Speaker 1: Hey everyone, I'm a Nissa Ferrara and I'm Devin Simone
Speaker 1: and this is MTV's official Challenge podcast. Today we are
Speaker 1: going to talk about that mini final, the fact that
Speaker 1: we are getting split up into teams, and we are
Speaker 1: going to be joined by Fessel Safa and day Vonn
Speaker 1: for the interview today. Yeah, she's coming. She finally made
Speaker 1: time for us. I saw some yet where she's been gone.
Speaker 1: I don't know where she's been her schedule. We'll see
Speaker 1: which background, she asked today. Yes, we will, we will
Speaker 1: do that. Um this episode. I love seeing a mini final. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you love seeing it. You don't want to do it?
Speaker 1: I sure don't want to do it, Nope, but I
Speaker 1: love seeing it in there. How did it feel watching
Speaker 1: it back in Nissa? I mean they didn't show all
Speaker 1: of the things. At one point, Jordan was rapping to me.
Speaker 1: He loves key Glock and he was just rapping to me,
Speaker 1: and I was keeping my beat with that. We're really
Speaker 1: good as like workhorses, like we would have never put
Speaker 1: down our gurney, which we didn't. We worked really well together,
Speaker 1: but overall, like going into it, you were mad at
Speaker 1: each other. Um, so I just it was a very
Speaker 1: emotional day for me. I love seeing the energy you
Speaker 1: guys had, though, because even when he stepped off, like
Speaker 1: the difference between you and Jordan when he stepped on,
Speaker 1: and I also love the sort of analogy that the
Speaker 1: floor's lava right like that that essentially was that part
Speaker 1: of the daily But when he stepped off, the energy
Speaker 1: you guys had versus Nannie and Bananas right, and the
Speaker 1: dysfunction and communication there, it was cool to see him
Speaker 1: being encouraging and you two and you not quit, which
Speaker 1: is I feel like, what you're known for. And it
Speaker 1: was just kind of fun towards when if I ever quit.
Speaker 1: That's why I just said what you're known for, you
Speaker 1: know what. I literally just said, you don't quit. That's
Speaker 1: what you're known for. And you know what, Thank you.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I heard. Okay, so let's do our time out.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give myself the time out, thank you. I'm
Speaker 1: just give myself the time. I'm gonna sitting time out
Speaker 1: for this one. Thank you. And who gets your gold
Speaker 1: Star of the week. I'm gonna give my goal old
Speaker 1: star to Mariah One. She's never done the show before.
Speaker 1: She is paired up with somebody who who just goes
Speaker 1: and to put herself through, put her body through what
Speaker 1: she put it through. Um takes a lot. And to
Speaker 1: win one of the harder challenges this season, yeah means
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, you know, and a gold star for
Speaker 1: talking talking her shit in her interviews, saying what she
Speaker 1: needed to say. You know, gold star. I agree. I
Speaker 1: agree with that. I'd say time out for this week
Speaker 1: is gonna go to Jordan. I just didn't like the
Speaker 1: way he approached Tori. And I know we only got
Speaker 1: fragments of that conversation, and he is well within his
Speaker 1: rights to mac to whomever. I get it. Well, we
Speaker 1: got in a whole fight before that, we got a
Speaker 1: whole fight fight, I thought, so the whole thing. When
Speaker 1: Tori's outside by the fire, Jordan and the Rees were
Speaker 1: kind of cuddling watching the movie. So I saw it.
Speaker 1: I look at Tory, Tory looks at me. Tori goes outside,
Speaker 1: and we saw it. They made eye contact to Tory,
Speaker 1: goes outside whatever with Devin. I didn't leave yet, but
Speaker 1: when I did go outside, she told me, you know,
Speaker 1: like I'm a little uncomfortable. Did you see what I saw?
Speaker 1: I said, I totally saw that ship and then Jordan
Speaker 1: asked me what happened. I said, I don't feel comfortable
Speaker 1: telling you because Tory's my best friend. Tory wants to
Speaker 1: tell you. That's her story. She will tell you. Well,
Speaker 1: that started a whole fight with him, and I said,
Speaker 1: I have a forty year old woman. I am not
Speaker 1: here to play with your fucking little games and your relationship. Goodbye.
Speaker 1: So the next day we got in a whole fight,
Speaker 1: and before the challenge even started, I didn't even think
Speaker 1: he was gonna perform with me. And then I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I could just sit the fucked I don't even care
Speaker 1: at this point. Get me the fuck away from this man.
Speaker 1: But the minute the horn, like that's the thing with us,
Speaker 1: the minute the whistle goes off, it's like, okay, well
Speaker 1: it's game time, right. I don't like the way that
Speaker 1: Jordan handled it, And I understand he has his own
Speaker 1: feelings and is in rightfully so, but empathy means, and
Speaker 1: especially for someone you cared about so deeply, means at
Speaker 1: least being able to see why bothers him to them
Speaker 1: and being mindful. Empathy is my biggest thing, and he
Speaker 1: was not in that moment, and I just can't imagine
Speaker 1: being in a room, you know, and I don't like
Speaker 1: any of my exes, but still like I just feel
Speaker 1: I just feel for Tori very much so and then
Speaker 1: my gold star. I'd have to say, not to piggyback
Speaker 1: off you, but you brought some very good points about Mariah.
Speaker 1: I think she held her own. She and Bessie made
Speaker 1: this daily look easy. And I know it was not
Speaker 1: by any stretch, but I mean just the way he
Speaker 1: like powered through it. She really did an excellent job.
Speaker 1: And in picking teams, when you're new to this game,
Speaker 1: new to this show, you people in your ear trying
Speaker 1: to tell you one way or not. Like she definitely
Speaker 1: held her own. I give Mariah the gold star. And
Speaker 1: then an honorable mention comes to TJ. He had a
Speaker 1: petty LaBelle moment in which he said, would all the
Speaker 1: losers of this today this week's daily challenge come into
Speaker 1: the zone, which is so shady TJ. But also his
Speaker 1: black zip up. I know some of you have commented
Speaker 1: that you like when I take notice of TJ's attire,
Speaker 1: he looked real fly in the outfit in the daily
Speaker 1: go back and rewatch, I don't know how I feel
Speaker 1: about the lumberjack outfit that was happening down in the zone.
Speaker 1: I don't know, he's really kind of overdoing this sheerling
Speaker 1: collar thing. He did it twice last week, you know.
Speaker 1: But I love the good zipp I'm big on. I mean,
Speaker 1: I come on, Paul Bunyan, come through, TJ Bunny. He
Speaker 1: was Paul. He was Paul in the zone. Um someone
Speaker 1: who is not Paul Bunyan, but it's probably just as strong.
Speaker 1: His personality is very strong and polarizing too. People love
Speaker 1: him or hate him or love to hate him. We
Speaker 1: have him on the podcast today. He is going to
Speaker 1: be talking about what it's like to be arguably the
Speaker 1: Nick Cannon of the challenge, what his headspace is going in,
Speaker 1: how he managed to slay in this challenge daily, and
Speaker 1: how he feels about Anissa now and whether or not
Speaker 1: they are friends. So stay tuned. We have an amazing
Speaker 1: interview with Bessie coming up. Grab a snack, but don't
Speaker 1: go anywhere, you know, do two things at once and
Speaker 1: be right back. Today we have Loverboy, number one athlete,
Speaker 1: our friend, the guy you love to hate. Betsy Well,
Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast. Was waiting for I I want
Speaker 1: to be nice about this. I don't. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to be because you told me not to be mean
Speaker 1: at the end of the episode, which I'm not. So
Speaker 1: I wanted to give you. I've given you so many
Speaker 1: compliments in your life. I think I ran out. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean the whole vote and me end thing I
Speaker 1: really like. I was like, all right, it's it's a million,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean it was. I knew it was
Speaker 1: either me and Mario or Chauncy and Amber. Like when
Speaker 1: we broke it down, I would just like, remember that
Speaker 1: conversation we wanted to have but we couldn't have because
Speaker 1: we only had ten minutes. And I came up. I
Speaker 1: put my pride to the side up to your room, ahire.
Speaker 1: You were getting ready for interrogation because everybody's like, man,
Speaker 1: just go to talk to Anissa. So I was all right,
Speaker 1: and You're like, oh, I ain't got time. I was like, damn.
Speaker 1: I wanted Jordan to be there because I didn't want
Speaker 1: to just say something to you and then him and
Speaker 1: I not beyon want accord. We told you that, But
Speaker 1: that's not what this podcast about. This is about you.
Speaker 1: I mean it can be because I know it's about
Speaker 1: all of it really is also Anissa in your introduction
Speaker 1: you were missing a part I know need. Please welcome
Speaker 1: Nick Cannon JUNR the Nick Cannon of the Challenge Bessie
Speaker 1: Cannon to the show. We're gonna make a mean that
Speaker 1: mean about the repopulation of the world, and it's all
Speaker 1: like Nick's faces with different wigs. I think there should
Speaker 1: be one of Bessie also, certainly in Australia. It sounds
Speaker 1: like you're where you're working to do your part. But um,
Speaker 1: we're so excited to have you, mister Cannon. And I
Speaker 1: got no kids, you know, so I mean I was
Speaker 1: about to ask you you got children, but they do
Speaker 1: call me daddy though. Okay, so before we get into
Speaker 1: because you know, we're going to definitely challenge you as
Speaker 1: because it's need somebody's gonna put your place. But I am,
Speaker 1: first of all shout out on this daily. I always
Speaker 1: think it's super impressive to win the dailies that are
Speaker 1: like essentially the mini finals, and you, guys, by no
Speaker 1: other means, there's no other way to describe it, crushed
Speaker 1: this one. Good job to you, Maria. Can you tell
Speaker 1: us a little bit about you know, once you first
Speaker 1: heard what you had to do kind of what your
Speaker 1: thought process was and what the strategy was throughout each checkpoint,
Speaker 1: you know, to get to the finish line. Yeah. So originally,
Speaker 1: you know, I've said on record that I thought Tory
Speaker 1: and Devin stood the best chance. You know, when we
Speaker 1: were walking up to that minifinal, I was like, I
Speaker 1: thought they were the most well rounded team. Because Mariah
Speaker 1: is really fit and she goes to the gym. She
Speaker 1: has an amazing body. But I didn't know how good
Speaker 1: her cardio was, you know, because it doesn't really do
Speaker 1: that kind of training. So this was a real test,
Speaker 1: and you know, I was really impressed that she didn't
Speaker 1: stop at all. You know, we just had a good pace.
Speaker 1: And I think, like what you saw with Harassio and Olivia,
Speaker 1: I think they were both trying to lead the team,
Speaker 1: whereas I'm saying I was sitting there telling Maria what
Speaker 1: to do, but like she okay. But I did it
Speaker 1: in a respectful way like people love to say, like
Speaker 1: oh he's it, But like you know, I was encouraging her.
Speaker 1: You were very encouraging. I'll give you that. I'm just
Speaker 1: seizing you and you need a leader. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: having a good point, it's two people can't lead a
Speaker 1: team at the same time. Yeah, that was a problem
Speaker 1: with Olivia Rassio. They both thought they had the better
Speaker 1: strategy and input, but that was lack of communication though,
Speaker 1: because we were behind them and then we passed them
Speaker 1: and it was just it was heavy. Man, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna lie that ship was at what point did you
Speaker 1: think you guys were gonna to actually win it? The
Speaker 1: puzzle checkpoint on the first try, I was like, as
Speaker 1: long as we don't stop, we win, I was telling
Speaker 1: him Aria. I was like, all gas, no brakes, We're
Speaker 1: gonna win this ship. Because I knew it was either
Speaker 1: a math or a geography or something that, you know, puzzle.
Speaker 1: I feel pretty comfortable, but like a lot of people
Speaker 1: feel comfortable and they and they shit the bed in it.
Speaker 1: So you know, how did you get it so fast?
Speaker 1: Because everybody seemed baffled that you guys did it? Was
Speaker 1: that literally your only jab, to be honest, the puzzle,
Speaker 1: by the grace of God, because as soon as we
Speaker 1: stacked them all up to see before we even spun them,
Speaker 1: we're like I was like wait, wait, wait, and I
Speaker 1: was like, holy shit. Check and then they weren't even
Speaker 1: the producers and t J wasn't even coming over because
Speaker 1: it was so fast, and I was like double check,
Speaker 1: and I was like, holy shit, I think you know
Speaker 1: they're all there, and they were like okay. So then
Speaker 1: I threw them all down, because that's the number one thing, right,
Speaker 1: when you're in first place, if you want to stay
Speaker 1: in first place, you knock your shit over because I'm
Speaker 1: a look, I'm gonna look, would too. But did you
Speaker 1: get it by accident, Bessie or then, or like? What
Speaker 1: was the strategy behind that? What was the our strategy
Speaker 1: was a stack up the pieces and then start to
Speaker 1: rotate them like everybody else. You know, you're figuring out.
Speaker 1: But as soon as we stacked them up, um, it
Speaker 1: was just your luck. And nobody can say they were
Speaker 1: placed that way because they were all in a bandon.
Speaker 1: We were grabbing them at rank right, so it wasn't
Speaker 1: like it was already lined up for us. You know,
Speaker 1: we just grabbed them and that was one hundred percent luck.
Speaker 1: I ain't even gonna front on that. It just be
Speaker 1: like that sometimes. That's why I tell people, listen, what
Speaker 1: was meant for you? It was meant for you, and
Speaker 1: just like this was meant for you to win that
Speaker 1: it just so happened to be in your favor to
Speaker 1: get that luck that day. So it is what it is.
Speaker 1: But I do want to ask you, because Bessie, you
Speaker 1: have been proven to be like a beast out here
Speaker 1: as a competitor, right and you've proven that time and
Speaker 1: time again. Why do you think you were so hard
Speaker 1: on yourself at the beginning of this episode, Like you
Speaker 1: really were questioning yourself. And it's like, but we didn't
Speaker 1: seen you like hat and that part didn't get shown
Speaker 1: because I was like, you know that that was so sweet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what the people needed to see. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: to be honest, like, it was that point in the game.
Speaker 1: You heard a lot of people's confessionals where it's that midpoint.
Speaker 1: A lot of people have like a significant other at
Speaker 1: that point in the game, you know, or somebody that
Speaker 1: we're getting to know, where as me, you already know
Speaker 1: all mine and went home. So all twelve of them,
Speaker 1: all the relationships have already been established, you know. So
Speaker 1: I was like, he was like, now what am I
Speaker 1: gonna do? It was like I've already I'm not you know,
Speaker 1: it was like you already knew who it was. I
Speaker 1: was done. I was dull over the rest of time.
Speaker 1: So I was going through it and then like you
Speaker 1: you see Harassio, you know he I think me and
Speaker 1: Harassi aren't very similar. We just communicate in different ways.
Speaker 1: So like he's really hard on himself. So you know,
Speaker 1: I've kind of grown to know that you're not gonna
Speaker 1: win all these dailies, and I've accepted that, but it
Speaker 1: is still frustrating when I'm like there's people walking around
Speaker 1: in the game like they like their shit don't stink,
Speaker 1: and I'm like with dog y'all in a lot of things,
Speaker 1: and like people ride the wave on social media and say, well,
Speaker 1: he hasn't want to fine or this, and I'm like
Speaker 1: all these other challengers that have one, they love to
Speaker 1: hype that shit up because it's popular. And I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not dissing y'all, like y'all earn that shit and whatever,
Speaker 1: but everybody knows when it's time to show up to
Speaker 1: a daily or who you want on your team. They're
Speaker 1: not picking a seven time champ. They're picking, you know,
Speaker 1: the guy everybody loves. They Hey, that's just the reality
Speaker 1: of it. Are they really not picking a seven time champ? Though,
Speaker 1: I just I got a lot to say, so, I mean,
Speaker 1: but I mean, but well, just back to that, just
Speaker 1: to that point. Are they really not picking a seven
Speaker 1: time champ? But you said that, like when it comes
Speaker 1: time to the daily, when it comes down to the dailies,
Speaker 1: you know, who are they picking on their team? They're
Speaker 1: not picking a seven time champ. They're picking and obviously
Speaker 1: like if I was team captain, I mean, you're of
Speaker 1: course you're stacked and we'll get on when you were
Speaker 1: team captain because that have a lot of questions about that.
Speaker 1: Very well done, but you know, are people really not
Speaker 1: picking a seven time champ and picking so I feel
Speaker 1: like that's not you know they are. Mariah picked Jordan
Speaker 1: over Johnny. And the only reason Jordan went first because
Speaker 1: I wasn't down there. If I was down there, it
Speaker 1: could have went either way. I mean, Jordan's a fucking
Speaker 1: dog too. But I mean, I mean I put Jordan
Speaker 1: in a seven time He's not seven times chant, but
Speaker 1: in that same category caliber, Like I mean, it's freaking Jordan.
Speaker 1: Jordan's being Johnny and ninety percent of pretty much any Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jordan's a special kind of Kate like he is. He's
Speaker 1: like a I don't know, slightly managed it all. I
Speaker 1: say it all the time, like and he's he I
Speaker 1: talked to him about it is I would I say,
Speaker 1: if you would go back and do it all over
Speaker 1: again to have two hands, would you? And he says no?
Speaker 1: And I was like, it doesn't make sense because that
Speaker 1: probably made him who he is, right right, He's worked
Speaker 1: hard his whole life. I'm the only one give him
Speaker 1: a run for his money. And it's because I got
Speaker 1: two hands. Wait, let me tell you no. Remember when
Speaker 1: you went outside and you ran with him that night? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was y'all ran fever. We were like, these motherfuckers
Speaker 1: are still running. I don't want to be a bitch.
Speaker 1: And you know, I know, it's like a game. He's
Speaker 1: running ahead and I'm following him. He's like he's wanting
Speaker 1: me to stop, and I'm like, fuck it, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: keep going because it's a mental game in there. And
Speaker 1: and that's that's a mental game me and Jordan were
Speaker 1: playing at that point in the game. Because you know,
Speaker 1: do you do you think Jordan helped you to like
Speaker 1: push yourself a little bit more? Um? Well, with the running. Um,
Speaker 1: it's just hard to stay motivated working on your cardio
Speaker 1: when ninety percent of the daily challenges aren't cardio. So
Speaker 1: it's like and to show up is gonna be a
Speaker 1: memory word scramble, and it's like what the fucking running
Speaker 1: around the house all day? You know? But seeing Jordan
Speaker 1: do it, I was like, you know what that, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna hop right behind him because that's the fastest dude
Speaker 1: in't here. If he's running, I'd better be fucking running
Speaker 1: right behind him. FESSI brought his own goggles this season.
Speaker 1: He was ready to play. I tell you all the time,
Speaker 1: anisa like, you're forty now forty one, you can't tell though,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you to come do crazy shit at
Speaker 1: forty one. I'm gonna fucking go, man, I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: that hand and whatever comes with it, because I'm I
Speaker 1: got a chance that million dollars, So if that's right,
Speaker 1: come with it. So as long as you strength to
Speaker 1: do that, you're just battling yourself at that point. Were
Speaker 1: any of you annoyed watching this episode back and seeing
Speaker 1: how Johnny and Nannie were just so comfortable to be
Speaker 1: able to just give up if they were sitting there
Speaker 1: laughing and just like, what do you think made them
Speaker 1: that comfortable? I thought it was hysterical entitlement. Man Like,
Speaker 1: like if you got people wanting to show up and
Speaker 1: bust their house on the show and they're just taking
Speaker 1: it for granted, like it's their twentieth season. Like, I
Speaker 1: know they were never going to get that part, but
Speaker 1: if you weren't gonna I've never seen Yeah, if you
Speaker 1: at a certain they were never going to get it.
Speaker 1: I mean, but see, I felt like there's a contradiction
Speaker 1: then maybe even a little bit of hypocrisy because I
Speaker 1: feel like on this podcast specifically, we would chew out
Speaker 1: anybody else who would have tapped out like that. We
Speaker 1: would have viewed out any I wouldn't if it was
Speaker 1: a final yes, but on a daily absolutely not and
Speaker 1: do it. I've heard yeah, but they couldn't get past
Speaker 1: the puzzle, thank you, And he said they didn't even
Speaker 1: keep trying. That's what I'm saying. It's people that are
Speaker 1: hungry for the wind that even if they need to
Speaker 1: go eat a snack, they need to go eat a snack.
Speaker 1: I think it was totally hilarious that they Cessie, what
Speaker 1: do you say let's say Ansa, you said, but they
Speaker 1: were they knew they were finished. Wasn't there a confessional
Speaker 1: of you and Jordan when you were in last place
Speaker 1: on the barrel saying well, you never know, we could
Speaker 1: catch up to him? And fuck, yeah, yeah I don't.
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I couldn't have done. My championships came from behind.
Speaker 1: So why are they tapping out if they know anything
Speaker 1: could happen? Because I mean, it just screams entitled. But
Speaker 1: are they entitled because they've earned it? Is Bananas entitled
Speaker 1: at that place because he's earned it with his seven rings?
Speaker 1: To me, the difference between entitlement is being new on
Speaker 1: this show, which, to clarify, Davon is my different perspective.
Speaker 1: I think there's a difference there. Right, wouldn't be because
Speaker 1: I'm not a seven time champ, But you know, they're
Speaker 1: still in this game. They still could win it, And
Speaker 1: I think you know, when you got moves like that,
Speaker 1: you can do are good at a lot of things
Speaker 1: in the game. You know, they're good at a lot
Speaker 1: of crafty things. They always got a shot at that.
Speaker 1: Johnny's a very crafty guy and he's in very good
Speaker 1: shape for forty years old, man, Like that guy is
Speaker 1: dedicated to his body and whatever. But at that old
Speaker 1: Europe and I promise you you're gonna care more about
Speaker 1: your health and everything else. I have been credit. I
Speaker 1: do care about that, and I'm like that you're going
Speaker 1: to care more forty years old and like he's in
Speaker 1: really good shape, but like you love to scream seven
Speaker 1: time champion, rubbing in people's faces, and like the mini
Speaker 1: final was, you know, projected to be exactly what the
Speaker 1: final is going to be. And you're not even in
Speaker 1: the top five six now that I agree with that,
Speaker 1: I agree with So I feel like we haven't been
Speaker 1: seeing the showing from Bananas in this season so far
Speaker 1: that we want to see. But as he also said
Speaker 1: in his confessionals, every time he's won, he said, he's
Speaker 1: come from behind essentially. And I think they're still in
Speaker 1: this game. The way it's been structured is really tricky anyway,
Speaker 1: because unless you get first first place, you're basically getting
Speaker 1: last place. They're always still in the game there. I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to like just shit on that team. That's
Speaker 1: a good team, you know, not even Bananas. I always
Speaker 1: have potential to win a day. I'm just saying as
Speaker 1: far as final is concerned, and what it takes endurance wise,
Speaker 1: and just you gotta be a quick thinker man, Like
Speaker 1: we got lucky with that puzzle. But on the geography,
Speaker 1: like I knew all six of those cities. Did you
Speaker 1: have girls in every one of the other cities? Fecies that?
Speaker 1: How you thigured dab Oh, he's such a liar? Did
Speaker 1: you get Bangkok on there? I'm kidding. I knew all
Speaker 1: of those cities. Man. I was bled, like it could
Speaker 1: have been a city I didn't know, and it was
Speaker 1: just it was meant for you. It was meant for you.
Speaker 1: I keep saying it right fast. I have a question,
Speaker 1: did you know or have any idea what was going
Speaker 1: to happen if you won? I thought I was really
Speaker 1: salty that they didn't let us throw in a team
Speaker 1: the most power and every writer or die gets put
Speaker 1: on the same team. I was like, well, me and
Speaker 1: Maria were gonna end up on the same our opposite
Speaker 1: sides regardless. So if anything, it really wasn't that much power.
Speaker 1: If anything, it drove me and Mariah apart because we
Speaker 1: had to make all these decisions. So it was more
Speaker 1: like a fucking Achilles heel than a power. I thought,
Speaker 1: people are lucky that we didn't get to vote in
Speaker 1: a team with that power. Who would it have been?
Speaker 1: Who would it have been? And you would would have
Speaker 1: been on the bullet you know that, and that's fine.
Speaker 1: Were the other two teams that would have been? Or
Speaker 1: what's the other I don't I just knew that if
Speaker 1: we won, we would definitely take Johnny would have been
Speaker 1: in there too. You know what, Bessie, in that moment
Speaker 1: when you found out, or maybe a little bit later
Speaker 1: because it was when you guys were out drinking or
Speaker 1: whatever like that, you kind of turned on Mariah And
Speaker 1: I want to know what brought that about, because it
Speaker 1: was just it was so random. You were just sitting there.
Speaker 1: You were like I and her. It was like a
Speaker 1: real dark moment. And what brought that about? Yeah? I think, Um,
Speaker 1: you know, Maria and I didn't even really talk that
Speaker 1: much in the house, just because we had established before
Speaker 1: we went in the house that like, you could do
Speaker 1: your thing, I'm gonna do my thing, so like we
Speaker 1: communicated that we were grown ups about that. So that
Speaker 1: did help out in the game, you know. But now
Speaker 1: the point where we're having uh, you know, make decisions.
Speaker 1: And I see her in Johnny's room, you know, and
Speaker 1: I know he's in her ear. And then like she's
Speaker 1: kind of being short with me when I'm trying to
Speaker 1: ask her where her ads. I kind of like that
Speaker 1: shit's all real. That's what I was going through in
Speaker 1: the moment, Like I don't try to be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look bad on TV. Like that was how
Speaker 1: I was feeling. Like I brought Mariah um you know,
Speaker 1: the we had only you know, hung out, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe ten times in our life, Like, but I knew her.
Speaker 1: Look at look at Tavon's face. She met like hang
Speaker 1: out Like what I feel like, that's what your brain
Speaker 1: just said. Here it's cold. We go down another rabbit hole.
Speaker 1: I know y'all be fucking talking all day long to
Speaker 1: each other. Let me get we don't actually thought what's
Speaker 1: the next question. I do have a question though, piggybacking
Speaker 1: on what you just said, because you made a statement
Speaker 1: when you was like I brought her here because I
Speaker 1: trusted her. But my question is, like the way you
Speaker 1: said it was almost like I brought you here to
Speaker 1: help me win because I trust you to help me
Speaker 1: win this thing. If I want to know what was
Speaker 1: behind that, like give some clarification because it's going down,
Speaker 1: Like what what did that mean? When we originally we
Speaker 1: thought that we were gonna get to pick the teams. However,
Speaker 1: so I was like, me and Mariah were gonna be
Speaker 1: on the same team. We're gonna stack our team. And
Speaker 1: they was like, no, y'all aren't separate teams. And the
Speaker 1: whole vibe just switched up real quick, like when we're
Speaker 1: going back to the house, Like the first thing she
Speaker 1: said was, oh, I want Jordan or all I knew
Speaker 1: who I want all this like, and I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: Like it kind of just hit me in the face,
Speaker 1: like it's getting real, Like you know, I brought this
Speaker 1: girl thinking me and her gonna you know, ride it
Speaker 1: out together, and now it's like she's trying to stack
Speaker 1: her team, just like I'm trying to stack her team.
Speaker 1: Like they didn't make it a big thing, but that
Speaker 1: whole Jordan thing, like I just let her have it
Speaker 1: because I was like, she's not gonna budge on that,
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to be like at least meet her
Speaker 1: in the middle. But she wanted Jordan so bad, and
Speaker 1: we try to rearrange the shit were you trying to
Speaker 1: meet her in the middle of fancy because we you
Speaker 1: see it, Yeah, because it looked like on both sides
Speaker 1: of that thing in the beginning, all the other Tory
Speaker 1: Devon all that was gonna was gonna fall at the end.
Speaker 1: How it did you know Tory and Demon would picked last,
Speaker 1: not because they're the weakest team, but because they were
Speaker 1: so similar as right, that makes sense, Kenny and a
Speaker 1: Jordan and he was a little more lopsided in people's eyes,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, this is great. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: what what the what the analytics were saying, the analytics,
Speaker 1: you don't play it on Google Analytic. I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, people are fucking saying, she's not watched.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be some challenge where she's gonna come in handy.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna saying, you know for sure, and there's more
Speaker 1: than one challenge and I and elimination, so a niece's fire.
Speaker 1: But that's actually a really good point, Bessie, because I
Speaker 1: was kind of confused when I saw Tori and Devin
Speaker 1: get picked lass, Like, I don't know about you guys,
Speaker 1: but I didn't really see that that wasn't on my
Speaker 1: being go card, but that makes sense is they were
Speaker 1: equally stacked. So at that point, it's kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Jordan and Johnny really bad. And I was like, right,
Speaker 1: there's no way but this one thing, Nelson and ne Reese.
Speaker 1: In my eyes, everybody's like, oh, you're gonna pick Nelson,
Speaker 1: You're gonna I was like, I would take no Resona.
Speaker 1: I was thinking that too, nes because Nelson has a
Speaker 1: fifty two record loss until Nese came in the picture broken,
Speaker 1: so it is now. But I think nes is the
Speaker 1: magic sauce and nothing. Nelson doesn't have like the strength
Speaker 1: he does, but people are sleeping on neres She is
Speaker 1: very smart and his prevent she can go to day.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's sleeping. I think everybody knows exactly
Speaker 1: what she's capable of. H Yeah and Johnny were trying
Speaker 1: to like not Maria and Johnny, but their thought process
Speaker 1: was that I was gonna want Nelson so bad that
Speaker 1: Maria was gonna be able to right Jordan, I was
Speaker 1: gonna go Nelson. Where I was thinking on a game level, Okay,
Speaker 1: I would like to, you know, play with Nelson. He's
Speaker 1: really good, really strong, endurance. But if I don't get him,
Speaker 1: well I have a boy on the other side for
Speaker 1: votes and Neurice, I'll Glade is amazing. Yeah, so that's
Speaker 1: why I went Johnny, And then everybody's like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to squirrel. It was. It was. It was tough,
Speaker 1: and looking back at it, you know, it's kind of
Speaker 1: hard to watch that. You know, it broke down like that,
Speaker 1: But you're forced to make decisions in this game, and
Speaker 1: you know, I try to respect everybody in the game
Speaker 1: and do what I can. But I'm there to play
Speaker 1: the game like you want to win too, So you
Speaker 1: picked the best team that you need to get there.
Speaker 1: So I don't care how the fun I got on
Speaker 1: that team. I'm on a damn team. I don't want
Speaker 1: to That's so off of Nelson though, Yeah, that's my
Speaker 1: question about and I haven't questioned on Nelson's. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so before we get into this, let's take a quick
Speaker 1: break and then I want all the tea. Nelson did
Speaker 1: something huge in the last episode right where he decided
Speaker 1: to save you over his woman at the time. Right
Speaker 1: the Twitter streets are saying that it was a very
Speaker 1: terrible move on his behalf right, that's what the Twitter
Speaker 1: streets are saying, and the Twitter very much alive. Okay,
Speaker 1: so they're saying that, you know, it was a very
Speaker 1: bad move for him not taking a shot at you
Speaker 1: and basically returning the favor for what you did to
Speaker 1: him right the eye for an eye situation. Now that's
Speaker 1: what I'm I want you to. I want you to.
Speaker 1: This is a moment where I want you to stand
Speaker 1: up for your boy. So this is okay, Okay, I'll
Speaker 1: stand up for Nelson. Nelson did. Like I'm grateful that
Speaker 1: he didn't throw me in Like if I was in
Speaker 1: that position, I would probably be looking to get my
Speaker 1: lick back too, you know. So I don't blame for
Speaker 1: what people say, but I think Nelson's a very logical
Speaker 1: person and he knows that in the game after that move,
Speaker 1: like we could talk about the reason for the move,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. That's history. I'm saying the events that
Speaker 1: happened after that move. You know, we did two seasons
Speaker 1: together where I won two early on on spies eyes
Speaker 1: and allies kept him safe, you know, and then I
Speaker 1: want two here early on and kept him safe. So
Speaker 1: he knew that I was an asset to his game.
Speaker 1: And now I'm not trying to overshadow our friendship because
Speaker 1: you know, we we do hang out a lot after
Speaker 1: I went against him in the hall brawl, just because
Speaker 1: we hang out with a lot of castmates throughout this,
Speaker 1: you know, we we do a reunions, appearances all that,
Speaker 1: and me and Nelson are always the one ducked off
Speaker 1: in the corner hanging out because you know, we just
Speaker 1: we just have always vibed together. I guess you know,
Speaker 1: we've always just been very similar. And I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't want to say like minded, because we think very
Speaker 1: differently sometimes, I don't you know, but um, you know
Speaker 1: that's my boy. I said save your boy. I said
Speaker 1: save your boy. Listen, don't be trying to rouse you
Speaker 1: were supposed to be saving him right now, fasty You
Speaker 1: talk about you save him because it's because it's so
Speaker 1: there are so many people whom I'm Old Davin would
Speaker 1: have threw your ass in here too. But New Davion,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to turn New leave be a better person.
Speaker 1: So I understand why he was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: let me do something different. I get that, But how
Speaker 1: how what would you have done? That's what I tell
Speaker 1: the trust COLI was down there, or a girl that
Speaker 1: you had real feelings for, or that girl in Sydney.
Speaker 1: Why Sydney, y'all. Y'all, y'all are so contradictory. No, we're
Speaker 1: just asking you what you would have done if you
Speaker 1: were Nelson and you picked the safe and a girl
Speaker 1: that you were with was down there. I voted in
Speaker 1: Colleen and Annalise to save a Nissa and Jordan because
Speaker 1: it was either going to be Annalise and Tommy or
Speaker 1: you and Jordan. They didn't show that clip. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'll put Annalyis and Colleen the girls, the two prettiest
Speaker 1: girls in now, So I'm gonna vote in yes and
Speaker 1: your friends Yes exactly, because I'm kind of a Girls
Speaker 1: Before Host type of chick in my head. If I know,
Speaker 1: I'm not no dummy, If I know, if Nelson's really
Speaker 1: trying to get his lick back, then if I win
Speaker 1: the daily challenge before him, which I did, I want
Speaker 1: a daily challenge before him. You know he felt comfortable.
Speaker 1: So like I'm just speaking on a game level, Like
Speaker 1: you know, I know I'm not here to justify my
Speaker 1: friendship to Davon or Twitter streets, like that's between me
Speaker 1: and Nelson. Like, y'all it's a competition show, and y'all
Speaker 1: love to talk about the drama, but the reality is,
Speaker 1: like I mean, because it's a reality TV competition show,
Speaker 1: so that means there is a double love competition. I
Speaker 1: have another question, speaking of logical decisions, Fessie, I want
Speaker 1: to know if at any point, because you kind of
Speaker 1: like alluded to this earlier, but I want to know
Speaker 1: if at any point when you were picking the teams,
Speaker 1: did you consider maybe doing the strategy because it looked
Speaker 1: like I could be wrong, but I feel like in
Speaker 1: the episode you and Nelson or like it came up
Speaker 1: for a second. But did at any point you think
Speaker 1: about splitting up from Nelson so that you would have
Speaker 1: a boy on the other side, you know, like a
Speaker 1: friend kind of on the other team and you guys
Speaker 1: could look out for each other. Was that ever, you know,
Speaker 1: like a part of your strategy or did you just say, hey, no,
Speaker 1: if I have my preference, I want to be on
Speaker 1: the same team as Nelson. Um, you know for me,
Speaker 1: like you heard the clip of Nelson or when he
Speaker 1: was like it's all about getting to the final and
Speaker 1: you saw my face where I was kind of like
Speaker 1: it was because like everybody always says that, and it's
Speaker 1: you got to win the dailies. In my head, a
Speaker 1: lot of people like to float by, but my objective
Speaker 1: is always to try to win the dailies, make decisions,
Speaker 1: keep me safe, and get threats that are against me
Speaker 1: out of the game. So what I just got so paranoid.
Speaker 1: I guess we were in that place so long. When
Speaker 1: TJ said, you want to make sure you win the
Speaker 1: daily challenges, I was like, you know what, what's important
Speaker 1: now is to win the daily challenges. So I'm going
Speaker 1: to try to build the best team I can to
Speaker 1: where we're versatile enough we have a pretty good shot
Speaker 1: because you can't win at all. You know, Jordan's a
Speaker 1: beast and he excels at a lot of things, but
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's not going to be a one
Speaker 1: man show, you know, So that's not what the challenges.
Speaker 1: So no, when you're picking your teams, also, were you
Speaker 1: sort of strategizing of like and I think sometimes we
Speaker 1: see this with the pairs, you know, like the brains
Speaker 1: of the team maybe or like the braun of the team,
Speaker 1: and then you have a few people that are you know,
Speaker 1: well versed, and then you have a few people who
Speaker 1: maybe are the endurance kings or queens right of like
Speaker 1: a team. So when you're picking your people, did you
Speaker 1: in your mind try to categorize, like, okay, if I
Speaker 1: want three smart people, you know, like the puzzle winners
Speaker 1: or whatever, and like the three really strong or was
Speaker 1: it just kind of like a gut instinct. It really
Speaker 1: just came down to those first couple picks, because, like
Speaker 1: I said, there was a lot of pairs that were
Speaker 1: equal you know in challenge statistic wise, you know, whichever
Speaker 1: team they ended up. So there was like four or
Speaker 1: five teams like that, you know, Olivia and Harassio. I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, Harassio is very good at a
Speaker 1: lot of things. But Olivia impressed me a lot too,
Speaker 1: because I was like, okay, Harassio was good, but you know,
Speaker 1: if I have to compete against them, I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1: I'd rather get a strong female in Olivia. You know,
Speaker 1: she's proven herself. Like I was impressed with Olivia som
Speaker 1: Sanatorian devon. So that was kind of logic. As far
Speaker 1: as breaking it down, it was really the who was
Speaker 1: gonna get where was Johnny Nelson gonna go because of
Speaker 1: the whole Is Mariah gonna be able to get Johnny
Speaker 1: and Jordan on the same team? And I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just felt really I didn't know,
Speaker 1: you know, where Banana stood so much. I knew he
Speaker 1: was you know, Lloyd and Mariah, but with me and him,
Speaker 1: you know, we were very cordial in the house, no beef,
Speaker 1: but it's not like we were buddy buddy. You know,
Speaker 1: I didn't know what was going on in his head. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I don't know what I have. This is one thing
Speaker 1: I thought about on the stage when we all got picked,
Speaker 1: and you know, we don't know what's going to happen
Speaker 1: or how things are going to break down elimination wise.
Speaker 1: Did you ever think for one second, because I know
Speaker 1: I did the minute they said there were teams that
Speaker 1: the way that eliminations would go, like, if I do
Speaker 1: pick my friends, I may have to go against them
Speaker 1: because that would have been my biggest That would have
Speaker 1: been my biggest concern, because you put, I was on
Speaker 1: a team with Tori and Casey and Olivia, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to go against none of those bitches.
Speaker 1: But we don't know the rules yet. You brought this
Speaker 1: up on the show when we're in deliberation one time,
Speaker 1: and that to me is a loser's mentality. You're playing
Speaker 1: to lose. What if we lose and then have to go?
Speaker 1: TJ said, play to win the challenges, So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: build it to win the challenges and then if that,
Speaker 1: I like to look at all sides we can win together.
Speaker 1: Short were but that's that's a big fancy mentality. Is
Speaker 1: just a look, if I got to go and get
Speaker 1: you freeand it is what it is, I'm here to
Speaker 1: right and we would have had to do that. But
Speaker 1: I'm just saying like there, play to win. Sure, that's
Speaker 1: one part of strategy, but also prepare yourself. That's another
Speaker 1: part of being strategic. So I'm just saying, like, did
Speaker 1: you think about that? Or you were just like, who's
Speaker 1: going to help me win? You know? The thing was
Speaker 1: there was a lot of people's game that was going
Speaker 1: to be affected by this one move. You know who
Speaker 1: you know, so but for me, it was like me
Speaker 1: and Maria one we got to to make this decision.
Speaker 1: So I wasn't really worried of the backfire that, oh
Speaker 1: if this person ended up that man this, I was like,
Speaker 1: that's not my problem. I won. I'm in power. You know,
Speaker 1: it's all about what is going to be best for
Speaker 1: Marian and Ice game moving forward, and then my individual
Speaker 1: game on my team. I'm only asking because, like, the
Speaker 1: one thing that we don't get to do when we're
Speaker 1: on the show together, there's so many people like we
Speaker 1: don't get to really see the thought process. So there's
Speaker 1: the only reason why I'm asking. It's just I get
Speaker 1: I'm reassessed to how people's brains work when it comes
Speaker 1: to like they how they see the challenge working out
Speaker 1: for them, how they see themselves winning it. It's just interesting,
Speaker 1: that's all. Yeah. So are you more of a in
Speaker 1: the moment player, Betsy or what can I do about tomorrow? Um? Well,
Speaker 1: the way I play the challenge is, you know, I
Speaker 1: take every day one day at a time. I try
Speaker 1: to if I lose a challenge, try not to dwell
Speaker 1: on it too much. And whatever's gonna happen is gonna happen.
Speaker 1: You can't control things in that game. It's all about
Speaker 1: how you react. So you know, I kind of have
Speaker 1: this like it is what it is attitude, and they're Like,
Speaker 1: with that being said, I still show up and in
Speaker 1: order for you to beat me, you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: go one hundred percent and be better than me. So
Speaker 1: that's my mindset. Like, and I try to respect everybody
Speaker 1: in the process, like I don't. I don't walk around
Speaker 1: but little anybody in the house or anything. But you know,
Speaker 1: when they ask me how I feel about competing, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna it's a reality show, and I try to be
Speaker 1: real on there. And they just don't like it because
Speaker 1: a lot of people played a victim on the show
Speaker 1: because they know they're not gonna win these challenges, so
Speaker 1: they have to make up for it in their confessional
Speaker 1: SOB story. I feel like there's a lot of feelings
Speaker 1: about them. I don't like names. You feel like give
Speaker 1: some SOB stories in their confessionals. I'm curious, who are
Speaker 1: we playing this violin for fifty? Who's the thing? Is? Like,
Speaker 1: you could talk about your losses all day long. Man,
Speaker 1: I've lost a million times on the show too, So
Speaker 1: it's like I just focus on all right, that's in
Speaker 1: the past. Now, let me go out and try to
Speaker 1: win the next one. And I'm gonna do everything I
Speaker 1: can to win the next one. You know, I treat
Speaker 1: it like I'm not gonna get another call back like
Speaker 1: this is. I treated like big Brother, like I'm playing
Speaker 1: to win this one. A lot of people like I
Speaker 1: got I'm trying to get the screen time. In the
Speaker 1: confessional account, I'm like, if I'm on the show and
Speaker 1: winning these challenges, the national cow's gonna come, They're gonna
Speaker 1: be talking about not worried about that shit man. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that's I don't know why people are worried about that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff about screen time. It's weird. See it
Speaker 1: time end time again. There's always the same winners. I
Speaker 1: mean a lot of there's a lot of athletes that
Speaker 1: come on the show, but their social game like they
Speaker 1: get out right away. Turbo Gone Week two, Kels two
Speaker 1: years ago, Gone Week two, It takes Kells was done
Speaker 1: dirty though Kells was done dirt out game got out
Speaker 1: double dirt. I came up to him at the nightclub
Speaker 1: when I wanted to take challenge and I was talking
Speaker 1: about working with them possible. He's like, Oh, you think
Speaker 1: because you're in power, you're just gonna come over in
Speaker 1: big man me. You don't have the house votes and
Speaker 1: Esther is not gonna say my name, so you can't
Speaker 1: get it done. I was like that house vote, gone
Speaker 1: put that against him in a puzzle. Get your ass
Speaker 1: out of here, out game. You should have won the
Speaker 1: second challenge. You didn't. I want it. You got out game,
Speaker 1: sob story my ass. You play as much thought into
Speaker 1: that as you did that love note from the Double Agents,
Speaker 1: those love notes you were leaving at the end, FEESSI,
Speaker 1: it ain't all me as emmy Devin a pull man.
Speaker 1: I cannot, I cannot me be in a sweetheart. Okay,
Speaker 1: so wait, wait, okay. Any of your people that you
Speaker 1: were like cuddling with throughout the season, do you still
Speaker 1: cuddle with them present day? No? I don't. I'm not.
Speaker 1: Who are you cuddling with right now? Whose dms are
Speaker 1: you in, FESSI? What country are they? Someone in your
Speaker 1: bed right now? Who's feeder? That she? Puerto Rican? Puerto Rican? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and she ain't on a show. That's the best part.
Speaker 1: That's really the way best part for you. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: is good, FESSI. But but when you are on the show,
Speaker 1: both now and potentially in the future, I want to
Speaker 1: how are you gonna go back to doing the FESSI
Speaker 1: cannon thing or can you be loyal? Fessy Shuffle my
Speaker 1: first show, I went on the challenge. I had a girlfriend,
Speaker 1: and you could ask anybody on that show. I didn't
Speaker 1: even cross the line whatsoever with anybody. And NISA's making
Speaker 1: a face, she's puckering a little bit, Anisa, what does
Speaker 1: that mean? I wasn't their chalse. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: wasn't there either, you guy, ask any girl on there
Speaker 1: because there was multiple interested in. Oh, I forgot about that. Yes,
Speaker 1: you're right. Actually I don't know. I don't know who
Speaker 1: was interested. I was just told to crack the egg,
Speaker 1: and the egg was very hard to crack. It was
Speaker 1: very hard to even make friends with this man. But
Speaker 1: we became I thought friends. Are you guys friends now?
Speaker 1: Bes seeing a Nissah, Yeah, I'm not talking about him
Speaker 1: on camera. I don't got no beef an we got.
Speaker 1: We've been on vacation together, like you, I love you. Oh,
Speaker 1: but we didn't go just because we're friends. We didn't
Speaker 1: go in there with set plan. Hey, I don't care,
Speaker 1: Come on, don't be saying we went on vacation When
Speaker 1: I'm like, but you You and Mariah wanted to put
Speaker 1: us in the first time when you won, but it didn't.
Speaker 1: So it's always love, it's always right. The game is
Speaker 1: so different because I know you. I know you can
Speaker 1: hold your own fecy in any situation. A lot of
Speaker 1: people aren't going to beat you, and I tried to
Speaker 1: put you in the best situation I could, considering the
Speaker 1: game got down to a lot of very good people.
Speaker 1: I know this podcast interview is about fancy, but I
Speaker 1: do have a question about the Tory and Jordan situation
Speaker 1: because it was hot, yeah, and I want to know opinions.
Speaker 1: And I know that's your best friend and Hetha, but
Speaker 1: I still want to know your opinion as opinions, who
Speaker 1: do you think was right in the situation? And who
Speaker 1: do you think was wrong? I don't right and wrong is?
Speaker 1: I think are weird. I don't know if the terms
Speaker 1: are right. I think maybe had they discussed, like maybe
Speaker 1: had a little discussion. I don't know. I just feel
Speaker 1: like it's a really weird environment to do that in.
Speaker 1: So it's hard to like harbor emotions and have them
Speaker 1: at bay and act like everything is okay when you
Speaker 1: really feel something. It's I think it's just a weird
Speaker 1: environment to explore being with and without someone and then
Speaker 1: seeing them with somebody else. I think it's just very unnatural,
Speaker 1: like you're never gonna have that. Do you guys think
Speaker 1: I could see both sides too, Jordan was doing it
Speaker 1: on purpose? Do you think Jordan was doing it on purpose?
Speaker 1: I mean I think he could have. I think he
Speaker 1: could have gone without it. Betsy, what do you think? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know. The thing is I can't speak on their
Speaker 1: relationship because I know they dated for a long time
Speaker 1: where a lot of you know, these challenge relationships are
Speaker 1: just flings or whatever, So like, I know they have
Speaker 1: a lot of history. But I think what really red
Speaker 1: shirt with me when Jordan said, oh, the Tory Show,
Speaker 1: Because it's like, I get it, she has her emotions
Speaker 1: and whatever, but Jordan still has feelings and stuff too
Speaker 1: that he's going through. So it's like when he said,
Speaker 1: if she's emotional, I have to be sad, or she's sad,
Speaker 1: I have to be sad. Like that, Really, you know,
Speaker 1: red shirt with me because I'm like, I get it,
Speaker 1: But I can't speak on on that because I don't
Speaker 1: know how deep that gets. Um that to me though,
Speaker 1: that's called empathy As a viewer, it to me, it
Speaker 1: was really infuriating because I think, look, yes they're both single,
Speaker 1: and Jordan has every right to move on, for sure,
Speaker 1: but kind of like a Lisa said, it's like, did
Speaker 1: he really need it? We know the odds of challenge
Speaker 1: flings like happening. It's not like that's potentially his soulmate.
Speaker 1: Let's be real. And also, and when the minute Tory
Speaker 1: said we were in bed together cuddling whatever, I was
Speaker 1: naked here, you didn't have any of those conversations, then
Speaker 1: to me, it is a respect thing, like and it
Speaker 1: was just an unnecessary level of like of re almost
Speaker 1: like just re hurting someone. And then his whole idea
Speaker 1: of like if she's upset, have to be upset. It's
Speaker 1: not that you have to be upset. But empathy is
Speaker 1: literally saying, you know what, I see your point, like,
Speaker 1: let me not do this in front of a room
Speaker 1: full of everybody, you know what I mean, Like, let
Speaker 1: me not make, in the words of Maxwell from Love
Speaker 1: and Basketball, make a fool out of you. And so
Speaker 1: I feel like that part just wasn't It just wasn't
Speaker 1: cool at all, And I felt so bad for Tory.
Speaker 1: Jordan's wealth and his right to move on. I think
Speaker 1: it was on purpose. Let me tell you why. When
Speaker 1: they was in there having the argument the Momentory said,
Speaker 1: it's not easy watching your ex make out with somebody
Speaker 1: else the first thing. Jordan said, Oh, that's how you feel.
Speaker 1: It's not easy to watch, And I'm like, oh, you hurt?
Speaker 1: You like shooting a dagger back At the minute he
Speaker 1: said it, I was like, oh, so, you know, I
Speaker 1: felt like un Bertha. Maybe it was a scheme that
Speaker 1: Todd set up, like it just felt like real bad.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's not that's not good. That's not
Speaker 1: a good look at all. I do think, you know,
Speaker 1: they have an attraction to each other, him and the Reds,
Speaker 1: But I definitely think that that was intentional. I think
Speaker 1: he was trying to like show her how he felt
Speaker 1: because maybe throughout their conversations maybe he never got that
Speaker 1: she never really understands how hurt I am about this situation.
Speaker 1: So maybe it was one of those I'm gonna make
Speaker 1: you feel it so you can really understand. And it
Speaker 1: kind of backfired on him. Teletoxic, Hella toxic and the
Speaker 1: Rees should remove herself from that just it's not a
Speaker 1: good look around. Well, we will see in episodes to
Speaker 1: um whether or not she does remove herself. Bessie, you
Speaker 1: remember that time you were on the Challenge Aftermath and
Speaker 1: you were sneaking Michelle into your hotel room and you
Speaker 1: guys are trying to deny it, and you were sitting
Speaker 1: on the couch together. Nah, I just thought of that
Speaker 1: was fun. I didn't sneak into her thing you brought her, No,
Speaker 1: But like you guys were canoodling, but it was you
Speaker 1: were trying to keep it secret on the aftermath. Remember
Speaker 1: you were sitting next to each other. People can go
Speaker 1: watch it. It's weird because there was two aftermaths and
Speaker 1: there was two different things happening. You're saying two different women.
Speaker 1: Is that what them now hearing? What was the question?
Speaker 1: I forgot the questions I would never get in a
Speaker 1: feud with. You know, some I think, like the Jordan
Speaker 1: and Toory thing I can't speak of, but like with
Speaker 1: the Nurice thing, I think, you know, people you get
Speaker 1: lonely in that house. There's a lot of downtime and
Speaker 1: like kind of know who's single, who's feeling somebody whatever,
Speaker 1: So there's only so many options. M And as far
Speaker 1: as me, like you know, it kind of is what
Speaker 1: it is. Well, it didn't work out for a reason,
Speaker 1: Like I will respect everyone, like as far as the
Speaker 1: game goes, I don't. I'm not gonna be sitting there
Speaker 1: jealous over you know, a girl that I've had someone
Speaker 1: in the past, trying to get to know somebody knew,
Speaker 1: you know, like it didn't work out. I'm gonna sit
Speaker 1: here and hold your hostage like some guys. Dude, that's
Speaker 1: just you see more of like a step back type
Speaker 1: person like, oh okay, well go figure that out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, if it's working out, it's working out, And
Speaker 1: like if it's on me, if I know I'm lacking,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try my best to make up in this
Speaker 1: situation to make it right. But if it's like she's
Speaker 1: not showing an effort or she thinks she's gonna try
Speaker 1: to like ghost me and I'm gonna come chase, and
Speaker 1: then we're just gonna be we'll never speak again, you know, Like,
Speaker 1: if you're not gonna put in that like effort, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna I'm not gonna pursue a girl that wants
Speaker 1: to be chased and isn't showing interest back. So now
Speaker 1: that you and your partner have detached. Are you still
Speaker 1: going to be looking out for her, being as you
Speaker 1: are the one who brought her here? Are you still
Speaker 1: going to be looking out for her? Good question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm never gonna vote her in for sure. Are
Speaker 1: you gonna be looking out for her making sure that
Speaker 1: others don't vote her in his will? Would you think
Speaker 1: you'll knick out for her like that? To be honest, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would like to say I'm trying to have her
Speaker 1: back in the game, but I'm not the type to
Speaker 1: like politic like that, Like I kind of play the
Speaker 1: game like I'm not trying to like just avoid the situation.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to, like they like, answer it honestly, like
Speaker 1: you know, now that we are separated, I am trying
Speaker 1: to do what's best for my team to help us
Speaker 1: win a daily challenge. But if it come down to
Speaker 1: that at this point in the game, I for sure
Speaker 1: like I'm trying to make sure she sticks around because
Speaker 1: once she's done phenomenal with me, since she's been in
Speaker 1: the game, and so she has earned her right to
Speaker 1: be here, and on a game level, that's a person
Speaker 1: I would like to think on another team that wouldn't
Speaker 1: say my name either. So yeah, but as far as
Speaker 1: I've never been the type, you know that it's kind
Speaker 1: of like I guess the big brother in me to
Speaker 1: where it's kind of like you can only say so
Speaker 1: many people like a boat. So it's like, I've never
Speaker 1: been the type to tell people to save me, let
Speaker 1: alone say somebody else. So if I'm being honest, that's
Speaker 1: kind how I play the games, Bessie, you talked about
Speaker 1: with like Harassio and Olivia there being like the way
Speaker 1: that they didn't work in that particular daily was because
Speaker 1: it was two people trying to like lead, right, and
Speaker 1: that one person really needed to lead on your team
Speaker 1: now as it stand, so obviously you're the team captain
Speaker 1: because you picked the team and you're a natural born leader.
Speaker 1: Who would you pick on your team to be your
Speaker 1: co captain? Like stepping back and looking at all the
Speaker 1: people that are on your team without revealing any spoilers, like,
Speaker 1: who else would you trust at this point to be
Speaker 1: your co captain of the team? I like? I mean,
Speaker 1: the thing with Johnny is he's so vocal and he's
Speaker 1: got so opinionated with his ideas that he just instinctively
Speaker 1: just becomes you know the voice of the team. So
Speaker 1: and I'm not the type of person to be like, hey, no,
Speaker 1: I'm the captain. You look like, you know, like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be a team player and let everybody talk. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, if I feel like this strategy
Speaker 1: is best, I'm gonna voice my opinion as well. Make
Speaker 1: sure it's heard, because now my ass is online with
Speaker 1: this team. Yeah, and then we'll go from there. You know,
Speaker 1: we'll wear our options. You know, if a player has
Speaker 1: to go twice, which player gives us the best chance,
Speaker 1: you know, at winning. I think I'm still the person
Speaker 1: going in every time for that. But as far as voice,
Speaker 1: I think everybody, you know, I think we had a
Speaker 1: well balanced team. I think that's what I was trying
Speaker 1: to accomplish. You know, you have a Nissan and Tori
Speaker 1: and Casey on the female side, which have you know,
Speaker 1: so much experience? Absolutely, because like that that was my
Speaker 1: thought process. I wanted to pick strong females for my team.
Speaker 1: I thought that gave us the best chance because I
Speaker 1: think in these challenges, dailies, in the final, it's not
Speaker 1: who the strongest may is like having a strong male helps,
Speaker 1: but it's who the most well rounded female is That's
Speaker 1: that's who's gonna win it in a partnership is who
Speaker 1: has the best female, the most endurance, and hopefully she
Speaker 1: could help out with some of the menstal games, you know,
Speaker 1: the puzzles, no stuff like that, because thema get you
Speaker 1: every time. I agree, Bessie, you've been such a team
Speaker 1: player and we've given you so much flak that you
Speaker 1: deserve m But is there anything else if we were
Speaker 1: to give you just thirty seconds of your voice of
Speaker 1: what Bessel wants to put out into the world, whether
Speaker 1: it be something that you feel people don't know about you,
Speaker 1: that maybe is misunderstood about you, UM, some secret about
Speaker 1: that girl whose DMS you're in, that's Puerto Rican, whatever
Speaker 1: it is, what would be the floor is yours? What
Speaker 1: is the thirty seconds that you know Bessie wants to
Speaker 1: tell the world more love, less hate? Look at you see,
Speaker 1: we're not gonna buy that book. What I was want
Speaker 1: to say? He really would say, I mean, I thought
Speaker 1: it was a cute pin. I would say, I would leave,
Speaker 1: I would leave the listeners with this. Just understand, in
Speaker 1: this game, there's rookies and there's vets, but everybody has
Speaker 1: their own story and their own life and stuff they're
Speaker 1: coming from. So you only see the little fifteen second
Speaker 1: confessional about their opinion on the situation, and just know
Speaker 1: they got their whole life going on, you know, back home.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, everybody's like, oh, they're a rookie. Well
Speaker 1: they're a rookie in this game. They're not a rank
Speaker 1: in life, you know, right, So I guess just understand
Speaker 1: that everybody has their own story to tell and not
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna be. You don't got to compare everybody. You
Speaker 1: don't gotta be who's next, Who's the next banana? Like?
Speaker 1: You know, you don't have to compare everybody. I know
Speaker 1: the social media loves to compare, but that's true. All
Speaker 1: words of wisdom from Bessie. Oh look, some good does
Speaker 1: come out of you. We love when that happens. Don't
Speaker 1: give me that look, Bessie out. We are gonna play
Speaker 1: little game because you know we love a good game.
Speaker 1: You've learned this podcast and Aftermaths and all. This game
Speaker 1: specifically for the challenge Rider dies Um is one about
Speaker 1: how well you know your ride or Die. So we
Speaker 1: have three questions for you about Maria and uh, it's
Speaker 1: your time to prove how much you know, and don't
Speaker 1: shut your phone down, right, Yeah, I text her Maria
Speaker 1: alert my Wi Fi going out. I'm gonna be honest,
Speaker 1: you know, Aliance. Okay, so question number one. Now we
Speaker 1: know that you're a geography expert, right, where is Mariah's
Speaker 1: hometown Chicago? That is not the answer that we have, that,
Speaker 1: ain't it. That's where our family lives though, that's where
Speaker 1: her family lives, or that's where her hometown is, That's
Speaker 1: where she's from, That's where she grew up. Okay, I
Speaker 1: know this answer. Where she grew up. She grew up
Speaker 1: in um Semi Florida. Okay, we'll take that. Good job,
Speaker 1: good job we had Orlando kissime is Orland is like
Speaker 1: basically there, so yes, good job, good job MESSI I
Speaker 1: thought it was a true question. Okay, you're always on
Speaker 1: the defense. Why are you so worried we're not coming in?
Speaker 1: A gamer? He's a gamer man. The moment you realize
Speaker 1: that Bessy like me, we get real paranoid very easily.
Speaker 1: It's that big brother shit. I swear to God to
Speaker 1: look like no chump man. I played an except I
Speaker 1: played a whip. I don't set myself up in any scenario. Ever,
Speaker 1: I can not just be authentically. You know about the
Speaker 1: gotcha me, but I'm being on it right now. Tell
Speaker 1: you how I feel? Yeah, okay, uh Nissa, do you
Speaker 1: want to take question number two? Sure we know Mariah
Speaker 1: loves her family and her dogs. But her family, how
Speaker 1: many younger siblings does she have? Younger or total? Both?
Speaker 1: To the math? Ain't math and her total siblings the
Speaker 1: right answer? You texted her about this? I mean I
Speaker 1: don't have her phone number. I don't think so. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: so you got questions one, you got one right. Further,
Speaker 1: notice mariah total siblings, I think it's seven three living
Speaker 1: Orlando or something at the rest of it. But does
Speaker 1: she are we including her in this like total children
Speaker 1: in the family are seven? See I didn't break down
Speaker 1: the math. Well what we could ask her later, but
Speaker 1: we can give myself a half a point for now.
Speaker 1: We're not giving you points here. You get yeah, right,
Speaker 1: you get a point for the first answer, you get,
Speaker 1: not a for number two. Now number three, this is
Speaker 1: the real question. Okay, this is for all the points, Bessie.
Speaker 1: If you want to come on top as a winner, right,
Speaker 1: you said you hold yourself to that standard. Then I'm
Speaker 1: gonna need you to give the most accurate answer of
Speaker 1: this question in depth. In depth, it is an essay question.
Speaker 1: Go back to SATs Okay, here we go. Why do
Speaker 1: you think your partner Maria likes bananas? All right, that's
Speaker 1: that's the question. Why do you think Mariah likes bananas?
Speaker 1: What is it? What is it that you have not seen?
Speaker 1: The good question? So, I mean Mariah has gone on
Speaker 1: record saying bananas isn't usually her type whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: she goes for taller guys or whatever. But in the
Speaker 1: Challenge House, I think you spend so much time with
Speaker 1: each other, you get to know each other, and their
Speaker 1: personalities just match up more than what she's attracted to,
Speaker 1: you know, like bananas is the guy who's gonna dress
Speaker 1: up in the thong and be goofy and do stupid
Speaker 1: shit like that, and like I forgot, Maria usually attracted
Speaker 1: to that. But that's kind of how Mariah is. She's
Speaker 1: that goofy, always talking whatever. So I think the fact
Speaker 1: that they clicked on that level is what makes it.
Speaker 1: Because Maria is like a energizer bunny. She got a
Speaker 1: mouthpiece on her. She'll talk for days, and so will Johnny.
Speaker 1: So I think that's do with it, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: I also wondered just my theory on this is, do
Speaker 1: you think it's because, so, you know, of your team,
Speaker 1: you were kind of the leader of the two of you,
Speaker 1: and Ryan is very smart and obviously very capable. She
Speaker 1: proved that in this daily and throughout the season. But
Speaker 1: it seems like there's a certain part of her a
Speaker 1: that's just very compassionate, Like I love the way she
Speaker 1: spoke to you when you were being vulnerable with us,
Speaker 1: But she looks to you as a leader, and Bananas,
Speaker 1: you know, old or not, arguably is a has that
Speaker 1: leader quality about him and is like, you know, can
Speaker 1: be smart and talk a lot and all of that.
Speaker 1: And so I wonder if that's also part of the draw,
Speaker 1: aside from the goofiness, like when we saw her him
Speaker 1: advising her around team picking and all that. The way
Speaker 1: Banana spits game is, you know, he's I've noticed, like,
Speaker 1: you know, he's a he's a decent looking human being.
Speaker 1: You know, he's in shape whatever, But you know, he's
Speaker 1: like five eight, so he's always excelled with his mouthpiece.
Speaker 1: I think so five nine, Okay, sorry, five nine. So
Speaker 1: I think the way he spits game is he just
Speaker 1: puts it all out there on the table, all the jokes,
Speaker 1: all the whatever, and sees what sticks and shows his
Speaker 1: whole personality whatever, whereas someone like me or I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe Harassi or Jordan are kind of more reserve, laid back,
Speaker 1: chill and bananas a Devin. They're gonna tell you every
Speaker 1: funny story they have from you know that. That's just
Speaker 1: their their style of game, and it works. You know,
Speaker 1: if you can make a girl laugh, you could make
Speaker 1: her do a lot of things. And heard it here
Speaker 1: Frozen folks, Yes you've heard it here first on that note, uh, Bessie.
Speaker 1: If a girl wants to if you want to make
Speaker 1: a girl laughing, she wants to follow you on social media,
Speaker 1: where can she find you? Clearly not Twitter, man, Screw Twitter,
Speaker 1: y'all be hayting elan to mess it up anyway, Davin, Sorry,
Speaker 1: I used to try and support you on that girl,
Speaker 1: but I can't know if I can, if I can,
Speaker 1: be honest, I ain't been on Twitter and about a month,
Speaker 1: so you see, you know it? Are you serious to
Speaker 1: talk all this shit about Twitter? Like you know what?
Speaker 1: Because I used to really be on Twitter, but it's
Speaker 1: not what it. It cracked up to me that one
Speaker 1: used to be exactly on Twitter. After next week's episode,
Speaker 1: I'll I'll talk some shit. Oh, here we go? Where
Speaker 1: can they find you? For? See Bessie Fitness on Instagram,
Speaker 1: Twitter TikTok all that okay? And um, are your dams open?
Speaker 1: If people just want to slide in there? Or how
Speaker 1: does that work? Is there a line or like a
Speaker 1: wait list? Nah? I ain't trying to hear it, to
Speaker 1: be honest, I don't heard at all. I know that's right.
Speaker 1: Shut the dough because he found himself a little mommy,
Speaker 1: a little spand mommy, you know what I'm saying. Okay,
Speaker 1: And that concludes this interview. That's been great. Thank you
Speaker 1: a k A. Nick Cannon. It was a pleasure having
Speaker 1: you here. Uh and yes, it has been such a
Speaker 1: wonderful interview. Appreciate you. Let me get some words in Bathassy, Well,
Speaker 1: that was a wonderful interview with Bessel. Uh. Yeah, gotta
Speaker 1: we got to see his personality up and close. If
Speaker 1: anybody wants to see you guys up and close, where
Speaker 1: can they find you? Let's start with you Davon. Where
Speaker 1: can they find you on social media? At home? Or
Speaker 1: you can find me on Instagram at Davion Diane Underscore.
Speaker 1: That's where I'm at right now, Anisa where they can
Speaker 1: find you? A. They can find me at Anissa MTV
Speaker 1: on Instagram A and e sa MTV. That's the only place.
Speaker 1: Thank you? And wow, did you notice Yvon just throw
Speaker 1: out the window? On Twitter and YouTube wild you can
Speaker 1: find me all My website, devinsmone dot com has all
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