WEBVTT - Listener Mail: The Constant Flow of Invention 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:05.320 Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:10.880 My Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:14.680 Listener mail, This is Robert Lamb and this is Joe McCormick, 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:17.239 and I think maybe we should jump right in with 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:19.800 a response to an older episode of ours about the 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:29.720 Bone Palace Vault episode or are you ready, Rob? I'm ready? Okay, 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:32.879 This comes to us from Megan. Megan says, Hey, Joe 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:35.560 and Robert had a couple of natural history notes to 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:39.200 add to your Bone Palace episodes. I remember, I think 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:41.360 there was a string of things we talked about in 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:45.840 those episodes about creatures other than humans making dwellings out 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:50.160 of the remains of other animals. Megan writes, Another cool 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:53.360 creature that make camouflage itself with the body parts of 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:57.800 other invertebrates is the green lacewing larva. You can see 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:02.440 them trundling about on tree trunks under tiny lichen festooned huts. 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:06.120 They voraciously consume other insects, and they may incorporate the 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:09.000 body parts of their prey, such as a fids, within 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:12.800 their camouflage. This is especially useful as a disguise to 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:16.760 fool ants which tend and defend sap sucking afids for 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:23.000 their honeydew. Also carrier snails from the family's xenophority, meaning 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:27.959 foreigner carrying, attach bits of coral rocks, sponges, and other 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:31.600 smaller shells into the delicate white whirls of their own 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:35.280 growing shells. They can be very elegant, with the long 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:39.480 spires of other shells protruding at regular intervals like a sunburst, 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:43.240 or look like crazy marine garbage heaps, depending on the 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:46.840 species and it's preferred masonry. The added bits provide some 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:50.880 camouflage and protection from predators, stability on the seafloor, and 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:53.840 also save them on the energy and material cost of 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:57.640 having to grow their entire shells. Thanks guys, you supply 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:00.400 me with moments in critical thinking in time when I'm 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:06.000 otherwise short on it, driving, kid tending, etcetera. Best Megan, excellent, Well, 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:09.240 these are both great specimens. Thanks for sharing these with us, Megan. 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:11.480 At least one of these seems kind of familiar, So 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:14.720 I'm wondering if we maybe researched it but didn't mention 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:17.880 it in the episode or mentioned it. It's possible. Sometimes 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:25.640 stuff falls through the cracks like that. Yeah, uh now, 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:27.960 We've got a number of responses to our pair of 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:32.400 episodes about furry fish, and these were great fun. Yeah. 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:35.360 The first one comes to us from Kelly. She says, Hi, both. 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:38.560 I was delighted to hear you mentioned in your second 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:42.800 episode on furry fish the gloriously fluffy hoax fish at 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:46.160 the National Museum of Scotland. As a child, I remember 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:49.399 for the first time seeing this fish on show. Since then, 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:51.440 I've always made a point of trying to find it 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:55.800 whenever I go in. It is Scotland's own abominable snow trout. 0:02:57.360 --> 0:03:00.440 Your discussion of fish people and otters uh got to 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:05.480 me thinking about the Celtic Norse myths of the silky 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:08.440 a mer person that takes on the form of a seal, 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:12.440 which was a widespread folk tale in the North and 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:16.000 in the Islands. The story I remember reading when was 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:18.800 when I was very young was that of the Silky Wife. 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:21.800 I think there are plenty of variations on the theme, 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:24.120 but the basic premise is that a fisherman falls in 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:27.080 love with a silky woman in human form, but he 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:31.680 steals her silky slash seal skin, preventing her from taking 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:35.520 seal form, and locks the skin in a kiss or chest, 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:39.680 keeping her imprisoned on the land. Eventually she manages to 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:43.200 take back the skin, escapes to the sea, transforms back 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:47.840 into a seal and escapes. A more recent sculptural interpretation 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:52.080 at the Helix Park in Falkirk, called the Selkies presents 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:54.800 them in the form of the giant rearing heads of 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:58.400 Shire horses. I think this is part of a reference 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:01.440 to the foam tipped breaking waves of the sea being 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:04.440 referred to as white horses, as well as a link 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:07.640 to the horses which would have pulled barges along the 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:11.520 canals along which the park was built. They are quite 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:14.280 spectacular and worth a quick image search if you have 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:16.600 a few minutes. Thanks for the many hours of fun 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:20.160 and a lightning discussion. I come away from every episode 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:22.839 with some new interesting facts or ideas to think about. 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:26.120 All the best, Kelly. Now, I tried to google the 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:29.880 Selkies Helix Park and the only thing I think I 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:31.960 came across what I think you're talking about. But this 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:35.520 says they're called the Kelpies instead of the Selkies, which 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:38.120 I know are both things, so you may have just 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:40.400 had a typo in your email there. Either way, the 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:45.280 selkies are certainly fascinating. Uh selkies and and kelpies. I've 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:47.600 been reading about them for for ages, you know, because 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:50.840 they pop up in dungeons and dragons and mythology textbooks, 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:55.640 uh monster uh compendiums of all sorts. I I also 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:57.960 have to point out there's a wonderful two thousand fourteen 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:01.720 Irish animated film called Song of the Sea which deals 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:05.480 with this territory. Highly recommend that a beautiful film. M 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:13.719 all right. This next message about the furry fish comes 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:17.440 from Alex. Alex says, Hello, I love your show, but 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:19.520 I've never had a good reason to send you mail 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:23.640 until today. In your The Fish had for episode, you 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:30.000 mentioned the singing bass fish Billy bass, the singing bass fish. 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:32.320 I had one of these growing up, so I started 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:34.880 looking for it in my basement, hoping I still had it. 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:38.839 I didn't, but I experienced a bit of serendipity while 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:42.719 scrolling TikTok. After I gave up the hunt, I stumbled 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:45.960 across an artist by the name of Kevin Heckert. They 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:48.960 are an interactive artist that has created a billy bass 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:53.240 that somehow interacts with Amazon Alexa. It is amazing. It 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:55.840 sings any song you ask it to. Please look it up. 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:58.520 It will make your day watching billy singing all of 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:03.960 the hits. That's it. Thanks for making such an entertaining podcast. 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:07.200 Uh ps, I really missed the constant flow of Invention. 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:10.359 That's how I found you guys. Thanks for reading, Alex. 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:14.200 Thank you Alex. Yeah, thanks. I hope we keep I 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:17.200 don't know, we will still continue doing Invention episodes from 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:19.599 time to time. Sorry, we can't do them every week now. 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:21.919 I mean maybe at some point we'll just lose it 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:25.599 and start doing Invention episodes like back to back for 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:27.560 at least for a little bit. You never know. Yeah, 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:30.719 but anyway, so I looked this up. I'm not familiar 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:33.320 with this uh this person, but I looked up the 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:36.080 TikTok you were talking about, and yeah, it looks like 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:40.440 someone has uh sort of hacked a billy bass to 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:43.719 to be the interface for Amazon Alexa. So at least 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:45.839 if what is being alleged by this video is correct 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:48.240 and there's no trickery involved, you can say to the 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:53.080 big mouth billy bass, hey, Alexa, play whatever, and you know, uh, 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:56.080 play four Horsemen by Metallica, and then the bed the 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:58.440 bass will turn and say okay and it will sing 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:07.039 along with the song, It'll do the mouth. All right. 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:09.000 Here's another one. This one comes to us from Calvin 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:13.440 subject big mouth, Billy Bass, Hello, the one in the 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:16.360 town I grew up in play Don't Worry Be Happy. 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:19.320 As kids, we were absolutely obsessed with this thing. The 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:23.120 poor shop owner must have heard that fish hundreds of times. 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:27.320 Thanks for the show, Calvin. I gotta be honest. When 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:30.040 I first read this email, I laughed out loud thinking 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:35.800 about the town, billy bass town. Well, it reminded me 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:39.040 of New York movies, older New York movies, where they'll 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:41.440 be TVs and shop windows, and they'll be people gathered 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:44.320 around to watch the TVs. Except in this case, it's 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:48.640 the billy bass singing don't Worry Be Happy. Bobby McPherrin, Yeah, 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:57.600 great too, all right. We also heard back from our 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:01.440 listener Shay in regards to the tomay O Vault episodes. 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:05.920 He writes, Dear Robin Joe, I'm lovingly teased by my 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:09.160 friends and my wife for my podcast problem as I 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:14.680 spend every available moment driving housework, walking the beast listening, uh, 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:17.360 and your work is my favorite. I was listening to 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:20.000 the second Vault episode about tomatoes this morning, as I 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:22.800 made my wife send my favorite vegan beverage, an oat 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:26.440 milk latte. If you haven't tried toatally yet, Rob, you've 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:28.920 got to give it a go. I I do. I 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:32.000 do love oat milk. It's it's quite good. When Joe 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:34.679 suggested that the fruit from the Garden of Eden may 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:38.599 have been a tomato, quickly you both accept the improbability 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:41.640 of this, since tomatoes are native to the America's and 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:44.200 the authors of the Bible would not have been familiar 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:47.720 with them. However, considering the importance of the ld S 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:51.200 Church and in this U shase referring, of of course, 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:53.160 to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:57.440 um Uh. Considering the importance of the ld S Church 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:00.040 to the later acceptance of tomatoes in the US, I 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:03.920 want to offer a sliver of hope to your theory. Uh, 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:07.160 they can, he continues. In ELDS lore, it is said 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:10.239 that the Garden of Eden was in fact in the Americas, 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:13.800 specifically in Jackson County, Missouri. Now that's more than a 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:17.320 hot skip and jump away from South and Central America. 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:21.160 But Mormon beliefs are central to stories of ancient American 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:25.240 people's traveling across these continents. While there is of course 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:28.000 no scientific evidence that I'm aware of supporting any of this, 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:30.280 it is interesting to look at the pattern of tomato 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:33.640 development and apply it to a story. Here. Imagine a 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:38.239 cultivated tomato of knowledge being taken and or naturally adapting 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:42.320 and spreading to be the current like tomatoes of South America, 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:46.040 where they are again selected, cultivated, and spread north, then 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:49.920 grow wild and small again before finally being rediscovered and 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:53.400 becoming the tomatoes of today. I'm certain plot holes abound, 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:57.480 but what fun shay from the Rocky Mountains? And they 0:09:57.480 --> 0:09:59.720 add a p s. In a recent listener mail, you 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:02.280 mentioned and how delicious a tomato mayo sandwich can be, 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:05.480 and I can't resist suggesting you try a pickle and 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:10.520 mayo sandwich one of my guilty pleasures. Hmm. Interesting, Oh, 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:12.480 I'm I'm up to try. I wonder what kind of 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:14.440 pickle would be best? Do you want to go? Do 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:16.200 you go bread and better pickle on that? Do you 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:18.680 go with a more sour variety, you go with a 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:22.760 spicy pickle? So many possibilities. I'm very partial to half 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:27.880 sour pickles myself. That fresh cucumber reef flavor. Yea. Now, 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:29.760 I wanted to look this up to make sure that 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:33.200 this is actually a belief among the Latter day Saints, 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:35.560 and I think what I discovered. I didn't have a 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:36.839 lot of time to look into this, but what it 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.760 looked like to me, um is that the belief that 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:43.360 the Garden of Eden was in Jackson County, Missouri, or 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:47.080 it was definitely in Missouri. Uh, is not something that 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:50.000 is written in the Book of Mormon, but I believe 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:53.200 it is something that is alleged to have been said 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:57.560 by Brigham Young, and and that Brigham Young said Joseph 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:01.040 Smith told him this, so i'd know how exactly that 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:05.040 relates to to its doctrinal status among the beliefs of 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:14.520 the church. But but yeah, interesting nonetheless. Okay, anyway, are 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:16.440 you ready to move on to some emails about Weird 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:19.679 House Cinema? Let's do it. Okay, This first one comes 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:22.920 from Eric uh and I want to include this email 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:25.000 because it has some great stuff in it. But Eric, 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:27.120 I think you made a few typos that I couldn't 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:29.080 quite figure out. I don't know if there was like 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:32.800 some accidental formatting changes or something. So I'm gonna sort 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:36.520 of skip or summarize a few paragraphs here. But Eric says, 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:39.920 good morning, gentlemen, I just listened to this week's listener mail, 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.679 in which you spend a few moments pondering who should 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:45.880 potentially portray Tom Bomba Dill in the future Lord of 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:49.360 the Rings movie. And then uh, Eric says his first 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:53.840 thought was Charles Darning. Interesting idea. Okay, so he says 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:57.720 it's it's difficult to imagine Mr Darning is embodying a threat. 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:01.880 I don't know. I think about the sting at least. Yeah, yeah, 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:04.120 he can be quite threatening and a brother where art 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:05.880 thou at least when he wants to be. But he 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:09.320 can also turn on the chime. That's true. Um, And 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:12.320 Eric says he can sing, and he gives his evidence 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:15.160 the movie The Best Little Horhouse in Texas, which that's 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:17.480 a Dolly Pardon movie, isn't it? Yeah? I believe. So 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:20.640 he also sings in Brother where art Thou oh yeah, 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:23.439 and dances is that it is a talented dancer. A 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:25.679 lot of people don't realize that. And then after this, 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:29.199 Eric says, I think he's suggesting that his dog recommended 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:34.280 someone to him. Jokingly. I assume and anyway, that person 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:39.400 is Vin Diesel. Vin Diesel is Tom Bomba Dill. What 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:42.880 do you think? Okay, so so, Eric says, you know, 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:45.400 Tom Bomba Dill, some people might think of him as 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:50.480 kind of a a nature loving, quintessential hippie. But Eric writes, 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:53.240 quote Bomba Dill is clearly at least a demigod, and 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:57.400 he's a very powerful being. Well, he's by preference good natured. 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:00.360 He could be quite capable of violence. Even that some 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:05.000 remove and one would assume anger or at least implacability, 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:07.760 if that's a word. And Eric says, might have to 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:11.599 dub in the singing. Though to the contrary, Eric, I 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:14.040 don't know if you're aware of this. Vin Diesel has albums. 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:18.040 He he is in a professional singer in addition to 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:21.000 being an actor. So uh so, you know he he 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:22.959 may be living life a quarter mile at a time, 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:25.040 but at least one of those quarter miles has involved 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:28.119 going into the studio and laying down some sensitive emotional 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:30.960 pop tracks. Yeah. You sent me a link to this 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:32.600 and I listened to it, and I have to say 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:35.319 it's it's not terrible, it's not necessarily my thing, but 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:38.280 it's it's it's nothing that would offend me if I 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:42.040 heard it in a commercial or in a waiting room somewhere. Um, 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:44.640 I wouldn't say that it just screams Tom Bomba deal 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:48.160 to me. But um, I I accepted its proof of 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:51.280 Vin Diesel's musical chops. I would say it's not my 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:54.680 style of music. But I'm impressed by Vin Diesel's potential 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:57.840 as a singer. I almost I was immediately thinking, like, oh, 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:00.760 does he do cameo? Could we? How much would it 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:04.240 cost to send him like the robb inglist songs and 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:06.720 see if he can just you know, perform them. See 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:10.160 what it sounds like. Yeah, it's not gonna happen, sadly, 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:13.600 at least not now. Maybe later, maybe later in his career, 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:17.720 but for now, Vin doesn't need the cameo bucks. But 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:21.000 also Eric floats the idea of of Wayne the Stone 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:26.000 John's man as as the rock. Um. Yeah, the rock 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:30.360 certainly is charismatic, and I think he can sort of 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:33.400 sing at least um. But again, I don't know. I 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:35.440 don't know if this is a direction from my vision 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:38.080 of Tom Bomba till I don't know. It's such a 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:41.320 difficult part to potentially cast, so There was some fun 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:45.200 discussions about this in the Facebook group for Stuff to 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:47.560 Boil Your Mind, the Stuff to Boil your Mind discussion module. 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:49.960 I think we even did a little pole. Uh. There 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:53.800 was some some fun and some absurd suggestions on there. 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:55.760 I also, I think at the same time that was 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:58.160 going on, I was watching Hamilton's for the first time, 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:01.240 so I was also thinking of the areous actors in Hamilton. 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:03.320 I was thinking, Oh, they could be a Tom bombadel 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:05.520 Oh he could be up Tom Bombadil as well. A 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:08.320 lot of Tom Bomba is strange. Yeah, okay, especially if 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:11.600 you know. No, you have to remember in in in 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:13.720 the book The Lord of the Rings and Fellowship of 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:17.240 the Rings. Um, it's not said that these are necessary. 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:19.120 I mean that we don't have music, we just have 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:22.800 the lyrics. They could be wrapped. Oh that's true. Okay, 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:25.160 maybe they even need to be rapped. I don't know. Well, 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:27.040 I just don't know if any of those actors are 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:29.920 like old and rotund enough. I I picture somebody who's 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:33.520 got to be like over fifty and kind of round. Yeah. Well, 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:36.320 we're playing the long game here, so give it time. 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:40.760 We just have some potential, uh, Tom Bomba dial so 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:42.160 we just have to keep an eye on and see 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:45.000 how they develop, how they mature. Of course, I realized 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:48.360 this would also exclude Vin Diesel and and Uh and 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:51.560 Rock the Dwayne obviously. Yeah, in their current forms. You 0:15:51.600 --> 0:16:02.520 never know, You never know, all right. We also heard 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:06.200 from listeners regarding our Weird House Cinema episodes on psychomania. 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:10.040 This one comes to us from Dawn. Guys, so glad 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:12.160 you picked this film. I saw this as a young 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:14.720 kid in the seventies, and the image of the undead 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:17.440 biker's turning to stone at the end was both frightening 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:21.040 and super sad. I don't remember much else about the 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:23.720 rest of the film, but that final scene has stuck 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:26.400 with me for decades. Thanks for bringing the rest of 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:28.760 the movie back to me. We'll try to track it down. 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:32.480 All the best, Dawn, I'm curious why it's sad. It 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:36.080 seems like these horrible people, these horrible trolls, are finally 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:39.000 turned to stone. Well, I mean they especially if you 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:41.800 watched it as a young person. It's you know, these 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:45.000 young people are you know, they're gonna live forever, They're 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:47.640 gonna do things their way, and then they're shut down 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:51.120 by old people. Magic at the end, it's kind of sad, 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:55.520 it's I can I can definitely dig that interpretation. The 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:58.360 end of the movie, once again to reiterate, is Mom 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:02.040 comes in and stops the rough house using yes basically 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:11.520 via occult paperwork. Yes. Yeah uh. This next message is 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:14.720 from Maggie, also about psychomania or the subject actually uses. 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:18.960 The alternate title is just death Wheelers, Maggie says, great 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:21.720 weird house cinema episode. Guys, I remember seeing this movie 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:25.119 about ten years ago at an all night secret horror 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:28.840 movie marathon in Philadelphia, and this movie was a huge 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:31.960 hit for that audience. I'm talking popcorn in the air, 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:35.840 cheering and hollering, particularly every time one of the bikers 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:39.680 rocketed from the grave upright on their motorcycle. A perfect 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:43.040 trash movie. Indeed, my friend and I thought the lead 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:46.280 biker Tom had more than a passing resemblance to Noel 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:49.320 Fielding from the Mighty Bush, and that lent the movie 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:52.159 a whole other absurd dimension in which to enjoy it. 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:54.800 Love the pod, and appreciate all the work you guys 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:57.520 put into it. Maggie, that's a good point. I think 0:17:57.520 --> 0:17:59.720 when I was watching it too, I was getting some 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:04.200 some mild hints of no fielding character. Yeah, the hair, 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:07.919 kind of the you know, the long face. Uh yeah. 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:10.280 What what would have been like had the Mighty Boush 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:14.040 done some sort of like a proper psychomania inspired tail. 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:16.280 I think there there would have been room for them 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:20.080 to explore some absurd ideas there. Oh my god, yes, 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:22.560 they could have done a really good undead biker along 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:31.520 along the hitchhiker lines. I guess. Yeah. All right. This 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:34.600 last pair of messages comes from Lorenzo, and then this 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:37.639 is in response to us talking about the weird thing 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:40.919 that's in a lot of Italian horror movies from the 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:44.879 seventies and eighties, where there are scenes of heightened suspense 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:49.040 and then the soundtrack gets it starts playing music that 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:53.120 feels incongruous with the mounting suspense. It's playing like funky, 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:57.800 you know, funky jazzy, like cool music, not scary music. Anyway, 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:00.640 So we were talking about that, and Lorenzo says, Hi, Joe, Rob, 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:03.840 big fan of your show. Keep them coming, Joe. Twice 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:07.480 you commented on Weird House Cinema asking why the upbeat 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:11.800 synths and violence sequences, and Rob you rationalize that it's 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:15.439 a culturally based counterpoint to the tension, right, So you 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:17.600 were talking about maybe it's just some kind of difference 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:22.360 between how like Italian audiences versus American audiences would regard 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:27.879 the connotations of disco music. Maybe Yeah, And so Lorenzo says, 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:31.280 while the synth work of Goblin and Co Is awesome 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:35.600 for the action sequences, those guys just stepped aside. Similar 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:39.040 samples were pasted over all sorts of genre films in 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:42.480 Italy when I was a kid, including overdubs of westerns 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:46.560 and manga. So generally it's a shortfall on soundtracking in 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:51.080 those sequences. I'd rather have John Carpenter do my truculent ambient. 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:54.000 To be honest, it's a fail for our movies anyway 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:57.879 you look at it. Okay, So Lorenzo is just dissing 0:19:57.960 --> 0:20:00.760 some of the soundtrack choices of of of these Italian 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:04.440 horror films. Uh, if I'm understanding, I hope I'm not misunderstanding. 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:06.840 But I think Lorenzo is saying, like you know, sometimes 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:08.560 they just didn't know what to put in there, didn't 0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:10.480 have much of a budget, and just subbed in some 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:13.280 kind of track they had in a library or had 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:16.480 the rights to or something. Well, yeah, I mean I 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:18.520 could imagine that potentially be in the case. But on 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:21.360 the other hand, a lot of wonderful things come out 0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:25.159 of accidents and shortcuts in filmmaking, and so you know, 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:29.040 I wouldn't I wouldn't discount it just because maybe the 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:33.120 process was questionable. If it was questionable, well here, let's see, 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:37.240 let's hear Lorenzo. Second email. Lorenzo also says, as you know, 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:40.800 Italian film is all about dubbing. Italians to this day 0:20:40.840 --> 0:20:43.920 see all cinema dubbed with a handful of voice actors 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:47.080 playing the parts. They do a good job. We have 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:50.800 a better Homer than Dan Castelneda, I promise you, but 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:55.760 you will never know this. That's great. Um. Why do 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:58.400 I bring up dubbing in the context of those action 0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:02.159 sequences with the upbeats? Sense? Do you ask? Because in 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:05.320 many films they were working on whatever budget they had, 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:09.400 and they sacrifice these production elements to an aesthetic, so 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:13.520 funky jazz in a slasher sequence or bad overdubs. I 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:17.280 guess we're secondary to the aesthetic. But I agree with you, Joe, 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:20.880 it's probably not an excuse. Lorenzo. Oh, Lorenzo I don't. 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:24.520 I didn't mean to to impugne movies that have soundtrack 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:26.719 choices that seem strange to me. I love a strange 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:29.920 soundtrack choice. Oh yeah, the stranger the better, the better, 0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:33.560 the the it's the soundtracks that are not strange, those 0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:36.560 are the ones that that can sometimes just piss me off, 0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:39.560 to be honest, but I think I see exactly what 0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:43.640 you're talking about, Lorenzo with um certain with there being 0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:47.400 a sort of strain of creative preference in Italian cinema 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:52.600 for maybe sometimes visual aesthetics over everything else. That like 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:54.959 the the the director might have a certain kind of 0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:57.760 image in their mind, almost kind of a painting of 0:21:57.840 --> 0:22:00.520 the way they want the film to look, and that's 0:22:00.600 --> 0:22:03.840 really top priority. Maybe a lot of other creative choices 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:06.160 might kind of just take a back seat to that, 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:09.040 and I think that's true about a lot of Italian 0:22:09.040 --> 0:22:11.800 horror movies especially. Well, this will be this will be 0:22:12.040 --> 0:22:14.600 a conversation to keep in mind and to keep having 0:22:14.720 --> 0:22:18.560 as we inevitably come back to the cinema of Italy 0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:22.040 on our Weirdout Cinema episodes. Oh yeah, I do like 0:22:22.119 --> 0:22:24.840 him taunting us with the fact that his Simpsons is 0:22:24.880 --> 0:22:27.960 better than ours. This This is fun because I had 0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:32.280 recently um, I recently played a video game titled Blasphemous, 0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:35.360 which is which is excellent and it is um It's 0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:38.119 a Spanish production and it had you can choose to 0:22:38.160 --> 0:22:41.679 have the audio in English or in Spanish. And I 0:22:41.680 --> 0:22:43.920 was reading about it online with some people talking about 0:22:43.960 --> 0:22:46.840 there being an apparent at times kind of a good 0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:52.399 natured rivalry between uh Mexican dubblers and Spanish dubbers, like 0:22:52.400 --> 0:22:55.600 who's doing who does the best job of providing voiceovers 0:22:55.680 --> 0:22:59.000 for for projects? And uh so, so that was interesting. Well, 0:22:59.040 --> 0:23:00.640