040 --> 1:14:45.839 later this week with another episode and uh look forward 1:14:45.920 --> 1:14:50.599 to chatting soon, so big thanks, and uh check out 1:14:50.600 --> 1:15:09.160 the pod later this week.